>Trump officials deleting mentions of ‘climate change’ from U.S. Geological Survey press releaseshttps://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/trump-officials-deleting-mentions-climate-change-us-geological-survey-press-releaseshttp://archive.is/jdqQz>Donald Trump Called Climate Change a Hoax. Now He's Awkwardly Boasting About Fighting Ithttps://time.com/5622374/donald-trump-climate-change-hoax-event/http://archive.is/hnrEs
So the plan is that if your children don't have a bunker, fuck them?
>>10795491leave my children out of thisseriously though things will get a lot worse before they get betteri wonder what max temperatures we'll be seeing in 20 years time
>>10795485So what?Why do you care about climate change?Things always changed and they always will you fucking biggot. You need to accept diversity of climates.
Canada already burned centuries of geographical data:https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/4w578d/the-harper-government-has-trashed-and-burned-environmental-books-and-documentsThis is nothing new
>>10795502>Why do you care about climate change?mostly as a spectator sport of watching yanks burn and drownbarely effects my part of the world at allbut the lawn gets terribly yellow so you knowtry my it the reduce the effort of maintaining a nice garden
>>10795502last time climate changed this fast and this much, mass extinction of most life on earth followedinsect populations have already dropped significantly worldwide
>>10795519Insects dying because humans poisoning them.
>>10795519>mass extinction of most life on earth followedSo what?Change happens, this is how evolution works.Once they will go extinct, this will free up the ecological niches and allow new species to emerge.You need to open yourself to change.
>>10795535Look at all these great changes.
>>10795491>children Shit will hit the fan in our own lifetime. It's already bad now. Imagine 50 years from now. We'd be about to start retiring and everything will go to shit just then. Just the perfect way to spend the last days of our lives, in an increasingly unstable world.
>>10795499>before they get betterThey won't get better at all if we don't do anything. For some reason climate denialists believe that this will somehow pass, without us lifting a finger.
>>10795502>So what?>Why do you care about your welfare and the welfare of your children and grand children?>Things always have gone to shit and always will you fucking biggot. You need to accept that war and famine and poverty are just as good as peace and prosperity.
>Another climate change thread
>>10795562The real cause of poverty, war and environmental damage is over population.Do you want to stop it?Stop having kids.
>>10795572>the real cause of human suffering is human life existing at all>kill all human life and end sufferingBig brain take here.
>>10795572No the problem iss climate change.
>>10795485Thanks for reminding me that Trump is the only politician for 2020 that has not bent over for the climate alarmists. I wish I could vote Yang but he seems to be climate cucked too. Trump 2020 it seems.
>>10795561People in the future will be adapted to those climate conditions.
>>10795578You're Polish, you cannot vote in American elections, retard.
>>10795579>climate change will solve itself through magicAnother big brain take.
>>10795583>no evidenceWe all know you're the Polish apples faggot.
So why don't we build a large sun reflector in space and just reflect whatever comes from the sun for some days every year?
>>10795485It’s a quack “science” filled with fraud and an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Don’t blame the “deniers” for 30 years of failed alarmist predictions you didn’t call out either.
>>10795586Cause, 1. the costs would be magnitudes more than just the normal climate actions proposals2. we want sun light, just not excessive trapped heat
>>10795584Nice, I get it. You showed no evidence, and now want the opposing side to show evidence. Just like climate alarmists. I know explaining the joke ruins it but you are based and red-pilled.
>>10795519It’s not changing fast at all. The “corrections” of past data have all been made in the same direction.
>>10795590Either way you have Polish climate denier level, education and IQ. Even sadder if you're not Polish.
>>10795593Almost as if there is some kind of non-natural cause for climate change.
>>10795594>he thinks falling for the climate alarmists’ swindle makes him smartCringe and bluepilled. This is I know you are wrong. I’d never imply that my opinions make me smarter, but you are so insecure you need to claim everyone who disagrees has a low IQ. SAD!
>https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-change-mitigation-co-benefits-1.5205552>"What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?">Ten years after U.S. cartoonist Joel Pett penned that cartoon, there is stronger scientific consensus than ever that climate change is real, and more and more evidence that fighting climate change has positive side effects or "co-benefits.">Co-benefits such as reducing deaths from air pollution and boosting technological innovation may lower the net costs of climate action to zero or even lead to a net economic benefit rather than a cost, studies show.>And failing to take those into account — effectively miscalculating the costs of climate change action — may lead to bad decisions and inaction that are more costly in the long run, says Canadian environmental economist Kirk Hamilton.>"Essentially, we're just leaving dollars on the table by ignoring co-benefits," said Hamilton, an economic consultant and visiting professor at the London School of Economics who has studied the co-benefits of climate change mitigation in depth. "In some ways, we've been doing the modelling wrong.">Positive side effects from cutting emissions will occur even if they're not accounted for, he noted. "You're just not feeding [them] into your decision making process, which means you're making bad decisions."
>>10795592Replace “climate change” with “Jesus” and you’ll see humans were as astute on weather a few hundred years ago as they are now. Literally everything is blamed on a catch all term of “climate change”. It’s absolute shit tier “science” that makes psychology look credible as a “science”. Fuck, it makes Scientology credible as a science.
>>10795576Just reduce the population of this planet>>10795577There wouldn't be any issue if instead of being 7 billions, there were only 7 millions of humans on this planet.Kill yourself and save the planet ;)
>>10795603The denialists started this propaganda tactic: Whenever they want to push some policy despite scientific evidence showing it's harmful, they just publish some bullshit economics paper saying that it's actually beneficial. Lying with statistics is very easy and economists are always happy to please their business partners. Glad to see it's backfiring on them, in this instance.
>>10795606>>10795608Please stop replying to me you nutjob. I'm not going to engage with you any further. This is a science board. No point in entertaining people who outright deny science.
>>10795612Because the alarmist track record is so robust /s. Oh you just need to become a socialist third world hell hole and TADA! Earth fixes itself. Well one country has reduced its CO2 without even trying and it ain’t Venezuela.
>>10795614>gets his narrative from a college dropout>calls everyone else anti-science
>>10795485who cares? at this point it's happening and there's nothing you can do about it because the great majority of people just don't care about fixing the problem. you're asking people to give up every convenience fossil fuels grant them in their day to day life. air conditioning and tvs and computers powered by fossil fuel, smart phones and electronics filled with rare metals mined by fossil fuels, food of every variety inefficiently farmed and shipped with fossil fuels.people are never going to give up every modern luxury they have so the world is going to keep burning. it's already too late to fix anything, so just enjoy the years you have left because the worst of it won't be felt in your life time as long as you you're white and you live in a first world country. and if you don't? well, sucks to be you, better luck next civilization, but at least take heart knowing we're all going to die eventually.
fossil fuel shills get paid per post or per reply?sometimes i wonder if it's bot doing controlled opposition too?
