https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/2185225/perceived-anti-china-bias-and-dearth-jobs-have-chinese-scienceThey can’t find jobs in the US or in China. What went wrong?
>>10373933>They can’t find jobs in the US or in China. What went wrong?Everyone knows international Chinese students cheat like mad and their degrees aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Universities only let them in for the money.
>>10373941Funny you say that. U of Illinois actually has an insurance plan where they automatically get millions if the foriegn student population were to take an even bigger diphttps://www.chicagobusiness.com/education/why-u-i-insuring-itself-literally-against-drop-chinese-students
>>10373941Their degrees are negative value because not only do they cost a lab/organization money by bringing on someone who cheated their way in, but also is unable to think outside the box and push research forward, they prevent someone more capable from taking that position where they would have made a meaningful contribution.
>>10373933>Most tech companies like Microsoft say that the loss of Chinese talent due to them not finding jobs will doom the USIf most if these companies are saying it, yet they can't find jobs, then doesn't that mean that there either arnt enough jobs, or they themselves arnt hiring them?
>>10374059companies say this shit all the time because they want to be able to dump wages and also have more choice
>>10373933>google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/newsAMP was a mistake.
>>10374062It's working, the CS bubble is rapidly popping
>>10373933Who is that semen demon?
>>10374177Does this include webdevs ? I swear the mean was AVG for them was higher in my country (China(Australia))
>>10374247*the average was higher
>>10373941100% true at least for Germany
What techniques do they use to cheat? Most of them barely speak a word of English so it's a wonder how they could even follow along with the material
>>10374299memorize to blindly reproduce 1 to 1
Speaking of china uni n degree. What /sci think of this math degree they offer in my country . Consider pure, God tier Math course ?
>>10374299There are plenty of methods, one that's common is to pay some other chinese student to take the test. Given a class of 50+, who would be able to remember a particular chinese student's faces? It works fine since most instructors did not grow up with chinese friends or co-workers to distinguish between faces. Its the same phenomena when a black person says "all ya'll whities look alike" or when a white persons says "all ya'll nigger looks alike." Its fundamentally a problem of exposure or data. This is a problem machine learning deals with, so if classrooms had machine learning cameras to detect attendance, that sort of cheating would be solved.
>>10374314whoever drew that still seems pretty hooked on a eurocentric vision of beauty lol
>>10374318Real Analysis as an Elective for a Pure Maths degree???
>>10374070East Asians are the master race. They have higher IQ than whites and they hate nigger subhumans.
>>10374334Probably a second course on analysis>>10374318Which uni is this?
>>10374335Eurocentric in British(ˌjʊərəʊˈsɛntrJk )adjectivechiefly concerned with or concentrating on Europe and European culturesorry for if the correct usage of a buzzword triggered you
>>10374348I don't see any basic analysis course in the Major Core Course list. Complex Analysis is usually taken after Real Analysis.
>>10374350>chiefly concerned with or concentrating on Europe and European cultureWhat is European in the pic? Beauty is European now? This is very racist.
>>10374350Are you suggesting that only Europeans can be beautiful?
>>10373941Lol this. I spent a semester at the university of Melbourne and among other scams the chink students got caught paying a chink staff member to change the grades of their exams after they had been marked but before they had been put into the computer system.
>>10374363Im not sure about how they do it in the west, but here pretty much is like this. Huge leap n gap.
Stop stealing IP.It's good quality in China, but it's bad reputation everywhere else.
Bump. Chinks are based.
>>10374299For the most part, they're at a disadvantage when compared to the local population especially when dealing with the language barrier. For dumb essay writing, I could see where they could cheat by creating essay writing jobs in the local economy. Essay writing is mostly an entire waste of time anyways. For upper division and graduate math and statistics classes, I don't know how you could cheat even if you wanted to.
>>10374026What? An intelligent post on /sci/, damn.Exactly what this anon says. The cost of something is always its opportunity cost.
>>10374355>>10374357Just pointing out that the asians(?) in that drawing are have 'beautiful' European features. Kinda funny, kinda sad.
>>10374565Anime is eurocentric then.
>>10374565You are literally saying that beauty is European.
>>10374565Or is that just your own subconscious association of all that is beautiful with the word 'Europe'?
>>10374611You said beautiful facial features are Eurocentric.
