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>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here: http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/

>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial: http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.html
It’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.

>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/.

>Resources for Older Editions
https://pastebin.com/BXSGuFdQ

Resources for Third Edition
>3E Core and Splats
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b54o6teut3fx6/Exalted_3e

>Other Ex3 Resources
https://pastebin.com/fG1mLMdu

>NPCs
https://pastebin.com/nSZLzXZ4

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What's your preference for iconic animas? Abstract representations of the celestial or elemental phenomena you're empowered by, or thematic animals made out of shining light, or something in between?
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>conscripted soldiers tearfully part with their families as they head out to war
>long lines of dutiful troops march towards the last known siting of the enemy, all under the watchful eye of one of their enemy's scouts
>making camp at the designated battleground, a shallow river that but goes up to their knees, tens of thousands of soldiers make camp, setting up tents and campfires and cooking rations while their commanders plan out the battle
>as night falls caltrops and cheval de frise are set up on the riverbanks and troops sing war chants of glory and death
>on one side of the river thousands of campfires can be seen warming tens of thousands of soldiers, but on the other side of the river there is but one campfire with a circle of Solars surrounding it
>in the morning the soldiery pass around bottles of liquid courage and set up in their positions, archers with their arrows nocked and spearmen with their shield walls formed
>the time of battle is upon them, five Solars by themselves vs tens of thousands of mortal soldiers under their mortal generals fighting for their homelands and their mortal lord
Now for the really big question. Should Ligier show up for the battle?
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>>63389774

Varies depending on the character and the situation. More intellectual/philosophical type characters usually get something pretty abstract, while more focused/get things done type characters generally get some expression of might or power.

For example, I made a sample Air aspect sorcerer to try out the DB rules and his anima is "Dark clouds with lightning forming letters in High Realm declaring his skill in sorcery."
But my Zenith caste instead gets the image of a blue-and-white dragon curling around her.
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>>63390075
without being summoned? No. Ligier can only enter Creation without being summoned when a mortal princess takes over a court while the sun sets.
That's 2e though. I hope they add little details like that when they do demons.
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>>63390277
>Second Appearance Excellency.jpeg

Also does anyone know where I can find stats and lore on Berengiere?
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>>63390075
My solar doesn't kill he fights unarmed adn always stunts for bashing.
Because is horrible to kill so many inocents.
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>>63390477
Bashing damage can kill though.
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>>63390075

How are people with high Appearance treated in the Realm? Like, an Appearance 5 mortal goes walking down the street in his hometown, what happens? What happens if it's in a place he's never been seen before?
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>>63390484
Yes but is by far the best option to avoid murdering people.
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>>63390514
probably gonna end up a concubine of a dragon blooded dynast.
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>>63390514
Well they will get stares and also be aproached for different kinds of propositions and invitations and depending on how wealty he apears to be he will receive more respect and less catcalls.
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>>63390514
>"Hey big boy, I don't wanna be too forward but how about a little 'East meets West' action at my place tonight? I'll bring a friend if I have to, don't test me."
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How do Dynast women dress? What about the men?
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>>63390755
Fashionably and fashionably.
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>>63390793
What's the current fashion in your Creation?
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>>63390755
Chines/Japanes cloting judging frpm the art with armor that seems like a mix betwen european and samurai armor.
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How powerful is Berengiere?
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>>63390798
I make the Satraps kind of do a chinese fusion with whatever I feel like a local culture would be like, but on the Blessed Isle I kind of vascillate between what I think of as 16th century Imperial China and the Roman Empire combo.

How would that look in practice? Probably trash. But describe it just a bit and let player imagination pick up some slack and it isn't half bad.
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>>63390798
Slutty
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>>63390856
How so?
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>>63390900
Tits forward. Dicks out. Strut your stuff, whatever sexy bulges you're packing.
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>>63390477
Why do you even care, they'll all reincarnate anyways.
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>>63391064
I don't know, why does one fuck? Everyone dies eventually anyways.
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>>63391415
>rectangle blade
>can't stab
strangely comfortable with it
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>>63391511
Me too but I don't know why. Any idea what culture it and the rest of these suits of weapons and armor are from?
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>>63391534
Song Dynasty China I think. Even though Exalted is massively weebish, I kind of prefer the more grounded asian themed mortal armies desu.
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>>63391534
The title is Song/Jin Armor, 12th century
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>>63391570
Thanks!
>Even though Exalted is massively weebish, I kind of prefer the more grounded asian themed mortal armies desu.
Me too, I just layer Weebish and Wuxia stuff into the Exalted parts. Most people in Creation are mortals after all.

>>63391580
Thanks to you too!
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>>63391415
What's the purpose of a rectangular sword like that?

>>63391454
How much would all that armor weigh?

>>63391570
Why's her sword got that giant spike coming off of it? And is that a second one behind her back?

>>63391599
Is that a bow with a shield built in??

>>63391608
Is she carrying extra swords in her saddlebag?

>>63391615
What's the purpose of that giant fan on the horse?

