Question- where would angel comes from in a non-Abrahamic mythology? Also where could you go with angels if you aren't binding yourself to Abrahamic mythology? Do you keep the wings and halo's, or do you do something else? Also post Angel-Booty
>>63381552What if angels were big fluffy-brained silly ditzy airheads?
>>63381595>>63381644Stupid does not mean airheaded. Or at least not necessarily. I like the idea that angels are capable of free will, but don't really 'get' it, leading to comic shenanigans. >Hey Angie, what do you want for dinner tonight?>I don't understand the question.
>>63381644because the gods aren't very smart either>>63381716or they're just so pure and innocent that they don't understand dick about dick
>>63381752I really, really want to corrupt an angel. Not just to dick, but also to the glorious ways of the NEET.
>>63381716So like most of the angels in Supernatural
>>63381825Yeah, sorta.Not unlike a lot of the interactions with Castiel- Castiel's a good person, there's just a lot of human nuances that are lost on him.
>>63381552Angels running on hyper-evolution. They spend most of the time hibernating in impenetrable shell an slowly absorbing nutrients from the environment, then when active can rapidly grow, regenerate and mutate to adapt. Every such manifestation is unique and can be rather short-lived as the angels burns out over-exerting itself or reach get stable form of some angelic beast and walk the land for many lifetimes. There's no known way to destroy angel egg, so believers build them shrines or groves in hopes that will make the adult manifestation turn out nice (with mixed results).Alternatively, keep the halo. Angel is the halo. Works through taking over willing vessels and power them up far beyond human limits, believers have a rite that "attunes" them to this possession and becoming vessel is absolute bliss for the host but often dangerous as the angel is pushing the host with complete disregard.
>>63381716I never quite understood this notion. What exactly would be stopping these ancient, powerful beings - many of which probably watch over humanity or are/were messengers - from learning how typical human conversation works? Even the whole "DO NOT BE AFRAID" spiel reflects some understanding of how humans work (such as, Eldritch beings descending from the sky are spooky).
>>63383372The idea that they operate on a different level of thinking. God is inscrutable, his messengers only so lightly less, and that kind of thing is reflexive. Sure they probably understand the gist of human society but not it’s nuances. Like I doubt there’d be much in heaven that’s give them tactical experience with something like say a republican form of governance, or how a toilet works.
>>63381552>Those titsDamn. They're divine.
>>63381595So like, they're too naive and innocent to understand the implications of their own actions?
Less is the best!
>>63383708absolutelyand they don't notice when they squish someone under their cushy butt
I like the chains on OP angel. Never thought of using it as a physical manifestation of their lack of free will.
If you just want winged humanoids associated with the divine, the Roman goddess Victoria is exactly that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(mythology)
>>63383718I mean sure, that works. The latter part is kind of weird but also sexy in an odd way
>>63383762he'd still be alive and well, of course, thanks to all the soft padding that covers her butt.
A shame Fiora never had any duelist angels.
>>63383778I'm pretty sure the fact that it's an ass, and thus full of jiggling soft ass fat does that pretty well on its own.
>>63383843Extra cushioning makes it safer, and softer.Besides, she's an angel, not a whale, her ass doesn't jiggle.
>>63383865Okay anon, whatever floats your boat.
>>63383889fluffy butts sure do
>>63381595I like this idea. Ignorance is bliss. They might, on a very fundamental level not comprehend evil or selfishness. Bimbo angels.
>>63381552>InstantIP artworkOP is a man of culture I see
>>63383725>Never thought of using it as a physical manifestation of their lack of free will.Really? SMT has been using that shit for more than two decades.
One idea that I like in regards to angels is that their feathers while soft to the touch are as strong as steel, allowing them to use their wings offensively and defensively.
>>63384111Sorry, not an edgy weaboo so never played SMT. No offense.
>>63381552Angels should represent a consistent force of goodness, and they absolutely have to have wings. Else, why even call them angels?I like MtG's method where they're natural formations out of a universal emanation. White Mana isn't "good" but it is a force of order and fairness where Black Mana (which correspondingly spawns demons), while also not "evil" is a force of unfairness and imbalance.
>>63381552>Question- where would angel comes from in a non-Abrahamic mythology? Physical embodiment of good, catchall term for servants of good deities, 'elementals' of good, ectBasically how D&D treats them>Also where could you go with angels if you aren't binding yourself to Abrahamic mythology? As above, though in a setting that excludes Abrahamic religions, I kinda like including them as a sorta henotheistic aspect, like there's gods but there's also The God/Good God/whatever and they're the servants/creations of that>Do you keep the wings and halo's, or do you do something else?Humanoid angels, yes, eldritch ones have a bit more leeway>>63381595>>63383708>>63383718Though I'd be lying if I said this interpretation doesn't appeal to me>TFY no giant sized angel waifu who doesn't realize how lewd it is when she keeps accidentally using you as a seat
>>63384953Kinda like this too, though I like the idea that they're able to will it into different levels of softness/hardness/sharpness more
>>63385265>Keeps trying to introduce me to YHWHcuckoldry
>>63383718>>63383708>Innocent giant MILFangel doesn't get why her little shota friend acts so odd when she isn't wearing her garments>Or why he gets so red anytime she jokes about how often he seems to end up under her when she sits down>Loves him all the same thoughI approve of this version of angels
>>63381552>where would angel comes from in a non-Abrahamic mythology?*sighs*Modern depictions of Angels aren't abrahamic at all. They are actually drawn from Pagan imagery, particularly the Greco-Roman furies and the winged deities of mesopotamia.
>>63386528>"It's warm and soft down there? I thought humans loved warm and soft places." >"Maybe he's just being shy, I'm sure a few more hours under there might get him more comfortable around me."
>>63386954Actually it's from the representations of souls of the dead in medieval art, wings meant the person was dead and halos meant they were sainted/holy>>63387047>His face when the first few dozen times was on accident>Though she eventually realizes she likes it and so does he, so starts plopping her heavenly soft and warm butt right on top of him any time it's convenient
haohi a cute
>>63387216I don't know who that is
>>63387205>she starts spreading the rumors among her friends about how much humans love gigantic angel butts>people who just died and arrived at the gates of Heaven are being snatched off the ground and dropped down the back of angel undies before they can even figure out what the hell is going on
>>63387417Less's OC. She's a good mom.
>>63381552I mix Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic elements and make angels the members of a chinese-style Celestial Bureaucracy. Aesthetically I like the old testament visuals (flaming wheel covered in eyes and chimaera-like beasts) with an inorganic/mechanical look. Like an angel whose true form is a sphinx with the head of a man, the front of a lion, the hinds of a bull and the wings of an eagle made of gold, marble and lapis lazuli.
>>63387430>Implying she isn't correct>Implying that wouldn't be heaven>Implying they didn't get the idea from the way she keeps her little shota friend tucked away nice and comfy between her perfect buns>>63387485That picture worries me, it's just a jam squirt gun right?
>>63387533No, but she's okay.
>>63381595Not this fucking bullshit againInnocence means free from guilt of sin, not being a mentally stunted retard who can’t into consequences
>>63387611Don't pretend for a second anon that you wouldn't appreciate a giant naive angel girl sitting on you.
>>63387596That's a relief, source though?>>63387611Eh, sorta? I mean you're not wrong about the not understanding consequences part, but innocence can also mean not having an understanding of right and wrong, a sort of a "I can do no wrong for I do not know what that is", with the assumption that such a mindset would be incapable of malevolence/guilt/shame/ect, though it might not be incapable of harm>>63387634I certainly would, it sounds like paradise, though I do agree ditzy airheads might be taking it too farBetter if they know EXACTLY how their actions are affecting you, they just don't get why you're being so shy about your embarrassment
>>63387774>source though?@Haohi_Oterin, AKA .Less.
