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Lady of Iron edition.
>>63303543

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Why DIDN’T the Emperor help Angron?
In the novel Betrayer, Angron complains (whines) about how his dad never explained why he didn’t help him like the other Primarchs, just kidnapping him instead.

But yeah- why?
He helped all the other ones. Why not help the one that probably needed help the most? Fucker had brain nails in him.
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i just finish Angels of Caliban and moving onto praetorian of Dorn but i skipped most of the short stores in

book
33 - War Without End (Anthology)
35 - Eye of Terra (Anthology)
36 - Path of Heaven
37 - The Silent War (Anthology)
i heard one of the twins dies on pluto thats mean horus is in terra system will i be cought up in book 39 praetorian of Dorn or did i miss important shit in the books i skipped

> i mostly just want the primarchs story
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>>63356577
Big E:
ah fuck his braindead, beam him up I'll fix him later.
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>>63356577
Why didn't (Anon) take better care of his paintbrushes?
Probably because he was lazy...
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>>63356577
Maybe the Emperor didn't want to nuke a civilization that probable had STC's and archeotech from high orbit?
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>>63358287
You mean like that time he told Corax to nuke Kiavahr?
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>>63356635
I've been reading it in chronological order, bunching up the books in "Trilogies" sort of.
Obviously the first being
>Horus Rising
>False Gods
>Galaxy in Flames

then
>Magnus primarch book
>Thousand Sons
>Burning of Prospero

Fucking damn Prospero after Sons displayed what a tragedy this all was. But bunching up the stories works for me. And honestly, I just skip the anthologies unless there's something relevant. I'll probably hit up the Corax one but ehhh, it's just jumping around so much. I'm not to your count yet, if you're really at 37-39 I think you got this.
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>>63356577
I don't get why people ask stuff like this. Nothing in the lore paints the Emperor as anything but an Narcissistic, psychopathic, moron.
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>>63358667
>t. ADB
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>>63358667
I always just saw him as a catty bitch that loves drama. Why else does he always appear when prophecies said someone like him would? Not like he couldn't literally see the future and shit.
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>>63358740
> Not like he couldn't literally see the future and shit.

he couldn't see the future necessarily. He could only see possible futures.
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>>63359003
>old metal cadians
Hnnnnnnng
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Working on a Herald and Vigilator right now.

What’s everyone else working on?
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Sisters soon!
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>>63356577
Why didn't the Emperor just create an entire legion of Garviel Loken's who's plot armor would make them unstoppable?
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>>63359924
The universe hates attempts to replicate sufficiently unique and exceptional personages.

That would at least be what the typical pattern with the Afriel Strain would suggest anyways.

On paper they should work extremely well, what with being carefully optimized combinations of all the best genetic material available from Imperial Heroes, but in practice they are hideously unlucky in what seems like a very pointed fashion.

This is distinct from them being "highly impressive, but fatally flawed" in the sense that they somehow didn't turn out "right", although normal people also sort of don't like them and find them creepy, so they actually kind of did, just not in terms of ability. They just look creepy. The issue would be the massive, cosmic, "fuck you for trying this you gigantic faggots stop that" bad luck they have.
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>>63359757
Regular goys.
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>>63359757
nice weathering. i had both those models for my fists, too. i ruined them and gave up
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>>63356635
SPOILERS
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>>63356635
Read Scars, read Path of Heaven and feel the urge to start a White Scars army
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>>63359757
IW tartarsauce termies

PS fuck Dorn
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>>63358540
That was Corax's own decision. The Emperor arrived after the fact.
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>>63358540
>>63361750
IDK I recall Big E coming before and then leaving so Corax could finish his rebellion, and then nuked the place. But whatever.
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>>63359757
Six aquilon with flamers and fists. I wish the hood-eagle thing wasn't quite so flimsy; I spent like twenty minutes each reparing the resin that's so thin it's see-through, on account of not existing in some places.
Plus,. they're a bitch to wrangle into semi-unique poses after, like, three guys. Lot's of recutting required, but they still look pretty fucking monopose.
Though they're still not as bad as the Allarus, which took forever.
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>>63361750
>>63358540

Corax was discovered after Angron so perhaps the Emperor actually learned a lesson about parenting in between.
Headcanon is that he is so unused to the idea that he can lose or that his plans are fallible, that he has a major meltdown after meeting Nails-for-Brains and his reaction is a 'Get this clusterfuck out of my sight and gtfo from here while I think of a way to fix it' rather than a rational plan.
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Just finish Heralds of the Siege and in particulary the Board is Set. Its a nice insight into what happened at the end if the Siege.
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Got a whole bunch of Heresy marines from the Calth and Prospero boxes and I'm itching to paint them but I just can't pick between these two schemes.

Is one Legion incredibly overused or is there any other good reason why I should pick the one over the other?
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>>63363910
do woobies, they're less represented then AL and vorbak and mara ghal look sick
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>>63361508
I’m working on 15 IF Tartersauce now.

PS Thanks Turbo
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>>63363910
Your dudes look great but I really believe WB are underrepresented. Your AL scheme is perfect however and I wanna see more of that.
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>>63364112
>>63364307

Really? Thought I would be the other way around with Word Bearers being on the cover and way easier to paint as well.

I love ADB's take on Lorgar and the Word Bearers while I feel the Alpha Legion hasn't really had a decent showing in the books aside from the epic tweest.

I'll try painting up another Word Bearer and do it a bit cleaner this time, plus that will show if I can paint these guys consistently.

Thanks guys.
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>>63363910
how did u paint AL?
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>>63362876
It has some nice shorts indeed. I like the one with the imperial fists against the mob.
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>>63364533

Airbrushed Greenstuff World's Celestial Azure, washed the armor Coelia Greenshade, Glazed random areas with Waywatcher green to tint them a bit and highlighted the edges Runefang Steel.
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>>63364450
Dude of course. They’re great looking minis. If push comes to shove you should do a big AL army because en masse that scheme is beautiful.

While WB are big in the fluff they don’t have a big table top following compares to many other Legions.
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>>63364760
My airbrush showed up in the mail yesterday. Definitely gonna try this in the coming weeks.

Thank you for the recipe.
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Anyone know how long CnF take to send a package to euroland ? It's been a full week now and i don't even have a confirmation that he send it.
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>>63366063
I live in the US and it took at least 2 months. He isn't actually fast.
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>>63366063
I’ve ordered miscellaneous bits and single models off of them and it takes anywhere from 3 weeks to 2 months.
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Do you guys know if there is any non-mk7 plastic biker leg bits? Preferably not 3rd party.
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>>63366725

Ravenwing have Mk6, but they are robed.
Chaos Bikes also have Mk6 but with trims.

Unfortunately I think the only viable option is to cut up the knees of some Mk7 or get your hands on Outrider bits.
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>>63366063
It depends. Very often he sends the confirmation long after he actually did it for some reason. Every time, the package had left russia long before I got the confirmation. At least the quality is good. Post the results when you get it.
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>>63356635
>moving onto praetorian of Dorn
Praetorian of Dorn is an incoherent mess of a book and makes literally zero sense. Nor is it particularly entertaining.
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>>63358603
The two bolts in his forehead and his eye brow kind of combine to make a confused bird. Or I'm seeing shit.
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>>63364760
What did you use as basecoat? Chainmail or another silver metallic?
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>>63367473
This is a...lackluster opinion...The book branches around and connects all the dots as we reach the end.

