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Scientifically, what is love?
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>>10286008
extreme social attachment based off of electro-chemical processes in the brain
and also lust
mainly lust
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>>10286008
when you care about another person more then you care about yourself. when you want to see another person blossom. it goes against nature cause most people are uncaring
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>>10286022
>when you care about another person more then you care about yourself.
then women cant love, "would you die to protect me?"
not saying i disagree, but just making the point
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>>10286024
I do remember reading that women don't know how to love the same way men do. It's just a game to them. survival instincts. women use their physical beauty to buy their way into a man's success.

It's all cold logic at the core. some people are just better then others.
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>>10286008
Ego-centric. You love someone that makes YOU feel special. In "healthy" relationships at least. In toxic relationships where the girl stays with an abusive partner I would not call it love.
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The only reason for love to exist is to promote reproduction in a species. If we didn't love, or lust, then people wouldn't have babies and the human race would become extinct.
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Schopenhauer says it's attraction to create balanced children. Nietzsche says it's friendship to create ubermensch for babies. Benedict Cumberbatch says it's dilation of pupil.
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>>10286036
>>10286036
most people have a tremendous ability to cause you suffering. only few people can make you feel love.

>>10286042
balance is the operative word. tremendous amount of balance in the world. nature selection is a lot more precise then you think it is.

>>10286036
same with much of what adults do with their lives. The reason their so fond of meaningless pleasantries is because they're afraid of themselves
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>>10286048
Please elaborate on how natural selection is a lot more precise than supposed.
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>>10286031
>t. incel
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>>10286059
>men and womens biology works the same
>t literal retard
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>>10286008
love is timing
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>>10286063
He didn’t say they work the same though. Implying that all women behave that way without proof does seem like incel-tier behaviour.
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>>10286063
>remembers reading something once
>thinks they know biology
>t. brainlet incel
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>>10286048
I remember a Nature article talking about how population of extinction of butterfly species can happen in real-time in front of our eyes because of some ridiculously small factor.
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>>10286087
>>10286077
Women are practically no more concious or sentient than amoebas. They're just living beings that respons to stimuli without thought.
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>>10286092
Implies why the women in my philosophy class seemed absolutely retarded.
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>>10286077
They're both wrong. Men and Women experience love in different and complimentary ways, just as they coexist in life in different and complimentary ways. The Male and Female drives for relationships will naturally be different, but in a healthy relationship will mesh seamlessly.
Perhaps an interesting couple isolated from modern life for which there is enough recorded correspondence is that of John and Abigail Adams (John was a Founding Father of the United States, and its second President). Most of their written correspondence survives to this day and is entirely cataloged.
The social mores of the time expected women to hold more to certain roles, (and notably in hyper-egalitarian societies they seem to be returning to them in a certain sense) but Abigail was still extremely intelligent and was an excellent sounding board for John.
The biggest source of their unhappiness was being apart, they rarely clashed outside of some intense times when the first American administrations were feeling out the nature of the government they had created.
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>>10286105
Explains*
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>>10286077
I didn't say quality females don't exist. I said most of them are vile creatures and beta males continue to place value upon them no matter how much their offspring are throwaways.s

if anything I was bitching about toxic cis people. sexual attraction is mother nature's cruel trick to get us to breed.
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>>10286092
Can't tell if baiting or hating.
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>>10286008
Baby don't hurt me
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>>10286106
Great anecdote but who cares.
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>>10286092
Again, this is said without any proof or scientific explanation. You are still free to have your own opinion but you’re still an incel in my eyes.
>>10286106
That’s a pretty interesting and nice perspective, anon.
>>10286111
Think you’re onto something even if you come accross as very cynical but
>cis
What do cis people have to do with this?
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>>10286118
People wanted a highly documented and studied, functional couple. I provided a highly documented and studied, functional couple. Look into how their thing worked and it might give you insights into the question about how Men and Women experience love differently.
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>>10286123
>>10286123
>What do cis people have to do with this?
they're the vast majority? takes some ignorance to pass along the gift of life.

first person you quoted wasn't me mate
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>>10286008
I'm disappointed I have to be the one to do this but..BABY DON'T HURT ME
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>>10286129
scroll up..
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>>10286111
>toxic cis people
You mean fully-functional humans without reproduction-crippling impairments?
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>>10286136
Vermin, cockroaches, a virus on the face of the planet. Humans do not create, we destroy, destroy, destroy. Check the side of the road as you travel from one place to the next. Count how many creatures we have "created". Every animal on the planet has a job, a task, a niche. What is ours? What is our job? What vital function would not be performed if we were missing? Idiots. Hubris at its finest. Good luck being worthless. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. We are all only ash and dust.
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>>10286111
>>10286136
Half-jokes aside I know what you meant. Scientifically speaking, that pair bonding still works with non-cis people is worthy of interest because it can be used to tease out important vs unimportant factors in this behavior. Despite the presence mental changes that severely reduce an individual's chances of reproduction, these drives still work, and they work consistently.
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>>10286139
if you're the poster of
>>10286111
you should read
>>10286145

Otherwise, our job is the same as every other living thing on this planet: to persist.
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>>10286147
what do you do when others try to hold you back tho ?
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>>10286128
Anon, I don’t know what kind of trans people you’ve met but in my experience the majority of them are actually hypersexual, hence the obsession with looking like the opposite sex and the prevalence of biological homosexuality. If anything, going by your logic asexuals are the superior kind (but I’m unsure if that even truly exists)
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>>10286158
No anon you cant say that!