>>63381552Kill Six Billion Demons handles angels in an interesting but still somewhat traditional way. Angels are essentially metaphysical cops, but have a stigma against appearing or acting too human which is seen as weakness and excessive familiarity with mortals. Once "killed" they are banished into the void which scours them of any accumulated humanity until they're ready to be manifested into the world again. Plus there's the whole spikey nihilistic angel faction. It has a mix of both human-like and wholly inhuman angels as well and angelic culture and politics.
>>63387611Ought implies know. How can one truly know sin without it being intrinsic to them?
>>63387774>Better if they know EXACTLY how their actions are affecting youno, that's worse
>>63388689Why not? That way she can tell you're obviously enjoying it, and she'll just have to keep it up till you admit it
>>63388758What if you're too afraid and ashamed at the possibility of getting kicked out of Heaven to admit it? Lust is sinful, is it not?
>>63388978Is wanting to give good boys rewards under the category of lust?
>>63389032For the angel? No. For the good boy who is enjoying his time a little bit too much back there but pretends otherwise? Yes.
>How do you angel?There are two types of angels. Angelic Host - These are people that have been elevated by the god/goddess to the celestial. This is your average winged person. They nonce around on big wings and do whatever their god/goddess wants. Even though they were human, they no longer have human concerns. They don't care about terrestrial concerns. The god/goddess sees someone down there and sends an angel. They're dying of thirst in a desert. "build a temple here." They'll say. Like the stories about the Robber Barons in the 1920's where a homeless person would beg at their door and instead of money or food they get a library. They are technically human... but they really aren't.Angelic Spirits - When a god (or goddess) has reaped enough faith, they might fragment. These fragments of the god/goddess are basically just celestial power and some of the god/goddess emotions. No humanity. mercurial and unknowable. They are the thunderstorm, the tornado, the earthquake. They wander about, fucking shit up or not as their whims desire. After all, they don't answer to any authority except to their god/ goddess, and even then, they still do whatever the fuck they want. Some of them are small enough/ weak enough that a person could make a contract with them, but the big ones would never answer that call.
>>63388978>>63389076>>63389032Lust is just desire taken to unhealthy/sinful levels anon, nothing wrong with desire, as long as it doesn't control your life/lead you to sinIf anything lying about enjoying it is a more worrying sin, I mean you're lying to an angel and maybe even yourself! But luckily she's hear to teach you to behave, one hour under her soft, plush butt at a time
>>63389138Depending on your denomination. Is desiring but not having anal sex a sin?Is desiring but not having anal sex with a gay man a sin?
>>63389076>Let slip you worry you're lusting after the angel>She decides to 'punish' you via time out>Forcing you to spend the next day between her cheeks without a single break as she leaves you to contemplate your desires>>63389226My limited understanding of the subject brought on my a short amount of googling and wiki reading says no on both accounts, provided such things do not drive you to hate yourself/another or take sinful actions
Angels and demons are beings of magic who serve in their own respective hierarchy of primordial entities. They all share the common goal of spreading their influence throughout the mortal realm, but the difference is in their execution. They did not facilitate in the creation of mortal creatures and instead are the incarnations of the concepts of Law and Chaos, birthed from the universe to solely spread their interpretations of the will that they serve under and use mortals as a tool to advance their goals. As such, the physical appearances of these beings may appear abstract and unnatural, ranging from humanoid to illogical constructs, but inconveniences in forms mean nothing to beings of pure energy.
>>63381552Servants of good godsAlternatively, the source of good rather than gods
>>63384953Every time I see that thumbnail I assume she's naked, every single time I'm wrong
>>63381552https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WingedHumanoidLook at the section marked "Myths & Religion" for some ideas.
How angelic are the unions between angels and other species? (Demons, Humans, Djinn, Fairies)
>>63391269Roughly halfThough seriously, I'd suppose more mortal races would have just a strong inclination for good, more 'elemental' (fairies, demons, whatever) would be like their typical nature albeit the more benevolent interpretations
>>63381552I suppose it depends on what you want of fantasy angels or what they represent to you.If you just want semi-divine winged girls Valkyries have you covered. They're more likely to be waifu able but they're also pretty attached to death and warrior culture.Then again as>>63391131references. Winged super powered species that could run the gambit of responsible or not are readily available. Closer to pagan gods in epics.The hard part is if you want an objectively good elemental. Seeing as a non insignificant portion of this board is about plush butts I get the significant feeling its less theme we're pushing for.Basically if you want abrahamic angels KSB and early supernatural are pretty good for their personality and aesthetics.If you want a pillow butt race with wings Valkyries, or a god-lite species. Minor Olympians like nike are depicted this way. This way you get super removed to the point of awkwardness high elf like feather brains some of you are after.
>>63391359I like the medieval interpretation that all the other spirits and gods across the world were just demons- except instead of demons, they also include fallen angels, neutral angels, and the various unions between everyone- medieval Christians for instance believed faeries were neutral angels who didn't pick a side in the war in heaven, hence their chaotic neutral disposition, and the insect wings. So having said that, I don't think anyone who's half-angel would necessarily be more benevolent. Especially if you were say half angel half demon.
>>63391443The big factor is they need some form of divine power. If I wanted simply a race of winged humanoids I'd use Harpies instead. Now, I do very much enjoy the classical image of an angel, that is a winged human with a halo, amd while I'm on the topic I'd also like to come up with different aesthetics that could also be added on to them to allow for more variety like how demons get, I've been thinking other bird-like qualities, for instance perhaps silver or golden talons. I'm also not overall a fan of the idea of angels as eldritch abominations, outside of a few of them being kind of conceptually funny (a burning wheel of eyeballs). That said, I was thinking for next thread I would make concerning this topic would be discussing 'light is not good' versions of angels since 'bad guy church' is it's own awesome aesthetic. I was also just wondering how people would insert angels into a setting that's all fantasy and elves and stuff, considering demons are so common, yet you rarely see angels in such settings either.
>>63391269In real world sources? Nephilim from humans and angels are so powerful that they are basically guaranteed to become evil due to the corruption of power.In fantasy land I feel this means they have a lot of angelic power, but less means to control it. This leads to a race of mostly selfish giants, but some pious ones restrain themselves.Demons and angels? Boy that depends ALOT on cosmology. Lets just say the only base is that their elementally opposed (not even true in all sources). This is easier if I imagine both as more physical races.They'd be insanely charismatic. Demonic charm, divinely insightful. They'd probably be good at just about everything, except because of their fundamentally opposed nature probably would suffer occasional meltdowns mental and physical.Djinn? Probably in the same vein as the nephilim.Fae? If they're not fallen angels (never cared for this interpretation anyways) they probably end up as trickster mentors of the world. A race of people like Dionysus in my mind.
>>63391597I'm not a fan of speciestic determinism though. For the unions of angels and demons I'd do something similar- they are natural prodigies in most fields, but due to their conflicting nature, have emotionally stunted upbringings, and typically latch on to one person or another for emotional support, meaning they tend to be second in command kinds of people.