Saying it is an incoherent mess is like watching someone solve a puzzle for you and then getting mad halfway through when they’re still figuring out piece placement.
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>>63367505
Fuck. I definitely see it.
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>>63366725
CSM bikers.
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Has anyone used Wartable for recasts? Any ideas of delivery timescales or quality?
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>>63368762
About a month. Not the greatest; had some issues with maybe a third of the Mk II backpacks.
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>>63363910
Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors seem to be the most common, both because of their paint schemes and their reduced dependence on vehicles.

I agree with those saying WB are a little underrepresented (along with Salamanders). I think it’s because they’re still very much the bad guys while a lot of the other traitor legions have been “rehabilitated” by the stories as having reasons for falling, and because their special rules aren’t as obviously good. But Gal Vorbak are great and book 8 will introduce daemon rules for what should be an interesting allied force.

I’ve only really seen WB used as a drop army. Sacrificial Offering would work well too. Either way, your test pieces look great.
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Want to begin HH with a thousand sons army.
Mostly going with tacts, rhino and terminatours.

What should I need(books)to play? Do the books become outdated often?
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>>63369887
The books don’t come out often enough to become outdated often. You’ll need:

Age of Darkness rulebook - likely to remain current until at least 2021. (They said they wouldn’t change the rules until after Book 9 comes out, because that’s when every legion and faction will finally have full rules. It’s expected in mid-2020.)

Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List - generic marine list. This is the one most at risk of being redone, potentially as early as late next year. But it’s also the most important book for you to have, imo. When people refer to the red books, they usually mean this one and the Legions book, even though the rulebook (which came out later) is also red.

Book 7: Inferno - the Thousand Sons special rules and legion-specific units are in here. The numbered books are campaign books, more often called the black books. The rules get invalidated quickly because they get compiled into red books, but black books have all the fluff and color plates so you’ll read them forever. After Book 9 gets released in 2020, FW says they’ll compile all of the legion rules, after tweaking them, into a final Legiones Astartes: Legions book (the other red book). The current Legions book is missing the TS, SW, WS, BA, and DA.
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>>63368074
Not him, but I would call the book a bunch of editoral-mandated ideas that move with such a blatant narrative purpose that it's possible to hear the gears shifting with a noticable clunk each time something happens.
It's blandly boring in a very technical way, which is the worst kind of boring. At least Wolfsbane was entertainingly stupid.
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>>63369887
>>63370492
You can also get the 7e 40k rulebook.
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>>63370790
You can't. AoD made a number of changes and clarifications.
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>>63370790
I suppose you could, and listen to the Radio Free Isstvan podcast’s runthrough of the differences and take notes. There’s no easy place to find what changed.
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>>63369500
Proper IW with haz stripes and weathering are HNNNNGGGGG tho.
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>>63371166
Such as? I seem to recall the HH book not even bothering to use the 7e FAQ to fix any of the issues that the original rulebook had. Most what I can tell is that they removed all the rules HH doesn't use and added rules HH does use. But those rules can be found in all the books that preceded the HH rulebook.

It's still cheaper to buy the 7e book for a few quid (or use the one you have, if you do) and use the PDF to make a list of the changes (like an FAQ), than to dump 40 on the actual book.
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>>63370492
>book 9
>2020
You poor, optimistic fool...
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are the BaC Marines smaller than the FW MK IV? if so, are the other armor marks larger?
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>>63371594
No just thicker. The FW ones have skinny legs
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>>63371709
They skipped leg day on Isstvaan, the fools lost the chance for big gains.
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>>63371757
When will the loyalists learn?
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>>63371709
but does the same go for the BaC dudes compared to other armor marks?

like in >>63364760 's picture I can't tell if it's the pose or the actual height that makes it look smaller
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>>63371514
It’s looking like Malevolence will be ready for the Weekender in February. It’s at the printers already, so they’d damn better be working on Angelus already. I don’t think it’ll be ready by the 2020 Weekender, more like fall of that year.

I can see how they’d struggle massively after Alan Bligh died, Andy Hoare became a manager (rumor is he was pretty terrible at it, at least at first), Specialist Games and 8th ed sucked up most of FW’s resources, they had to write a “new” rulebook in a hurry, and Anuj was brand new. They had lots of excuses for 2017-’18 and they won’t work anymore.

>>63371594
As others have said, no, BaC marines are bulkier than FW Mk IV. I’d also say plastic Mk III is the bulkiest of all the power armors outside of new 40k stuff. I don’t know if it’s actually taller, but it definitely looks wider.

>>63371504
Not using the 7th ed. FAQ was a big deal, because that FAQ broke assault-oriented 30k armies that depended on meltabombs for anti-tank. But a lot of the rules were reworded in accordance to the FAQ - no change in effect, just more clear now.

The other big one was replacing Invisibility.

Little things: new, clarified superheavy options, some fortifications are gone and models behind walls only get a save if 25% obscured, Warlord traits stop working if he dies, clarification that you only lose if you don’t have models at the end of the game turn rather than player turn… but go find that Radio Free Isstvan episode because I think there was more.
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>>63370492
Thanks a lot mate.
Thats a lot of fucking books lol, gonna cost me almost as the models.
Is the content in the books good? Im after fluff and art mostly. Otherwise Ill just download them.

Also, any tip for a newbie? I don't even know if there's anyone playing in my area, its mostly a modelist project, but if I get to play I would like to know what should avoid.
A list with mostly infantry and rhinos is viable?
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>>63358540
>>63358287
Maybe he figured he already had everything Kiora had.

Whereas space rome probably had a lot of shit that would tickle his prostate juuuust right.
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>>63359924
Why didn't the Emperor just clone himself like 20 times and OH
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>>63372392
>It’s looking like Malevolence will be ready for the Weekender in February.
To build on this, the current window of plausible release time revolves around how many errors they encountered during editing. If it was Inferno-tier then even February will be hard. If it was done by people literally not dying of cancer then there is a small (being a math wizard man I reckon 20%) chance they will make the Christmas deadline originally set. The only date after that which makes any sense is the Weekender. We'll know Thursday if they're late AGAIN, as FW doesn't sit on black books until the week before like certain other parts of the corporation do.
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>>63356577
>why didn't something that makes character sense happen in a series written by hacks

gee I wonder
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>>63372548
>Whereas space rome probably had a lot of shit that would tickle his prostate juuuust right.
Can't be that much, given how hard a time they had dealing with a revolt of psychopathic slave-gladiators who were actively assaulting and sacking cities.
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>>63359757
Assault marines
t.Bangel
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>>63372568
>cloning ever ends up well
How bloody new must you be
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>>63372484
The black book for your legion is worth owning. The others… are just rules.
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>>63374790
>>63372568
Maybe he did but they just went to other galaxies or timelines.

