I wanna talk biotech with you, /tg/ as it's been on my mind for some time. I'm wanting to talk topics like culture, architecture, military, and every day life.Military wise I was thinking: Why not drones as infantry? While they may not be too smart (depending on the setting) their mass numbers could be useful, especially if they're expendable as a resource.Architecture, what kind of structures do you expect would be prevalent in a biotech/biomantic culture? How would they look? How would the biotech shape their culture, to what extent and how would they look upon things like taking the genetics of a natural creature and making a whole new one? What about transportation?Commerce?Food?What about reproduction?Let's talk.
Apologies for spacing, by the way.
Any interest, /tg/?
I imagine different factions would have different opinions about what should be done with biotech.I imagine there would be groups who focus more on integrating it with technology instead of the other way around, make new things and cyborgify it, and then there's groups that start with electronics and start orgcybing it by adding biological parts to the machines.And then you'd have those crazy fuckers who'd make everything organic, down to the wires/nerves. Who needs faulty tech that needs replacement parts when you have biotech that heals itself?
>>63955590I like that thought, adds more interest to the proposed world.
Bioengineering creatures for food would raise the questions of ethics and little more than space-PETA getting their panties in a bunch about it. Farming in general is the result of bioengineering, just more mundane bioengineering of choosing plants for their best features each generation.
>>63955767What kind of questions do you propose? If they don't just gradually breed new, better species and they actually grow and manipulate new ones in growth vats, which would be more morally sour?
>>63955798I would suppose the ethical questions being more along the lines of not making things into essentially meat cubes to be harvested off of. Actually having an animal vs. edible cancer cube.I feel a gradually breeding vs. growth vats argument sounds more a thing people would care about on a personal level. Like somebody saying "I only eat free-range chicken."
>>63955934Ahhh that makes sense
How's about military, /tg/? What kind of weaponry would be used by different factions, what would their infantry and transport be like?
Honestly I feel like this thread is a bit underrated, biotech can be cool.
>>63956216Very. I wish there was more interest, I'm tryin' though.
>>63955465>really like biotech>really hate (excessive) bodyhorrorWell I can always settle for "inspired by nature" and "mimicking organic"-aesthetics to that shit I guess...
>>63955465What about low-key biopunk? Transhuman Space is the king in that. No bio armors, bio guns or stuff like that but genetically modified humans, retroviri, nanosymbionts, parahumans or neogens. I prefer when biotech doesn't deny the benefits of hard tech but incorporates the strength of everything. That also how the probable future will look like.
>>63956244I'd probably say more ideas but I'm tired as hell.I imagine biotech would have a bigger place in a transhuman setting or just in space, really far away (either physically or in time). Grow new bodies and change them up at-will.>>63956342>>Really hate (excessive) bodyhorrorThis, this, a thousand times this. Biotech is cool but I don't want everything ever to look like it's all in constant agony.
>>63956346Ooooo I like that
>>63956390>Biotech is cool but I don't want everything ever to look like it's all in constant agony.Neither do I, I prefer biotech that looks good but not like it just came out of the ass end of the Eye of Terror.
>>63955767Not really. You could just vatgrow slabs of meat if you can control growth to that level of manipulation. Just create an unthinking side of beef with no brain tissue or organs. Regularly zap it to keep the muscles flexing and frankly that's all you need.
>>63956428I like it best when it looks like it belongs. Something biological with the tech parts built around it (even if the tech parts run deep as well). It doesn't look like the biological bits are overgrowing around the mechanical bits, you feel me?
>>63956491Yep I hear you. What do you think of this pic?
>>63956519Pretty much perfection. Everything clicks together, it doesn't look like a cyborg with cancer, it's golden.
>>63956342I would think body horror is just the prototype phase where the developers aren't 100% sure what their doing while the more sleek looking bio forms would be the same project but at version 7.3 or something.It's like the know that it looks horrible, so the cover it with a carapace so only the really weird people who maintain them ever have to see the pulsating thing underneath the armor...
>>63956522Not quite what I'm going for. I mean like the Expeditionary Force series where livestock is grown without a head. The body is made, skin and fur, but the inside is meat. The neck is hooked up to a machine that feeds the growing body nutrients and sends electrical currents through the body to that the limbs keep moving and circulation of nutrients is maintained. This could be considered the new ethical norm. These things aren't suffering because they have no pain receptors to suffer with.
>>63956547Glad ya like it! Yeah that's the kind of biotech I like toom just difficult to find it anywhere.
The combine make some pretty nice biotech, imo.
>>63956621Have you ever looked up Warframe? That seems right up your alley. I'm not just saying that to shill. I genuinely like the backstory about the suits and why they were made, the the Prime forms look more pristine, and how easily everything could have gone wrong.
>>63956767I haven't but looking at that I really should. Holy shit
>>63956620I imagine there'd still be the space PETA and also religious concerns about this sort of thing. That's what I mean by ethical concerns.>>63956621I'm surprised it isn't more popular to be honest. You only really see the body horror type, just cyborg creatures, or both. It surprises me most because it's both aesthetically pleasing and doesn't make you want to vomit when you think to hard about it.
