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2spooky4me Edition

Previously: >>63390147

RESOURCES
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their decks strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commanders color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

CARD SEARCH
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
http://scryfall.com

>Thread Topic
What are cards that you like, but just aren't good enough for any of your decks?
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>TQ
tower of the magistrate
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>>63405985
>I make new bat
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>TQ
One of my favorite cards, never makes the cut. Might try it in Riku Biovisionary
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I love angels!
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>tq
For me, it's this card for sure.
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>>63406004
Sure thing
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>>63406081
Too bad all the art you post is shit
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>>63406096
>>63406053
meant for batman
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>>63406063
it's a nice card indeed. I play since forever and it's the first time i see it... Morningtide, eventide and shadowmore were so esoteric and non popular sets i still continue to discover gems from these sets every week.
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>>63406088
I wanna try this in gonti. Thanks for sharing
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>>63405985
I was super hype for Stolen Strategy, and now I run it in zero decks because Outpost Siege can draw lands and everything else in Rx already has better CA options.
I've long struggled to find a place for Goblin Charbelcher in EDH, until very recently when I dropped it into my new BR Grenzo.
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>>63406110
no u
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>>63406148
>mfw i didn't sold a single copy of the 147 stolen strategies i purchased
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>>63406129
Hopefully you can get some use out of it. Way too mana intensive for me.
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>>63406081
I liked the art you posted. It was good art. You got any Sigarda art?
>>63406110
Nice bait.
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>>63406250
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>>63406201
That's what you get for speculating
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>>63406324
Yes but i got an offer from a lgs who made a big box opening and needed liquidity i couldn't refuse : 0.10€ each.
Hard to say no at that price....
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I am excited for my UMA box!
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>>63406419
let me guess without spoiler : you are excited for opening your UMA box, right?
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>>63406321
>>63406384
Nice. Thank you.
>>63406419
What are you most excited for?
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>>63406419
Not getting a box but I'll probably draft it twice tomorrow. I just want some eldrazi titans or something cool.
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>>63406324
and to be totally honest i didn't even tried to sell them yet, i plan to wait a couple of years before doing so. Card is still on the top10 of most sold cards from BBD and is legit good (and fun).
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>>63406436
Bitter Blossom, Phyrexian Tower, Mana Crypt, Snapcaster Mage, Sigarda, entomb, eternal witnesses, good Manlands hopefully. Lots more. I have 8 fairly tuned commander decks and I want more good stuffs.
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>>63406556
>Mana Crypt
Vault
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>>63406419
Already got mine Anon! Opening it in a few hours
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>>63406578
Pardon
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>>63406392
Hope you can offload them eventually man I'm just giving you shit for the fun of it
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anyone run "bad" cards for "fun" or for a niche/theme even though you know you should run something strictly better? It's probably gonna come out for nilhil spellbomb but still ;_;
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>>63406597
do you plan to film it or at least take some picks for us poorfags who couldn't buy such beautiful product?
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>>63406620
nice fren
I don't expect to become a billionaire with stolen strat but if i could unload them for 1.5-2€ i will be a happy man
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>>63406622
I ran Unbender Tine for the longest time and even used it to justify the inclusion of Ravnica bounce lands.
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>>63406622
>anyone run "bad" cards for "fun" or for a niche/theme even though you know you should run something strictly better?

No because i'm a cedh spike who only play the best of the best
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Are we going to see $20 Bitterblossoms soon?
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>>63406753
What's so good about this card anyway? Please, educate a brainlet
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>>63406629
Anon, it's okay, you don't need to watch videos of other people to be happy, why not go for a jog? Or shuffle a deck and think about the happy times you have had playing commander?
you do have happy memories of actually playing don't you Anon?
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Is there like... An edh land staple site, for all colors? Been out for a while, forget what I need beyond temples and shocklands. Command tower, all that stuff.
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>>63406753
probably,but wont drop further, card is still very popular, this is a new art and printed as mythic

>>63406820
Well, its not even that good actually, still pretty nice to generate critters with evasion to connect equipments such as jitte or swords. Also become a phyrexian arena on steroid with skullclamp. Fit pretty well in rogue or faerie buold (most common interaction in eternal format is bitterblossom + spellstutter sprite)
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>>63406843
>why not go for a jog
i'm unironically a crippled hotwheelfag
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>>63406843
>you do have happy memories of actually playing don't you Anon?
Do goldfishing alone in my room count?
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>>63406556
Good choices.
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>>63406629
>>63406912
>>63406937
>poor
>handicaped
>no frens to play with
man your life sucks, why don't you end it?
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>>63406998
Hey! Don't bully that Anon! He has his cards and n33tbux
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>>63406998
You forgot
>frogposter
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>>63405985
>TQ
Chromatic Lantern, dark ritual, and high tide. The first one only really works for 3+ color decks to help with fixing, and only really works if green isn't a persistent presence. The other two are decent speed boosts, but seldom work because those slots are generally reserved for better tech choices.
>Build Emmara
>mfw people focus me
>mfw they have no idea what I have planned for tomorrow since my package came in
It involves a thornbite staff and blasting station
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>>63406912
>>63406937
It'll all be ok. We are random people on the internet but I like you
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>>63407032
this sarcastic message really hurted my feefees, fren. Now i think other anon is right, nothing in this life will ever deliver me from the pain, i should end it all for good.
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>>63406894
I guess it's good in that it's not powerful enough to get people to think it's a real problem
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>>63407132
ppl were freaking out when it was removed from the modern banlist circa 2014-15 i don't remember, but it did a big flop and didn't made any wave for the slightest in the format.
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>>63407128
No Anon! It's not sarcasm! You have cards, Pepe's and anime, you can be happy! Why not try round out your life with a skill like playing piano?
You can be happy! Edhg believes in you!
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>>63407190

please fuck my face
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>>63407190
With this out the 5th or 4th turn may never come
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>>63407128
Don't do that. Suicide is not the answer.
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>>63407097
>Plummet
Or I can path baneslayer? Or anything other than bad removal?
>The joke
>My head
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>>63407190

