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>>1615329
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No longer looks like a penis.
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>>1615334
Well...I don't know what to tell you, anon.
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>>1615337
I apologize; that was an older picture (Thursday). This is what it looks like now; kinda like a scrotum; much more pleasing.
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frost is probably coming next weekend
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>>1615358
Ah, lucky you. The furthest all of mine got were about your left side second to last. Still rich green, only one with barely any orange on it. Maybe the sun killed the mildew. I doubt it though. And if it didn't, the 48 degree low coming this Thursday surely will.
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>>1615365
I take that back, it's a 44 low on Friday.
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I don't know if these squash are ripe enough, but the vines were pretty much dead

also another pepper crop

>>1615365
welp it looks to be getting into the 30s on sunday
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My beautiful chicken... HES NOW DEAD
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I dug up my wild "garlic" and it seems to be more akin to pearl onion, rather than the garlic cloves I was expecting. I removed the fibrous outer layer from them, without considering that it might be needed for protection if I replanted. Anyone who grows onions know if alliums can be planted without their papery skin? Do they grow new ones or are these guys fucked? I could always grow more, but these are the most mature bulbs I have and I'd like to grow them as old and big as I can.
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I asked it as the last tread was dying so I'll ask again:

Anyone here have any experience with walipini/pit-greenhouses? I'm thinking of digging one to see if I can grow throughout the winter. I'm in USDA zone 8a, ~31.5deg N.
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>>1615394
I'm sorry bro. A lot of dying this time of year, it seems.
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Chicken soup time
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>>1615394
did he disrespect a high ranking member of the mafia?
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>>1615411
You put sprite in your soup?
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>>1615447
Obey Your Thirst
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>>1610500
So I bought cyonara 9.7 for a love bug swarm issue we've had. Would this work for aphids? In the early stages I used neem oil and copper fungicide, both are supposed to deal with aphids.
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Now I can mix this compost real good.
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My tomato plant broke, you think it will be fine if I leave it like this or should I get rid of it?
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>>1615513
I've got a front tine

will probably till everything before winter, but not there yet

>>1615515
they can heal; I've had ones that split from the weight, but kept growing
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>>1615370
Those look good and most of the butternut squash looks ripe.

>>1615394
Hawk attack?

>>1615405
>Anyone who grows onions know if alliums can be planted without their papery skin?
They can, but make sure to allow them to dry out a bit prior to replanting. That way they won't start rotting right away.

>>1615406
They are good for cold areas or when you want to use them through winter. You just need to make damn sure that drainage is correctly diverted away or you'll end up with a pond. Don't rely on a sump pump as your main way of removing water build up.

>>1615495
>Would this work for aphids?
I think the cyonara lawn & garden version works for aphids, but no clue about 9.7
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>>1615517
should be fine. even if it breaks, there's a high chance it will just grow a new shoot somewhere.

pic related is my fucker, you can see where i cut it and it's growing a new shoot there even after it already grew a new shoot a few nodes down to replace the first one i cut.
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my beppers are really starting to mature once they got back in warmth! guess it's time to make a hot sauce now that i have more than a handful to pick at the same time
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>>1615551
>>1615581
Alright thanks
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>>1615394
>sleep well beautiful chicken
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Pulled down the most of the dead plants. Greenhouse still going strong. Gonna plant some late kale, spanich etc. Makeing lots of hots sauce and canning apples as fas as I can.
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Plant chard!
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My tomato is still scrwy.. more leaves are wilting and more spots came up. Is this still transplant shock? I am worried it's basically dead.
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>>1615689
Guys I'm pretty sure this is a fungus.. I just ordered fungicide and it arrives tomorrow can I expect my tomato to live until then?
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Can you get a more focused pic pls
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>>1615714
Damn. How much of the plant is like that?
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>>1615717
It was half now it is all of it. This is my first tomato and I am lost..
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Got me a noisey cricket
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>>1615582
Just curious as to how you tie your pepper plant stalks to the guide sticks.
I have a pepper plant that is growing sideways and I need to correct it ASAP but am worried about breaking it.
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I would like to grow some hardneck garlic indoors as I hear October is the best time to start them.
Anyone have any tips? Can I use regular premium potting mix that I have lying around?
Will it stink up my tiny apartment?
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Anyone ever tried growing a single basil plant in as much space as it wants? Can a single plant or a few plants grow to give enough leaves for regular harvest? The grocery store pots are always overcrowded as fuck, but maybe that is the only efficient way to grow it.
>>1615561
>They can, but make sure to allow them to dry out a bit prior to replanting. That way they won't start rotting right away.

Thanks, I'll leave them in a cool dry place for a week or so and see what happens.
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>>1615742
i use plastic coated metal gardening wire cut and bent into loops.
if you need to bend things back it's probably better to use thicker natural wire/rope.
also tie it off something in the direction you need to correct like a wall or pole instead of a stick in the pot.
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>>1615752
>Anyone ever tried growing a single basil plant in as much space as it wants?
You’ll end of with a 3-4+ foot high bush within a couple months next spring if the weather is favorable. It’s pretty easily damaged by cold though.
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>>1615782
Neat, I'm gonna try growing it indoors under a grow light
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>>1615551
>I've got a front tine
I had one before but I did not like how much I had to man handle it. This one crawls along under its own power. Found it for $20 without a motor on Craigslist!
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>>1615790
I hear that

I think I paid $50
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>>1615752
I’m trying it right now
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>>1615738
proper footwear too
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>>1615738
>speed tiller
>seed depth from 1/4" to 14"
My brother used one of those to install a phone line in his yard to his work shed.
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>>1615714
Most likely lost leaves. Is the center tip okay? If not then it may not recover. It looks like root/sun/heat/root burn damage that is hitting it hard and fast from something extreme.
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is it possible to grow wheat for home consumption?
can i grow it on a small tract and bake stuff from it after harvest?or is it not worth the effort?
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>>1615826
>is it possible to grow wheat for home consumption?
Yup. Going from harvest to plate is quite a bit of work. In fact the phrase, "the daily grind," refers to the act of grinding wheat for the daily meals. Good quality grain mills are quite expensive($400-$1,200USD) and using only a mortar and pestle is like way way too much work even for 1 loaf of bread. You can DIY a millstone if you have access to the correct stone type and have the tools, time, and skill needed to work the stone (pic). The latter are really the most satisfying. Word of warning, if you get a millstone similar to the one in this webm, it must be this size or larger. The smaller stone millstones are just too small to work well for the amount of effort you put into the actual grinding process. The metal handcrank grain mills are usually just fine (like Country Living, Diamant, Lehman's, or Grainmaker brands,) but read reviews to know their quirks.

It is just cutting(sickle or scythe), threshing(threshing flail or machine), hulling(fuck that, only grow hull-less cultivars[Barley] or use a machine), and grinding(as mentioned above). Most mechanical things come in electric and manual crank versions.

Once you know what you are doing and have the proper tools to work the grain from harvest to plate you may find that it really isn't too difficult. It just sounds like tons of work and for the ill-prepared or unskilled it will be tons of work. With experience and the right tools it can be worth it.
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>>1615841
Thanks. will save this
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>>1615847
You should also know that under optimal conditions, you can get around 1 loaf of bread per 10 square feet of wheat. It will depend on how well the wheat yields and how close it is grown.
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Now this definitely looks like a penis.
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if I get a jar like this. cut off the bottom, maybe drill holes on the sides, and burying it up to the lid in my garden bed or near trees. then unscrewing the lid to dump food scraps etc. would that simulate burying scraps to fertilize plants?