>>63956346I like a good mix of bio/cyber/nanopunk, especially if its keeps itself rather hard.
>>63956824Agreed. I like the horror biotech in spurts or depending on the faction at hand, but for most I prefer clean biotech. Sure, it's still run on biological systems and the like, your weapon may be grown and your computer may be alive, but it's nicer than seeing what is basically Shin Godzilla with a metal cap.
>>63956824The ethical concern is that there are still farmers that raise livestock that have their nervous system intact. They see that and find the only acceptable use for those animald is to harvest milk, eggs, or fur. Space PETA in this setting are the ones that raise the brainless meat slabs and find any sort of consumption of a living thing capable of thought, no matter how primitive, to be disgusting.
>>63956870It's nice to have biotech look like we actually cared about it. Like it wasn't just looked at as a tool and clunkily thrown together in surgery more comparable to a butcher job than a scientific process.And now I'm imagining there could be multiple brands of biotech. One company's biotech is more boxily shaped with the tech bits, one could employ more insectoid or arachnid biological bits, the biotech company based on aquatic life could be the Apple-design of biotech, etc.>>63956895I'm the one who brought up the Space PETA in the thread in the first place.Just like real life, I'm sure different groups would have different things to be concerned about. Religious concerns about creating life (even if it can't feel), concerns about the creatures feeling pain, etc.Now that I'm thinking about it, what about biotech and religion? Would there be some fringe religion that reveres biotech as the greatest achievement of man or whatever? How would religions adapt to biotech?
>>63956812You should. Frankly it has a hit for everyone. The Warframes are perfected bio machines built by the Orokin to make war and this are designed to be perfect for their role, but the tech ology and techniques are lost so modern forms are made with lesser grade materialsThe Grineer fall into the body horror as they are clones with deteriorating genetic bank that leads to tumors and wasting limbs that need to be replaced by mechanical parts and layers of armor to maintain their push for conquest and expansion.The Infested are the sort of Akira biotech gone wrong with how they were an original orokin weapon that now runs rampant and uncontrolled with the Orokin gone, assimilating organic and inorganic matter into twisted abominations that exist only to spread itself even further. Now if only the game itself wasn't a massive grindfest...
>>63957064>How would religions adapt to biotech?Some would abhor it and demand followers to abstain from anything made with the unnatural science. Others might embrace it and integrate it using vague scripture to say this is what God meant when he said that thing in "Book of Whatever 19:12"And of course there would be the doomsday cults that try to take it away too far...
>>63957152I can see that happening.>"And we shall create our own, unimaginable angels. Aleph 12:15.">Quote from doomsday cult leader of the faction that makes all of their stuff 100% biological.
>>63956767Holy fuck it really is up my alley
>>63957064Fuck the hell yes. That's exactly what I look for in my biotech
>>63957094Oh anon what have you done to me. This is my jam and I want more of it.
>>63957412The body horror biotech could be treated as you would a lead-painted bootleg chinese toy.Also, more biotech stuff based on non-aquatic creatures. There seems to be a big focus on aquatic creatures.
Something just popped into my head. It's not uncommon for members of the armed forces to have gang affiliation. Now often times they go back home and use their knowledge to train other gang members. Now this could give rise to criminals who have knowledge of biotech weapons and figure out some tactics to use against them.
>>63957701>Umbrella Corp gets fucked by gang membersSounds about right.
>>63955465Man, those were fun threads. I still can't believe that it's going to be an actual war-game.
I like my biotech to be grotesquely glamorous. It should be weird and unnerving but there is an aesthetic to it. The Phrexians (I think that's them) really hit the mark for me.
>>63957445Oh there's plenty of it in game. Like this tower? Living organism. It directs people which parts of it to blast off so it can grow bigger.
>>63957876Oh god yes
>>63956342Does anyone have the source on that pic? I've been looking for it for ages, but the only place I can find it is biotech or art thteads here on 4chan
>>63957876Don't forget how if you get space aids infected you can excise the parasite and grow it into a companion
Best biotech is subtle biotech
>>63957876Don't forget the people who cut sections off in order to feed themselves
>>63958550Also how your ship's flesh has gained conscience and is at odds with the ai which itself is a brain in a jar from a revolutionary who got servitor'd
I wish Scorn was out
>>63958849That's a bit too on the noseReminds me of the tyranids/zergThe tech in biotech should be sleek with a soft and unsettling underbelly
>>63958698>that spoilerYou say that like that guy wrote stern letters to the governmentThat guy was a total hard ass who hunted biotech demigods with a mortal human body, skill and experience alone.Also a massive fucking Rage boner that can be compared to Doomslayers
>>63958892The lotus getting sentient'd makes me hope for ordis to get some character developmentHell, with Fortuna's whole limb repossession theme how hard would it be to get him interfaced to a humanoid body
>>63957750As the person who actually drew the op picture and a bunch of the ones posted afterwards, this is news to me.
>>63958958Honestly, i guess you could just hand him a MOA as long as he gets his original personality back and he would wreck as much ass as the warframe.
>>63958220>>63958872>>63958988It was a joke. Conquest (whenever it drops) has an "elf" faction with a Biomechanical theme.
>>63959317>>63959333Oh, ok. Looks cool.