>>10795629>you're asking people to give up every conveniencestrawman
>>10795634it's not a strawman, it's literally the only way massive climate change is going to be stopped, or reversed. every half assed liberal plan is just pushing the deadline back 10 years, and every conservative policy is just stepping on the accelerator at best.
>>10795614I'm not denying the science you retard.I'm saying that the cause of the problem are humans, and if there was a lower population on this planet you wouldn't have the issue.Lets start a mass sterilization program.
>>10795640>it's not a strawmanyes it it>every half assed liberal planshowing your political colours now
>>10795634same poster again but like, look into how much of your life is made possible through the convenience of fossil fuel and co2 release. it permeates every part of society. do you know how much pollution and co2 release concrete production alone causes? that should be a real eye opener for just how fucked we are when you realize concrete is a part of almost every single building and structure we make.
>>10795643> look into how muchfalling every yearyou pretend fossil fuels are the only source of energy and that they must be given up completelythis in not truestrawman
>>10795643>Muh concrete5% of human CO2 emissions. Irrelevant.
>>10795642>sees word liberal and thinks it means they're on the other teamI'll see you in our self made hell you brainlet
make the situation out the be impossible to changeclassic shill tactic
>>10795629>who cares? Everyone who doens't want to suffer.>at this point it's happening and there's nothing you can do about it We can do loads. >because the great majority of people just don't care about fixing the problem.False. Even in the US, people are concerned and willing to act on climate change. Just look at the polls by the Yale climate perception group.>you're asking people to give up every convenience fossil fuels grant them in their day to day life. air conditioning and tvs and computers powered by fossil fuel, smart phones and electronics filled with rare metals mined by fossil fuels, food of every variety inefficiently farmed and shipped with fossil fuels....and you call US alarmists,>people are never going to give up every modern luxury they have so the world is going to keep burning. Makes no sense. Of course people will sacrifice convenience and frivolous consumerism to protect their lives.>it's already too late to fix anything, Cannot be too late by the nature of the problem. No matter when you act it's always beneficial and better than not acting.0/10. Try harder next time, shill.
>>10795649>>>sees word liberal and thinks it means they're on the other teamThe (You) is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a conservative and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
>>10795485Google also started a global sweep on any search results implying Bill Clinton has any affiliation to Epstein.
>>10795659They hiding Trump's links too?see>>10795657
Just nuke China out of existance.There, problem solved.
>>10795502Fuck off back to /pol/
>>10795678not an argument
>>10795587>Unfalsifiable hypothesisNeither the greenhouse effect nor AGW are “unfalsifiable”.
>>10795684It’s not supposed to be an argument, retard. Fuck off back to /pol/
>>10795686>i'm a fucking retard who doesn't know how to reply to an argument so i will insinuate that the other person is underage to deny his point>>10795691Why do retarded people always get so angry when they are wrong?
>>10795702Fuck off back to /pol/.
>>10795732>t. broken npc
It's fucking crazy that you can pollute other people's land and air, while profiting from that pollution and not being liable for damages.And then worst still that you cannot even fix this situation because the profiters are corrupting the political process.Literally, what the fuck!So much for capitalism, democracy and law and order and justice and courts!
>>10795753Don't worry those people will come to you.
>>10795753CO2 is not pollution, you literally exhale it. Real pollution is not related to AGW hypothesis and people that think it is are ignoring real pollution out of ignorance.
>>10795737>t. retarded /pol/tard moron
>>10795787>CO2 is not pollution, you literally exhale it. Doesn’t mean it isn’t pollution.
>>10795789>shit is pollution, you excrete it>CO2 isn't pollution, you exhale it Good job
>>10795800Both of those are pollutants. They’re emitted by our bodies and have negative effects on the environment.
>>10795805Oops, meant to reply to the person you were applying to. But you're right, these idiots think because the tiny amount we produce through brwathe is natural, that means putting billions of tons into the atmosphere through industrial means is perfectly fine.
>>10795789Then water is pollution
>>10795824Dirty water is pollution
>>10795800>>10795824Imagine if somebody created some process by which to create energy and the byproduct was, piss, lots of it, so much of it that it was flooding every single land mass on the planet up to ankle height. CO2 pollution is like that but a lot worst.
>>10795800Shit is literally spread on crops you eat.
>>10795617Yeah because of Obama era energy policies and states like California and New York taking action.
>>10795836The hypothesis is that it’s worse. And alarmists overstate the risk and understate the uncertainty. Usually to a politically expedient effect that often has no relation to the stated problem. Being “green” should relate to the amount of biomass on the planet. CO2 increases biomass.
>>10795838DESIGNATED SHITTING STREETS.
>http://news.mit.edu/2019/carbon-threshold-mass-extinction-0708>Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction>Carbon dioxide emissions may trigger a reflex in the carbon cycle, with devastating consequences, study finds. >Daniel Rothman, professor of geophysics and co-director of the Lorenz Center in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, has found that when the rate at which carbon dioxide enters the oceans pushes past a certain threshold — whether as the result of a sudden burst or a slow, steady influx — the Earth may respond with a runaway cascade of chemical feedbacks, leading to extreme ocean acidification that dramatically amplifies the effects of the original trigger.>This global reflex causes huge changes in the amount of carbon contained in the Earth’s oceans, and geologists can see evidence of these changes in layers of sediments preserved over hundreds of millions of years.>In other words, if today’s human-induced emissions cross the threshold and continue beyond it, as Rothman predicts they soon will, the consequences may be just as severe as what the Earth experienced during its previous mass extinctions.>“It’s difficult to know how things will end up given what’s happening today,” Rothman says. “But we’re probably close to a critical threshold. Any spike would reach its maximum after about 10,000 years. Hopefully that would give us time to find a solution.”>“We already know that our CO2-emitting actions will have consequences for many millennia,” says Timothy Lenton, professor of climate change and earth systems science at the University of Exeter. “This study suggests those consequences could be much more dramatic than previously expected. If we push the Earth system too far, then it takes over and determines its own response — past that point there will be little we can do about it.”>This research was supported, in part, by NASA and the National Science Foundation.
