Is climate change real or is it just a zionist globalism conspiracy?
>>10647341>>10647350And now go back to (((((that place)))))
It's real. Go back to /pol/
>>10647341It's real, corporations and (they) are the very ones trying to claim it's a hoax
>>10647341It's real and it's happening alarming fast.Take the politics out of it, we're all responsible.Our future is going to be a much different world and we shouldn't feel ashamed or that we're the fist organism to alter the biosphere.Things are going to change and many will die but man will adapt, learn and soldier on.The Earth doesn't give a fuck, it'll start a new project if we die out.
>>10647573I hope for a mass extinction. I would love to see the deniers get btfo
No doubts that climate change is real. As for global warming, well...
>>10647586Found the newfagProtip: the poster count is at the bottom
Order 15,000 nuclear reactors, problem solved.
>>10647610Not the samefag and maybe about a year old with an IPad. I can't find it. Help me Anon.
Yes it's real. But that doesn't mean it's going to be a genuine threat for humanity. It's going to be a century or two before it'll impact daily human life which is a long time to develop technological solutions to the problem.We could solve it today by switching to a 100% nuclear power source if we wanted. We don't do that because we don't like it but if the problem ever gets bad enough we'll be forced to so that means we already have a "Plan B" if everything else fails.In the meantime people will try to cut consumption and "green energy" like solar and wind. Maybe they'll even succeed, most likely not but since we have a Plan B it doesn't matter.If worst comes to shove we could put sulfates in the atmosphere which acts as a mirror that reflects a large % of sunlight away which would rapidly cool down the planet. It would be very radical and expensive but it's a last ditch solution that could give us some extra decades to fix the problem if we ever needed to.All-in-all humanity is going to be fine since the solutions I outlined above is what we can do with current technology. Who knows what we can do in 100-200 years time when it becomes a legitimate problem (If cutting consumption and green energy didn't work out which is 95% chance)
>>10647634Right below the "update" and "auto" buttons. I think you can move it to the top with the site's settings too
>>10647603While it's changing 'overnight' on historic scale it's still very slow.There wont be any deniers by the time the climate becomes hostile. All of that generation will be long dead.Have some faith in human adaptability and realize that it's impossible for any super successful species to not change it's climate.
>>10647662But anon you aren't taking DA JOOZ (tm) into account in that picture so you are wrong!
>>10647341Climate change is real and has always happened. Weather humans are causing it is debatable.The Zionist gloablsims blah blah blah is the actions that certain people want to take.
>>106475654chan is /pol/
>>10647571>>10647565>>10647573and yet you can't post a shred of evidence to prove that humans are causing "global warming".
>>10647670>>10647662>>10647603>>10647658Why do you alarmist idiots just post memes and insults and cry about the "science is settled" when facts don't back up your nonsense?
>>10647670>DA JOOZwow what a reddit thing to say.
>>10647675>when facts don't back up your nonsensefuck off idiot
>>10647678nice argument. You're a typical alarmist.
>>10647341I looked up at some local weatherstations temperature in my native language, in a country where the jewish population is very low. Using three different countries with data starting from about 1910-now, there was a 0.5-1 degree increase in temperature. It's stable/decreasing up until about 1960 where it peaks, then it peaks and starts climbing sort of hard around 1980. I doubt this data somehow has been fiddled with by some zionist globalists, especially about 100 years ago.
>>10647674>>10647675Nice try with your bait
>>10647679there is no argument. average temps are rising
>>10647658I believe that while humans may survive that many will not, or there will be drastic changes in day to day life
>>10647610>what is proxy?
>>10647657Hmm. Not there. I f'd around in settings and ??. I need to get a real computer. Thanks though.
>>10647341Only anti-science dipshit scum claim global warming is a myth.
>>10647745>Climate change is a myth!It then morphed into>Climate change isn't caused by human activity!Now it's been turned into>Climate change may be caused by human activity but its effects are over exaggerated!Now that all of those have conclusive evidence against them they have gone back to the good ol' "Jews cause it to make more money even though they already control the world and all financial institutions".
