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Previous thread: >>3487649

All discussion and questions related to gear should take place in this exact thread.

Redirection and answering questions in this thread is encouraged.

And don't forget, be polite!
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First of all, I know nothing. Here's my questions

I got a Xiaomi Mi 6 (really bad camera) and a Nikon D7100 (with stock lens) at home which I never got to test properly and currently don't have access to (vacation)

>Is D7100 good? I usually take pictures of sky, something zoomed in or slow shutter stuff
>If it's not enough, any recommendations that's cheap and easy to carry?
>where should I go to learn about cameras/technical stuff?
>any good camera apps that will help Mi6?

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>>3491675
I'd stick with d7100. If you're willing to learn it's got everything you need, only when you personally know what are it's drawbacks, you should start looking to upgrade. You'll get nothing out of a new body otherwise.
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>>3491679
I see... I pretty much only did point & shoot with it just because I got frustrated from slow menus, that's a big problem for me. Can we uptade or do something to it?
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>>3491675
It's got an extra 100 over one of the best apsc cameras ever so, yeah?

Our lord and savior thy saturation be done Ken Rockwell-Sama

I'd say gcam or open camera. But its still a chinkshit phone, and you don't buy those for the camera.
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>>3491665

>mfw going spring diving tomorrow with Canon S90 in the Canon scuba case
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So i picked up 2 Minolta lenses from a tag sale the other week, (50mm AF f/1.7, and 70-210mm AF f/4) so i bought an adapter and stuck it on my micro 4 penis.
The 50mm shoots beautiful photos, and i really like it.
But the 70-210 is much harder to use because of its weight on my small micro 4 dicks, even with ibis.
Is there a cheap tripod or monopod that won't chink me?
With the 70-210mm and the em10 II, the weight is about 2.5lb or 700g.
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>>3491741
I paid a little over 100 bucks for a neewer carbon fiber tripod from amazon that’s been bretty good. I’m say check them out.
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>>3491756
Thanks, they seem like one of those legit chink brands.
I wonder what the amazon ones are made of.
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>>3491779
No problem. It was this one specifically.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NSEKEMO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_vsX.CbKZWC76H

Dunno about any of the amazon branded stuff, but I don’t think I’d go much cheaper than the neewer.
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>>3491741
Weight should make telephoto less prone to camera shake. It's focal length that creates blurry images, and you need some practise to make it work.
https://photographylife.com/tips-on-photographing-hand-held-with-telephoto-lenses
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>>3491682
Try and learn about different modes (Aperture and Shutter priority, Manual), learn about exposure triangle. Also, you don't really need to use menus all the time, people usually configure their dslr's once and then just do some tweaks if needed.
As for upgrades: 7100 is still very capable camera and only path i personally can think about is FF (something like D610 or D750). But i don't think you should bother with it yet. Just walk around with 7100, see if you like it, see if you wanna stick with dslr or if you need FF. Don't invest in any expensive glass yet. Time and patience fren.
Now, about xiaomeme 6. It camera somewhat decent, actually (for a phone). Try and shoot RAW with it. I think default camera app support that mode. If not, look int Camera2API.
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>>3491675
>>Is D7100 good?
I can't believe you're asking that, yes it is, very much so.
like the other anon said, the next logical upgrade is full-frame but I beg to differ, get better glass asap if you like the feeling of the d7100 body and don't bother with APS-C glass unless it's the 35mm dx prime.
>I usually take pictures of sky, something zoomed in or slow shutter stuff
well then you definitely do not need full frame or an upgrade at all, get the af-s NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G off ebay if you're absolutely going to buy something.
>>3491682
>I got frustrated from slow menus
well you're going to love the body then since it's a prosumer body, you won't need to go into menus, everything you need is on the outside.
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>>3491784
>>3491805
Thanks for the link guys, i'm going to do some forearm excercises if that helps with the shake. Lowering my heart bpm down to 50 helps a little.
Reading some of that guide now, wow that guy seems like he's shoots big game.
Tripod looks solid too.
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>>3491835
the shake comes from the legs when you have a proper grip, use your strap as well to stabilize.
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>>3491711
>It's got an extra 100 over one of the best apsc cameras ever so, yeah?
No idea what that means

