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delta 4hunnid edition

old thread: >>3500895
All analog/film photography related questions and general discussion is to take place in this thread.
35mm, 120, medium format, large format, instant, polaroid, instax, C41, E6, B&W, developing, scanning, labs, darkroom etc.
Post photos as often as possible, we want to see that beautiful grainy goodness!

useful links:
http://istillshootfilm.org/beginners-guide-film-photography
https://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php

>posting in /fgt/ doesn't make you gay, unless you get your black and white developed at a lab
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>>3504057
I'm was planning to take some pics of this beauty on some delta 400. How did you know op?
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A lot of old cameras have a warning sticker telling you to not use Nickel-Cadmium batteries. Does this also apply to modern rechargeables?
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What’s good about Delta 400 really? I shoot it here and there to mix things up, but so far I feel like Tmax 400 is just better as a T-grain film in all aspects, and otherwise I’ll just rather shoot Hp5 any day. Maybe I’m not using the correct developer to get the best results or something.
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Sup /fgt/, I've decided that I wanna try fucking around with a film camera. We got a couple boxed away at home, namely a Zenit TTL, Revueflex SC-2, a Vilia (that probably doesn't work because I remember it being given to me to play with as a kid) and a Lomo LC-A (also in a questionable state). Which one would be the least shitty?
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>>3504190
The Zenit TTL probably. It’s shitty - I have one - but not overbearingly, like some other Zenits. I can’t remember if the meter was selenium or not, the only roll I shot with mine I metered for with my phone.

Absolutely love my LCA but it’s not really a ”clean” camera, the lens has distortion and vignetting etc. and it’s zone focus & automatic exposure only. Still probably my favorite camera to have fun with.
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>>3504190
The Revueflex should be alright, has a Pentax K mount so plenty of good glass available.
It's a rebrand of this camera:
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Chinon_CM-4
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>>3504190
Pentax fag here. If the revueflex really is a clone of the cm-4 like >3504228 says then that's great. A fully manual k mount slr will almost guaranteed be fine. The same can't be said for electronic slrs's.

I'm currently using a Pentax MX while I send my LX in for repairs and the revueflex seems to be like an MX. Which is great. Try to get some sr44's for it, calibrate the meter against a phone app and go for it. The kit lens seems to be a 50mm f1.9 which is pretty good. Please do some reading on the exposure triangle and then post your first roll here. Have fun faggot.
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>>3504337
Wait that's not a Bentax sixfty pheven
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>>3504339
Ha, no not that guy. I already have all the medium format I’ll ever need

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>>3504337
Is that an Intrepid Camera? Please provide ya Bois with a detailed review.

NOTE: I'm I'm Poland and there are absolutely no fucking good places for cameras. There's a place in Warsaw called black and white that's good for film, and this place in krakow. That's it. If you want those hole in the wall ask and I'll send you the name
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I miss the SOONposter :(

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>>3504366
I’ll post something more detailed when I’ve actually got some pics to show, but initial impressions are it’s super light (like lighter than my Hasselblad) but feels fairly sturdy. It is quite fiddly to pack down though. Also the ground glass is a million times better with a cheap fresnel screen in front of it, would use it without one.
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>>3504195
>>3504228
>>3504292
thanks lads will report back when I get it started
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First roll on my Minolta hi-matic 7s. Before this I've shot with a few disposable cameras which isn't really the same thing. Some of the shots got fucked up by a employee in the film shop where i got a new roll as he opened up the case without checking that I had my last roll still in place.
Didn't get all shots scanned and even those in a "basic resolution" as didn't know if they ended up well enough. Going to check some of the prints today later on too.
I did most shots on full manual while metering with my phone or using the sunny 16 but the camera's light meter seems to work fine with a modern 625 battery, or maybe film just is that forgiving.

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Got my 4th of july roll back, really pleased with how these double exposures came out. I've never really fucked with them.
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>>3504538
>double exposure
Ive always wanted to try this, but is it a pain in the ass with film?
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>>3504543
It depends on the camera, I use a rb67 so I just cock the shutter and not advance the film.
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So my last couple rolls of c41 all came out looking super underdeveloped, they were all developed at the times and temperatures said in the instructions. Did some googling and found out that the problem is that the Rollei Digibase C41 instructions (mind you the instructions don't come with the kit you have to get them online!) don't tell you that you have to increase developing time the more rolls you develop. The 1 litre kits says you can develop 20-24 rolls with it and I'm only up to my 10th and the results look shit. Will be adding more time not the development from now on but jesus christ how is anymore suppose to know you have to increase developing times if it's not in the instructions? Had a look at the Tetenal c41 kit's instructions and it tells you to increase developing times.
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With a lot of the nice 35mm p&s now having hipster tax on them, what's a decent p&s that can fit in a pocket that's not gunna break the bank that could be feasible for street?
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My XD-11 just arrived, feels solid as fuck. R8 my setup lads.

Also have a Mju II and a broken Zorki (used to love this simple camera, but something went bust with the shutter). I keep tinkering with it but no success so far...
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>>3504706
>XD in blue leather
that's sexy af m8. congratz on the new camera.
minolta eksdees are fucking sweet cameras. love the later x series but minolta never made a camera as solid as the XD.
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>>3504706
Sweet!
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>>3504736
oh fug, the XK is a tank next to the smol eksdee
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>>3504736

What variant of Chieftain is that?
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>>3504761
The Mk10
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>>3504689
I really, really like this image.
Details?
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kodak gold 200, leica r6.2, 50mm f/2
The bouquet - it was a beach wedding

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I fucking love this
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Vacation photos - nothing I'm crazy about... last one

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>>3504382
I've heard that intrepids are very prone to light leaks, examine your carefully.
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Are there still any good and cheap full brass rangefinders around that are not overhyped by the hipsters?
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>>3504701
I like my Canon Sureshot max. Pentax has many such models too. Havent messed with any of the 90s zooms but they are even more compact.
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just bought a minolta x370
Just learning about film photography, pretty new to everything

what film should I buy?
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>>3504803
I really like this one. what film were you using?
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>>3504764

Looks good.
Sry, off-topic...
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>>3504890

The cheapest you can find for your first few rolls.