Jesus fucking Christ look at this guy
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I run debt to the deathless because it’s big orzhov flavor in my Kambal but I don’t want to run exsanguinate because I think having two group kill big spells goes against the “spirit of the format”. I don’t have a playgroup so there isn’t any reason I should feel bad. How can I overcome this? Does exsanguinate have a worse reputation for making people hate you than debt?
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>>63407128
A man's got to know his limitations.
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>>63407321
Believe it or not baneslayer angel used to be really good
Just pushed the old white go to, Serra angel, completely out of the way
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>>63407372

What replaced baneslayer?
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>>63407379
The nigress from dominaria i guess?
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>>63407379
She rotated out of standard
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>>63407128
Alway rember happy day.
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>>63407379
in today's UWx? probably walker teferi
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>>63407379

If this doesn't perfectly summarize the direction wizards has taken over the years then I don't know what does.
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>>63407604
>we can see the corruption of Serra's plane by Phyrexian black mana in the card art
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>>63407604

wait until you see what they did to Gideon
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>>63407644
Gideon was always brown you neanderthal.
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>>63407604
and what? You don't like PROGRESS you antisemitic goy? Buy another booster then, it could help!
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>>63407372
She still is, although not as much in edh where removal, enchantments, etc exist and can make her irrelevant really fast. The weird thing about this format is how viable even the most mundane things can be in the grander scheme.
>Don't see competitive use for Appeal//Authority
>Suddenly good in token decks
>>63407379
I would say nothing so much as she's not as powerful in a singleton format that has ways to deal with her.
>>63407604
>Serra is a decent 4/4 for 3ww with two keywords that make her evenly-balanced against similar cards
>Baneslayer is an upgrade with additional keywords to make her that much better, a bit unfair
>Lyra is a regression in only the lack of specific protection, is basically a lord nobody asked for and wasn't needed
>Also, the casting cost feels a bit low for what she does
Do they even bother comparing cards by tribe/format favourites before they release them? I feel like we're another felidar guardian away from fact or fiction breaking into modern.
>>63407662
>Greek setting
>Brown
???
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>>63406937
You should play on mtgo, man.
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>>63407714
>Don't call them "demon"
>They're "mortally challenged"
>Alongside the stronk black womyn that don't need no men!
Maro is sending us a message
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>>63407128
felt the same today after seeing someone else open UMA
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>>63407372
>>63407855
>Believe it or not baneslayer angel used to be really good

This, and actually she still is, she still see play in legacy tier decks (mostly in sb of miracle and maverick)
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>>63407929
because you couldnt offer yourself a box, fren?
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>>63407974
Yeah, also on neetbux.
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>>63407662

Ok.

And before you accuse me of cherry picking, none of what I included is fan art, its all either art I took directly from magic's webpage or cards they have released. Gideon's portayal saw an undeniable shift halfway between his inception to now.
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>>63408008
i feel you fren, but at least i saved enough topick the cards i really need from the set and who dropped quite hard (phyrexian altar & tower, B2B, ancient tomb, reanimate, containment, entomb, runed halo, flagstones and platinium emperion). I wish i could pick all this for less than 90$
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>>63406753
I opened my one and ONLY pack I will purchase of UMA and I got a foil bitterblossom.

Also bought this as a playmat. Friggen pretty as fuck.
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>>63408367
What would you say are pack crack rates in terms of value based on what others have cracked so far?
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>>63408072
Yeah, and he's brown on both sides. If you honestly can't account for how lighting affects skin tone then fuck right off to Tumblr. They can't tell either.
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>>63408548
The rare and mythic slots have enough high value in them, that the EV is really good. However there is still plenty of jank, so there is still going to be volatility.
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>>63407128
seriously though: don't kill yourself.
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>>63406622
I have a deck that consists of every card my friend has told me is "complete garbage and should never be played". I exclusively target him with it and act very smug when he gets knocked out of games before me.
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>>63408873
that's funny
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>>63408838
thanks to care anon, but i wont for the moment, and if i do i'll give edhg a part of my collection!
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>>63406622
Gay Hippo.dek
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>>63408873
Try that shit on me
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>>63408548
not him but i saw 2 boxes opening on yt so far and it was extreme, one with 90$ EV and the other around 600$..
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>>63408927
>>63408873
Unless that guy is the retard that thinks cyclonic rift sucks
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>>63407714
My local Target stopped selling MtG cards, strange thing that.
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>>63408958
too easy to steal i guess
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>>63408981
Could be but we don't have alot of blacks. Debating if I should get a UMA box but I feel like the EV is total shit and not worth it
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>>63409046
>we don't have alot of blacks
These are magic cards. They get stolen by middle class white kids.
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>>63408958
All the ones in my county did as well. YGO and Pokemon too.
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>>63408958
>>63409199
If they're not near the front/toy section, they will be near the back of the store by the fandom merch wall. You know, the wall with Harry Potter/Rick and Morty/other shit that is targeted to a slightly older audience. Usually near the electronics/movies.
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>>63408938
>>63408711
I'll crack a pack in that case. I do want to grab a box and draft it with friends, but other expenses...
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>>63409046
If you don't buy a box don't bother with any sealed product. Getting a 100-200$ foil really should get your engine running.