>>10795572>The real cause of poverty, war and environmental damage is over population.It's resource scarcity ya dip.
>>10795846>And alarmists overstate the riskNot true.>and understate the uncertainty.This doesn't even make sense. Suppose the uncertainty of extinction was moderately large, we just ignore it to keep playing with our Chinese trinkets?
>>10795848CouldWon’tThis type of rhetoric and guaranteed failed prediction is how you create future skeptics for the next “crisis”. Eventually a real crisis will get here and nobody will believe it is a real problem. And you can blame those “skeptics” or you can blame this slop they were raised on.
>>10795853>Suppose the uncertainty of extinction was moderately largeThe uncertainty of catastrophe is nil. We know it's happening and we know it will continue to happen. Whether that leads to extinction or not is up to us, but it will definitely lead to lots damage.
>>10795855Shut up retard.
>>10795491Fuck the children. I don't give a fuck. If they can't buy one with their hard earned money, they shouldn't expect free handouts.
>>10795838That's probably why there's so many e. coli recalls, eh?
>>10795865It's supposed to be treated before it's dumped on crops. But don't trust farmers to not fuck up with your food. Greedy fucks.
>>10795864You won't be spared either. We are already experiencing frequent climate change driven natural disasters today. It's only going to get worst from here on. You'll be alive to witness, maybe not the worst of it, but you'll witness some shit, don't worry.
>>10795867>It's supposed to be treated before it's dumped in the atmosphere. But don't trust CEOs to not fuck up with your air. Greedy fucks
>>10795534This. Also invasive species, which were introduced by humans.
>>10795887Except you cannot actually threat CO2. Well you can capture it, but at a cost that makes fossil fuels more expensive than other energy sources.
>>10795824Dirty water sure is, but treated water is not and can be freely released without meaningful harm.
>>10795491I thought that was always the plan. A-Are you all telling me you didn't get the memo?
>>10795890I have a solution to the heat problem.
>>10795890>Imagine being this retardedCO2 is not the only emission and it's certainly not the most harmful one either. The healthcare industry is effectively subsidizing the fossil fuel industry several billion dollars per year for completely preventable illnesses caused by uncleaned emissions.
Lol at the shills, making other threads because they got demolished in this one. Two on the front page right now. Completely devoid of content and entirely political in nature. Disgusting.
>>10795935Yeah they (or he) do it every single time. They are committed. But I think they chose the wrong battle ground.No way in hell that /sci/ is going to get converted by /pol/ lol.
>>10795787>C02 issshhh plent fyoooood
>>10795561We don't argue that. In fact, we don't argue that we can see the future at all. You know why? Climate science isn't a hard science. Of course you know that, though, otherwise you wouldn't need 3-7 threads running constantly to "prove" it. There's a difference between shitposters and shill posters, and you're definitely the latter.
>>10795846>And alarmists overstate the risk and understate the uncertainty.The risks and uncertainty are what the research says it is. Too bad you have none supporting you. >Being “green” should relate to the amount of biomass on the planet. CO2 increases biomass.This would make sense if the environment was as simple as a retard like you thinks it is. But it's not.
>>10795984Great another high school dropout who thinks its only science if it fits into a test tube.
>>10795485This is what happens when the left's hypocrisy is too obvious. A hypocrite is apparently more reviled than an actual villain.
>>10795984>Climate science isn't a hard science.It is a hard science since the definition of "hard science" is usually natural sciences. Climatology is a natural science.>Of course you know that, though, otherwise you wouldn't need 3-7 threads running constantly to "prove" it.Denialists are usually the ones making the threads, before abandoning them when /sci/ anons show up and undermine their bad arguments.>There's a difference between shitposters and shill posters, and you're definitely the latter.hypocrisy
>>10796030Your dad's semen was in a test tube for approx 4 hours. >>10796038>I'm not a shill go- *ahem* retard! You're a shill! Climate science is not a natural science. In fact, it doesn't follow the scientific method at all. And before you appeal to an authority, please don't.
>>10796091I have a PhD in the scientific method, bitch
>>10796091>Climate science is not a natural science. In fact, it doesn't follow the scientific method at all.Both false statements. Direct observational data and proxy data are both physically measured, empirical evidence. Conclusions are drawn based upon those measurements. The instrumental record in particular is quite accurate and insightful about the magnitude and progression of modern warming, although not perfect.>And before you appeal to an authority, please don't.About the definition of a term? What a joke you are.
It's funny when denialists pretend they aren't nutjobs.>OH LOOK AT ME I CAN WRITE A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT ENGLISH SENTENCE>THAT MEANS THAT MY OPINION IS VALID AND YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELYNope. You're still nutjobs. You cannot "debate" scientific results without first publishing a peer reviewed paper and subsequently defending your stance.
>>10796158get an argument
>>10796185Lick my crusty arse and eat my smegma
>>10795664>believing that this it is just that easy
>>10796203learn science and stop being a denialtard
>>10796292>denialtardIs that the word the Jews use nowadays
>>10796294Never forget this is the type of ignorant subhuman who denies science. This is who you're dealing with.
>>10796319>Climate ChangeNot science or math.
>>10796327Well a /pol/tard is the final authority on science and math so I guess that settles that.
>>10796410Logical fallacies only apply to an argument, calling a retard without an argument a retard is simply a direct observation of reality. State an argument then the ad hominem fallacy can apply.
>>10796413>I'm not using ad hominemYes you are. You're the one without an argument.
>>10796425Here you go, >>10794982 please provide citations for any points you are attempting to refute.
>>10796429Nice virus link
>>10796469Nice pol quote
>>10795485Clamped, vaccinated, circumcised.
>>10796811The entirety of the situation, that is.
If anyone is wondering what climate change will look like in the future, google Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum and replace hundreds of years with decades. It's gonna be nasty.
>>10796865We're headed towards grand solar minimum. Chemtrails are all that's keeping the planet so warm. Unsure what releasing all the methane from the seafloor etc will do (already well underway and probably unstoppable), possibly turn this place into Venus.People still won't even consider chemtrails.Not gonna make it.
>>10795485OK cool but why are they starting a temperature scale in July at -29 C. Seems intentionally sensationalist.