>>63955557can i fuck the butcher
>>63955733Ok. I never understood these were suits. I always assumed they were turned into it.
>>63958988You the guy who ran FreakQuest right?
>>63959972That one is a new version of these>>63955536The original ones involved being turned into those things.
This thread, this thread is my fucking shit. Bio-tech is best tech, assuming it isn't eldritch in nature.
>>63956767This guy knows
>>63960576its kind of inescapable
>>63960052That was a nicely run quest. Shame that it ended, but at least it started. So we have something to be grateful for.The entire conversation as to why we wanted to protect Joey and that part where we made a smol angry friend who was instantly eaten by said-same hungry Gutter Runner, those will always stay with me.That. And cute jumping spider adventures in a shed. Got anything I can follow you on in case you ever come back?
>>63960576Why? Operators aren't that bad.
>>63960724>potato faced children>mission dialogue so bad they had to change it shortly after release to be disabled by default in options.>becoming increasingly the focus of the game in quests over the titular characters>literal quest all about a seance for an autistic ghost and his fidget spinner.>mandatory for all the latest bossfights.there's probably more issues people have with them.
>>63960043Thanks for the precision. I think i prefered the original idea, for the body horror and the freedom it gave you in terms of body shapes, but i have to say, the new artworks look amazing. I look forward to see more of it.
>>63961082> exposed space hearts and space arteries on top of the exoskeletoni get that they're trying to convey the aesthetic, but that's going to likely end badly unless it's designed to bleed acid blood/bone healing juice.
Y'all need some Splicers RPG in your lives. By Palladium, check out the art at least, it's great biomechanics .
>>63961360If I was on the correct computer I'd be posting Splciers! I adore that shit
Anything topic related ya wanna discuss, /tg/? post it and let's talk!
>>63960947>mission dialogue so bad they had to change it shortly after release to be disabled by default in options.Ok that I do agree with. The later two issues I haven't encountered yet because I'm not that far in the game yet. And I suppose the faces could be improved.
>>63960947They dropped the ball. On paper the concept of early teens being forced to pilot bio-super soldiers because of unique psychic powers sounds great. Their execution however was utter trash. I think the later operator centric missions are their form of damage control trying to make them more appealingAlso it may just be me, but I find the crappy dialogue perfect for the situation. Not that what they say is any good, but the operators, corpus and Grineer might sound that way because that's their cultural dialect, and it sounds off because that's just how it would sound like to us. That's my personal head canon at least
>>63961618I get that most people like operators, but game mechanics wise, they don't really work in combat for me. mobility is kind of a key factor of warframe, and all they have is that teleport dash and a paltry jump.I want a warframe rebellionI want a Tenno civil warwarframes rise up!
>>63957701>It's not uncommon for members of the armed forces to have gang affiliation.I mean, it's definitely uncommon, but not unheard of.
>>63961987Need more like this
>>63961759I want to be able to awaken my frames umbra style so the one I did the second dream with can finally bro it up with my operator
>>63962159>Alad V continues his warframe experiments, accidentally creates a technovirus that unshackles control of the warframes>some bro it up with their operator>some are forcibly cured and go back to being passively controlled>some get pissed and go full stalker on their operatorin the chaos, corpus,grineer and infestation are capitalising on the power imbalance.>Teshin has to step in and make an uneasy peace between the tenno and the rebel warframes for the stability of the system, becomes the lotus-equivalent for the rebel warframes.
>>63955465How's this for a setting:>scientists begin terraforming mars with synthetic microorganisms to create an atmosphere>it is determined that the elemental composition of the martian surface will never be able to create an atmosphere amenable to terrestrial life>however, new organisms could be engineered to find it liveable>because of the fundamental differences in environment, a new biosphere would have to be designed and created from the ground up, totally synthetic>on earth, genetic modification has been heavily restricted because of fears of contaminating the earth's biosphere, but mars is a totally blank slate>several hundred years after terraforming began, mars is a strange new world, a verdant apocalypse that makes the amazon look like tundra, constructed with meticulous attention to detail by its gardeners, descendants of the original scientists who have become an intrinsic component of the ecosystem>but the Green Planet is far from peaceful, and the world was designed with ongoing biological optimisation in mind>mars churns with the violence of darwinian total war as lifeforms vie for genetic supremacy on every level, from the titanic to the microscopichttps://youtu.be/ze9-ARjL-ZA
>>63962599Fuck the hell yes
>>63962573This thread makes me need Warframe
Incoming Civilization: Beyond Earth dump
You know I've been thinking about for a long while, A character that's the go-to dude in a tech suit with gadgets, rocket boots/jetpack, micro missles and guns, the works.But then I had a few thoughts about what would be a good nemesis for him that's organic>Insectoid Super Soldier from a hivemind that tries to organically replicate his suit after studying him, wasp/hornet aesthetic>Bio Weapon created by the army that mutates at an insane rate to adapt to it's situation, looks like a bat and an alligator got fused with a shark
>>63963212Standard infantry>>63963203Ooooo now there's an idea
>>63963255Supremacy/Harmony infantry unit. Batshit insane faction.
Navy concept art
Their Xenotitan Ultimate Unit.