>gcam/open camera
I still didn't rooted it, kind of scared actually
>>3491824
>modes
I pretty much knew them but never had to utilize, found the PDF manual and I'll learn all of them before getting the camera. Also I know about the triangle, it's magical lol
>upgrades
Okay, I'll stick with this for now. Got a message saying "D7100 is yours now" from my dad yesterday so I thought it's something bad and he's giving it to me instead of throwing it away.
>Xiaomeme6
It's not that bad but we can't say it's decent, there's a huge gap between it and Mi8 for whatever reason. I have to shoot in s/8/16 to take nice pics. Sadly it doesn't allows RAW and Camera2API requires root
>>3491833
>Asking this
Anon I know literally nothing. Do the glasses really make a big difference?
>using the body
I actually failed to adjust from body the last time I tried... But I'm sure the manual will help me about it.

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>>3491851
>Do the glasses really make a big difference?
He means glass as in lenses. Yes it makes a huge difference in terms of overall quality but you won't know how to utilize it until you know how to use the camera.
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>>3491876
>Whatever compact camera has largest sensor and best optics for your budget. Any proper camera will be better than a phone.
>(A good compact is probably more expensive than older 2nd hand interchangeable lens camera w kit lens. That's why you might want one instead.)
>Reason why phone camera sucks is tiny lens and tiny sensor which require excessive noise reduction and sharpening even with good light.
So that mean I should pick e.g. Fijifilm XF10 over Sony RX100 3 or Canon G7X/G9X II?What are the trade off of picking the XF10 over the other options, given their sensor size difference but with not that much difference in price?
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So, we agreed last thread that Pentax is a meme, rite?
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>>3491921
photography is a meme
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>>3491921
I asked that question last thread sincerely.
I held my friends pentax k1 and instantly fell in love, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money I can't let myself be guided by first amateur impressions.
Tbh it doesn't seem that bad from what other anons said, specially for someone starting like me, but I will wait a little and maybe try other cameras.
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>>3491942
Pentax fills a niche, has its own quirks, but can be pretty competitive with bigger brands.
Historically it's been one of the most innovative companies. It also offers great features in their entry-level cameras
>weather sealing in all of the current models
>IBIS in all K bodies offering stabilization even in old and adapted lenses
>Pixel Shift in latest models (K-3 II, K-1, K-70, KP) https://pixls.us/articles/rawtherapee-and-pentax-pixel-shift/
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Choosing my first FF body(my current camera is d7100) to work with manual glass(so i don't care about autofocus performance). I'm thinking about going mirrorless, so i have two main candidates - nikon d700 and sony a7 first gen(i'm poorfag from slavstan, so sorry anything newer is not on my budget). I've a small collection of ai nikkors and f mount ai/tamron mount with f mount adapter soviet glass and in the future i want to get film M mount rangefinder with some cheap glass(soviet ltm zeiss knockoffs, because i can get it here really cheap + 7artisans), so i think it would by nice to have two film bodies(i already own f90x) and use lenses from both systems on my digital camera(if i'll go with a7). How does evf of a7 first gen compare to ovf of d700? Is it bigger or smaller? Can i notice lag/low resolution? Which one will be better for MF(in case if i'll get focusing screen for d700)? Are a7 as durable as d700 is? How is a7 build quality compares to nikon dslr's at all? Is it flimsy, or it's built to last(like my f90x)? Are there any nuances on mounting nikon f/leica m glass on sony e? Post your thoughts on that, anon
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>>3491955
Pictures from the 200-600 looks slightly underwhelming. I'm honestly not sure what to think of it.
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>>3491957
A7 is more modern in image quality and features, focusing is of course much easier on evf. That said, D700 is an actual pro level camera. Original a7 is more like a first attempt prototype than anything. og a7 has a plastic lens mount, abysmal battery life, horrendous menu system that you'll need to use quite a bit, laughably bad af, no weather sealing to speak of. D700 survives warzones. And you can get a split prism focusing screen for the D700 to help with manual lenses.
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>>3491958