Other than that wait for singles to be sold on the back of blisterpacks
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Since the board seems to be on an angel bender, who's the best commander for an angel tribal deck? I've personally narrowed it down to:
Lyra:
>Obvious tribal synergies, giving all your huge stuff lifelink is very nice.
>Big girl, but not too big. Blocks and attacks well for five mana and will pretty reliably come out each game.
>Unfortunately mono-white.
Archangel Avacyn:
>Anti-boardwipe tech in the command zone, otherwise a flavorful Serra Angel with flash.
>Boros identity, mono-white casting cost makes for a lot of deckbuilding flexibility. There are a lot of R/RW angels, on top of wheels and other redstuff.
>Probably won't flip very often in an Angel tribal deck.
>The angeliest angel in Magic.
Karametra:
>Ramps you nicely into your obtuse angles.
>Splash green for the all-important dorks, land ramp, and card draw.
>Avacyn's Pilgrim gets bonus points for flavor on top of playability.
>No GW angels besides Sigarda.
>Absolutely zero flavor in relation to Angels.
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>>63409493
Kaalia
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>>63409514
Gets targeted immediately and is super linear. You either survive to turn five and fart out Iona or Avacyn, or you die and have to wait 40 minutes for your table to finish playing. Plus Mardu doesn't really do much for me, since a lot of the black angels are underwhelming.
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>>63409493
The best angel general is unironically the one you forgot to mention, and believe me she is in a whole another league than the one you mentionned.
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>>63409493
>Lyra
She's a lord on a big body that requires big investment. In terms of leading, she's mediocre at best.
>Archangel Avacyn
Fine for protection from wipes while being a boardwipe herself. Downside is almost none, since you'll run a couple wipes alongside her, making it 3-4 wipes available and, depending on your build, at least 3-4 instances of protection.
>Karametra
Only really good in creature-heavy decks, or decks that can replay creatures consistently.
>>63409748
Shalai feels more like general protection for a go-wide board or stompy decks. Angel tribal is definitely powerhouse stomp, but she feels out of place as a commander rather than a 99'er.
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>>63409874
>but she feels out of place as a commander rather than a 99'er
and you surely have arguments to back that up beside a feeling, right?
Because to me it sound like it's quite the opposite, she act as a lord, perfect mana sink in late, give protection to your angels and leyline of sanctify you for the whole game...
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>>63409874
and of course green offer you the ability to run all the ramp necessary to play all your big ladies sooner. No really, Shalai is the best without contest.
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>>63409748
>>63409493
Aurelia, Gisela and Avacyn are the only acceptable choices for Angel tribal.
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>>63410143
What about a big NO
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>>63410251
Okay.

But honestly Maelstrom is the real answer. Just don't tell Sheldon you think that.
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>>63406912
its ok. don't be sad. I like you.
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>>63406622
nobody expects to have their lands Pyroblasted, sacrificed to All is Dust, or exiled by their own Ugin
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Who's better for a chaos deck, Jodah or Karona?
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>>63410838
Karona. Jodah doesn't run the risk of dealing 21 commander damage to its owner
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Should off color fetches (ie wooded foothills in a sonic deck) be allowed? I say no. Too much shuffling and against the spirit of the format
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try again when the burgers are awake
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>>63411155
No because fuck giving 5C decks even more of a headstart.
Onslaught/Zendikar fetches shouldn't be allowed, only basic fetches like Evolving Wilds.
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>>63405985
>TQ

Helldozer is one I can think of. There's always something better that I cut him for.
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>>63405985
The super color hosers like Drought, Gloom and Nature's Wrath. They're in this unfortunate niche where they're too specific and mana intensive for cEDH, too oppressive for a casual table and blue a.k.a. the one that actually deserves them got off the easiest in terms of color hate, as always.
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Dammit. I wanted to wait until Christmas to crack my UMA but it’s arriving way earlier than 6-8 days. Impulse or holiday spirit ritual?
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>>63411402
Christmas is for fags
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>>63411416
I am gay.
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hey guys i have a very interesting rules question and i hope you can help me out.
first you have to know, in our group we still allow to use most of the Un-Cards in our EDH decks in combination with regular cards and the question belongs to this problem so its not your "usual rules question".

Here comes my question:
If i enchant my library with the Unstable card "Animate Library" and clone the "Library-Creature" afterwards...
what do i get?
Have i just created a new empty library pile represented by the clone-card? if thats correct, am i allowed to choose from which library i like to draw? can i draw, using a brainstorm, from library A and put my cards back on top of library B?
Is my clone still a permanent? If not, what did it become? Is it part of the game or outside of the game (in case i play a wish)?

Hope you guys can help me out.
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>>63406063
great in newzuri
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What are some good 2 and 3 drop rocks that can produce nonblack for chainer?

I recently watched a Magus of the Wheel get popped with that deck, and I feel like I should have been able to immediately end the game there.
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>>63411479
I would assume that clone becomes a library, which has no cards, making it a 0/0, which dies when SBAs are checked next time. You won't have two libraries.
It's pretty hard to say honestly, since un-sets don't use normal MtG rules and they're only made for drafting the set, not used for conjunction with normal cards. A great deal of un-card doesn't work and they have massive holes in them to be used in normal magic and they would need rewording (old un-sets) and a shitload of clarifications in rulings.
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>>63411530
> 2 and 3 drop rocks that can produce nonblack for chainer?
fellwar stone, coldsteel heart, coalition relic, astral cornucopia, sphere of suns, pentad prism, alloy myr, manalith, spectral searchlight, vessel of endless rest, cryptolith fragment, darksteel ingot, chromatic lantern.
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>>63411544
The problem is, the clone would enter the battlefield without the enchantment. So it would never be a creature but a library. So i would have 2 librarys. My original one, containing my Deck of cards. And my new one, containing a face-up clone card.
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>>63411530
Well, I'd say that Chromatic Lantern is one you'll definitely need. Maybe Coalition Relic and Darksteel Ingot. One of the best is Fellwar Stone, however. You also could try Phyrexian Altar and Springleaf Drum. Shamefully only one that helps with multiple colored pips is Lantern, unless you want Gilded Lotus in there.
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>>63411563
The clone isn't in the library, the clone is the library.
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>>63411563
This is actually a fair point, I didn't think of that. However, the current rules don't cover this scenario, but assuming that it really becomes a second library, it would have no cards.
This scenario could be thought in different ways, one of them being that you need to draw a card from both of your decks at the beginning of your next draw step and you would lose. Second one would be that you can't interact with the deck at all.
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>>63411608
there is an actual un-card about creating new librarys called Split Screen. Maybe it helps.
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>>63411608
The "split library" card gives some precendence here - if we're to take its rulings as global and not card specific, if anything refers to a library and you have more than one, you choose one which to apply it to. This includes drawing cards.
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>>63407714
>anti white
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>>63411633
>>63411636
This sounds pretty reasonable, actually. It still doesn't clear everything, instead making more questions. If you Brainstorm, can you put the two cards on top of your other library? If you Protean Staff, can you put the cards revealed into your second library? If you crack a fetch, can you search for the land and shuffle the another library instead of the one you fetched from?
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>>63411675
Diversity just means less white people.
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>>63407714
Maybe white people are the minority in the worlds of Magic
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>>63411713
I assume you pick one library that you manipulate for a single spell/ability and stick to it until the effect resolves. A different case would be Future Sight, which allegedly reveals the top card of all your libraries at once and lets you play them all - which doesn't make much sense to me. IMO it should have a single library's top card revealed with you being able to change which it is at any time.
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What are commanders that require more than 5iq to play?
My decks so far are only punchy stuff that interact too little with my opponents
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>>63411913
Selenia requires some forethought along with politicing which is great fun.
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>>63411913
Play the black version of Blue Braids and try to stay alive, like nekusar but your win condition is convincing everyone to use their threats and answers against each other
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>>63411913
Zedruu, Sen Triplets, Marduchesa, Frankie Peanuts
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>>63407128
Can you acquire a KSG? At least keep the meme rolling
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>>63406892
Manabasecrafter is fucking awesome
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>>63407128
Dont do that faggot my two best friends did and its absolute shit to go through. Be happy that you get to experience life, and dont ever minimize that privilege.
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>>63407714
>indian woman in indian themed set
>monster
>a Hispanic angel in AN ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET set
>black women in an Egyptian set

