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>Saturday December 8 - DAZN US Sky Sports UK
Kell Brook vs. Michael Zerafa
Jono Carroll vs Guillaume Frenois

>Saturday December 8 - ESPN US Boxnation UK
Vasyl Lomachenko vs Jose Pedraza
Isaac Dogboe vs Emanuel Navarrete

>Saturday December 8 - HBO US
Cecilia Braekhus vs Aleksandra Magdziak-Lopes
Juan Francisco Estrada vs Victor Mendez

>Friday December 14 - ESPN+ US
Gilberto Ramirez vs Jesse Hart

>Saturday December 15 - BT Sport UK
Sunny Edwards vs Junior Granados
Daniel Dubois vs Razvan Cojanu

>Saturday December 15 - DAZN US Sky Sports UK
Canelo Alvarez vs Rocky Fielding
David Lemieux vs Tureano Johnson

>Saturday December 22 - BT Sport Box Office UK
Josh Warrington vs Carl Frampton
Mark Heffron vs Liam Williams

>Saturday December 22 - Sky Sports Box Office UK DAZN US
Dillian Whyte vs Dereck Chisora
Cristofer Rosales vs Charlie Edwards

>Saturday December 22 - FOX US
Jermall Charlo vs Willie Monroe Jr
Jermell Charlo vs Tony Harrison
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Source for these numbers is Muso an anti piracy group so probably in their interests to make them seem as high as possible but still.
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browne, haye, oquendo,
the first two when people still thought they had something left in them.
how good a run would it have been, and where would he rank?
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>>89422095
smells like bullshit desu
this was at $75 which is lower than usual right?
anyway, the biggest piracy deterrent is reasonable pricing and the high ppv prices in america do more harm to the sport than good
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>>89422096
Honestly Bellew fed off Haye's name, that was more Haye than Eddie.

The thing you really have to take your hat off to Eddie for is the outrageous stunt of convincing people to pay £20 for two B level heavyweights in Whyte vs Parker, and then managing it again with Whyte vs Chisora. Increcible.
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>>89422095
Don't know how they would measure that accurately with so many sources. This is one of the problems PBC will face if they want to churn out PPVs at $75, streams are more accessible than ever but if it's $10 for a legal stream then more people will be prepared to pay if the fight is good
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when is he fighting linares?
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What did he mean by this?
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>>89422299
He means with a hammer, gypsy rules
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>>89422127
Probably next seeing as Mikey wants to go get banged out by the best welterweight in the world.
Pointless imo but there's no one else to fight
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>>89422299
Juicin J don't want that smoke
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>>89422323
He could fight Hooker. Linares at 140 now
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>>89422299
aj duckin big john
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>>89422340
Broner vs Linares would be entertaining
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>>89422360
Not likely to happen with competing networks. I meant Hooker vs Linares. Berchelt could move up and fight Loma
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>>89422340
Hookers a bum, the division needs some new blood
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>>89422381
He's a world champion, all the new blood is the WBSS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6reTvgmx7c0

Based. He's back again.
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How can one man be so bitter lads?
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>>89422573
It was shit until last 4 rounds
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>>89422630
Don't care, I'm one of the biggets manlet boxing hipsters around and I can still call a spade a spade. If that wasn't a great fight what is.
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>>89422573
He's a plonker
Must feel like a right twat completely dismissing Fury before the fight
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>>89422573
@7min, it's definitely a click-bait title and he's pretty respectful desu
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>>89422117
It was higher than usual. Most ppv here are around 60-65 dollars.
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>>89422573
>Wilder adding fuel to the controversy even though he's subtly hinted at wanting to cash out early and has nothing personal against Fury
>Fury scouting out giant arenas because he knows Wilder's shit stirring will make the rematch bigger
Based Wilder and Fury are playing 9D chess while Hearn is still stuck in the 2D plane.
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Interesting Tbh, out of left field.
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>>89422695
He looked fucking awful in his last fight, Hughie looked even worse and he won the fight but he'll get absolutely battered by any decent HW in the world
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>>89422573
It's a click bait headline. He said the fight was dramatic but not great because there weren't a lot of punches landing
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>>89422686
this desu. Both Wilder and Fury are now in bantz mode trying to stir up a bigger interest in the rematch.
Like when Ali implied Wepner called him a nigger in order to drive up ticket sales.
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>>89422713
Nah he looked pretty sharp and is obviously on every PED there is. He won't beat the top 3 but he'd give anyone else a very good fight. There's a reason Whyte ducked him.
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>>89422713
alri fury
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>>89422672
>>89422714
He's still trying to be as sneakily negative about it as he can possibly be without outright calling it bad. Bitter bastard.
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>>89422722
wasn't that because Pulevs promotional company kept outbidding everyone by a massive margin and forced all the potential opponents to take the challenger purse split of 25% and not because they couldn't beat him
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>>89422748
Nothing to do with the split, Whyte just refused to fight because he didn't have home advantage. Still a duck, if Wilder refused to fight AJ despite making less money there unless it was in America imagine how that would go down.
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>>89422713
t. Seething Gypsy
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>>89422746
Same interview he says he spoke to Tyson and told him he was wrong about him getting injured and he won the fight. Can't be that bitter if you speak to the man yourself.
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>>89422722
Big Baby Miller also ducked him don't forget. Outright refused a final eliminator to fight Bodgan Dinu instead.
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>>89422765
not sure you can call that a duck really mate
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>>89422765
Whyte made a lot more money fighting Parker, IBF split was 75/25 and if he beats Chisora he becomes a mandatory anyway. Same for Miller there's a better path. Nobody wanted to fight Joe Joyce because he hadn't earned his spot to make it worthwhile, that's the business
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>>89422822
Again, imagine if Wilder refused to fight AJ unless it was in America, British fans would be calling him every name under the sun. Whyte doesn't get to get away with it because he's British.

>>89422876
Excuses. Call it a better path if you like but it's still a pure and simple duck. If it had been in the UK Whyte would have taken it.
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>>89422896
>Again, imagine if Wilder refused to fight AJ unless it was in America
He effectively did when he rejected $15 million and they moved onto Showtime owning the show. That's not comparable to Whyte's situation though when he had 3 options that were the same and had no real obligation to fight Pulev
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>>89422695
TR is trying in any way they can to be part of AJ payday
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>>89422896
>fights a better opponent for more money
not really comparable to refusing a unification and if you think British fighters don't get called out, particularly here, frankly you're deluded
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>>89422970
>That's not comparable to Whyte's situation though when he had 3 options that were the same and had no real obligation to fight Pulev

No, that's rewriting history. The Parker fight was a last minute bodge job because they bottled the Pulev fight when they didn't get home advantage. I 100% guarantee they would have taken it if they felt they could win.

>>89422996
Again. All they were talking about was the Pulev fight until they didn't get home advantage then they threw their toys out of the pram and the Parker fight came totally out of nowhere. They had to go and find a fight they thought they could win instead.
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Kell Brook gonner it im with the chocolate braaney
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>>89423025
E's reade, Edde
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>>89423044
E's an ungre lion
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>>89423011
Why would he go to Bulgaria on a 25% cut? Whyte was the bookmaker underdog against Parker and he made more money, what everyone else would have done. You're either thick or consumed by Matchroom seething if you expect them to take shitty options.
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>>89423101
Lol exactly. No one wants to see Pulev fight anyway. The man is literally a cure for insomnia.
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>>89422360
Broner at this point would die trying to make 140.
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>>89423161
I honestly believe broner was taking diuretics to get down there in the first place. Look at how he was dwarfing fighters.
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>>89422713
He looked awful because he took the safest gameplan and took no chances, he didnt have to grab after every jab but he did anyway, and patiently he broke the shitter down, it was a good performance, good cardio, form and his chin proved to be solid
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>>89423180
You enjoyed that fight?
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>>89423193
Im not going to go along with the retarded argument youre trying to make
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>>89423101
They expected Pulev to do the same. It's ok when it's the foreigner opponent but when the shoe is on the other foot they bottle it and pull out. If we as fans start accepting every time a fighter bottles a fight for financial reasons we only have ourselves to blame when that's what they do.
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>>89423208
You're the only one who enjoyed it. Hughie Fury is shit tier and Chisora only fights well when he's pushed. Pulev is basic, always has been. His record is padded with Mongolian bin men.
We all saw what happened when he fought an elite fighter.
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>>89423244
>We all saw what happened when he fought an elite fighter.

Same with Dillian Whyte.
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>>89423253
Exactly
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>>89423208
>>89423193
Pulev is the last of the old style European shitters. Big stiff grab and jab bums. What HWS does top rank even have besides that one guy who went the distance with wlad?
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>>89423244
What does me enjoying it or not have to do with anything you brainlet? He defeated Fury soundly with a jab, Parker lost to Hughie. He still has a chin and a gas tank, tough opponent for anyone thats not the top 3
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I rewatched the fight and gave Wilder 3 rounds. The 3rd round I gave him could've easily gone to fury, but I was looking to give him something. If not for those two kd's, this would've been a clean 120-108 type fight.
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What price point would you buy PPVs for anons?