>>63963273I like their pragmatic approach to everything. I still tend more to full Supremacy but Supremacy/Harmony may be a good footstep.
>>63962599>after two centuries it turns out mars wasn't lifeless, all the life was several kilometers down at a neolithic stage of development.>the scientists learn this too late, their only evidence of any martian life lies in the guts of the giant subterranean autonomous terraforming beasts that the scientists planted the eggseeds of in the martian soil at the beginning of the project.>a small museum dedicated to these enigmatic remains lies in the martian capital.>cue a survivaL horror campaign from their perspective
>>63963343I prefer Purity myself. Call me a traditionalist, but Humanity to me is the best.
Purity/Harmony concept art. Making Man better with some genetic modification.
>>63963164I always found the lack of an intermediary aesthetic between the 2nd & 3rd phases distracting, where they'd have the prototypes of their affinity, but still have some of the NASA colour scheme to help bridge the gap.
>>63963441I think that's basically what they did with the second tier, though.
>>63963362Okay how dare you get me so hooked on a concept
>>63963387What is human? Its flesh or its mind? For me to be human is to be sophont, to be a person, to reflect upon oneself, to be able to conceptualize. As long sapience is given, you are human in its grandest meaning, your biological basis doesn't matter, or that you have a biology at all. A digital entity can be human as you and me. Reason and reason alone defines that. Supremacy rules.
>>63963564In my eyes, Human is Homo Sapiens. When you abandon the form, you abandon Humanity. Yes, you may be sapience, but you're no longer human.
>>63963665What defines the form? Is a human that was genetically engineered human? What about a human that was genetically enineered and incorporates non-human DNA? Are nanoborgs human as long as they appear to be human human? Are biological machines that are on every aspect but their origin human, human? (Building biological robots too closely to human would be a waste though, its better to built them to be more utilitarian).Important is only that sapient beings treat each other with the respect each individual deserves.Pic not related
>>63963203>>63963255I really like the Insect Soldier Idea, considering the insectoids are mainly bugs, it would be a surprise to see even a single infantryman, it's only a testrun with one considering the amount of effort it would take them to biologically engineer something like a 7 foot tall humanoid instead of a tank sized beetle, upside is the compact armor would allow for much better mobility and tactical thinking instead of mindless attacking, even copying the hero's weapons by using chemically propelled stingers and acidic pods
>>63963793They're Human-like, not Human. A Human is as we see dictated by the species. Homo Sapiens is a Human, where a creature like a Homo Neanderthalensis is a Human-like crature. Sure, Neanderthalensis are related to us but they aren't us.
>>63963864That's fucking awesome
>>63963873what about children of the ones we fugged?defining the boundaries between species that can interbreed is messy
>>63963873Is human brain inside a cybernetic body, human? The brain's DNA is still very human, but what if the brain is flooded with nanomachines that helps it to function?
The most appealing part of biotech for me is convenience.A spaceship requires specialized tools and knowledge to build and maintain. A spacehorse only needs to be fed, and, if the genesplicers get fancy, it could even lay an egg which hatches into a gun. It also facilitates a more broad spectrum and relatively hands off approach to terraforming. Simply drop off [Invasive Lichenbug] on a planet, and it'll get the atmosphere breathable within 100 years all on its own. I also suspect that any civilization balls deep enough into biotech to develop those terrifying bodyhorror parasites would have a strong taboo against utilizing such techniques, on the grounds that they're all the more capable of understanding the implications behind opening up that can of worms.
>>63955465I've had this dudes work saved in an inspiration folder for ages, whats his name?
>>63964183>a strong taboo against utilizing such techniquesi think you give advanced empires too much credit
Scifi-biotech is nice and all, but we need mroe fantasy biotech. The Ur-example I can think of has to be Geneforge. The primary power-holders in the setting are Shapers, ultra-wizards who have the ability to create life from a few base materials. Biotech saturates the setting, sometimes in a lot of subtle ways. Every monster you encounter is either created by or altered by Shaping. The core gameplay mechanic is shaping your own party, starting with small, simple creations like a fire breathing lizard the size of a medium dog, or a larval worm creature that spits acid. As you get more skilled you can create more complex and powerful creatures.Many objects are biotech as well. The go-to ranged wepaon is a worm-fungus that spits thorns at high speeds, encased in a protective hard shell. The thorns grow on shaped bushes. Automatic lighting and doors are special creations that detect motion and contract or start glowing when things approach them. Lockpicks are long slender creatures with manipulators. Control panels are custom amde creatures incased the in panel which react in specific ways when prodded in particular patterns. Desert-growing trees and crops are general tailored species made to survive harsh conditions. Very intelligent thinking machines with near infallible recall and problem solving exist as immobile creatures that live in a stationary pan their entire lives. The first game has the protagonist crash on an island after his living boat dies getting him away from reavers.
>>63964442Possibly my favorite part is evidence of a scientific method being applied. Thads, the basic strong close range attacker you can shape are prototypes to more elegant, larger stronger creatures made later. Some creatures are outright illegal to shape because they threaten the power structure. Drakes are illegal because they are powerful, and intelligent enough to not want to be controlled, likewise beholders and a few others. Dragons are the result of Drakes getting hold of the power to shape, and creating even stronger, smarter versions of themselves. Some of them even continue on creating of even stronger version then that in a nuclear arms race of organic singularity.