It's because 200 f/5.6 = nasty, and 600 f/6.3 = nasty. Great zoom range, but I wouldn't want to shoot against anything noisy like grass or branches.
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>>3491963
I'm just not sure what Sony is thinking. Sure you can shoot 1200mm with it using the 2X TC but what's the point at f13?
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>>3491964

Can you even use a TC on that one? I don't know anything about Sony lenses but don't see the point of doing so... I wouldn't even use a 2X TC on a f/4, but some people don't mind large drops in IQ from pushing optics beyond their limits.

I have tried both Nikon and Canon TCs, (1.4, 1.7, and 2) and they were all shit on anything slower than f/2.8.
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>>3491848
For me at least, i need to get a grip because the em10 mark ii does not have enough surface area for my right hand to be stable.
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I got given an XPro2 and already had the PEN F. I was going to sell the PEN but there;s something delightful about it that I can't put my finger on.
I know the XPro2 is better in pretty much every way but I just can't get rid of the PEN.
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>>3491957
>>3491960
Oh and about the evf, it's slightly larger in the a7 than in D700, but there certainly is a lot of lag, especially in dark conditions. Also there's a lot of lag in every thing you do in the sony. Every dial change will be laggy compared to the instantaneous changes in the nikon. It's incredibly frustrating.
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>>3491970
Not point selling it atm really, they're discontinued. Wait for hipster tax to hit in near future, then sell.
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>especially in dark conditions
Actually matters for me because i like shooting at night. How is evf compared to ovf at night? Is it really that bad? How is a7 high iso performance compared to d700(iso 3200-6400)?
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>>3491990
Isn't a new PEN supposed to come out this year?
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>>3491992
>>3491988
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Anyone have a suggestion on small protective cases for cameras?
I want to keep a camera in my backpack but don't want it just tumbling around in there. But I also don't want a big, bulky container to take up a bunch of space at the same time.
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>>3491960
>og a7 has plastic mount
Source on this?? Looking to buy one just for manual lenses and a7ii is out of my budget.
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>>3491988
>>3492006
>Every dial change will be laggy
I think that's a user error. It only lags when you have the LCD helper UI activated.
If you disable them the dial changes become instant.
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>>3492001
Don’t think it’ll be that soon. I thought they were going to announce it in November or something.
Mattius Burling posted a pen f on his Instagram so will definitely wait for that to drop when selling.
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>>3492013

Don't let it deter you, plastics have quietly come a long way. There's a reason why they are preferred over metals in many applications in every field from medicine to aerospace.

Not all plastics are equal... ones used in mounts are very resilient. One of my older zooms is a plastic mount and after being mounted and unmounted hundreds of times doesn't even have a scuff on it.
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>>3492013
It's not literally plastic but the mount on the original A7 was very flimsy and people had to buy third party reinforced mounts.
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>>3492013
https://www.outsidetheshot.com/all-of-the-problems-with-the-sony-a7/

It's pretty shit to be honest, probably one of the reason cam leaks water like crazy. What's probably making it worse is very think sheet of metal over all that plastic.
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i tried the whole nfc camera-to-phone transfer thing today from my rx100
seems like it can't transfer raws, shame. i don't want to pay for lightroom either, i'll have to figure out how to transfer the raws to my phone
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>>3492116
I think the nfc feature is so your phone can send those jpegs to social media.

Raws can be sent to your PC through your wifi router.
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So I am selling this tamron 17-50 1:2.8 LD XR Di II sp af lens
I put it up for 145$+shipping. Is that correct?