>>10374614No I didn't, I'm not >>10374332. All races have beautiful and ugly people.
>>10374059>being illiterateMicrosoft didn't say that, the student said it then said Microsoft said it as well.He's full of shit basically.
>>10374750I was trying to say what they guy said didn't make sense, either he or the companies are full of shit, rereading my post that wasn't very clear.
>>10374335What's wrong with Onions?
>>10374670>All races have beautiful and ugly people.Tell that to /int/.
>>10374670>>10374976I bet it would blow their minds.
>>10373933WWYDIAVAQPSOUBwhat would you do if a virgin asian qt pie sucked on your Benis
>>10374355>>10374357>>10374608>>10374611>hurf blurf you're the real racist durf purfjesus you people are as retarded as you are racist. And because you're all incredibly retarded, I'll spell it out for you: you have missed the point entirely and shown how goddamned racist you are.Different cultures have different standards of beauty. They find different qualities attractive and play up those qualities in their art. The picture in question has everyone with very typically "pretty" features, as far as europeans are concerned. If you got a south asian or african or mexican to draw it, the "pretty people" would look a lot different.
>>10373933Good riddance to bad rubbish.
>>10374059No, Microsoft means they'll go home and take US company secrets back home with them.
>>10374341I for one welcome the emergence of the Chinese Dragon and its increasing power and might. Burgers have been the most inhumane, short sighted, barbaric, and narcissistic dominant power in the history of mankind. No one has treated the earth with such lack of compassion and no one has contributed as much to the worsening of the future of humanity than the burgers. The average amerifag has no interest about the higher things in life. They all cling to freedom without knowing that this narcissistic obsession over one's individual rights or identity is contributing to the degradation of communities and by extension to the degradation of the earth. They are all obsessed over controlling their fellow man and they have zero interest in beauty, knowledge, and culture. American cities are some of the ugliest in the world and americans themselves are obese and indolent. American "culture" celebrates violence, selfishness, and depravity. The pursuit of happiness has lead to a society that eschews self-discipline and compassion. Americans are gangsters at heart, taking advantage of everyone, even their fellow countrymen whether through crime or through exploitation. With this obsession over their own egos they have unknowingly ushered in their downfall and the rise of the Chinese dragon. Yes, the arrival of Chinese dominance cannot come soon enough. The future is looking bright.
>>10373946Holy shit that call it a "trade war" these Americans sensationalise everything
>>10376464You don't understand America. The reason America became the greatest power in human history and harbored so much technological and scientific development is because of its spirit of individual freedom. China is a country which literally censors the information available to its 'fellow man' and decides how many children he can have, or what he can and cannot say. Of course some men choose to bad with the freedom given, and in the last 100 years we have seen the US co-opted by foreign entities with malicious intents. Your hatred blinds your reason; it is not simply because americans are "gangsters at heart" that they technologically, scientifically, and industrially dominated the world and human progress while China sat around jerking itself off. It is because of the spirit of the individual within each respective country.
>>10374334At some places, "Real Analysis" means "Measure Theory" and basic real analysis is taught in an earlier core class with a different name. In that chart, it's probably the "mathematical analysis" class.
>>10375980>Different cultures have different standards of beauty.Not as much as you think, most cultures agree on what is beautiful although some things can obviously be different like clothing.
>>10374334real analysis is pleb tier trash; overrated in its applications and of little insight
>>10374460to most people and universities, mathematics consists only of things already made obsolete by computers; memorization and applying given rules.if that is mathematics, we may expect chinks to do well; even if still worse than a computer without any pretenses to a soul.however, it isnt. mathematics, at a level where shit actually gets interesting, is about finding new axioms, or new types of arguments.
>“If most of the Chinese talent is expelled, the US is doomed, without a doubt,” said a master’s student in information systems at the University of Florida, who asked not to be identified.holy shit, lol. Are chinks really this deluded? Especially one that is going to a c-list university?
>>10376464>Yes, the arrival of Chinese dominance cannot come soon enough. The future is looking bright.say what you want about burgers.. there is little to look forward to in the chinese century. the only solace in the chinese century is that at least they wont stand for letting human development slide back into the african century; but will happily recycle them back into biomass so they have more room to mine for chinesium.
>>10376912UF is B list
>>10376464You clearly don't know a thing about China. China is a hivemind, like jews but on a whole other magnitude. Just observe them in their natural habitat and you'll understand.