We already know there are plenty of time travel and warp/reality altering shenanigans from Chaos and Necrons and Old Ones. So who's to say that there isn't some alternate 40k where the Age of Strife never happened or the Emperor and maybe some Perpetual buddies managed to create a functional and daddy-issue free galactic empire too.
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>>63367926

Just black.

Celestial Azure is a metallic blue that only works over black.
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>>63358667
Big E was highly motivated and highly focussed on making sure humanity held its shit together in the face of a galaxy that wanted them dead. That meant making hard decisions for the long term benefit that wouldn't leave him very many friends. The problem with that not every author is going to handle that aspect competently, even the good ones.

To loop it back to Angron...well, I dropped out of HH before I got to Betrayer, because keeping up on all that shit is exhausting. I do know Big E traded kidnapping Angron from Desh'ea for compliance. Can't say much on Desh'ea, but depending on how populated or how developed it was, taking the leader of the local rebellion for their compliance made sense.

Problem was that Emps screwed that up by denying Angron some measure of peace by not helping his son in that one, crucial battle. It just created bigger long-term problems by giving one of his generals and the Imperium's most unstable killer unresolvable issues and a pretty good reason not to trust his judgement.
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Thoughts on running 15 Tartaros Terminators at 3k? Imperial Fists. Ended up getting a great deal on them.

5 have Storm Shields/Hammers, the 8 have Combi Plasmas/Fists, and 2 have pairs of Lightning Claws.
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>>63356577
Nuceria had already joined the Imperium, and had valuable tech.
Angrons buddys were Khornate cultists.
Angron also was a fuck up by all measurements.
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>>63376689
Tartaros can't take Storm Shields.
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>>63376726
Imperial Fist Tartaros can. Read the FAQ.
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>>63376726
>>63376743
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>>63372484
>A list with mostly infantry and rhinos is viable?
Basically, yes.

First, you need to be aware that when the Thousand Sons got their rules, people freaked out over how much they could buff themselves psychically and how cheap their special Terminators were. Unlike Custodes, they haven't turned out to be that bad to play against, but only because TS players are self-regulating. That means not taking more than 8-10 psychic mastery levels in a 2500 point army, not taking more than 5-10 Sekhmet Terminators, and if you're in a generous mood, not taking Sekhmets in Cataphractii armor with the cult that adds +1 to their invulnerable save (Raptora?). (For Tartaros Sekhmets most people use the plastic 40k Terminators.)

Most players use a Rite of War because it gives you some little bonus here or there, or at least changes what your army looks like. Neither of your legion-specific rites work terribly well with Rhinos. Pride of the Legion does (Veterans and Terminators as troops, but a limit on vehicles), and Armoured Breakthrough (basic Predators as troops, all infantry need tank transports). Both are considered strong, abusable rites, but they don't have to be.

Inferno says the TS prefer Land Raiders, in case you want to go heavy on Termies and Breachers (which normally suck, but not with that +1 invulnerable save cult). Rhinos... great with shooty units, not those that want to charge the turn they get out. Basically Veterans, Tacticals, Support, and Heavy Support. The latter two work better in TSons armies than most thanks to psychic powers so I'd focus there.

Throw in some other vehicles/dreads with similar armor for target saturation.
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>>63376753
Is this implying that "terminator armour" is not a type of terminator armour? Like there's only cataphractii or tartaros?
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>>63376929
There's also Indomitus. Well, other types besides the three exist as well, but only in fluff.
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>>63376929
It's saying that any other types will have their own name, and that "standard Terminator armor" means any and all patterns... but it doesn't say it very well.

The guy who wrote the FAQ has flat-out said that Tartaros Terminators can take storm shields. He's also an IF player. But he's also more aware than past 30k rules writers about which units the 30k community tends not to use, and that's included Tartaros.
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Can I get the rulebook in PDF somewhere? The epubs are fucked for me and most megas don't have it at all
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>>63375065
Thanks Anon!
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10 man deep striking terminator squads, yes or no? Looking at trying out a NL list with 3 of these at its core. Got some help with reserve rolls thanks to a land raider Proteus and Damocles rhino and some nuncio voxes to help reduce scatters.
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>>63356429
You know, I was reading 'Ordo Sinister' by John French (In the 'Burden of Loyalty' anthology) and it's the most anime thing ever. It's a great story, though.

It's about a Psi-Titan pilot, who is so dark and cool he has the entire left side of his face tattooed to make him scary, and he wears black except for a single ring that projects his seal of office. As a Pariah, even Space Marines are creeped out by him, and he was personally taught by the Emperor himself.

Then later, he jumps into the Big O...I mean, his Psi-Titan to fight a host of daemons, and the rest of the crew is basically 'Psykers, but in bondage'. The cockpit has these free-floating pentagrams and shit, and uses elemental alignment to fire weapons. The ultimate weapon is the FINAL STAGE i.e. the Super Warp Beam in the left hand, the Left Hand of Darkness. After a grueling battle, we have a flashback where he's staring up at the stars and wistfully thinking of Emperor-dono.

I give it Anime/10.
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>>63367473

The bits with the Lunar gene cults and their role in expanding the first legions were cool.
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>>63379581

Dude, the Psi-Titan is one of the more nightmarish things in the universe. And that takes some doing.
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>>63380256
Yeah, the entire concept is actually really fucked. They're pretty specific in how it's leeching the life from the psykers. When he cycles the weapon, liquidized body parts (from the psykers killed by the strain) drizzle out.
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Is there anywhere I can get some Cataphractii Terminator right arms? I've dug out all my old models and I have a set of Cataphractiis with all pieces except the fucking right arms and I don't want to just have bolters glued to their shoulders.
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>>63380383
Buy plastic cataphractii arms from any reputable bits store.
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>>63380383
How many do you have? Five?
>>63380407
This is a good idea but most sellers do it not as sets but as the individual bit styles so you'll probably rack up like $25 with shipping. Basically it's gonna run you a pretty penny unless you get lucky and find something on ebay.
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>>63380383
just buy another set of termis, do 5 with dual LC's.
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>>63380558
I support this answer fully.

On that note, why are Cataphractiis gone from FW? Are they done making resin ones and have moved entirely to plastic?
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>>63378149
I was told its to risky.
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>>63380597
FW scrapped a lot of stuff because it wasn't selling. MKII marines were explicitly discontinued due to rampant recasting making it impossible to justify the shelf space.
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>>63380437
>you'll probably rack up like $25 with shipping

5 Cataphractii right arms with shipping (to the US):
>MegaBitzShop: 6.25€
>Bitz Box: £4.99
>MegaBitzShop: £6.65
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>>63380918
Well shit. So I have to usw recasters now because recasters were used. This prokfs recast int is poison.
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>>63381125
>mfw

Anyway, I'm willing to bet that plastic kits offering cheaper and more convenient options, and the lanky FW legs being a turn-off to some, are the main reasons why MkIIs didn't sell well. I'd be willing to pay extra money for good MkII legs, but haven't found any. Ended up just using MkIIs for my vehicle crews.
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>>63380383
How many do you need? I can check what I have.
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>>63381183
Phoneposting and autocorrect in another language dont mesh well.
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>>63381125
>>63381183
If I may, my CnF mk2 were top notch. Not the cheapest, but the quality is up there.
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>>63380437
>>63380558
>>63380973
Thanks for the help, everyone. MBS seems out of stock but Bitz Box has some, hopefully they aren't all the same arm and instead are assorted. I imagine the plastic casts from BaC fit the FW resin Cataphractii termies?
>>63381191
Just 5, I bough the base squad from FW forever ago and then went overseas. I'm honestly surprised these were the only bitz I lost.