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$500 for a new T7i with the kit lens a good deal? No tax or shipping.
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>>3492119
If the rx100 works like my a7ii, then you can send RAW files to a phone over wifi too. It’s pretty handy.
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any of yall ever used a fuji gw690? (any of the three models) thots and opinions?
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>>3492126
Eh, I’d pay that for one in decent shape. Seems like a pretty good price to me.
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Guys I’m thinking about pulling the trigger on this. It must be an L lens but I don’t see a red ring???

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F323781987193
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>>3492140
Oops. Here’s the right link.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-2562A002-EF-28-135mm-f3-5-5-6-IS-USM-Standard-Zoom-Lens-for-Canon-SLR-Came/323781987193?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dd263294533af4b98b5e484ad0be95ecc%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D323781987193%26itm%3D323781987193&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A97102e77-8cb5-11e9-ae82-74dbd180185c%7Cparentrq%3A496889d916b0a4b7fd049fcaffe4abc7%7Ciid%3A1

So excited to get this that i messed up the link!
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>>3492141
Is this bait?
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>>3492141
>>3492143

Ebay seller was also so excited they added a zero
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>>3492131
the rx100 can send raw files? strange that the a6000 can only send jpegs.
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>>3492148
Dunno. I just know that the capability is there with some if their models.
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>>3492143
You’re just trying to trick me into not buying it so that you can get it! >:(
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>>3491964
>>3491963
Didn't you know the 150-600 is Sigma's 2nd most sold lens ever?
Also, Composition and framing is more important than bokeh.

Plus I thin it's the only zoom in that category that isn't a dustpumper.
Both the Sigma 150-600 and the Tamron 150-600 are dustpumpers.
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>>3491992
"Usable" D700 high iso tops at 3200 for me, your preference might be different, though higher isos will still look good in b&w. The a7 has much cleaner files overall. I'd say that ovf beats laggy evf at night any time. The trick here is not to look at bright displays (like the evf) or your phone, but let your eyes get used to the dark. Or wear an eye patch over one eye, like some navy seal sniper or something.
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>>3491955
The prime lens is a new type where they managed to shift most of the weight towards the back, and somehow get even better MTF chart than the previous generation.

It turns out having 1 single large element at the front made with super precision is better than 3-4 front elements with mediocre precision.
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>>3492170
>Didn't you know the 150-600 is Sigma's 2nd most sold lens ever?
Because Nikon and Canon equivalents are traditionally more expensive. Prices climb steeply at that point, so a lot of people get swayed into Sigma. Their sales have nothing to do with it how the lens works.

>composition and framing is more important than bokeh
You could have all of the above, as well as speed. If you're doing anything remotely fast action in less than perfect light, you're going to suffer with 5.6-6.3
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>>3492205
I think it's just a sort of compromise.
Smaller aperture means cheaper pricing, and lower weight. So it's for people who like more affordability.
Since this is internal zoom, it's an advantage to keep it compact.

The one without compromise is the prime lens.
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>>3492207
That's all I ever really say about gear; everything is a compromise in one way or another. If you want a faster lens then you have to make sacrifices regarding money, weight, and handling.
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>>3492205
there are no equivalents for Nikon and Canon.
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>>3492224

You know what I mean. The closest available. There's no exact equivalent because Canon and Nikon haven't been keen on compromising that much image quality thus far. Maybe that will change, but regardless 150-600 is such a massive range that it's better off split into different lenses. If done properly and put into low volume production it would probably be in the $30K range minimum.