>>10375980You are wrong. The basic standards of beauty are pretty standard across the cultures.
>>10376483>China is a country which literally censors the information available to its 'fellow man' and decides (...) what he can and cannot say. So it is like Germany, Sweden and UK?
I have a question for the stormfags.>we shouldn't mix with niggers and shitskins because they're low IQ and violent.>we shouldn't mix with East Asians because _____________?
>>10377526Those countries have free speech problems for sure but it's nowhere near what goes on with China.
american universities are starting to lose their prestige among foreigners. I read an article that many Africans are starting to go to Chinese universities instead of american.I think the chickens are finally coming home to roost and universties are about to get btfo
>>10377535east asians are all smoke and mirrors. The only things they are good at is rote memorization and cheating.They think they have everyone fooled but white men are always ten steps ahead of you chumps
>>10377535They're too cute.
>>10375980> muh tabula rasaNever post on this board again.
>>10377549Typical stormfag answer. If Whites were so smart as they claim, they would not be puppets of the Jews.
>>10377557The jew is the only worthy opponent of the white man
>>10377569They are your masters and you know it. Whites are a slave race nowadays.
>>10377549By the looks of Japanese mathematics they're plenty capable of abstract reasoning on their own.Also what about Jews ? Since they control the white man shouldn't people try to bredd with them ? Remember it's kosher as long as the mother is jewish, so it's even consistent with the /po/ idea that what matters is the ethnicity of the male.
>>10374358I study there and haven't heard of that, source?
Say hello to dumb immigrants.Say goodbye to smart ones.
>>10374502What? A /poo/ leaked out from his containment board. Go back to /biz/ or /pol/ with your piss poor economic metaphor.
>>10377543>>10376483Wrong. The cultural causes of the high level equilibrium trap and detrimental effects of internal political warring and isolationism were what killed Chinese preeminence compared to the West. Constant competition on pain of death or otherwise is good, it forces overly corrupted or stagnant systems to fall when outpaced by rivals.
>>10376464If anything, it will force people who like freedom to either fix their country or let their ideals fall to the test of time and real world geopolitics. >>10376916At least they aren't pussies in Africa. Euros let them obtain self-governance and they've made negative progress to civilization while sitting on top of valuable land and resources. >>10377282Are you functionally retarded? The Taiwanese are composed of a significant gene pool from Mainland China and they don't have a "hive mind" like you speak of. Not to mention South Korea and Japan as well.
>>10377569https://www.nber.org/papers/w19962>Historical accounts suggest that Jewish émigrés from Nazi Germany revolutionized U.S. science. Toanalyze the émigrés’ effects on chemical innovation in the U.S. we compare changes in patenting byU.S. inventors in research fields of émigrés with fields of other German chemists. Patenting by U.S.inventors increased by 31 percent in émigré fields. Regressions that instrument for émigré fields withpre-1933 fields of dismissed German chemists confirm a substantial increase in U.S. invention. Inventorlevel data indicate that émigrés encouraged innovation by attracting new researchers to their fields,rather than by increasing the productivity of incumbent inventors.
>>10376464Wrong about China, the circumstances of their economic growth won't be present any longer. The one-child policy will lead to the elderly outnumbering the younger generation by minimum 2 to 1. Which will mean their economy will implode on itself and it's standing army will be impotent.You're right about America though.>>10376483America became the dominant power because after world war II Europe was in shambles and America enjoyed the premier position of getting to supply all the raw materials for their rebuilding. That and the fact that we have a large landmass or arable land, abundant natural resources, and the third highest population of any country. We leveraged this economics to also scoop up the best scientific mindset and engineering talent. It has little to do with ideology other than economic idealogy.
>>10373933Rats from a sinking ship
>>10373933Daily reminder that white Western European thugs forced mass opium trade on China at gunpoint, in the name of "free trade" (even though opium was illegal in their own countries), creating a national opium crisis that took China nearly a century to recover from.Now the white dog will assume his rightful place beneath the middle kingdom. And not a moment too soon.
>>10374318>complex analysis = core>real analysis = required
>>10379078>muh victimsLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. We know you will eat the heart of a baby to rise your social score, jing peing chong. At leas the japanese can be considered humans, but you, you're lower than an animal.