>>63380918
That's lame as hell, MK2 was my second favorite behind MK3. Are there any good recasters that still do it? I've had very mixed results with chinamen before.
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>>63381502
>hopefully they aren't all the same arm and instead are assorted

They tend to be.

>I imagine the plastic casts from BaC fit the FW resin Cataphractii termies?

They do, so if you can find some on ebay or from anyone who sells FW bits, you can use them. FW arms also come with the lower pad attacked. The main difference between plastic and resin (apart from quality, etc.) is that resin pad's straps have studs at the end, while plastic doesn't.
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Con someone give me any fluff or otherwise reason fulgrim gets a warlord trait compared to other primarchs?
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>>63381905
He is actually really good at executing maneuvers that He and his legion practice. Look at The preplanned defense his legion pulled off "flawlessly" in one of the two Exemplary battle shown. They memorised distances, Formation, patterns and Times pretty well and thus coordinated rather well to take minimal losses.

EC are the OCD legion.
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>>63382024
PS: So one could argue that each warlord traut choice is a set of practices he non-sexually drilled into his Mind until all was right maybe?
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>>63382024
>>63382063
I suppose that makes sense.but it seems weird he is the only primarch with one, like how perturabo was good with logistics and mortarion and his death guard has been described as working as a singular body with mortarion giving orders to his men thousands of miles away with almost pre-cog like nature iirc.
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>>63382284
They are just not perfect enough, desu.
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>>63382284
None Meme answer: FW doesnt give that much of a fuck about the books when writing rules. Which I like.
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>>63381905
Every primarch should have that imo
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>>63382063
>DFG
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>>63382284
>but it seems weird he is the only primarch with one
The other Primarchs have what would otherwise be their warlord trait baked into their rules. Fulgrim was flexible and versed in all the fields of war so he gets to choose a trait to represent that.
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>>63364760
These are some handsome boys, anon.
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I want a BFG navy but Custodes ships

I also want a Unification Wars game where with Thunder Warriors, Emps and Custodes fight TechnoBarbarians and Witch Cults
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>>63356429
Black market miniatures for a kiwi? I noticed they have been shilled a bit on youtube and was wondering what you lads could tell me.
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>>63378149
Better be Cataphractii to take one turn of shooting, and spend points on shoots upgrades.
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>>63378149
Too big squads, and three 10 man squads are a lot of points. You could do two or three 5 man squads instead, and use the spare points elsewhere.
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>>63384370
You already got Custodes rules, you can play Thunder Warriors with Blackshield rules and use Imperila militia rules for technobarbarians and stuff I guess.
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>>63377119
Holy shit I can't believe I missed that in the OP.
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>>63383116
What?
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Am I crazy or is there a direct corellation between legions that have the most recent models and favorite legion in the poll
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>>63376689
Anyone?
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>>63376689
Do you have any assault transports in your list?
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>>63384370
Custodes don't have many ships, they just requisition stuff.
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Using my Audible(tm) subscription, I've started the Horus Heresy, I'm halfway into Horus Rising which I understand to be in Good Tier. Is book 2 False Gods in the same tier?
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What do you guys think of my militia list?
I haven't had much success with it so far but I also haven't played many games with it yet

Discipline Master Cadre [40pts]

Force Commander [185pts]:Cyber-familiar, Flak Armour, Iron Halo, Laspistol
. The Muster of Worlds: Alchem-jackers, Survivors of the Dark Age

Medicae Detachment, Imperialis Militia [50pts]: 4x

Fire Support Squad, Imperialis Militia [180pts]
. Militia Fire Teams: Lascannon

Grenadier Squad, Imperialis Militia [230pts]: Advanced Weapons, 9x Grenadiers, Laslocks
. Arvus Lighter, Auxilia: Twin-linked Lascannon
. Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol
. Special Weapons Grenadier: Plasma Gun
. Special Weapons Grenadier: Plasma Gun

Grenadier Squad, Imperialis Militia [230pts]: Advanced Weapons, 9x Grenadiers, Lasrifles
. Arvus Lighter, Auxilia: Twin-linked Lascannon
. Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol
. Special Weapons Grenadier: Plasma Gun
. Special Weapons Grenadier: Plasma Gun

Grenadier Squad, Imperialis Militia [155pts]: Advanced Weapons, Auxilia Rifles, 17x Grenadiers
. Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol
. Special Weapons Grenadier: Plasma Gun
. Special Weapons Grenadier: Plasma Gun

Infantry Squad, Imperialis Militia [50pts]: Auxilia Rifles
. Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad, Imperialis Militia [50pts]: Auxilia Rifles
. Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Heavy Ordnance Battery, Auxilia [200pts]
. Artillery Carriage Team: 4x Militia Auxilia Crew
. . Artillery Carriage: Medusa Siege Guns
. Artillery Carriage Team: 4x Militia Auxilia Crew
. . Artillery Carriage: Medusa Siege Guns

Militia Auxiliary Battle Tank Attack Squadron [315pts]
. Leman Russ Annihilator: Lascannon
. Leman Russ Vanquisher: Lascannon

Militia Auxiliary Battle Tank Attack Squadron [160pts]
. Leman Russ Demolisher: Heavy Bolter

Baneblade Super-heavy Battle Tank, Auxilia [635pts]: 2x Side sponson with one Lascannon and one twin-linked Heavy bolter
2480
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>>63388089
It’s a notch down, but I still liked it, along with Galaxy in Flames.

>>63387300
Tartaros Termies are fine but benefit more from transports with assault ramps than Cataphractii because of their vulnerability to shooting. So I’m not sure about the combi-plasma guys. I like plasma blasters and mix in a couple of chainfists. And I’d use more single than double lightning claws , personally.
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>>63387454
I can run a Spartan and a Land Raider. Deep striking is also an option
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Finally all put together and ready to paint. Secutarii here we go
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>>63364760
Why does the model on the right look so much larger than the one on the right?
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>>63391096
Hot.
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>>63388229
What Kind of Minis are those? No idea if the list is good but it looks shooty as fuck.
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I repositioned my osirin so it's a better pose, but the fixed head still doesn't do it any favors
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>>63391425
Anvil industries regiments models
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Ran 550 points of outflanking Vorax with my Praevian today. Absolutely one of the most hilarious units I’ve ever taken.