>>10795485>it's another climate change thread.Let's just get this out of the way.Is the climate changing? Yes (if you don't at least believe the climate is changing, you are a massive retard).Can we do anything about it? Yes (nuclear/investment in other technologies like solar and wind).Will people do anything about it? The way things are looking, probably not. This is partially due to autism and partially due to ulterior motives.The autism comes from the fact that scientists calls anyone who disagrees with them a massive retard and goes on to publicly shame them. Now are these people massive retards? Yes. But going on TV and claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a hillbilly is autistic beyond belief. You aren't going to win over minds by saying you will outvote, silence, and brainwash people who disagree with you. It might be frustrating to deal with morons, but such is the way of the world.Now for the ulterior motives. Oil lobbies will always exist against this but anyone with a brain can see that unenforced/unenforceable carbon taxes are just a wealth redistribution scheme (like the Paris Accords for example). Anyone who isn't completely brainwashed should be against it.The autism here is that scientists legitimately think that people will give up luxuries to avoid some catastrophe that is at least a decade away. For people so technically smart, they really have no people skills.
>>10795485Trump officials are clamped and circumcised.
>>10796938you're a complete and utter moron. we need a strong completely powerful government to forcibly take away people's luxury goods. this can be achieved through revolution. the people who refuse to give up their goods are powerless to stop it, they are literal babbling children.honestly the best way to go about this is unironically just destroying the political and economic structure of the US and china, but someone else is gonna have to do that cause i'm not good at that stuff
>>10796960Sounds like a great plan. And if dying governments or other powers looking to fill the vacuum start letting nukes fly into critical environments for the global ecosystem, the next person will handle it. And this uncorruptable person will never abuse their powers to take away your freedoms or even start the process all over again. And people will just go along with this I'm sure.Although the part where I agree with you is that the world needs a hegemonic military force to keep everyone in check. The only reason we still have a semblance of peace today is because people don't want the US introducing them to "freedom" if they step too much out of line.
>>10795502Now this is epik. You sure showed those libs >:))). Posts like this is why i come to >>>/pol/
republicans know the only way climate change will end is in massive war so they are diverting as much money to ensure the united states wins the coming ecologically cuased global apocalyptic race war
>>10797229Uh, we've been doing that for the last 70 years. Look at any current temperature map, notice the most conspicuously less warm part of the planet is the US. It's because we and all other NATO members accept CHEMTRAILS. ie, GEOENGINEERING.Too bad it causes ECOLOGICAL DESTRUCTION.
>>10796938carbon tax is a great idea that will be effective at reducing fossil fuel use and encouraging development of alternatives
>>10797249Carbon tax is the clamped solution.
>>10797249>This message brought you by CACIEG (the Corporate Advisory Council for Infinite Economic Growth)
>>10797256>>10797249personally I'm more in favor of camps for CO2 polluters, we'll ironically gas them with the CO2 they love so much
>>10797279What about the vaccinators, circumcisers, and umbilical clampers? Will they get the camps too?
>>10796936It's the equivalent to someone claiming that the world is cooling and they only show temperatures in mid-january, while still keeping 50C at the top.
>>10797320Ah.... I see that he was clamped.>clamp:^)
>>10797363nah i'm a eurofag, clamping is for amerilards
>>10797258Are you retarded? No decarbonization is preferred for infinite economic growth. At least until natural ecosystems are devastated, vast amounts of arable land is desertified, and nukes start flying.
>>10795664You can't even knock over a country as weak as Syria and you want to start a war with 100 times bigger?
>>10797411Ah.... I see he was vaccinated.
>>10797479yeah my parents were crazy anti vaxxers so I wasn't vaccinated until I was 18.
>>10797488Hm. Good to hear that anon. Unfortunate you were ultimately vaccinated, but certainly better than most.Sounds like you were retarded and let/had yourself vaccinated though.
>environment changed before over thousands to millions of years>our current environment changes over less than 100 years>"they're the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"what morons
I will ask here.How CFCs managed to get to ozone layer, being 5 times denser, than air?
>>10797508CFCs didn't do very much. It was mostly chemtrails (aluminum, barium, strontium) being beamed by phased array radar. Ozone depletion is mentioned right in their patents.I can't wait for shit to really collapse. Even if I don't survive, seeing all you dumbasses living the truth.
>>10797518Post that all you want, it changes nothing.
>>10797508Fucking retard. Ozone is also more dense than air at STP. Maybe you should try to figure out that one first
>>10797516Hm. There is not much wind at ground level...>>10797279Better R152a. Dying from air duster gas is more fun>>10797531Ozone is there because O2 (which is lighter than air) being struck by UV becomes O3. And it sinks down, while new O3 is being produced.What I really don't understand, how CFCs got there.Do other gases, like propane get there? >>10797513I smell /x/ leaking.
>>10797249It is if everyone goes for it all at once with no stragglers and harsh enforcement. That has never happened in any agreement till date. And that goes back to the problem of forcing people to give up luxuries. If China gets a pass for manufacturing, then you'll have a hard time convincing people why their countries can't either. Especially since China will keep getting richer while other countries might face a recession.
>>10797538I know. I can mix some bleach and HCL acid, this will make chlorine gas which is visible green stuff, and I can try mixing it with air using fan. See ya in hell
>>10797542tariffs and sanctions, china's industry would die without burgers buying their shit
>>10797519Then why are you responding?>>>/x/
>>10797538>All gases are idealk
>>10797538>Hm. There is not much wind at ground level...Wind is a macro-phenomenon, turbulence is not.
>>10797508have you ever thought about how the atmosphere isn't static?
>>10797547Perhaps, but as recent sanctions show, it would take harsh, sustained sanctions, easily over the term of a president (I doubt China will collapse in another 4 years with the sanctions they currently have). This would require bipartisan agreement.Also, if China is really under pressure, the first thing they'll do is jack up prices. If it becomes too harsh on the US, it'll be an easy political win at that time for a party to lift them. Do you have confidence they won't?
>>10797567Gases more like a springy liquid. >>10797568Yes.Oxygen is heavier than air. Its concentration reduces with altitude. So, same rule should apply to CFCs, right? What sort of concentrations are required to cause havoc?>>10797570No, because I'm retard
>>10795502It's funny that some retards genuinely believe this is an argument
>>10797573A carbon tax will require the GOP to stop fucking around in the first place, unless the democrats to control every branch which is unlikely. EU+US have much more economic bargaining power than china does and it makes a whole lot more sense for china to just comply and pass an equal tax. If they don't then it at least makes domestic manufacturing competitive again.
>>10795491>A bunker is needed for a sea level rise>A bunker is needed for temperatures increasing 5 degrees celsius on average>A bunker is needed to protect yourself from the lessened UV raysWhich part of this requires you to have a bunker?