>>10379078Why do the Chinese hate dogs so much? You're almost as bad as muslims with this.
>>10376889>backbone of PDE, approximation theory and calc of variations, etc etc etc>pleb tierNegro, please.
>>10374299The most common method of cheating I've seen is huddling up next to the other Chinese students and whispering too each other. This method works extremely well in large lectures and it's amazing how quietly that they're able to speak to one another. The other method I've seen quite a few use is recording notes and example problems into calculators. While the effectiveness of this cheating is probably questionable at times, it undoubtedly lets them move through deg(ree) programs.
>>10378963You didn't address me point at all. China has very significantly less free speech than the counties you mentioned.
>>10379078>implying there were no problems in China before the opium wars>implying there were no problems after the Commies took control>implying China isn't rapidly headed back into another dark winterKek
>>10374299They mostly don't since it costs so much to come here their parents are usually smarter than the parents of the average classmate.
>>10374341>China>Pic is of japan>Speaks of east asianslul wut
>>10374299Pay someone else to take their examsSteal old examsSpeaker and camera
>>10379389i've seen professors separate asian looking students so they can't talk to each other in their own language; assuming we can speak to each other through telepathy. i'm half asian but look full asian, and i was told i had move from a random asian person i didn't know. btw, i only know how to speak engrish. occome's razor says if you hear people talking in a language other than english it's most likely they are plotting against you or cheating.
>>10380336Mao was just practicing eugenics
>>10380336>implying there were no problems in China before the opium warsi see, so that makes it ok to roll in and force opium on them at gunpoint. explain why you are any better than a thug nigger
>>10380928It was making the bums productive. We did the same to the Negros.
>>10380941Why are you proud of crimes against humanity?
>>10380939buck tooth bing bong detected
>>10380941>productive>laying around in opium dens all daychoose one and only one thug nigger
>>10381770stinking aryan inbreds vs godlike CRISPR ubermensch, gee i wonder how this one's going to end.
>>10379078Sounds like Chinkomons can't think or be responsible for them self. Nice blame game you got going
>>10376464This is the most laughably ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can't wait to see how your great empire of chinesium and mei ban fa saves the world. What are they gonna do, drop empty apartment complexes on the US?
>>10376464Thanks for the laff, but you want to talk about inhumane in the same paragraph where you are hailing China? Lmao. The Chinese are repulsive insects.
>>10374247What is this image trying to say?
>>10376889It's the foundation needed to learn actually useful math. Brainlets will never understand delayed gratification.
>>10374318>Algebra and Analytic Geometry Is that precalculus or a modern geometry class?
>>10376464>have been the most inhumane, short sighted, barbaric, and narcissisticWhat are the Chinese people?>they have zero interest in beauty, knowledge, and cultureWasn't that outlawed in the Cultural Revolution :^)All those artists, professors, and cultural practices killed off by Mao...>American cities are some of the ugliest in the world What about all those fake empty cities that can house China's whole population many times over? They start falling apart within a couple of years.>taking advantage of everyone, even their fellow countrymen whether through crime or through exploitationLike selling outright fraudulent goods on aliexpress...
>>10377585Jews want to destroy all Whites. They are flooding all White countries with violent low-IQ nigger subhumans.
>>10383997Blah blah blah
>>10383997But not Based China. : )
>>10381793>Sounds like Chinkomons can't think or be responsible for them self.They did take responsibility. The Chinese government demanded white men stop pushing ultra-addictive drugs on their people.But they couldn't beat the british thugs' weaponry, lost a war, so the opium continued to stream into their country>blame gameIt's just history. kudos on having had the best guns for a while but in the end your brains are still inferior. And this thread is yet another discussion of how China always rises to the top while, in an ironic twist of fate, opioids ravage the USA with 70k deaths just last year (guess claps can't think or take responsibility for themselves eh?)
>>10384344China only is rising in peer-reviewed articles because whoever wrote the article probably stole intellectual property. The reason why the EU went down in peer-reviewed articles is because China steals their intellectual property. Chinese can't think outside the box all they do is memorize.
>>10384394>Stole our intellectual propertyNo such thing as intellectual property.It's the biggest meme ever. You created it to try and keep knowledge from the more deserving Chinese man.All knowledge is for everyone.