Fujifilm X-tra 400 or the Kodak equivalent.
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>>3504890
get some fuji c200 and go have some fun. the x370 is a really sweet camera. everything is pretty straight forward on it but you should give the manual a quick read.
The Auto mode on the dial is Aperture Priority, not full auto. Non-blinking LED on the finder is the metered shutter speed for the currently set aperture on the lens. On Auto mode is the shutter speed the camera is gonna use. On manual speed selection you match the blinking LED, which is the currently selected speed on the dial, to the metered solid LED to get proper exposure.
oh, and don't forget to set the ISO/ASA film speed dial under the rewind knob to the speed of the film you buy.
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Interested to see what film this thing uses (tried google but no luck) pretty sure it's either Kodak Ultramax 400, Fujifilm Superia 400.
Anyone used one of these Polaroid disposables before?
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Am I the only one that noticed David Hancock posts here?
Hey man, love your channel!
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>>3504966
whoa, how do you know? maybe /fgt/ is gonna be featured in one of his videos
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>>3504977
Check his channel, then this thread
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>>3504978
maybe it's because it's nearly 8 am and I haven't slept all night, but I'm not seeing anything. still, pretty cool if the guy posts here.
I mean, with all the classic film forums going under or having scarce activity (whatever happened to APUG?), /fgt/ is still one of the most active places I know of with actual talk rather than the "post snapshit get upboat but no comments" dynamic of other sites, so it makes sense if some people are finding their way here.
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>>3504966
>>3504977
There's a ThinkPad W520 (or T520) in many of his videos. So clearly /ourguy/ for at least /tpg/, therefore certainly also /fgt/. Also the Minolta XK and rainbow strap.

(Hi, David. Thanks for the videos, all of them are top notch, glad to see the recent LF stuff also.)
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>>3504893
provia 100f
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David, if you're hanging around here, thanks for everything and bless you!
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>>3504701
XA 2 or 3 you can still get good deals on on eBay if you are patient
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hp5+ vs pan 400 or the bad boy tmax400 ?
which one should i stock up /p/ ?
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>>3505117
Which can you push better?
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>>3504706
Aaaalways considered getting an XD or XE. Is it really that good? Is it better than a Contax RTS or 139 Q?
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>>3505136
i don't push that much often...tri-x is great for that though....
i ordered hp5+ since it's been a long time. my fav is still t-max at boxspeed though

>>3505149
anon please...did you compare minolta to Masterrace Contax ??
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>>3505117
If I’m not wrong, Pan 400 is just Hp5 leftovers that don’t pass qa to be sold as Hp5, which is packaged and sold to poorer markets. So only get it if it’s cheap. My local photo store sells it for more than Hp5, guess it’s a similar situation to Pro Image 100 where a cheapo film becomes expensive when imported from outside markets.

Tmax 400 and Hp5 are very different. I like both, but mostly shoot Hp5 since it gets the look I’m after most of the time & suits my developer choice. Delta 400 would be the better competitor to pick against Tmax 400, and out of those two I prefer the Tmax.
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>>3505156
>Pan 400 is just Hp5 leftovers that don’t pass qa to be sold as Hp5, which is packaged and sold to poorer markets
mexipoor here. As far as I know Ilford Pan 100 and 400 is rebranded kentmere 100 and 400, as to keep the Ilford brand which is well-known here. we've always had Pan 100 and 400 as the budget Ilford film but kentmere branded film has never been officially sold here. same for photo paper, the budget Ilford paper is branded as kenford, not kentmere.
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>>3505156
the "leftover hp/fp" story was from an anon not long ago on /p/ saying he "heard" that rumor from someone who worked at or for ilford or something...
desu it doesn't sound true to me too
the mexi-anon makes more sense in this case
but whatsoever...pan film isn't actually bad at all...

i recently found 2x bulkfilms from ilford, it's the p3 surveillance iso 400
i shoot the film @200 and use the hp5+ recipe, works really good. downside is that the film is extremly thin and even if it hangs for days it still curves...
>pic related, Ilford Surveillance 400 P3 shot & dev'd at 200

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>>3505150
>Masterrace Contax
What exactly makes it masterrace, anon?
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>>3504057
Just a quick hypothetical question, a mere thought experiment, for shits n giggles,
Suppose a person has an old Leica that's in good condition and wanted to employ it in some photography for artistic purposes,
say they somehow manage to load a film canister into it and get it started without fucking everything up,
when they hit the last exposure, and it's time to rewind the film canister, how do you know if you've rewound it enough or too much?
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>>3505278
I don't think you can rewind a 35mm roll too much. If you keep cranking it just spins around in the can, no problem.
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>>3505280
Oh, ok, so it should just come loose of the gears that transverse it left and right, and the canister would just spin freely with a little bit of film tail hanging out of it?
That doesn't sound so hard then.
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>>3505281
You'll feel when the end of the rolls come apart from the take up spool
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>>3505281
You should feel when it comes free of the pressure plate and stuff, it will get suddenly easier to rewind. Just give it a few more turns after that, there's no problem with rewinding it too far.
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>>3505117
Definitely go with Tmax 400 if money isn't an issue, is my go to film love the fine grain and it pushes well. If money is an issue I'd go with Ilford Pan 400, I've only shot 2 rolls of it but I like the classic grain and it has nice contrast especially pushed 2 stops. HP5 is one of those film that everyone loves but I've never gotten it to look any good (same goes for Portra 400).