Look I dont like radical intersectionality, but jesus christ anon, you look schizophrenic
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I'm a manager at Walmart, and I'm excited to get some UMA blister packs before any of you other faggots, with a 10% discount :^)
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>>63411255
Even in big black?
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>>63407714
>$4.19
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>>63412463
Have fun working at Walmart

Buy me one
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How do you guys all store your decks/cards?
Recently started getting into Magic/EDH and have been building a few decks and am suddenly faced with the issue of having nowhere to put everything.
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>>63413390
I keep my decks in my backpacks. They're usually sleeved and loose inside the backpack.
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>>63413429
>>63413390
Don't do this
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>>63406629
I got 450 usd in value Anon! My day was good, yours will be too!
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>>63413390
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B3JRGAY
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>>63413543
Do Americans really pay 12$ for one deck box? I get the same one on MCM for 2€.
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>>63413543
This is a deckbox for plebs.
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>>63413390
a tin box and a piece of cardboard to make sure the cards don't jiggle inside.
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>>63413390
get one of these
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>>63413886
This anon is right
I've been using this for about two years now. Best investment I've made for my cards.
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>>63412463
What do managers even make? My friend works there and I keep telling him to find something else because theres no future there and hes finally starting to get it after he realized $11.60/hr for 8 years of employment was laughable
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>>63414126
They get paid a salary
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>>63414157
What's the average salary?
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>>63407128
Killed myself before, didn't enjoy the endless void of simple non-existence, would not recommend
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>>63414170
Depends but I wanna say around 20k - 25k
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>>63405985
>TQ
Draco in my Jodah High CMC tribal. Whenever I'm making room I see him and think of Scrying 16 with Ugin's Insight and setting up a 30 damage combustible gearhulk and I just can't pull him out.
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>>63414126
Op here, I make about 55 a year
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>>63414263
Hourly managers start at about 11-15 an hour depending on their area
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>>63411913
Kraj is the gentlemen’s deck.
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>>63414126
Jesus christ I started at $12 at a gas station. Either your area sucks or the midwest rules.
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>>63412463
Also, that's about $8-9 a pack.
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>>63409493

Pic related, just don't tell sheldon. Obviously ask your playgroup IRL if it is ok, as well.

She let's you play all colors of angels and her effect is actually perfect for angel tribal since your big ticket angels are some big ladies.

-Start with a good green/white skeleton to make sure you have good ramp from green to feed your ladies and good removal/backup ramp from white, build out your deck from there. Remember that ramp cards that work better than their peers but only on Forests (3visits, nature's lore, skyshroud claim) can tutor your Forest dual lands, so I recommend making sure the dual lands you do run are Forest/TYPE so you can cover all 5 colors sooner.
-Run some tutors to make sure maelstrom waifu always has something to play. Black is great at tutoring anything and green is great for tutoring creatures, so having that combo is terrific here.
-Include some tools to make sure Maelstrom actually connects some damage so she can activate her effect. Some examples; Rogue's Passage/Whispersilk Cloak for unblockable, Kessig Wolf Run/Skaarg, the Rage Pits for trample, Hanweir Battlements/Slayer's Stronghold/the pair haste&protection shoes for haste.
-If your playgroup plays alot of land hate to threaten your ramp, or you just want a good insurance policy, then shore up your strategy with a couple of hand cheaters. Belbe's Portal works perfect for your strat, and Quicksilver Amulet is a good partner. Thran Temporal is also OK since some of your best angels are legendary ladies.
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Yesterday I got paid 300$ for sitting down for a lunch presentation, which was rather unexpected. Should I go buy a blister pack at Walmart and a good bottle of scotch to drown my sorrows in after I open 2 Lavaclaws and a Talrand?
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>>63414634

-Access to blue gives you some fun choices. Stoic Angel is probably the best pick up here, since her effect is a massive momentum stopper and many of your angels get around it with Vigilance. Iridescent Angel is an old lady, but she is 4/4 with protection from everything so she can end up being a large thorn in someone's side. Atraxa is a nice include if you want to lean heavier into a +1/+1 counter subtheme (Herald, Shalai, Archangel of Thuune, Defy Death, Jenara, Light of the Legion, patron of the valiant). Empyrial Archangel is a nice big angel to have that keeps you a bit safer, but I find her to be more of a win more card than anything. RIP bruna, her sisters are laughing at her.
-Access to black doesnt open the door to many new angels, but there are some good ones. Angel of Despair is a 5/5 flying Anguished Unmaking that still gets her effect even when reanimated by her sisters like emeria, reya, and karmic guide. Tariel, Reckoner of Souls is pretty strong despite her effect being hit or miss. Magister of Worth is also a nice "fuck you" if you are feeling spiteful or are caught in the late game and need time to rebuild your angel reanimation engine. Deathpact Angel is a cutie with a good body and a decent self-res that doesn't need her reanimation sisters to bring her back. I already mentioned atraxa above.
-The red and green angels are fairly played in commander so I won't go into them.
-I seriously recommend sticking with a selesnya skeleton for your deck, since the angel tribal playstyle plays very white no matter what color your commander is and green helps cover white's weaknesses. My most successful builds with this have been color-focused primarly on Green/White with black being a secondary. Black/White multicolor removal cards are obviously insanely strong, so I make sure I can run them comfortably.