I CBF digging holes all the time which is why way thinking of burying a jar with a screw lid.
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frost advisory tonight
got everything covered, hopefully they're okay
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using this diagram. where/how do tomato plants generally grow off the plant?
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>>1615977
The red circles are where the suckers grow. That is where a big leaf meets the stem, right on top of that join.
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>>1615974
You mean for "side dressing" fertilizer? Yeah, that would work. The lid will help keep animals out too.
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>>1616028
yeah but where do the tomato's grow?

if someone can mark it like where the suckers were marked. or describe where they grow
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>>1616033
The tomatoes grow on the trusses between two leaves on the main stalk.
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>>1615406
theyre cheap as long as labour is free but holy fuck do they take a lot of work compared to a properly insulated greenhouse
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>>1615447
you dont?
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>>1616033
you can identify the suckers as the branches that have flowers. those are the ones that will grow your tomatoes
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>>1616054

if it's the suckers that grow tomato's then how come people prune them off?
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from /fa/ here. what shoes would look good beat up to wear while gardening?
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>>1616092
Croc's unironically. Buy a chinese off brand
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>>1616092
I wear ropers or crocs (closed toe or flip-flop)
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My father made me a raised bed to start plants in next year. He and I had different ideas as to what the bed was to look like, but I think it'll do fine at least as a starter. Gonna get cold soon, most of my planting and harvesting is all done until next.
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is this a legit way of gardening?

https://youtu.be/p-kcnRrKrGI

I work at a thrift store so have access to a ton of tubs and plastic containers as well as paper that can be shredded

main thing I don't have access to is woodchips. would paper work as a replacement?

she seems to have a shit ton of these tubs going to plant in

I also have a compost bin where I add shit too every week. its starting to break down. should I use what's already in there to make these tubs or even start up garden bed and use it as fill?
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when I got into gardening at the start of the year I bought some of this expandable coconut coir stuff

how do I use it and incorporate it on my garden?
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>>1616083
See: >>1616039

>>1616054
All suckers can grow tomatoes since all suckers can grow into new plants, but itis the trusses that strictly grow tomatoes and you don't need suckers for that on indeterminate tomato cultivars.
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Bare feet.
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has anyone tried these fiskars weeding tools

are the legit and would it work on toughish soil?
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>>1616223
I've not used those, but I've been designing something very similar. It looks like it'd work well for things like young dandelions, buttercup, small clumping grass, and anything that has a single semi-shallow. However, I'd just get this for $100 less,

https://www.amazon.com/Grampas-Weeder-CW-01-Original-Remover/dp/B001D1FFZA
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>>1616220
Personally I wear toe shoes.

Hear me out, they're a comfy, form fitting, minimalist footwear that drys out quickly, and still let's you feel the dirt between your toes while offering some minimal protection.
I also use these as wet shoes, for water sports and such. Great for stoney beaches.
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>>1616223
fiskars is pretty solid brand. but no personal experience with that specific one tho.

t. swede
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>>1616180
You get a big container of water and toss it in
Once it expands you can use it as a potting mix or use it like you would peat moss on a raised bed or as an amendment for the in ground soil
Coco coir is usually inert so you need to add some type of fertilizer or compost but with the stuff you bought they have seem to have added some
I personally use it as a potting mix and I like it because it’s inert, it really lets you know if a fertilizer program is working or not
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So I live in a trailer park and want to grow some peppers next season
Torn between buying around 12 pots or just building a raised bed
Which would be the better option?
I want to plant around 4 Serrano, 4 Cayenne, and 4 Fireball peppers (and maybe some other ones like Thai if I have the room)
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>>1616345
>Which would be the better option?
With pots you can move them around and water them from below which I have read peppers like more as it mimics best their natural habitat.
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New harvest.

Cayennes are soil
Trinidad Scorpions are Kratky
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>>1616345
>>1616383
I would say if doing pots try some fabric/softsided ones
Much better root structure
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>>1616383
>I have read peppers like more as it mimics best their natural habitat.
source?
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>>1616164
Why not start winter crops in it now? Google what your climate zone is and what is best to plant at this time of the year.
>>1616388
Post plants, your pics are always of your harvests.
>>1616345
A 6'x3'×3.5' bed is pretty good for 4 pepper plants. I would do a couple of raised beds and maybe a few pots. It really depends on how much room you have and if you want the ability to move them incase of weather and such.
>>1616092
>>1616137
>>1616141
>>1616220
>>1616253
Based. I usually am barefoot or wear vans.
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>>1616533
>Post plants, your pics are always of your harvests.
I did post photos of the plants no long ago but will try to make new ones tomorrow.
Meanwhile here is the photo with the largest number of plants visible.
From left to right:
Three Cayenne plants in a single fabric pot from leftover seedling my mother did not want to kill. I believe the single fat Cayenne from harvest photo comes from these plants.
Next one at back a kratky Trinidad scorpion. Pods are ripening but not ready on this one.
Next two Trinidad scorpion each on its own fabric pot. Already harvesting from this two and many more pods on their way.
The last two also kratky Trinidad scorpions. The most productive of them all. I would say 85% of all Trinidad scorpions pods harvested so far come from these two and from those 70% come from the rightmost one.
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>>1616412
Sadly I do not remember but it was a comment made from a commercial pepper farm (either from some kind of literature or a jewtube channel) so I gave it a high degree of credibility.
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>>1616545
big healthy plants. how old are they? how'd you get them to branch so close to the bottom on the kratky one?
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>>1615814
That's a decent size. Guessing it's pretty hot and dry where you are since it started flowering.
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>>1616550
Anytime I hear the notion that "doing X is best because it's what happens in nature or their natural habitat" I almost have to disregard it as nature can be a complete hellscape and doing the same as nature doesn't always bring out full potential
Hydroponics has taught us that plants have the potential for a hell of alot more if we fully appease the plants needs instead of intimating nature
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slowly taking some of my plants inside before it freezes
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This just popped up on my bell pepper leaf.. what is this
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>>1616533
>Why not start winter crops in it now?
That's..not a bad idea. Hm.
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can you add weeds to a compost bin if you cut off the tips and root ball?
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>>1616788
Yes. You can also use the Berkley method.
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growing some Ishikura onion.

how do you guys space them? also do you clump a bunch together or sit them all individually

also when harvesting, if you snip the tops do they grow back or are the a one pull sort of vegetable
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if you wanted to build an off grid house with traditional materials and methods what would be the best way to build a house that uses no metal nails at all? especially in the roof
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>>1616808
>>>/diy/
Tiled roof. They are heavy and just hang on the slats. The rest that might need fasteners can use pegs and/or joinery. Metal nails are a fairly new technology in the amount they are used today that is.
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what are some edible foods that I can grow in my more shaded area (which has the best soil on the property btw)

so far I have lettuce and carrots growing there. both being growth there since like april or may lmao

been picking and eating the lettuce for the past week.


would onions or spring onions do well there? probably get sun for a few hours in the morning and like 1 hour in the afternoon

or is lettuce the only option?
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found a plant growing with tendrils. not sure if it's pumpkin or watermelon or something else.
can anyone identify it from this leaf. i would like to plan for it if i knew what it was.
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are the any cons to using transparent/semi-transparent tubs/containers for Antony as opposed to opaqe
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>>1616904
You can try, but onions like lots of light. Cole crops usually do well in cooler places like those with a bit of shade. Peas seem to do okay in partial shade. Mushrooms are a perfect thing to grow in heavy shade. Some berry shrubs and briars are good with partial shade too,
https://growagoodlife.com/vegetables-that-grow-in-shade/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_gardening

>>1616934
Probably a squash type.