>>63391443>The hard part is if you want an objectively good elemental. Seeing as a non insignificant portion of this board is about plush butts I get the significant feeling its less theme we're pushing for.I'm up for discussing either to be honest, was mostly talking about butts earlier cause that's all other anons were>>63391462Eh, I'd say on a roll of the dice it means benevolent crops up more often, I tend to read "Angelic" nature in that context as meaning more likely to be good/benevolent, not necessarily good>>63391537>I was also just wondering how people would insert angels into a setting that's all fantasy and elves and stuff, considering demons are so common, yet you rarely see angels in such settings either.Depends on the setting but on a whole I'd say good outsiders, mentors, muses, those who encourage more spiritual pursuit, teasing/loving dommy waifus,, ect, really depends on the tone of the setting more than anything else, epic nobledark fantasy setting will have different angels from semi-comedic flavors of anime setting
>>63391537I like the angle and your taste in buttsI go back to Valkyries. Depicted as winged, divine warriors of the gods who, when not on the job, live in Freya's version of valhalla.I only like the eldritch versions of angels IN Abrahamic style settings. Otherwise I wouldn't call them angels.I've been meaning to insert a race of cloud dwelling angel like creatures>'light is not good' versions of angels since 'bad guy church' is it's own awesome aesthetic. I enjoy the first, I personally think the later is overdone. However that is entirely a matter of taste.>I was also just wondering how people would insert angels into a setting that's all fantasy and elves and stuff, considering demons are so common, yet you rarely see angels in such settings either.In your case angels might be the oldest race who feels its their responsibility to shepherd the others. A lot of them either use this to lord over the lessers, others forget about it and go around doing whatever they think is right. They're so rare they often get written down as legendary figures by cultures.>>63391676Me either, but with only a name to go off of its hard to say. There are a lot of potential fae, and a lot of demons, and no setting seems to agree on Djinn.>>63391724>I'm up for discussing either to be honest, was mostly talking about butts earlier cause that's all other anons wereOh I love butts on any fantasy creature, but I tend to mix 'work and play' with this kind of stuff. Its somewhat important for me here as winged cheesecake has different requirements than I associate with angels. Mainly the former I can make a player/character race out of the other is more of a plot device.
>>63391724I get that, what I mean is that so often you see stand-ins for demons, and they are usually visually identical to what we consider demons to be (eldritch 'Chaos' demons have more leeway, but otherwise form an identical function) but you don't see the same done in regards to angels. I'd like to hear what alternate takes might have been done- maybe they are elder spirits living on the mountains, maybe they are familiars assigned by the church, stuff like that.
>>63383748What is this a reference to
>>63391762I think there's potential for Viking (also Classical- I desire more cheesecake art of Roman, Greek, Egyptian and whatever else have you angels) angels in a more paganistic fantasy setting, but I do think there'd be some kinks to work out considering how Abrahamic religions and Pagan ones are built differently- angels fulfill a function that is not necessary when Zeus keeps frequenting the local whorehouse each sunday. Like regular clouds or clouds with a twist? I think 'flying lands' need to be dealt with in a careful manner. Djinn according to the Quran are the third race that God made- they are essentially invisible magic spirits, though ones that live physically on earth, and they can become visible if they like (demons in Islam just being fallen angels). They can be good, evil or neutral, most are Muslim, but the Quran mentions there are also Christian and Jewish Djinn as well, and leaves the door open for atheistic Djinn. Personally I figure Djinn work best if you want to branch all the Abrahamic faiths into one cosmology if you make them (and also Houri's by the way- what Houri's are is never made clear, they are assumed to either be Djinn or Angels) into another offshoot of the angel geneology that split off during the War in Heaven, I would have them be Neutral angels who didn't pick a side, alongside Nymphs and Faeries.
>>63391858Haohi, a free-spirited angelAkai, her solemn, dignified husbandoAnd Aiko, their weird adopted demon daughter It's the artists OCs
>>63391537Psychic, 'bat-winged' tentacles that utilize low level, wide area telepathy to assume a sympathetic or appealing form. Animals don't attack them because they're easily intimidated. Humanoids and similar mortals are in awe of them. They can assume a 'demonic' form if pissed off or attempting to intimidate, sometimes by accident if there are multiple species around; they'll take a mismatched set of traits from various ideals, and sprout horms or other bestial features, for example. Which is why, as a rule, they tend to only reveal themselves to small numbers of mortals in seclusion. More powerful angels have greater control over their shape-shifting abilities. Lower level angels are barely intelligent and instead act the way they're expected to act due to the nature of their psionic disguise. They enter the mortal realm as agents or messengers for powerful entities and are discarded thereafter. They'll fade away over time. They're the far realm equivalent of carrier pigeons, only not as smart. Of course, they might seem smart to a superstitious mortal, but the angel only parrots what seems appropriate by reading the minds of it's audience. There is no real intelligence there.More powerful angels possess an animal level of cunning, or greater. Some have even adapted to the mortal realm and adapted various psychic methods to sustain themselves. Worship is pretty common. The angel can sustain itself via the devotion of it's followers. Some have learned to feed on dreams, nightmares or sexual energy. They can act as artistic muses. A few have even attempted to merge with mortal hosts, though this 'possession' rarely goes well for the host. Most don't last that long. Having served their purpose after being sent or summoned to this realm, they quickly expire in a halo of golden radiance, or a puff of smoke.
>>63381552Eyes, wings, halos of light. They're manifestations of a plane trying to protect itself from extraplanar incursions. It manifests through a statue, beast, or level 20 Paladin.
>>63391883I mean look at Nike, Eros and alot of 'lesser' olympians. They're basically angels. Sure they follow different tenants, but you can't really have angels and abrahamic tenants and then claim they're not abrahamic.I'm familiar with the origin of Djinn, but that doesn't really give me much to go off of for half-breeds. Fire and light could make lightning? They'd be super djinn?
>>63391935Why bat-winged tentacles though?
>>63391963I'm talking more a matter of theme. Aesthetically, I think there's a ton of potential (sidebar I'm reminded I forgot to add a pic to my previous post so here it is), the thing being is that Angels serve as intermediaries between god and manking, because God NEEDS intermediaries since he's so far above mankind. Meanwhile however, the gods of classical myth are meant to be very human and down to earth- they have human desires, motivations, and most importantly flaws, they make human mistakes for human reasons, and they rarely hesitate to zap on down to this or that affair to intervene. So how does one go reconciling those themes? Well I've always appreciated the portrayal of Djinn as lesser elementals- they represent a lesser version of an element, typically fire, so they may be the flame, or the smoke, or the ash. So perhaps a half-djinn half-angel would become holy versions of their element? (again whether that makes them good would be a separate thing) One example would be a being who can control sacred fire.
>>63391900Huh. I figured it would be some LN shit or maybe ff14 or something. They have those anime elf ears going on.
>>63391900Huh, I didn't know Aiko was adopted. The resemblance is strong.
>>63392041Hmmm I see your dilemma. In a fantasy setting then?Make them intermediates of the old gods. A big abrahamic theme is that even if the other 'gods' exist they're basically nothing in comparrison.Angels are the 'good' from the far realm they follow now creed known to the realm. Act in strange ways and have otherworldly powers. The other far realm creatures are closer to abrahamic demons. Now, why do these angels look like humans? They.re more concerned asking why humans look so much like angels.Basically they're the 'above good and evil' on the side that seems more beneficiary. If you're going more greco pagan they're the servants of the titan equivalents. They represent a more primal order than the gods, but they aren't as strong.pic saved, sorry I have nothing to add to this one.
>>63391972Why not? They're extra-planar bottom feeders. Doesn't matter if they're a flying tapeworm that exists in more than three dimensions or a ball of light. It only matters if you're planning to stick your dick in one.
>>63392095Who would be the new gods in this case? The Olympians or the Titans? >>63392101Angel implies a certain amount of elegance, 'cosmic tapeworm' doesn't really fit. Everything else I think can- alien, messengers, vague relationship to the concept of free-will.
>>63392141The new gods would be the olympians with the banished titans needing intermediaries. Alot of fantasy settings have similar set ups.
>>63392162Huh. So could this then be factored into a whole 'new generation supplanting the old'? Maybe with a new set of divines seeking to overthrow the Olympians with the help of Angelic heroes?
>>63392181Now we're cooking with gas.
>>63392222Rebelling against the Gods is a fetish of mine. Next question- say I wanted to play with an entire Mediterranean basin?