Would do again. Fuck the traitors.
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>>63391116
the virgin miv v chad mark iii
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Wait why can't the TSons use daemonology? I thought the entire problem was that they were secret sorcerers then entire time?
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>>63391695
In any case happy to see militia lists. Drown the Board in bodies!
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>>63391848
Hm should probably think about some in a head of the Gorgon list.
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What 'wolf' aspect did the LW have beside the name?
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>>63359757
Just finished getting through base coats and washes on a Javelin I got in a trade. Then it's highlights and finding a fucking base because he lost it and didn't tell me
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>>63392602
Doing very good Pack attacks and dragging enemies in vulnerable Positions down.
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>>63392753
Ps: Space Wolves are physically wolfy, spiritually they seem more viking.
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>>63391096
How does it fire the main weapon?
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>>63356635
>>63361487
>"The real Pathway to Heaven™ was all the friends we made on the journey, Arvida"

jesus fucking christ
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>>63393156
>
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>>63393127
Normally?
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>>63394408

Can the gun barrels see over the dozer blade?
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>>63394447
Well, there is a gap in it.
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Newfag here looking to start an army, I can't decide between alpha legion and 1k sons. Convince me to play either, anons.
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>>63394622
You'll be despised either way, so go nuts with whatever army looks better.
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>>63391479
The position of the fingers is terrible.
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>>63394454
Not a big enough one. Suddenly utter shit.
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>>63394807
Why are they hated? Also I love both aesthetic wise and lore wise which is kind of why I can't decide
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>>63394622
Roll a die, 1-3 AL and 4-6 AL
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>>63394862
>Not a big enough one.

How do you know?
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>>63394916
dice+1d6
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>>63394954
Well that's embarrassing, I'll assume it landed on AL
I legit can't figure this out, what the hell is an email field
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>>63394890
TS were kind of broken on release, especially one particular list (guard of the crimson king with the primarch and All The Sekhmets,) and upset a lot of people. They've been toned done a bit with an errata, and TS players tend to self-regulate the army's power pretty well, but some of the hate hangs over.

With AL it's mostly that their players often roleplay the legion ("just as planned LOLOLOL", "the heresy was actually 18 alpha legions fighting each other because everyone's an alpha legionary whether they know it or not LOLOLOL", "WTF we can't ever lose, praetorian of dorn is a crime against literature") and it gets a bit tiresome.

So, providing you don't take the broken TS list or do the AL roleplaying thing online, you should be fine.
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>>63395023
Ah, that explains it. I should be fine in both cases. assuming I can find people to play with in the first place
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So I just got into 30K
My army of choice is Talons of the Emperor
I am wanting to do both Sisters of Silence and Custodes
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>63394916
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>>63394981
It's called the Options field now.
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>>63356577
He didn’t help because he valued Angrons life, and world
, more than Angrons feelings (also angrons buddies were borderline heretics), he also did try removing his butcher nails but it didn’t work.

You also have to remember Angron is the only primarch that was a fuckup and hadn’t conquered his world he’d landed on, but not only that he was about to die
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>>63395894
Mortarion didn't fully conquer his world either.
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>>63392062
I’m guessing that the Mk III is a FW resin and the IV is plastic?
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Why are support squads in the troops section and yet don’t fill a compulsory troop choice?
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>>63396635
So that you have to fill the compulsory troop choices before you can take them?
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>>63391479
looks clunky

make the head face the way of the plasma gun hand (if that's even still possible)
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>>63396635

Because they shouldn't be the backbone of an army, but not are they interesting enough to use an Elite slot.
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>wake up for 30k show
>computer is super slow for some reason
>finally loads twitch
>it's been changed to Adeptus Titanicus Lore so quickly they're still showing the wrong logo half the time
>they're talking like nothing happened
I expected nothing and even then my expectations have been subverted.
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>>63397488
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks anon.
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>putting legion rhino doors over sicaran sponson gaps
Kind of neat.
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Anons, I just came into a lot of money and I want to start collecting 30k.

The model ranges that stick out to me the most are

>solar auxilia

And

>mechanicum

But I also have a soft spot for

>night lords

Is there anything I need to know before diving in and collecting?
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>>63397689
Where is that from? Is that a conversion or just a photoshop? If a conversion, do the doors fit directly onto the sides or do they need work?
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>>63397720
Read The lore, read the books and Look at cool army pictures online. Write lore, write a list. Evaluate These, maybe Post them here. Then buy.

Resin is expensive.

t. fellow space conquistador.

>Also my idea of Ferrus is the Best Primarch.
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>>63397720
SA have the potential to be absolutely broken, but they have a lot of customization options that make them easy to build a balanced list with. Mechanicum aren't really broken, but a few options stick out. They have, in my opinion, a gorgeous range of models that makes taking underwhelming units (Ursarax, Vorax) relatively painless since they are just so good-looking. Night Lords are overall pretty mediocre, but are still strong with the right match-ups, and it isn't hard to compliment their cool fluffy units with strong Legion equipment (Scorpius Whirlwinds, Spartans, Medusas, Xiphon, Lightnings etc).

Basically, choose the army you like the look and feel of the most. Ignore rules when it comes to choosing your army, WAAC is boring and has no place in Horus Heresy.
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>>63397861
>>63397929
Thanks anons

The overall tone of this particular game and community seems so much more friendly than standard 40k.

It's kind of like the divide in historical wargames, there's the snooty WAAC WW2 players, and then there's ancients players.

HH seems more like ancients players
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>>63397748
It's a conversion, just a screencap I took off the twitch stream. So, not sure how easy it was to actually do, sorry.
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>>63398052
I hope in all The good ways. Have fun.
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>>63398052
yeah, I give no shits for 40k except maybe for the orks, those guys are awesome.
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in what book does the deathlords change
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>>63398574
Genestealer Cults are amazing. Every Kind of throw back has me hooked. This actually managed to.
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>>63395342
Cool. Just don’t use those ugly 40k bikes
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>>63398721
Ps: Playing Space Isis worshipping eldritch Horrors is fun!
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>>63398751
So no bikes at all?
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>>63398874
C'mon, the new GSC bike dykes look alright.
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>>63398924
>custodes on GSC dirt bikes
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>>63398874
Use all the bikes you want
just not the 40k ones
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>>63398924
Didnt catch they were Grills. Do like the dirtbike Look. Had hoped for a Release in december...
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>>63398974
>shit one GW bikes for being ugly
>fine with FW bikes

Really now?
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>>63384653
bumping for an aussie
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>>63398720
This one, but it's not out until feburary or so.

If you meant forgeworld black book, then who the hell knows, they're so far behind black library in the storyline it's ridiculous.
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>>63397861
Jesus Perty looks unhinged as fuck.
Legit better portraits of primarchs than FW.
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>>63398971
just give each two, as a roller blades
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>>63399019
At least the fw bikes don’t have obese riders
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On twitch some sagittarum just one-shotted a thanatar. So they're getting nerfed.