>>10647341>zionist globalism conspiracyGTFO
>>10647341Yes. The effectiveness or validity of the policies designed as an intervention is a different question.
>>10647341Climate change is real but it's the sun doing it.
>>10648007Weird how the data is cut off right when solar rradiance starts to plummet...Also radiative forcing from CO2 dwarfs the Sun's variation.
>>10648057weird how solar irradiance can plummet without affecting temperatures
>>10647341>a zionist globalism conspiracyYhis
>>10647662Who stands to benefit from a carbon tax and the creation of a new federal department? Should the government be able to tax you for breathing? Is it feasible that the world governments could lower global temperatures if we give them X amount of dollars? I'm fine with reduce, reuse, recycle but I'm not okay with paying a carbon tax. It just doesn't seem like an alarming issue for as hard as it's being pushed.
>>10647565Based /sci/Up next:>If Global Warming is real, why is it getting colder where I live hurr durr hrr
>>10648199A carbon tax is a market based solution, the goal is to make emissions cost money and let capitalism do its thing and optimize. You can then reinvest the revenue from the tax as needed. Australia for example gave most of it to citizens as rebates to offset the slightly higher energy bills. You could also use it to fund green energy/fusion research. The alternative to a carbon tax is just outlawing fossil fuel power plants and socializing the grid.
>>10647653>going to be a century or two before it'll impact daily human lifeImagine spending your day lying on anonymous image boards
>>10647675This is some pretty retarded bait right here anon. Why don't you actually show us some of these mythical scientists that disagree. Please, post us their research instead of just saying >nuh uh! They don't all agree! It's all just bullshit! It doesn't matter anyways! ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORITY!!!
>>10648181I know understanding more than one variable is very hard for someone like you, but guess what happens when one forcing is strong and goes up while another forcing is weak and goes down.
>>10647341Since Earth has atmosphere there is constantly climate change. There was climate change, there is climate change and there will be climate change. Climate change is normal.Man-made global warming is a man-made hoax.
>>10648199>Who stands to benefit from a carbon tax and the creation of a new federal department?Not having this would probably have been the first time when no one tried gaining profit from someone else's problems.
>>10648394Your ignorance is incredible. Why are you happy to believe lies and refuse to think for yourself?
mods are fags for letting this obvious bait stay up for over half a day
>>10647727>Everything I don't like is a conspiracy>>>/pol/
>>10647341IMO, it's real, but I don't give a fuck anymore.I'm waiting for clathrate deposits to melt and rise temps by 5°C at this point.But then again, I was wrong about peak oil, so there's that.
The new machines like the cars are real, the combustion is real and so, the new particles product of the combustion around the air are there, thats a change atmosphere and this change the climate, my english is so bad
>>10648308>A carbon tax is a market based solution,No it isn't. It is a quasi-market solution that will be gamed by the big corporations and weaponized to crush the small.
>>10648632I agree. The rich always find amazingly creative and clever new ways to pass the added costs of their bloated lifestyles on to those lower on the socioeconomic spectrum. That's how they became rich to begin with.
>>10648642The rich always win, that's just a fact of life, it's why they're rich. That doesn't mean we shouldn't enact policies that will benefit the human race as a whole.
>>10648632create a government that isn't controlled by lobbying and campaign donations if you want to prevent this. The fact of the matter is even an Ancap society will be quickly dominated by the biggest corporations, and this absolutely isn't an argument against a carbon tax.
I can see it right now.Be me in the 2060-70 a an old man.Told you so.Now adapt and be smart.And if there's one thing humans are good about, that's adapting.
>>10648730That's a pretty awesome feel-good non-statement. You are hereby awarded 5 virtue points. Also along those lines, I'm in favor of finding forever-homes for abandoned kittens and puppies.