>>63389226thought crimes are not crimesthough power hungry shitters always keep trying to make them so
>>63392249With multiple pantheons? They all worked togehter long ago to btfo the previous world rulers. Now the angels (who are kind to humans) are plotting insurrection. I might call them archons or something other than angels at this point.
>>63381552>Question- where would angel comes from in a non-Abrahamic mythology?Wherever you want them to come from. If you're creating the mythology, you can decide everything about them. You could say they're just part of the cosmology. I don't think there's anything wrong with borrowing the concept or imagery without strictly binding yourself to any real-world mythology.>Also where could you go with angels if you aren't binding yourself to Abrahamic mythology? Do you keep the wings and halo's, or do you do something else? I'd have them look like the stereotypical Western angel, but I'd get rid of the more puritanical Western ideas. For example, I'd have them be very sexual beings, because sex is an expression of love, and they're champions and messengers of love.
>>63387987Thorns are not nihilists, they are puritans.
>>63392287Archon would be a fantastic name, thanks. >>63392288I'm not so much asking for ideas, as I'm asking to hear interesting ideas. I'm all for sexing angels, though I'd avoid making them inherently sexual since teaching them of love and sex is so much better.
>>63392338>I'm all for sexing angels, though I'd avoid making them inherently sexual since teaching them of love and sex is so much better.I'm more intrigued by the idea of a being who loves to fuck, has eons of experience, and possesses healing magic she can use to "restore" you over and over again - and is eager to do so. Basically, take all the lewdness of a succubus and combine it with the love, gentleness, compassion, and kindness of an angel.
>>63392425Yeah, but you still have the issues of sustaining a relationship with such a person as you do a succubus. Experience isn't as much the factor for me, as the fact I'm still probably not going to matter all that much to her as a person. She likes me cause she's a nice person, not because I'm a nice person, you know?
>>63392452>I'm still probably not going to matter all that much to her as a person.If you believe that, I think you lack imagination when it comes to an angel's capacity for love. We are, after all, talking about beings from another level of existence, whose psychology might be at least partially alien to us. When people talk about alien psychology being incomprehensible to us, they usually only talk about it in negative terms, e.g. "They'll see us as ants and want to crush us" or "They won't understand why we give a shit about morality". Basically, "beyond our understanding" is almost always used as a setup for Lovecraft shit. I'm thinking that maybe there's a more positive direction for that trope to go.>She likes me cause she's a nice person, not because I'm a nice person, you know?I don't quite understand what you mean by that.
>>63392578I see that, but the problem is that it's still reflexive. If her way of thinking is alien to me, then my way of thinking is equally alien to her. Now, she may be a good person, we may even be friends, but if her definition of love is alien, then it's likely not something I would consider love. What I mean is that I want someone who's in a relationship to like me for me, you know? Like me cause we share interests, we have personalities that mesh well, we have good chemistry, and good history together. Not because, just because. I wouldn't consider 'she's in a relationshiop with me to be nice' to be fulfilling. There's also that lizard-brain part of me that wants to be the most important person to my partner, and have some sense of ownership, which is hard to get when the other person would have been just as content with anyone else.
>>63392077I really like how modern artists depict halos. A single golden or white line of circle around the head behind the back. So simple yet cool.
>>63392981That's not necessarily a modern thing.
>>63393094he means the line is very thin, isn't glowing, and is not necessarily golden. it's minimalist
>>63383710I concur. I'm surprised they haven't drawn an angel having their wings scritched yet though.
>>63393553>ywn be hugged by big floofy wings>ywn brush your angel gf's feathers>ywn scratch the bit where her wings attach to her torso and have her arch her back in pleasurewhat I'm saying is angels are cats
>>63393642>tfw no wing hugs
>>63393675Gene modding fucking when.
>>63393683Not for a while. Genetically engineered catgirls are probably first before anything, then anything with wings (although most probably wouldn't do much unless you can seriously fuck with bone and overall body mass), then WAY more complex shit like centaurs and sneks much further down the line.But more likely, I think we'll jump straight to the point where we're all just biomechanical beings that can swap body parts in and out with relative ease.
>>63393712>Not for a while. Genetically engineered catgirls are probably first before anything, then anything with wings (although most probably wouldn't do much unless you can seriously fuck with bone and overall body mass)Doing wings would be worth it just to shut up the "Four-legged dragons suck because such a physiology wouldn't support flight" crowd.
>>63393982Hold up now. Actual flight capability would require huuuuuge wings and hollow bones. That shit is hard for someone the size and weight of a human.
>>63386954No, even though the bible have other strange angels, the classic one is still part of Abrahamic mythology.
>>63393683In 200 years by optimistic estimate, if you want a healthy and happy gene modded monster girl
>>63393152Well Leonardo da Vinci did it as well. Don't know if you count him as modern.
>>63393675Seems like it'd be real comfy
>>63392288>I'd have them be very sexual beingsthere are quite some viewpoint that see sex as a spiritual experience.
>>63381552This is kinda related so I'ma gonna ask it here:Wanna make Angel and Devil races for a setting and give them the following options for powers - do they seem more or less balanced? Any single Angel/Devil can have two.Angel Powers:Charity – Can restore objects with a touch.Self-Control – Can power up any of their senses.Love – Can enter bullet time.Empathy – Can generate light from within themselvesHumility – Make people around them physically and mentally weakerIndustry – Control of Metal and Lightning Compassion – Can create living minions of various designs.Devil Powers:Gluttony - Can rapidly regenerate their bodiesLust - Can highten/control feelings and emotions of othersSloth - Can teleport Greed - Can control shadows and darkness around themWrath - Can power up their physical strengthPride - Control of Wind and FireEnvy - Can shape-shift into various forms.
>>63395615Many of those don't make thematic sense. Why be envious when you can literally be the would-be object of your envy? And so on.
>>63395667The idea is that you copy forms and features of other things because you are envious of them.
>not sexualized, logically armored Angel's>diamonds
>>633815521. Fix your grammar.2. Would keep them around with the halos and wings and even make them something to pristine and pure avatars of some good deity. They still fall in love with mortals.
>>63395696This is also what Dante did- thieves live in the envy circle, and steal each others forms and faces constantly.
>>63395615I did a set based on the Cardinal virtues. Angel powers could tap on the "deeper" strengths of the self, rather than the direct and selfish powers that demons granted. The idea was that Angels were far superior when they cooperated with mortals or other angels, whereas demons would always win in direct 1v1 matchups.From your list I'd just changeHumility>Greatly weaken the angel/their target but also inure them to physical pain and mental pressures.Industry>Energizes the angel/target and makes them more skillful/creative/inspired etc.Compassion>Takes damage for the target, but at a reduced rate
>>63386528>>63387047>diaperMILFnow that's special
>>63396826So angels function like blue wizards. I like. What would chastity do though?
>>63385066>tfw someone uses a pic you madeI'm not sure if I should feel flattered or embarrassed; I just came here for cute and pretty angels.
>>63397053Chastity is just a more specialized form of self control where you save yourself for something better in the future. Perhaps some innate bonus to all the skills or feats in one skill tree of your choice, until you use any skill or feat from another skill tree.
>>63397295Sounds like it needs some work.
>>63381552Earliest 'angels' are not even Abrahamic.
>>63397423Made that one up on the spot. Certainly it should be themed around giving something up for a plump bonus far later down the road.
>>63397528Perhaps something about self-control? Heightened reflexes, immunity to panic or confusion?
>>63383979>They might, on a very fundamental level not comprehend evil or selfishness.I think comprehending evil would be necessary for their mission to stop it.
>>63384953The movie Legion did something like that, though I'm not sure about the "soft to the touch" part.
>>63398536Wasn't that movie, really, really stupid though?
>>63398254their mission isn't to stop evil
>>63386447It's more like she wants to introduce you to her father, who in this case is The Father.
>>63398758Daddy issues. Hot.