I think I could say that for £9.99 I'd probably buy all of the good ones. Would take £5 for me to buy the shittier ones like Haye Bellew II or Whyte Parker. It's ultimately just about which events I want to support at this point because there are crystal clear 1080p acestreams for all of them these days. I certainly won't be paying £20 to watch AJ knock out another bum.
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>>89423282
see
>>89422985
TR's stable is irrelevant
Pulev could get $6/8m vs AJ atm, maybe more
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>>89423320
The two kd's is a bad look though so it gives a lot of casuals and brainlets ammo to argue that Wilder was 'in the fight', when he really looked confounded most of the time. I'm also starting to suspect that Fury is a chinlet.
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>>89423324
To be honest I'm happy to pay £20 but I only buy the elite ones on at a decent UK time. Last year that was Wlad AJ and Brook Spence, this year it was Eubank Groves and Usyk Gassiev.

Won't pay money to watch any of the other trash they've been charging for or something on at 5am.
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>>89423324
about £20 a month isn't bad I guess, don't have any subscription services though since Boxnation announced it wouldn't get Canelo GGG 2 + I don't have Sky or BT so I guess i'd pay more for ppvs than the average fan
If you think you'd get good ppv's for £10 or £5 for Haye Bellew 2 or Whyte Parker you're nuts btw
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>>89423324
£9.99 is reasonable I think. Agreed, unless it's a card littered with good, world-class fights which, let's face it fast car will never deliver, I'm not paying £20 to watch AJ making Pulev take a shit in the ring.
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>>89423347
Fury took a left from Wilder after being knocked down in round 12. If he's a chinlet, then everyone else is made of glass.
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>>89423364
>If you think you'd get good ppv's for £10 or £5 for Haye Bellew 2 or Whyte Parker you're nuts btw

I don't necessarily. But if they charged that much they'd get my money whereas since they charge £20 they're not getting any of it. Thing is in isolation £20 a month isn't bad but when I can get it all in perfect quality for free and I know what I'm being served isn't elite why pay at all.
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>>89423388
Reminded me of Tyson Douglas a lot Tbh
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>>89423320
The3rdround? Besides 9 and 12 I think that 6 & 7 are the closest to wilder wins
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Reminder that /ourguy/ will end the Pacmeme and the Pacfags once and for all. Be sure to lend him your energy!
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>>89423388
To be fair that left was a slap. But the right hand has put how many dudes away prior? You can't argue that Fury can't take a punch. He got up and fought better after the second knockdown.
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>>89423424
I struggle to give Wilder 3 rounds lol.
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>>89423347
>survives two KDs from objectively the hardest hitter in the division
>chinlet
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>>89423424
for what it's worth I had Wilder getting the 9, 12 (obvs), 4 and one of 6 or 7 can't remember which
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>>89423444
Refreshing to see an American say this.
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>>89423435
I'll be lending Pacman my energy, django. Get off my forum.
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>>89423444
The first kd was weak. And the second looks like it was staged. So maybe he's just an actor and not a chinlet. But the way he fought vs. Klitschko was also like a guy who was afraid of his chin getting touched. I think he's hiding glass.
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>>89423518
>t. Maidana
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>>89423532
He's a heavyweight. Why even take the chance of eating a punch - especially a punch from the heavyweight boogeyman of power punching.
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If Usyk moves up and beats all these big slow guys will he have GOAT status?
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>>89423347
Fury isn't a chinlet, he's just not that athletic and has a weak base. Its a strange combo since he is a really skilled boxer

It's really easy for him to fall over or get off balance
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>>89423721
Yes. But he won’t
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>>89423739
He won't move up? Or he won't clean out the division?
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>>89423747
He won’t beat all the giants. No way he beats fury for example. He’d eat jabs all night just trying to get close enough to touch him
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>>89423443
>>89423458
Tbh I don't think I can give Wilder anything in the first five rounds.

>>89423471
>>89423532
Still, no one hits as hard as Wilder. He must have a better chin than Ortiz...
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>>89423776
He's much faster than Fury with better technique. Usyk will out-box him.
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asd
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>>89423793
>Still, no one hits as hard as Wilder. He must have a better chin than Ortiz...

i doubt that, hes just more evasive, ortiz took a lot of punishment before he was defeated
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Based Usyk will become undisputed at heavyweight FOH
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Wilder vs Duhaupas was the best showing of the Wilder Windmill KO barrage. Imagine if he used that shit against Fury.
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>>89423933
Fury doesn't just stand in front of him with a high guard
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>>89423347
In what way is Fury a chinlet?
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>>89424029
He literally died in the ring. Power of Jesus brought him back
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>>89424069
Dogbae will left hook the entire division into the shadow realm
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>>89424069
Yet his legs were fine and he was able to jog to one end of the ring. A chinlet would have been shaking even after getting up.
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>>89424133
>>89424133
Find me a more based duo

>>89424135
Power of christ my guy
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>>89422630
this
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>>89423794
nah, that doesn't happen.

Think Lewis vs Holyfield

Lewis being Fury, Holyfield being Usyk

Just a lot worse for for Usyk.
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>>89424069
He literally ate it and got back up to keep on fighting just fine, not to mention Wilder is the hardest hitting HW.
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>le fury has no chin meme

literally every pro at the higher weights gets knocked down in their career

what's more important is how they get up

can't believe I actually have to reiterate this to people here.
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>>89424173
>>89423794
>implying anyone's eyes would be able to keep up with Usyk vs Fury
>ends in draw because judges couldn't process the fight
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>>89424231
Usyk is probably too short desu. I don't see how he'd get inside agianst Fury.
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can someone please impersonate floyd
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Imagine if in some future timeline Joe Joyce vs Dubois is a PPV with titles on the line. Shittiest promotion for a PPV ever?
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>>89424231
Fury would just lean back, Usyk wouldn't be able to touch him

Fury said he'd do the same against Povetkin (Usyk's level and height)
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>>89424273
>>89424321
You can't dodge what you can't see coming
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updates on Stevenson please

He'll be ok, r-r-r-right....?
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>>89424430
he has brain damage
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>>89423424
Round 2 is a clear Wilder round.
Anything else is either clear Fury, had a knockdown, or even
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>>89424437
yeah but that's such an overreaching term

is the brain damage oh haha i forgot I had coffee xd silly me it's cold now xd

or has he been McClellan'd?

also why is it always super middleweights and light heavyweights that get hopsitalised like this?
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>>89422087
Why can't you spinning backfist in boxing?
Fucking ridiculous.
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>>89424510
Because I'd spark your twink ass out with a patriot's left hook if you attempted it
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>>89424345
But fury is pretty elusive himself
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I fucking love Ortiz lads
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>>89424460
>round 2 is a clear round for Wilder
No... it really isn't. Wilder landed less than 9% of punches thrown and missed a lot. Why would you at least bring up believable rounds like 6/7?
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>>89424644
same
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Is he truly 400-years-old, fellas?
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>>89424733
Based man with the box of chicken bones.

I've had it enough with Ortiz. So many chances to fight Rios and he keeps fucking it up.
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>>89424745
TO THIS DAY
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>>89424683
>A Compuboxfag
Wanna know how I know you're a casual?
Actually watch the round instead of trying to pretend you're a Boxing Wizard judging fights based on what Compubox tells you.
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>>89424745
Yes and he has personally experienced slavery and been lynched, yet has still gone on to succeed and become a champion heavyweight boxer. Powerful stuff
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>>89424745
>>89424849
Fury was hit with the weight of 400 years of oppression and still got up. That's even more powerful stuff.
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>>89424223
>"I've kissed a lot of girls, but I never kissed the canvas"
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Imagine being such a waste of breathe faggot tripfag who spaces between his sentences just so people will pay attention to your retarded posts.
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>>89424830
>Wilder won the round by landing two less punches while throwing 8 more, trust me bro just use ur eyes and watch the round
The power of retardation
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>>89425091
>Compubox
I don't think you really understand what's the problem here, casual.
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Canelo/Golovkin 1 was a bigger robbery lads
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>>89422095
I didn't even know nursing homes had broadband.
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>>89424907
>a one off example about a journey man boxer
>tko 3rd round because his corner pulled him out

>didn't get knocked down though... r-r-r-r-ight...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lLp6rveezY

here's what Chris Eubank Snr would like to say.
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>>89425163
118-110 scarred GGG. It made him think that the only way to beat Canelo was with a KO which is impossible since Canelo has a good chin. He should have ducked the rematch. Fuck giving GBP an extra payday.
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>>89425016
try to stay ontopic lads

boxing discussions please
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imagine being a tripfag lmao
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>>89425163
wish she would chill on my dick. also is pic related the most underrated boxer of our time?
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>>89425403
don't think he's underrated
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>>89425016
Typical trip narcissism. Don't give them any attention.
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>>89425232
is he still walking around with tht fucking badge on lol officther eubankths
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>>89425403
He just needed more fights. I liked his match with Barrera.
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>taking off your tripcode just to reply to yourself