>>3505156
>>3505197
>>3505201
they're definitely not the same films Kentmere was a small film company year ago which was bought out by Ilford. The Kentmere Pan emulsion originate from the old company not to mention they have different developnig times to Ilford Pan

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>>3505281
The canister stays in place, it’s the spool on the inside which rotates. The tail is always taken back into the canister.
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>>3505296
went with 5 rolls of hp5+ this time lol
since as you mentioned everyone loves it but i never really tried out the film. but from what i see, i like character of it

so this weeks purchase
1 heliopan orange filter 46mm since my current one has lots of scratches and 5 bw film

just found 3x packages of 120 Ektar 100 for 60€
should i buy it ? expired 2014
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Based Ilford.

https://youtu.be/JXpoALotxf0
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>>3505351
>went with 5 rolls of hp5+ this time lol
Hey well I hope you get some nice shots out of it, what developer do you plan on using? All the HP5 I've shot was developed in Xtol 1:1 so maybe HP5 just looks like shit in Xtol lol.
And grab the Ektar that seems like a good deal even tho it's expired
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>>3505415
@15:15 makes me cringe and rage
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>>3505424
iam using the hc-110 for all negatives at home
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>>3505425
The filmmaker dancing around the moving forklift?
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>>3505415
>>3505425
You know for a photo company they really have no idea how to make a video.
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>>3505498
>>3505517
the way the hippster guy spooling the film inside the rollei.....
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>>3504079
mission accomplished
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>>3505598
One of the greatest pieces of engineering
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>>3505599
there will never be anything quite like it ever again.
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>>3505604
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>>3505606
This plane is pornographic engineering
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>>3505606
this ones the best, where were you at? air and space in dulles?
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>>3505719
Lackland AFB in San Antonio
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Is an epson v370 acceptable for scanning 35mm negatives?
Please keep the pedantic autism to a minimum in your answers
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>>3505724
>Please keep the pedantic autism to a minimum in your answers
fuck you

yeah m8 the epson v370 is great just buy it
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>>3505724
Flatbeds are very hit or miss for 35mm, but theyll do "okay". For 35mm, its either dedicated or bust if ya want great scans.
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Post qts

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>>3505833
qt reporting in

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>>3505833
What is it that makes cute girls look even cuter when seen through analog film?
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>>3505833
Very cute
>>3505857
It's really hard to explain
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>>3505821
I have liked almost everything I shot on ultramax 400 myself so far as well. It's a solid general purpose film.
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>>3505821
>>3505882
I love Ultramax it's the only color negative film I shoot anymore with the occasional Portra 400 pushed to 3200 for low light. But seriously fuck paying $16aud a roll for Portra when you can get a three pack of Ultramax for $12aud
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>>3505733
What would the minimum specs be for a scanner good enough to bother with for scanning film?
Is there anything special to the procedure that's different from scanning anything else?
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>>3505197
You’re kinda right, but the opposite is true.
All Kentmere film is coated and packaged by Ilford. Essentially made by Ilford through and through. They might use old recipes from kentmere, but I think it’s almost certain that Ilford use their own recipes, either older variants of their HP5+ and FP4+ emulsions (Which have gone through multiple iterations, every 10-15 years they’d get updated, sometimes without a change in name).
Or alternative versions of those recipes that they decided not to make and brand under the Ilford name until someone came along and asked to license them.

Ilford also does custom work, if a brand goes to them with recipe, Ilford can do a coating run for them using their coasters and slicing/packaging machines.
All Adox films are produced this way if I remember correctly, original recipes coated and finished by Ilford.


Coming up with a recipe can be hard, but having the capacity to coat it in big master rolls and package in 35mm/120 is surprisingly harder.

There only remaining companies with the capacity to coat emulsions are Kodak, Ilford, Fuji, Foma and Agfa Gevaert /Inoviscoat. Ferrania triés to do the same but it’s a meme at this point after blowing all the money from their kickstarter gullible idiots.

This is not a bad thing, Ilford quality consistency is top notch.
Pretty much all B&W film that you see from smaller “brands” and niche hipster shit is made by Ilford and maybe some by Foma.
Kodak doesn’t bother with custom work and I don’t know if Agfa Gevaert is still operational.
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>>3505887
2400 dpi would be the minimum for a decent 11x14 print made from slide film. 4000 would be ideal as it's going to give you as much as you can realistically get from a 135 frame.
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>>3505980
>>3505887
here's a comparison between an epson v550 at 2400 dpi and a canon fs4000us at 4000 dpi from a 135 provia 100f slide
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>>3505996
Wait, which one is the flatbed?
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>>3505980
4800dpi scans take up some 80 meg as uncompressed TIFFs though, and are unwieldy to process. I've taken to scanning at 2400dpi standard (since it gets to visible grain at 400 ISO B&W cubic grain in HC-110(B)) and then doing particularly rezzy frames again at 4800 dpi. But generally the latter will be on Delta 400 or Tmax 100 or some other fancy stuff I shoot maybe three times a year.
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>>3505999
left is dedicated, right is shatbed
>>3506000
it's not pure dpi related. shatbeds don't focus well at all for some reason. if I scanned the left side at 2400 dpi it would still be sharper as the scanner is able to focus on the film better than the shatbed can.
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>mamiya universal

Is this camera good ? Seller offers lens, body, 6x7 back for 120 film and 6x9 back for sheet film
50€
Iam thinking to buy and use it for a while then sell
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>>3506063
>>3506065
at that price, definitely go for it, then flip if you don't like it

they're neat cameras
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>>3506088
Yeah i will, i like MF though..
But i just don't get the 6x9 film thing..
Never went higher than medium format
So the 6x7 is MF
and the 6x9 back is for sheet film ??
Just checked the shop for my film needs, they're selling 6,5x9 sheet film from foma..is this it ? And iam guessing that after loading one sheet inside the cameras back, i only have one shot to go unless i buy more 6x9 filmholders ?
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>>3506090
Unless the 6x9 is ment for a 120 film...
But he says sheetfilm holder 6x9..so that's why iam confused..
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>>3506101
>>3506090
So apprently the term "6x9 sheet film" in german
is reffering to 2,25"x3,25" film in english language...
Damn boy...
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My Bessa setup is now complete, though I may wind up selling the 35mm and switching to the Nokton 40mm 1.4.