>>63389226The only things that are sins are things that harm others. That's really what it all comes down to, it's just that a few power-hungry humans concocted a framework of arbitrary morals under organized religions so that they could gain power over others. Angels, and God, just want everyone to be happy, love others, and be loved themselves, with whoever and whatever their heart wants. So,>Is desiring but not having anal sex a sin?>Is desiring but not having anal sex with a gay man a sin?Not only is the desire not a sin, but actually having that anal sex wouldn't be a sin either, as long as it was consensual.
>>63381552What if angels were just redeemed succubi?
>>63398600I'm not sure. I've only seen parts of it.
>>63398806What if succubi were just misunderstood angels?
>>63398803Except what about those idiots who say that by lusting, or being gay, you are going against gods plan, and thus harming yourself and god, and should be electrocuted until you stop?You know, like the Vice President.>>63398806Interesting pitch, but I'd have that be it's own thing- redeemed, or risen demons, who have learned to channel their vice into a constructive manner- a risen succubus would thusly all about spreading love.
>>63398820I think the movie ends with Micheal deciding that humans shouldn't be wiped out, popping into heaven for five minutes and telling God that they should let humanity live, and God calling off the Apocalypse which had already been in motion.
>>63398856>Except what about those idiots who say that by lusting, or being gay, you are going against gods plan, and thus harming yourself and god, and should be electrocuted until you stop?>You know, like the Vice President.Those people are wrong and are indeed idiots. And I hope that when they take Trump down, Pence goes with him.
>>63398863Yeah, that's pretty much it.
>>63398884Nah, Pence is biding his moment to take the knife out. Evangelicals came out for Trump 80%, which should be an impossible number, they form the core of his base. I figure that when the Mueller report comes out a couple months from now, Pence will say 'Trump did it, and as all good Christians, you should support me and my presidency'. That said he won't win reelection.
>>63391443>The hard part is if you want an objectively good elemental. Seeing as a non insignificant portion of this board is about plush butts I get the significant feeling its less theme we're pushing for.Plush butts and objective goodness aren't mutually exclusive. People only think they are because they've grown up in human cultures with fucked up views of sexuality.
>>63398943I wonder constantly what would have happened if Christianity had been strangled in it's crib, and we stuck to the pagan gods.
>>63383710>those proportionsThere's a definite line between "exaggerated for stylistic purposes" and "I don't know how to fucking draw" and we've definitely crossed it.
>>63385265>angel gf>every time she takes the ladder back up to heaven some jackass slaps her ass and asks for a blessingI'm gonna kill that motherfucker, Jacob. That guy is a fucking prick and everyone knows it.
>>63399045>Yo. Give me. My motherfucking. Blessing.
>>63399014I don't get it.
>>63399000Presumably Rome would have taken slightly longer to explode without yet another source of powerstruggles.Just leaves the lazy politicians and the lead poisoning, at the least...and the constantly breaking up power but at least in this case the Pope isn't trying to get a piece.
>>63399159It really is fascinating the number of factors that contribute to Rome's fall.
>>63399159I was getting at 'standard history, just minus the jesus', so you'd have Spanish conquistadors looking to synergize the Aztec gods with the Roman ones 'hey I think this quetzcoatl guy is cool and all, but I don't think Helios needs all the blood sacrifices, he gets on fine back in spain without them'.
>>63398856>redeemed pit fiend that serves as an anger management councilor because he's more familiar with Wrath than anybodyEverybody always focuses in on big titty demon gf when succubi are just about the least interesting demon to have redeemed.
>>63399416The most straightforward at least. I figure a risen wrath demon would function more like doomguy. I think a risen greed demon would be fun, since they could either be played as a capitalist or socialist hero, seeking to use economics to help everyone.
>>63399000We'd all end up in Hell for forsaking our one chance for salvation.
>>63399077Those legs are way too long. We're not talking Bayo legs, we're talking Dhalsim.
>>63399453Thing is once a demon is redeemed is it still a demon? If so why were they evil in the first place?I think all the demonic fantasy subspecies would be cool though, being races aligned with perceived negatives.
>>63399045Honestly would they mind? I feel they'd either see it as cute in an ignorant sort of way. Kind of like when a teenager tries to hit on an adult.Or if we're going the naive outsider route they either see it as a sign of aggression or can be convinced its a compliment/greeting.
>>63391963>tenants>tenants It's "tenets". "Tenants" are people who live in an apartment building.
>>63399821I mean Tartarus isn’t all that bad. For most people it’s just standing in a field for all eternity.
>>63399904In the same way a fallen angel is still an angel.They would either be born demons, or mad a bad choice sometime in the past. But their ability to be rise would show they arent forever condemned, that and having a flaw or vice isn’t the be all end all, channeling it in a healthy manner is still good. Honestly I think it’s a concept that should be imported to vanilla Christianity.
>>63399000Christianity isn't the problem. The Church is the problem.
>>63400118You underestimate how bad being forced to stand in one place for all eternity would be.
Angels really are my personal favourite aspect of any fantasy setting, and if I ever have a chance at playing something even tangentially related, I will usually leap at the chance. That said, this thread has given me a LOT of new ideas for how to write any such characters in the future, so keep this shit comin', 'cause I'm loving it. Also, good images; let me share one of my own.
>>63400178I like to dileniate between faith and religion, but you got to admit the Jews and their sequels put some weird shit into their faith.>>63400208You can sit and move around. There’s only going to be more field, but you have those options. >>63400218Thanks. I’m phoneposting at the moment but i’ll throw some ideas and pics at you later.
>>63381552Spirits/minions/descendants (greek style)/saints, heroes and ascetic monks that get elevated in the afterlife of one or more gods.
>>63381552I thought the oldest recorded angels were from zoroastrianism.
>>63400178>Implying you can or should separate the two
>>63400385>You can sit and move around. There’s only going to be more field, but you have those options.Try that in real life and see how long it takes you to crack. My guess? Not long. There's a reason that solitary confinement is officially classified as torture.
>>63400501It’s not solitary either. There are plenty of other dead people there.
>>63400385Hey, I appreciate that. I've got plenty to share as well, so I'll chip in here and there when I get the chance.
>>63400640>>63400218What other features do we want to nail out about these celestials?
>>63400765Well, for one, would angels fall under different strata of responsibility? IE: Angels of Love, Angels of Light, Angels of Justice, etc. Or, you were using the term Archon, right?
>>63400940Aye I used Archon. Angel just doesn't quite sit well with me in this set up.Yeah strata would be good depending on whether its titans or other outsiders that they're representing. I might give each archon its strata based on the titan it works for. The rank/power of the archon is individual (and in some circumstance they might change allegiance). Archons might have ranks like some depictions of angels. The higher up you go the more abstract their strata in relation to the titan. Titan of fire and heat might have a high archon of purification representing the burning away of impurities. Lesser angels representing things like warmth etc. Might be a bit pigeon holey, but if you want to keep heavy order focus it could work.Let me reword it real quick, archons would have general power, which is then focused based on their patron or creator. They would basically have a class leveling system where they go from minor to major etc.
>>63400940There totally should be, the cardinal virtues make the most sense, but the problem is that some of the virtues are rather weaksauce (especially chastity). At least JUSTICE and courage are on there, shame the medieval Christians didn't add stuff like FREEDOM. Also angel subtypes I've had knocking in my noggin->Bound Angels- blindfolded and wrapped in chains to hold in their awesome divine power that they only unleash in dire circumstances. Into bondage.>Grails- they are the givers of the water of life, they are motherly and nurturing. The 'waters of life' can be breastmilk if it pleases you.>Guardian Angels- the twist is they are born in human form, usually as a close childhood friend or relative to guard over someone who is important for whatever reason. They forget their memories of heaven as they age, but remain prodigies, they gain them back when they either hit puberty or something requires it's use. >Flaming Swordswoman- they guard over holy sights and artifacts, with weapons clad in holy elfire. Also I was the earlier anon that was talking about how to use Angels in a pagan inspired mythology.