Wow that's really really sad.
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>>89425312
He got a 50% tho
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>>89425312
but his gameplan wasn't to knock him out, he stayed behind his jab on the backfoot and tried to outbox canelo.
btw it was really kino seeing canelo going all mexican style and making ggg back up, I'd never expect that
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>>89425120
Kek if anything Fury bouts are best summed up by compubox
>>89425163
>>89425312
>>89425631
I agree desu but Canelo GGG II wasnt, even though I think it should have been a draw. At least GGG got paid well
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>>89422722
>There is a reason Whyte ducked him
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I admit de la Hoya really made me love boxing. He fought every big names of his generation.
Who's the next de la Hoya?
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>>89425807
hola
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>>89425820
IS HE FIGHTING ORTIZ NEXT?
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>>89425831
He is fighting in January so I doubt Ortiz will be ready by then
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>>89425807
unironically canelo
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>*Gets absolutely smashed by all the top fighters of his era*
>Still considered in the running as the GOAT of the four kings
Lol
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>>89425807
He has his license back
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>>89425877
Because he has that aura even when he quits its magical. No Mas is almost biblical
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>>89425860
Rocky fielding sure is a great test of his abilities
But yeah he definitely isn't a bitch, I just wish he didn't get the golden boy bullshit
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FREED FROM DESIRE
MIND AND SENSES PURIFIED
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>>89426033
Which is hilarious desu rigo was so much smaller anything but a blow out would've been an upset
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>>89425877
his era were the 70s, he was 33-34 when he fought Hearns and Hagler
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>>89425163
No shit. But the anglos and jews are the only people who can whine so loud that the whole world will hear
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I wonder how Boxing with MMA gloves covering the fingers would look like.
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>>89426226
like bareknuckle boxing
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>>89425889
Tyan is truly the best voice in boxing
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>>89425877
because he was a manlet overcompensating at higher weights
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>>89425807
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>>89426369
But only literal bums fight in bareknuckle boxing. I'd like to see the best guys going at it
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>>89426411
nobody would remember him if he didnt move up
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How do Boxing events work? Are they like stand alone events that people assemble by themselves or is there an organization? Is there some kind of "ufc"?
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>>89426430
Maybe a dumb pleb like you wouldn't.
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>>89426545
ofc he would be remembered by fans but he wouldnt be a legend like he is now if he didnt btfo SRL at welter
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>>89426506
The UFC is both a promoter and a sanctioning body which awards belts. That was made illegal in boxing so we have them separate. Promoters organise fights for titles they don't control.
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>>89425877
Imagine if mikey garcia win against errol and went 15 with ggg
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What happened to boxing in Chicago? Why doesnt this shit hole host any big fights anymore, considering it was an important center in the past?
t. Chicagoan
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>>89426653
>Imagine if mikey garcia win against errol
soon we don't have to imagine anymore
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I've heard rumors that the ppv did poorly in the UK. Apparently the BT sport website crashed
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>>89426665
bruh same with Detroit, both are shitholes now
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>>89426579
what's the most important belt? if you want to chronologically watch important bouts.
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>>89426738
lmao don't focus on just one, the important ones are wbc, wba, ibf, wbo
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>>89426665
Cause there hasnt been a good fighter from Chicago and promoters in the US have stopped building fighters in their hometown for many tyears but kept putting on fights in NYC/Vegas.
Same thing happened with Boston, it used to be a big fight city but now it is completely irrelevant
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>>89426738
There isn't one to make life easy unfortunately. Great fights can be for any of the belts or for no belt sometimes while there are also shitty fights for multiple belts all the time. They're pretty meaningless in boxing.

Easiest way is just to look at the greatest fighters best fights
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>>89426738
the lineal one
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What's /box/ take on this?
For me
>Bivol
>Gvozdyk
>Alvarez
>Beterbiev
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Pretty poor compared to Fuji boxings usual NYE offerings, and far worse than the Macau card.
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>>89426850
>Alvarez
>Bivol
>Gvozdyk
>Beterbiev
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>>89426850
1. Bivol
2. Alvarez
3. Beterbiev
9999999999999999999999999999. Gvozdyk
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>>89426854
missing out on both Inoue and Murata fights this year
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>>89426854
That Macau card is the best NYE card ever imo and in the conversation as being one of the better cards of the year, very very strong.
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>>89426845
I have only watched some matches like foreman vs moorer
pacquiao vs floyd
tyson vs wilder
tua vs lewis
tyson vs some guys
floyd vs conor
Maguila (one of our heavyweights) vs foreman and holyfield
I think I watched holyfield vs valuev and it felt like he got robbed
tyson vs holmes
tyson vs lewis
Ali vs frazier I think
Ali vs foreman
I might be forgetting some fights
some highlights as well of course
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>>89426858
This is correct, also kovalev isn't retired yet if alvarez wins the rematch he's #1
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>>89426769
That's not exactly true. Crawford fights in nebraska, Wilder used to fight in alabama, the saucedo juts lost in his town. Broner has fought in ohio a couple of times. The big fights all require the big venues just for money.
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>>89426938
Those are a pretty good start. The common entry level fights you've missed are the ones involving Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler. They were all some of the best ever at their weights and all fought one another in some very famous fights in the 80s, they're all great and worth watching.
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>>89426931
Yeah that card is stacked
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>>89426938
Idk why you keep coming back here but if you really want to do some your own homework and don't assume the sport is organized like the ufc or is anyway remotely similar to mma

Also go watch holyfield v toney
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>>89426419
It would be stupid because they'd all break their hands everytime they fought.
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>>89426938
Just remember to tune on Jan 19th to watch The Problem spark out the filipino flop
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>>89426955
This trend has only recently shifted, but it has been like that for the last 15 years.
And Crawford is almost a lonely exeption because he's promoted by TR who know what they are doing (although they put a lot of fights where they didnt belong as well in the past); Wilder and Broner fought in their hometown for B/C tier fight and should have fought there more often.
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>>89427070
I get that he's entertaining but he is literally the biggest bum in boxing. Why waste time fanboying for him?
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>>89427095
He just wants reactions as well as the meme potential

Adrien Broner is a bitch, and he's gay
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OUR QUEEN IS BACK
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>>89427076
>Wilder and Broner fought in their hometown for B/C tier fight and should have fought there more often.
Yeah like I said it because they need more money to pay for the bigger events. Realistically they will never have big level fight happening in omaha or birmingham since they won't make as much money.
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>>89427095
>>89427134
I am a legitimate fan of Broner. Just cause you mugs are sleeping on good fight, doesn't mean others will
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>>89427160
I'm going going to knock you spark out if you keep up this charade
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>>89426711
It was on way too late to do well here. Not many people are gonna spend £30 on a fight on at 5am
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>>89426850
>Bivol
>Alvarez
>Beterbiev
>Gvozdyk

Gvozdyk is pretty bad honestly, hes extremely clumsy/sloppy and stiff
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>>89426738
The only title more important than the others is the lineal title, seniority of the sanctioning body is not parallel to how "good" they are.
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>>89426850
>Alvarez
>Bivol
>Gvozdyk
>Beterbiev
Honestly, for all I know Alvarez could be as good as Bivol, and Gvozdyk as good as Beterbiev, but I know at the very least Alvarez and Bivol would crush Gvozdyk and Beterbiev.
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>>89427226
Beterbiev is definitely a tier above Gvosdyk
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>>89426854
>Takuma Inoue picking up the WBC interim
Uh oh, is Inoue planning on getting heemed by Nery?
Is Naoya gonna have to avenge his brother's death as well as Yamanaka's?

The drama at Bantamweight is good. Can't wait to see the rest of the 118 WBSS.
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>>89427160
It's a good fight no doubt and I'll absolutely be watching but it does have the feel of two has beens so is hard to be excited for. The budget RJJ vs Trinidad.
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>>89427235
If he is better than Gvozdyk it's not by much.
Beterbiev and Gvozdyk are both a cut below elite tier. Beterbiev is a one-dimensional glass cannon, who doesn't even really have the power to truly use it as a crutch to bail him out, and Gvozdyk is an amateur who still can't seem to adopt a style that works better in the pros.
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>>89426665
Our best fighters are Granados and Fonfara, absolute whos

There was a decent DAZN card a few months ago though. Every 6 months there's usually a fihgt at UIC Pavilion or that one out in Schaumburg
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>>89427312
Truly awful, puking in my mouth a little thinking about just how deep a level of shit this is.
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Based. Litterally none of this years's inductees deserved to enter.
Marquez, Calderon and Paz (who howerver is american) deserved it much more
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>>89421573
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>>89427176
I don't get that feeling from this fight. Some of the most exciting fights I've seen this year are from lower level fighters and these guys are somewhere between a and b tier.