>>63391621
No questions here, but all this art is freaking amazing.
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I love this artist, sadly their historical art is fairly recent, there are much more of girls with modern guns on the pixiv
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=877588
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>>63390818
Who?
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>>63391691
The weaver of voices.
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>>63391696
Gonna need to give me a bit more then that. A demon or god I'm assuming? Could be a fair folk to with that name
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>>63391645
>Why's her sword got that giant spike coming off of it?
I assume that is designed to "catch" and stop swords being swung, making it easier to parry.
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>>63391707
She borrows people's voices and uses them to weave cloth. If you want her to, you can ask her to take your voice permanently and have it forged into something powerful, like a sword or armor.
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>>63390514
How common is appearance 5? Purely guessing, would it be 1/1000? That seems too common, it would mean a large town will have more than one app 5 person. 1/10,000 seems about right, that's about the fraction of professional athletes in the US.
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>>63391645
>Is she carrying extra swords in her saddlebag?
you can never have too many swords.
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>>63391772
I think of it this way, an Appearance 1 person is pretty much never asked out based on their looks, personality by people who know them? Sure, but not looks. A person with Appearance 2 who is averagely social probably gets invited into a relationship at least once per year. A person with Appearance 3 has to fend off an advance at least once per month. A person with Appearance 4 once per week, and an Appearance 5 person is turning people down every single day. Have you ever met someone who gets asked out daily?
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>>63391772
I go with the 50/20/5 rule.
>50% of the population is a 3
>20% is 2
>20% is 4
>5% is 1
>5% is 5
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>>63391827
Turn around 2 and 3, 2 is the common one 3 is the beautiful courtesan
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>>63391827
But 3 in an attribute is uncommon and exceptional.
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>>63391827
The human average is a 2 in this system, generally.
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>>63391875
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>>63391882
Speaking of which, in the homebrew edition I'm working on, I've decided to rule that the average adult mortal has an Attribute array of 4/3/2, so almost everyone [barring merits or flaws] has a three and a one in SOMETHING. One of your siblings is funnier than the others, one is healthier, one is more quick-witted etc.
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>>63391875
>>63391880
>>63391882
Okay, new system.
>20% are 1
>40% are 2
>25% are 3
>10% are 4
>5% are 5
If it sounds like I'm making too many people have a level 5 appearance, that's because I've never seen nor imagined a woman, real or fictional, that was so beautiful that I was infatuated with her, so I have a hard time believing such a thing is possible.
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>>63391927
>If it sounds like I'm making too many people have a level 5 appearance, that's because I've never seen nor imagined a woman, real or fictional, that was so beautiful that I was infatuated with her, so I have a hard time believing such a thing is possible
That makes no sense. By that logic you should be saying there were fewer Appearance 5 girls.
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>>63391947
I guess if a level 5 appearance is both impossible for any human in real life to ever achieve and also impossible for any human artist to every draw both in 2D or 3D format and impossible for the human mind to even imagine, then yes, a level 5 Appearance would be exceptionally rare. Like, one in a trillion. But instead I'll just choose to make my criteria for what counts as Appearance 5 a little lower than what I'd usually expect.
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>>63391971
I'd put Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman at Appearance 5 I think. 4 naturally, 5 with the make up and outfit.
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>>63391989
Yeah, I guess if Gal Gadot is the bar for Appearance 5 then I'd put them at about 3% of the population or so. But this is all just kind of guesswork anyways since preferences will vary from person to person.
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>>63392027
I'd say maybe a tenth of a percent. I've walked past hundreds of people in a city without spotting a girl that fine.
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>>63392058
I'm pretty sure it's impossible for any 3D woman to rise above a 3 at best desu
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>>63392078
As someone who has personally had a 5s boobs squished up against his back. They absolutely can my dude.
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Appearance 5 should be like .01% at most

3e defines a 5 as this
>The character’s Attribute is at the apex of human potential— it’s the stuff of legend! The character is a serious contender for world’s strongest man, a once-in-a-generation genius, or a born leader whose charisma will change the course of history.

That should tell you how rare and exceptional it is
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>>63392027
>Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman
>Appearance 5

What the FUCK kind of standards are you using here?
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>>63392110
you couldn't have chosen more unrelated image to go with that post
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>>63392340
It's an accurate representation of my internal expression at the time.
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>>63392268
The problem is I can't think of a single person, living or dead, real or fictional, who lives up to those standards. Sure, I've seen books SAY that a woman is supernaturally beautiful, but I've never actually seen a girl who is that beautiful.
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>>63391772
Exalted really doesn't function when you try to simulate Creation (in the simulationist sense). Realistically App 5 is for Named people (I.e. not Extras) of great beauty in your Chronicle. It's not like D&D demographics where they go "5% of people in a village have Warrior levels" but rather more like a play or TV show where narratively important people are heroic mortals not because of percentages but because they aren't bit parts in the production.
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>>63392360
How many people are at the level of intelligence of Hawking or Einstein?
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>>63392696
0.0032% of people, so about 240,960 people worldwide.
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>>63390818
I don't think she's all that powerful in combat, but she can weave all kinds of useful and unusual fabrics from voices, including artifact clothing.
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Which is more interesting, Abyssal taught by Lunars, or a Solar taught by Fae?
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>>63393805
Depends how either is handled, they both can be interesting or borring.
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>>63391064
Source on these?
Didn't find anything with google image search.
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Can a god come into being from worship of something that doesn't exist?
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>>63393984
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=71513251
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>>63393986
No.
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>>63393986
Yes if humans invent a new concept a god will be born to represent the it.
But it will be a minor god until the new concept spreads.
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>>63391645
>What's the purpose of a rectangular sword like that?
It's an executioner's sword. At least, the Euro version of it is. It's a tool rather than a weapon, meant to be handled two-handed and specially weighted to behead a target in one swing.
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>>63395440
but that's the thing, a concept exists as soon as a human starts believing in it.
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>>63390514
Why would it be any different than how pretty people are treated in real life? Favorably by those who desire them, poorly by the jealous.
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>>63391989
Gal Gadot was barely attractive enough to pass as Wondie and you have shit tastes if you think that big beaked skeeze is app 5.
Prime Lynda Carter who had a ridiculously ideal figure and gorgeous face was MAYBE a four. Maybe.
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>>63395674
Yes and thats when the god is born, why do you think thete is so many unemployed gods ib Yu-shan?
People invent a consept and just a few people know about it or its forgoten and the god dies.
It is a mess.
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The new exemplary Dragonbloods look like they came out of tumblr.
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>>63395987
do you have pictures of them?
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>>63396282
Here
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>>63396429
The fire aspect and earth aspect look weird, but the other three look fine.
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>>63396468
id argue they all look shitty
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So, my dragonblooded campaign is doing a thing where we all are in charge of our own kingdoms, with a sort of official alliance between each other so it's more like one kingdom with five different culturally distinct regions. I'm working on mine right now, we're in the south-east and I'm torn between doing something Roman or Egyptian themed, leaning slightly more towards the latter. Any suggestions for how to make it interesting, and not just not!Egypt, like how Lookshy is partly based off Rome/Japan/Sparta but isn't just them but slapped into Exalted? Right now I'm thinking about a tradition of riding claw striders, coming from old nomadic roots when they left the southern deserts during the contagion.
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>>63396606
Egypt would be somewhat original, although if you did choose the Roman one you'd have to choose between the republic and the empire.
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>>63396429
Didn't they say they were getting new art for them?
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>>63396606
you can exaggerate existing things about egypt, e.g. exaggerate their wonderbuilding to the point where they just constantly dickmeasure to build the biggest most wasteful things, like, sure those things work but damn. As an upside your people are actually fucking nice at building big structures.
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>>63396606
One of the unique things real life ancient Egypt had was the way they venerated their important dead people. The veneration of the dead already has good model in Exalted in the ancestor cults, so a Dragon-Blooded ruler of an Egypt-based civilization could have Allies, Retainers or Contacts in the form of an advisory council of necrosage priests who know how to confer with the ghosts of ancient kings.
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>>63396747
I hope so
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Ignoring the garbo representation of Nexus so far in the games, what would /your/ ideal Nexus look like?
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>>63397549
A FUCKING SLUM
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>>63396606
In line with what >>63397512 was saying, have it so that all of your mortal retainers and servants are sacrificed to you when you die, so that you can have them as ghost slaves in the underworld.
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Is it quiet because everyone is watching the Finnish independence party?
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>>63395987
We know and I agree they look like shit.