Down with overdesigned anime titty monster angels, gimme those wholesome huggy soft angels with normal proportions.
>>63401156That's fair; so they'd have two different tier lists. One list denoting which being/ ideal they are an Archon of, the second being their tier within the heirarchy of that being/ideal they serve. I like it!>>63401371I like this too. Potential other idea for a subtype; some sort of icon, beautiful and known mostly for their ability to guide others to greatness and heroics? IE: The kind of character you'd use as a questgiver.
>>63401458But what would be their purpose outside of giving quests? Icon is a great name though.
>>63401569Well, their function would usually be to guide people; they're gone to for advice and guidance in most everything, from how to live a virtuous life to judgement on petty civil squabbles, since beings of immutable goodness would surely have a measure of fairness in their decision making.
>>63401569Probably a more socialite figure. Using and sharing their patrons knowledge to curry favor.I'm curious though would this angel species being crafted be playable? Or is it more for the npc bin? Might help shape my discussion.
>>63395318Maybe, maybe not. Flight feathers tend to be pretty stiff compared to down feathers.
>>63381552I think diablo did angels best. I prefer them to be faceless killing machines instead of beautiful divine beings.
>>63394831define modernfrom the perspective of all 12000 years of human civilization, he's modernfrom the perspective of all 3 million years of human existence, he was around less than an eye blink ago
>>63401906>I prefer my angels to not be angelsJust out of curiosity may I ask why?
>>63401617Heavenly tutors and judges then?>>63401642Heavenly diplomat then?>>63401812I mean the wings are obviously magic. Personally I figure any practical use as wings would be in flight control.>>63402121Historically speaking, Leonardo is of the modern era (post-medieval).
>>63402134Why aren't they angels? Angels are more than fapbait you know.
>>63402121>>63402166That's why I asked my dudes
Does .Less have a gallery that isn't Artstation? Their artstation doesn't have a fraction of their total artworks.
>>63398007I still don't really follow your logic>>63398806Interesting theological implications, I'd like to hear more>>63398836Less fond of this one though>>63398856>Except what about those idiots who say that by lusting, or being gay, you are going against gods plan, and thus harming yourself and god, and should be electrocuted until you stop?Assuming you know God's plan is a VERY big sin>>63399416>>63399453For some reason my mind goes to the idea of demons intentionally getting transfers into the succubi division for ease of redemption...Maybe because I like the idea of former demons of wrath turned ones of lust sticking around as a succubi just long enough to end up as demonic amazons before seeking out some bf to help them check all the boxes for the whole "redemption via love" thing>>63399979>I feel they'd either see it as cute in an ignorant sort of way. Kind of like when a teenager tries to hit on an adult.Probably this, but they might get annoyed after a while>>63400640>Unicorn angelHuh, I like that look
>>63402134>fap baitYou realize not all angels are girls right? Even the biblical depiction of angels has them all as badass warrior dudes. Mtg angels are the sexy girl ones.
>>63402134That's what angels are. They aren't supposed to be pretty and nice, they are gods warriors. When you see an angel it's already too late, all of those worthy of saving have already ascended to heaven. When you see an angel you know that you got left behind and they are here to fuck shit up.
>>63403143No, angels are messengers, that's literally what the word "angel" means, messenger.Sometimes it's a message of love, comfort, and kindness, sometimes it's a message of "YOU DUN FUCKED UP, BITE THE PILLOW I'M GOING IN RAW", an angel should be able to deliver both
>>63403170Gabriel and Michael are not messengers. They are the left and right hands of god. Though I will concede that they are arch angels so maybe arch angels can be the faceless badass killing machines (which the diablo angels are)
>>63403143It's kind of funny for you to say that when you also think Diablo did angels well, considering this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BsU1PthfjQ
>>63403010Oh shit, yes, awesome. Thank you!
>>63403296Man, I can't really put it into words well but this cinematic is kinda an example of everything wrong with post-WC3 Blizzard, story-wise.
>>63403260Angel literally means messenger, that's what they do, they deliver messages from God to other things that probably can't survive a direct encounter with god, sometimes that message comes in the form of an ass beating, sometimes it doesn't, and being his left or right hand doesn't invalidate that, heck the phrase archangel translates to "Chief messenger", as in one charge of or the most important of his messengers
>>63403296Yea tyrael is one angel, he's the exception. Reminder that all the other arch angels voted to destroy humanity in diablo, even the girl one. And prior to the existence of humans, tyrael kicked ass and took names 24/7
>>63403350Tyrael was like that even in D2.
>>63403350Absolute Brainlet. D3 was the best in the series story wise. It ties everything together.
>>63403403Not talking about Tyrael specifically.
>>63403379Well I don't read the bible so I must have missed the part where Gabriel and Michael deliver peaceful messages to humanity.
>>63403432>It ties everything together.Doesn't mean it does a good job of doing it.
>>63403479It does an amazing job of doing it. It's on par with metal gear solid 4, no stones were left unturned, every question was answered, nothing was retconed
>>63403525>every question was answeredYeah, they weren't good answers, though.I mean, everything you're saying also applies to Starcraft 2, and that's also just as bad.
>>63403455That's all they do in the Bible anon, mind you Michael is mentioned as being the one to lead the forces of heaven against Satan in the final battle, but other than that they don't lift a single sword, just have a pleasant chat with David and later Mary
>>63403455You definitely did, Gabriel gave messages of hope and reassurances all the time. He is God's gentle and caring hand.Michael is the chief of heaven's armies so he's the war guy, though. He is God's smiting hand.
>>63403560I haven't played sc2 but now we're just arguing personal preference. I don't know what upset you about the d3 story but I personally loved it so whatever.
>>63403694Well, the story I can take it or leave it, to be honest, it's just meh. The main problem I have with Diablo 3 and modern Blizzard, and what I made my original post about, is more related to their style. It went all "epic" and overdesigned and full-on ham. It's just stupid now. There's just no subtlety left.
>>63403802I definitely didn't feel that way. It felt pretty consistent with the earlier titles to me, like tyrael fighting baal in tal rashas tomb was "epic". I'm not sure what you mean by overdesigned but it's safe to say that cinematics made in 2015 are gonna look better than ones made in 1998. As for subtlety I mean...yea it was the end of the story. There wasn't much sublety in return of the king either was there?
>>63403916I'm not sure if it's on purpose or what, but you seem to miss every single one of the points I'm trying to make. I'm not talking about the story. I'm talking about how everything looks, how the characters talk and act, how the spell effects look, how their armor is designed, etc. It's all just bad, all infused with this undercurrent of trying too hard to be "epic" and failing miserably at it. It all reminds me of movies like Dungeons and Dragons.Feels that way with the stories sometimes, but that's more a Starcraft 2 problem than Diablo's. There they went all out with ancient beings billions of years old and some space magic and tied the fate of the whole universe to it and made Warcraft in space. Making it all so over the top just makes is boring in the end.
The Haibane are my all time favorite angels- and all time favorite settingI tried to run an adventure in the world of Gliese once but it didn't work outhard to find players for that kind of stuffmost near me want to beat up monstersnothing wrong with that though
>>63404083do you have a good computer? I only ask this because all my friends who hated diablo 3 have shitty computers that could barely run it, then they just stopped playing it all together because it would crash on them all the time. I remember my one friend used to bring his laptop over to my house so we could game together, and he always said how much better the game ran/looked on my computer (I had bought a new computer recently cause I was sick of my video games performing and looking like shit).I used to let him, and other friends with laptops, use my desktop when they came over and I would play on their laptops instead. then they eventually just bought new computers themselves.