>>10797606>>A bunker is needed for a sea level riseBoat>>A bunker is needed for temperatures increasing 5 degrees celsius on averageAircon>>A bunker is needed to protect yourself from the lessened UV raysBeing blackNothing requires a bunker.
>>10795485Trump does what he wants. How is anyone even surprised by his controversies?
>>10797645people can't accept the fact that he truly is America personified
>>10797584>Its concentration reduces with altitude.The percentage of oxygen in the air remains the same, air itself gets thinner. The higher the concentration of CFCs, the more that reach the ozone layer.
>temperature rises>turn up ACWow ! climate change will end the world
>>10795502>You need to accept diversity of climates.
>>10795502Kek. Funny how people didn't get the joke.
>>10798391>refuting a jokeThe absolute state of the standard of discourse among /pol/tards
>>10795491The nuclear winter from the Indian-Pakistani atomic annihilation will cool things down again.
>>10798166>The percentage of oxygen in the air remains the sameOk. Looks like first 100 km it doesn't change much. Another stupid question. How many moles of CFCs do you need to remove one mole of ozone?
I think we can nuke each other, as God wanted us to do. This will cause nuclear winter, and we would need heating and shit.
>>10799161>https://www.jstor.org/stable/27855550?seq=2#metadata_info_tab_contents>each chlorine atom destroys approximately 100,000 molecules of ozone.Feel free to do the mole conversion if you want
Give it to me straight /sci/: Is "Climate Change" a government hoax to introduce new taxes, or is it really man made?
>>10799260if you even have to ask you're probably the type of person who blames a vast Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race every time you can't find your keys so nothing I say will convince you.
>>10799265If the people who conspire to immigrate africans and arabs en masse to european countries are overwhelmingly jewish, then that is no longer a theory but indeed as you pointed out a jewish conspiracy.But that is another topic entirely.
>>10799283>Shit I can't find the remote!FUCKING JEWS1111111111
>>10799244>each chlorine atom destroys approximately 100,000 molecules of ozone.Hm... But why? According to their reaction, one chlorine - one ruined ozone molecule, no?
>>10796909>Chemtrailsdelusional schizophrenic detected, opinion discarded
>>10797508>>10797538the atmosphere is fairly well-mixed and isn't density-stratified. this is why there's so much fucking nitrogen at ground level despite it being lighter than almost every other component of air.
>>10799435>But why? According to their reaction, one chlorine - one ruined ozone molecule, no?except that the reaction ends up liberating the chlorine radical afterwards, allowing it to react with more ozone.
>>10799452>>10799161Not really, but first 100 km which are most interesting are uniform.>>10799464So, ClO will form quicker, than O2 will pick up free O atom to form O3? And ClO requires less energy to break apart, so you have increased UV on ground level, right?
>>10799435Have you tried you know reading the paper I linked?
>>10799487I did, but... I need to steal entire thing somehow.
>>10799480there isn't really atmosphere beyond the Kármán line at 100 km. it's more of a diffuse plume of rarefied gas gradually escaping from the atmosphere.99.99997% of total mass lies below 100 km.
>>10799284nobody is laughing.
>>10799577Did the Jews steal your sense of humor too?
>>10799577Actually they are, at you.
>>10799577If they are, only because they don't want the headache of thinking that there are people who unironically think believe refugees are coming to Yerop because of da jooz.
>>10798171Leaving aside the fact that coasts, including cities, shipping ports, naval bases, and probably nuclear reactors will be fucked by rising oceans, and leaving aside the droughts and heatwaves, there will be more tropical diseases like dengue, malaria and yellow fever, as well as more Lyme's disease, in North America and Europe if climate change gets bad enough. The reason no one responded is that it's obviously dumb.
>>10798740It didn't happen in 1998 when both countries were in a full out shooting war. It's not going to happen.
>>10797599Carbon taxes will absolutely be disregarded once it risks negatively impacting their constituents.We drew a line in the sand with our debt ceiling, most every country did, know what happened the MINUTE they came up against it?They raised it. And they both controlled the tax collections (the ins) and the spending (the outs).Hell, Germany and Japan have agreed to shut down all nuclear power generation. They've effectively thrown in the towel at reducing their carbon emissions.
>>10797573China is more dependent on the US as it's #1 consumer than the US is reliant on China as its #3 supplier.
>>10795582>the earth is just passively lying therewow sure is big brained here on (((sci)))
>>10799997at the time scales we care about pretty much yeah
>>10800232Yes it will. It literally already affects us today. You are literally lying about what people are actually experiencing today, personally.That's insane.
>>10800232> dude lol why do you care about millions of climate refugees, trillions in economic damage, food shortages and epidemics > lol things have always changed bro so all change is fine
>>10795502sure caught a lot of retards with this one lmao
>>10795559>Imagine 50 years from now.Who cares?
>>10800321Despite things like the NTBT preventing most developing countries from forming their own nuclear power industries?Or the bare minimum industrial development it takes to even attempt to violate the NTBT?
>>10800313Stop fucking gaslighting, you dishonest scumbag.
>>108003213rd world countries are not responsible for most emissions.And if they tried to stop buying oil, the US would invade them and destroy their country.
>>10800349>>10800351Nobody cares about your edgy commentary. Go preach to your 15 year old peers and leave the adults alone.
>>10800345Except for when those third world countries attempt to industrialize, using fossil fuels as the readily available source of cheap energy, rapidly grow in population as health and wealth increase with their energy needs growing commiserate with that, until they finally are fully industrialized and THEN their rates of population growth go down.And with their industrialization late in the game, their route will have a greater impact than the West which did it starting from a lower base population.
>>10795485climatechangefags are the worst
https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/05/SR15_Chapter3_Low_Res.pdf>The impacts of climate change are being felt in every inhabited continent and in the oceans. However, they are not spread uniformly across the globe, and different parts of the world experience impacts differently. An average warming of 1.5°C across the whole globe raises the risk of heatwaves and heavy rainfall events, amongst many other potential impacts. Limiting warming to 1.5°C rather than 2°C can help reduce these risks, but the impacts the world experiences will depend on the specific greenhouse gas emissions ‘pathway’ taken. The consequences of temporarily overshooting 1.5°C of warming and returning to this level later in the century, for example, could be larger than if temperature stabilizes below 1.5°C. The size and duration of an overshoot will also affect future impacts.>Human activity has warmed the world by about 1°C since pre-industrial times, and the impacts of this warming have already been felt in many parts of the world. This estimate of the increase in global temperature is the average of many thousands of temperature measurements taken over the world’s land and oceans. Temperatures are not changing at the same speed everywhere, however: warming is strongest on continents and is particularly strong in the Arctic in the cold season and in mid-latitude regions in the warm season. This is due to self-amplifying mechanisms, for instance due to snow and ice melt reducing the reflectivity of solar radiation at the surface, or soil drying leading to less evaporative cooling in the interior of continents. This means that some parts of the world have already experienced temperatures greater than 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels.