(Just kidding, I know FW don't do kneejerk nerfs like GW do.)
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>>63399164
>can't switch the rider torso
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>>63399091
i heard people talking about how typus lead them to nurgle before the HH ended what book is that and what book tells mortarion origin story
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>>63399200
Of course not, they'll nerf them 2 years later.
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>>63399217
If you really want to spend the extra money
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>>63399275
>few custodes torsos are going to break your bank

Even with extra bits it's cheaper and way better looking than those FW abominations.
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>>63399316
Nah both bikes look like shit
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>>63399126
I like FWs, but this artist is amazing.
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>>63399477
I'll still take the plastic bike over the resin one.
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>>63399539
>40k models in 30k
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>>63399567
>t. autism
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>>63399126
He was
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The stream that was supposed to be about Horus Heresy was instead about Adeptus Titanicus. They changed it at the last minute. It's like they really don't care anymore.
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>>63399601
>models that aren’t the proper size and don’t have the correct weapons loadout
I hope you only plan on playing with just your friends anon because otherwise you’re going to confuse anyone who doesn’t know the talons of the emperor army
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>>63399683
>models that aren’t the proper size

You gonna lose your shit if I bring a MkI land raider instead of a proper proteus?

>don’t have the correct weapons loadout

Because that's hard as hell to do, right?
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>>63399777
its your hobby man if you want to use those Frankenstein models in 30k then go ahead. Just dont expect everyone to agree with that decision
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>>63361487
when I read Scars, it happened. When I read PoH, it happened. Anytime I look at a gorgeous WS army on instagram or here, I want to make some Mogolian biker bois.
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>>63400096
>HH is what FW puts out and nothing more

Don't worry, anon, I'm not going to trigger your autism, you can stay in your safe space and enjoy your resin crack as much as you like.
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>>63400650
>waah waaaah let me use my ugly gw models
>you must only like fw
no anon you are the autism
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>>63400714
You're alright, anon, don't come to Isstvan tomorrow.
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So in the stream game:
>night lords mostly jobbed, though a contemptor killed a lot of stuff
>blood angels jobbed (don't charge assault marines into scyllax, kids)
>custodes got work done
>mechanicum got work done
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>>63394447
Easily. Plenty of space
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Et tu, Horus?
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>>63399567
>Wanting people not to have fun because "MUH 40k!"
>The 40k models actually look like the old artworks of Custodes jetbikes more than the FW dildobikes do.
Fuck off. The only thing worst than you is the cancer that killed Bligh.
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So with the new Blood Angels stuff I have been looking at a small 1K points pride of the legion army, thoughts and feedback would be appreciated.
Praetor in tartaros to use the sweet new mini, with a command squad of 4
Two termie squads. One with an ass cannon because may as well take it since they can use it. The other squad using lightning claws and combi volkites along side a plasma blaster.
A dread of one of two load outs. Either 2 CCW with ass cans on the underside, or a mortis with 2 twin lascannons.

The army would be a starting point just to get in a few games more then anything, maybe do a shattered legion army or something. Problem one is it would be foot slog central, but at 1k points I figure that could just sort of be it's theme almost. Second issue is the patterns of armour. Ass cans only come in cataphracti, and the plasma blaster, in spite of coming in the tart box, can only be used by the cats. Is a plasma blaster worth taking? I figured the good AP would help deal with harder targets that the dread can't rend or fist to death.
Does it sound like a list that could be fun, or is it suicide even at 1K points to just be 3 boxes of termies?
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>>63401101
Seems about right.
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>>63400096
>Frankenstein models

Off topic but do please tell, how does anon expect someone to play militia?
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>>63401786
Is that Emperor meant to be a girl, or have I been on 4chan too long?
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>>63399229
That sounds like the old Index Astartes article on the Death Guard. But for more info on Morty, read the black book with them (the first one).
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One out of Five done
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>>63401946
I feel you/your opponents will have the same problem as armoured breakthrough games: either your opponent has enough AP2 to hard counter you and you have a really unfun game, or they don't and they have a really unfun game. Especially at 1k, any chump spending a quarter of their points on useless-against-terminators tactical squads is going to struggle to make up the difference.
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>>63402108
That's an issue I didn't really think of. Good to know that may be an issue. Maybe I can retool one termi squad to be a vet squad to make it a little more balanced. Thanks for the heads up.
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>>63401862
Here’s your legion bro
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>>63402299
He has a point with The bike Design, but supporting FW is important
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>>63402299
Iron within broter
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>>63402417
Or rather Chrome.
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>>63399777
Mars pattern land raiders and rhinos are fine. I can't be bothered to search for the IW mars rhino.
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>>63402036
No, it might just be the light but that model looks like it has tits
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>>63402299
Oh my, chymeridae Blackshields in modified mk4, I see.
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>>63402513
Everything is better with tits, the bangels should know.
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>>63402024
Unsung any of the hundreds of guard models produced by Gw or fw
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>>63402024
>>63402579
or third party like Anvilindustry and victorianminiatures
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>>63402299
Joke's on you, I already use the Repulsor as a quasi grav-rhino.
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>>63402443
I meant the OG MkI plastic land raider, which is a good inch+ shorter than the proteus.
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>>63402579
The moment some company makes pic related that fit Custodes bikers, I'll give them my money. So far haven't seen any.
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>>63402805
Already exists by a third party, but think they went OOP. They had a terminator too.
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>>63402914
>Already exists by a third party

Those were for Marines. Haven't seen one that seats a Custodian.
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>>63402936
Corvex seats a custodian no problem, I don't see why those wouldn't.
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>>63402148
So what do you mean with tatas cant use plasma blasters? All terminator armors have identical options (some unique stuff non withstanding)
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>>63403044
Does a Custodian sit into a regular SM bike no problem? Because those 3rd party SM jetbikes are made with SM bikers in mind.
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>>63403166
Yes, actually. It'll look awkward on account of the size, but the old art for the jetbikes is also pretty awkward, so it'd work out.
That said, the missing massive eagle on those old bike sculpts is a strike against those, I feel.
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>>63397861
So Dolph Lundgren is Ferrus and Mr Prison Break is Alpharius, who are the rest?
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>>63403657
Got pics?

>missing massive eagle

Already seen some with a pair of Sanguinary Guard wings on them. Probably can find an eagle head to slap on as a hood ornament. Then just have to find a good halberd head to put on the lance.
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>>63356429
Anyone have the pic of the HH novel rankings?
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>>63403717
>Angron

Ok, not really, but it was the first thing I thought of.
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>>63402760
Ooh my bad.
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>>63403162
Oh. I thought they couldn't by what battle scribe was showing. I was meaning to check that out with the book but haven't gotten around to it as the idea was more a thought I had on a bus.
I do prefer the tarts just aesthetically in spite of them being hard worse. But rule wise they work better with BA then my other legion, AL.
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>>63403717
Better pictures of the art:
https://imgur.com/a/s9TV7yv

Here's at least Dorn, Ferrus and Lion:
https://9gag.com/tag/miguel-iglesias
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>>63403717
>Mr Prison Break is Alpharius

lmao I always thought this. That literally guy is as close to Alpharius we'll ever get. Too bad his brother wasn't a twin.
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>>63404434
*opens the book with his rules in*
Hmmmmmmmm, yes this is very hard to decipher
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>>63396079
Yeah but Mortarion effectively organized his people and there was only his "father" left to destroy when the Emperor intervened. Angron barely managed to organize his own fighter pit from one city (other slaves from other pits just came to him iirc).