Sigma and friends found their niche market, there's nothing wrong with that.
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>>3492170
I've seen a lot of pictures from the Sigma and I'm not entirely convinced by the IQ. On top of that it extends twice in length which is absolutely awkward and something I can't imagine working for me given the scenarios I'm usually in.
I'm currently torn between a number of different options that would give me more reach and this 200-600 5.6-6.3 Sony and an old Canon FD 300 2.8 are the front runners.
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>>3492225
>Canon and Nikon haven't been keen on compromising that much image quality thus far.
Canon and Nikon make shitloads of cheapo zooms for beginners. They just didn't think that anyone could by that big and expensive one. Also Canon doesn't want to cannibalize their telephoto prime sales.
Still, I've heard rumors that Canon is going to make their own version of this type of lens. Nikon already has 200-500mm.
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Are all the cheaper midrange zooms for full frame nikons fucking trash? Apparently all the cheaper Sigmas and Tamrons have focusing issues or some other stupid shit making them completely worthless but I can't afford dumping 1k into a lens.
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>>3492323
Well, the 24-70 f/4 S is pretty cheap if you get it in a Z6/Z7 kit and it's VERY good.
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can one turn off the lcd screen of the the G7X II while shooting? probably via a fn button?
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>>3492255

>Canon and Nikon make shitloads of cheapo zooms for beginners

Yeah, with reasonable zoom ranges. The 18-300 is ridiculous, but at least it's a functional range that casuals love; it covers everything and the average person on vacation with their kids won't need anything else. If either Canon or Nikon made a 150-600 or something similar, people would expect it to be good. That would make it expensive and therefore not a Sigma equivalent. They aren't going to put out garbage quality just to compete with a non-competitor. It just makes more sense to produce a 200-500.
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>>3492255
>going to make their own version of this type of lens
Yeah, who knows... maybe they will. Too slow for me though, no matter how high the optical quality ends up being.
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>>3492332

If I can't afford a lens on its own how on earth do you think I'll be able to afford a new body AND a new lens?
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>>3492355
I didn't tell him to go buy one, he asked if ALL "affordable" Nikon mid-range zooms are trash.
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>>3492323
not trash, but there isn’t a perfect pick. even the gold ring 24-70 doesn’t feel that much nicer than the 24-120 and you are paying out the ass
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Is this the best budget telephoto lens?
I'm just getting into photography as a hobby and will only be taking pictures in like parks and the zoo with this.
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>>3492448
No.
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>>3492448
If you've body stab you can get Olympuses 40-150 even for less. Both offer very good image quality for kit zooms. Drawback is a bit lousy af performance on both, and the fact that you need 300mm for most smaller birds.
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>>3492473
I see.
I'm not all too picky. Just started photography as a hobby and haven't fallen far in the rabbit hole yet.
But I'll check out the Olympus lens, too thanks.
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Looking to upgrade from my 70-210 f/4 to something a little longer but don't have a lot to spend. I also would like horizontal stabilization for panning shots. Slower lenses don't really matter, it will rarely be shot wide open.
I've pretty much come across the 70-300 IS USM f/4-5.6. Are there any other comporable options in the sub-$200 price range that I'm missing?
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P1000 worth it for birbs? I want that ultra zoom to take pics of far away birds that won't let me approach.
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what photographic related gear do I buy if I like to suck cock?
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>>3492692
Nikon P900
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>>3492692
Sigma
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I already have a 50mm 1.8 and an 18-55 kit lens for my crop body. Is it worth it to get a 24mm 2.8? I want something wider angle than the 50mm and wider aperture than the kit lens. I want to use it mainly for shooting portraits at wide open aperture. Also, I know shooting at a shorter focal length will get you facial distortion if you're doing headshot, but what if you're taking a head to waist shot? Is the facial distortion still noticeable?
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>>3492559
nah that's the best your gonna get, panning shots are still going to be hard depending on how fast you pan because it doesn't have the IS mode switch like the L series
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>>3492838
Anything round 35mm equivalent is perfect for kid's portraiture.
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Hey guys. Need a somewhat compact all round camera and thought of getting a used RX1R.
Is it still good, or are there better options in the price range?
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>>3492866
Shit battery life, and lousy lens, but it is compact ff.
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>>3492847
This does have the mode 1 and 2 switch which is why I was interested in it. As it is now I can't relaibly pan at 210mm with speeds slower than 1/80.
Looks like this'll have to do until I can afford L lenses.
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>>3492692
Fuji desu
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>>3492866
For the prices these go, I'd rather buy m43 and one of the voigtlanders.
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>>3492892
>and lousy lens
bait
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>>3492919
You can't have a good compact wide lens. Physically impossible. Reviewers are giving it slack since it's point and shoot, but you better Samyang wides for ff.
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>>3492926
Not him but you are completely wrong and bigoted.

