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#275- “Skid is still Skid” Edition

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>>1506663

Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!
http://www.pastebin.com/u/fishingandtackle
https://imgur.com/a/1Xw3N

Talk about fishin
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Garmin striker 4 w/ gps vs lowrance hook2 4x w/ gps which would be be better option for a starter kayak fish finder. What accessories would you recommend for them to set them up with the transducer on the kayak.
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>>1512612
>as a medifag in training I barely have time to fish
>finish my last exam and drive straight to the closest creek
>use a jerkbait to catch over a dozen nice smallmouth as well as at least 25 bold rock bass
>see pic related down the throat of the smallies
>switch to a plastic craw that looks exactly like those crayfish
>first cast get a 10-12 inch smallmouth
>some kid across the way is walking around looking bored because his dad is on the phone
>I want to catch a fish for him to see
>second cast I cast right near him, and hook into a 22" pike and the little kid looks so surprised and happy

Why is life so good anons?
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>>1512679
get the garmin its a better finder.
buy some duct seal, make a well for the transducer and mount it to shoot through the hull.
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>>1512612
>Skid is still Skid
Can confirm
>>1512685
Quality
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>>1512685
That's what life is about.
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>>1512685
>Why is life so good anons?
Now imagine doing this with your own children.
>tfw dad never took us.. well, anywhere
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>>1512685
Are u impressed
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https://youtu.be/Otfj50U8Tw4
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>>1512971
vietnamese is by far the ugliest language.
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>>1512612
What happened to the scantily clad fishingwomen OP pics?
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>>1512971
> skip randomly to middle to see how the crab turns out
> guy is trying to crack open the claw by biting with his teeth
Wtf at least crack it with a rock or something first
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I went full meme today.
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>>1513059
> full meme
> just walmart basic spinning combo with mono set up
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>>1513073
That's fluoro you absolute plebian.
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>>1513076
Definitely went full meme then, fluorocarbon is the biggest meme in the fishing industry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiQTvmM-1cY
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>>1513092
US-english is by far the most ridiculous language.
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>>1513130
Americans don't care about the opinions of third-worlders.
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>>1513130
How so? I think a bit of elaboration is more useful than tossing out vague accusations with nothing to back them up.

Of course, considering what part of the US, our English is more English than the English currently spoken in the UK.
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I've been putting a lot more time it trout fishing this year and it's been paying off. I've caught more trout in the past two weeks than the rest of my life combined. I've yet to catch a rainbow trout though, that's high up on my list of things to do
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>>1513184
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>>1513185
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>>1513184
I couple weeks ago i got lucky and went on a fly fishing trip to Bumfuck Amishville, Pennsylvania. I've caught trout before but on this trip I caught more trout than I had even seen prior to it. I love living on the coast and having access to trophy redfish but I seriously considered staying there after the trip ended.
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>>1513244
If she grabbed me like that, I'd be making the same expression as that fish.
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Tried shorefishing Puget Sound for the first time. Titlow park just south of the narrows.
-Sea otters are dicks
-Kelp floating everywhere
I was trying to use spoons, since I don't know much about saltwater tackle. Did fucking nothing, but I feel like I learnt a bit.
Seems like my max casting distance was dead center on the trench, so I get two more feet in and I'm made. I had already ordered some novelty spoons off Amazon, so the extra weight may do it. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074M1M4M8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-551CbDB9W4PK
And I'm thinking about this, along with the kelp problem fishing off a gravel beach. Would the tilt from using the upper mount turn it into a pseudo-weedless thing?
Is weedless-ness even a possibility in saltwater? The kelp seems less stout but more wrappey than freshwater weeds.
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>>1513306

just bought me shore jigging set up.
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>>1513314
>Don't know much about saltwater tackle
>Just bought a stella lite and a $300 rod
good luck dude
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>>1513344

>thinks he knows more than me

enlighten me then gear nigger?
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>>1512847

>Tfw when daddy fucked off when I was 8 and stepdaddy was a violent, abusive cunt.

I didn't really discover fishing until I was 30 and have been slowly learning for myself ever since. Already take me eldest daughter to the shore regularly though, and she's not yet three.
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>>1513092

>Abrasion resistance test

Are yanks really this stupid? Nobody uses fluoro as a rubbing leader, it's well known that mono is better over rough ground. The point of fluoro is that it has the same refractive index as sea water, so is all but invisible to fish. It's not meant for fishing from shore over reefs.
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>>1513364
Yea it's not topshot but 80lb fluoro will survive when 80lb braid wont when it comes to rubbing on reefs, cement, or teeth.
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>>1513364
In the US it's marketed as more abrasion resistant. So many of the zoomer youtubers spread the meme and most anglers actually believe that now.
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>>1513394
Tying knots with flouro is all you gotta do to tell it's not as abrasion resistant as typical mono. I would never spool a reel with it. It's good for leader in clear water. I like to fold it over and tie an Albright knot to it with braid.
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>>1512639
Hot
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>>1513184
>>1513185
>>1513186
Are those from the same river? It is surprising how different brown trouts can look, probably stocked with different strains.
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Went out fishing with a buddy for the first time in years all day yesterday since it was our season opener this weekend and he just got a boat. I caught one fish in 13 hours of being on the lake, he caught 15. Even using the lure he caught most of those with I got nothing. Am I cursed?
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>>1513364
It’s slightly weaker than mono as abrasion resistance. However, this on test might not be entirely scientific because it’s just one specific fluoro vs another. Diameter has a lot to do with abrasion resistance and I wonder whether two line have different diameter despite having the same test number.
However, even if you don’t believe in line visibility meme, fluoro still have less stretch than mono while it sink while significantly more abrasion resistance than braid. It does have its place.
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>>1513306
bruh bruh those spoons are snag city in the rocks and kelp.