>>1616939
The plastic usually becomes brittle in the sun, if they are HDPE. There's not too much of a problem with other plastics. I find that algae and moss tend to grow where ever the light reaches along the sides of the soil under the plastic.
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>>1616533
>Post plants
New photo set taken today

>>1616559
Seeds germination was in the 2nd to 4th week of February. I did top some of the peppers when in the seedling stage. The branching is the result.


>Photo is 3 Cayenne in soil.
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>>1617056

Very badly damaged by wind Trinidad Scorpion on kratky.
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>>1617058
Two Cayenne sharing a kratky reservoir.
Without the frame and the counter-weight it will fall over.
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>>1617061

same description >>1616545
apply

You can see the overproduction of pods its taking its toll on the plants.
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>>1617056
>Seeds germination was in the 2nd to 4th week of February. I did top some of the peppers when in the seedling stage. The branching is the result.
i'll try topping mine next season and get way bigger pots aswell (used tiny 5L ones this as it's my first time growing and lack space).
should hopefully make mine as bushy and big as yours.

also bought this nice fermentation set with like 40% discount and a lot of my peppers started maturing once i got them in from the cold, so i guess it's hot sauce time soon!
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>>1615329
Anybody know what these are?
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>>1617151
Bug nymphs, but not sure what speices. Kill on sight.
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Left to right,
1: Chard bed after tomatillos were removed. I have a dehydrator full of tomatillos right now.
2: Spearmint, Mountain Mint & Lemon Mint
3: Remains of tomato plants barely hanging on in the cold weather.
4: Solarizing this bed, soon to be garlic bed again.
5: Peppermint cuttings under sheet, catnip and grapevines ready to be moved.
6: Peppers, peppers, peppers! They are doing very well, in the polytunnel, despite the cold nights.
7: Peanuts and Sweet potatoes.
8: Fallow bed, formerly elephant garlic.
9: 6lbs of peppers.

>>1616174
>is this a legit way of gardening?
Of course. Yes, paper can work and it should be shredded for best breakdown when composting. You may prefer the, "lasagna gardening method."

>>1616599
>>1616388
>*Ring_of_Fire_by_Johnny_Cash.ogg plays in the background*

>>1616603
It reminds me of heat damage when a leaf touches something too hot like black plastic in the sun or touches the underside of the clear plastic in my polytunnels during hot weather. I'm inclined to think it is a form of physical damage, but with the quality of the photo and not being able to check anything else in the environment, who knows.

>>1616690 to >>1616704
They look good, how much of the season is left in your area?

>>1617056 to >>1617064
You've been doing rather well with those. Between those results and anon's lettuce results, if I were strapped for good soil I'd start using the Kratky method too.

>You can see the overproduction of pods its taking its toll on the plants.
They need ferts. The ones with soil probably needs more nitrogen the most. With that amount of algae at the bottom, it can really suck out the fertilizer, especially nitrogen, hence the leaf color changing. Also, the presence of algae may also indicate that section is remaining a bit too wet, most likely due to their trays. You can alleviate that by placing some stones under the bags to lift them up just a wee bit from the trays to ensure extra water can drain out that last little bit.
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>>1617179
>They look good, how much of the season is left in your area?
48 tomorrow night, 43 Friday night. Assuming these temps don't kill them, then the end of October/first week of November.
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>>1617279
i had almost freezing for a week and my boys survived, just dropping some leaves and pods from the temp diff shock but nothing serious.
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everything survived the possible frost....supposed to drop down next week though, highs only in the 50s

mushroom time!
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>>1617304
I believe pumpkin plants are much more sensitive to the cold than pepper plants. It'll be a miracle if they actually survive through the cold front weekend. It's just so out of the blue, cause it's back to the low-mid 50's after that.
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>>1617347
ah i missed the pumpkin part. you probably know more about those than me (i dont know shit)
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>>1617356
Yeah, I'm basically boned and nothing short of divine intervention at this point will save them. They're basically permanently infected with the powdery mildew at this point. I tried to remove the majority of infected leaves, but they're just too spread out, and to make matters even worse, it just had to be windy today, which means the mildew is rubbed and spread to even more leaves. If the plants don't die over the weekend, they will die the slow death over the next few weeks. But if I think about it, I only need about 2-3 more weeks.

I don't know. Like I said, short of some kind of intervention or miracle, my plants are doomed just before proper maturity. As the old adage goes, so close yet so far.
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Stay warm fellow northerners. Keeping the green going as long as I can.
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My tomatoes seem to have been infected with septoria fungus.. will daconil take care of it? How have you guys handled septoria?
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Is it okay to dig up my lawn to help fill planter boxes or will grass end up growing through it?
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>>1615329
I fertilized my chili plants with cow poop and now there's mushrooms growing there. They seem to have no effect on the plant as it still works. They are dark brown with light brown gills. Pics following soon
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Can anyone help me identify which seeds have germinated in this pic? My seedling trays got blown over and I shoved the soil back in but everything was mixed up. The seeds that were in there were:

Tomato
Capsicum
Eggplant
Broccoli
Watermelon
Rockmelon
zucchini
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this is my raised bed so far

surrounding it, is shit soil that only grows weeds and is very very difficult to dig even with picks and stuff. just very hard to penetrate. is there anything (cost effective) I can do over time to make the surrounding areas more usable or to make the soil underneath more softer and easier to dig? if I wanted to use that area to plant?

when I was a kid my dad used to dump all of those weed clippings on the side of the house which resulted in the soil underneath being very soft. downside though was that it is the side that doesn't get much light.

I have a compost bin going (incomplete compost) currently. if I were to start a new bed or planting area should I just dump its contents in the area and hope for the best letting it break down on that area??

or should I move.my compost bin more towards that are to feed the found around it? would that make it more usable?
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>>1617555
Youll need to weed heavily at first. But once those surface seeds are gone is shouldnt be bad. You might want to buy some compost and perlite to mix in.
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hello newbie here. what else can I do to ”actively garden” while I'm waiting for stuff to grow?

right now I'm scrounging for paper and stuff to rip up for the compost bin
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>>1617614
think you gotta till it at least once and mix in different soil if you want to change it.
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>>1617618
More information please.
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>>1617617
what if i dug out the top two inches or so and used the soil underneath? i plan on mixing it with compost already its just that i didnt realise how fucking much material you need to fill these fuckin boxes.
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should I get one? they're $800aud-ish down here in Australia lol
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>>1617618
Wtf is actively gardening? You could stake your shit or make things prettier
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>>1614606
calling on your help again if you're around (or anything else that knows).

do you think this driver-less COB will flicker like my other light?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000096787572.html
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>>1617639
i think he means actually doing shit in the garden and not just watching it grow
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>>1617622
>>1617639

yeah basically this >>1617642
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>>1617645
uhhhh... pull weeds... mix the compost pile... pruning... watering.... spray insect-/fungicide... relax and have a drink and admire plants
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>>1617614
>shit soil
>cost effective

The best solution is composting and mulch. Leaves and grass/weed cuttings are free (suburban boomers will even bag them up and leave them out for you), but it will take a while before this actually builds fertility in the soil and some people think it's unsightly. The next cheapest option would be to throw whatever compost you have on top, till it if you have the means, then mulch over it. This is my MO for establishing a garden over my 2 acres. Slowly but steadily digging holes through the compacted dirt, filling them back up with plants and compost, then mulching them with leaves and grass has noticeably increased the fertility and loaminess of the surrounding soil. Don't forget to use diluted piss too.
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>>1617653
>spray

You take that back.
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>>1617663
squirt?
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>>1617441
Mine get hit every year. They just grow out of it usually. Only super rainy years give me problems where it spreads too quickly. Next season I'll be trying this,

>DIY Fungicide Recipe

>Spray Bottle
>1 to 3 tsp Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate; 1tsp for light problems, 3tsp for big problems)
1 tsp Vegetable Oil
>1-2 tsp Dish Liquid (eco friendly/organic/biodegradable; 1tsp for 1tsp baking soda; 2tsp for 3tsp of baking soda)
>2 cups Water (500ml)
>Mix, put in spray bottle, shake hard to mix further., spray plants on/under leaves. Shake before spraying each time. Repeat once a day for a week if things are really bad.