Not a bad kit for $860 all in
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>>3505996
Different guy you're responding to. Really making me regret my v550 purchase (even if it was for cheap). What a decent dedicated scanner I can grab for a decent price then?
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>>3506184
I use my v550 exclusively for medium format now that I have a competent 135 scanner. It works pretty well for that and produced a pretty good 24x24 print for me a couple of weeks ago.

But for 135, you're really gonna want a dedicated scanner if you plan on making large prints.
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>>3505936
so, with many recipes going around that factory it'd be hard to tell if ilford pan and kentmere are (or where at some time) the same. As the other anon pointed out, dev data sheets don't match so there's that atleast.
ilford pan has filled the budget bw film niche here so I guess they didn't have a good reason to introduce kentmere, as like they'd be competing with themselves haha.
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anyone ever shoot with ultrafine xtreme bw film? super cheap and looks pretty decent. just need to buy supplies to start developing my own at home
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>>3506118
are all of those lenses click-stopped for the focus rings or just the snapshot skopar
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Why are buses so comfy /p/

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>>3506216
Yeah pretty much.
And as you said, the dev times (when given from the same manufacturer) are the best indication of whether the films are the same or different. Different dev times = different emulsions.
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>>3506240
what the hell why are there only like 4 seats?
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>>3506240
dunno
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Is tmax really that sexier than tri-x?
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>>3506286
That looks freaking crazy man
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>>3506286
what'd you scan this with
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>>3506292
This Dick, gottem
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>>3506292
I think it was a frontier, dunno what model
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I need a jug, a jug to hold chemicals, developing chemicals, do any of you,,,,, have any, recommendations?
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How does my film camera know what film is?
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>>3506303
Depends. Newer film cameras can read your films DX code. Older cameras can’t. You’ll have to set the iso manually.
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>>3506305
Based
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>>3506118
Nice! My setup (>>3504706) costed me ~900$, but I really love dat Zeiss glass.
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>>3506225
just the snapshot skopar. both of these lenses have clickless focus. nice and well damped though!

>>3506312
such a neat camera!
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>>3506345

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>>3504945
Turns out it's an Agfa LeBox clone so It's probably Agfa Vista 400
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>tfw finding out that big chain stores don't do in house development anymore and the third party companies they use don't return the negatives
Are there any decent film developing companies left that return the negatives, or would I pretty much have to do my own development?
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>>3506353
based and trainpilled
t. /n/igger
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>>3506405
Dwayne’s photo
Dexters camera
The darkroom
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>>3506118
I need to get that 21mm too at some point, but have to replace my R2 first now that my 1/30 has started to get stuck as well. I don’t think the shutter will live for too long anymore, and I’m not sure if anyone services the Bessas up here in North Europe.

I’m a bit tempted to replace my 35mm with the 28mm f3.5 Skopar that pops up now and then, ut it’s kind of rare. But honestly the 35mm is so cheap and good there’s not much competition.
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>>3506501
Would you consider a R2A as a replacement for your R2, then? Because I've got one to flog off, and probably don't live more than 20€ shipping away from whatever you mean with "North Europe".
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>>3506301
Why do you need a jug rather than sealable bottles?
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>>3506583
Because I am financially ruined
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>>3506283
I don't Fuggin know
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>>3506065

For that price get it, especially if it has the 100mm f2.8
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>>3506501
Think I'll be developing my first roll using the 21mm today. The separate viewfinder is fucking lovely to look through. So bright and no lame distortion.

There's also the Avenon 28mm 3.5 that looks appealing if you're thinking about the 28mm Skopar.

>>3506301
>>3506607
I litereally buy $0.99 1L bottles of sparkling water and use those. My C41 and E6 chemicals last for 6 months in them no problem.

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I got into photography recently and picked up a Pentax p30t with some ilford xp2 and went taking photos around town. I got them back the other day from the lab. Any and all feedback appreciated

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>>3506747

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>>3506063
>>3506088
>>3506687
damnit man...seller contacted me next day that it's allready sold...
now i desperately want one or atleast a similar one...a real nice LF or MF just for Portraits...
which cameras are similar here to the mamiya universal ?

>>3506747
is it just me or did they oversharpen it ? looks smudged slightly...
try a more traditional BW film next time...xp2 is BW but gets developed in color neg chemicals..
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>>3506750
That’s why I chose xp2, most labs in the UK only seem to do c41
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>>3506802
do you know how easy it is to develop bw films actually ?
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>>3506825
nice prints. I need to find space for an enlarger/darkroom
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What’s a good film camera for beginners? I’ve never used a camera besides my phone and rx100 to take snapshits. But I got obsessed with sharpness
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>>3506353
Is the date part permanent? Do all film cameras have it
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>>3506857
some cameras have it but not all, it's more common in point&shoot cameras than in SLR. it's usually called "quartz date" or data back, and it can be switched on/off.
it is permanent as it exposes the film with small multi-segment LEDs to imprint the date/time.