high tide in kelpy areas is most productive.

walk the tracks up to the bridge it gets super deep there. just be careful and dont do it drunk.

bring swimbaits, gulp grubs, squid/sardines/herring, weedless jigs and plastic trailers, punch jigs and trailers or hooks for dead bait.
current gets ripping there so bring some heavy stuff.
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>>1512847
daddy issues...the post.

>>1513314
I'm berry jerry of your purchase.

>>1512940
nice little ditch pickle

>>1513344
Why the hate bro? That's a nice shore jigging setup. You need some milk?

>>1513518
when you fish together watch what he is doing. just stop and watch. then mimic what he did and see if it works. look at his rod and reel set up and compare your reels gear ratios and use the same or close. look where he is casting and cast right on top of his shit every time. he wont catch more fish than you that way. Buy him one of those roll taco toronado's from the gas station. The rest of the day he will feel like he has to take a shit, he wont catch more fish than you that day either. If he asks you to net his fish, fuck it up and lose the fish at the boat, say oops. He wont catch more fish than you that day..
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Anyone have good hand line techinques?? I'm wanting to get into it...possibly going for gar or river cats...
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>>1513551
Looking into these, I may just make a second box entirely. Jig heads, plastic tails, and the occasional naked spoon as beginner kit.
I was already thinking a cheap baitcaster, to use the 20lb I got on sale a couple weeks ago (Sportco in Fife). Maybe look into everything next paycheck.
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Managed to get one yesterday. Fun time.
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>>1512804
Put a patio umbrella in the middle and a couple rod holders on the end and that’s the comfiest boat I’ve ever seen
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>>1513811
Patio umbrella sounds dope as fuck, but will probably mess with the aerodynamics of this thing too much. It gets windy as fuck on the water.
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So I've been using a small Quantum telescopic rod because it fits in my backpack. I've caught some pike and bass with it, but I've recently started fishing in a spot with rainbow trout and salmon. If I hook a bigger fish will my small rod just snap, will I be able to reel it in? Are telescopic rods just a meme, and should I just go get a proper rod? Also, as a new fisherman with absolutely no one to go to for info, what do I looked for in a rod/reel?
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>be in the market for new ul rod
>looking at jdm rods
>bigger marketing memes than American bass fishing
>mfw they want $450 a rod
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>>1513829
Fair enough. Maybe rig up some sort of collapsable Bimini then?

This thing is already peak redneck engineering, I feel like you could just go all out on it and turn it into an absolutely beautiful river cruiser.

Just zip around all the $30,000 pontoon boats and show them why you don’t need buckets of money to achieve total comfort
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>>1512612
Finally got to go fishing for the first time in over a year. Graduated this evening, and me and two of my classmates went to a small plot of land one of them own and spent the morning fishing his pond. Just went with a cane pole, some small circle hooks, and a basic-bitch rattle bobber, and had the absolute time of my life just hanging out with my friends and pulling up a bunch of little panfish all morning. Even managed to somehow snag a wee little bass at one point.

It was comfy as hell. Life is good boys.
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>>1512639
>>1512685
>>1512940
>>1513184
>>1513185
>>1513186
>>1513244
>>1513803
>>1513852
nice feeshes friends
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>>1512804
I'm looking at the garmin striker 4 and now I'm tempted to get the garmin plus 4 version for $40 more. It has the quickdraw contour which might be interesting. Also, Is CV for additional $40 worth it for saltwater kayak fishing? Does CV even werk with a through hull transducer?
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>>1513848

There are some UL rods that go up to $1200. Now I wouldnt say i'd spend that much on a JDM ultralight, but having purchased over a dozen myself I can safely say that there are JDM UL rods worth up to $600-$700. No one else on the planet can make UL rods like the Japanese, hell, any rod like the Japanese.

You have no idea what absolute shit we have compared to their domestic market. I've owned $300 G loomis UL rods, I've owned St. Croix's "Best" stuff. When you pick up even a $200 JDM UL rod it makes them in the states seem like hot garbage.
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>>1513951
Just theoretically, if you were Tackleadvisors you would let us in on the secret, right?
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>>1513967

I am not.
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>>1513967
Is that the same as the Michellin tire man giving out Michellin stars or like the Phantom Gourmet ghost giving out bad Yelp reviews?
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>>1513927
>Garmin Striker 4
I have one of my own. I love it. If you can upgrade 40 bucks for contours I'd jump at that faster than a duck on a junebug. Contour maps are the only major selling difference I notice between the striker 4 and my helix 10 on the big boat. You'd have to pay double the price of a striker to get a machine at that level. I can't speak on CV, but I think your own feel for the sonar will always outperform a computer program. Going to use my striker out on the kayak tomorrow after a long season of yanking in fish through the ice.
Pic related
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>>1513974
I am strongly considering this. I have some questions, especially never having used a fish finder:

1: How broad is the side-imaging?