What's next? Suggesting that the overconsumption of porn turns men into homosexuals and cuckolds!? No!
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>>10286158
beauty is genius. mother nature gives her greatest gifts to newborns.

beauty and youth is something worth obsessing over.
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>>10286153
Hold back?
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>>10286163
I wouldn’t say it’s as important as you make it out to be desu. I personally think the advancement of society and the prolonging of life and good health is more important (not just for me but universally too).
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>>10286008
and does it depend on the age of the person being loved and the lover.?
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>>10286171
>*t. complete question
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>>10286171
Adult women can't feel love so why even discuss that?

Only girls can truly feel love and be loved.
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>>10286168
finished reading this article

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/magazine/beauty-evolution-animal.html


what good is advanced society and good health if another person's presence is still hellish. some people have the ability to bring out the ugly in me and remind me what I hate about myself. Then I realize I possess the willingness to die and time is an illusion.

I remember reading somewhere that men were put on Earth to spread their seed and kill each other. contributing to society is just a meme
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>>10286181
Adult women have pre-occupied their minds with intrinsic details and correlations inside socitey. Love may be anything but not that in any means.

Girls with newly attained pubic hair knows, whats love at. But then still they are stupid fucks and would only settle for a chad in thier age bracket.
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>>10286106
>but in a healthy relationship will mesh seamlessly.
like i said before, in a "healthy relationship" the woman will still ask the man "would you die for me?"
they dont mesh if one is always able to be cut off for the other
the human relationship is primeval, men and women do not complete each other
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>>10286184
Good article but I was under the impression that you were talking about physical beauty? Or is it also mental?
>contributing to society is just a meme
If we want to look at this from an existentialist point of view, everything is a meme (including your beloved beauty) since we’re all to die and be forgotten in the future. Evolutionary wise, it’s also important to stay in good health and advance that because EVERYONE who isn’t extremely fucked up has an insane drive to live (even in circumstances where a lot of suffering is taking place). I don’t deny that beauty is unimportant since it also contributes to the survival of our race, but there is no point in beauty to begin with it we’re all to die from health conditions, right? It’s also important to remember that beauty is unironically subjective; the whole world will never find the same type of person attractive, even if most seem to swoon over them. Sorry if this sounds very incoherent (it’s 4:30am over here).
>>10286204
Love is partially subjective and has no “true and exact” definition, anon. Their perception of love is very different from yours and neither of you are wrong. Learn to be okay with that.
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>>10286217
That's because your assumption of a healthy relationship is wrong. Only under very particular circumstances would I expect a woman to sacrifice her life for love, and that is for children. This adds an extra layer of fail-safes in a human-specific troupe structure that the other great apes lack, that promotes both of the parents' genes stronger than Chimpanzee behavior.
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>>10286008
>Scientifically, what is love?
It's...

baby don't hurt me

don't hurt me no more.

baby don't hurt me

don't hurt me no more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5G1FmU-ldg
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>>10286167
>>10286153
Poster still hasn't explained what they mean by "others try to hold you back"
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>>10286008

what's this video clip from?
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>>10286486
Leon the Professional
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>>10286008
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more
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>>10286024
i would have disagree with that if i didnt met my ex gf 3 years ago.

at the end she even said herself that we have different definitions of love.

For me it was >>10286022
for her it was >>1028603 in her own fucking words.

You may not like it but its true
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So instead of accepting that she didn't love you like you loved her, you're coping by convincing yourself women can't love.
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>>10286224
>because EVERYONE who isn’t extremely fucked up has an insane drive to live (even in circumstances where a lot of suffering is taking place).
thanks for your post. I'm actually recovering from a stroke. wild ride last year.
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>>10286008
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more
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>>10286171
Holy shit look at those hard underaged nipples
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>>10286022
The love comes from you, your own preferences and desires, that's what makes you want that person and what makes it special. You prioritize your own preferences and desires because you care for your satisfaction the most. It is impossible to care for someone else more because of the type of machine you are.

You may find more personal satisfaction in making someone else satisfied, but it's still because you fundamentally value that at your core and are pursuing your own will. Anything else would not really be love.
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>>10286016
Correct. Love is a biological and neurological process where two sexual organisms of different sex get attached to each other (to increase fitness of course).