For one, the optics dig into the body, so the glass parts are actually bigger than you think they are.
Two, it very much is possible to have good compact wide lens. Zeiss Loxia has proven this.
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>>3492908
Well fuck me now I feel dumb for buying the new version which just has the stupid lcd
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Is Sony a meme?
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>>3492970
They are one of the few companies not drowning.

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>>3492977
What about Pentax?
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>>3492989
They are not really a part of the mainstream camera market.
Usually too small to be in these charts.
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>>3491955
>1.5 f/stops
>that'll be $11000 plus tip
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>>3492995
You would think thy are outrageously priced, but in reality they can't manufacture enough of them.
>But after we launched the 400mm, we have seen demand from many of the top sports photographers working at large events.
>Almost 70% of the [customer base] for that lens are professionals. Availability is still capped - there is a long waiting list.
The front of the lens consist of only 1 element as you can see
>>3492192
So it needs to be made with far higher precision than normal. That means a lot of discarded elements during production, pushing the cost upwards.
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>>3492977
What the fuck is Sales Value. What kind of retarded metric is this?
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Are there any super wide angle lenses (think 10 - 15mm) that are faster than f/ 3.5?
I love my EF-S 10-18 but f/ 3.5-4.5 is fucking killing me.
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>>3493095
tokina 11-16 2.8
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>>3493055
It means it's better to sell ten 2000 dollar cameras than five 1000 dollar cameras.
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>>3493098
Looks like a false value then. You'd need to know profit margins to calculate something like that.
(t. marketing background)
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>>3493116
The profit margins doesn't change all that drastically over one year an another. So the % is still telling.
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>>3493117
You don't know profit margin. For all we know one brand is selling their cameras at a loss and the other is having 50% margin. Pointless numbers.
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>>3492931
Look at the mft charts... It's shitty lens at the corners, Samyang 35mm indeed beats it.
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Hi everyone, I want to get into photography so I'm looking to buy my first camera, I want to put around 500€ in it do you have any suggestions ?
What should I look for in a camera ? How do I know which one is good and which is bullshit ?
Do you have any websites to recommend to compare different camera, also there's this deal that seems pretty good, but I'm worried it's a shit camera. What do you guys think?
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Plan on buying a X-T3. What lenses should I get if I want to shot street and portrait. Is the 18-55 kit decent for street? 56 1.2 looks nice but expensive, could a 50 f2 suffice? Maybe one of those Chinese manual focus lenses?
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So, I've had my canon rebel xsi for years. I want to get another lens that isn't the kit one. What would be a good budget friendly option for macro photography?
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>>3493127
Instead if buying a low end model like that new, check out Canon’s refurb site (if available in your country) or find a good second hand seller that offers a warranty for a better body.
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Does anyone know of good alternatives to the nikon Mh-25 charger? I've just had my 3rd randomly break.
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>>3493127
2000d/t7 is pretty good beginner DSLR
skip on the 75~300 kit tho because the 70~300 is garbage

>>3493177
the only budget friendly macro is the EF-S 35mm and its 300$
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>>3493193
Try the Tamron SP 90/2.8, the older film era AF ones like the 72E/172E or "digital adjusted" (same as the old ones) 272E
There is the Sigma 105/2.8 as well
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>>3493200
why would i bother with either of those when they cost as much or more than the canon 100mm f2.8 non L
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>>3493182
I have some random USB charger from ebay which so far has worked fine with my Nikon and Sony batteries. How the fuck do you keep on breaking chargers.
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>>3493182
>>3493208
Aparently this is actually a common issue
https://timwolverson.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/how-to-repair-a-nikon-mh-25-battery-charger/
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>>3493193
Damn. Thanks for the recommendation though!
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>>3492226
It is tiny as fuck at 600mm.
But the Sigma is more compact when collapsed.