>>63397516
Never expect anything from them

>>63397689
Real neato
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jus learned there ways a 30k stream or something today? just a studio game or anything of note?
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>>63408721
What are you talking about citizen? There was only a Titanicus talk today.
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>>63408721
It was Titanicus
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>>63408743
>>63408742

Oh cool, the fun 30k game. Too bad gw priced it to death
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>>63408849
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Adeptus-Titanicus-Titan-Battlegroup-2018
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>>63408849
The price for AT is fine lol
Either you're a poorfag or Australian
(and neither of those are human)
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>>63408742
>>63408743
well. thanks for filling me in that it was just AT stuff.
Another question, to anyone really. im starting up a traitor mechanicum army after finally making the dive into 30k. I already have 2 magos,2 thallax cohorts of 3 "men" each, 2 castellax bolt cannon models, 40 tech thralls total, and 1 thanatar siege automata. Is there anything that i should look into getting thats, a staple to bring in a 30k list? the main forces ill probobly face at the FLGS are word bearers, EC, Luna wolves (all traitor) some loyalist auxillia and dark angles, salamanders, iron hands and probably loyalist world eaters. not looking to stomp anyone, i want to leave that shit behind in 8th ed 40k, just dont want to get walked all over by gal vorbok, jetbikes draconian transports with flair shields or primarchs.
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>>63409101
Really all I can suggest is Scoria
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Anyone know if the assault cannons are the right size to fit in the contemptor dreadnaught CCW built in weapon area?
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>>63409187
No, but there's plenty of gatling gun barrels you can fit in there, such as the Taurox Prime gatling cannon barrels.
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>>63409101
First of all, welcome to the heresy.

I would say you should get some Krios Venators (?). Not the large blast ones, the ones that have the equivalent to 4 lascannons. Vorax are also pretty dang good for outflanking and taking out enemy support units and honestly just a fun unit. I like hordes and they're fun to play against so if you get some more tech thralls you'll be well liked among your group and also have lots of bodies to protect your important units.

Dracosans and jetbikes aren't super bad (unless it's an entire army of Scars jetbikes, idk how DA ones are). A knight wouldn't be remiss to deal with Gal Vorbak or even Primarchs if you're lucky (although if you're going up against Primarchs you can always just get Scoria to whip out his giant robo cock and lay it across your opponents face), and since you're mech you can use the cool ones like the Atrapos.
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>>63409187
Saw one here a while back where the assault cannons were rotor cannons attached to the underside of the fists. Seems like an easy solution.
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>>63409090
I was a little fine with it, that's why I have the launch set and some extra knights. The problem is everyone in my area that was going to get into it laughed when the prices were revealed and said 'fuck that, no way I'm paying that much for a couple models'
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>>63409262
>>63409331
Sorry wasn't clear. The Cataphractii Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon are the ones I was referring to. Rather then the full out kheries ones.
Yeah I was thinking about doing the underside of the fists but not sure how I will like that once I cut off the Cataphractii arms.
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>>63409410
If you're making dual fist dread, I'd suggest looking into the Ravenwing Accessory Pack for the twin-assault cannons of the Saberclaw. They're mirrored with ammo feed on opposite sides, etc.
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>>63409124
i've looked up his rules after learning about his fluff, he does seem pretty good, especially in a legio cybernetica list. his special (not)robot looks cool too. shame his model is like $120 iirc

>>63409264
Thank you and Ave Omnissiah. the kiros tank hunter variant looks pretty useful. I do have a knight errant i was building in 7th ed 40k to be part of my imperial guard, but its not even fully build yet so im thinking of throwing that into my now growing collection. i wish i knew about 30k being a game rather than just a series of books before i started collecting models. would have plenty more tech thralls by now.
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>>63409492
Nice I didn't even think about that. Thanks for the heads up.
Yeah the plan is a BAngels dread with 2 CCW with the twin ass cans in it's fists. Preferably inside.
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>>63409600
Mounting assault cannons inside the fists is easy. Just get a set of Taurox Prime gatling cannons (each comes with 2 sets of guns), cut the barrels down to the muzzle (the grill bit around the end of the barrels) and pop it into the hole at the end of the dreadnought fist. Combi-bolter ammo boxes on the wrist for added effect. There, done.
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>>63409708
None of those on ebay from a quick look sadly. But if they fit it gives me the info I need. Was planning on using the stormbolters ammo feed anyways just to be lazy. Thanks.
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>>63409764
Puppets War sells these:
https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=457

The magnet hole is 3mm wide, so it should give some idea of the scale.
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Is there any reason to take Tartaros Armor over just taking Artificer Armor and a Refractor Field?

I know Tartaros counts as two models because it’s bulky, but is that the only benefit?
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>>63410096
I always get it mixed up but Relentless, or slow and purposeful, one of those two you get for having terminator armour.
In reality Artificer and Refractor is just better in most situations. Even more so when you consider you can take a bike and gain relentless as well as a free twinlinked bolter.
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>>63410096
Terminator bodyguard.
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>>63410096
>Bulky
>benefit
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>>63410333
For some legions like NL and SoH, it is.
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>>63410367
>>63410333
Push 'em over and kick them while they are on the ground.
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>>63410333
Sounds like someone needs to go to /fit/.
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>>63410505
Not going back, I believed the SS jokes.
Never going back.
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>>63410541
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>>63410905
Starting Strength, lots of mikk and oats and I Fell for eating more to build more.
Stupid idea for a beginne.
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>>63411239
Aren't you supposed to eat at a caloric surplus to build muscle? And is eating a lot of milk and oats (overnight oatmeal?) a bad thing?
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>>63408721
>>63409101
Don't know what those other anons are talking about, there was indeed a streamed game, BA & goldenbois vs NL and darkmech. Quite a good game in fact, looked like it was going to be called end of turn 2 but they kept going and it ended up incredibly tight. Only other thing (apart from the titanicus talk) was a tale of four warlords thing with them showing their respective armies' latest additions, if you like that sort of thing.
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>>63411555
Yes, but I am unsure that it helped that much. 3 Times a week of Judo would have been ok without going over my Hunger. That was stupid.
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>>63411817
One can watch this some where?
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>>63411839
You can, but only if you're a subscriber to their twitch channel, because GW gonna GW. I don't know of anybody who reuploads their stuff myself, maybe another anon might know though.
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>>63407600
Not since the FAQ.
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>>63412432
The fuck are you talking about?
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>>63411887
Thanks. Will take a Look.
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>>63412432
>>63412558
Don't listen to people without sources
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>>63412835
Hence my asking what the fuck he was on about. The anon was clearly either drunk or an idiot.
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FUCK! I want Malevolence! This decides which way my Legion purchases go.