Though its oddly appropriate that they look like they come from tumblr considering the contents of the book.
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>>63395830
>why do you think thete is so many unemployed gods ib Yu-shan?
Because a whole lot of things were destroyed or rendered irrelevant in the Balorian Crusade. That's the primary reason. I don't think there's any piece of fluff claiming that there's a constant influx of new gods.
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>>63396567
You are, of course, free to argue that.
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>>63398675
I'm Finnish, and even I'm not watching the President's Independence Day Reception.
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>>63398728
Neither am I, honestly.
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Hey tg. Playester here. Ask me yes/no questions about Lunars and I'll answer them (probably)

Exclusive for y'all.
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>>63398916
Do DBs have a prayer of taking on Lunars, mathematically?
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>>63390755
some lore says that gowns that come undone at the pull of a single string are favored
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>>63398916
I don't believe you, but on the off chance: Is the document you were given just charms/mechanics and they're working on the fluff separate or is it both?
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>>63398970
Yeah
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>>63399020
It is just a mechanical playtest.
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>>63398685
Heh true...
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>>63398693
Yes there is, new gods are created all the time for anything new including concepts,objects and places.
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>>63398916
Is there any way for Lunars to change into spirit shape?
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>>63399280
Nope. Humans and animals only. (Pretty sure Vance already said as much in ask the Devs, too)
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>>63398916
Is the regen tank build still possible?
Can a Lunar use his native charms with martial arts charms?
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>>63399469
Yes and yes.
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>>63399177
I don't feel like going through all the Exalted books ever published, but I recently read the portions of Exalted: the Sidereals describing Yu-Shan, and that book at least explicitly stated that both births and deaths of gods are rare and exceptional events. There might be something conflicting that in other books, of course.
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>>63399643
Finally found it
In previous editions it worked a bit different, when that new concept was thought of a new god was indeed created, but it was a least god. There's a least god for every individual blade of grass, they're so small they might as well not exist. Something you and I would recognize as a god in the exalted term only really comes into being when their domain becomes important
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>>63399940
And the other bit
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>>63399940
But that is what I was refering to, least gods, they are born all the time and they are gods not powerfull but gods none the least.
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>>63392360
>The problem is I can't think of a single person, living or dead, real or fictional, who lives up to those standards
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>>63398728
Whatever you say, Jarmo.
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>>63396468
I want the water aspect to be my waifu.
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>>63400668
3 maybe 4 depends
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>>63400952
Thats a man
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>>63401211
don't care has tits
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>>63401232
And a huge dick, enjoy
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>>63399371
3e ruining things once again
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>>63401305
.e v e n b e t t e r
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>>63400668
I'd give her a 3 at best.
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Seeing as to how Exalted is basically a setting where a small percentage of the population gets to live in a shonen anime while the rest live normal lives, should the aesthetics reflect that?
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Are mice of the sun considered familiars, if so 2 dot or more?
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>>63399371
Once again evidence of how 3e hates fun and cool things.
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If Golden Janissary works well against Creatures of Darkness like demons, why doesn't it do that against Lunars and Solars?
-worried dynast, asking for a cousin who's starting to lose faith I think
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>>63402328
Everyone knows that the Solars are demons who stole fragments of the Unconquered Sun's power through dark sorceries, and that's why Golden Janissary doesn't work on them and why they evoke themes of the Sun. Besides, the Mouth of Peace is directly tied to Heaven, so if they really were the Unconquered Sun's Champions like they claim to be, why doesn't he just say anything?
Seriously, this is like really well explained in the third scroll of the Immaculate texts. Were you just not paying attention in school?
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It's weird that there isn't any fluff explaining how DBs treat artifact crafters, given how many ability points go into it, you can't get the decent ability spreads that they demanded starting DBs had in 1e and 2e.
Shouldn't crafters have a special school to teach them all this stuff?
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>>63402328
Why would a dynast learn a jannisarial martial art that is basically exclusive to the south
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>>63396468
It largely depends on who is drawing what.

Here's Mel Uran drawing the Earth Aspect, for example
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>>63402526
Always useful to learn something new. Maybe he took a bit of a pilgrimage down there to hone his skills?
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>>63402459
I believe the heptagam covers at least bits of magical artifice.
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>>63402409
Name the learned Dynasts and monks know Solars and Lunars are Exalted, they just go mad because the sun's/moon's power is too great for mortals.
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>>63402669
>Name
Naw*
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>>63402669
No, very few DBs (like Mnemon) know the Solars/Lunars are Exalted.
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>>63402620
Not all crafters are sorcerers, though. Maybe the best crafters get a stint in the Heptagram (once they've proven themselves) to learn the basics of sorcery, but I doubt that every crafter goes through there.
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>>63402747
Well a craftsman that isn't making artifacts (and wonders if you go by that 3e gay shit) is just a mortal laborer
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>>63403001
Huh, I didn't know that. I was still operating on 2e knowledge. Thanks for the update.
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>>63402980
>>63402989
>>63403001
Ah come on man, I was hoping to see what sort of reasoning people here could come up with.
It was an interesting question.
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>>63403006
You don't need to know sorcery to craft artifacts. You only need to have Lore 3, Occult 3, Craft (appropriate) 4, and dots in Craft (artifacts).
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>>63402970
>of a sort whose power inevitably drives them to hubris and madness
Yes, because the Terrestrials have proved to be so much better in that regard. I swear to the gods whoever thought it was wise to put the exalts in charge was a fucking retard.
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>>63403059
That would be the Unconquered Sun (though technically he only put Merela in charge).
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>>63402747
I know, they don't have to be. I just recall that place handling some of that anyways. Not all attendees are sorcerers to begin with
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>>63392360
>The problem is I can't think of a single person, living or dead, real or fictional, who lives up to those standards.

Humans in Exalted have a much higher cap than real-life humans. Even a Mortal in Exalted can be blatantly superhuman by our real-life standards with a mere 4 in an ability/attribute, nevermind a 5.
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>>63403361
SKR pls go.
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>>63403086
>though technically he only put Merela in charge
>2e
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What's your favorite martial art and why?
Hard mode: what custom gambits would you allow mortal practitioners to use for it?
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>>63403762
Hard mode: No charms, but each MA style gives you a bonus. For example, Snake style might give you a slight bonus to attacking enemies who have lower initiative than you. Spend 1wp to combo two MA styles for a scene, gaining both their benefits.
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>>63403762
Ebon Shadow seems to be both fun and be really good at its niche. Not that my Night caste has ever gotten into a fight.
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>>63403762
Immaculate Water Dragon, I really like the blurred offense and defense, the weird mote and essence tricks, and find it visually easy to stunt for.

Though Earth Dragon does canonically include Kirk's hilarious double hand hammer blow fighting style in as a favored type of strike which is fucking hilarious, and what's not to love about Righteous Devil two fisting flames?
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>>63403762
Well, if such a thing were to exist, I suppose I would like the White Veil Style. Of course, no such martial art style does exist, so it cannot possibly be my favorite.
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>>63404108
Then tell us your favorite of styles that do exist instead of your nonsensical drivel.
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>>63403415
SKR?