>>63402166Yeah, heavenly tutors and judges sounds about right for the concept I had in mind. >>63404909I think it's more that it's "cartoony" if that makes sense. Diablo 3, to me, felt like a Saturday Morning Cartoon version of the Diablo franchise.
>>63404964I mean I guess? it just sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to hate something and you can't give exact reasons why, but I'm also not the type of person who demands people give in depth explanations why they dislike things. I am perfectly content with "I don't like it just because".
In one of my settings angels are basically divine constructs. They're made by the Gods for specific purposes, like delivering messages, guarding locations and fighting in battles. The New Gods have limited amounts of divine power and every angel they create uses up some of that, so most of them only exist temporarily. Like how warlocks, sorcerers and necromancers can summon demons, otherworldly creatures, constructs, revenants, etc., clerics who've been entrusted with divine power can pray to their God for an angel or, if they're powerful enough, summon one themselves.Most angels are nameless and have limited or no free will. Creating a mind/soul or anything resembling it takes a lot of power, so intelligent angels are only created on occasion. Most exploits and great deeds of history are done by the Gods themselves or heroic mortals and champions rather than angels.Because the Gods impose and maintain order on the world, angels' single mindedness and function as tools reflects that. This puts them at odds with demons who are creatures of chaos, created spontaneously from the primordial chaos outside of the world and who serve only their own interests.Angels appearance depends on the God who created them. So, the god of rivers' angels are like beautiful fish and shimmering water, while the golem god's angels are like statues full of divine light. The Old Gods could have made angels too if they wanted, but because their power was comparatively limitless compared to the New Gods, they were able to create fully functioning species. They're the ones who made the souls and bodies of humans and animals.
>>63398900There was a TV show that continued the story. It only lasted one season though. And it sucked. not that I watched it, of course.
>>63387987ksbd is pretty damn cool, and i really like how the setting looks. But artist cant draw eyes for shit, everyone looks like they are being fisted up the ass.
>>63392338>angel with a sword>angel with a sword>angel with scales and expression like wtf am I supposed to do with this?
>>63392338at least the artist called these angels instead of valkyries. I fucking hate it when people try to give valkyries wings
Avacyn getting corrupted was sad, although I did just learn that apparently angels have houses. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/gaze-blank-and-pitiless-2016-03-09
>>63405459I kinda liked the idea of the innistrad angels going ballistic and the werewolves/vampires having to save the day.
>>63399014That's not "I don't know how to fucking draw" the proportions are definitely not accurate but the proportions of the structure itself is still uniform and I don't see any problems with it. If you want "I don't know how to fucking draw" look up Rob Liefeld, the proportions in his drawing are just shockingly bad in their structure.
>>63405020>it just sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to hate somethingNot that anon, but I really hate this line. People who love a franchise usually WANT to like new instalments, you know.... I know saying that in the middle of grognard central weakens my argument a bit, but still. Everyone who poured hundreds of hours into Diablo 2 was hungry for more.
>>63405607but I can't help but say that line, because im one of the people who poured thousands of hours into diablo 2 and I had very limited complaints about d3. plus when I dont like something I give specific reasons why, I don't really like it when people give generic vague criticisms of things, it makes me feel like they don't actually know why they're upset.anytime someone says something like "oh it was bland it was weak it was wishy washy" im like...ok? what does that mean exactly? and they'll continue to give a hundred non reasons why.to give you a specific example, when the star wars movie came out 3 years ago (force awakens) my one friend said he absolutely hated it. and we all asked him specifically why and he could not for the life of him give us an actual answer. all of his answers were "yadda yadda contrived, saturday morning cartoon bullshit yadda yadda, fuck disney" and eventually the only response he was able to give us when asked directly and bluntly was "the white chick just sucks the black guys dick, fuck that movie". and we were all like "ok, that literally didn't happen but whatever".
>>63405753I can very clearly state what I mean by "saturday morning cartoon-y". The entire thing with Leah being my primary complaint. I saw that shit coming so far off the horizon, I swear to god Columbus couldn't have seen it sooner. Beyond that? Malthael's writing was shit, and that entire DLC was awful. Everything is overdesigned, there's no subtlety to any of the spells, abilities, or enemy designs. Things are obvious from the start, and there's a very clear path with no deviation; like a Saturday morning cartoon.Pic not related at all, just more angels for OP.
>>63405855you and everyone else lol. we can make the same argument about baal talking to the old dude in that prison since he is quite obviously not tyrael. and what do you mean by over designed? no sublety? thats the second time i've heard this argument and it makes no sense to me. the enemy and character designs were consistent with the previous games, they just looked better since they were on a newer engine. I also can't for the life of me remember any part of the first two games not being clear paths with no deviation. you did all the quests in order and advanced through the acts no? it was a railroaded story line from day 1.
>>63405855I don’t play diablo, but i’ll argue some of the design comes from the camera angle- you can’t be subtle when the characters are so small on the screen.
>>63405943ok wtf, is subtle a code word for old out dated graphics? that couldn't be "not subtle" even if they wanted to?
>>63405943To an extent you may have a point. >>63405940You're right, we can, and we should. My point is more that Diablo 3 takes it ever further than the other two games did, much like most of Blizzard's other endeavors as of late. They take things that are passable, too far, and it starts to feel comical; at least, that was my read of Diablo 3.
>>63402606>For some reason my mind goes to the idea of demons intentionally getting transfers into the succubi division for ease of redemption...Maybe because I like the idea of former demons of wrath turned ones of lust sticking around as a succubi just long enough to end up as demonic amazons before seeking out some bf to help them check all the boxes for the whole "redemption via love" thingHuh, lot of hoops to go through but could be pretty fun. >Probably this, but they might get annoyed after a whileProbably about the same annoyance one gets when a dog keeps trying to get your attention.
>>63406014you're giving me those non answers I hate, you know that right?also I should be contributing angels, I don't have many though.
>>63406095It may be a vaguely intentional way to slightly antagonize for laughs, yeah. In truth, my biggest gripe about Diablo 3 relates to none of what we've talked about.Crusader plays like shit, and I hate it.Story was never the Diablo franchises strongpoint, so me criticizing it is like me criticizing the original Doom games for their same lack of enjoyable story.Forgive me for this picture, but I'm starting to run low myself.
>>63406075>Huh, lot of hoops to go through but could be pretty fun. Yeah, was sorta thinking that when she tried it it was getting kinda formalized with specific actions she'd have to take, both to go through the motions and to 'prove' she both loves her new mortal bf and is redeemedOf course all that's to string the process along until she either gives up, or is actually redeemed by falling in love with himCourse I also like the idea that while they can transfer in, they'd keep traits of their old position, so a wrath succubus would be a musclegirl, greed succubus a business woman, ect>Probably about the same annoyance one gets when a dog keeps trying to get your attention.>Smack your angel gf on the ass>She's fine with it the first few dozen times>You push your luck though and she puts you in time out
>>63405855>Pic not related at all, just more angels for OP.Elspeth isn't an angel. That's just silk whirling around her.But she's still cute I guess.
>>63406191I've been able to do up to gr 70-80 with every character so I can't really say any of them play like shit. they can all clear max game content super easily, its only in the top 1% of performance do you see these small interchangeable differences that vary each season. I suppose the crusader didn't play much like the paladin so maybe people were upset with that? as the game currently is you can use whatever build you want to clear torment 13, and since that is the highest game difficulty without pushing yourself beyond normal limitations on greater rifts, I can't say that mechanically its in a bad place. you can do whatever you want
>>63406293I don't mean from a level of playability, I mean from a level of "This feels clunky and dumb, I'm going back to demon hunter".
>>63406328ok well thats a valid personal preference complaint that would merit saying "I dislike this game" but I don't think it merits saying "this game is bad"
This diablo talk has nothing to do with angel butts.