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>>3506871
So leaving in the picture is more of a personal choice
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>>3506887
yea, if the camera is equipped for printing it, it's up to you to use it or not.
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there are people
paying a premium for
expired agfa vista, aka rebranded fujicolor c200

wew wee
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>>3506871

They are often sold as a seperate replaceable back on old manual focus SLRs.

The autofocus SLRs started to have it built in (some even saved exif data to internal memory).
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>>3505996
Here is epson v850 on Pentax 67 shot
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>>3506857
There's the APS format that had a magnet strip on the side of the film to encode date and time on, but I think that's discontinued.
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>>3506852
Mamiya rb67
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>>3506405
The find lab
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Iv I've got a about 700 usd for a camera + light meter

I was thinking maybe a mamiya rb67 or fuji gw690

What do you think?
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>>3506947
need way more fuckin info bro. unless you just want to spend money to fuel some gearfaggotry...in which case it doesn't matter what camera you buy so long as you buy one
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Who else here absolutely JUICED for lomography’s completely new film stock?

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>>3506973
lomo already have their own 100 400 speed color films (emulsion contracted to kodak for production iirc)
and they suck
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currently using a 6x6 camera, but it sitting on a 150cm tripod means a lot of times i have to tilt it up get high stuff into frame, resulting in distortions
so i'm thinking of getting a gx680, just for movements

are there any holes in this plan?
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I'm going abroad in August and I'm trying to decide if I should get my Om-1n serviced (the light meter is way off and it has some shutter issues) so I can bring that or stick to my perfectly working Canon EOS 50e. Damn, why is film photography so addictive?
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>>3506973
Meh, the only thing lomo could do to get me excited is resurrect 1600 color film.
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>>3507006
Considering how bulky the GX680 is and that you will be using a tripod anyway, there is not much advantage over a monorail -unless using 120 film is important to you.
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>>3506852
Any Canon EOS film camera. I have two, an EOS 620 and 50E. You can use any first party Canon EF lens up to current day, they have great autofocus, really solid features (exposure comp, a/s/p/m, multiple exposure etc), auto loading film and they cost fuck all. They don't look as cool as the older SLRs but I think they're so much easier to use plus you can adapt the lenses to other systems really easily.

https://www.diyphotography.net/hipsters-guide-eos-film-cameras/

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>>3507006
What do you shoot? The 680 is enormous and very heavy, only really to be used for studio work.
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If you want a camera like a 680 you can take in to the field an RZ67 would be the biggest I'd go. 6x7 cameras are significantly bigger than 6x6, 6x8 are again significantly bigger than 6x7.
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>>3506976
Arent those just rebranded shit? Idk man. If jvpes is juiced then so am i. Completely new film stocks can only be a good thing for the industry as a whole
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>>3506282
>>3506240
/kino/
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>>3507018
>>3507021
mostly cityscapes, but also some still lifes in the future, which is where selective focus can be handy
I have considered 4x5, but atm I have my rolls lab deved, and use a dedicated 120 scanner, switching to 4x5 means getting into home dev and be limited to flatbed scanning

looking at a rz67 and gx680 side by side pic, damn it's really bigger than i thought
maybe 4x5 is not completely out yet..
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>>3507013

I still got around 20 rolls of Natura left.

should get shooting that stuff.
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>>3507029
The commonly accepted wisdom regarding Lomography's colour film is that it's Kodak's older emulsions that are not sold otherwise.
I think this new Lomography film looks like ass and won't be buying any. If it is actually a new film that's cool, but I doubt that they are manufacturing it themselves.
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Why haven't Kodak released Ektachrome 120 yet?
Don't those noobs realise their customers these days are millennials? and millennials want stuff NOW
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>>3507043
For 120 film the GX680 may make sense. I would compare size and weight with monorail/ field camera options + rollfilm back though.
I use an old Graflex with roll film back as well as 4x5 and it does have some limited movements such as simple shift for taller buildings etc.
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>>3507054
But you should realise the irony of what you're saying. It's film. The whole point is you don't get the result NOW
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>>3507006
I know the RZ67 has a tilt shift lens, maybe other systems will too. Although I can only assume they're expensive.
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>>3506973
>an iconic film for streetphotographers
>relying on a shitty mistint of film to make your lame photos of peoples' backs and people crossing a street look less lame

>>3507013
no need when portra 400 shoots perfectly fine at 1600 with no push in development.
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>>3507073
>portra 400 shoots perfectly fine at 1600 with no push in development
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>>3507089
He's right tho.
Unlike digital, color negative film's iso is not absolute, latitude/workable range is more important. 1600 vs 400 is only -2, with portra that's nothing. I have gone as low as -5 and still got a useable image.
The only use for hispeed film is on those auto-everything point and shoots that set iso based on dxcode, and auto-shutters of 1/15s vs 1/60s can make ot break low light shots.
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>>3507099
That's overexposure. Negative film fares a lot worse with underexposure. At -2 it'll be at the very least be a lot grainier and start to lose details in shadowed areas. -3 will be pretty much unusable.
I'm starting to understand why I'm seeing so many grainy photos out there: People consistently underexpose their film.

https://petapixel.com/2018/02/05/test-reveals-exposure-limits-kodak-portra-400-film/
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>>3507100
and at -2 portra still beats all the natura 1600 shots I have ever seen
so what's your point?
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>>3506973
Mark my words: This is a batch that didn't pass QC at one of the big brands. Lomo sells it until it's all used up and the "new" film is going to vanish forever.
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>>3506700
You forgot one thing, I need to use a funnel
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Does anyone know what film pic related is? A colleague gave me a bag with an old AE-1 and several rolls of this. There was also some 2000-ish era gold 200 in there as well. DX number is 015583.