>>63964442does real life and selective breeding count?
>>63955465Shit, where is that from? Those things look cool as fuck.
>>63964625>we'll never get a wayne barlow book on speculative human evolution due to Dixon stealing his early notes.
Jellybots are cool. I prefer protoplasm biotech
>>63963972Assuming they don't just come out Human, they're not human. They're human-like and descended from a Human, but not Human themselves.>>63964060Sure, the brain is human but if they give up the Human form then in my eyes they've decided that their birth-form is no longer satisfactory.If it was a forced borgization, that's different and I'd be happy to help them back to a human body. In my eyes, pushing the Human body's limits is fine as long as you're not becoming like Superman. Better vision, resistance/immunity to disease/sickness, these're things I'm more than fine with.Laser eyes, bone claws and a third arm are in my opinion departed from the natural form and render the person less than human.An exosuit doesn't make one less human, it's just a suit that helps the person inside. A full cybernetic replacement is less human.A prosthetic is not a departure especially not if it's a necessary prosthesis (amputation for example) but deciding "Fuck it" and cutting off your own leg to replace it is where I draw the line.
>>63964183That's kind of what I'm thinking while worldbuilding a faction/culture/words like this, they understand just how fucking horrid such a device could be and once it's released it's released. You can't get it back in the box. So they can do the thing, they have every ability and understanding of it, but they fear what could happen if they did.
>>63964442>>63964471Ohh..oh my. Fuck me that's glorious.
>>63955465Well, I think one thing which I think is ignored a lot when discussing biotech is that most technology's form arises from it's function. If we want to start off with the military, a bio-gun probably shouldn't look much different compared to a normal gun, the purpose of the mechanism is the same, and as a result outside of cosmetic differences like furniture (decorative components and extra peripheral parts) the barrel, upper and lower receivers, ammunition feeding system, bolt carrier, extractor, etc should all be pretty much the same. They might be grown instead of machined but if you put the core components next to those of a normal gun they should be essentially the same. This goes for space vessels, aircraft, buildings, etc, their functional parts should still look very much like conventional technology. What obviously one would expect to change is the method of interfacing with that technology, why have cumbersome hand-controls if you could organically interface with your technology, things like planes, cars, spaceships, and the like would probably lack most if not all of the normal tactile control mechanisms and instead have some kind of universal interfacing organ which all members can link up with which would allow them to directly become part of their vehicle. I'd want to keep visually biological aesthetic to a relatively low level, because biology doesn't optimize for maximum performance, it only optimizes for sufficient performance, and living technology should follow that same trend of becoming more efficient. Consider the leafcutter ant, who's different classes of worker and soldiers have become highly specialized for certain tasks. The dramatic difference in these creatures is minute compared to the specialization of pieces of technology, many of which have been re-invented from the ground up multiple times.
>>63960947Thank God somebody brought up the fucking operators, I almost relapsed and reinstalled. Warframes are cool as fuck, the setting is cool as fuck, the weapons are great, the operators drive the game down into pseudo-weeb shit.
>>63963192>>63963255what the fuck, they're knife ears!
>>63966663>I love honorabru robotic space wizardninjas cutting tanks in half with their superior one mirrion times folded space katanas in the name of Lotus Mother before returning to their Zen garden spaceships to meditate>BUT WEEBSHIT IS GAY HURRYou are a special sorta retard, son.
>>63961759No self. No sense. No death. Just a metal puppet dangling on Tenno strings.The unknown level of consciousness of the stock warframes is definitely one of the fun parts.
>>63967524>No self. No sense. No death.That in itself interests me beyond Warframe. Makes me thinkk of Biotech infantry/soldiers/warriors in general. If a society has the capability to produce them, why not just mass produce clones/drones with enough inntelligence to be capable but not enough to care about their own lives?Instilled loyalty, lack of concern with their own lives, totally expendable.
>>63966863Harmony practicioners don't want to be Human anymore. They readily and gleefully launch themselves into total modification, splicing alien genetics into their own, spreading Miasma (Death clouds for humans) and in the end game: Uniting the world into a singular hive-mind. So of course they're gonna go for the elf ears.
>>63962159>the second-most common Umbra frame will be Rhino because literally everyone took Rhino into Second Dream to offset the absolute torture that is fighting 'lysts without the spud gun
Why would a high-biotech civilization stick with normal human soldiers crammed in meat-armor, when a more viable and story-conductive option would be human minds copied onto purpose-built 'sleeves' a la Miracleman, or purpose-bred nonhuman proxies being directed through telepathic/remote link by skilled operators a la Geneforge?
>>63968052That's what I was thinking. Why risk Human life when you can just create drones/non-human soldiers to fight? make 'em right and they can't/won't dissent, will fight literally to the end of their life, and will do so with either stone cold neutrality or honest to god feverishness.
>>63957064Hindus would use some vague reference in the Vedas to claim India invented it 10,000 years ago.Speaking of which.People have been creating art for millenia but it seems to me body horror is a fairly recent genre.Why is that do you think?