>>1617555
You'll essentially be adding 20+ years worth of weed/grass seeds to your planter. If you pasteurize the soil then it will be fine.

>>1617612
No peppers germinated yet. The rest seem to be there. The peppers take longer anyway.

>>1617614
Loam is 1 part clay, 1 part compost, and 1 part sand. You can use that ratio to build up your local soil by adding to it what it lacks. Normally, people need tons of compost, so you'd need to source materials for compost from other people. After you have the compost and it has composted correctly you'll need to mix it into the dirt to make it into good soil or loam. It is a lot of work, but you only do it once a year at most. On the other hand, check out the, "Ruth Stout No-work Garden," method. It is ultra simple and can help expand your garden quite a bit depending on your source of straw.

>>1617618
Use succession planting. That is having enough land that you can plant new crops every two weeks. This will help spread out the work load. It can also help some cultivars to remain pure, such has multiple cultivars of corn grown closely together. If you have nothing to plant or you've run out of land, switch to compost materials collection. Start getting materials together for infrastructure such as irrigation and greenhouse/coldframe/polytunnels. Adding animals can usually fill up all your spare time.
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>>1617627
It really depends on your gardening methods and how much square area you are processing. They can REALLY help reduce your work load if the work load is moderate to high. There are a few "no-till" gardening methods that completely go without the need for tilling. Even proper crop rotation with tuber crops can be enough tilling to get the job done without the extra need for actually tilling.

>>1617641
If you do not get your answer here, you can also try over on >>>/diy/ohm as they have quite a few people active in that general. If you get an answer there, let us know here.
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>>1617641
I can tell you unequivocally yes
Also avoid the stupid purple “grow” light spectrum they put on these things and just get regular white, you’ll be able to appreciate your plants more
The only reason the plurble light exists on grow lights is because in the early days when LEDs where actually not all that efficient so they attempted to make a spectrum that correlated with Chlorophyll A & B pigments using single band LEDs which where more efficient than phosphor coated ones
The COBs are trying to imitate that spectrum by using phosphor coated LEDs which defeats the whole purpose of that purple spectrum, the phosphor used also tends to be real thick compared to the white LEDs
Newer commercial grow lights are using full spectrum white and instead of targeting chlorophyll A & B they are instead targeting the McCree action spectrum
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>>1617718
thanks for the info. this is just a small trial anyway but i did get one white aswell so i can turn off the purple ones.
do you have any recommendations for white COBs to run with mean well drivers?
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Anyone grown chives indoors? I want to have them available year round. Every attempt I've done at growing them outdoors has been a fucking failure so far. Googled it first and it said I need a pot six inches wide, seems like a lot.
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>>1617744
It is super easy. I don't know how you'd fail at that. Perhaps the soil was too wet and didn't drain well enough? I grow garlic indoors all winter, just to eat the tops. Sometimes I use soil, sometimes I don't.
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>>1617744
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>>1617610
Nah it's too late to deliver images now remind me of it tomorrow
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Anyone grow hardneck garlic indoors?
I heard October is the best time to start growing them.
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How do I care for succulents with heavy frost damage? We had an early snowfall this year, and someone at my office left some succulents on the patio in the cold. The leaves are all soft...

I was thinking about putting them under some grow lights at my place.
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>>1617866
Completely remove all damaged parts. Hopefully, it will grow back.
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So I’m gonna be away from my house for 3 days over the weekend, and I have nobody to water my stuff for me. I looked at getting some of those plant watering globes, but they wouldn’t get here before I leave. Is there something I could rig up that would serve the same purpose, DIY style? Maybe two liter bottles filled with water, turned upside down or something....
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>>1617911
Use wick watering.
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Its been about 90°f and its going to drop into the 50s tonight. Will my habaneros be alright? Should I Harvest all of them?
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>>1618054
Theyll live.
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Determinant tomatoes.

They havent gotten any bigger in 2 weeks.

Are they fighting for dominance?

Should I... you know... "take care" of one?
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>>1618070
Wait until they both have 2-4 true leaves. Then remove the weaker one.
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>>1617612
I recognize one similar to my kale but it's not on your list.
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>>1617750
Well, so, the first seed packet I got was from Home Depot. I got a bunch of seed packets that day, but every single seed in that chive packet failed to germinate. I since acquired another seed packet of a different brand, and it's a lot better. I think 100% germination. I'm also beginning to think that, along with my inability to grow onions, that the issue is that its been far to hot. Both are apparently colder weather type things. I originally started trying to grow stuff because fresh chives are hard to buy locally. Ironically, I've failed at chives, yet have successfully grown corn, tomatoes, basil, cucumber, lettuce, and I had some dill that looked promising until I came home from work one day and some caternigger ate the whole fucking thing. Tried growing English peas as well, caterpillar ate that shit too. Between them and fire ants, I want to start a new holocaust, but for bugs. Except bees, they're cute, and I need more pollination going on.

>>1617752
I'm jealous as all fuck. Can you explain what you did there? And is it right by a window, I mean it looks kinda like its maybe a few feet away on the kitchen counter. I only really have one window that I could use for growing stuff. I have more windows, but only two are south facing, and one of them is in a bedroom, so i don't want to leave the blinds up in there. Man, if I had that many chives, I'd have baked potatoes every single day lol
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>>1618109
>Can you explain what you did there?
I google image searched, "kratky chives", and it seems it originated from some social media site.

If a window gets 4+ hours of direct sunlight you can use that. You can also just put a divider up to block light from you so you can still use your best window and not have light come in.
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>>1618070
what is the light source?
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>>1618113
Ok, so Kratky counts as hydroponics? Because to me, means pumped water. But from following these threads and Swedeanons posts, it seems like he just covers the pots, which keeps the moisture in, so not quite what I think of in terms of hydro. I want to do hydro, but that's something I'll do next year, and I'll do it properly, with watering lines and such.
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These posts have me watching a ton of MIgardener now. I know in the comments he said that his first priority wasn't selling them, but did he ever sell the 87 year old seeds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeQRrj6YTQQ) on his website at all? Currently on the first video on that series (no clue if there's more than two). Kinda want a few seeds to grow next year; I'd love to see how they taste (and make sure I grow a ton of those tomato plants).