>>10800408>Extra warming on top of the approximately 1°C we have seen so far would amplify the risks and associated impacts, with implications for the world and its inhabitants. This would be the case even if the global warming is held at 1.5°C, just half a degree above where we are now, and would be further amplified at 2°C of global warming. Reaching 2°C instead of 1.5°C of global warming would lead to substantial warming of extreme hot days in all land regions. It would also lead to an increase in heavy rainfall events in some regions, particularly in the high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, potentially raising the risk of flooding. In addition, some regions, such as the Mediterranean, are projected to become drier at 2°C versus 1.5°C of global warming. The impacts of any additional warming would also include stronger melting of ice sheets and glaciers, as well as increased sea level rise, which would continue long after the stabilization of atmospheric CO2 concentrations. >>>Change in climate means and extremes have knock-on effects for the societies and ecosystems living on the planet. Climate change is projected to be a poverty multiplier, which means that its impacts are expected to make the poor poorer and the total number of people living in poverty greater. The 0.5°C rise in global temperatures that we have experienced in the past 50 years has contributed to shifts in the distribution of plant and animal species, decreases in crop yields and more frequent wildfires. Similar changes can be expected with further rises in global temperature.
>>10800411>Essentially, the lower the rise in global temperature above pre-industrial levels, the lower the risks to human societies and natural ecosystems. Put another way, limiting warming to 1.5°C can be understood in terms of ‘avoided impacts’ compared to higher levels of warming. Many of the impacts of climate change assessed in this report have lower associated risks at 1.5°C compared to 2°C.>Thermal expansion of the ocean means sea level will continue to rise even if the increase in global temperature is limited to 1.5°C, but this rise would be lower than in a 2°C warmer world. Ocean acidification, the process by which excess CO2 is dissolving into the ocean and increasing its acidity, is expected to be less damaging in a world where CO2 emissions are reduced and warming is stabilized at 1.5°C compared to 2°C. The persistence of coral reefs is greater in a 1.5°C world than that of a 2°C world, too.
>>10800415>The impacts of climate change that we experience in future will be affected by factors other than the change in temperature. The consequences of 1.5°C of warming will additionally depend on the specific greenhouse gas emissions ‘pathway’ that is followed and the extent to which adaptation can reduce vulnerability. This IPCC Special Report uses a number of ‘pathways’ to explore different possibilities for limiting global warming to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels. One type of pathway sees global temperature stabilize at, or just below, 1.5°C. Another sees global temperature temporarily exceed 1.5°C before declining later in the century (known as an ‘overshoot’ pathway). >Such pathways would have different associated impacts, so it is important to distinguish between them for planning adaptation and mitigation strategies. For example, impacts from an overshoot pathway could be larger than impacts from a stabilization pathway. The size and duration of an overshoot would also have consequences for the impacts the world experiences. For instance, pathways that overshoot 1.5°C run a greater risk of passing through ‘tipping points’, thresholds beyond which certain impacts can no longer be avoided even if temperatures are brought back down later on. The collapse of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets on the time scale of centuries and millennia is one example of a tipping point.
>>10800408>>10800411>>10800415>>10800419black people and south americans grew up in warmer climates. are you implying that the world is better in northern, cooler regions of the earth, because that's racist, like scientifically.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2875>Anthropogenic climate change represents a global threat to human well-being1,2,3 and ecosystem functioning4. Yet despite its importance for science and policy, our understanding of the causes of widespread uncertainty and doubt found among the general public remains limited. The political and social processes driving such doubt and uncertainty are difficult to rigorously analyse, and research has tended to focus on the individual-level, rather than the larger institutions and social networks that produce and disseminate contrarian information. This study presents a new approach by using network science to uncover the institutional and corporate structure of the climate change counter-movement, and machine-learning text analysis to show its influence in the news media and bureaucratic politics. The data include a new social network of all known organizations and individuals promoting contrarian viewpoints, as well as the entirety of all written and verbal texts about climate change from 1993–2013 from every organization, three major news outlets, all US presidents, and every occurrence on the floor of the US Congress. Using network and computational text analysis, I find that the organizational power within the contrarian network, and the magnitude of semantic similarity, are both predicted by ties to elite corporate benefactors.
>>10795502>diversity of climatewell memed my friend
>>10795485>M-MUH EMAILS>MUH SHILLARY>MUUHH SWAMMMMPPPPPPAmerica is an embarrassment.
>>10795485Trump is the worst president ever. He is a nightmare. The United States will never recover from its presidency.It's not even fun now.
>>10801553I know! What we need is another President engaging in active nation-building in the Middle East, leading to unprecedented refugee crises and the rise of the largest terrorist organization in human history, not to mention stoking racial divisions in the US to the point of race riots appearing across the country and setting back the dial of race relations by 30 years.
>>10801598No. Two or three years ago, your meme could have worked but now ... He did not keep any of his promises (the wall, obamacare, immigration, NK, China, etc.) (thankfully) and his presidency was the most corrupt and the most pro-rich in history.I do not even talk about his crazy nonsense as soon as he speaks on twitter or on TV or the destruction of everything that made the USA the best country in the world (freedom, openness, science, solidarity)
>>10801626*Yawn*We have a great economy right now, we aren't in any stupid wars, and he's attempting to curb immigration although his hands are tied by Democrats and RINOs. Nice try faggot.
>>10800364Little did they know, it was in fact microwave radiation induced ecological collapse that would get us. Something you can actually test in a lab. But you people are so trained to think it'll just work itself out and we'll continue to go along as we have, that you will ignore it.The perfect end for a pathetic animal. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
>>10801553I agree fellow hyoo-mun. Beep boop. The Orange Man is indeed bad.
>>10801861literally a jew lover
>>10801884I used to hate the Jews, then I found out I am one! I was briefly ashamed and walled it out of my mind, but then it became clear that the Jew's mind is indeed apart from the mind of the Goyim. And in these times, superior.Anyone who can read the protocols of the elders of zion and not find the basis for its creation at least somewhat relateable, must be a fool. I would love to subjugate Goyim and Jew alike, I would love to exterminate anything that so much as breathes out of its proper order. The walls would be invisible, but brutal when hit.