>>10384407>All knowledge is for everyone.Not when they steal and cheat that knowledge. Knowledge is only for the privileged who deserve it and it's best kept in their inner circle and away from communist countries.
>>10384420Knowledge belongs to everyone white boy. Hoarding it is a sin. Long live china.
>>10373941>>10374358>>10374299It's not the Chinese's fault you couldn't get into college. Maybe you should try the most effective cheating method, actually studying instead of making shit up, you fucking retards.
>>10384447So the retarded pro-cs freshman is also a chink. No wonder he needs dat 100k starting to compensate....
>>10384460chink females are good to have sex with, chink males are disgusting and should be deported back to china. chink females agree with this.
>>10384486Because she's fucking Tyrone on the side. Enjoy being a literal cuck ATM.
>>10384501>Because she's fucking Tyrone on the side. Enjoy being a literal cuck ATM.you're jealous that you can't make hapa babies. no asian females want to be with someone who can't make hapas. shrimp dick
>>10373933Everyone knows the jobs in academia are scarce. Their downfall is their socially awkward personalities. It doesn't fly well in industry where you need to be fluent in English and be able to work in teams. They also tend to not have original research ideas and just do as they are told. They can probably find jobs as technicians if they just became fluent in English. But they rather talk solely in Chinese amongst one another and don't integrate well.
>>10379389this is what they do at my uni. the admin gets so much money from wealthy chinese kids that they encourage the professors not to break it upreally sad
>>10384560>they encourage the professors not to break it up>really sadthey shouldn't be able to speak chinese in universities it's for their own good.
>>10384560i'm sorry you go to a community college.
>>10384580>i'mI'm sorry you're imaginary.
>>10383255It's probably classical algebraic geometry (i.e. no schemes). Similar to "college algebra" but more advanced and incorporating a lot of linear algebra and some basoc abstract algebra.
>>10384420>Knowledge is only for the privileged who deserveSure. But soon you will be replaced by low-IQ niggers. The Chinese and Japanese will be the only ones capable of developing Science in the future.
>>10374299In higher level math courses (where you can't cheat because there are 10 people in a small room and the prof knows everybody) they don't so much cheat as just memorize everything they're told could possibly be on the test.If you ever look at (or grade) their exams for these courses you will only ever see a perfect, almost word-for-word copy of the official solution (the case where they remembered the problem) or a page which is usually blank or occasionally some garbled nonsense that doesn't even pass as English (they didn't remember the solution). Never anything in between: they will never get most of the solution but miss a step, or have a halfway solution with the right idea in it. It's 100% or 0%.The funniest thing about this is that the ones with poor English skills often don't even have any idea what any of their 10/10 mark answer even means.
>>10384637Japanese people are gonna import cheap paki and pajeet labour soon when the aging burden on the economy is high
>>10384983No. They are going to use robots instead.
>>10384990Robots are coming slower than you think.
>>10385230It is better to wait than to import low-IQ violent shitskins.
>>10385237Luckily you aren't anybody making decisions around here poltard. That's your own low IQ btw. Rednecks are known to be retards.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46492216
>>10385244instead of sucking up subjective sources made to placate and keep you complacent in your role in a large chess game you don't even have the IQ to understand, why not at recorded human history to see the "redneck"'s point manifest? there's a reason browns were kept in cages and on leashes - they weren't able to behave properly otherwise
>>10385244>continent of people easily conquered by boy scout expeditionary forces from Europe and had to be lifted out of cannibalism and unending small time tribal conflict is up to the same par and intelligence as those who subjugated them easilyThat's a tall order. Say, I'll give you a chance to speak if you can find 1 (one) African-majority nation on this planet with a population over 5 million and a 1st world, prosperous HDI (over 0.8). Every other race has at least 1 example of that.
>>10385496Botswana?Btw if there's one thing blacks have accomplished it's keeping idiots like you busy thinking about them every day. They don't think about you at all. Just imagine that.
>>10385467Did you know most slave owners were Jewish?And yet hundreds of thousands of whites died in the American civil war for them?The Jews got away with it and you bled and died for them. You even do it today.Btw rednecks are the biggest supporters of Israel. It's in your blood to fight for the Jews. Most us army propaganda is to recruit you guys.
>>10376869It's always been like this in here.
>>10377569>Italy, Switzerland, Germany and France are northern EuropeDumb pic.>"generally agreed" by whom, males born in that area?