Sorry for the long reply but I have alot of experience with Maelstrom commander since my playgroup lets me use her.
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>>63414634

Meant to put Maelstrom angel as my pic not that, woops
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>>63414634
THERE ARE MORE THAN 800 LEGENDARY CREATURES YOU CAN RUN AS COMMANDERS.

FUCKING PICK ONE OF THEM
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>>63414668

NO YOU CANT MAKE ME
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>>63414691
I LITERALLY CAN
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Got my hands on the Mimeoplasm precon and have been really enjoying graveyard shenanigans and wanna upgrade into something a bit better.
Looking at Muldrotha or Tasigur or something, anyone know a good upgrade path if I'm looking to move in that sort of direction, or have any better suggestions?
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>>63414710

GET OUT OF MY KITCHEN
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>>63414743
You are unironically the worst kind of player. You want a commander that does all those things, can't find one, so you extend your search to non-legendaries because you can't imagine not getting exactly what you want the way you want it with no concessions. You are the same as custom commander faglords.
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>>63414776

In all seriousness I'm really not that kind of player, I just play maelstrom angel as my commander when I play with my friends.

For my lgs, or anywhere involving mixed company, I run a mono white deck or sisay selesnya with angel sub themes. I don't push any sort of silly timmy stuff on strangers or my friends that arent up to it at the time. Maelstrom angel is just a commander I enjoy using, so if friends give me permission I will.
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>>63414776
Please go back to suckling Sheldon's teat, because the dude with fucking Maelstrom Archangel as their commander is not, in fact, the cancer killing EDH.
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>>63414814
It is literally not a commander you creatively bankrupt nincompoop. You lack the capacity to build what you want out of existing offerings so you play what is factually not a commander.
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>>63413390
>Recently started getting into Magic/EDH
do you mean purchasing product and not playing? you should have learned of solutions by osmosis by now
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>>63413639
It's a pack of 5
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>>63414854
you what? Sheldon is exactly the type of retard that would allow custom commanders.
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>>63414858

I don't really know what to say? I have many decks I play on cockatrice (which is where I express my creativity), but real life is much more expensive so I have to be careful in what I build into paper. I know maelstrom angel is not a legal commander, that is why I only play her kitchen table with friends.

I do not know why you are so mad at me, but I think you should either seek help or get back on the meds you're clearly not taking.
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>>63414858
>>63414776
>STOP PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY YOU WANT TO PLAY THE GAME
>I DON'T CARE IF EVERYONE YOU PLAY WITH IS FINE WITH IT AND HAS A GOOD TIME
>I'M NOT FINE WITH IT, SO YOU CAN'T DO IT AND YOU'RE LITERALLY SATAN IF YOU DON'T ADHERE TO MY ABSOLUTE WILL
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>>63414916
I find that hard to believe considering he's had fucking Coalition Victory of all things banned for ages.
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>>63414926
>If someone disagrees with me it's because they have extreme psychological issues
Just accept that you're a custom card faggot and realize that we don't play with custom cards here. If someone comes here saying they're playing Blood Moon as their commander they will be ridiculed just the same.
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>>63414973
>realize that we don't play with custom cards here

Alright, my bad, I didn't know. I'll leave you to it then.
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>>63414973
It's not because they disagree with you, it's because you're acting completely deranged over it. Go get a psych eval.
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>>63415017
Are people already migrating from Reddit? Retard answers a question about "What is best X Commander" with a dissertation over his illegal deck and you go "omg why r peepl mean i dun drstand".

You think we should have a hand holding session and sing about friendship or do you want to discuss actual EDH?
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>>63414871
I've gone to my LGS to play a couple times but mostly I lend my decks to my friends when they come over and play at my place.
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>>63411768
>really good looking
Ok kid
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>>63415129
>FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>here's the point of my post
>FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>why isn't anyone listening to me?
Delete your web browser and take your autism pills.
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>>63415225
>omg he said a bad word and im offended
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>>63415225
Calling out autism like >>63414648 >>63414634 is not autism. Those posts are autism. Learn the difference.
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>>63415208
satanists are in permanent inversion and perversion of truth.
Beauty must be ugly
Media must tell lies
Doctors must make you sick
Feminity must become masculine
Masculinity must become feminine
The guilty must become the victim
Freedom is slavery
...
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>>63415129

Kitchen Table Timmy WAS trying to discuss EDH with good information and you sperged out on him you god damn mong.

The original question was about the best commander for an Angel tribal deck, a theme that is already not oriented towards competitive play. Anon responds with a decently informed opinion with some insightful advice for 5 color angel tribal. The guy stated from the start of his post the commander he used was maelstrom angel and it was for casual play only.

Does his choice of commander invalidate anything he said? No, it doesn't. There is definitely room for discussion on some of what he said, but saying something like "if you are playing angel tribal, use selesnya base since angels play white and green helps cover white's weaknesses" is solid advice regardless of what fucking commander you are playing.

This thread is dead as fuck the majority of the time, and the other times people just shitpost about what land art looks best, dumping angel images, or flexposting about what product they are buying. Someone actually tries to discuss EDH strategy on the thread and you chase them away.