I don't get why /box/ even complains about it being ppv. Everyone here uses streams and is going to stream it regardless of whether it was ppv or not anyway
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>>89427312
Victor Ortiz vs Brandon Rios
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>>89427312
BASED
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Whyte vs Chisora should be £9.99. How can you with a straight face charge the same for a fight between a guy AJ has flattened and a guy Fury has made look like an amateur as the fights of those legit champions.
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>>89427302
Yhat DAZN card was decent. There's never anything high profile here though. It's too bad.
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>>89427349
The history between them makes it almost fitting that their fight is a bloddy shitshow at the end of their careers. Allen vs Browne is just two fat area level lumps who should be fighting in front of 200 poeple.
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Guys, this bum on the train keeps trying to tell me he's p4p #1, is it true?
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>>89427348
I unironically paid for Wilder v Fury and then watched by myself. Then my dad came down during the 2nd round of the main event and watched it with me. I'll be at Buffalo Wild Wings with the boys for Loma v Pedraza though
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anyone think Ward is kicking himself for not taking the Stevenson fight now?
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>>89427312
Amir Khan vs Kell Brook
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>>89427358
Hearn has hoodwinked many of your less discerning countrymen into thinking this will be just like the previous fight.
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>>89426850
On resume:

1. Alvarez
2. Gvozdyk
3. Bivol
4. Beterbiev

Head-to-head:

1. Gvozdyk
2. Bivol
3. Alvarez
4. Beterbiev
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this may be a stupid question, and i think i already know the answer anyway, but i'd like to ask it regardless:

boxers get hit in a fight repeatedly and stay up. then eventually they get knocked down or out. is the main reason they finally go down the abuse they've taken all fight, or is it more that the KO punch is just the first punch of the fight that was hard enough?

to rephrase somewhat.
if this >>89427226 was the exact first punch of the fight, would kovalev have gone down all the same because it is sort of the perfect punch, or does he go down because he's already spent 7 rounds out there fighting?
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>>89427497
>that head to head
Please try to justify this
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>>89427358
To be fair to Whyte he injured his left shoulder after rocking AJ. The first first between Chisora and Whyte was great too
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I think Kovalev still has a chance at beating alvarez. He was winning the fight till he got caught. It's weird cuz I just watched the HBO highlights and they make it look like alvarez was dominating the whole
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>>89427621
>boxers get hit in a fight repeatedly and stay up. then eventually they get knocked down or out. is the main reason they finally go down the abuse they've taken all fight, or is it more that the KO punch is just the first punch of the fight that was hard enough?
Fatigue reduces punch resistence and also make you easier to hit cleanly becasue your reflexes and speed are slower. So a combination of both.
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>>89427726
I feel bad for Krusher desu
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>>89427726
I think he needs to take rounds off to rest or even give away the first 4 and try to finish him later maybe
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>>89427848
If you live by the sword you die by the sword you think any of the people he's knocked out keep him up at night?
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Wilder btfo floyd

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-mayweathers-hater-dont-want-anyone-shine-him--134378
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>>89427967
That isn't what I meant, but ok
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>>89427653
Gvozdyk has the best feet by far, hands just as fast as Bivol's and coma-inducing power. Beterbiev is past-prime and basic. If his chin was granite I'd have him higher but I think the others are quicker on the trigger and wipe him out with counters

I'm not super confident though, I don't think any of them will dominate the division like an Usyk or whatever
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>>89427967
He has said that the Simakov fight weighs on his mind
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>>89428040
Wilder is a nobody. Will be consigned to oblivion once Fury schools him again and Joshua smashes him up
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>>89427863
That's what I was thinking. On rewatch, alavrez boxed very smart. He was much quicker and landed very sharp counters. Kovalev looked like he was trying to hurt him rather than box. Kovalev is also 35 which I forgot.
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>>89428040
Wilder has been so pathetic after this fight. He lost and he needs to man up about it. Mr. "No excuses" can't stop crying and making excuses.
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>>89428040
Why is Wilder such an entitled fucking crybaby? Maybe he has a point, it’d be cool if retired American boxers supported current boxers in general. But Floyd or anyone for that matter don’t owe anybody shit. He wasn’t even a hater during the fight, just honestly called out how Wilder was getting outboxed and something would have to change fast for him to win. Wilder’s handling this whole thing like shit, fuck he’s annoying
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>>89428052
Idk what else you could've possibly meant and you've replied without explaining yourself so I'm just going to assume you're fucking retarded

>>89428138
It might, it might not I know that guys family was pissed. His corner should've pulled him out tho honestly
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>>89428303
Fuck off bitch, suck my cock. Faggot.
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Floyd is a Republican individualist who believes in hard work and skills paying the bills. Wilder is from the gibs generation and wants everything handed to him and isn't even grateful when it is
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I'm fucking mad fuck this shit
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>>89427726
If he was winning the fight before he got caught it was by a ridiculously small margin.
In reality the fight was competitive before Alvarez caught him, it was a top class fight, the problem is that Kovalev is only good to fight for about 6 rounds, after that he gasses out.

When they rematch it's a guarantee that Alvarez will win if the fight goes any longer than 6 rounds.
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>>89428236
At the same time though... Floyd probably put a cheeky bet on Tyson winning. He bet on him in the Klitschko fight
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If I pay to get taught at a boxing gym will they make me doing boring shit like running and push ups? I just want to learn punching techniques, footwork, spark someone out with one punch etc
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>>89428152
>>89428184
>>89428236
>Waaah, waaah, waaah, why is the upcoming American star trying to promote himself!?!?!
>Why can't he be a humble good little boy
You faggots aren't the ones whose attentions he's trying to get, you'll never like him. What he wants is stardom, he wants people to know his name. You don't get your name out to people who will want to watch you fight if you tell everyone "Yeah, he's right, I lost the fight".

Saying shit like "Floyd doesn't know how to score and is just jealous" or "I got 2 knockdowns, you all saw it, I won the fight!"
You faggots are bigger crybabies than you try to make him out to be.
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https://youtu.be/z53ZvMxV20s

/box/ please rate this technique
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>>89428456
>you’ll never like him

Except I actually kind of did and was rooting for him to win, actually win by knockout or legitimate decision. Not a bullshit rigged draw. Obviously he’d like to promote himself, do you think desperately over-analyzing the 10 count in round 12 or shitting on a pound for pound all time great and whining that he’s not nice to him is a good way to appeal to the large groups of people? Do you honestly? A lot of people who support Wilder also like Floyd. If that’s how he feels what does he gain by complaining about it?
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>>89428456
He got a fucking gift - he knows it as well as anyone, hence all the excuses. He should shut his monkey lips and train harder so he doesn't look like such a fool in the rematch
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>>89428525
>Floyd Sr. saying Tabiti is shit and padwork means nothing
Based Sr. KSAB
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>>89428456
I was actually a Wilder fan before this fight and told everyone Fury would be dead by round 6. Now I'm gonna wait for you to pull the race card.
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>>89426850
1. Gvozdyk
POWER GAP
2. Bivol
3. Alvarez
POWER GAP
4. Beterbiev

Beterbiev was dropped by Callum Smith is more or less irrelevant. Bivol and Alvarez both went 12 rounds with Jean Pascal and Isaac Chilemba. Gvozdyk killed his first opponent in a step up fight. Not sure why /box/ continues with this disrespect.
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>>89428525
That's what we call "easy work".
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>>89429256
Prime Krusher Kovalev would have beaten all current champs
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>>89424287
Like I said before, I made smart investments and all of these fighters paved the way for me to be where I'm at and like I already said he's a hell of a fighter but I've managed to quit boxing on my own terms, record breaking numbers. All work is easy work, it's money may green.
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>>89429858
Kan Krusher lost against every A-level fighter he faced.
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>>89424505
I'd guess they're hardest punchers that still have to weight-cut and still have a reasonably high punch output (and i'd speculate maybe 10oz gloves are more concussive)
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>>89428040
To be honest Wilder is right about Floyd. He's a very jealous person who copes a lot. Deep down, Floyd is not convinced of his success even though he shouldnt be but people never liked him and that's why he will never have the self confidence to compliment his old adversaries or modern fighters. Just look at the way Tyson, Foreman, Duran, Leonard speak about their old rivals. They know they are regarded as one of the greats and that's why they are never hesitant to give out compliments.
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>>89430821
>even though he shouldnt be
*should be
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>>89430527
He beat Ward the first time and most of /box/ agrees. He's obviously finished now tho and it's a shame he fell off so quickly
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>>89426854
>>89426931
someone show the Macau card?
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>Kovalev vs. Alvarez 2 in early February

Hope Kovalev is already training. Bivol needs to start unifying.
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>>89428040
>"Floyd should get married, settle down"
>meanwhile Wilder has 8 kids with 8 different mommas

What did he mean by this?
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>>89431599
"Don't read a good book by its cover"

- Deontay Wilder
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https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1070742098503131136
Apparently Wilder thought Fury won only two rounds.
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>>89432910
He's a bit biased. I'd give Fury 3 or 4.
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>Meanwhile in UFC 330 Thread
>Maincard Fighters making only 6 figures for PPV fight