The Pathfinder guy?
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>>63399012
I'm interested. Go on.
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>>63391511
What's the name of that sort of sword?
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>>63406122
Executioners Sword. Designed for the decapitation of condemned criminals as opposed to combat.
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>>63406220
Why's she carrying it into battle then?
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>>63403762
I don't know much about gambits, but I think I'd rule martial arts as being like a 2E Intimacy, a rating from 1-5 that they can add as dice a number of times equal to the rating and at the cost of one willpower to a Martial Arts roll involving the weapons and/or motions of the martial art [e.g. Crane Style 3 would let you add 3 dice to a hook sword attack or roll 3 dice and add the successes to your parry DV against a single attack, Snake Style 4 would let you pop 4 dice on an attack from stealth etc.]
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>>63406290

She's also carrying a long handed flail. The armor isn't nearly as extensive either. I don't think she's going into an actual battle so much as carrying out guard duty of some kind.
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>>63406377
The fuck's a DV?
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>>63406506
Duck Value. Very important
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>>63398970

Barely
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>>63398970
>>63399027
>>63406868
Are we talking lorewise, or in combat?
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>>63406963

I'm not him.

Lorewise Lunars are dangerous monsters, meant to be put down with a group of will trained dragonblooded with losses expected.

Crunchwise Lunars are pretty damn good, a hair below Solars. My issue is that Dragonblooded lack the tools to properly challenge Lunars without it turning into a slog let alone Solars.

And combining MA with Lunars. Combining Crane with easy native access to defense boosting charms and charms to quickly and easily get rid of its weaknesses and make it even more of a slog to fight. Brilliant.
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>>63403022
I always hated how you needed to buy up 4 different skills just be able to actually use Craft. Are there any RPGs that do crafting well? I remember the Exalted Devs said they couldn't find any, I'm skeptical.
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>>63407734
I don't know much about different RPGs, but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was no. It's difficult to balance the amount of effort needed with the results.
I'd probably homebrew it as Craft being one ability, with you taking a -2 penalty unless you have an appropriate specialty(and the specialty doesn't give you a bonus die). Artifacts would no longer require Occult 3, Lore 3, but First Age artifacts would keep their many requirements.
Might add on some requirements for Manses and Artifact 5s.
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>>63389774
https://youtu.be/WzegxQA_w88?t=464
>Exalted done right
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>>63407964
I do about the same, make Craft works the same as lore. First age artifice requires lore, infrastructure, and either blueprints or reverse engineering. Manses and large artifacts require large amounts of labor which usually require bureaucracy. One thing I did which I think is clever is not require the skills to all be on the crafter. You can have three people working on the same project as the architect, engineer, and foreman.
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>>63408074
Isn't Gods of the Fall *already* a Cypher System game with Exalted's premise?

Like, even more than this game.
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>>63408074
>Implying this isn't what peak Exalted performance looks like
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>>63408074
>Laser lances from t-rexes right on the cover
Immediately discarded. There were already much much better games if that's the sort of thing I ever wanted
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>>63408476
Like what? Warhammer?
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>>63408476

>Grr! I hate fun!
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>>63409399
Exalted was never about Tyrannosaurs in F-16s, the meme was stupid.
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>>63408074
>Exalted done right
Largely depends on what your view of Exalted is and is supposed to be.
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>>63409440
Again, Gods of the Fall is already a Cypher System rpg about divine heroes.

A game about advanced civilizations living amongst dinosaurs is while certainly a thing Exalted did ,especially in the First Age, it is not exactly central to Exalted.
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>>63408074
>cypher
Believe it or not I didn't come to exalted for it's power level. I came because I've encountered no other game with the breadth of mechanical options that exalted has. If the cypher system happens to get a fully developed social system at any point then we can talk
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>>63409727
I feel like if Exalted is supposedly supposed to be about having an over the top "power level" then it falls far short of the mark. But I also don't think it's supposed to be about that.
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>>63403361
So basically, no human woman on Earth has ever gotten past Appearance 3, and the only known examples of Appearance 4 women are 2D waifus.
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>>63410036
The bigger issue is that beauty is subjective.
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>>63409418
No one says it was dude, he's saying you're picking a stupid hill to die on.
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>>63409727
I came to it under the understanding that it's appeal was that you could basically play anyone at any power level, mortal, DB, Solar, Lunar, Sidereal, demons, gods, ghosts etc. as protagonists and antagonists and the story was based on the stunning scope of its setting the myriad interactions between all these different peoples.
But apparently that's badwrongfun everything has to be about solars and all the other splats [the vastly overwhelming majority of the game] are add ons. Fuck Holden.
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>>63410192
What?

They were never add-ons in 3E. 3E has been the kindest to Dragonblooded out of any edition thus far.
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>>63410192
Exalted has a really weird relationship with power levels. It combines eastern and western themes about superpowers in a way that, depending on your perspective, is either interesting and fun or discordant and doesn't work. See, in a lot of eastern genres focused on superpowers you have those powers being gained from hard work and determination, through training and experience a man can rise from a weak person to shooting fireballs out of his hands and making the earth shake with his punches. Western superpowered genres tend to focus more on your innate abilities, you're either born with your powers or you're gifted them by some benefactor.

Here's where things get weird, Exalted does both. Exalts themselves start out fairly weak, they need to train and gain experience in order to become more powerful, and even though they learn things and improve much faster reaching Essence 10 is still gonna take a lot of hard work and a ton of determination. Except, here's the rub, it's literally impossible if you are a mortal. You need to be gifted by the gods in order to ever reach such power, which is kind of a weird combination. You aren't so much gifted with superpowers in Exalted, so much as you are gifted with the ability to train to become better. And gaining the ability to train to become better is not something you can earn either, there's only 700 people in the world capable of reaching their maximum potential and the criteria for why they're given that gift is quite arbitrary and random. Whether this is a problem with the setting, or an intended feature of the game, is up to personal interpretation.
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>>63410192
I don't know what you're talking about. The only option I can imagine that's getting taken away is maybe jadeborn and dragon kings, and even them I imagine they'll get around to eventually. Hell the old devs off handedly mentioned that they once had plans on making gods playable somehow
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>>63398916
Can lunars get xboxhuge numbers on feat of strength rolls?
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>>63410242
>>63410525