Newsflash faggot; the format was BUILT at a god damn kitchen table by a group of friends playing with made up rules. It is a casual format from its inception. You are the cancer killing what little quality is left of these threads, and you are the cancer sucking the fun out of EDH. I sincerely hope you kill yourself.
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>>63415251
>It's just vitriol, don't be a pussy, dude. You have to hear me out even if I have the charisma and tact of a wet sack of gravel.
I'm offended by the fact that you want people to take you seriously with your verbal diarrhea.
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>>63415390
Gotcha, lemme just write a dissertation about my Necropotence commander deck next time someone asks for monoblack advice.

mtgsalvation has boards for custom card autism. Probably. No one will be rude and mean to you there.
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>>63415390
tl;dr
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>>63415336
Calm down dweeb
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>>63415427
The short of it is samefag has hurt feelings and defends his 5-color angel tribal as being on-topic
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>>63415390
This but unironically.
>>63415426
If you can't understand the difference between allowing a casual-bait, jank-ass, five-color creature as your commander and one of the most broken enchantments of all time as your commander, then you really do have brain damage.
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>>63415426
>>63415427
>>63415473

Par for the fucking course in these threads, trash spewing more trash.
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>>63415463
>t. npc
nice argument
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Hey guys, got any spicy tech for my new commander. My friends said they where cool with it. Pic related.
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>>63415504
Slow down nerd, im mocking you not arguing you
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>>63415129
Speaking as the guy who asked the question in the first place, he has provided infinitely more help and constructive discussion than you have, jackass.
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>>63415540
Your unbiased opinion is highly valued here, customcommander-kun.
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>>63415534
but why are you ridiculizing yourself in the process?
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>>63415532
OH SHIT HE FUCKING GOT EM
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>>63415532

epic and redmoon pilled xd
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>>63415532
I would if I could
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>>63415532
Magus of the Moon
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>>63415532
convince them to make it partners with Back to Basics
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/edhg/ WUBRG knights assemble! We must protect anon and his nonlegendary 5c angel tribal deck from the EVIL BULLIES because he is special and precious and also possibly a really cute twink. STOP BULLYING.

Also Shalai is underrated.
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>>63415748
>Also Shalai is underrated.
finally, someone with a brain. She outclass all others legendary angels. She even start to make waves in cedh.
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>>63415703
That might be pushing it since they let me use my secret commander.
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>>63415821
this is strictly worse than Blood Moon. Everyone knows Islands are more useful than Mountains
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>>63415787
Really? Could our two resident cEDHfags elaborate on this (if they're not otherwise occupied having torrid gay sex in Zur cosplay)?
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>>63415840
Hey it's just casual games with my friends, I know it's not the best but it's my waifu.
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>>63415336
This is all true, but satanists also love racism. In its current form, it is the rejection of absolute truth, and subverting metaphysics, causing the world to believe in a materialistic metaphysic (scientific naturalism), which begets genetic determinism.

Basically what I'm saying is shut the fuck up because you are a pawn of the lord of this world, and in your racial bigotry, fulfilling the wishes of the immortal psychopath.

Faggot.
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I want to build a mono-red deck and I was thinking of running Scrambleverse as my commander (my group allows it). Any advice would be appreciated.
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i have a large backpack so i use satin towers(11) https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-Black-Satin-Tower/dp/B00FRIE76I but i plan on upgrading to seers https://www.amazon.com/SEER-Premium-Strength-Magnetic-Close/dp/B071FFT8WD they are expensive but my decks added up are +10k(reserve list is a hell of a drug) so its worth the investment , dont cheap out spend 10-20 on a good waterproof and rigid deckbox
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>>63415857
She alrdy won few tourney where i live (France, where only cedh exist and is pretty popular, but we don't have multi because this country is full of spikes), she fit in kinda maverick decks.
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=20535&d=335015&f=EDH

I myself was impressed by her and made a multi list MLD/combo with her at the helm :
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-10-18-shalai-voice-of-plenty/

Let me know what you think of my list!
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>>63413543
>B00BGAY
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I can't be the only one who thinks Basalt/Grim Monoliths as partner commanders show promise in cEDH despite being colorless, right?
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>>63416011
>MLD
I don't even need to look at your list to tell you I love it.
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>>63415993
Fuck those seers are noice. Have you seen them in person? The description says they hold 100 sleeved cards, think they'd fit double sleeved decks?
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>>63415907
You are like a little baby to me, nigger. You are fulfilling the anthroposophic and theosophic propheties by your cowardice.
I studied pythagorianism, aristotelianism, neoplatonicism, naghammadism, palladism & neoluciferianism. I'm a master of the mystery schools and their agenda.
You think you impressed me with you empty shit? You are a npc to me.
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I love mono blue. My friends are letting me run Omniscience as my commander. Any advice?
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>>63416099
Ask them if you can instead run Academy Rector as your commander but make it blue. It's what I do and it just works.
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>>63416090
Watch that edge there Styxhexenhammer.
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>>63416144
don't force me to show my real powerlevel, sweetie.
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>>63416180
Mysticpill me brother
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>>63416099
>not running strip mine as your commander
meh
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>>63415993
I didn't think those would fit 100 double sleeved cards, and that's a total deal breaker for me. I have single decks worth over $4k, and I use the REP gaming steel deckbox, the latch is a little ugly, but it's built like a tank. There is a video of someone running one over and it's fine.

I would give them a peek if you still want something metal, I like the seers design but it only holds 80 double sleeved cards, if they made it slightly bigger I would probably pick one up.
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>>63416197
>not running tabernacle as your commander

We're reaching pleb levels that shouldn't even be possible.
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>>63410838
Jhoira 1.0
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>>63416197
>it's not cast so commander tax doesn't apply
Genius! Just partner it with Azusa and you have a fun janky build for kitchen table games with friends.
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>>63416241
Brickwalled hard by Crucible/Burgeoning partner decks.
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>>63416241
As of December 2018, Strip Mine now has: Strip Mine can be your Commander, and Partners with Azusa, Lost but Seeking.

Commander tax does not apply to land commanders.