Why do they let Dana get away with such shitty Rebook contracts for them?
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>>89433031
Are you nuts? Fury never won any round! This feels like a teaser for what Wilder's gonna say in JRE. Wilder will keep talking about the fight while saying weird shit about pouring chocolate on himself, Joe'll try to change the topic, and Joe'll bring up the Stoned Ape theory. Wilder will think the Stoned Ape refers to his right hand.
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>>89430367
He is the future of boxing if he even has half the talent of Tyson
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>>89433097
You mean there's more to UFC besides Mcgregor and Tenshin?
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Can someone please explain to me how Fury only made 8 million for that fight? Is Frank Warren the worst promoter in the history of boxing, how are guys like errol spence etc make 3x that when Fury is the FAR bigger name?
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>>89433197
tf you think spence is making 24mil??
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>>89433097
>PPV event
>Main event fighters are making 6 digit figures
MMA is a meme sport.
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>>89433214
You know what I mean though, 8 million for Tyson Fury seems really bad, guys like Broner make like 40 million and Fury is more well known
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>>89433156
He's fucking jacked, he's debut is on the 22nd. Lad's only 19 years old. He's on something fierce.
>he even has half the talent of Tyson
Fury's talent comes from him being the biggest fucker in the division and the fastest as well. The height, looks and hair doesn't seem hereditary either.
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>>89433276
>tommy isn't fat like tyson
>tommy isn't nearly as tall as tyson or his dad
>tommy isn't as pale as tyson
>tommy has a full set of thick hair unlike the other males of the fury family
>tommy is actually good looking
There's something odd here, are they half brothers or something?
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>>89433097
That's what happens when you have one dominant player in the PPV market. Boxing promoters can't get away with take it or leave it contacts because there are a bunch of them competing with each other
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>>89433276
>Furys talent comes from being the biggest fucker in the division and the fastest as well
what? Furys talent comes from being the best boxing talent in the heavyweight division. Best head movement, best foot work, best boxing combinations thrown well and not just swinging like a retard like Wilder, or swinging like a robot like AJ. Anyway back to Tommy, if he has the knockout power plus the Fury training and upbringing and looking like a model he will run boxing, only thing holding him back is the light heavyweight divison being dead.
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>>89433308
I think they are half brothers, different mums I think
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>>89433097
>average of ~300,000 PPVs per event
>$20 million from PPV sales
>fighters get less than 5% of the revenue combined

Why do UFC fighters enjoy getting raped?
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>>89433336
Tyson and John say that he can dance pretty well, looking forward to the 22nd. I don't know his height exactly since I haven't been able to find much on his amateur stats.
But yeah I agree, if he's got the knockout power, movement, and like you mentioned the looks. That's some serious star power. Only reason Tyson falls behind on AJ when it comes to casuals is because he's not good looking.
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>>89433267
Get AB name out your mouth. That's About Billions nigga.
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>>89433359
I used to feel bad for them but at this point I think they deserve it, they know they are getting fucked and wont do anything about it and are complete brainlets. Literally all they got to do is as follows, lets say Cormier and Jones and Brock and Ngannou. They fight out there contract, then they approach someone like matchroom, goldenboy etc whoever they want. They say we are going to give you 15% of the ppv for setting up the event like boxers do, the venue broadcasting etc. They have Ngannou jones, Cormier DC and fill in the undercard with a few fighters, pay them 40k each or something. They will sell 800k ppvs at minimum, each take home around 20 million give or take. But they are brainlets and deserve to barely make a million.
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>>89433359
>Why do UFC fighters enjoy getting raped?
It's not like they have much choice. MMA is the only place those schmucks can go, and of course they can't say anything back against their overlord Dana. Cage fighters aren't smart people. It's how they get trapped in really shitty contracts, like that one Korean guy.
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>>89433391
I apologise, Broner is a based negro but Fury should be making way more
>>89433389
His foot work is lacking but slick hand speed, great power and likes to brawl. Good talker as well but he is a light heavy weight which will hold him back a lot, I think he is around 6 foot
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>>89433414
I think I've heard of that Korean guy before, but I don't know anything about shit shitty contract.
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>>89427135
>>89427135
I would leave my family for her
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>>89433879
You need help
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>>89433097
>>89433359
no trunk sponsors either
fuck you, pay me
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>>89435029
Very low t of you. If you wouldn't take a chance with Nicole, you are beyond help.
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>>89433336
>>89433389
You guys are hyping him too much. Ryan Garcia has proven himself more than Tommy Fury. There's no special fury training, Tyson fury is good because of his own qualities. Look no further than hughie for evidence. Tommy's barely had an amateur career and is a juicer.
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Ready for the best ring girls in the biz tomorrow guys?
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>>89435645
>white
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>https://www.ringtv.com/549581-world-boxing-super-series-in-jeopardy-of-cancellation-some-fighters-still-await-bonuses/
Rip WBSS
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>>89435652
oh dear oh dear
hopefully it doesn't fall apart, really looking forward to it
not really surprising though
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>>89426850
Alvarez
Bivol
Beterbiev
Gvozdik
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>>89433336
>light heavyweight is dead
There are four absolute killers in Bivol, Gvozdyk, Alvarez and Kovalev at light heavy
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>casual boxing '''fans''' hate on based Loma because he's white and has a single loss
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>>89426850
I'm on your side of it mate
Only I'd have it
Bivol

POWERGAP

Gvozdyk
Alvarez
Beterbiev
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>>89435749
Black boxing fans are literally the worst in the world
Somehw they manage to be more retarded and delusional than the matchroom deanos
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>>89435752
Alvarez will end the Bivol meme
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>>89435759
>Black boxing fans
white americans*
british AJ dickriders*
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>>89435652
It's not dead just yet. Hopefully they can convince their investors to meet their dues. The Super series what boxing needs
>>89435733
It doesn't even really matter. By the time Tommy fury gets up to the world level, which he might not ever, they'll be a new generation of light heavyweights.

Dmitry Bivol is the only one of those guys not in his 30's. Eleider Alvarez is 34 years old, one year younger than Kovalev. Tommy fury is 19 and they'll probably give him a billion step up fights since he had little amateur back ground.

Also tommy fury is 6 feet from what i've read. n
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>>89435759
Every boxing fan is the worst fan when their guy is fighting. Every time there is a big fight you'll see "_____ fans are the worst boxing fans" when Pac fights, it's his fans. When Golovkin fights its his fans, when AJ fights its his fans. This time Wilder and Fury fans just made it shitty for these threads, I was gone most of the weekend.
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>>89435652
Make sense seeing as they're giving out massive purses and the fights are free, never understood how it was meant to make money.
Thought it might be some based billionaire saving boxing for fun
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>>89435782
If you read the article its bankrolled by Comosa AG but some of the investors haven't paid their dues while others have paid more than their share
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>>89435652
lel, called it. Although I always said dead within 5 years so this is a bit ahead of schedule. It's so obviously an unsustainable business model.
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>>89431440
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>>89435782
Supposed to get TV deals, after this year nobody will want it
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>>89436055
>Lap Cheong Cheong
sounds like a t. made up name
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what are the top 3 HW boxers of all time and who is the GOAT among them? Please rank them as if you would let them box 1vs1 in their primes and dont include your boxing history or legend status bias.
I just googled for best HW of all time and found some reddit threads and they all mention legends like Joe Louis which I think is disingenious cause he would be way too small today and would lose to todays elite boxers.
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>>89436086
you can only dominate the division in your own era though, so it's a retarded question
each era learns from the past one so obviously ali would dance circles around Louis and any heavyweight of that time because slugging was popular
also those guys were built for 15 rounds so they'd get canned by the units from the 80's onward because those fighters take more muscle into the ring with them as they fight for less time
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>its Lamenchenko fights a can episode
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>>89436086
Nobody who compares heavyweights from different eras is saying they're the "best" in the sense that they could beat all the modern ones if they could time travel. Imagine more they're saying who the "greatest" heavyweight ever was.
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>>89436086
>Wlad Klitschko
>Vitali Klitschko
>Tyson Fury
Nobody from the 1990s and before could handle any of the top heavyweights of this era. Mike Tyson and Mohammed Ali would get sparked the fuck out by Deontay Wilder, let alone Anthony Joshua or the Klitschkos. Lennox Lewis and Anthony Joshua round out the top five. As the other two guys said, there's really no contest between the modern superheavies and the guys from before.
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If PBC can last for 7 years I'm sure the WBSS can manage a couple more. All this talk of their unsustainable business model is giving me major deja vu
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F I X E D S P O R T
>>>/asp/
>>>/asp/
>>>/asp/
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>>89435652
>WBSS will be cancelled t-this time!!
>I-It's over! They can't afford it anymore!
>h-haha look at how empty the arena as! WBSS is finished!

When are you cowards gonna learn that based Kalle ALWAYS finds a way?
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>>89436157
The PBC's original model was unsustainable lmao that's why they aren't still doing it. I'm honestly not sure it even did them that much good either. It's wider market forces that have made live programming more popular with networks which have pushed up the costs for all the bigger sports and left boxing as a nice cheap option to fill hours.
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>>89435733
Plus Buatsi, Yarde and Hutchinson coming through on the domestic scene
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>>89435774
Nah, African Americans are by far the worst. Lower IQ, louder, more tribal and more entitled than anyone else. I respect African American boxers but their fans are a plague on online boxing communities. Even this general has gone to shit lately because of them
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Imagine Pac walking out the ring vs Broner with this Kpop group
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>>89436055
Amazing double-header, one of the best of the year
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>>89436458
Spoken as someone who has only gotten into boxing in the past couple of years. Nobody and I mean NOBODY is worse than Pactards. Totally delusional non stop spam even when it has nothing to do with their guy. I can honestly say Pac Marquez 4 was every bit as orgasmic as Broner Maidana, moreso for me.
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>>89436076
Just gotten word he's fighting Ling Ling Chun-Lee
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>>89436485
They were bad but the flomos were just as bad and the flomos have only gotten worse while the pactards have disappeared

How old you are? I see you calling everyone casuals but you don't sound like you're older than your early 20s. I've been involved in boxing forums and shit since 2007
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>>89436458
And the low IQ brit tries to racebait again. Can't you do this over in /heem/? Why do you have to shit up /box/?
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>>89436548
It's not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing. I have no problems with black British boxing fans for example
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>>89436485
There's a reason the word Pactard came into existence and spread to literally every forum on the web. Like an army of gnats
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>>89436195
>I-It's over! They can't afford it anymore!
Yeah that's what they said about pbc in the end of their first year.