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>>3507126
No, but it looks a lot like lomography film from the appearance.
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>>3507043
A 4x5 field camera with a 120 back would be significantly lighter, not to mention more flexible, than a 680. Don’t go monorail though, that shit is even heavier than the 680.

>>3507054
Jesus Christ be patient, they only announced it like two months ago, it will hopefully be out in a year or so.
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>>3507144
>>Don’t go monorail though, that shit is even heavier than the 680.
I learned something today ...
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>>3507100
Portra at -2 is far less grainy than Natura 1600 @ 1600. That's my point, dumbo
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>>3507100
>-3 will be unusable

Here's a roll of 120 Portra 400 shot between 1600-3200 with no push. Plenty of detail

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>>3507153
and a quick crop of a frame that was shot at 1600 from that roll.

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>>3507126
I did some googling with the dx number and I think it's probably some generic kodak re-brand.
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How do I shoot old film? Got some black and white film from the 90s
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>>3507172
Put it in a camera.
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>>3507172
Rule of thumb: Overexpose by one stop per decade, then develop normally.
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Raped some expired T-MAX 100.

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>>3507188
><3 t-max <3
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Who else here going to jvpes’ street photography workshop in SF?!
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>>3507212
Sounds pretty dope, honestly. Id totally get juiced to get be taught the ins and out of street photography by one of the contemporary greats!
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>>3507212
>>3507216
just checked his page.....not impressed even once....fucking fanboys of /p/ again...
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>>3507180
This is in regards to expired color negative film. Not sure if black and white follows the same guideline.
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>>3507217
>doesn't know about ironic #minoltagangposting
whoa lurk moar newfag
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>>3507218
It worked for me. Recently tried it with 30 year expired bw film comparing shots at box speed and overexposing three stops. Overexposure definitely worked out. (That said, I have no idea how the film was stored, I have shot 10 year expired bw film, fridge stored, without adjustments and it worked fine.)
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>>3507212
the guy has the worst fucking taste
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>>3507217
>>3507220
>>3507228

Hes done a successful street photography workshop before. Jvpes is legit and gets people juiced on street photography and film photography in genera. Why so much hate here? Hes done more for the film community than anyone who posts here ever will
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>>3507234
>he dun so much
>he deed the best for street phophoglaphy
get a grip dude...what are you, 15 ??

but beside that....his stuff is nothing special
i'll give you a random name that you can check out on instagram
>@camilo.fuentealba.brevis
hell...even this sucker here takes more interesting moments than him
>@color_grain
oh wait, that sucker is me
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Can you guys recommend me a nice cheap 6x9 or 4x5inch camera ?
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Got my A1 back, no lens though.
DO I GET THIS /p/?
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>>3507282
Mamiya Universal
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>>3507301
Do you need that zoom?
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>>3507304
I want creepshots in the middle of nyc streets, people shopping in boutiques and zoom in on them

so yes?
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>>3507306
Why do you want to hide the fact that you're photographing, are you a coward?
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>>3507309
No i like the look of it through the glass sort of voyeuristic.
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>>3507311
get a binocular then faggot
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>>3507321
is English your first language?
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>>3507056
>>3507144
you're right, a 4x5 with 120 back is the way to go

have been looking into it since, got some 4x5 questions if you don't mind:
-image circle: so apparently lenses have movements limits, like a Schneider with max 20mm rise, but because 120 film area's much smaller than 4x5 I assume the limit for a 120 back is more, not less than 20mm?
-focal length and aperture: a 100mm on 4x5+120 back is the same perspective as a 100mm on 6x6, but an aperture of f/11 will still have dof of 4x5?
-sharpness: so it seems most 4x5 lenses are stopped down to f/16 or 22. Do you think f/8, f/11 on some max 5.6 lenses are good enough?
And what are some must have lenses in the 75-80, 150, 300 range?
-tripod: I have a reallyrightstuff series 1 tripod/ballhead, will it be enough for a light-ish 4x5 or will I need something more stable?
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I posted this in SQG, but what went wrong with this scanned negative? What are these lines from?
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>>3507352
> I assume the limit for a 120 back is more, not less than 20mm?
Yep

> a 100mm on 4x5+120 back is the same perspective as a 100mm on 6x6
Correct, though 6x6 backs for 4x5 are rare in comparison to 6x7 and 6x9.

>but an aperture of f/11 will still have dof of 4x5?
No

>you think f/8, f/11 on some max 5.6 lenses are good enough?
Good enough for what? People don’t stop down LF lenses because they have sharpness problems, it’s to combat the depth of field.

>what are some must have lenses in the 75-80, 150, 300 range?
Not really such thing as a ‘must have’ LF lens. There are databases online with lists of everything out there, narrow them down to the focal lengths and apertures that you want, then see what you can actually get hold of. Anything by Fuji, Nikkor or Schneider is a good bet.

>will it be enough for a light-ish 4x5
Yes. You may find windy situations require more weight, so just tether your tripod with your camera bag.
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>>3507385
That looks like a dev problem, not a scan problem m9.
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>>3507388
yeah that's what I was thinking, not exposure or scanning.
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>>3507352
Most questions have been answered, but for focal length and aperture:
As a rule of thumb: the focal length giving you a normal viewing angle is said to be roughly equivalent to the image diagonal in mm.
From this you can get a multiplier for focal length equivalents by simply dividing normal focal length (80/50=1.6 etc) more precise calculations are possible, but this works as an approximation.
Depth of field will depend on the usual variables (distance to subject, focal length, aperture). To think about this intuitively: if you expose a 4x5 negative, you can literally cut out a 6x6 or 2.4x3.6 frame. The viewing angle for the frame will of course have changed, but the DoF characteristics remain the same.
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>>3507385
Looks like bromide drag from insufficient agitation.
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>>3507387
>>People don’t stop down LF lenses because they have sharpness problems, it’s to combat the depth of field.