>At least we know it comes out February.
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>>63413596
>know

More like "hope and pray".
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Well, how do I use non FW mentined fortifications? Just use old 7e point values? I need bunkers, desperately!
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>>63414546
I'm pretty sure what fortifications are in the HH rulebook are what you get. No more GW style trench networks and fortified positions, unless you use one of the FOCs with more than 1 Fortification slot.
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>>63414594
Aw man, well. Will try to work around that. Thank you.
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>>63413072
Or just ignorant. Thanks for clearing it up, I asked the question to begin with, didn't have the book available at that moment.
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>>63414594
Or if you take a mechanicum HQ magos with whateveritsnamed upgrade, that allows you one extra fortification.
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>>63415263
Or use SA for extra Aegis lines.
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>>63415263
Thanks, thats a good idea.
>>63415312
I am working on Solar Auxila, I plan on getting a Primus Redoubt and some Aegis.
I had hoped for void shield generators or sth similar to make the point even stronger, but as it seems the rules do no allow that.
Also what is a good source of anti air for SA, excluding hyperios tarantulas and fliers?The only thing I can think of is the Aegis line lascannon emplacements.
I wish there was something vcool, Hydra-esque.
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>>63415366
Don't Aegis get AA gun options or is that barred from SA's non-Fortification Aegis?
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>>63415643
They do, it a lascannon with HUGE reach but sadly only one shot. Or the Hyperios missile That is why I mentioned I wanted to exclude them. I wish there was BRRRT anti air for them.
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>>63415366
>I wish there was something vcool, Hydra-esque.

Maybe something like pic related? It's not a vehicle, but it's like a trailer mounted AA that can be driven to a location and set up. Sort of like the M45 quadmount on a trailer.
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>>63415727
Yu, but sadly not in FW rules.
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>>63415681
What rules are you looking at? My Crusade Imperialis Army List says the SA Special slot Aegis can have Ammunition Dump, Comms Relay, Icarus Lascannon and Quad Gun.
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>>63415796
The Primus redoubt can get a Hyperios if my memory doenst betray me and Aegis line has as anti air option the Icarus lascannon. It is one shot, right? Am I mistaken?
I could be spouting bullshit since I do not have the rules here.
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>>63415992
My point is that since Aegis lines get quads guns, you don't have to get the Redoubt for the AA and can use your Fortification slot for something else.
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>>63416098
Oh, I like the Redoubt. I am just worried about LOW fliers. How do I combat these monsters? For that I would like a dedicated SA anti air, hell even a Caestus assault ram has pretty beefy front armour.
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>>63416140
Primaris-Lightning?
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>>63416306
Yes, but I had hoped (as I mentioned) that there was some ground based solution nestled some where. So except for allied or Icarus guns there seems no solution. I dislike trusting my Flyers to arrive on time.
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>>63415727
Careful posting artillery trailers here, autists got pretty buttmad a few threads back when anon posted a kitbashed earthshaker. Something about the tires.
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>>63416357
Tarantulas?
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>>63416399
Thought about them, also Nice and cheap. Might Experiment with it. Thank you.
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>>63416363
THE TIRES WERE TOO SMALL AAAAAAHH
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>>63415366
What Solar aux color scheme are you doing btw?
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>>63411239
I’m literally a personal trainer and SS works.

You literally did not do the dieting or routine correctly. It is basic stuff.
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>>63416853
It worked out anyway, might be I fucked up but I decided to not trust people on the internet in health regarding issues.
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>>63416551
A Lot of white, I want to punish myself. Will See how it works out.
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>>63416537
They really were.. but the discussion was mostly fueled by anger about bad manners and autism.
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>>63416895
Oh interesting, good luck!
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>>63417477
Thank you, might post if I manage to cut time free to paint and build.
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>>63416895
>A Lot of white

Will they have BS2?
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>>63418255
Nope, not stormtroopers. Selenite geneguard, SA regiments drawn from the Luna gene-cult's troops. Since they capitulated rather fast after the Luna Wolves got to them I assumed that some troops might have survived, maybe on the dark side of the moon (hah) that was not turned to earth and thus less in reach of the boarding torpedos. In any case, the idea is that they, like the rest of the populace (according to the sources I read) focus on human patterns of perfection to achieve and that the cloning science and gene-forges of Luna that the emperor actually NEEDED to perfect and further accelerate the legion building process.
Stands to reason they also have some warrior caste built around thesep patterns (maybe Ekdromoi compared to full Marines?).

Luna had the tech and the forces to stand apart from Mars before so it is not a wide leap to say that their troops were also harnessed into the great crusade, on one hand to the Luna Wolves by right of conquest so to speak and also that they carry the name of their "homeworld".
Second, the gene seed crisis. Maybe rebellious Selenites did it...maybe agents of chaos who knows. In any case, a hook I like is that the Selenites saw themselves responsible in not preventing it on their home turf.
Thus it was petitioned for and granted that they outfit regiments to accompany what was left of the IIIrd as well, to mitigate their losses and try to help them survive.

Obviously the whole Solar Auxilia gear standardisation came later with the saturnine void hoplites, but Luna had the tech, zero-g and space technology and experience to probably be a good addition to the ranks of the SA.

I like the idea of a miture of bondsmen/Krieg light guys with a slight guilt and responsibility and a unique culture to bring to the table. I plan to implement some mirror coins on the banner and maybe some characters as well as some Iconography thet we know from the pacification of Luna, the third Legion and the Luna Wolves.
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>>63418537
PS: Never wrote about this, somehow had/have the feeling it loses its magic by telling it and not having finished it before.
Maybe worrying that someone comes along and somehow DONUTSTEELS this idea. I just liked it a lot, but did not have the time for so long.
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>>63418537
>A Lot of white
>cloning
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>>63418537
The science and forges etc that they had surely also were bent on having a proper corp of warriors. Somehow forgot to tack that to the NEEDED sentence.

In general I really like some hard scifi and the SA fit the bill for me. They balance pulp space opera ,being space conquistadors with being just regular guys in industrial/ diving gear of the last century.

Just look at that guy I found on wikipedia. 30k spacemen/ imperial guard predecessors have some similar appeal, but they are not just mooks. They actually still have hope and the possibility to understand science and society. There still is hope.
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>>63418537
It's a shame you can't easily swap out the heads on SA models, unless you plan on using 3rd party stuff to make the models. More astronaut style stuff would be cool on them, to go with the white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roa1ei6Lm-s
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>>63418618
Not necessarily, we do not know specifically. As it seems the cults were pretty tribal until they got scared enough by emps to unify. They worshiped or tried to emulate archetypes manifesting in flesh and mind of humans. Some sects did it by amazing cloning and/or by emulating teachings and beliefs.
There had to be at least one warrior sect, or cults having subdivisions to defend themselves.

I won't try to go all out fanfiction here and leave as much as I can tastefully non elaborated on.

The white also makes senseb ecause of the moon being white/grey(duh) and it being the colours of the Luna Wolves.

I swear to the imperial truth I did not think about stormtroopers or clone troopers conciously. I like the mystical and religious aspect they had in their science which the imperials thought of as superstitions.

This is not the cold sterilit of the Kaminoans.
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>>63418775
I agree, but I actually really like the SA minis themselves. FW did really well with them. Bought them from them and plan to support the line further.

No helmet change needed for me, especially on the Veletaris wh just look amazing. The regular Lasrifle guys look a bit dork with their two eye-holes, but that grew on me and increases the wierd ancient far future space tec vibe.



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