I'm not talking about powerlevels or things getting removed guys. What I'm saying is that Holden specifically has openly said that he considers every playable thing bar solars an add-on. As if the entirety of the game is about playing solars.
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>>63411102
Holden never said that, nor is he the lead dev anyways even if he did say that, so who still gives a fuck?
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I don't understand why people pit player characters of different splats against each other and act like the results matter.
Unless you have a cross-splat game (I've never heard of one before), and unless that devolved into PvP, it doesn't fucking matter.
Because NPCs aren't Player Characters.
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>>63411645
Some STs will fully stat particularly important antagonists. At which point fights against them *are* essentially PvP if the ST elects not to fudge anything.
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>>63411645
how well balanced splats are against each other is a very good indicator of how much golden dick the devs are sucking
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Does Neighborhood Relocation Dodge thing affect maps that include the place you're dodging with?
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>>63409399
No, anon. This might come as a bit of a shock, but different people find different things fun. There is literally no one who doesn't wan Exalted to be fun, except perhaps for people who relly dislike Exalted and just want to see it fail. There are plenty of people who don't find the silliest extremes of 2E fun at all, though.
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>>63411645
Different types of Celestials should be able to work in the same party, and how they compare to each other definitely matter. I don't think cross-splat games are all that rare, either.
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If you were to summon a servant from FSN then say, how many motes you had to spend a day to keep the servant alive?
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>>63412720
It would just be a ritual summoning. They would have their own mote pool.
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>>63412903
I believe in FSN servants have to be continually fed magic to survive in reality or something like that, especially if they use their magic powers. So I would infact not give them regenerating motes, they have to be replenished by you.
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>>63412921
But that doesn't matter, because you're talking about how magic works in *their* setting.
They got summoned here, in Creation. Thus they would work by Creation standard now. So no feeding motes, they'll have their own mote pool and a binding that they will follow.
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>>63411645
people that descend into that sort of circle jerking are people who don't have a group and have to self invent reasons to roll dice so they can tell themselves they play exalted.
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Not even void circle necromancy could do something with this dead game.
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>>63414184
Then why are you still here? Just to suffer?
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>>63411658
I always stat out important NPCs like PCs and never fudge the dice (regardless of system). I think its important my players know that the spectre of death and defeat looms every time they take to battle. They don't have plot armour just because they're the protagonists.
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>>63414286
>never fudge the dice
Is this something that people actually do in Exalted? Are people's power fantasy circlejerks so strong that even with the bullshit amounts of power granted to them by the exalted setting they still aren't satisfied?
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>>63414537
this is an universal gm thing, done for all kinds of reasons bad and good
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>>63414537
GMs fudge dice in all kinds of systems, for all kinds of reasons, and not always to make things easier for the players.
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So the Realm is basically the late French Kingdom, and Lookshy is basically Sparta.
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>>63414830
I think there are a couple parallels:
* The Shogunate/Realm after Big Red becomes the Scarlet Empress is China after Qin becomes the Emperor
* The Realm during the coming civil war is Romance of the Three Kingdoms era China
* The Realm is Achaemenid Empire era Persia in terms of its vast influence
* Lookshy as Sparta is actually a great parallel because just like during the Second Persian Invasion of Greece they get most of the credit in pop-history, but most of the credit really lies with the Scavenger Lands alliance / Pan-hellenic alliance's actions, not just theirs.
* Lookshy as Taiwan to contemporary China.
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>>63415066
The Realm really doesn't seem to share all that many similarities with China other than aesthetics. The governmental systems, culture, and policies just don't match.
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>>63415134
Actually the Immaculate Philosophy is explicitly a critique of Legalism, just a little more naked about the behaviour it wants to instill.
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>>63415134
They're definitely pretty Chinese, but they definitely mix in some feudal Europe in there as well.
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>>63415256
It combines the government systems of Europe with the cultural ideas of China. The setting as a whole is mostly based off of western ideas, but there are a few eastern ideas to act as window dressing and spice things up a bit.
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>>63415134
I dunno, I think the Realm's centralized buraucracy resembles Imperial China quite a bit.
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A religion book might be happening?
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>>63415906
I'd be interested in a softcover about the major religions and cults out there but when there's so much else to do it might be better to fold that info in with other books.
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>>63415256
>feudal Europe
Why specifically feudal Europe? I mean, the Realm is a pretty centralized state. The ruler has a standing army of her own instead of relying on vassals during war. The Great Houses don't have their own fiefs, and the prefectures of the Blessed Isle are governed by appointed career bureaucrats rather than hereditary noblemen. The whole system seems very much not-feudal to me.
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>>63415652
But the aristocratic nature of the Realm is very much not like China. China for most of its history didn't rely on nobility, but rather some form of meritocracy or another to determine who would be a government bureaucrat. Heck, they've had the civil service exam way back since the Han Dynasty. The Realm far more resembles the late French Kingdom than it does ancient China, it has (or at least had) a powerful centralized rulership, a legislature which was ineffective and mostly just existed to approve whatever the nobility wanted, and it had an aristocratic rather than meritocratic or democratic system of governance.
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Did the Great Contagion kill 90% of the Terrestrial population as well? What about the Lunar population?
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>>63415906
Honestly it would be nice to have. In a more broad sense I'd really love some more "Here's what's different about Creation and some major societies compared to real-life, contemporary, western society." commentary.

Manacle and Coin talks about how slavery in Creation is not like the trans-atlantic slave trade that most people think of when slavery comes up, and abolitionism basically doesn't exist outside of some revolutionaries who use Nexus' laws (and also raiding) to free slaves from caravans.

The other big thing would how hugely prevalent ancestor worship and how praying to local gods can very easily be more business transaction than piety (admittedly the word 'praying' is heavily loaded toward piety, which makes it easy for people to assume that).
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>>63416928
>Heck, they've had the civil service exam way back since the Han Dynasty.
Sure, but from what I recall aristocracy still played an important part at that point. Bureucrats became more prominent and aristocrats less so as time went on, sure, but the 2000 years of Imperial Chinese history also included centuries where aristocrats played an important part.
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>>63417047
>Did the Great Contagion kill 90% of the Terrestrial population as well?