>>10647341It's real and we're going into what's called a climate "optimum" which has happened twice in the past ten thousand years in which the global temperature spikes by a few degrees and then dips into a mini ice-age. This has happened a lot of times since the last major ice-age and also long before human populations began any kind of major industry or agriculture. Anthropogenic global warming however posits the absolutely objectively false notion that human beings "created" climate change, are the only major driving factor behind climate change, and are capable of ending climate change by the reduction of specifically CO2 production. The first premise is laughable, climate change has existed since the Earth has had a stable environment in which a climate may exist, and climate changes pre-humanity were much more dramatic, the period of time in which humans have walked the earth is notable for it's comparative climate stability. The second has some merit but like CO2 production of water vapor that merit has diminishing returns, the alarmism about CO2 in particular comes from an incorrect assumption that CO2 levels always impact water vapor levels, water vapor being a much stronger greenhouse agent to a point. AGW advocates believe that under all circumstances more CO2 creates more water vapor, eventually leading to a runaway greenhouse effect which can only be reduced by elimination of free CO2, however CO2 in the real world creates less and less water vapor the higher it's concentrations are and at a certain concentration will begin to contribute practically nothing to heat trapping or water vapor production, the same is true for water vapor as when it reaches sufficient concentrations it condenses into ground water or becomes clouds who's high albedo help to reject energy by reflection. I'll continue in another post.
>>10648832>I'll continue in another post.Please, don't bother.
>>10648832Is this the newest lie? What science denial blog can I read about this on?
>>10647341Continuing from >>10648832The final belief, that national or international coalitions of governments are both able and willing to perform the necessary megaprojects to artifically hold Earth's climate in stasis is another fantastical and unsupported one. To actually put a halt to climate shift on the planet we need to artificially manage the energy flowing through this semi-closed system, that means humanity must control the amount of sunlight hitting the Earth, levels of various atmospheric greenhouse gasses, surface area covered by particular environments, etc. It's at least hypothetically possible for us to do this but in practical terms such an effort is a species-wide megaproject which would take centuries and incalculable amounts of wealth in resources to bring to fruition. The plans proposed by all governments are relegated to things like extra taxation, and restriction of conveniences like cars, restrictions on the extraction and use of fossil fuels (while also generally disavowing the use of more efficient methods like nuclear energy). Governments do not seek a solution because they don't care about a solution because all they're doing is using cherrypicked data to justify an expansion of their power structure, more control over people through taxes, more control over industry through regulation.
>>10647341Can we stop the climate change isn't real / caused by humans meme already?
>>10649125It's just /pol/tards doing it. Best thing to do is sage or ignore these kinds of threads.
>>10648832>>10648846the amount of unscientific cope in these posts is hilarious. It makes completely wrong assumptions about glaciations, and the timescales they naturally happen on. It equates shifts over millions of years to ones happening in 100. It's claims about climate sensitivity are completely made up and baseless, and then finishes with a bunch of muh big government r evil retardation. If you were't paid to make this post you need to reevaluate your life.
>>10649142>>10649125>>10649129Back to Eddit dumbfucks, blaming /pol/ is your to-go scapegoat to discredit smart posters like OP.
>>10649142>>10649129>>10649125Butthurt samefag, drinking too much so^y is bad for you.
>>10649152>zionist globalism conspiracy.>not /pol/You have to go back
>>10649156Going to cry because your wall of stupidity was so easy to take apart? Do you need to go back to your safe space?
>>10649162>>10649158>>10649164No I am good, but you must be overflowing with retard tears right now, let me redirect you to reddit.com, they can take care of your needs there.
>>10649168I pity you anon beliefs so weak you can't argue and instead lash out at shadows.
>>10648832>It's real and we're going into what's called a climate "optimum" which has happened twice in the past ten thousand years in which the global temperature spikes by a few degrees and then dips into a mini ice-age.Please show us where you see these spikes in the last 10,000 years. >This has happened a lot of times since the last major ice-age and also long before human populations began any kind of major industry or agriculture.Warming of this rate hasn't occurred in at least the last 600,000 years.>Anthropogenic global warming however posits the absolutely objectively false notion that human beings "created" climate changeNo it doesn't. It just says humans created the current anomalous warming. >are the only major driving factor behind climate changeNo it doesn't. It just says they are the major factor in the current anomalous warming. >and are capable of ending climate change by the reduction of specifically CO2 production.No it doesn't. It just says we are capable of ending the current anomalous warming. >The first premise is laughable, climate change has existed since the Earth has had a stable environment in which a climate may exist, and climate changes pre-humanity were much more dramatic, the period of time in which humans have walked the earth is notable for it's comparative climate stability.Who told you that? The same climatologists you claim are wrong? And if humans have always existed in such a "stable climate" doesn't that tell you you should be worried about leaving that climate?>AGW advocates believe that under all circumstances more CO2 creates more water vapor, eventually leading to a runaway greenhouse effectIncorrect, you're confusing a feedback loop which amplifies the warming from CO2 with a runaway feedback.Could you show proof of climatologists saying any of the things you're saying? No, because you're making it up.