2. How shallow is too shallow, and about how deep is no longer useful?

3: Does it work well when moving very slowly or being nearly stationery?

I'm still thinking of getting one of these, especially the upgraded model. I just don't want to expect too much out of one.
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>>1513974
Well the striker plus 4 upgrade is not traditional contour map but rather the fish finder's drawing its own contour map of the area you passed through with its own reading at the spot near by and it can save quite a bit of the data in the memory apparently. Assuming its depth reading is consistently accurate, it would draw a fairly accurate contour map.
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>>1513689
Cool gears bro. an a mod? what vaper juice is that? I've seen that label before at my mom bf's house in eugene, he vapes to. You slay em' bro? Wish'n I was home an not stuck in the desert watching the greens grow.
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>i still haven't taken my kayak out yet
Feels bad. Every day off ive had was rainy except Saturday butbi had to go to my boyfriend's graduation. I need to do some paddling!
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>>1513980
I fish some places which don't have maps available to buy. Can I use the Garmin Striker to generate my own?
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>>1513844
You might want to consider a couple 4 piece rod set ups or just a few proper rods altogether if you're taking it more seriously.
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>>1512612
is using pic related cheating?
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>>1514277
Yessir. Those are basically as effective as dynamite fishing.
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>>1513951
Any recomendations In the 2-300 range? Looking for a spinning rod. Already have a 1000 size ci4+ reel I just need a non broken rod to put it on.
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>>1514300

next build you make, Get a shallow Spooled reel from Japan and buy yourself some light PE line. You'll be able to cast light lures a mile.

anyway, for 200-300 I would go with a GraphiteLeader rod or a Tenryu Lunakia.

grab an Olympic 2018 Corto 610L. Cost me about $210 shipped, has titanium SIC guides, .8mm tip. arguably the best rod for the money (I have one). This rod is a true Extra fast and can really only be a jigging/dropshot rod.

https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sanpei-japan/item/olym-692453/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yRTQMRBR8

Lunakias are around $300, and I do not have one, however I own 5 Tenryu Rods and I would expect the same quality which is the best in the world.
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>>1514300
>>1514311

If I where you I'd make a decision on this Graphiteleader rather quickly, last time they came back in stock they sold out in several days and werent in stock for another 3 months. They only make small batches.
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>>1514300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGeLfeUhhRI

the Graphiteleader rod catching stocker trout.
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Fish pic time show me some pretty fishes.
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>>1514348
My dad with a decent post-spawn bass. Most impressive thing about this guy is he was caught on an ultralight rig. 6ft ultralight rod with 2lbs test. We were fishing for bedding shellcrackers and this dude hit a tiny redworm.
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What's the difference between the Garmin Striker 4 plus and the plus CV? I've read the specs and they seem extremely similar to each other. Is it worth getting the CV, or will the plus already do everything it does?

Also, where would you recommend finding contour maps of lakes and rivers? I think that could pair well with the Striker 4 plus.
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>>1513855
Thanks fren. Pic related is the little bass. We’re all super excited because we know he stocked a few catfish in his pond a couple months back but this means bass have been living in that pond since before he bought the land. He’s starting to research structure placement and feeders he can introduce to encourage their growth. It was absolutely the highlight of our morning.
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>>1514348
My most recent catch. Im hoping to get out on sunday with my kayak
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Infographics for the sake of it?
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>>1514489
Nice fish. What were you using for a lure?
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>>1514505
> avoid using a rod under 6 ft
Seriously, how aged is this info graph.
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>>1514517
The beard reveals all, I think. Those 70s fashions ...
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Is it worth trying out chinkware $8 hard swimbaits on amazon?
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>>1514513
thanks, it was the only one we caught that day. i was using a scum dog with the legs trimmed to be the length of the body instead of a little longer than the body
>pic related
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>>1513983
Not sure if troll or legitimately Californian...

>>1513551
Follow up to the follow up:
Got overexcited. Bought several jigheads, plastics, and a Penn 309. First conventional reel, so why not start with a tank.
If I can hold up my arm to take pictures tonight, I'll post a catch. Got good feelings about fishing after dinner.
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So I'm gonna be in Clearwater, FL at the end of the month visiting with a friend's family. I'm gonna have a couple days with some fishing hours. Any advice on places to go that I can wade fish? I live in Eastern NC so I know how to fish saltwater and I'm versed in fishing marshes and flats for redfish and speckled trout. I'm interested in potentially catching a snook on my fly rod. I'll be going light so I'll probably bring my 8wt fly rod and my two piece spinning rod with a popping cork just for good measure.
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>>1514530
Scum frogs and the stanley ribbits are my go to frogs. Super effective and you can get em at Walmart. I lose frogs often cuz I get them snagged in swamp shit or they get torn apart by a bowfin.
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>>1514603
I run 40 pound braid, I've only ever lost two frogs, the rest got too torn up by fish and had to be retired. I gave the frog i caught that fish on to my nephew because he lost his frog that day and i need to stock up on frogs again anyways. I also need some spools of berkley big game for tying my fly leaders
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>>1514517
There's no reason to use a rod under 6' unless you're fishing super overgrown areas or jigging
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>>1514517
Well, it's not wrong in the opinion of a lot of people. The only time most might recommend a shorter rod is for really tiny woodland streams with a ton of overhanging brush, and even there there's a faction that says longer is better, and just learn other methods of casting than overhead.