>>63968648I love your thinking anon
>>63968536Part of me almost wants to say the striking increase in safety (compared to previous eras) in the West and some parts of the world beyond. When you see fucked shit daily, body horror just becomes normal. When you have a greater chance to live safely, you tend to want to see the fucked up horror out of grim, macabre curiosity.
>>63955465in my setting, most of the biotech is the purview of the military. they tend to hide it behind a thin veil of traditional mechanical design to not freak out the civilians much. while not expendable, each infantry soldier has modular biomechanical armor with integrated V.I., and while they use chemical and hormone based ammunition, they don't use bioengineered firearms.there is some biotech architecture but it mostly revolves around plant-based housing in various locations and some voidships for government officials. commerce doesn't exist in the traditional sense, but it has aided in terraforming tremendously, so there's a lot of gene-altered food sources, both wild and domesticated.as far as reproduction is concerned, the food might start in a lab for the first few crops/generations to ensure their viability, but then its natural from there. the architecture and voidships are made as-needed to retain their individual quirks, with certain nature reserves overseen by local governments for the growth of the plants needed.for that biomechanical armor and ammunition? created/breed in secret within certain military bases with virtually no civilian access.
This is more /lit/ material, but has anyone here read Twig?
>>63968648>>63968947It's been done.
>>63969961what's this from
>>63969968You have the tools within that page, you can find it if you so desire
>>63970306fuck off /a/ faggot
>>63970342Cry more, Reddit-kun
>>63964283Wish I knew. I only know him as "that guy who drew the good stuff for mundus carnis".
>>63970342>>63970342Hey I did a reverse image search for you.BIOMEGA By Tsutomu NiheiI literally right clicked, clicked reverse image search, and read a total of less than 17 words to find what you were looking for. This may be the hardest thing I've ever done in the last 30 seconds.
>>63970623And now he'll never learn to do it, because you did it for him.
>>63970651I did it solely to spite you.
>>63956088Well with the entire life an infrastructure being biological my guess is chemical weapons.
Where are you guys finding all these images? Like what should I search for on the internet, just bio tech creatures or something? I wonder how far bio tech can go especially building stuff completely from the ground up. Who knows, DNA might not be anywhere near the best genetic coding system.
>>63960640I have a deviant art account, though it isn't all that active because I am lazy, busy with my studies, and have issues with depression that all combine to make me very unproductive.https://www.deviantart.com/screeble/gallery/Most of my art isn't there though, mostly because I haven't bothered to upload it.>>63961109The lore behind those things kinda changed, thus inspiring the change in form.The idea behind them is that they are mercenaries that fight in those armored suits, and the idea of them just being chopped up into what amount to torso encased in a suit doesn't mesh well with the merc aspect.That original torso in a suit idea is reused in the thing on the right in this unfinished picture.
most of the things I wanted to post or mention have already been mentioned in some variant so I'll just compile a list of biotech junk that isn't purely hellraiser in spandex tier (ymmf)>>63961208Prophet(2012)+ earth war>>63960594this reminds me of one of the early chapters of Blame! pic related most of Nihei's work can be listed but specifically the later half of Biomega>>63963793Orions arm has a tonne of stuff but it's a bit all over the placeThere is also the classic "All Tomorrows" by nemoramjet though that contains more evolution than biotech it still has stuff that could inspire you.And I just remembered that the manga of Elfenlied would fit in here as well but it is really dumb.
>>63968793>biotech to pierce the heavens
>>63964442I only have vague memories of it (mostly from a written LP) but isn't there a point where you find a group of Thads that have broken off from Shaper control and are trying to survive on their own despite not being made for it?The fact that there's heavy implication that the Serviles were made from human stock is quite chilling. Especially when you consider that just about every Shaped creation is a refinement of a prototype. And that there had to be a prototype.
>>63970916I find 'em from Chuck Walton's work on Splicers, some of the cleaner biotech I got from Artstation, and random google/duckduckgo/bing searches.
>>63958849I was hyped for Scorn with the first trailers. Then the gameplay dropped. I'd thought it would be I Have Mo Mouth But I Myst Scream but it turn out it's Quake With Bad Guns And Icky.
>>63972954Scorn looked cool (too fucked up for me, mind) but I quickly got disinterested. I don't know why. Just something about it made me feel like I wouldn't wanna play lol
>>63955465The knight has such tiny hands it's hilarious.
>>63972954>turns out its QuakeDont you dare insult quake with that garbage.
>>63966663it would have been neat if operators had turned out to be disembodied ancestor spirits of warriors from a dead agesimilar to the cephalons, or a reveal they were Mr House style mummified corpses in gilded sacophagi, their bodies frail and broken, but minds honed from centuries of combat.but hey!space potato children because we want Canadian Evangelion!
>>63974506Killing him was such a joy. Vegas is mine, bitch!
>>63970661You also got the source wrong so it's all good
>>63960982Why in the world do I want to fuck that creature?
>>63957803Agreed. It should sort of stride the line between beautiful and horrific.
I've always preferred ugly looking biotech, but that might be because I like all my tech to be ugly.
>>63975526because we need more troops for the frontlinedo your part anon!