Have fun kiddos!
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>>63416193
sorry fren, but this knowledge is too dangerous, you need years of intensive training to prepare your body and mental to such a pill. Your brain could literally explode on the spot if i started to share my deepest and darkest thought.
I do this to protect you.
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>>63416296
Did we just broke edh frens?
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>>63416059
>>63416214
ya i thought about those too but i dont double sleeve even tho i really fucking should
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>>63416304
Esotericpill me senpai. I can take it. How can I prove myself?
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>>63416266
>Crucible/Burgeoning

What do you think the interaction between those cards is, exactly?
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>>63416335
He probably meant Exploration.
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>>63416320
Let's break it further!
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>>63416323
>How can I prove myself?
Do you own the Blue ray collector edition of the Matrix trilogy?
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>>63416365
Introducing: Hand Commander. Choose a legendary creature, then assemble one starting hand of seven cards. This is your commander and his arsenal!

Your commander functions the same as classic commander. His arsenal acts as a parallel hand to the seven you draw at the beginning of the game, so you essentially start with a 14 card hand!

Cant wait to see what crazy things our players do!
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>>63416394
I do!
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>>63416322
>$10,000 in decks
>Wants metal deck box for added protection
>Doesn't double sleeve

The fuck? It's your money and you can use it how you want but you are definitely being fucking retarded. Go ahead and look at the decks you play the most and check out the edges on your cards and the dirt trapped inside the sleeves, that's real damage you are putting your cards through and will make your NM cards LP or MP depending on where they get worn, and that's not counting the "what if" water damage issue.

I have seen many more cards damaged by single sleeving (especially foils) then u ever have by using a subpar box, and I have had a deckbox get crushed by a hambeast before.
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>>63416343
It works from the command zone, my cEDH group allows it.
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>>63416343
If he meant exploration then Azusa beats him still.

Pretty sure he is just a retard.
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>>63416448
>>63416440
>>63416343
>>63416266

Ha ha! Nothing can face my Mana Vortex/Mana Breach partner commander deck and live!
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>>63416335
My playgroup errata burgeoning to remove from hand clause now it also takes from deck, exile, cz, and grave because it was underpowered when just from hand.
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>>63416437
this.
Inner sleeves are mandatory to protect your stuff. I can't shill enough the kmc perfect sizes + hyper mat for maximum comfyness and protection (be sure to pick the japanese produced ones)
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>>63416504
>my Mana Vortex/Mana Breach partner commander
thats legit spoopy
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>>63416322
Just dew it.

I've seen spills onto double sleeved cards and the double sleeving saved them completely. They aren't waterproof but no liquid got inside the sleeves.
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>>63416437
i dont play with my nm stuff, my sleeves,cards, and playmats are spotless. i wash my hands between games and dont let people touch my cards(ocd) and handle them gently never flicking them.but im still gonna double sleeve i think. whats best perfect fit?kmc?
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>>63416582
>whats best perfect fit?kmc?
yes, i never had issues with them, not too tight, solid and good quality control (you never have miscuts in the packs)
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>>63416504
Redpill me on mana vortex, is the card legit?
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>>63416582
I have used a few different inners and honestly I don't think brand matters too much. You can choose between top loading a side loading inners, side loaders are much easier to actually sleeve, but you lose out on most of the spill protection double sleeving gives.

Dragon shield makes smoke inners, which has one half of the sleeve darker so you can use light colored sleeves without being able to see through them.

There are also hard inners from kmc, those offer additional protection against bending but make your deck laughably huge, and it won't fit in standard deck boxes anymore (like satin tower).

Up to you which ones you want to use, they are all pretty cheap and well worth using them.
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>>63415532
>a magus of the moon legendary would unironically be a unique and noncolor pie breaking commander
>there isnt a commander for mono blue that supports leviathans, octopus, fish, homarids and all the other underwater creatures
>there isnt a demon commander that gives you the mono black demon consorting necromancer experience
>there isnt a mardu knight legendary that would benefit from playing cards like dakkon, gideon ally of zendikar and blood knight in the same deck
Fuck this is suffering
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>>63416639
It's pretty fucking rad in Tatyova. And it's a good RL card only around $30.
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>>63416693
>Dakkon
what do you mean by this?
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>>63416639
It's pretty good in decks that can play around it. It's extreme if people don't play much artifact ramp and even better if you run Chronatog.
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>>63416693
Dakkon is Esper, nigga.
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>>63416693
>>63416831
and not a knight
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>>63413390
Seriously this >>63413886
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>>63413886
people will also think you're doing somekind of mechanical maintanence with that and not playing card games
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>>63405985
just went to check out redditedh and my fucking god how bland those people are. all they talk about is the same boring 10 commanders, and the suggestions they make are the same garbage from edhrec, its like those faggots cant think out of the box.........i love you /edhg/ even tho you are bad at magic you are fun at bantz
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Should I get in on this sick deal while I have the chance lads?
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>mtgo economy is totally collapsing due to Arena cannibalizing digital mtg, lack of support from jotc and rumors about future server shutdowns
>thousands of collections are on sale due to fear of incoming dropping value, accelerating even more the devaluation while no one want to buy
>stores recently announced they wont purchase mtgo digital cards for the moment

https://twitter.com/cardhoarder/status/1071067030781157376

Well, we said since day 1 this kike scam was bound to fail and let players on the side of the road, with empty pockets assoon as it wasnt seen a viable economic option for jotc. You aren't the owner of digital cards, you cannot ask for a refund and ultimately if the servers get shut down you lose everything. This was just common sense...
I hope edhg wasnt stupid enough to fall for this scam, right?
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>>63418225
Sure you lucky bastard! Highly undervalued... damn i wish i was you!
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>>63418334
I tried to register for an MTGO account twice but the website crashed both times so I gave up. Glad I did.
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>>63416831
He means Haakon I'm sure
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>>63417855
>DAE PLAY ATRAXA xD

I guarantee that that thread is made multiple times per day.
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>>63418225
I can't believe that isn't a foil one
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>>63418371
>>63418545
I'm just going to quote his description verbatim:
>Very cool reserve list card . Iconic! May not be valued at what I am asking for it . But I think that it is very undervalued . And should be .... I almost one states one year partly due to this card .
But anyway there actually is an ebay coupon today for 10%. Just got some Cursed Scrolls for premodern.
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>>63413886
this thing is amazing. why pay $10 per commander deck box when you can get this for less than $20?
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>Demonic down to $15-$16 a copy

Do I pull the trigger or wait a couple more days to see if it goes down to around $10? If it gets that low I'm totally grabbing a second copy.
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>>63407344
Yes, there’s retards among us. Nothing new
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>>63418596

Based premodern player.