I'm more bothered by
>spinnerbait
and
>rooster tails
When rooster tails are, in fact, a type of spinner, and "spinnerbait" just triggers me, especially when applied to inline spinners, and not only specifically to the safety-pin type.
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>>1514626
40lb is what I like too. Works well for flipping and pitching too and most anything else you can also use a frog rod for. I also use my frog rod for redfish lol. Berkley Big Game is what I use for my saltwater fly leaders but I'll usually use Rio for my tippet.
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>>1514626
>>1514635
Speaking of flies and frogs I got a fly pattern I found that looks like an easier way to tie a diving frog type fly. I wanna give it a shot and try froggin with my 8wt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxK3E-1f3gU&t=639s
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My first time practicing a baitcaster this morning. It's so much easier than I thought, but I went fishing with it earlier and purposely loosened the brake too much to get a feel and it cut my line. Anyone have that problem?
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>>1514505
>Rod: medium-light power, fast action
is debatable, and awfully specific at any rate. Action is mostly a matter of personal preference, and power is a function of what you're likely to be fishing. For instance, ML is on the heavy end for stream trout (L or UL is what you typically want for those).

>>1514628
Yeah, and in my experience, if 6' is cumbersome because of brush, then dropping down even to 4'6" isn't really going to be that much of a help, anyway. You're still going to have to rely on alternative casting methods in confined spaces, so unless you fish that type of habitats exclusively (or have the budget for a dedicated rod for it), you might as well at least have the extra length for when you want it.
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>>1514630
>>1514628
Yea rod under 6" is extremely niche nowaday that if it makes an infograph, the idea must be very dated. That's my point. Many company don't even make rods under 6" for the standard rod line up anymore.
I think the short rod thing was from the old days that glass rod dominate the market. Now, carbon fiber rod dominates the market in most fishing application and take over more and more day by day. I can see that glass rod are heavy and has bad sensitivity so a short rod is preferred. Also, it's harder to get an accurate small motion flick with a glass rod than graphite rod so short length is preferable as well. Graphite rod benefit more from length as it improves casting distance when space allows and helps with leverage with fighting fish. Sensitivity is an non-issue for graphite rod and you can get really accurate with graphite rod even at long length due to how stiff and light graphite rods are comparable to glass.
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>>1514641
I'm not sure if that's it. The newer glass rods tend to be longer, too. Also, it's my understanding that even bamboo fly rods went through a period beginning after WWII where (comparatively) shorter was preferred (at least in the U.S.A.), but now the lengths are climbing back towards where they were a hundred years ago.

Also, regarding
> Many company don't even make rods under 6" for the standard rod line up anymore.
There are still plenty of 5'6" rods out there.
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>>1514637
Fluorocarbon can cut into itself. It also has little stretch so if your reel knots up the full weight of your lure in motion will be enough to dig the line into itself or break the knot.
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>>1514646
Just one more reason why fluoro as a main line (not leader) material is a meme.
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>>1514644
5'6 rod is relatively rare compared to every rod length out there, especially for general purpose use (excluding jigging rod models of course).
Well newer glass rods are now not only longer, but really long because they are still fairly good at long range casting where accuracy isn't a concern so people use them at long length to max out casting distance. Of course, in certain fishing use, fiberglass is still popular at all length, partly because boomers still stick to them, but even they start to get taken over by graphite/glass hybrids.
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>>1514649
Wrong kiddo
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>>1514635
I usually only use tippet if i need lighter than 6 pound. 4x, 5x, and 6x are all i really use any more, if i need 1x, 2x, or 3x for streamers or carp ill just use normal mono and a loop knot.
>>1514636
Eh im personally happy with a green, weedless sneaky pete. I tie a weed gaurd that lets me drag it through anything i dont have a pic on hand
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>>1514646
But it was mono. I think I am eventually going to switch to 20 or 30 lbs braid, but I still want to master it on low brakes before I throw 15 dollar power pro on
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>>1514637
probably got caught in the gap of the spool and frame and got cut off..
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Going catfishin tonight. Will post results later
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>>1514770
When I get into bass and saltwater fly leaders I just look at everything as test lbs. Rio makes saltwater tippet material that just goes by test. I dunno if I'd necessarily call it a tippet but the end of my leader gets tied with the Rio Saltwater 15lb or 20lb instead of the Berkley Big Game cuz I think it turns over better. It probably doesn't matter cuz saltwater fish that ain't bonefish ain't too shy but I like it.
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Massfag here, went to Gloucester for some surf fishing but the breakers were too dangerous so I just walked a bit and checked out some tidal pools
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>>1514980
i mean carp are more autistic than bonefish and they don't seem to care about my shitty all berkley big game 10 foot 10 pound test leaders
>pic related
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>>1514636
>>1514770
not the exact fly but you can see how i tie the weed gaurd out of two pieces of mono instead of one. i can throw this fly 10 feet or more in to lilly pads and still get it back without a hang up, but it doesn't interfere with hooking up to a bass at all
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>>1514778
Braid is a meme unless you are fishing in heavy mats of vegetation or in the winter.