>>10648846>To actually put a halt to climate shift on the planet we need to artificially manage the energy flowing through this semi-closed system, that means humanity must control the amount of sunlight hitting the Earth, levels of various atmospheric greenhouse gasses, surface area covered by particular environments, etc.No it doesn't. This is like saying to control your weight you need to regulate every molecule that enters and leaves your body and every action your muscles and metabolism makes. You don't, you could just eat in moderation and exercise. Similarly, we could just emit less GHGs by instituting a carbon tax and supporting more nuclear and renewables. What exact benefit does regulating GHGs give the government?
>>10649358t. projecting samefag.
it's real bro...the earth's climate has been static for millions of years until 1950
>>10649553The only people who say this are retarded deniers making up a strawman.
>>10649596uh huh, and the people who say this are godless scum without any roots, floating like shit in the garbage stream that is the modern world, constantly seeking the next new thing that gives their life meaning and a sense of moral righteousness and belonging.
>>10649553>>10649596it actually has been fairly static, there's been a fairly regular cycle of glaciations and interglacial periods for the past million years or so. Primarily caused by Milankovitch cycles, but absolutely nothing comparable to the rate of change we've seen in the past 100 years.
man-caused climate change is the height of human hubris and solipsism, as if you are so important that now, just in the last few decades, man has suddenly started to affect the cosmos with the car he drives and farts he lets out.
>>10649664Thinking climate change can't happen because god won't let it is at least more rational than any other denier arguments I've seen.
>>10649666that's not the definition of static ?
>>10649668what's your explanation for atmospheric CO2 staying at about 280PPM for the past 3 million years and jumping to 415PPM in under 100 years? Please also explain why the ratio of carbon isotopes in this atmospheric CO2 exactly matches that of burned fossil fuels.
>>10649668Too bad it's not based on the assumption that human's beings are "important" but on physics, chemistry, and empirical data.
>>10649675the stupidest asshole in the world can make up some bullshit question that the smartest person can't answer. fucking zoomer fag, you don't have perspective, you don't have a sense of history, you have no roots, you think the peak of humanity was the 1970s hippy culture and wish to drive a vw van around all dayyou don't grasp the scope and size of the climate, and you value yourself way, way too much. the truth is that you're insignificant shit and it doesn't matter if you drive a prius or a dodge ram hemi
>>10649671I would argue a sine wave is static because it doesn't change and each cycle is a repeat of itself, that's just semantics though and not really important.
>>10649680That doesn't seem like an explanation just personal attacks. It would seem like you have no arguments so I guess we're done here.
>>10649678what is physics, chemistry and 'empirical data', other than man-made creations that only look at a tiny fraction of the entire scope of life on earth, it's like taking a tiny little slice of the pie and drawing conclusions from it because that little slice happens to have a very complex latice structure and a lot of nice texture and fillings. that's great for the slice, but it says fuck you to the scheme of things.
>>10649684taking numbers from some ny times articles isn't an argument, it's reflecting modern solipsism
>>10649691peer reviewed scientific studies but you wouldn't know anything about that.
>>10649694i know enough about free markets to know that 'peer reviewed "scientific" studies' are a part of an industry, like any other industry.