>>89436485
Pac Marquez 4 ending was one of the greatest moments in boxing history period.

Based Marquez celebrating the greatest moment of his career while Pac lays there unconscious and his wife is hysterical.... Forever burned into my memories
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>>89436458
>>89436543
>What are Pactards
>What are Golovkin fans
I get that you're probably fans of both of the aforementioned fighters, but surely even then you can recognize the difference in how they react to fights, right?
Pacquiao loses a fight fairly on decision, and his fans still make horrible videos trying to convince everyone that Pacquiao is the real winner years later.
Golovkin loses a fight fairly on decision and GGGfans can't let go and throw a hissyfit, trying to convince every stranger they come across that he's the real winner.

Meanwhile, the Deontay fanbois have no doubt been loud and obnoxious, but the discourse of the fight hasn't been totally ruined by them like May-Pac and GGG-Canelo 2 were.
You can still go to nearly any Boxing forum and the vast majority of people will recognize Fury won, whilst even the minority is just trying to meekly cope and aren't even being that obnoxious in their denial. The same can't be said for the fallout of May-Pac and GGG-Canelo 2.
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>>89435608
Stop misusing that word
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>>89436543
They still occasionally see things right like with Wilder Fury. Most of them had Fury winning, Pactards literally always had some excuse, absolutely horrific and is why something as incontestable as that Marquez KO was needed. Russians are also awful incidentally, among some of the most delusional out there but they rarely post on English forums.

I'm 28, first big fight I watched was Hatton Tszyu and would say I was a hardcore from the Floyd fight onwards. Dad is as big a fan than me so he always had a lot of dodgy HBO VHS tapes around the place so I saw quite a lot early on.

Interesting that you'd be one to talk about bias because for someone who's fairly knowledgeable you're one of the most pro brit homers I've come across, you quote direct promoter arguments all the time. Most British hardcores who've been into it for that long are as cynical as me.
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>>89436591
Golobkeen was absolutely robbed the first time tho my guy
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>>89436599
I'm talking about GGG-Canelo 2.
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>>89436086
>what are the top 3 HW boxers of all time
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Ali

George is the greatest among them. And don't say "b-but Ali beat George" .. Yea and Frazier, Spinks and Norton beat Ali. Ali would have never beat George a second time, hence no rematch. George cursed him with Parkinson.
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>>89436591
I was fully on Mayweather's side throughout that rivalry and yes I found Pactards unbearable and at times so racist that even I was offended, but the Flomos have mutated into something even more loathsome since then. I think it's because they are accustomed to having always dominated the sport but now perceive themselves losing their stranglehold

Golovkin fans were nowhere near as bad as the Pactards and Flomos. Much fewer in number and nowhere near as obnoxious. I can see that there may be a racial subtext to white Americans continually backing white(ish) Europeans over their black countrymen though

And I have no problem with people kicking up a stink over injustices like the Fury and Golovkin robberies. Stronger than my allegiance to any fighter or demographic is my disgust for the corruption in this sport
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>deontay fanboys
Are you guy serious? He has no diehard fans. He barely has any serious fans in the first place. The people posting wilder fanboy type shit are shitposting to counter all the fury fanboyism going on right now.
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>>89436086
Riddick Bowe at his prime was the best HW boxer of all time, dont (you) me
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>>89436157
PBC hasn't been going for 7 years, first show was 2015. PBC were buying tv slots they got lucky recently.
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>>89436142
Based and redpilled but I would put it
>Tyson Fury
>Wlad Klitschko
>Lennox Lewis
>Vitali Klitschko
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>>89436642
big stiff idiot
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>>89436157
Lots of business majors in the thread. Ventures like this mean you have to spend money to make money down the line
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>>89436591
>one miscount invalidates the entire video
Dude that weeb is an autist but you are on the same level if you think that
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>>89436594
>I'm 28, first big fight I watched was Hatton Tszyu and would say I was a hardcore from the Floyd fight onwards.

Then we're the same age and became "hardcores" on the exact same night. So don't accuse me of having watched less boxing than you. I follow all levels of the sports from the AIBA juniors to my local York Hall shows to Thai minimumweights

>Interesting that you'd be one to talk about bias because for someone who's fairly knowledgeable you're one of the most pro brit homers I've come across, you quote direct promoter arguments all the time. Most British hardcores who've been into it for that long are as cynical as me.

I am biased and patriotic. I support British boxing as a whole but I don't fanboy any particular individual. You call yourself cynical but constantly rationalise corruption and side with the American powerbrokers who are even worse than their British counterparts. I have plenty of misgivings about Hearn but find myself defending him lately because the backlash has exceeded the reality and also become entangled in identity politics. If you remember British boxing before he came along then you should agree that he's been a net positive to our scene
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>>89436623
Again, I can't see how any of the Black boxing fanbases have been nearly as bad as GGG's or Pactards.
You only need to take one good look at any forum thread anywhere after a GGG or Pacquiao loss and see how horribly they wrecked discussion because they're too busy throwing hissyfits.

>And I have no problem with people kicking up a stink over injustices like the Fury and Golovkin robberies.
Me neither, but the problem arises when you're blind and think a fair decision is actually a robbery, such was the case in GGG-Canelo 2.
It's the same case in what you're complaining about in Fury-Wilder, that Wilder's fans think hes been robbed despite that clearly not being the case.

>>89436666
The entire point of the video is autistic from the get-go.
He intentionally cuts punches of the guy he's rooting against, and even counts missed punches from the guy he's rooting for. I remember someone made an entire breakdown analyzing how bullshit and disingenuous his May-Pac video was.

That's not even getting into the fact that raw punch counting like that is not how Boxing scoring works.

See what I mean? People will die on their sword to defend Pacquiao and Pactard bullshit, years after the inciting incident, yet I can't find a single Wilder fan on here, Cuckkit, Boxingscene, or otherwise, that genuinely, truly believes that Wilder won. Yet I can find sooooooooo many people who will sit you down and regale you of tales of how Pacquiao beat Mayweather and Marquez FOUR TIMES but got robbed or cheated.
You can't tell me that Pactards aren't the biggest cancer to ever plague this sport, and it's a shame we're still not rid of them.
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>>89436700
Mike Tyson fags are of a similar breed to pactards although that's mainly an ultracasual plague
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>>89436711
Like you said, that's just retarded casuals, White and Black. /heem/fags will try and convince you Tyson is the GOAT.
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>>89436642
Who are you? Fucking based. Bowe could have been the greatest of all time I'd he only stayed away from too much cake.
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>>89436659
You don't need an MBA to understand someone has to pay for it. DAZN are the only ones paying and have since spent on Golden Boy, most shows don't sell enough tickets or draw tv ratings and they have no big sponsors.
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>>89436718
*if he
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>>89436689
>>89436594
i personally only watch AJ, PBK (pretty boy kelly) dillian whyte or tony bellew fights
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>>89436086
I just realized your were talking about hws in their prime. If that's the case, Riddick Bowe would indeed be the best HW. I dont see anyone beating a prime Bowe, not even George or Holmes.
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>>89436689
I call out the American promoters all the time thank you very much. They're all fucking awful at doing business together. The only times I get annoyed are when people start to claim Bob is better than the rest of them when he's obviously not, or when people baselessly claim American cards are shit.

Hearn has been a net positive for British boxing sure, but I hate a lot of the bullshit around his operation. All based around storylines and completely biased versions of events that make the average British boxing fan completely disconnected from reality. He's turned boxing into something you enjoy for the event rather than what's happening in the ring which is quite annoying. Matchroom has such a weird cult of fans who just believe anything he says that we have to be better than that and call him on his shit not just parrot his lines like you have a habit of doing.
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>>89436747
Should have said Dave Allen is your favourite fighter to top it off lad
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>>89436753
hes my favourite personality but i got a bit turned off his skills when he couldn't KO that frog bum andy yogi or whatever hes called
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>>89436750
I don't have a Twitter account and I don't bother watching Hearn's 30 min iFL TV videos so I guess I sidestep most the rhetoric and can just judge him on his actions in isolation rather than weighed against he and his fanboys' claims and promises

>All based around storylines and completely biased versions of events that make the average British boxing fan completely disconnected from reality. He's turned boxing into something you enjoy for the event rather than what's happening in the ring which is quite annoying

If that's what it takes to draw new fans and new money into the sport then so be it. I prefer a full stadium of casuals singing Sweet Caroline to a half empty gymnasium populated by moaning old fogies and tinkers menacing the few ordinary fans who showed up. Plus I think you're attributing some of Sky Sports' faults to him, when really he is only their employee rather than vice versa. The funny thing is that when interviewed during a card he often gives a more critical analysis than the pundits
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>>89436750
>parrot his lines like you have a habit of doing.