If you aren't throwing Fluorocarbon then you are a literal casual.
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>>1515001
Braid feels pretty good to cast with spinning reel tho
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>>1515001
Line twist of flouro is dogshit . Good quality braid g.o.a.t.
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>>1515001
t. Only used 4 strand powerpro
Try out some good shit like 8 strand J-braid or Sufix
I throw braid with a good few feet of flouro leader, makes line management easy and it casts better
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>>1515051
Line management isn't really a problem axcept for the first couple hours of freshly spooling a reel. I've never understood why so many people have problems with Fluorocarbon line. I ish it almost exclusively without problems.
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I'm just starting to get into trout fishing, is it necessary to use a net if im trying to catch and release?
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>>1514065
This looks like it will slay.

T. Whiteposter
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>>1515132
It makes thing much easier.

Use a rubber net.
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>>1515132
No.
Some kinds of nets will actually damage the fish's protective slime. A layer that I think helps with disease resistance.
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>>1514628
I know of a lot of kayakers that use like 5'6 - 6' because they're a wee bit more accurate and won't get caught under trees and bridges and shit
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>>1513844
If the thing can handle pike, it can handle rainbows unless you're going after native migrating fish.
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>>1515132
Depends. If it's small ones you can just lift in to your hands you will be fine, but if there's a reasonable chance of something you wont be able to land without a net, get a bloody net. A rubber net is ideal, they don't hurt slime coats or fins, and never beach a fish, it obliterates the slime coat almost as badly as a tailing glove

>>1515142
I mean pike are stupid and agressive, and that fly is snag proof, so it better
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caught my first lake trout AND landlocked salmon on the same day yesterday. i'm a longtime lazy bass fisherman but trying to challenge myself this year. feels good man!
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>>1515231
Nice, in a canoe too. Just out of curiosity can I ask what state?
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>>1513850
>30k pontoon boats
I never understood that. You can probably rig up a nice pontoon setup for under 5K. People put U shaped third pontoons in and two 250hp outboards on those things and brag about how they spent 130K on it. Aside from the motor pontoons are the same at 100k to 5k, and the motor shouldn't cost that much. Oh well. To each his own.
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>>1513975
>side imaging
Woah who said anything about that. That's only the helix, but that's a pretty penny. Side imaging is nice for finding structure and maybe baitfish schools, in weeds it's good as garbage. Striker doesn't have it anyhow.
>how shallow is too shallow
I've used it ice fishing in 4 foot on 77hz it picked up fish and my jig just fine, although there is a little noise. As with any sonar I imagine. I've similarly used it in 80-90 foot of water and it picked up a 1/32 oz. Jig with a waxworm just fine on 220hz. Optimum range is 10-40 foot but it operates well outside that range.
>work well stationary
Yes. Change the scroll speed if you want something different. I've been chased by Lakers and the strike time is pretty close to dead on on graph mode.

I mean obviously for a 200 dollar unit it's not gonna be amazing compared to the 1.5k panoptix but for what I use it for it's honestly a steal.

>>1513980
That sounds better than preloaded contours as the ones on the card are seldom accurate. I should have gotten that had I known about it.
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>>1515204
The downside is that if your kayak is long (most fishing kayaks are), you can’t reach over the bow of your kayak with a short rod and a fish might screw you over with a good run around the bow
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>>1515278
Thanks for the response!
>>side imaging
I don't know shit about fish finders, and I'd forgotten this is the name of a specific feature.

What I mean is, if I'm coming up next to a fallen tree, would the Striker 4 help see what's in it by any chance? That is, roughly how wide is the image the unit picks up?

I'll still probably buy one, as it would help in just about every other situation, to see if there are fish or structure beneath me.
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Anyone have suggestions for a tackle backpack? I'd prefer one with enough pockets for a decent amount of soft plastic storage while also have the option of stuff a longsleeve shirt into the main compartment. Also a rod holder that I can slap my ultralight onto would be nice as well.