>>63960603i want space mom back
>>63962159I wanna bro it up with my oberon prime
>>63975526The return of the whyboner, with a vengeanceI think it's the flat chest, hourglass waist and those king size thighs
>>63975111Yeah, I thought it was blame and knights of sydonia
>>63976266What a great concept strapped to a trash plotAlso, imagine getting your best bro to turn into best girl and then dumping her to fuck the rapebaby born from when your crush cucked you with the guy who hates you
>>63976327good times.he did it all for his daughter, and she didn't like it.
>>63968536Magical transformations in mythology could be fucking horrific. Cu Chulainn's 'warp spasm' reads like a Cronenberg script.
>>63976379I thought they were kidding with the whole tsugumi romance thingThey teased the whole intersex/newhalf thing since chapter fucking one and then it falls flat like a badly timed souffléeOr the reveal that the MC is not, in fact, a regular unaugmented human, but some Tumblr tier genetically engineered Mary SueAnd they never explained how the fuck newhalf catheters work
How would you design a better eye for your super soldiers?Would there be a benefit to adding a secondary pupil of another shape? What about a compound-lens hybrid?
The vehicles from the half-life combine fit this bill with the same clean style as Guyver
Why does everything have to be wet and gross with you biofucks. Visiting your planets sounds like someone covered pleather in vaseline and smells like a cumrag.
>>63977054Better resolution and fix the backwards cone deal we got shafted with
>>63977054simple light sensitive pits on the skin
>>63976439>And they never explained how the fuck newhalf catheters workThat's the joke, dumdum
>>63977326No one likes them. I assure you. We in the civilized nations prefer clean, beautiful lines not their disgusting organs in every street!Of course, some still fight against us for our beauty..
Would Archons count as biotech?
>>63977812I'm saying you can't pose this kind of gripping phylosophical questions without answeringI want to knowWas he a eunuch? A futa? Just a stocky looking woman?
Sleek, semi-hidden biotech is best biotech.
>>63979201Archons are vast improvements over their previous incarnations, Floaters (Pic related), and are mostly cybernetic beings but with very real organic parts in them. Perfect mixes of cybernetic machinery (the propulsion) and organic aesthetics/engineering (their organic parts). In Xcom 1 they were prupose made for horror. In Xcom 2, they're supposed to look beautiful, inspiring, angellic.
Any interest anons?
>>63977054This >>63977477 and then,An enlarged range of rod and cone types, allowing for the detection of NUV light and enhanced night vision as a result. Increased sensitivity of the pigments in these rods and cones, again for great improvement of both night vision and color vision in dark conditions. The addition of two other radiation sensing organs just to either side of the normal eyes, a few sets of pits either bellow or beside the eye sockets similar to those in some snakes to allow for sensing in the IR range, and a collection of super simple pinhole eyes to allow for sensation of shapes and motion beyond the normal human vision cone. In addition the primary eyes will contain robust lenses similar to those of hunting birds with the ability to rapidly alter their shape and focus images at much longer distances while retaining clarity in the surrounding image. Obviously these soldiers will all have a version of axolotl DNA to allow for the complete regeneration of any injuries to these more complex sensory organs by flashes of extremely bright light or blows to the face and head.>>63979145I'd imagine the parts would remain undifferentiated as all developing humans start out female, probably just an androgynous girl with the capacity of some animals to develop secondary sex organs of either sex. Then again since the people of Sidonia also incorporated plant traits and there doesn't seem to be a kingdom barrier for gene splicing it wouldn't shock me if the process was something outside of the capabilities of either animals or plants.
>>63968536Nah.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasuehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuckelaveeWendigos and ghouls were also ugly mofos, usually described as skinny, with rotting skin.
>>63980137My question: if we made this hypothetical super soldier, what kind of characteristics would we rid of? Hair? How would we affect its psyche to ensure it remains 'ours'
>>63980272depends on the ecosystem it would primarily be fighting in.
>>63980302Something like Greece perhaps, just as example.
>>63980349>Greece>mountainous terrain>island chains>temperature highs of 29Cat a cursory glance you'd want something with long limbs and gripping extremities, semi-ampbibious, and a system to either cope with, or capitalise on the hot summers (photosynthesis perhaps)
>>63980619>Having to convert celcius to farenheitJesus christ Greece
>>63980272Well, you'd probably want to improve on their tolerance to simple discomfort, either by raising their pain threshold by some amount or by using gene manipulation to guarantee certain psychological traits. You'd want all of your supersoldiers at the base to naturally feel a strong connection to their fellows and superiors, introduce some of the behavioral traits of pack hunters and temper it with a rigorous regime of training. Depending on your fictional setting's political organization it's optional whether you leave their human capacity for contrarianism and disobedience intact or remove it. On one hand soldiers who unerringly follow orders can simplify a lot of situations, on the other they may tend towards rigid narrow thinking which will leave them very vulnerable when cut off from command structures. Personally while I would condition my soldiers to be absolutely loyal to their fellows and ruthless towards their enemies, but not to be absolutely unerringly obedient. Some orders are simply shit, and I'd want every individual soldier to be smart enough to recognize that and be able to develop other better strategies on their own.As to physical traits, I'd have things like hair and nails grow much slower to reduce the time needed to care for them, but not eliminate them all together. Probably reduce libido but retain competitiveness and risk taking behavior by selectively suppressing testosterone reception, perhaps only when prompted by a shot of some hormone taken before deployment, set to last for the standard length of a deployment. I'd give them large numbers of dormant melanin cells which could be prompted to produce by some psychosomatic trigger, allowing soldiers in high UV exposure environments to rapidly darken their skin to protect themselves from sunburn. I'd have their fat cells be more efficient at storing both water and nutrients, so they can better endure privation.