>>1618109
Got a packet of cucumber seeds like that this year, maybe two of them. Put them in dirt, watered them, sat it by the window, waited...nothing. One of the packets only had a single seed in it. QC sucks on those American Seed displays sometimes (or whatever $0.99/$0.50 per seed display they have).
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>>1618157
>Kratky counts as hydroponics?
Yup.
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i put some seeds of oranges and tangerines in separate pots as a nursery. only one of them has germinated.
thing is, i'm not sure if this is the tangerine or the orange, is it possible to identify which from this pic?
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how do you guys document/journal your planting?

I have had a moleskine for years that I received for Christmas and I'm now thinking of putting it to use.

what are some things notable to keep track of or record.

so far I just have a diagram of my seedling punnet box
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>>1618264
I just use a text editor.

>what are some things notable to keep track of or record.
If you save seeds, you can note what generation they are.
You can plan crop rotation and keep track of it.
You can keep track of planting dates and harvest dates as they pertain to frost dates.
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>>1618255
unfortunately with citrus you generally have to wait until it flowers or starts growing a fruit to figure out which it is lol
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The corn turned out nicely this year, hopefully it'll make good cornmeal and popcorn. most of my harvest is still drying and not in this picture, this is about half of what I got
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>>1618416
Very nice, anon. I wonder how the popcorn will taste. I picked early pink popcorn on the 24 of last month. Today, the one ear I've been test popping every week was nearly ready. This is what I was able to pop today. They still have a ways to go before the moisture content is just right. The most striking thing about this popcorn is the flavor. It has a completely different flavor from the store popcorn.
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>>1615329
Any advice for a poor anon looking to grow walnut trees from seed?
Currently planning on dumping a bunch of em in a shallow trench somewhat near a mature walnut tree in a few days. I'll cover them in dirt and check on them in spring. Am I retarded, or is this a decent plan? Zone 6-5 in Michigan.
Sorry if wrong thread, I'm new to this board and growing anything but tomatoes.
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>>1618492
You should not have them too near another walnut tree. Walnut drops a chemical all over the place to help prevent seed germination. If you want them closer to another tree you should either plant them further away then move them later or just start them in containers. Walnut trees should be planted about 25 feet apart for closest spacing.

The nuts need to be dehusked, floated to see which ones are bad (good ones sink,) and cold stratified for 3-4 months (in ground or in fridge). Then plant them if they aren't already planted.

Black walnut is quite difficult to shell, for eating purposes, unlike English walnut. While white walnut/butternut is a about the same as black walnut for shelling. For dehusking, a 5-gallon bucket of water, paint stirrer drill attachment, and drill works fantastic. For eating, allowing the clean nuts to season/dry for 2 months will help the flesh dry out, shrink a bit, loosen from the shell, and be easier to shell out. For black walnuts, a year or two of seasoning will make them far more palatable and taste less like paint stripper.
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>>1618503
Thanks anon. I figured that the walnut tree wouldn't affect its own and thus provide an advantage for my nuts to grow. What you say makes sense though. I'm growing them for aesthetics and *hopefully* to sell as lumber when I'm older.
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>>1618506
Well you can plant about 56 per acre using staggered rows. They grow damn slow if you are not feeding them or they don't get enough water. If you feed & water them well they will grow quite fast.
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>>1618488
looks like a great harvest, I had to harvest mine early because of a risk of heavy frost so it probably won't be as good as what you got (I had to start it late too).

speaking of frost does anyone here know if it's ok to leave flint corn on the stalk if there's only light frosts? or is it better to just bite the bullet and finish drying it inside
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>>1618512
When you are saving seed or growing dent/flint corn you can leave them out to frost/freeze so long as their moisture content isn't too high. You can also keep them in the freezer near indefinitely and they will stay fresh enough to germinate.
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>>1618518
good to know, I assumed the frost would ruin the kernels like it's ruined some beans I was letting dry on the vine before. there are still quite a few cobs of flint corn left on the plants so I'll probably wait before I pick them.
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>>1618520
It really depends on their moisture content. Peel some husk back and see if the kernels are dry enough to be slightly loose. See if they feel cooler than normal. If they feel like they are cool, unlike say the stalk then they may have too much moisture.
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>>1618157
Technically anything that uses the water as the sole carrier of nutrients would be hydroponics
An inert peat moss based pottting mix with other inert amendments like perlite watered with a nutrient solution can be categorized as hydroponics even if it does just look like normal potting mix with mostly all the same ingredients
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>>1617799
I want to see the pictures anon
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Miserable wind and cold today so I might as well dig the last of my carrots out instead of going for a bike ride. I've had them covered the past 2 days to protect the exposed parts from temperatures dropping as low as -8C.
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Redpill me on corn subsidies
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>>1618574
a bit vague. have you tried, https://www.google.com/
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some of my cayennes are sprouting
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>>1618583
Redpill me on growing corn for government money

Or does nobody own a farm here
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>>1618706
watch the documentary King Corn
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>>1618706
>>1618574
Growing corn for money, and getting a return on investment, is highly dependent on where you live. You'll need a lot of acreage and large equipment to hope to even break even in five years after investment even with welfare in some places. To get the welfare, you'll need to know everything from local to big government. There are welfare programs for quite a few aspects of farming, not just for growing the corn. Depending on where you live, it can be skimpy to excessive.

Since you are still being vague, there's not much anyone can tell you other than to, "google it." We don't even know what country you live in, let alone the county, province, or state; all of which may have completely different welfare programs.
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>>1617727
>do you have any recommendations for white COBs to run with mean well drivers?
Well if you are getting meanwell drivers you probably also want to run some decent COBs
CREE, Bridgelux, and Citizen come to mind

If using meanwell drivers and the driver you are looking at has a rated voltage over the forward voltage of your LED than make sure the output current of the driver is at or lower than the max drive current of the LED
Usually you would want the current a bit lower than what the LED can handle just for better efficiency and lower heat
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>>1618794
thanks dear friend
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>my apartment is where I sit
>the typhoon to throw its fit
>my beppers I move inside
>small refuge for them to hide
>but habanero-kun is to grand
>to fit inside where I stand
>so outside my window is where he stays
>keeping 90kph wind at bay
Be strong little bepper.
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>>1616904
Most things grow well in moderate shade, believe it or not. Beets, chard, onions, cucumbers and a few other plants almost never grow well in shade, though. Brassicas, especially rutabagas, kale and radishes generally do very well even in extreme shade.
>>1618416
Is that amish butter? What's the dent corn on the right? They don't look tasty.
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>>1617614
this guy here again.

any idea on what I should plant in this bed during autumn/winter after the tomato's are done? I'm australian so it doesn't snow here.
also after clearing the tomatoes, how soon can I be planting in the bed again and what should I add before doing so?
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work next to a coffee shop do I can get some coffee grounds.

what's the best way to use them for the garden? do I just sprinkle it around the plant or even use it as mulch around the plant?
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any niggas here do worm farming?

I checked on mine today and a bunch of small white flies are coming out of it. and are hanging out on the underside of the worm blanket.

how do I fix this? would just putting shredded paper work or do I need to out full sheets? also am I supposed to Moisten paper I add?
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>>1616305

They've been on a solid decline in quality though.
More or less no difference between Jula or Biltema knockoff items to proper Fiskars anymore.
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>>1615515has any of you grown tomato plants for more than 1 year? Overwinter it in the garden?
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>>1618976
3 years was the max I have grown a tomato plant. They were 70-80 feet long by then.
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>>1618881
yeah, that's basically amish popcorn (Pennsylvania-Dutch Butter-Flavored is the name of the corn but it looks very similar to amsih). the corn on the right doesn't look tasty because It's dent/flint corn that I'm drying out for corn meal, but some of the tips were damaged by frost. these cobs were an experiment though, and I had to plant them over 1 month late because of issues out of my control.
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>>1618887
Buy some BT and mix it in there.
So you bet your garden
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>>1615406
Not quite, but I did build a cold frame earlier this year that serves a similar purpose. They're super easy to make, pic related.
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What do you guys grow indoors all year round and/or in your kitchen herb garden?
I'm going to start a kitchen herb garden but I'm interested to see what works and what doesn't.
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>>1619132
>for neets
That doesn't make sense.