Under 100$ USD preferably

So far I've just found the Flambeau Portage.
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>>1515311
Shinamo ones are good and have rod holders, but I'm thinking of seeing in PVC or something because the elastic allows for too much movement
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>>1515231
Vermont on Lake Champlain
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>>1515280
when he starts running under the boat shove your rod tip into the water
>inb4 "gotta keep the tip up"
if keeping the tip up is going to break the line on the boat, no
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>>1515446
It’s no fun if the fish is strong enough for an extended run and really throw you off balance on the kayak. Until you manage to turn the kayak 360, you’ll be digging yourself into a deeper into the hole if the fish keep going farther out to the opposite side.
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>>1515452
>360
And moonwalk away?
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>>1515457
I meant 180, the 360 meme messed with my head
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>>1515452
aye, i'm in freshwater mostly.
if you're fishing saltwater in a yak you'd better be ready for what old-time whalers called a "Nantucket sleighride"
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What kind of catfish are these? I was thinking flathead and blue cat, can anyone confirm? Caught in NC
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>never fished
>needs loicense
>need 30h of schooling
>need roughly 200 bucks
>need to buy equipment
Is it worth it?
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>>1515472
Fucking lmfao where do you live that's so cucked
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>>1515474
Germany, here some even argue it is illegal to visit this website.
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>>1515474
Ohh and I forgot to add that most waters are still forbiden, many are too poluted to eat the fish and fishing in the rest costs money.
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>>1515475
No, it's not worth 30h of schooling and $200 to get a license
It's $15 here and people still don't do it because they disagree with the ideal
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>>1515477
Sometimes I think that I don't like this place very much.
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>>1515472
>need 30h of schooling
What the fuck
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>>1515484
If you are from a country that has nukes please nuke us.
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>>1515295
If you're moving you can kind of tell structure, for example any sharp jump and then fall in depth is probably something fish like to hang around. The cone gets bigger the deeper you are. If you're in 20 foot you might have 6 feet of a cone on the bottom. 77 htz is probably your best bet on there, and I dont think you're gonna find too many depth finders with frequencies too different from that
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>>1515452
Put the rod under towards one side, lean apropriately, let the kayak move. You will be fine. Or just buy longer rods
>>1515466
Looks like a baby channel cat and either a baby flat head or a bullhead
>>1515472
Fuck. Not worth. Why do you need classes?
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>>1515516
>Fuck. Not worth. Why do you need classes?
the law
you need paid classes to get to a paid test that gives you a basic loicense
with that loicense you can ask for another loicense
with that loicense you can go to a designated fishing water, pay a fine and start to fish, given the right circumstances like weather/season/chemicals in the water/amounts of fish/...
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>>1515524
Yeah fuck that. My advice is 1: find a new hobbie 2: move to somewhere that is t fucked or 3: an hero.
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>>1515466
Pretty sure the bottom is a flathead. The top one is hard ot tell. Young blues and Channels look very similar and you covered the anal fin so it's hard to tell. Best bet is that if it had black specks along it's body it's a channel.
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>>1515531
>>1515516
Thanks lads
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Ahh!
Decent week of fishing. 3 trips, 8 fish, 5 species, 1 new personal record. Pic related, 110 cm of big fat pike mama.
And next week trip with childhood fishing mate planned. Damn I love spring/early summer!
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>>1515584
no full body pic? what a tease
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>>1515472
That is absurd. Here in Minnesota it's just $26 a year for a license, you need no training. Fishing is like the easiest thing in the world to do, what the hell do they need to teach you beyond how to cast and tie knots?
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>>1515635
Honestly didn't really think anybody would care. Here ya go. Weight guesstimate would be 11-13 kg or so. Didn't have my scales with me that day.
One thing that always amused me about pike: the bigger ones generally don't put up much of a fight whereas the smaller ones will give you a run for your money.
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>>1515635
>>1515683
And here smallest fish from last week: a (cute!) sand eel
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>>1515524
What kind of garbage country do you live where you need to take a class to catch fish?
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>>1515683
>>1515688
oh baby moar. I’m close
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Went out for a quick little fishing sesh before it got dark and managed to hook the tiniest small mouth bass with a fox tail on like the third cast. Couldn't get the hook out quick and fumbled around getting the thing out and I think I stunned the poor fella because he didn't even swim away when I plopped it back into the water. I hope you're alright little bassbro. Then I caught the lure on a hook and couldn't get it unstuck and had to cut it loose.

You win some you dim sum.
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>>1515584
Spring best time to find big pike. I was with my uncle 3 days ago when he caught this 41 inch northern back in the shallower parts of a river.
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>>1514990
Yeah, redfish when I'm wading in marsh probably don't give two shits but I like pretending I'm cool.
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>>1514992
I like that. I also like cutting my weed guards short of the hook which works well for crabs. I'd definitely do it that way if I'm doing a topwater like that. I've found another bass frog fly out of foam that I could tie since I've got green foam from when I was tying crease flies.
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>>1515824
which is fair. im just a poor fag
>>1515826
thanks. i've had it functional all the way down to 15 pound test, so you always get really good hookups, no fish has trouble pushing them out of the way. the only issue is you can't keep them in a normal fly box, it fucks up the weed guard irreparably, but a plano box works fine.
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>>1515472
>30h of schooling
To fish?

Fuck that noise. Even my hunter safety class was only like 8 or 10 hours (and that was over 20 years ago: it's less here these days because most of the course is done online now).

>>1515639
>Here in Minnesota it's just $26 a year for a license
Same in Vermont (and no bullshit salmon/trout stamps, either). Even a combination hunting-fishing license is only $42.

>you need no training
Hell, I never even had to take training for an archery tag. It's required now, but anyone who'd held a tag previously is exempt. I, like a lot of kids at the time, I suspect, bought a bow tag the season before that regulation went into effect and didn't even hunt on it (I didn't even own a bow), just so as to be grandfathered. Both gun-hunting and bow-hunting training really just boil down to "don't be stupid," anyway.