There's no evidence guys, trust me, I've seen some /pol/ infographs
>>10649687>what is physics, chemistry and 'empirical data', other than man-made creations that only look at a tiny fraction of the entire scope of life on earthThat's wrong though. The greenhouse effect is directly observed via radiative spectroscopy. That has nothing to do with looking at life. The fact that humans are responsible for the change in CO2 is causing the greenhouse can be seen by looking at the carbon isotope ratios in the air. Fossil fuel emissions have a different isotopic signature than plants and animals. So you don't have to look at the entire scope of life, you can just look directly at the results. This is how science works, we figure out smart ways to determine simple things about complex systems.
>>10649697You don't know anything and your substantive claims are objectively false.
>>10649713i can just as easily start spewing shit like you, for example: co2 levels follow temperature, they don't precede it. wow so smart
>>10649716oh it's false that science is an industry? that universities are an industry?just because i call something Good and Honest and Objective, doesn't actually make it so. Shit is shit regardless of name.
>>10649724>i can just as easily start spewing shit like you, for example: co2 levels follow temperature, they don't precede it. wow so smartBut you'd be wrong, again.Is your argument really "I can say things therefore argument is pointless?" Because that's a self-defeating argument.>oh it's false that science is an industry? that universities are an industry?Yes?>just because i call something Good and Honest and Objective, doesn't actually make it so.And just because you call it not, doesn't actually make it so. Prove it or fuck off.
>>10649724I'm still waiting for proof of any of your claims, it shouldn't be too hard if they're actually true.
the truth is that we don't know anything about the world, despite our highly specific 'science'...the difference is that one side claims it is the truth and nothing but the truth, and the other side is always on the defensive because its livelihood and nations are being destroyed by the other side. an honest man says, i don't know if man is causing it, a soviet/climatechangefag says 'i am the absolute truth, nothing else can be truth but me'
>>10649905>the truth is that we don't know anything about the world, despite our highly specific 'science'...How do you know that?
>>10649905Why are you on the science board if you are just going to completely ignore its arguments and data and instead cry "can't no nuffin" over and over again? Don't you have a containment board to go back to?
>>10649905Just because you've given up on understanding anything not explained by a 2000 year old storybook doesn't mean the rest of the world has.
imagine shilling for elite interests and not even realizing it
>>10650037How's the katana collection coming along?
>>10650047GOP propaganda really is something
>>10650050Great comeback I hope can delay your inevitable existential crisis should you ever think for yourself for a moment
>>10648593>peak oilthat has always been nutter shitglobal warming is real science
>>10650075yea, until the next thing is the REAL science (tm)you fancy yourselves scientists but you can't see the forest for the trees.in some different situations, they say follow the money.similar, in this case, follow who is being squeezed by climate science and who is set to thrive, and then realize that climate change is about everything but actual science.
>>10650075Oil is a finite resource and eventually more energy will be required to extract it than can be gained from burning it. There's nothing nutter about that, but predicting exactly when it will occur is almost impossible due to evolving extraction technology and non linear demand.
>>10647772Not only that but the narrative changed from "global warming" to "climate change"
>>10650089once again your own ignorance is not an argument against anything.
>>10650103This was due to the general public's confusion due due to climate and weather. Climate change and AGW are one and the same but it was renamed mainly because AGW doesn't mean uniform higher temperatures everywhere simultaneously.
>>10650094the nutter part is the language they useit is like fearing that the sun will run out of fuel, irrelevant at best
>>10650108neither is your sheltered solipsism and richfag comfort, never had a days work in your life i bet.
>>10650103global warming, climate change, global cooling, save the whales....look around, look around.....look around.....what is it? post-1950 substitutes for where religion and family used to sit.
>>10650121once again resorting to personal attacks because you're incapable of arguing for your own position. Not surprising when you have to dance around the truth like a ballerina in a mine field.
>>10650122Yes in general truth about real issues capable of harming people and the world have replaced convenient stories meant for social control. Not a loss I think.
>>10650134so have you ever worked a day in your life? other than what your parents network got you, or your dad's company
>>10650139yup, no social control involved in REAL Climate Science(Tm) at all!
>>10650142Sure I was raised on a farm in rural Nebraska, joined the Marines when I was 18. Served 4 years in the infantry and now I'm pursuing my bachelors. How is this relevant again?