>>10385505>BotswanaShithole full of HIV-infected niggers
>>10385568Look at thishttps://tradingeconomics.com/china/gdp-per-capita-pppAnd thishttps://tradingeconomics.com/botswana/gdp-per-capita-pppBotswana is literally richer than china by gdp per capita purchasing power.Imagine that.Niggers richer than your precious chinks by 500 dollars on average per person.Lmao get rekt
>>10384344It's been proven that most of those Chinese publications are garbage
>>10385467Maybe they had a hard time behaving because of the whole being enslaved against their will thing?Not everyone is a natural born cuck like you, Cletus.
>>10385576Billions and billions of foreign aid. Without white help these low-IQ niggers would be all living in mudhuts.
>>10385510Why were southern whites so willing to die for the lifestyle of Jews?There's a hole in your theory.
>>10385616The south is actually entirely Jewish, they just hide it by being Christians with no Jewish ancestry instead.
>>10377546>I read an article that many Africans are starting to go to Chinese universities instead of american.Hasn't this always been the case? The vast majority of foreign students in Chinese universities are from Africa
>>10385645>The south is actually entirely Jewish, they just hide it by being Christians with no Jewish ancestry instead.>>10385510>Did you know most slave owners were Jewish?sources please, if they aren't completely censored.i study white supremacy and i think i know where it manifests from. many of us blacks are realizing the truth. i'll just leave it at that.
>>10385510>Did you know most slave owners were Jewish?I always read this. I also would like sources.
>>10385510Buddy, I'm way ahead of you. That you couldn't gleam that from my mention of a chess game above your head is a strong indicator you have a low IQ as I predicted.
>>10373941>>10374026>>10374358lol seething whites
>>10384344>(guess claps can't think or take responsibility for themselves eh?)Claps will actually deal with their opioid crisis instead of impotently complaining about mean foreigners a century later.
>>10385737>Claps will actually deal with their opioid crisis instead of impotently complaining about mean foreigners a century later.that's why they execute drug addicts
>>10376464Excellent critique, I pray the Chinaman is wise and merciful.
>>10374062This. I am an exec at a large American software company. We fucking love cheap coders. It sucks. I went into Marketing because Engineering is a race to the bottom.
>>10374341I am Jewish. We're smarter but Asians cooperate better believe it or not. Indians are very mixed.
>>10377557The bitter realization one makes after learning of the Jewish question
>>10381780Lol China needs to start doing the Spartan augmentations from Halo as well. Imagine a super fast and strong Yao Ming with unbreakable bones and superhuman reflexes.
>>10383997Why have whites sold their future generations to the Jews over the past 60 years for the sake of money and hedonism? Why weren't they intelligent enough to ally with Nazi Germany instead of getting cucked by FDR and LBJ later on? Why can't whites see through propoganda if they are the most intelligent?
>>10385858pls become an hero
>>10385839i'm jewish and i'm smarter than everyone else by default because i'm jewish.
>>10374059>over-hype the talent shortage in tech>convince foreign students to study here>prop up universities via foreign students paying top dollar for tuition>flood the labor market>not everyone wins>those that do "win" have a diminished wage>big tech and universities win in the end
>>10373935>Cheated to get in>Paid other people to do assignments and research>can't get a jobGee I wonder why
>>10377650Do you expect a news article?That sort of shit gets covered up.
is it possible for antidepressants to make you permanently depressed when off of them?
>>10385858Because perhaps they are not as intelligent as they think.
>>10385858Pathological altruism is a racial weakness of Whites. Also Hitler being an extremist moron did not help.
>>10387151I'd argue that other countries have more altruism than Europeans on average considering how they trusted europeans when they arrived in their countries. Colonialism was only made possible by local mercenaries and allies in the places they conquered except Africa.
>>10384673Yes, I can attest to this. I know a couple students that actually memorized their way through Real Analysis (undergraduate).
>>10374299At my uni I've only noticed cheating among the freshman and sophomore courses, and by the time you get to upper level math courses most of those who cheated their way through calculus 2 and 3 get annihilated on the first exam and drop. The professors in the math department generally word questions in a manner which you won't see in a textbook or previous problem set so interpreting it correctly is really what determines your exam grade. Those who remain, i.e. didn't cheat are totally bros though.