>>63406482Agreed, we should get back on topicThink an angel wouldn't mind if I offered to give her butt a smooch?
>>63406482it absolutely does, we were just getting to how magnificent Auriels ass is.
>>63406589At first she'd be really confused and bewildered. You'd need to slowly whittle down her defenses.
>>63406611So hugs, squeezes, and massages first? Getting real touchy feely with her until she understands that adoring every inch of her is just your way of showing your love?Alternatively, what if she's giant like we discussed previously, can you just wait until you're under her cheeks then smooch away?
>>63406696Pretty much. If she's that large, and you are already under her, I doubt she'd notice.
>>63406719I'd make her notice, smooch every inch
>>63405311I couldn't agree less on the second part, the eyes seem pretty standard to me.
>>63406482You're right, it doesn't. Back to Angels indeed.
I'll start-Demons have a wide variety in design. Number of limbs, eyes, horns, claws, hooves, talons, tails, skin-color, and more. Angels however seem always to only have the halo wings, and maybe some different toga's. What can be done to vary up the visual design? My suggestions->Add extra number of limbs, either wings or arms>More skin-tones, light blue, stark white, silver>Add bird-like scales to limbs, with gold or liver color>Extra halo's to denote ranks>Divine bondage gear
>>63406967Awesome suggestions!Though if we're going to play counterpart to the compendium of dnd stock demons angels/archons would have to be even more varied.What would the pit fiend version of an angel look like compared to the succubus/attractive humanoid model.There's all the 'eldritch' descriptions of older traditions, but we seem to have decided on more physical humanoid forms.>Divine bondage gearIts called armor
>>63407117Personally, I think the wheels of flaming eyeballs could be an interesting halo design.
>>63407328I was going to say this, the whole "throne angel" thing might be a true body while the sexy girl is like a projection capable of interacting with the current dominant race on the planet. Every species has its own angels, the same angels, portraying different idealized forms.
>>63393995Maximum Ride managed to do that.
>>63408138Maximum Ride is a teen novel that runs primarily on pseudoscience and rule of cool. I pity you if you genuinely think it's a reliable source.
>>63408352He commented on what it would take and I pointed out a story that did, nothing more than that. Besides, not like we're talking about accurate science discussing angels here anyway so no point bringing up realism.
>>63383372You ever meet someone so stupid or out of sync with reality that it made you hesitate? That's your explanation. Angels just plain -get- how the universe is so to them certain things are obvious. Humanity does not understand much of anything however, so we fumble around guessing what we should do. The difference in purpose would probably also manifest in a lot of ways. For instance, for Angels communication is to forward their purpose by exchanging information. For humans communication of less directed. We have a lot of sayings and superfluous words and sounds we mix into our speech because we lack the motivation to get to the point.
>>63408789While you'd have a point if we were still talking about angels, you replied to a chain where they were talking about genetic engineering and cybernetic transcendence, not angels. That's why the realistic possibility of it was important.
>>63381716Angels don't have free will, they love god so much his will is their will, they are gods perfect servants.That's not to say they aren't self aware individuals, rather they follow gods universal laws and instructions so perfectly they have no need for a will of their own, they know exactly what god wants them to and they do it.
>>63409629Yeah, but 'angels are a slave race' has lots of unfortunate implications. Unfortunate implications that can be fun to play with if you want to make god the villain like in the Old Testament, but it's hard to paint God as the good guy, when his good guys are all slaves. We kind of value free will and freedom in general after all.
>>63409629>Angels don't have free willThere's this guy called Satan, maybe you've heard of him?
>>63381552Why does it say "the big poop day" on the bottom of your pic?
>>63399060But you have so many blessings already.
>>63406967I like the idea that demons are more human than angels. The former looks metal as fuck, like a bunch of punk body modders got their hands on surgery equipment and genetic engineering, but still basically recognizably human or humanoid. Whereas angels are not, at all. Their bodies in their natural state are a mix of wings, eyes, fire, and platonic solids. Their face if you can even call it a face is too bright to look at because it has seen the face of god. Their "burning swords that turn every way" are two-dimensional burning chakram not made of steel but divine will that orbit around the angel.You can do a deal with a demon. You can kill a demon and steal their sword, and use that sword. You can fuck a demon. You can discuss philosophy with a demon. You can hate a demon. But there is no negotiation with an angel. No small talk. No big talk either, just silence, or music, or delivering of messages. An angel that has changed shape into something with an orifice or proboscis for fucking has probably already fallen. Is it in the shape of a half-man, half-bird? Fallen. Sphinx? Fallen. It's hard to believe an angel has self-consciousness or free will. An angel will spread the same plague as a demon, on the same city, but there's no hating it for that. You might as well hate the melting ice in the north: Its a disaster of humanity's own making, being delivered by something more like a force of nature than a person. If a demon spread the same plague it was because he wanted to fuck shit up.Maybe once upon a time it wasn't like this. When there were no demons, angels were allowed a lot more freedom of form, thought, and personality. Now all the cool angels have fallen, for one reason or another over the millennia, the ones that are left are more "disciplined" than ever in the execution of their role in this universe, to the elimination of all else. Anything less is taken as a lack of faith in the divine ideal.
>>63408909Or more like being around someone who you can't quite gage. They're not complete idiots, and get offended when you explain things they also understand. However, when you let your guard down and off-handedly mention something that should be way more basic, they completely glaze over.
>>63405043If the old gods were limitless in power how were they overcome by the new gods.
>>63412850They all felt out with each other and killed each other or left the world. One of them turned into the sun and another got turned into the moon. The New Gods pantheon includes one or two of the Old Gods.
>>63414813Single feathers the size of your arm :o
>>63414867I unironically think that a large wingspan is pretty attractive.
>>63410641angel girls are diapergirls
>>63381552They tend to be idealized forms of 'civilized' activities. For example in a Mesopotamian setting an angel might have two things that they're exceptional at: one creative such as dance or watercolors or the harp, and one destructive like archery or using a specific kind of sword. They'd also be capable but less remarkable at similar things: an angel with superb skills at dance might also be good at acting and storytelling, or an angel with a supernatural skill with the halberd might also be skilled with all other forms of polearm.Basically, they just represent aspects of our culture elevated to the level of divine inspiration.
>>63404118I love HR so much, it's tied for my favorite television show ever with Princess Tutu. No bully.
>>63381552Make them not human. That way it won't end with a situation where some bard will try (and successfully) seduce and knock up one.
>>63381552What about fire demons who sizemogg their bodyguards?
>>63421676But what if that's part of the fun?>Who wouldn't Palutena?
>>63421676Wouldn't stop me
>>63421873I would PalutenaAnd Pit
>>63398884>And I hope that when they take Trump down, Pence goes with him.I guess 2024 can't come soon enough for you then.
>>63398856How is calling lust, aka impure desire, impure, idiotic?
>>63398803>Not only is the desire not a sin, but actually having that anal sex wouldn't be a sin either, as long as it was consensual.Factually untrue if you're referring to the Biblical worldview. And if you can't imagine following God just because he draws the line at you fucking someone or being fucked in the ass then the problem is one thousand percent you.
>>63398856>like the Vice PresidentAs if he has said anything remotely of the sort.
>>63424269I believe once, decades ago he said that it was better to stop being gay. You know, how until literally a few years ago all Democrats were against illegal immigration and Obama literally shared the "Yes we can" motto with a guy who used it to refer to preventing illegal immigration from Mexico? The same guy who hired thugs to beat illegal Mexican immigrants with chains and barbed wire? The same guy Obama praised?
>>63424269>Not knowing about the Mike 'shock the gay away' Pence memesThose memes are practically 2 years old by now ffs. How much of a social media NEET are you that you haven't it before?
>>63424364Oh, let me guess the guy I was responding to was just pretending to be retarded.
>>63385066>>63385265Inferior to pic related.