>>10650089Did /pol/ kick you out because of the Reddit spacing?
>>10650148then you'll come around bud..i think it's the shit they're feeding you at that bachelors program.
>>10650089Why are you on the science board if you are just going to completely ignore its arguments and data and instead cry "can't no nuffin" over and over again? Don't you have a containment board to go back to?
>>10650159imagine realizing i've been debating basically a kid instead of focusing on my work all night, /end my participation in this thread.
>>10650166Thank god I don't have to listen to you masturbate over your own ignorance anymore.
>>10650159I used to believe that AGW was exaggerated, then I got tired of being ignorant and researched both sides to make up my own mind. What I found was on one side serious science with facts and figures and logical constancy, and the others frantically arguing from ignorance and cherrypicked data. I changed my mind pretty quickly.
>>10648380>implying climate models use more than 1 variable
>>10649905>the difference is that one side claims it is the truth and nothing but the truth, and the other side is always on the defensive because its livelihood and nations are being destroyed by the other side. >>an honest man says, i don't know if man is causing it, a soviet/climatechangefag says 'i am the absolute truth, nothing else can be truth but me'this is why religion caused so much suffering in the past? It's really just simple people with peanut sized brains making noise. Intelligent people understand how little we know while stupid ones shout the loudest about what they think they know.Vermin, cockroaches, a virus on the face of the planet. Humans do not create, we destroy, destroy, destroy. Check the side of the road as you travel from one place to the next. Count how many creatures we have "created". Every animal on the planet has a job, a task, a niche. What is ours? What is our job? What vital function would not be performed if we were missing? Idiots. Hubris at its finest. Good luck being worthless. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. We are all only ash and dust.
>>10650643i was with you until the vermin part.we're not perfect, but i think we should be exalted like every other form of life, we're pretty special and i love humans. just because i call someone a retard, even if they really are a retard, doesn't mean i want harm to come to them.
>>10647662We're not crashing the global economy, only the West. China will always however they please, and we're enabling them shrinking our own economies while importing from them.We should take care of the planet but the currently proposed solutions by our governments and stuff like carbon credits is pure dystopian retardation and serves a very different purpose than protecting Earth.If we're serious we need to stop economic growth, have sustainable societies and get rid of debt and interest that practically force us to grow. Slow down global trade except for the necessities, and tax consumption more severely, stop giving any aid to Africa. Of course big corporations aren't interested in any of that, and they control our governments.
>>10647687That's not where the issues lie. Climate change is real and has been as long as Earth exists. The question at hand is the reasons and wether we can predict and influence it.
>>10647693Ever since Hortler gassed the Joos. Lack of Joos leads to global warming. Science settled
>>10647674>you can't post a shred of evidence
>>10647341The question is never wether climate change is real. It is wether it's anthropogenic. You can SEE climate change if you look at glaciers etc. And if you want to ignore it you can read up on a couple TB of data collected over the past 30 years that are hard evidence for an increase in avg T. Wether it is man-made or not is the debate and most independent research points towards it. Of course the people that profit from the main factors contributing to it (coal mines/meat industry/yadda yadda) are paying politicians and scientists to spread vague contradicting information.If lobbyism wouldn't exist, this debate wouldn't too.
>>10650910>Whether it is man-made or not is the debateNo it's not.We can directly measure the impact of human activity on the composition of the atmosphere, and how that has changed the amount (and spectrum) of downward IR arriving at the surface. That's not a debate, that's a figurative smoking gun.https://sci-hub tw/https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ef200914uhttps://ams.confex com/ams/Annual2006/techprogram/paper_100737.htm
>>10651009Science developed by (((mankind))). It is therefore flawed. Only God's word is absolute. The bible doesn't talk about global warming, hence its a hoax
>>10651111Bibeldeniers are the worst
>>10651111You have to admit it's a better argument than anything else deniers can come up with
>>10647674>>10647603>>10647586>>10647675kill yourselves and your families you degenerate cunts.
>>10651107>using ((())) while literally worshiping a middle eastern Jew