Yes, it's why there aren't Shogunate daimyos all over Creation still. As for Lunars, it probably killed some but some Lunars would have had Celestial wellness charms (I guess it'd be wrong to say Medicine charms since they don't have ability charms) to heal themselves and others. So some would have been able to save themselves, their allies, and their domains while others died and their Exaltations had to find a new champion.
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>>63417089
>Manacle and Coin talks about how slavery in Creation is not like the trans-atlantic slave trade that most people think of when slavery comes up, and abolitionism basically doesn't exist outside of some revolutionaries who use Nexus' laws (and also raiding) to free slaves from caravans.
What?
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>>63417089
>Manacle and Coin talks about how slavery in Creation is not like the trans-atlantic slave trade
I'm pretty sure they showed a list of "acceptable slave races" at one point
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>>63417351
Was catgirls one of them?
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Possibly, beastmen catgirls do exist, and beastmen are often treated as second class citizens or worse (when they aren't outright killed on sight). That being said, don't expect her to have a lot of personality, a lot of slaves of all stripes are sold to the Fair Folk for feeding. The Fair Folk get to feast on their emotions, and the slavers get to take back the slave (who will now never fight back or escape) when they are done with them, it's a win-win.
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>>63390809
For whatever reason, armor form the peroid of the Dragonblooded Shogunate really did follow japanese asthetics. Lookshy kept the asthetic, while the realm moved on to the European look. But it would not be absurd, or even comment worthy, for a young Dragon Blood to be wearing an old suit of Shogunate ere artifact armor, since artifacts become family herilooms.
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>>63417351
I'd be interested to see it. The Slavery chapter of M&C is like 30 pages and includes both a "Typical captives" sidebar which describes what makes a high-value slave and a fair bit about how people become enslaves (PoW, punishment of criminals, debt slavery, contractual slavery, etc.) In fact the chapter leads with:

"In the world of Exalted, the racism we associate with the transatlantic slave trade of our world does not exist. Except for the obvious divide between the Exalted and the unExalted of the Realm, there is no racist ideology that permeates the slave trade during the Second Age of Man. Slavers can be of the same ethnic background as their victims or of wildly different ethnic backgrounds. Many of Creation’s inhabitants dislike foreigners and are apt to enslave them, but with the exception of Wyld-taint, physical appearance creates little prejudice. The Guild, the Fair Folk and the Realm don’t discriminate either. Slavery is a social condition, not an ethnic one."
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>>63417430
>That being said, don't expect her to have a lot of personality, a lot of slaves of all stripes are sold to the Fair Folk for feeding. The Fair Folk get to feast on their emotions, and the slavers get to take back the slave (who will now never fight back or escape) when they are done with them, it's a win-win.
While that is definitely a thing that happens, the vast, vast majority of slaves haven't had their emotions deocured by the Fair Folk. A slave is more likely than not to have a full, proper, though quite possibly fucked up by a lifetime by abuse personality.
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>>63417535
>deocured
Or if you want a more comprehensible version of that, devoured.
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>>63417089
>The other big thing would how hugely prevalent ancestor worship and how praying to local gods can very easily be more business transaction than piety (admittedly the word 'praying' is heavily loaded toward piety, which makes it easy for people to assume that).
That has precedent - the Romans treated worship as a business transaction
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>>63417524
I can understand why they didn't make the slavery based on race, but what I don't understand is why they moved away from chattel slavery. Most of the slavery in the setting is involuntary and undeserved anyways, hell, you can be unwillingly sacrificed and have your ghost enslaved forever, so what's wrong with having many or even most slaves be born into it?
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>>63416928
The Realm is still very much a meritocracy by its own standards. By the Immaculate Philosophy, exaltation IS merit. If you exalt, you are physically, mentally, socially and spiritually superior to literally everyone who doesn't, either due to personal enlightenment or multiple lifetimes' worth of spiritual refinement. It doesn't matter if you weren't born into nobility. By dint of your spiritual merit, you're nobility now. Imperial (and modern) China was (and still is) also very much about personal connection network and maintaining social capital. An idiot loser who knows and is owed favors by a lot of important and powerful people is higher on the social totem pole than a genius who's never done anything for anyone. The aristocracy of the Realm is just an extension of that. Of course the children of the Empress are more important than other people. Look at who their mom was. It's not the doctrine of natural law that deems the heads of the Dragon-Blooded houses as the most powerful people outside of the Scarlet Throne itself. It's the fact that their mom fucking founded the thing.
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>>63417784
>By the Immaculate Philosophy, exaltation IS merit
I guess from their own perspective that would be correct. I guess I just have a tendency to assume that the people in Creation know what they're talking about, so I tend to forget that most of them hold on to blatantly false beliefs like the Immaculate Philosophy.
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>>63417556
Honestly most of Exalted's societies are very much a pastiche of various real world, ancient civilizations. For me that's what really helps keep Exalted real and grounded despite the spirits and demons and magic. You can point at the way any given society behaves or reacts, and point at the real-world equivalent.

>>63417535
It really depends on the slave's role. Farm or mine slaves are absolutely fucked by the hard labour and dangerous working conditions. House slaves, like cleaning people, still have hard work to do but are far less exposed to danger. Skilled or trained slaves like concubines, doctors, and tutors generally have a pretty cushy standard of living in whichever society they've been enslaved. In some societies they can even expect to be paid a stipend and eventually buy their own freedom, or be manumitted (though I don't believe the Realm allows slaves to buy their own freedom, they do allow Dynasts to free up to five slaves a year or something).
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>>63417812
I think that's one of the things I like about the Immaculate Philosophy. It's an entirely fabricated religion that's meant to prop up the rule of the Dragonblooded at the expense of the serfs and slaves beneath them, essentially justifying all their depredations and excise on the Threshold. At the same time it's very often the sole force in Creation that tells Exalts and Spirits they have to treat people well and uphold their side of the bargain. Like sure the Immaculate monk that comes through your podunk town occasionally might be forcing you to worship according to the Immaculate Calendar of Prayer and cracking down on ancestor worship but he's also one of the few people who genuinely cares or can help when a god starts extorting worship from your people.
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>>63417524
>"In the world of Exalted, the racism we associate with the transatlantic slave trade of our world does not exist. Except for the obvious divide between the Exalted and the unExalted of the Realm, there is no racist ideology that permeates the slave trade during the Second Age of Man. Slavers can be of the same ethnic background as their victims or of wildly different ethnic backgrounds. Many of Creation’s inhabitants dislike foreigners and are apt to enslave them, but with the exception of Wyld-taint, physical appearance creates little prejudice. The Guild, the Fair Folk and the Realm don’t discriminate either. Slavery is a social condition, not an ethnic one."
Yeah I'm going to call Bullshit. More realistically there would be a mixture of different types of slavery. Plus their American centric bias is showing by thinking ethnicity is based solely on skin color.
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>>63418762
I don't think it's really possible to call bullshit on that anon, the developers are the ones who get to determine how the game is. Although admittedly by this point the game is an absolute clusterfuck of opposing ideas and themes which don't really fit together anymore, and I have no idea just what the hell they want their game to be.
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>>63417988
The Immaculate Philosophy isn't entirely fabricated. What it is instead is built out of real First Age philosophizing about the natural order, but the Sidereals and ancient Dragon-Blooded who were in on it scribbled out Solars and wrote the DB in as princes of the earth, and tied existing myths and philosophizing about the Imacculate Dragons. That's probably what let it spread and take deep root all over Creation in the Shogunate. It has plenty of validity and legacy to it, but the Princes of the Earth are written in and the expanded Anathema bit is fabricated. Enough truth in a lie to make the whole thing easier to swallow.
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>>63391772
App 5 is Helen of Troy levels. You are not a normal person with App 5. You are some famed beauty that has likely attracted the attention of several elements, both fantastical or not. You're the caged nightingale of a powerful monarch against your will, you're the graven idol that is the face of a death cult to which men give their lives, you're the favored wife of a local God who dotes on you, you're the cumrag of a sadistic crimelord who stole you and keeps you locked up in his rape dungeon until he can skin you and make a cape out of you.