To be picky: it is to increase depth of field. Depth of field is the range of distances over which the image appears to be in focus to the human eye. (In germanic languages like German (Schärfentiefe), Dutch (scherptediepte) or Danish (dybdeskarphed) it is literally called 'depth of sharpness'.) In the early days of photography, film formats were generally large, so the problem of concern was getting enough in focus and this is indeed achieved by stopping down.

In a world dominated by tiny digital sensors with very short focal distance normal lenses, just about everything will be in focus. Now losing some focus, or the option of doing so, becomes a desirable stylistic effect. A moderate softening of focus in the background creates a bit of a 3D impression, so it is understandable that those who grew up with digital photography think of depth of field in inverted terms. The technical definition has not changed though.
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>>3507387
>>3507433
ok so just to clarify on the dof part

let's say I set up a 4x5, 100mm at f/11, focusing at an object 5m away
with these a dof calculator gives me a dof of 9m (7.1m behind, 1.9 before subject)

the I put the 120 back on, expose, and the image I get (which is just a crop of 4x5 area), will still have the same 9m dof?
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>>3507453
Yes. One thing to remember though: imperfections of any kind become more apparent the more you enlarge the negative. The 4x5 negative would therefore tend to have higher image quality for a given print size.
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>>3507441
Thanks Google
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>>3507435
Thank you
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>>3507212
Lol he's even shittier than Eric Kim. Why in god's name would you pay for a workshop from someone like this?
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>>3507503
because influencer and you might show up on his YT channel I guess
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>>3507520
that...that reasoning is so sad

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arista 100 is lovely stuff for the price

bessa r2 + color skopar 35mm 2.5

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>>3507234
I don't give a flying fuck what he does for the film community, he is terrible and street photography hasn't been good since Vivian Maier. The film community isn't a community, it's just people who buy a particular product. And people who buy film don't need an influencer to speak for them.
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>>3507633
Stop feeding the trolls
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Konica FS1, Hexanon AR 40mm 1.8, expired Fujifilm Provia 100F

I used Lightroom Mobile to get the file size down.

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>>3507476
>> Thanks Google
Das diese Möglichkeit besteht sei hier nicht bestritten. Dennoch sollte der geneigte Leser bedenken das es Menschen gibt die mehr als eine Sprache beherrschen. Og jeg er ågso så gammel at jeg har ordboger i bogreolen.
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>>3507678
Dass diese Möglichkeit
bedenken, dass
gibt, die

Soviel zu 'mehr als eine Sprache beherrschen'.
inb4: grammar nazi
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>>3507687
¡Huevón! Ya descubriste los límites de Google translate.
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Bringing a bunch of color neg and slide film in 120 through airport scanners next week, this shouldn't be much a problem right?
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>>3507742
Not at low speeds with only a few scans. Portra 800 might be a problem for example. Also: don't check the film in; apparently the scanners for checked in luggage are a lot stronger.
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>>3507745
I'm bringing it in hand luggle, have a few roles of Superia 1600, guess I'll ask them to take that out.
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>>3507752
Good idea. I try to buy at the destination if I can, but when I have to bring film, I try to stick to < ISO400.
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>>3506825
Awesome! What grade were these printed on?
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>>3507633
>street photography hasn't been good since Vivian Maier.
Bruce Gilden and Anders Peterson are pretty good.

https://www.svtplay.se/video/22672306/utan-langtan-ingen-bild-anders-petersen?fbclid=IwAR0DeHMjPgSlgO_PaVxGLb1yIJMWYAHQA7lKJHIP8ZFmXM_JDyh-ybUvnS0

Not sure if anyone can watch this. It's in swedish, with only swedish subs.
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>>3506118
Why not the R4M instead?
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>>3507781
Those cost $1000 while I only spent $460 on the R2. I will probably upgrade to one eventually...just not while in university lol.

Going on a 2 week camping trip
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>>3507633
>The film community isn't a community

Have sex. Not everyone is a shut-in like you. A quick look at any king jvpes video comment section proves there is a very strong film community.
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>>3507811
>shut-ins commenting on a youtube video is somehow a community
I agree that film is alive and well in some corners, I even attend my local photo club where some people still shoot film, but citing some fucking e-celebs comment section is definitely not a sign of anything other than mass faggotry online. People leave lots of comments on bonafide crazy schizophrenics channels, doesn't mean there's a strong schizophrenic appreciation community in the real world.
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Is trying to get a 35mm camera with a spot meter worth it, or should I just stick to my camera with the standard cw meter?

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>>3507813
>bitter because he wasnt invited into the #minoltagang

Would hate to be you desu.
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Filmfag here
First time being offered to shoot fashion. I know a lot of beginners start TFP, should I? Or is that a cope.
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>>3507833
>>3507813
not trying to feed the trolls and iam not the greatest advice giver but i will try my best formal speech

many of these FAGGOTS got the so called streetphotography totally wrong. it's really not about taking advance of candid moments or to be cool while being in the "streets" because
being in the streets is so raw and 10x more hardcore than tripod&macro photography of lady bugs fucking on some flowers.
it's about yourself as an individual...what are you trying to tell ? what are you seeking ?
what is the missing thing in your captured images ? what is your ambition ? why are you trying to capture those moments or things ? just to become a cool character or actually wanting to pointin out on some....issues maybe ?
answer it for yourself and then ask yourself if you're doing it the right way or just pointlessly hitting your advanced 35mm camera on people until you get some iconic image...