And the weight is an improvement as well.
Sigma 150-600 S: 2860 gram
Sony 200-600: 2120 gram

Removing that 150-199mm range made it a little bit lighter, shorter and less front Heavy.
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>>3493127
500 euro is quite a significant amount to put into your first camera; don't fall for this deal - the camera itself isn't terrible, but the lenses aren't worth it for the money. As before noted, the 70-300 is garbage, especially on that camera.

From your perspective, the sensor is one of the least important factors. What is most important is the size and construction. This means it is ok to buy a camera that is a little older if it's design is still high quality. If it is your first camera, you may be more suited to an advanced compact with a fixed - non interchangable lens - this keeps the size of the camera down, meaning you are more likely to take the camera with you when you leave, and the lens will almost always be of a quality suitable for the performance of the rest of the camera. The problem with buying an entry level DLSR as in your example, is that a poor kit lens compromises the entire experience - the image quality, the handling, ability to shoot in low light and so on.

If you want a really compact camera, look into the Ricoh GR (prime lens) or the Sony RX100 series (zoom lens). If you want a semi-compact camera, look into the Fujifilm X100 (prime lens) or the Panasonic LX-100 (a really good all rounder with a zoom lens)

Only get into an interchangeable lens camera if you want to keep investing money in your equipment. I wouldn't just stick with the kit lens. It defeats the point of having interchangeable lenses.

If you do want an interchangeable lens camera, I would reccomend not getting a DSLR to start with. This is because cheap DSLRs are much more compromised than cheap Mirrorless cameras. The viewfinders are tiny, the camera bodies are plasticy, the autofocus is gimped, and it won't fit in your jacket pocket.

If you're willing to buy second hand, that 500 euro can go really, really far. You can get ~5 year old semi-pro gear that is a pleasure to use. Then we can recommend you some good stuff, otherwise your choices are limited.
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>>3493177

>>3493193
>>3493200
You're all missing the (admittedly little known) EF-S 60mm. It should be possible to get one on ebay for less than $200.
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>>3493228
I'm sort of in the same boat as >>3493127. Similar budget, maybe a bit less. In fact, I'd prefer to go for second-hand gear. Any and all advice would be extremely appreciated.
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>>3493228
to be fair there is nothing wrong with the EF-S 18~55 kit lens besides terrible manual focus because the whole front of the lens rotates and is very wobbly

If I where to start again I would still buy a Rebel body only and the EF-S 18~135
I still might buy a used EF-S 18~135 because I get tired of changing between the EF-S 18~55 and the EF 70~300 IS USM II when walking around.
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>>3493096
Constant fstop of nice, what other alternatives are there out there?
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>>3493227
I'll just wait till the reviews come out. I don't see myself pre-ordering a $2000 lens that will then turn out to have sub-par IQ. In that case I'd be better off with the old Canon 300 2.8.
I also need to start looking for a good quality camera bag. What would /p/ recommend? Manfrotto or LowePro?
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>>3493339
MTF for the prime lens:
https://www.sony.com/image/25be3142ea10fd4ac43f36ef7d48ede4?fmt=png-alpha&wid=600

MTF for the zoom:
https://www.sony.com/image/c5224c281aea718204d5e78d30f2bb6e?fmt=jpeg&wid=600

It looks promising, but it sure as hell isn't going to be the same image quality as the Prime lens.
That thing is full contrast across the frame.
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>>3493340
I'm mostly worried about the ISO performance of my Sony A7II at F6.3 at high speed. I'm worried it's going to be a hot mess.
The MTF charts look good, but that's not really something I'm going to be concerned with in the field.
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Where is the fish related-ness?