>What do you guys grow indoors all year round and/or in your kitchen herb garden?
Garlic tops.
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>>1619065
that’s super neat
what do you grow in there?
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>>1619150
Basically anything you'd grow normally, it just extends your growing season. I built it for my mother, I think she's got some lettuce in there right now, and is planning to use it to grow broccoli and/or cauliflower from seed in the spring.

>>1618885
I've heard pure coffee ground make a bad mulch by themselves. Instead it's better to mix it with other compost/ mulch, or to spread it around lightly/ mix it in with the topsoil. Never used it myself though.
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>>1619132
Monstera and pilea are meme plants.
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my chickens
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>>1618833
Beautiful
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what other garden related decorations do you guys add to your gardens?
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is it scoop up soil/woodchips from parks and stuff?

I want to do compost pile boxes to plant in and this lady always tops it off with woodchips and soil then start s planting. I don't have woodchips at home and soil here is pretty hard and dense
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>>1619488
>is it scoop up soil/woodchips from parks and stuff?
is it illegal to scoop up soil and woodchips from parks and nature strips and stuff?
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>>1619490
If you get caught maybe, probably a fine or something depending on country. Why not just buy a bag of woodchips? Couldnt cost more than a few dollars for what you want to do
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>>1619490
>>1619488
it's jurisdictional. But fuck woodchips. They take alot of energy and time to decompose, especially nitrogen. Focus on leaves, kitchen scraps, manure, and cut greens instead.

Has anyone ever sold their produce to a grocery store? I'm going to plant 20-40 peach trees, and because there's no produce wholesale to sell to, my options are limited. What should I expect?
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>>1618746
I plan on growing peaches, with an orchard of 20 - 40 trees. I'm in Texas. How do I find out if I can get tax breaks and benefits? I've never actually done anything with the government before, and know nothing about what farmers might be offered.
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What are some plants that can grow easily in hard to dig crappy soil. but if I keep planting in it the soil will eventually get better .

or should I just cover areas of my years in mulch that I want to be using in the future and hope by next season it would be good to plant in?
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>>1619353
Nice, after seeing those it really makes me see how old my chickens have become.

>>1619473
I was never one for decor. Healthy plants and good harvest are the decorations I guess.

>>1619488
That's illegal in most parks. Find a local lumber mill and get chips or sawdust. Some places sell it and some places give it away. Otherwise, buy it by the bag. Same goes for the soil if you don't have enough sand and compost to amend with.

>>1619507
Woodchips are only a problem if they are mixed in and buried in the soil. If they are on top of the soil, being used a mulch then they don't rob the nitrogen. The nitrogen robbing occurs when soil microbes break down buried wood.

>selling to stores
I'd start calling them up to see if they are receptive to buying from local people.

>>1619508
https://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=48000&statename=Texas
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/index
Click on the links then google up the name of the subsidy.

>>1619524
Daikon radishes, planted like last month would break up the soil and add green manure to the soil. Google up a list of good plants that make for the best "green manure." If you have a tiller, you just grow the plant then till it into the ground. If you want to get started ASAP then check out the "Ruth Stout No-work Garden" method which uses lots of straw. Otherwise, you'll need to get to building loam soil.
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>>1619524
similar conditions in my yard. would something like this work?

>clear weeds in area I want to use
>cover with cardboard with holes stabbed in and water down
>cover cardboard with sugar cane mulch
>apply pellet fertilizer and chicken manure pellets
>keep watered.
>spread cheap compost and potting soil over
>apply blood and bone
>start planting. mulch plants with sugar cane mulch

if it sounds like a decent plan, how deep should the initial sugar cane mulch and top potting mix layer be?
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>>1619566
Leave the weeds then cover them with the cardboard. Just fold over the weeds, no need to cut them either. This helps kill them and is far less work. Mulch should be 4-6 inches deep on top with 6-8+ inches soil over that. Then mulch the plants 3-5 inches. It will all decompose down to something fairly thin by the end of the season. Be careful with the fertilizer and manure or you may have too much and that would cause root burn. If you can afford it, you may want to innoculate the sugar cane mulch with an edible fungi like pearl oyster (Pleurotus ostreatus) or garden giant (Stropharia rugosoannulata). It will help decompose everything and give you an extra crop.
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>>1619569
>>1619566
https://fungi.com/blogs/articles/companion-planting-with-the-garden-giant
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>>1617115
let the pods on the plants a while to get more to harvest at the same time for this.

how long would you recommend fermenting, and what would you consider minimum time?
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Someone please help me. I planted a few tomato seeds in a pot in my dorm room to see if they would grow. Turns out they would...Any ideas how big of a pot I should have for a full sized tomato plant? Also what should I get for it to stay upright because one is droopy. I’m also thinking about pulling one and just growing one.
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>>1619641
A 5 gallon bucket could be enough for one plant. As long as you feed it properly
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>>1619641
MORE LIGHT
5-gallon of soil per pant.
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>tfw 31F/-0.5C this morning but no frost because of heavy silent Hill levels of fog
It has been warming than usual this time of year, but tht's okay for me. I've been playing with the idea of overwintering a tomato cutting, but I think I'll skip it. I have shelves and shelves of home canned tomatoes already.
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So, against the odds a miracle did seem to happen and my pumpkin plants survived the cold nights. It's back to mid 50's for the next few weeks. I am relieved and thankful beyond measure. About 1 more week for 1 pumpkin, 14-18 days for the rest.

However, powdery mildew is still present, through spreading slowly. I'm not sure if I actually want to deal with it and get some neem oil or similar and treat the leaves, or just leave them be since they won't be using them for much longer anyways.

What should I do?
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>>1619654
The pumpkins most likely will not ripen fully in the amount of time there is left before frosts or plant death. The best thing to do is to harvest them or cover the fruit with something to prevent frost from zapping them then harvest them after frost zaps the rest of the plant. I wouldn't worry about using anything on the plants for pests or fungi.