>>10286022
Wrong. This is a tiny subset of love. Just think that love means a man and a woman will stay together even after copulation to take care of offspring.
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>>10288319
>where two sexual organisms of different sex get attached to each other
What about the gay
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>>10288319
But you don’t have to be a man and a woman to love, silly.
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>>10288332
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>>10286016
I'd say the emotional attachment applies to women more than men, and lust (physical) for men more than women. While women only date for personal gain on a mostly emotional and financial level, men also factor in physical attraction which is independent from the social norm. Which I think explains why women common fetishes include rape and being dominated, while men's include physical stimuli they have no control over (feet for example). Also, studies showing women tend to feel no sexual attraction towards naked men even if they are hot by society's standard (they will often lie though and possibly actually believe they are turned on despite no physical evidence). Women read romance and watch movies (story and emotion driven) while men watch porn. Women's ratings of physical attractiveness is influenced by society and money while men isn't. Studies have shown that women sleep better in their own beds then with their SO, which isn't true the other way around. Lesbian couples have a lot less sex and many women will have sex despite often not getting any physical gain such as an orgasms, meanwhile most men have sex to fulfill a physical need.
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>>10288345
wait, are you metabaiting us
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>>10288355
You just said something stupid, there's nothing else to comment really.

Imagine if someone says in a chess game "you should move knight to D4". Then the other one responds "no, that would lead to mate". Discussion is kinda over.
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>>10286008
A word with no real definition used as a stand in to mean whatever you want it to mean.
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>>10288382
Most of the words have no 'real definition'. Usually when people want 'real definition' for a word, they want to use that word in a calculator, mathematics, equation, science, legal practices, Excel spreadsheet, or in programming language.

But to conclude that 'you can use it whatever way you want' is hopelessly incorrect and low-iq move.

Are you saying you have DIFFICULTIES UNDERSTANDING which of the following sentences are correct way of speaking english and which are not:

1. Jack LOVES Stacy because she has big breasts.

2. Planet LOVES around the Sun because the Sun gravitationally attracts it and because the planet has kinetic energy.
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>>10288351
>studies showing women tend to feel no sexual attraction towards naked men even if they are hot by society's standard
Then who does cause sexual attraction?
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>>10286008
An OCD that helps genes copy themselves.
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>>10286008
addiction
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>>10286008
Baby don't hurt me...

Scientifically.
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>>10286008
2qt4me
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I'm late to the thread but i'll throw my 2 cents in that probably will get glossed over.

I think love is either denying your self-preservation or using it to improve the quality of life of others. But improving quality of life is a tall order even for yourself.

We live in a very confusing time. I myself am a proprietor of the idea that everyone is responsible for themself. I'm not interested in improving anyones' quality of life. I'm more interested in communicating that life is treacherous for everyone and we all need to improve our own quality of life. One day we'll grow strong and stable enough to help others.

Love is a word we use to describe feelings we are relatively unfamiliar with at the moment. Feelings that have been developing over the course of thousands of years. Tens of thousands of years. Hundreds of thousands of years. Millions of years. Since the big bang itself. Holy fucking shit. Existence is fucking wierd. Life is fucking wierd.
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Leon looks so shocking like my old jiu jitsu coach, it is uncanny. Even that dark spot in his beard is right where I would look for a scar, and one on his ear too.
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>>10290413

But what is helping others? Are you helping someone when you give them $10,000? Or is it hurtful to give people stuff they didn't work for and earn themselves?
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>>10290421
fuck helping others, niggers need to figure shit out on their own or die
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>>10286008
Higher intelligence playing with lower intelligence to authenticate their higher intelligence. This is love.
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>>10286171
hollywood is pedo farm land. Every actress get ticket like this. some revolt, some bury them to their graves
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>>10288318
>your own preferences and desires, that's what makes you want that person and what makes it special. You prioritize your own preferences and desires because you care for your satisfaction the most.
Isn't that mostly natural selection.

some of what you're describing sounds like determinism. Some people are unloving and uncaring and their presence poisons me
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>>10288400
every word is made up. language is just a tool to communicate thoughts/feelings/info etc...
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>>10286167
best way I can describe it is

"morality is a fiction created by the herds of the inferiors to hold back the few superior."

when you come across this in real world you'll be horrified
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>>10290413
>improving anyones' quality of life

I believe people being underachieving can cause anxiety/depression/self harm and more mental health issues.

diet/exercise/sleep seems to work for most people.

People need place to live/food on dinner plate/bed to sleep in to have high quality of life and a happy life. That's where love comes in. sharing the fruits of your labor with someone
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>>10286163
pedo tranny confirmed jfc
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>>10293735
>beauty is genius
is from picture of dorian gray

mother nature giving her greatest gift to young is something i read on 4chan

and youth is worth obsessing over is from picture of dorian gray as well
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>>10293735
>>10293740
more of a parrot then anything
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>>10286022
This, avoiding to accept this truth reveals you are a sad incel
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>>10293718
man with hammer?



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