>>10799944Then why are non-whites (they are not refugees) coming to Europe? If not because of powerful jewish people in positions of power in the west?
Imagine frequenting a board dedicated to science yet having your head stuck so far up your ass you are unable to connect the dots regarding jews and mass immigration lmao.
>>10802302ah yes the only reason anyone would want a better life for their family is if the jews told them at last I see
>>10802304>why are white people so successful?well you see it's their intelligence work ethic and superior genetics that make them superior!>why are Jews so successful?WELL UH IT'S A VAST JEWISH CONSPIRACY THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY SMART AND HARDWORKING OR ANYTHING THEY JUST CONTROL THE BANKS INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS CORPORATIONS AND THEY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE POOR WHITE MAN WHO'S JUST TRYING TO GET BY BUT THEY ARE ALSO LAZY AND STUPID!!!!!!!
>>10802564The Jew isn't smarter than the Goyim across the board, he just has a certain manner of thought and a greater development of specific subsystem which are useful in big picture abstract thinking. He also universally resists subjugation of any kind, a Jew is always his own master. This leads him to subjugate.
>>10802578Considerably higher average IQ, IQ is heavily correlated with success. Not hard to figure out.
>>10802584Even without a measurable IQ difference the Jew would have certain advantages (which is how he came to have a high IQ, access to the best selective breeding stock from many nations).This is also why his penis is circumcised. He resists all forms of subjugation, but his body is marked with undeniable evidence that he was subjugated. This alters his behavior accordingly and causes him to form a complex concerning the rabbi and his family. Originally the child would be held on the mother's lap during the ritual, but later she was excluded completely. Unsurprising.Twisty transgenerational trauma programming.
>>10796125tree ring proxies are shit and probably all wrong
>>10802588this is the dumbest combination of psychobabble and pseudoscience I've ever heard. I hope I'm being baited.
>>10802597*citation neededand tree rings are only one small line of evidence that verifies climate science.
>>10802600You are not.
>>10802302Syrian war and jobs
>>10795519Is there someone that measures global insect populations, i don't think there is. You're probably talking about those studies that those german hippies do where they only look at a particular area and even then they outright say that it's mostly pesticides.
>>10801653>We have a great economy right nowStocks go up when wages fall my man.
>>10795579This is the kind of bullshit that will push the scales so far that the methane clathrates start melting. Then shit will go from bad to cataclysmic.
>>10802644Not true.Wages fall as demand for labor falls below supply.Stocks go up either by inflation (like under quantitative easing with obama) or increased production or desire for the stock.Face it. Low unemployment due to job growth has started to increase real wages for the first time this decade.
>>10802578>isn't smarter>IQ two standard deviations above normalCongrats shitheads, you played yourselves.You thought you'd shown the likes by taking away their ability to hold land and then decided to not charge interest on loans due to christian prohibition of usury.So in non-Jewish circles wealth stayed within family lines due to a continuous credit crunch and Jewish lenders grew to dominate the banking industry because they were the only ones able to make a decent rate of return.It's not a conspiracy, you ethnonationalists are just retarded and the world hurts you if you're stupid.
>>10802875Stocks also go up when my shoes get gum on them, you're both retarded for using stocks to correlate with anything.
>>10802302>why are poor people moving to countries that have generous social wellfare systems and not staying in European countries that do not despite being closer to their point of entry?I dunno man, it's a real scooby doo mystery. Why are migrants from Guatemala and Panama coming to the US when Mexico is right there and even speaks their language?
>>10802883And if there was a mechanism to explain how the presence of gum on your shoe raised stock prices, you'd have something to add to the conversation. And a Nobel Prize.
>>10802882I have Jew heritage on my mum's side, my father's I don't know much about other than some Freemasonry. I apparently am Jew, and am trying to figure out if this is why I've never fit in and have quite frankly been smarter, greater foresight, tendency towards abstraction and trying to lead people towards something better in the long game. Like I said, it's not simply superior intelligence across all subsystems (and I'm fairly sure that isn't how it started), it's a core superiority in the manner of thought and organization. The Jew organizes within himself, and with others, in a different structure than the other races.This core attribute is what makes the Jew God's chosen people. His supranational nature afforded the selective gathering of superior genes from all over. This is also why true Jews are of an unbroken maternal line, the mitochondrial DNA must be preserved.
>>10802891m8 those mechanisms got us the great recessionwhichwasactuallyadepression, no one who uses those seriously have anything to add to any conversation.
>>10801653>We have a great economy right nowdebt 2 trillion up, hangover on the way.good for the 1% only
>>10802920>good for the 1% onlyThat's what "good for the economy" means.
>>10802915Yeah man. Totally not the housing market where the government propped up "private entities" to give bad loans to retards. And all that REALLY did was revalue the investments to more closely resemble their true value.The long point of the recession was literally market uncertainty due to government policies.>muh depressionThere does not exist a definition for what constitutes a depression and I do not have lack of self awareness to compare 2008 to 1929.
>>10802920>good for the 1% onlyYeah man, we should totally be in a rut, that'll help the middle class just starting to reemerge after the last 10 years.
>>10802920Not bad considering the last administration doubled the debt and didn't have anything to show for it.
>>10802978Guy, government policies are written pretty clearly, American law is meme'd for being long and explicit since spirit of the law didn't work out too well and kept letting people loose on technicalities.If a market can't understand explicit legalese, it's probably doesn't have anything to add to the conversation.If your argument relies on handywaiving and nonspecifics like "uncertainty" without rigorous definition, not that you're interested in definition anyway apparently, then it's not bringing anything more to the table than my gum shoe.Would you like to try again?
>>10802992>thinks the legalese is plainLaughs in tax code.>thinks the issue of uncertainty is the degree that "clearly defined" arbitrary law is imposed and not the fact that it's arbitraryThe sheer number of lawyers employed to argue and circle jerk over what "the legalese" means shows you're being retarded.
>>10803015>tax code is hard to understand>lawyers employed means they're unsureThis is the quality of poster on /sci/.