Here have a fish everyone likes

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Does anyone else have motion sickness when looking through an evf?
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>>3493373
when playing with the sony shit at best buy i felt the IBIS through the EVF to be a little disorienting
but i dont get motion sickness
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Bought the sigma 16mm 1.4 to film YouTube videos with. Get tired of hauling my spare a6000 around with me, especially no flip up screen. Should I sell the lens to buy the DJi action cam for videos? It's easier to carry.
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>>3493127
Remember to budget in an extra battery.
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>>3493127
Go to a reputable camera shop is you can and buy used.
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If I'm buying a new camera, is there any point in investing in Sony Full frame? Is APSC dying?
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>>3493656
Shit, I meant to ask, I there any point in investing in anything other than Sony Full Frame?
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>>3493658
They can easily turn around and revive their APS-C if that's what you meant to ask.

I think it's just a matter of time until they relealise they are losing APS-C sales to other brands.
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I've had my camera for around 6 months now (canon t6 - I know, but it was cheap) and, since I'm about to travel for a few days, I'm thinking about buying a prime. The nifty fifty looks like the obvious choice, but the 40mm 2.8 is not that different, and seems to be far more discreet. Since I'll be visiting a not-so-safe city (I live in Brazil), a camera insurance goes without saying. Nevertheless, considering that I'll be taking tourist-y photos (girlfriend and I in the old part of town) what would you recommend? A more discreet 2.8, or an average looking 1.8?
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>>3493661
Can’t go wrong with the 50mm. Not that great wide open, but the 1.8 is there if you need it.

If you have your heart set on a pancake, do the EF-S 24mm. It’s awesome for just walking around if you’ve got a crop body.
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>>3493662
>>3493661
I would second the 24mm honestly
Feels like you'd benefit from the wider lens for capturing tight city streets

But 50mm is always neat
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>>3493662
>>3493663
Thank you for the input; I hadn't considered the 24mm, but it does look nice. Now the issue became 50mm or 24mm. I'll try to get them both, but if money can't go that far... What would you buy? Of course, I can always take the kit lens with me, but I'd love to take only primes (or would having the kit lens nearby be a good idea? I'll take any advices I can get).
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Don't want to make a new thread for this. Ricoh/Pentax is rumored to have bought into a sizeable stack of Sony BSI sensors in the APS-C format, 26MP, PDAF etc...
So it is expected for a new APS-C line, K-3III or KPII to be announced soonish.
https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/06/14/ricoh-pentax-rumored-to-be-buying-26mp-aps-c-sensors-for-a-new-dslr-camera/
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>>3493668
Also looking more into the sensor specs it seems like it is primarily a mirrorless oriented sensor with integrated PDAF sites, continuous readout without blackout for EVFs etc... seems odd to buy such a feature packed sensor for a DSLR, it would've been much cheaper to get a more conventional DSLR design without PDAF sites and normal readout.
Since Ricoh said it doesn't want to jump into the current MILC fad and continues to make DSLRs, if this MILC sensor will be fully used to its potential, we could be seeing a hybrid DSLR with a hybrid OVF that can be used as a conventional DSLR with focusing with the cheap separate PDAF and it can switch into EVF mode and focus with the on-sensor PDAF for more demanding continuous tracking focus.
All Pentax needs is some fast focusing telephoto lenses and it can be a solid entry into the sports and wildlife scene, we know they have the rugged design for it already.
This might be interesting with the new FF MILC scene with Nikon and Canon are falling short of what was expected (seems like people don't like to buy the same lenses again or buy heavier and more expensive lenses to do the same their lighter and cheaper APS-C system does)
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>>3493668
Looks like the XT-3 sensor.

>>3493677
I don't believe in any of the hubrid OVF rumors. But
>and it can switch into EVF mode and focus with the on-sensor PDAF for more demanding continuous tracking focus
This one I believe in.
And it's actually what I have been recommending Pentax to do all along.
Improve their AF technology so it works for video as well as stills.



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