And fishing? I mean, there's a reason people joke about being "too drunk to fish": it's because fishing is about the most idiot-proof thing there is. You might manage to drown yourself if you wade too aggressively, but you're not going to kill anyone else with your stupidity, regardless.
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>>1515639
Based on the amount of fishing line I get snagged on I'll have to disagree.
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>>1515973
I mean that's also on you and those are probably kids that lose their lines desu.
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>>1515639
Me too. $26 for freshwater + $10 for saltwater and a bit for tax.
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>>1512612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuJyEZa9uXE
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>>1515981
>charging for saltwater
When did this start being a thing?

Vermont doesn't have saltwater, obviously, but I know New York doesn't even require a license for saltwater (there is a recreational marine registry you have to enroll in, but it's free; New Jersey is the same way), and New Hampshire didn't either until recently (it's $11 now, but everything is ridiculously expensive in N.H.: even a fucking RESIDENT freshwater fishing license is $45 PLUS a goddamned "transaction fee").
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Went bass fishing for the first time of my life in friends 0 pressure pond of about 2 acres and caught 6 of pic related and 10 or so 5-7 inch sunfish/bluegill on a jig with rubber grub. Could there be larger bass? How to target them? I cant cast close to the center of the pond with anything but my catfishing rods and 1/2 of the shore is completely blocked by huge overhanging pine trees. Would taking a boat to that side/ the middle result in larger bass? Im pretty sure the whole pond bottom is covered in a forest of soft weeds several feet tall.
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anyone got a link for cheap cheap amazon cranks that worked for them? wanna give them a try going for crappie this weekend.
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>budget around $400-500
>looking to buy a bigger tacklebag
>one somewhat universal freshwater rod and reel combo
>tackle for shoreline fishing
>one somewhat universal saltwater rod and reel
>tackle for saltwater shoreline fishing
What get? I've mostly been an amateur my whole life so I don't know much about line weights or "power" or what lengths are best or what lures work the best since I've almost exclusively used live bait. I'll be fishing inland about an hour or so north of Tampa and then dabbling in saltwater for the first time on the gulf coast.
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>>1515814
Easier to find yes, but often they will be starved, famished and thin from spawning.
Surprised the pike in my local river is in this good shape.
Not to downplay your uncles fish or anything but the same fish in autumn/winter would easily be way fatter and heavier. Estimate for that fish would be 7 kg tops whereas in winter it could reach up to 9 kg. Ofc. this varies heavily from water to water. Some waters just make big fat pike whereas in others they are generally slimmer.
Anyway say congrats to your uncle. Pike fishing is fun and addictive as fuck.
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>>1516008
*easier to find in spring
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>>1516007
Get a light saltwater set up can also be used for fresh water and many saltwater tackle can be used for freshwater. Just throw some small plastic tackle box in w/e backpack you have. Don’t bother with buying a new tackle bag for now
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>>1516007
I would stop looking for specialized tackle backpacks and get a nice backpack you can use for all around stuff and some flat planos. What is it with you guys and telescoping rods/tackle bags?
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>>1516017
I mean, my current bag could probably continue to work, it's just smol. It's the smallest one Walmart sells.
>>1516024
I meant more of a soft tackle box with a shoulder strap, not a full backpack.
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>>1516026
Imo, if you fish exclusively from shore, you never really want a big bag. It’s better to pack light and be mobile than anything else.
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>>1515998
idk, but that's a mass thing.
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>>1516028
I normally only bring as much as I can comfortably carry. The heaviest thing would be my cooler with a bag of ice in it. Anyway, what would be some good tackle to add to my current stuff (mostly basic jigs, spoons, and some plastic crawfish and worms) and what would be a good rod/reel/line setup? Let's bump my budget down to $200-300 since I'm just getting one rod.
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>>1516034
The more you fish from shore and get better at using lures, the more you want to just pack light and move around. Moving around in multiple spots until you find fish typically yield better result than sticking in one spot and throwing 5+ different lures in there when the fish isn’t there. You won’t need a cooler if you just want to catch and release most of the time and only keep a fish here or there once in a while
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>>1516034
Also, i think a 8-17 lb rod (medium for saltwaterinshore, medium heavy for freshwater) from 7 to 8 ft would be a good set up to have if you don’t have one already. Assuming that you are using spinning reel, you can get a daiwa fuego 3000 which would work well for both fresh and saltwater.
Get some minnow lures. Soft body minnow tail swimbait (to be used with jig head) or full body minnow swimbait from
at 3-5 incheswork well in both saltwater and freshwater and they are cheap.
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>>1516039
>>1516038
Thanks. What is the most ideal line for what I want to do? Any other lures to try out? If I don't carry out my cooler, what's the best way to keep a larger fish if I decide I want to fish longer? I doubt a stringer would suffice.
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>>1514065
wait skid is gril or just gay?
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>>1516008
No one here cares about weight. I didn’t think about it until you pointed it out in this post. Only thing we care about when pike fishing is length. Anything above 40 is a rare catch
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>>1516072
he like dicks
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>>1516000
Try throwing a bigger lure
>>1516072
Gay
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>>1515998
>but everything is ridiculously expensive in N.H
I mean that's what you get for no income or sales tax. the money for things has to come from somewhere you dumb fucks
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>>1516072
gril
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>>1516072
what about you?
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Good pfd for kayaking? I'm going to be pretty far out into some flats where the tide can come in fast and I wanna playbit safe. Astral V Eight looks decent all the fishing ones have fuckoff tons of pockets I probably won't need.
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Any tips for fishing shitty little overfished development ponds? I live a thirty second walk from a pond but rarely catch much other than panfish and the occasional dink bass. Any good lures for working up shy fish? Should I stick to shallows?
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>>1516329
I've been getting fish every time I head out with some fox tail lures it's kind of dumb.
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>>1516320
I use an nrs chinook and it werks well and shit is on sale for like $80 right now. Stolquist fisherman’s pfd is pretty good and popular as well as well. There are few other options as well.
You’ll think that you won’t need those pockets but you’ll end up using them more than you expect. Having to open up storage and fiddling around with shit on the kayak is no fun. Those storage really becomes convenient when I’m just being lazy. Sometimes I straight up tuck tackles that I gonna switch back and forth quickly in there (doesn’t work with treble ones of course). Plenty of other trinkets go in there as well
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>>1516320
Honestly? I bought a relatively inexpensive model at Academy, which still allows free arm movement. It's more than enough to get back into the yak if I roll over.