Theres no "common" when it comes to 4's and 5's, no percentages. You're supposed to be someone of note with stats like that.
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>>63417567
>why they moved away from chattel slavery

Where did they do that? The treatment of slaves as total property with no rights is certainly the view the Guild holds. The Immaculate Order espouses that masters are responsible to be just and fair towards their slaves, but the actuality is that Dynastic society doesn't give a shit what you do with your slaves as long as it isn't so outrageous as to bring dishonour on your House. The second half of chattel slavery, children being born into it, is the default behavior of Creation. M&C notes that contractual slavery is the only one where the children of slaves are not slaves themselves: "Unlike regular slavery, the children of contracted slaves are free persons." In conclusion, chattel slavery is the most common mode of slavery in Creation, outside of Nexus.

>you can be unwillingly sacrificed and have your ghost enslaved forever
Only if you allow it, you can and most human sacrifices elect to pass into Lethe. To quote "Exalted - The Abyssals": "Human sacrifices feel the same attraction to Lethe at the moment of death and after it — and they are free to answer that call — but if they resist, they become ghostly servants in their owner’s panoply. This is one reason why large funerals for wealthy princes often involve dozens or hundreds of such sacrifices — only a handful will actually materialize in the Underworld as ghosts."
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>>63402558
>needs magic to discern whats going on behind a fucking paper screen
Jesus Christ Dragonblooded, what are you even doing?
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>>63419433
>expecting a Terrestrial to not be overly reliant on their superpowers instead of basic common sense
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>>63419433
Its the Wisdom problem from Mage. Sure you can use your magic for literally anything you want, but when you use your cosmic dick powers to see through a paper screen instead of just listening aren't you basically being a wasteful dick?

That's no the lesson of Hesiesh at all!
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>>63418871
I just want Lunars to be out so I can finally decide to leave. I've come to the conclusion what I want Exalted to be is not what 3e wants to be. Plus I'm sick of the SJW shit invading everything around me.
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>>63419653
Exalted has had a good runtime but it's pretty clear that it's probably not going to get a 4th edition, and to be honest I'm fine with that. Even way back in the first edition I felt that the concept Exalted was going for was a good idea, but the execution was fundamentally flawed at the core. I don't think Exalted really can be "fixed" per se, because White Wolf is far too used to making games that are nothing like Exalted and unfortunately they dragged many of the tropes and cliches that they used in their other settings into the game, but they simply don't fit.
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>>63390075
Yes, anon. Do it. I NEED to hear this result.
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>>63419716
>Exalted has had a good runtime but it's pretty clear that it's probably not going to get a 4th edition, and to be honest I'm fine with that.
I'm pretty much accepted the same thing. Unless someone buys the IP because they love Exalted or a group of fans decide to do it unofficially on their own Exalted will die with 3e. I mean it may get a 4e/reboot decades down the line but I won't care by then.
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>>63419747
We'll see in the 3rd edition, 2nd edition has very specific rules for Ligier appearing which >>63390100 listed. It is a bit of a shame, demons may not exactly be on the side of humanity but I'm a fan of the underdog, and it's impossible not to respect any mortal with the big brass balls it takes to challenge an exalt.
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How do demons gain entry into Creation? Besides being summoned of course.
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>>63419798
No, that's not the only way for him to slip through.

Summoning: (Obscurity 1/5) As befits his station and power, Ligier is one of the hardest demons to summon and bind via sorcery. Yet, sometimes as it rises or sets, the solar disc inexplicably flashes green and Ligier is briefly drawn to the side of a remarkable mortal without the call of sorcery. Only a smith performing the masterstrokes of a perfect work of brass, a mortal prince leading his army against Exalted foes, or a blindingly beautiful queen seizing control of a court while unwed can catch his attention thus. In such cases, the Green Sun has little time before the onset of day or darkness sends him back to Malfeas.
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>>63419852
Each demon has a different condition.
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>>63419852
There are certain events they can slip through that vary from demon/race to other.
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>>63419869
Whoops, my bad. I forgot the other conditions.
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>>63419869

You've almost got to feel for the exalts who have turned up to stomp some minor borderlands Prince and, all of a sudden, Liger turns up to go 'Hey guys, what's going on here?'
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>>63419923
Losing is good for their character, it might actually teach them some humility. Besides, although the demons may be very alien in their mindset, it's kind of nice how they can understand and empathize with people who are on the very bottom of society trying to punch their way up.
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>>63420001
Yet it's a law of Hell that the strong will always rule the weak.
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>>63419716
>>63419793
Meh. I like the return to and fulfillment of 1e's promises, even better than 1e itself did. I kickstarted the last two books and I'll keep kickstarting them. Somehow I doubt the setting is going to be canned when it sells like hotcakes and has reaches 350% of its kickstarter goal. Screencap this, etc.
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Anyone got a rough estimate for when a Lunar document might be leaked?
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>>63420084
Thats really more of a law of the entire Exalted universe.
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>>63420130
It's a law of every universe, including this one.
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>>63420001
>it's kind of nice how they can understand and empathize with people who are on the very bottom of society trying to punch their way up.
I never got that feeling from Ligier. Rather it's just a good reason to harm the Exalted without supporting other Exalts.