The only way to curtail this is to be aggressive against the pests/fungi and to cover everything with a greenhouse/hoophouse. While that might be expensive, it will be reusable and extend the season.
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>>1619655
First frost isn't until the first week of November and the 6 primary pumpkins have been growing since mid-September. I'm pretty certain they'll be mature before then. The ones that were made earlier this month won't be done in time for sure, but the aforementioned 6 most definitely should be and those are the ones I'm focusing on.
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I harvested the peanuts and sweet potatoes today. The sweet potatoes did better than expected for being planted so late in the season. The peanuts had about 1/3 of their crop eaten by chipmunks,

Left to right,
1: Sweet potatoes on the vine.
2: Sweet potato harvest from a 3' x 1.5' section.
3: Peanuts on the vine.
4: Chipmunk peanut midden. One of 6 middens.
5: Some of the peanuts were old enough to sprout.
6: Some type of underground aphid. These look like the same ones that some golden field ants farm overwinter here.
7: 11lbs of peanuts and 16.5lbs of sweet potatoes.
8: That bed is about 20' x 5'.
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>>1619726
>golden field ants
Yellow meadow ant (Lasius flavus). Not sure why I posted otherwise.
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>>1619641
Depending on if theyre determinate or indeterminate, those are going to pretty quickly outgrow any space you give them. Prepare to lose all real-estate in that window
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In the last thread I asked for advice on what to do about cucumber beetles, but at first called them 'green lady bugs' and was told 'there's no such thing as green ladybugs' so I corrected myself after researching, that they must probably be cucumber beetles...so a couple other anons said 'yes, and you must kill them' without suggesting a method, which kind of left me wondering why first anon felt the need to point out there was no such thing as green lady bugs, when I was clearly making a simile of sorts to create a mental picture, and definitely was aware I was dealing with a pest, not ladybugs

overall, google is much more useful than these threads these days, not sure why I still come here. Anyone looking for advice/help is told 'READ THE PASTEBIN, USE GOOGLE'

okay. I will use google. Is it very important to drive people away from your precious homegrowmen threads? It's like 200 posts from the same 10-12 people. There's one guy with a nice garden in what looks like England or Europe who gets nagged on for 'showboating'. So, of those 10-12 posters, several are toxic a-holes. Have fun being alone with eachother in your dying 4chan forum
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>>1619915
to be clear, I think nice garden guy has, well, a nice garden! And it's dickish to accuse him of showboating for wanting to share images of his nice garden. Now one of three nasty anons will show up and say I used LE REDDIT SPACING and therefore deserve to be ridiculed. Have fun!
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>>1619915
Use wood ash. Cucumber beetles are really difficult when they are on cucurbits because cucurbits don't like pesticides. Stop being a whiny. Instead, post your plants and cool things. Not everyone who visits these threads are here 24/7/365. The "guy with nice garden" is probably "bugguy". Who poisons the well where ever he goes, but after being banned a few times he seems to have finally simmered down. Also, this isn't 4chan.
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>>1619915
>There's one guy with a nice garden in what looks like England or Europe who gets nagged on for 'showboating'.
you mean the walled-in kraut with superiority complex that likes to poison cats and shit on everyone else's choice of plants?
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>>1619955
You're thinking of Plont/Bugguy, different guy as far as I know.
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>>1619960
yeah. ok.
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>>1619960
>Plont/Bugguy
That's the one with the rather small yard, with the rock pile full of "rare" alpine plants that have recently been planted and the new pool of water with aquatic plants. He argues that a "garden" isn't for vegetables, so when someone here says "guy with nice garden" I think of him.

>>1619917
Which garden?
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>>1619570
>>1619569


thanks, this guy here again >>1619566

what type of plants would grow easily in those conditions? should I start off with more shallower roots system plants before getting the tomtatos and stuff in there to get all growing organisms and all that started under there
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Had two seedlings sprouting in the morning and came home to about 25 coming through
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what happens if you grow a passionfruit vine without using a trellis or structure in a bit of a more open area?
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Hi Everyone, I just noticed a little bell pepper appeared on my plant and I'm just wondering how long it would take for it to turn red.
My guess is something like 6 weeks right?
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>>1620118
You can plant what ever you want in that.

>>1620134
The vines just run along the ground for the most part.
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>>1620151
For the plant, 60-80 days to maturity and 3-4 weeks for fruit ripening. It will depend on the cultivar and general climate.
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>>1620153
Oh ok I see.. so if I'm in Florida growing majestic red is assume I'm on the shorter end of the 3-4 weeks right?
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>>1620154
Most likely.
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I am a German university student. Do any of you think i could grow garlic or potatoes in my room over the winter? It goes down to like -15C outside, which I suppose garlic might survive but potatoes won't.
So yeah can I grow potatoes in my room or would that be retarded as fuck
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>>1620164
You can grow anything you want so long as there's enough room and light.
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>31F and frost on the ground
Damn, I still had some tomatoes I forgot to harvest. Though, they are high up and probably didn't frost over yet. Time to setup more polytunnels.
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how do I utelise the following materials to create a plantable no dig garden bed?

how would I layer them? does there need to be a specific order?

i can get these from my own yard

weeds/weed clippings
plenty of cardboard from work
food scraps
few leaves

i also have a few bricks of coconut coir I randomly bought when I got into gardening.

do I need to make sure I have everything at once before even attempting to build it? and do I need to use different things per later or can I keep using the same thing I have almost off (like the cardboard readily available to me from work)

what sort of stuff should I buy from the store to help build it?

also if I do this method I can just op it off with the cheapest soils and compost right?
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>>1620495
>all that reddit spacing
read the fucking pastebin
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>>1620495
"Lasagna Gardening" has all your answers. Also, you should so much buy soil and compost as find sources in your local area that has it you can get instead. Meaning, leaves people are raking up and putting into trashbags for trash, horse barns that will let you come muck the stalls for free manure, stores that will allow you to take cardboard from them (if extra is needed,) timbering/tree felling companies that need to chip waste, saw mills that have lots of sawdust, etc. If you are really lucky there may be a mushroom farm in the area that has spent mushroom substrate compost or a brewery that has spent grain.

Also, not just lasagna gardening. You may have resources for hugelkultur. That can be dead fall from woodlands or storm damaged trees in your neighborhood along roadsides. If you have a pickup or trailer to haul some stuff or a friend/family member who has that then you should get out there and make some friends.

>do I need to make sure I have everything at once before even attempting to build it?
No, just place it in the order that is needed for whatever method you decide on. Just have it all there before you plant.
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most have done a pretty good job of ripening, only one green one left
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>>1620561
>Also, you should so much buy soil and compost as find sources in your local area that has it you can get instead.
what the fuck am i reading
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>>1620582
>Also, you should NOT so much
Keyboard shits out a great deal. I don't catch all the errors.
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>>1620619
that's not the only part, friend.
>as find sources
>that has it you can get instead
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Let's say I want to bring an actual plant to work. Let us also say that it has no outside facing windows whatsoever and only has fluorescent ceiling lights.

What kind of plant would thrive, or at the very least survive such conditions?
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>>1620887
>What kind of plant would thrive
none
>or at the very least survive
aloe vera, inlaw tongue, peace lily.

but no plant wont like that kind of shit, you should at least get a spotlight or something for it
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>>1620887
>>1620892
also

>>>/an/plant
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>>1620879
Missing commas and half of second and third sentences are missing.
>Also, you should not so much buy soil and compost, as find sources in your local area.
>...that has it...
>...you can get instead.

I had to rewrite that paragraph 3 times and this sentence twice. It is an "L100 Dell REV A03" keyboard. I'm like the 4th owner and one of them had a white cat; so it is FULL of cat hair. 13 of the keys have their letters scratched into them since the originals were worn off (pic related). I haven't cleaned it because it is, "temporary," since my blue Logitech G15 died. Sometimes, I need to replug it for it to start working again. Spell check helps, but I usually need to proof read quite a bit. That's a real bore, so I rely on spellcheck mostly. It is getting worse this past week. After writing a lengthy post, I sometimes find it is a mess and say, "fuck it." I actually haven't been posting in /hgm/ as much because of it. I'm saving up for a mechanical keyboard.