Like I said I don't even watch his interviews unless they're aired on TV during a show. You might be attributing some other Anon's posts in this general to me. I only defend him when someone (usually you or some American) is going overboard with the criticism or holding him to different standards than other promoters
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>>89436852
>You might be attributing some other Anon's posts in this general to me

Very possibly, the Brits can be quite hard to tell apart especially in the busy times. You stand out most in your more detailed posts.
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>>89430367
Ugly and looks like he's on the gear?
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>>89436700
>I can't find a single Wilder fan on here, Cuckkit, Boxingscene, or otherwise, that genuinely, truly believes that Wilder won.
Thats bullshit, /box/ is a wilder fan safespace, you could find many people who thought Wilder knocked out fury or he outpointed him or some shit
>these were ALL ironic!/bait!
Thats a ridicolous assumption that can be dissmissed
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>>89435652
If they put up a GoFundMe I'd happily toss money their way so they could at least finish this season
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>>89437140
>falling for obvious bait
Shiggy diggy.
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>>89436485
>>89436543
>>89436579
I know no one will believe me but I coined both of these terms circa 2009. Good to see they're still going strong.
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>>89437175
Im such a bum, these feints just get me everytime
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Should I watch Lomachenko or Brook?
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>>89437222
>being this retarded
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>>89437227
You're right. Brook it is.
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>>89437195
On what platform? ESB?
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>>89437222
The ESPN show has a pretty nice undercard but I think I'm going to watch it the next day. First time I've not stayed up for Loma in a while but I can't do it two weekends in a row any more, and those Top Rank ESPN shows are always full of dead air
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>>89436999
I think I used to completely blend in but we've lost a couple of Brit regulars lately
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>>89437280
The fight is only on at 1.30 though
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Anyone reckon Kelly might be biting off more than he can chew with Avanesyan? He was competitive with Peterson not even two years ago
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>>89425708
Honestly, GGG is still one of the most entertaining boxers we've seen in a while, and his reign of terror was really something. But unfortunately, people that weren't there will look back and won't get it
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>>89437293
You mean the broadcast starts at that time? Because there are two long fights before it and there are usually 30 min+ gaps between fights on ESPN
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>>89437339
No Lomachenko is scheduled to fight at 1.30
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If Ioka beats Nietes where does he go in your p4p lists lads? Has to slot back in somewhere 6-10 without doubt.
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>>89437383
Oh okay. That's really early, guess I will watch it live then
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>>89437401
In Ring Magazine's ratings I'd put him at 9 ahead of Spence
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https://www.ringtv.com/549523-ring-ratings-update-tyson-fury-rises-to-no-2-in-heavyweight-rankings/
From the comments:
>Dumb. Anthony Joshua defeated a rejuvenated former champion Klitschko - fighting more aggressively than he had done in years, he defeated top contender the undefeated Joseph Parker, earlier he had stopped a now-top rated Dillian Whyte, he stopped tough former top 10 rated Carlos Takam and, of course, he is the only man to ever stop highly-rated Russian Alexander Povetkin
Fucking British casuals, man.
A win over Wilder and a younger Klitschko is somehow worth less than a win over an older Klitschko, Parker, Whyte, and "former top 10 rated Takam".
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>>89437401
>>89437549
p4p top 10, are you off your heads?
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>>89437556
*ducks rematch*
*takes nandrolone*
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>>89437564
I ask you then, does Errol Spence deserve to be in the top10?
Nietes would be a great win (who is the 10th best p4p boxer according to Ring) and he's already an established 2 division world champ
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>Streaming service DAZN is inviting President Donald Trump and incoming Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to attend the super middleweight title fight between Canelo Alvarez and Rocky Fielding on Dec. 15 at Madison Square Garden, New York City.
Based
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How comes nobody has dabbed in the ring during a big fight?
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>>89437575
>nandrolone
Lmfao. AJ is on a 24/7/356 HGH+Testo regimen
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AJ is literally the Overeem of Boxing. Take away his juice and he's gonna be a useless bum.
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>>89436447
bums
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>>89437588
Loma
Usyk
GGG
Clenelo
Crawford
Garcia
Inoue
Rungvisai
don't know about the last two, but it certainly wouldn't be Donnie Nietes or Ioka if he beats him, looked absolutely gash last time out and only won because the cards were rigged
numerous amounts of boxers with resumes better, honestly Bivols win over Barrerra or Alvarez' over Kovalev are more impressive than beating Donnie Nietes
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>>89437677
Buatsi and Hutchinson are certainly not
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>>89437682
Fury should be 9th. Who has a better couple of wins than Klitschko and Wilder?
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Promoter idea: Make Deontay Wilder lose 12 pounds (was apparently 209 on night of fight against Fury so 9 pounds) and make him fight Usyk.

Wilder would knock Usyk out in the 11th round and then promote how Wilder is p4p greater than Fury because of how much weight he had to give and then in fact promote Wilder as the winner.
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DAS RITE, LOMA IS RACIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrPYUiMNV8

Is this gonna end up being Loma's "Kovalev monkey shirt with Stevenson" moment for the black boxing fans?
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>>89437708
There are no good British fighters
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>>89437714
Fury would be nothing without his size. He doesn't belong on the p4p list
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/deontay-wilder-reveals-mistake-that-cost-him-win-over-tyson-fury-after-rewatching-their-title-fight/news-story/749c7929dc29b7a538cbb422b91fad9f

Wilder says his plan is to get to 245 and catch Fury while he's ducking. What do you lads think? I think it's a dumb plan since Fury already knows that's how Wilder caught him, and bulking up will only make Wilder slower and gas him out quicker. "Unga bunga hit harder" might not work.
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>>89437858
post yours
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>>89437174
OI OI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3l7fgvrEKM
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AND HE WAS A GOOD FRIEND
https://youtu.be/2ilRtGcyv4Q?t=1006
>Loma will never cheer like that on you
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>>89437858
You sound like that midget that got a flash knockdown before getting battered unconscious
He's practically the same size as Wilder and AJ just fatter.
His real advantage is his cardio and speed for a big man
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>>89437872
That's fucking stupid. Go up to 225 or something, but 245 is way too big for Wilder, he gets knockouts with speed, not with weight. How does he think he caught Fury slipping the first two times?
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>>89437730
Gvozdyks ukrainian isn't he? I don't get the problem, it's just a bit of banter celebrating with his mate and countryman
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>>89437872
>>89437946
it's not only that, but to put that much muscle so quickly can be dangerous. That's literally an additional 15 % of body weight when you are already 33. If he puts on fat it doesn't even make sense. If he actually does it, absolute madman, I am betting my house on Fury.
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>>89437922
Aj and wilder have spent their entire careers beating up on smaller men. Having to fight someone furys size fucks em up
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>>89437872
Yes it's retarded, he already gassed at 209 winging shots. If anything he should work on his jab and cardio
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>>89437970
klit was about as tall as AJ
it's not constantly fighting short arses that is wilders problem, he's just shit
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>>89437993
Klit was visibly smaller than aj. Not just height but weight. When your entire career is punching down at shorter men its harder to adjust to someone of furys size
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>>89437968
If Wilder puts on 33 lbs of fat, then we're gonna get the black man equivalent of Duran's "No Mas."
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>>89437970
Absolutely, same with Wlad. AJ had no trouble with Povetkin, Parker, Takam, Whyte but old man Wlad spun his head right round.
Fury does better against big men because he's both faster and longer than them.
I reckon Usyk is Fury's kryptonite
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>>89437946
I think Wilder's ideal weight is 220. 245 is stupid and 210 was too light imo
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>>89438021
>the black man equivalent of Duran's "No Mas."
that was Rigo already.
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>>89437730
Different reactions
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>>89438040
>>89435759
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>>89437970
To be fair to AJ, he and Fury have sparred in the past. However, AJ would rather fight Wilder over Fury.
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>>89437730
>cuts off
>doesn't cut it off

Obviously just banter
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>>89438040
>youtube comments
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>>89438024
disagree with that desu, Povetkin gave him loads of problems early on and he couldn't quite find the target as well as he usually does against Parker (ref takes the blame for that as well) whereas vs Breazeale who admittedly is a walking punching bag he absolutely decimated
plus he's not a reach baby unlike Wlad
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>WBSS might get canned

At least finish off S2 first. Why don't Brits want to buy the whole event? And what's with these "bonuses"? I thought winners/losers in the quarters/semis/finals were paid a locked in amount. I was wondering why the venues haven't been announced yet. The semis were supposed to start in February.
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>>89438067
And Fury was a klitschko sparring partner but that didn't really help him out did it. Meanwhile look at aj's recent sparring partners, bakole and dinu. Both smaller guys.
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>>89437730
Loma should have cut off that Adonis button because the WBC was also too pussy to cut him off. That faggot was a rapist and a pimp who only got 4 years of jail time, and he should have never been allowed to box again. Any other decent organization would have distanced themselves from this clown.