>>63419869
>blindingly beautiful queen seizing control of a court while unwed
Like most things related to Ligier, this is a reference to Night's Master. In fact Ligier is basically an export of Azhrarn and stapled onto Malfeas as his fetich soul.
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Which would win in a fight, a 2(.5)e Solar or a 3e Solar, going by lore?
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>>63420340
2e Solar for sure.
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>>63420340
Lorewise, there's no massive discernible difference currently.
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>>63412215
The book doesn't specify, so up to you. I'd say yes since you're acting on the loom and it should reasonably cover that sort of thing, but if you want to say no so you can have ancient maps depicting the way things used to be then by all means
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>>63420340
At what Essence?
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>>63420130
yeah but I mean like, an actually written-down-into-a-book-of-laws law.
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>>63402328
Golden Janissary is kind of frowned upon by the Immaculate Order. Officially because the golden flames it produces are seen as suspiciously Anathema-like. The real reason is probably because it brings up that exact question.
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>>63423656
Define 'frowned upon' though. The books are infuriatingly vague about this sort of thing. Frowned upon doesn't give me any useful information to how they treat a Golden Janissary. Is there finger-wagging? Grudging respect? Are they tortured? Crucified? Tortured THEN crucified??? Does it make a difference if they're Dragon Blooded or not? What if they're Dragon Blooded but not from the Realm?? It's questions like that and "What happens if a Shikari teaches an Immaculate martial art to their Wyld Hunter offspring" that I would really appreciate more details on.
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>>63390514
I tend to go with Appearance 5 is like the top 1 percent of models in all of human history. They could walk down the street and get a king offering to give them mansion, Enough money to last 300 years and their own bodyguard force all for becoming their concubine or wive.
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>>63423782
That's appearance 6.
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>>63423656
>Golden Janissary is kind of frowned upon by the Immaculate Order.
Not anymore in 3e. Now it's *taught* by the Immaculate Order to Dragonblooded shikari to better facilitate the BTFOing of rogue demons and undead.
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>>63418762
I think the idea was more to tell people to think more Roman slavery and not so much the Transatlantic trade. You'll get people wanting to enslave their hated rival tribes and shit but on average most nations probably are going not going to use the same logic used during the transatlantic.
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>>63424817
Woah, that's a big change. What's the reasoning?
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>>63425073
It's really good at kicking the shit out of demons and undead. Part of the job of Immaculate monks (and, to a lesser extent, the Dragonblooded in general) is kicking the shit out of demons and undead that are roaming around Creation. I think you can see where these two things might overlap, right?
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>>63424817
Wow, a change in fluff in 3e that makes sense, is fun, and doesn't piss anyone off?

Are there more? I mostly only ever hear about how DBs are transgender cucks now. Any other cool changes in DB lore?
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>>63425827
Yeah the one you listed
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>>63425073
I'd imagine mostly that reason didn't really make sense. Not all things associated with the solars are suddenly evil, especially when the immaculate philosophy full on admits that the unconqured sun isn't evil, the anathema just stole their power from him. Hell they still make full use of orchralium and moonsilver artifacts when they can.
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>>63426067
>especially when the immaculate philosophy full on admits that the unconqured sun isn't evil, the anathema just stole their power from him.
How does this mesh with dynasts apparently knowing that the 'anathema' are a form of Exalted?
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>>63426067
*laughing Ragara*
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>>63426157
Well that's what higher up people know, not even all Dynasts would likely know that. Those that do believe the power was simply too much for a mortal to properly control and thus is drives them mad. They are Exalted yes, and they are not evil, in fact they mighty very well deserve your pity, but they're still a danger to you, everyone you know, and the entirety of Creation.
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>>63426033
Oh shit I got cyberbullied.
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>>63426157
Quite well. They are exalted but rather then being gifted with might like the others they stole it for their own purposes in a fit of hubris and pride.
I might be getting editions mixed up though, as I also recall some lines somewhere about the idea that the unyielding perfection of the unconquered sun drove normal mortals mad in the eyes of immaculates. Think I'm getting wires crossed
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>>63425827
I think people are largely a fan of most of the new outcast dragonblood groups though I think the Forest Witches seems to have quite a few detractors. I personally am interested in finding out more about group that breeds with Rashka.

Unfortunately the devs need to include retarded SJW shit to prove how "progressive" they are and score points ruins things. Since /tg/ is like the only place people can complain about without getting instantly banned it gets brought up a lot. I shudder imaging the stupid SJW shit Lunars might include and the shitshow that will result from people complaining about it and the few SJW retards we ahve around falling over themselves to defend it.

>>63426033
He said cool ideas not shit ideas.
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>>63426514
Personally I'm looking forward to more SJW stuff in Lunars. Shit, I'll be kickstarting it. It always gets the tears flowing in these threads.
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>>63426575
How nice because I won't be spending money because of the SJW shit.

Just remember you're on the wrong side of history
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>>63426735
I'm pretty sure he's doing it to get a rise out of you, don't be so edgy
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Can you see from the Loom if someone's Exalted?
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>>63426449
Learned savants and higher Immaculates know that Solars and Lunars are Exalted by sun and moon, it's just that their power is too much for mortals and drives them crazy eventually.
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>>63426514
Forest Witches aren't new. They're a 1E thing.
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>>63427442
The intro to 3e's Core specifically states that the tapestry in fate keeps track of the Chosen

>They’d found it burnt into the tapestry of fate that they kept in Heaven; no longer was she “Sabriye, a gutterurchin,” but rather, “of the Solar Exalted.”
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>>63428687
I felt pretty stupid trying to make sense of what you were trying to say until I notice you just replied to the wrong dude.
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>>63426514
I vaguely recall the forest witches but not many details. I'm glad to hear they're adding some more DB factions. Back when I was into Exalted (1e) it was pretty much just The Realm and Lookshy. Somewhere late in 1e or maybe in 2e I remember it feeling like DB only got attention when Lookshy was getting talked up.

What other sorts of DB factions are we looking at now? Since they can practice non-terrestrial sorcery now I feel like that opens up a lot of possabilities fir them.
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>>63428715
Balls. I just woke up like ten minutes ago, forgive me.
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>>63428724
Well, there's Prasad, in the Southeast. It's a big deal because it's a sort of corruption of the Immaculate Philosophy to let the DBs involved turn themselves into a new empire, which is so true to real-life history it hurts.

You've also got a bunch of Fae hunters up north that... I can't actually remember much about them. I know lots of them have fae-blood or are warped by the wyld, but I can't remember much else beyond that.
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>>63428741
It's okay, thank you.
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>>63428724
>Since they can practice non-terrestrial sorcery now
What do you mean by this?
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>>63428741
I'll never forgive or forget, I'll carry that hatred to my grave.
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>>63428842
I may be wrong here because all of my knowledge of 3e is just what I've picked up from looking at these threads occasionally over the past few weeks.

In 1e and 2e DBs could only do Terrestrial Circle Sorcery, as opposed to MA where they could learn to do Celestial level stuff. I read a couple posts on here at some point that said that sorcery wasn't broken into circles like that anymore... or something. If you had enough dice or whatever you could try for the higher level stuff.

Maybe I misunderstood?
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>>63429012
I think you did.
They can do Sorcerous Workings above Emerald Circle, but it's harder.
They're still limited to Emerald Circle in spells.
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>>63429034
Ooooh thanks for clarifying it for me. They must have been talking about workings. I don't know if workings had been fully introduced back when I quit playing. Either that or I just don't remember,
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>>63429121
Idk, Workings were a thing in the core leaks already.
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>>63427926
And they’ve shit since their inception.
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>>63430043
I don't think they're that bad. They're weird, but there re plenbty of weird things in the Creation.
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Are the Shinma a thing in 3e?
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>>63430930
If they are, they've gone unmentioned thus far. 3e really wants to scale back the crazy cosmic level stuff from 2e, so the Shinma being among the fundamental mystical underpinnings of Creation puts them in a bad spot for being mentioned at all.



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