>>1620887
Pothos. Though, I second using a small desk grow light; so you may get other plants.
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>>1620902
>>1620902
jesus christ dude just pull a new one from any tashbin or thrift store....
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>>1620902
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Wired-Keyboard-Black-580-ADMT/dp/B00ZYLMQH0/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=wired+keyboard&qid=1571154336&sr=8-4

14 shekels delivered, bro. You can keep it as a backup when you get your G15.
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>>1620169
Well worst case there's 100lb of smelly earth in my room
Why not try it then
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>>1620912
why do that when he can just go to any second hand store and get one for $5
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>>1620931
the secondhand one probably has jizz in it
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>>1620904
>>1620912
This one was just the closest one. I have a tote of others somewhere in deep storage I can fish out, if I take the time. The thing is, most are crap anyway. they are strictly for backup. I already frequent 2nd hand stores and no one has anything computer related anymore. I'll probably get a cheap Redragon next week or so...

>>1620931
It is better to simply buy/make a new one than to spend time and money on possible lemons.

>>1620919
>Well worst case there's 100lb of smelly earth in my room
You just described my roommate in uni. I don't think anyone will notice. Joking aside, the odor of potted plants isn't bad unless there's a problem with the soil or you just don't like it to begin with which is rare.
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>>1620952
are you retarded? you not see his post before and the fucking picture he posted of his keyboard? it's completely fucking broken, even a $5 dollar one from a thrift store WILL be better than that piece of shit.
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>>1621022
But...I'm using that keyboard right now. Waiting a bit longer is better than getting something else crappy and wasting money.
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>>16209520
I do quite like the smell, certainly better than my roommates cooking.

I just don't know where to get the earth and how to transport it. Taking earth is illegal, nobody sells any and I live on top of a mountain, without car.

Outside they would die in snow next wek
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>>1621064
Is referring to
>>1620952
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>bachelor's degree in horticulture
Should I do it, lads? I want to be a in a state of honorable, debt-free poverty, attempting cultivation in cheap barren wastelands, perhaps enter the realm of the scientific. I may become a monk like Mendel and want to have a degree before entering a monastery. Alternatively, I would like to learn the art of algae cultivation. A simple biology degree would suffice, no? Thanks m8s
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Has my cucumber plant got aids?
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>>1621064
Yo can make your own loam soil. You need 1 part clay, 1 part sand, and 1 part compost. That will work for most vegetables. Some vegetables or special plants (cactus or catnip) may require a slightly different mix, but that's essentially it. You can make the compost yourself, the clay can come from art supplies/pottery making places, and the sand can come from a host of places.

>>1621121
Too bad algae anon doesn't post any longer it seems.

Personally, I think if a person needs a degree it should be because their job demands it. If a person's job does not require it then all the materials for learning the same information is usually readily available online/library. It only requires you to study it on your own time for free. If you wish to make money, working for other people, then you may want to get those degrees. I would make sure to contact the companies' HR departments about what education is needed to work such specific jobs. You may find you need something rather specific only available at certain universities. Sometimes you can find employee lists on a company's website and it will list some of the educational degrees the head managerial employee's have.

>>1621124
Anthracnose or possibly pseudomonas infection. Remove all affected plant parts.
https://homeguides.sfgate.com/leaf-spot-prevention-cucumbers-30515.html
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Week 10. These plants are literally on their last legs. Combination of cooling temperatures, fungus infection, and now even a seeming infestation of aphids and ladybugs who brought even more infections with them as you can see in this image, these plants do not have much longer to live.

I imagine the 4 pumpkins on the ground and one on the wall will only reach 50-75% maturity before total vine death. However, my prize pumpkin, the one on the wall, oh I Imagine him to be done by weeks end, I'm going to guesstimate Sunday.

I figured that at the point we're at in the season, it's a waste of time, effort and money to try and save the plants. I am and will be utterly content with that one pumpkin on the wall. He is very special to me, but it's too late, and I'm just going to have to try again next year.

I'm just super ticked off about the bug infestations, as they're the ones who brought the fungal disease in the first place. Assholes. Next year I'm going to need to ask for some advice on preventative measures to really, really mitigate this kind of shit.
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>>1621167
But anyways, here they are. Same order as always, from first pollination to last.
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>>1621167
Did you put ANY kind of insecticide, natural or otherwise, on your shit?
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>>1621168
Any my prize pumpkin, the scratched up and lumpy ass looking fucker, yet he prevailed. I feel so proud of him.

About how much longer for a pumpkin at this stage, btw? A week? Less than? There's only a small amount of green on the other side left.
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>>1621171
This one's a slow grower, don't think he'll make it much farther.

>>1621170
No. I had assumed since my window was so tight, I wouldn't need to because all the fucking bugs would be dead or sleeping at this point, yet somehow it's like there's even more of them than in the summer.
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>>1621174
And not really much else to say about these next ones. Same as usual.
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>>1621174
What part of the world are you in? Just curious, so I can look up what kind of pests and shit live there. It's been pretty awful here desu
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>>1621179

>>1621181
Southwest US, close to the border.
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>>1621186
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>>1621186
AZ/NM? I'm in the Houston, TX area and there's all sorts of awful shit here, goddamn, next year I won't have anything organic, that's for sure. Also, fuck fire ants, just in general.
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>>1621187
And these guys who really look like watermelons instead. There's actually several more just scattered around the vines from some random ass female flowers that have sprouting up every few days. They're not going to even be close to making it.

Anyways, that's it for this week. I expect the plants to be dead by next week, honestly, so that may be it from me then.

>>1621190
Yeah, I don't want to give out too much info. You never know who's reading.
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>>1621192
No anon, I need a specific address for, uh.....pest reasons :^)

Seriously though, I was just kinda curious because the local environment had an effect on all sorts of things. Like, I assume you’re in a desert environment, so need to water the fuck out of your plants; you would THINK that would mean fewer pests, as the area is not too conducive to life in general. But as you’ve seen, the little fuckers get you wherever you are. Shit sucks.
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>>1621195
lol, but no, the thing is I actually live on farmland, and the field is actually occupied by pepper plants right now, It's an utterly ripe invitation for pests, even moreso than normal due to the irrigation.

Yes, I do have to water frequently because it does get quite hot, and remains warm for much of the year, but the dryness doesn't stop those bug fuckers. Shit does sux.
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>>1621197
>irrigation
As in like, proper irrigation? I'm considering setting up raised beds for next year, along with water drip irrigation, because cucumbers seem to need an assload of water, and I'll water them in the morning, but they will be droopy by the time I get home from work; so I'm thinking of installing a Rain Bird system so I can keep them nice and moist. The price I pay for water isn't fixed, but it almost seems like they just make up the usage amounts or something. It varies month to month, but I doubt I use any more water in one given month than another. But yeah, drip irrigation sounds cool lol
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>>1621207
>As in like, proper irrigation?
Yes. Water is drawn from a pump, pumped into a ditch, and then flows downhill between the beds.

>because cucumbers seem to need an assload of water, and I'll water them in the morning, but they will be droopy by the time I get home from work
Cucurbits require a lot of water, so that's normal. Depending on the size of your garden/homestead, I think it's preferable to water them by hand two times a day. It gives a closer bond and meets their ridiculously high water needs. It should be early in the morning and early in the evening. Remember, with cucurbits, you don't have to be conservative about how much water you're giving them. They'll use up all of it.

If you're actually farming them on acres of land, then yeah, you may have to set up an entire irrigation system.
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>>1621147
Making my own soil requires even more spending and work, I'll just organize myself a shovel and go out to fill a few plastic bags full and put that in a pot
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New video from Doctor Kratky.
https://youtu.be/jiGQsfiPwkI
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>>1616388
Caw good haul anon



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