>>10803025>creates a system of tax codes and regulations no one can keep track of, not even the people who wrote them>assumes it's everyone else's fault that an entire industry can support itself just interpreting the lost of laws written by people who've never created a job in their lives
>>10802559of course anyone would want to come to the best countries on earth, the jews are just enabling them with propaganda and (((undisclosed))) fundings
>>10795485>>Donald Trump Called Climate Change a Hoax.Based
>>10802609>Syrian warmost "refugees" are niggers coming from places further away from syria than europe is
>>10802883>>10802915>i know nothing about economics or finance
>>10803126Clamp war.They clamp our umbilical cords.
>>10803132They inject vitamin K (w/ aluminum)They circumcise.They vaccinate.
There is literally nothing wrong with mass extinction
>>10803029>But stocks? Elementary!
>>10800364retard you posted fake quotes and didn't check to see if it was legit. Try again tomorrow.
>>10803165What about circumcision, early clamping of the umbilical cord, and vaccination?
>>10795485The cause of his dementiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein%E2%80%93Barr_virus
>>10795508What a depressing article. That the destruction of archives like that isn't a crime that the law punishes with jail time, shows just how arbitrary and idiotic even above average government really is. Why even bother doing science if that never improves?
>>10803241Jail time? Try public hangings.
>>10803249Whipping to death on 5th Avenue
stfu already, all i hear from Kids and some Nu-males in USA/Western europe about climate change and they still don't come with a solution, they just talk shit on social networks , and no, changing the system overnight is not a solution, and the solution to Energy Crisis for example is Nuclear, but plebs are afraid of Nuclear Energy, they only care about muh Solar/Wind.
>>10803320solution is to stop producing unsustainable amounts of animal products for fat idiot humans to eat and get rich from
>>10795485unpopular but true opinion:if you do not have kids, you do not need to give a single fuck about climate change. Live will prevail in some form and who cares about the future of a hostile and self destroying species like humanity, when you will not be around to see it.
>>10803276Nah, hanging. Get everyone together, throw the rope up over something. Clean, resolute, relatively quiet.It's over. Body is carted off. Everyone goes back to their day. If it's too violent or informal the value of the spectacle is lost.>>10803364Keep telling yourself that. 5-10 years kiddo. You'll be feeling the collapse of food production.
>>10795617>I'm too retarded to understand science so I'm going to go on an off-topic rant about Venezuelayikes!>Well one country has reduced its CO2 without even trying and it ain’t VenezuelaOh? Please, do tell. Which country is this anon?
>>10795485>Donald Trump Called Climate Change a Hoax. Now He's Awkwardly Boasting About Fighting ItVladislav Surkov style.
Is the planet getting irreversibly warmer as a result of meat production?If yes, then why the fuck am I being blamed for it, and not the billions upon billions of nonwhites that have been born into existence these past few decades?
>>10804347Gee I wonder
>>10804360See, the billions upon billions of chinese and indians that I'm talking about are consuming much more than I am.
>>10803320nuclear isn't viable in a free market, If you want nuclear you also need to socialize the grid which the GOP will never allow.
>>10804365>leftists protest nuclear because tritium water, nuclear weapons, and muhGaia>would rather promote policies to destroy all planes and plug cow farts>it's the right's fault we didn't adopt nuclear power
>>10804401Name one country that produces significant amounts of nuclear power without state owned power companies, It's not the evil libruls who killed nuclear power in the US it's economics.
>>10804452South Korea.And most power industries are government controlled, nuclear or not. Hell, the power grid is practically a state sponsored monopoly, the same way water utilities are.So yes, the Green Peace hippies who advocated successfully against nuclear power adoption 40 years ago and now occupy positions of power and influence with their boomer policies sci degrees are and continue to be the problem.Especially as they use climate change to push hippie agendas vice actual sokutions and you. Are. Falling. For. It.
>>10804452Except the left actively rejects nuclear so I'm not exactly sure what the fuck you're talking about.
>>10804470South Korea's nuclear industry is state owned sorry. And no a state owned power company is not at all equivalent to the grid in the US. So no my point still stands, nuclear is unprofitable compared to fossil fuels and it's even getting to the point where power companies would rather invest in renewables.
>>10804500The Obama administration was responsible for the first new reactors being built in over 3 decades with billions of dollars in federal loans. It's been such a failure though, if you even bring up investing in nuclear in the US you'll be laughed out of the room.
>>10804571And they do so only increases reliance on fossil fuels.The only reason nuclear is expensive is because of the necessary red tape and compliance to keep it safe.If fossil fuels had to abide by nuclear's radioactive emissions they'd close.We would rather kill 7,000,000 people a year due to air pollution or dump all our cadmium and lead from solar panels into the environment every 20 years than entertain the greater efficiency of nuclear and drive that to zero-externality.
>>10795502Climate change denial is pretty retarded but thanks for rooting out the redditors who can't take a joke.
>>10804579unfortunately due to the dangers of nuclear all that red tape is required. The cost of the Fukushima cleanup exceeds the value of all nuclear power ever generated in Japan.
>>10795824Did you know water vapor is the leading green house factor? Most do not. The hotter the atmosphere the the more water that can be stored before it rains. The storms this past winter in the north of US show increased levels.
>>10804586Agreed.Which is why nuclear power needs sustained support and drive in the industry. Because we have a real chance to remove negative externalities with a robust enough system.Because the repercussions are costly, even if they amount to Jap kabuki theatre and are dwarfed in real lives and human suffering by day to day operations of other sources of power.The issue with nuclear power isn't cost, or effectiveness, or even technology. It is held back, purely by people.
>it wouldn't even be that difficult or economically disruptive to go significantly renewableIt's only disruptive to a few certain companies, who could have and should have invested in renewable energy. Honestly, how can you be an energy company and not have invested in renewable? If they haven't at this point, they should be left in the dust.
>>10804639Except for having to install several times Global demand in capacity factor in order to make up for latency, and invest in large and expensive energy storage requiring several times the resources earth has to build.Just so we can dump lead and cadmium in the environment and drive birds and bats to extinction with more expensive energy.
The core of the issue is the current and increasing populations of India and China, aswell as the U.S top dog position in the world. With much lower population numbers, sustainability would be easily within reach with so called renewable green energy.
>>10804646>Except for having to install several times Global demand in capacity factor in order to make up for latency, and invest in large and expensive energy storage requiring several times the resources earth has to build.Still more attractive to power companies and private investors than nuclear, and not having the resources to build enough storage is an outright fabrication>lead and cadmium a non issue, in non third world shitholes, the US figured out how to avoid this in the 50s>MUH BIRBS D: D: DD;;;;;;;;power lines, cars, windows, and domestic cats kill far more birds I guess we should stop making more of those first.