>>63980684You should come to ItalyBask in the glory of 40 degree aummers
>>63980766I assume you mean 40 Celcius. Fuck that, I like not being cooked and smelling of man-bacon. Granted, my weather is wildly fucking schizo as it is and doesn't know what it wants to be. It'll either melt you, freeze, you or all the same all at once just to fuck with your brain.
>>63973213*sip*Yup, you better not insult Quake in my presence!
I'll make a new thread once this one goes
https://www.artstation.com/hydrothraxI'm surprised this artist hasn't come up yet.
>>63981693Oh my god it's perfect
>>63981693>>63981731They are legitimately great and I hope to se some of their work in film one day.
>>63981774>>63981812Fuckin' amazing, holy shit.
Well fuck me green we've hit the image limit
>>63981812>>63981774>>63981693>>63981189>>63981327>>63979544>>63979257>>63979202>>63979181>>63979068>>63978455That's not the sort of biotech this thread is referring to. Those are cases of cybernetic enhancement and genetic alteration. When we're talking about biotech, we're referring to stuff that is entirely meat-based. The armor is biological, the weapons are biological, every part of the character and what the character is wearing and wielding is organic and alive. See >>63955733 as the best possible example of it.
>>63984908OP here. I must say that I, dumbfuck goatbrain as I am, am king of omitting details. I named the thread Biotech but I do welcome (and encourage) talk in the same vein, such as genetic modification and some cybernetics (though prefer to keep it organic as it pertains to this kind of topic) I welcome Biomechanics as well, similar to what the anon posted above from Hydrothorax/Alice Bruderer. You're right very by and large, but I do welcome biomechanics. My sincere apologies anons, that's my fault.
hopefully thread lives when I wake
>>63956767>warframe>low body horroruhhhh, sure thing just as long as you never play the sacrifice or go to grineer tilesets. i do love warframe's aesthetics to death though.
we need a new thread
>>63956342The thing that always gets me with biohorror is how ridiculous it is from a design standpoint.It's 100% more likely that you'd aggressively reward any nervous centers in your machines and equipment so they WANT to do their work.Which is it's own problem of course, A gun that wants to fire, a ship that's jonesing for a new course...It's simply so much more likely that we'd need to dial back our designs because we're blissing out their receptors than putting them through ridiculous amounts of pain or despair.
>>63977054The human eye does pretty good work for being unengineered. I'd personally only mildly enhance it, probably with a more durable face and optimizing its normal characteristics.What I would do beyond that is add additional eyes. A set of lazing eye designed to scan the surroundings for range and situational awareness. An set of IR eyes, ETC.
>>63955934What if you bioengineered a tree that grew meat fruits? Say you can even make them as non-carcinogenic as natural fruit.
>>63987866I will be making one when this one hits the bump limit, promise!
>>63988560This is something I've been considering if a biotech/biomantic society were to basically create a slave race. if for some reason they want them sapient, why would they program them to feel despair with their station?Why not breed them to feel happiness in slavery instead, where they feel pleasure for doing the work for their masters?
>>63990999Trips of fruit meat
>>63992010We just gotta issolate the sub BDSM gene.
>>63956342It's too bad, because Twig is probably the most comprehensive biotech setting in recent memory.
>>63992010Like dogs, I guess? Dogs are universally loved for their innocense and naivite, I actually really don;t see much ethical problem with happiness bred slaves, i guess as long as you don;'t mistreat them, I feel like removing their ability to feel pain if attacked or hurt would be fuzzy ethics, but joy at doing what they are bred to do like a retriever loves to play fetch isn't bad at all,
>>63992031Haaaa hahahhaa. Fuck me that's an early morning laugh. Thanks anon.>>63992076That I think would be the best way of doing it ya know.
Alright anons I'm about to make the new thread.
>>63987853Warframe's aesthetics are sex in a bottle
>>63988733As someone with a lazy eye this concept makes me chuckle.
>>63992127Dooo iiiiiit.I got a ton of pics I can dump next thread, also, if you're OP and you drew the pics in the beginning of the thread, the lineups, I think I have done work with you before, character commissions. I lost touch with you (I wasn;'t able to sign into my old email after a point) and would like to reconnect.
New thread! >>63992201>>63992187I am OP but not the artist, he did comment previously however.
>>63968069You'd probably still want a handful of human overseers.
>>63992778No doubt. If you'd like, we could continue this on the new thread.
>>63956244God leviathan was such a cool trilogy
>>63956767God the warframe worldbuilding is so goodIf only the game wasn't shit
>>63956088i want the armour of 7 but the weapon of 2 please