>>3507840
you got a digital camera ? do the main job with that one and use your filmcamera for some special shots
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>>3507811
I have plenty of sex with my qt3.14 bf thank you.
Why are people obsessed with obtaining a group identity, especially by means of something as dumb as a difference in medium to produce a photographic image? You don't see a #teamoilpastel in some dumbfuck twitter turfwar with #chalkgang. All it does is to provide clicks and an audience to unrelentingly talentless and fundamentally unremarkable people. Just take your fucking pictures, whatever they may be, and spend less time trying to build an identity out of it you useless bint.
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>>3507857
>qt3.14 bf
>is a faggot or a woman

I guess ill just chalk up your shit opinions to your mental illness.
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>>3507857
based
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>>3507865
have sex
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>>3507865
also, while you're at it, having some kind of argument would also be good too.
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>>3507879
Sorry (not really) youve been ostracized due to your sexuality (and rightfully so) but you dont have any semblance of community in your life so im not going to rely on you to tell me what one looks like. Jvpes makes videos that are absolute bangers and gets thousands and thousands of people juiced on film photography on a weekly basis. What have you done with photography other than document your waning mental health.

Please join the 42%
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>>3507841
Nope. Only film, probably would benefit from having a digital camera
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>>3507927
i became an exclusive filmfag myself since 2 years...i grab the fuji x-pro1 for jobs like shooting on events etc. or fashion/ portrait shootings. it gets the job done...
also most of the times i use a ttl flash from godox. it gets the job done
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>>3507833
What’s really sad is that the person keeping him from living the #minoltagang lifestyle...is himself.
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>>3507832
Well that entirely depends on what you're using it for.
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>>3507100

Wow, I am actually quite impressed, it holds up well at -2. That is just straight underexposing it right? Not pushing it?

I tried shooting Provia 100 pushed to 400 because someone here said it was good. Came out looking like SHIT.
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>>3507897
>he's good because he has viewers
>ad hominem
Still no arguments about why community is a something that should be sought after, what makes the film community a community. Just influencer cocksucking. Please mister influencer, tell me what is cool, tell me how I can be like you. I oh-so desperately need a feeling of acceptance from people who use the same tool as me for some reason.
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>>3508042
But that's why they're called "influencers", they influence people. People then want to follow these communities, because they are insecure.
Jvpes did as much for film as a medium, as everyone else here did - shooting it and keep a market demand. Apart from this, he just tried to influence people to earn money and that's it.
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>>3507301
I don't think there is a single FD zoom worth getting.
The 50mm f1.4 is pretty nice.
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>>3508067
The 35-105mm 3.5 is optically well regarded and often compared to L glass. Beast of a lens though.
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>>3504461
post more korean markets please, i love this
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>>3508076
>>3508067
Yup, I own the 35-105mm f3.5 and it's one of my favourite lenses ever. It's also great adapted to mirrorless, it's not too long and the constant aperture is fantastic. Make sure you get the version with the massive filter thread though, there's another version which sucks. Pic related is the one you want. It's easy to spot with the massive front element.

https://youtu.be/d5buz1hNA7s
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>>3508018
I make a lot of incorrect exposures, I waste a lot of money bracketing. Do you figure a spot meter will help me git gud?

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>>3508106
Just use your phone as a light meter or get a separate light meter if that's not cool enough for you. You're just looking for a reason to buy another camera because you're gear lusting. There's plenty of ways to get a correct exposure reading other than buying a whole other camera body.
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>>3508106
If you got a spot meter you'd be fucking up even more. Read up on how to meter using your center-weighted meter. For shooting straight at the sun like your image here, you'd want to overexpose by a stop or two by either opening up the aperture or shooting with a longer shutter speed.
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>>3508106
Spotmetering takes a ton of time to do well. I use a Minolta spotmeter myself and it's really more hassle than I'd enjoy. Getting rid of the spotmeter some day and just go for a built in lightmeter camera.

Spotmeters are not worth it especially when considering the price. I guess if you shoot large format it might be worth the time but shooting 6x7 I don't find it worth the time investment.
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>>3508025
Did the lab push-process it correctly? When I shot it the colors looked a little gross but not that bad considering it's your only option for ASA400 slide film.
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>>3507840
TFP work is pretty essential to building a portfolio unless you’re lucky enough to have landed an in house job.
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>>3508242
The other exception is hiring models
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Best place at Europe to get a Nikon FM2 serviced? Asking for a friend.
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>>3507793
Oh, okay. I thought they were sort of in the same price range. I think the R2 supports the Leica Visoflex though, not sure about the Rx A/M models.
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Hello people I wanna get into film, I have 2 Olympus om-10, are they worth anything or are they shitty ?

Alternatively, I know someone who has a mamiya c330, would it be worth trying to buy it from them ?
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>>3508293
the om-10 is a good camera. what lens do you own for the olympus ?
the c330 is a medium format camera, start with a 35mm first
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>>3508293
OM10s are perfectly capable cameras. The C330 is great but not the easiest camera for beginners and it is a bit bulkier and heavier than a small frame SLR.
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>>3508294
28 mm tokina, 50 mm zuiko, 135 mm vivitar and a fucked up 100-300mm tokina (won't focus past a meter)

Really I've been lucky enough that my grandparents took good care of it, it's got pretty much every accessory and it's in mint condition
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>>3508296
That's a good collectiion of primes, start with those.
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>>3508296
do as this anon said >>3508297
you don't need the 100-300 anyway..

put on the 50mm and shoot few rolls, you will love the standard 50mm focal length..
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>>3508297
Thanks a lot

Last question

What's a good film to use ? Found some Fuji superia along with the camera but it expired in 2010

Also, there's another obscure brand camera that I also found from the 50s, is it worth anything ? Pic related
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>>3508303
>
Shoot the superia, but overexpose it by one stop. Shoot some cheap colour films to start with & try black and white (ilford FP4, HP5 for example).
Didn't know the camera, but there is some stuff here: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Foca
No idea what it's worth though.



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