I've been working on a bunch of premodern decks recently because I can't afford to build a $10,000 93/94 deck. Full English Breakfast and UG Madness are super fun decks and I really hope this format gets more popular (but not until I own all the staples).

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>>63418685
I would honestly give it a few days to drop lower but I'm penny-pinching at a pair of engineered explosives and watching them drop so I'm sort of biased. TCGplayer is doing 5% kickback till the 10th so maybe wait till the 10th to fire it off? That's probably what I'm gonna do.
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>>63407714
>the only good ones are ajani and the werewolf
Furry pride worldwide
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>>63418794
Right now I'm mostly working on tuning Suicide Black, but I've got a hundred other ideas spinning around. Frankly I kinda just wanna play Negator, Jackal Pup (with good art), and Stasis. And holy fuck, UG Madness, yeah. Need more people (i.e. more than two) to play with locally of course.
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>>63418905
Gotta love that real world flavor text.
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>Run a slightly upgraded Estrid precon
>That one opponent is bitching about my deck being OP
>"Fuck this shit Anon. Your deck is a fun killer. Every time you bring it we already know it's a lost game for us"
>Asking him to swap our deck
>He takes my Estrid, his Markov deck with fixed manabase and extra Ixalan vamps goes to another player, I take an unmodified Ur-Dragon precon
>30 minutes later they are both on -10 life
Why people can't accept that sometimes you really have to git gut?
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>get a box of masters
>get this for my Meren deck
Well I'm happy.
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>>63418795
desu I hope Engineered dips below $20 so I can get a copy without feeling bad.

These price drops are pretty nice. Foil UMA Lab Man is cheaper than a non-foil Innistrad printing.
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>>63419338
That's a great boxtopper, well done.
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>>63419288
Some people would rather whine than admit they're doing anything wrong. There's a guy who frequents my LGS who constantly spouts the "muh spirit of the format" meme, refuses to run more than 25 lands in his deck and then complains when he gets mana screwed, thinks using card draw spells is tryhard, and bitches and moans whenever people counter his spells. He also has such a hate-on for UG as a color combo that he will always gun for them regardless of board position - even if that person isn't actually playing their UG deck.
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>>63416841
>>63416831
I meant haakon from coldsnap, but korlash would be pretty sweet to play also and would be a cool payoff for the old urborg cabal coffers trick.
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>>63419288
where do you fellas find such faggots?
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I finished my wageslave week, drove to my LGS and bought into their 3 packs of UMA for 45$ deal (Canadian fake currency).
>Vexing Devil, E.Wit
>Maelstrom Pulse, Dakmor Salvage
>Fecundity, DESOLATE LIGHTHOUSE
I am now drowning my sorrows drinking cheap champagne straight out of the bottle and later I'll blow my nose into some 20$ bills while looking at my accounts and wondering why I can't make ends meet because THAT'S THE KIND OF MAN I AM and THOSE ARE THE FINANCIAL DECISIONS I MAKE

THANK YOU WOTC
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>>63419640
It was stupid to buy any other sealed product than a whole box. The box topper is what people are in love with right now.
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>>63419393
Thanks friend. It was one of three box toppers I wanted and it'll arguably get more use than the other two I wanted.
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>>63419565
As far as I can tell the guy drives from out of town for 3 hours to come and play at our shops because nobody in his town will put up with him. We gets on a lot of peoples nerves and nobody really likes him, but there are just enough people that tolerate him that he keeps coming back.
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>>63419723
I would argue that it is more stupid to spend 300$ on sealed product than it is to spend 45$ on sealed product, even if the EV is potentially higher. Either way you're doing something that is strictly worse than buying singles on average unless you own a card store or are otherwise a big seller able to quickly offload unwanted singles with no hassle on the secondary market.

Alternatively you can eBay that shit and maybe make more than the box cut you if you assume your time has literally zero value.
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with regard to choosing a commander, there a good rule of thumb for avoiding ones with reputations? seems like zur and certain partners start off as a target. wanted to build a ramos deck but sounds like its perceived as powerful despite what ive read on its function
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I have 28 lands very often, got other mana sources and never got mana screwed in 3-color deck.
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>>63419993
First, tell your playgroup you want to play Derevi, but just as bird tribal. When everyone groans in disgust, say "Well I was considering Atraxa as a plan B" and they're going to reluctantly accept that this is the lesser evil.
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>>63419993
They earned the reputation somehow right? If you can't handle that then pick someone else.
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>>63420114
How much 0-drop, 1-drop and 2-drop ramp? This is important.
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>>63419640
feelsbad for u fren
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I just ordered my UMA box. How much am I going to want to kill myself when my box topper is lavaclaw reaches?
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>>63420285
All the way
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I just opened my first pack and got a Noble Hierarch.
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>>63420343
>Seismic Assault
Fuck you.
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>>63420343
Is this foil any good guys?
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>>63420147
My curve is very low. 3 cos mana rock is shit according to me.
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>>63420443
Not really, but I'd be willing to part with a craw wurm for it.
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>>63420443
Worse than Back to Basics, Phyrexian Altar and Noble Hierarch. You got hosed, kill yourself.
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>>63420508
The post you're responding to very clearly omitted 3-cost rocks you precious special needs child.
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>>63406088
This guy is a great recursive engine in Horobi.
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>>63420443
Yes
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>>63420443
It's $50, so not bad at all.



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