If anyone thinks there's some sort of agenda against black boxers because Fury and a couple of Slavs happen to be good, then they're just lying to themselves.
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>>89438117
Bakole's a massive unit what are you on?
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>>89438135
Smaller than fury. You can't prepare for him
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>>89438099
I thought his gameplan was terrible against Povetkin, even so he got the better of him quickly after that rocky start.
Wlad on the other hand outobxed him for much of the fight, had him on the canvas and gassed.
He barely made it out of that fight, definitely his toughest
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>>89438099
Doesn't matter imo. Someone with as vast exprience at the heavyweight division as wlad couldnt adjust. I don't think Joshua could either especially when Joshua enjoys having a significant size advantage over his opponents
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>>89438117
he also uses Mariusz Wach and Fraser Clarke,
used to use Joyce and Pricey his sparring is fine
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Chawklit bwownies weighing it at 150.5 pounds. He could probably still make 147. He really wants that Khan bout.
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>>89438179
Wlad actually fought wach but wach is slow and stiff and still shorter than fury with less reach. He doesn't even weigh as much as fury does. Fighting against fury takes these guys out of their element. They don't know how to fight as the smaller man. They've never had to
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>>89438262
so what you're saying is Tyson Fury is unbeatable? ;^) unless we find a 7ft Tyson Fury? Or a 7 ft Wilder/Joshua
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>>89438107
>Why don't Brits want to buy the whole event?

The quarter-finals are spread out too long, takes up too much of the schedule

>I thought winners/losers in the quarters/semis/finals were paid a locked in amount

Nah in the quarters for example everyone gets $1m guaranteed and then the winners get an additional $500k
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>>89438287
No one is unbeatable. Its just that his size poses a problem to other guys used to being the big man. I honestly think wilder might be a bit better off in the rematch now that he has the experience
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>>89438335
Huh, so it's the same format for S1 with $1M quarters, $2.5M semis, and $8M finals with bonuses. Thought they'd lower it since they're doing manlet weights this time around. I hope DAZN can somehow fund the tournament or something. They need those dates filled.
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>>89438441
I hope Dazn can throw some money at them. Otherwise Dazn loses like half of their boxing events next year.
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>>89438475
The WBSS is literally the only promotion in boxing going out of its way to make the best fights it can. It'll be a massive shame if it fails
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>>89438516
Right? The only reason usyk and gassiev even fought last year for an undisputed championship is due to this tournament
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>>89438475
WBSS is 14 shows a year, they'll still have 50+ plus shows a year. 11 Golden Boy 16 Matchroom US 16 Matchroom UK 4 or 5 Matchroom PPV 16 international shows
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https://www.boxingscene.com/broner-ellerbe-confident-career-defining-win-over-pacquiao--134394
What's a god to a nonbeliever?
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>>89437252
Based

>>89438107
I think "bonuses" is code word for pre agreed upon under the table payments to fighters bribes to judges (see bredis/gevor) stuff like that. Kalle is a fucking coke head playing with what I can only assume are some very shady people's money. I assume in some cases for the purposes of laundering it or dodges taxes or whatever. He seems like a pretty slick guy I'm sure he'll work it out but this stuff is gonna happen
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>>89438367
He has to come in heavier, he kept missing when Fury was bobbing and weaving, needs weight behind his punches when he's looking for a big one
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>>89438198
>He really wants that Khan bout
Wasn't Khan 154 in for his first fight for Eddeh?
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Is Wilder the hardest hitting HW since Mike?
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>>89438767
I can't wait to see how the Pacfags react when Broner KOs him.
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>>89438992
mike tyson hit very hard, but i think compared to other bigger heavies at the top level his power isn't particularly exceptional, he just excelled at landing devastating accurate counters and combos to maximum effect, often being very fast uppercuts or hooks at close range and high power which most heavyweights aren't accustomed to dealing with making them extra effective
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>>89438999
Lets just say they'll be ASS BLASTED
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>>89438992
He's a top 5 one punch ko artist at heavyweight
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Can you guys give me some advanced solo boxing drills? Even advanced combos I can use on the heavy bag? I'm well beyond jabs and crosses and hooks and footwork. I also do a good bit of conditioning drills with plyometrics thot. But my training is getting a little monotonous and I don't have a trainer to get me beyond my level.

I guess I'm just looking for some advanced footwork/combos beyond intermediate 1-2-3-pivot-2 and 1-2-1-6b-4 etc. Maybe some advanced ladder drills or reaction drills I dunno
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how can i improve my chin lads?
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>>89438992
Mike wasn't really a very hard puncher honestly... Its speed and timing that got people. Anyone can get knocked out by a punch they don't see coming. It's guys like George Foreman, whose punch you can see coming but still knock you out through your gloves that are truly powerful.
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>>89439146
Neck exercises and training your self to keep your chin tucked.

It wouldn't hurt to do heavy squats either, while remaining flexible in your legs, to help absorb impact from hard shots
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>>89439146
Let your mate jab you 10 times a day for a week, then 15 then 20 until you're immune, then have him move on to the straight right a build up your tolerance until you can do 50 hayemakers a day
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>>89438966
Khan believes he could make 147 better than Brook. Not only that, Khan wants a rehydration clause as well, if the fight should happen.
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>>89439146
Shake your head every time you get caught
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>>89438992
He probably have the hardest straight right ever.
Currently Joshua have the strongest uppercut, Povetkin the strongest hooks and Wilder the strongest straight right.

Also Wlad hits harder than Mike Tyson.
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>>89439812
lel why do rich blacks do this
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/heem/ tourist here.
Why are Wilder and Fury doing a press tour AFTER the fight? Its rather unusual for me and Ive never seen mma fighters do this.
Is it common practice with boxers or is it a sign that they are aiming for a rematch before any other fight?
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>>89439812
top kek, daft bastard
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>>89439944
common and it's because it's their job to get arses on seats as they get a percentage of whatever revenue the fight brings in and they want to increase it
it's not a sign they're going to do a rematch
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>>89439944
Never happens. My guess.... They're keeping the ahype alive for a rematch
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>>89439989
Hes talking about Wilder and Fury going on shows after the fight, which never happens
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>>89439992
>>89439992
?
It always happens
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>>89439812
Does Wilder have a permit for his bazookas? You're fucking rich, get a fucking permit.
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What does /box/ think of Eddie Hearn?
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>>89440134
we may not like him, but we have to respect him
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>>89440134
good at his job, don't really give a fuck about him and the majority of my hatred is directed at Sky's selection of pundits and commentators
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>wilder got exposed
Is everyone just going to repeat the same line so they can get a little media attention and fit in the narrative? We didn't see anything we didn't already know about Wilder.
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>>89440134
2nd best promoter.

Bob is number 1 whether /box/ likes it or not
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>>89440253
*ahem*
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>>89440396
Not a promoter, simply an advisor. He's the best damn faux-promoter out there though, the only faux-promoter in fact, he probably killed the others.
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>>89440396
FUCK Eddie Hearn and FUCK Bob Arum!
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>tfw no ring girl gf to cuddle and get hype about boxing with
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>boxing
>real sport
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>>89440490
>implying ring girls care about the actual boxing bout instead of the money and exporsure/instagram followers they get
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>>89440532
They only care about my dick and my sperm.
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Lomachenko gonna look like shit (relatively) this weekend I think. I don't trust anybody coming off shoulder surgery.
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>>89435759
>Black boxing fans
the best boxers are of the African(Italian) race you need to accept this
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nice
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>>89440563
Yeah same thing happened to hurd
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>Ring Magazine has demoted WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder from #2 to #3 in their new rankings for the heavyweight division, behind #1 Anthony Joshua and #2 Tyson Fury.

Fucking hell wilder must be seething hard right now.
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>>89440115
It's considered a destructive device by the ATF and yes in certain states you can actually have one. You don't need a "permit" but without getting too far into it there a couple minor hoops to jump through and for something like that would very VERY expensive. Flamethrower are much cheaper and totally unregulated I'm picking one up next year just for shit and giggles. If you think I'm full of shit go read up on the national firearms act or just take my word for it
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>>89440929
kek. Shows you how much bullshit it is when he didn't officially lose
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>>89427014
Also in bare-knuckle there are a lot less shots to the head because it hurts like a motherfucker. Bodyshots are vicious and king.
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>>89441339
>The WBC is happy to confirm that a direct rematch has been approved and will create in a ruling which will also consider the mandatory status of the division
>will create in a ruling which will also consider the mandatory status of the division
wtf does this mean other than a rematch is ordered
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>>89428456
wilder stans be mad af
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>>89441380
I would take it as Breazeale being bumped to 2nd mandatory
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>>89439164
>>89439220
Kek
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>>89441339
The WBC are fucking Jews but I'll give them credit for this. Though for all we know they're setting up another rigged fight. Everyone knows the WBC hates any champion that isn't Mexican or American.
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Wilder is a black heavyweight Cletus Seldin
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>>89441545
They try to line up what's good for Haymon with good for boxing. Wilder can't fight Breazeale because it's too much of a step back on money, Joshua fight isn't right with a cloud over it and he'd lose leverage if he had to do it for money and Tyson Fury deserves the fight. Whyte could complain because he'd have been 2nd mandatory even if he beat Ortiz but he's going to get the Joshua fight anyway so doesn't matter.
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