A lot of people like the idea of the self-inflating vests. Some people have reported failure while testing them, but it's completely up to you; failure isn't common, at all.

Try some on in a store. See what fits right and does not restrict your movement, and allows you to sit comfortably enough in your kayak.
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Brook trout just opened this week for me
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weedless zonker about 3 inches long for bass.
>>1515893
>>1515826
>>1514992
>>1514770
>>1514636
here's a picture that shows the style of weed guard i tie very well.
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>>1516110
>No one here cares about weight.
Most official records, even in the U.S., still go by weight, AFAIK.

It's just that there's so much catch-and-release now that most fish never see a scale.

>>1516170
That's why I'm happy to live in Vermont and just occasionally drive to New Hampshire to buy shit tax-free.

That said, even in Vermont the Department of Fish & Wildlife is funded pretty much exclusively by license revenue, and yet our licenses are FAR less expensive than theirs are. I mean, our non-resident fishing license are only $7 more than their resident ones (less than that, actually, because we don't have the transaction fees). As a Vermont resident, I can actually both fish and hunt for less money than I would have to pay in N.H. (were I a resident there, instead) just to fish freshwater-only.
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Caught my largest Rainbow yesterday. 17 inches. Good fight!

I bought a new med-light rod but it's a fast action. I'm used to fishing a light moderate, so this rod will take some getting used to. Is there anything so can do besides buying a new rod to use treble hooks effectively? The smaller trout keep throwing my trebles.
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Chatterbait or spinnerbait?
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>>1516536
I a chatterbait when their is a lot of current. Spinnerbaits roll in current pretty easy unless you buy one of the more expensive brands. Other than that. Also a chatterbait give a similar amount of vibration as a colorado blade on a spinnerbait. The different is you can slow-roll a Colorado blade but burn a chatterbait. If you want to burn something with less vibration, say in skinny water then I would go with a spinnerbait with willow blades.

There's no reason not to have both in your bag IMO.
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>>1516539

Ignore the typos, I'm about to fall asleep. I'll expand on my preferences between the two tomorrow if you care to read.
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>>1514536
dude...
please fix that trailer
It hurts me to look at
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>>1516543
I fucking hate soft plastics because I can never rig them properly. That's why I mostly just fish hard lures. Am I retarded or do other people have this problem too?
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>>1516550
Just you buddy. Unless you're working with Z-man plastic. Fucking hell.
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>>1516550
It's just you.
I do take a bit more time to rig really big plastic like 5 inches + on a long shank jig head hook and my autism always force me to get it perfect or just re-rig until I do. I'm not happy unless the plastic is close to center as possible and the plastic isn't bunch up and the tail hangs freely for maximum motion and the best action. However, I don't think I need to go that far, but your rigging is completely fucked. I typically don't have problem with 4 inches or less lures though

All you have to do is measuring ahead before rigging, mark the spot with the hook point where the hook would exit, and guide the plastic in.

>>1516557
z-man plastic is only hard with those spring "screws". They aren't designed for each other at all.
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>>1516557
Yeah I gave up on the Ned rig because I couldn't get that piece of shit TURD on the mushroom head without it getting hooked diagonal or some bullshit

>>1516558
I wasn't the guy who posted that pic but that's usually what my first attempt at putting a trailer on looks like.
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>>1516024
I want my plano boxes to be snug in the bag. If the boxes are flopping around then it get's tiring and uncomfortable. It also maximises the space available for other items like a scale or a light throw over shirt. The same applies to disc golf when I'm playing that. I had a much easier time playing two rounds in a day when I got a proper bag. If you get a proper bag then you can fit more gear into it with less fatigue.
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>>1516562
Not to mention my tackle bag has straps on the side I can carry a stool or a ultralight rod in in case I feel like panfishing on a whim.
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>>1516559
I manage to hook a 2 inch big hammer swimbait onto a ned rig mushroom head with a bit of practice and that's a lot harder than rigging a ned rig worm. Never really use it though
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>>1516563
>tackle bag slung over one shoulder
>cooler slung over the other
>dog leash hooked to my belt with a carabiner
>both hands free to carry rods and whatever else I may want to bring
Do people actually carry these things with their hands?
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>>1516568
When I'm walking down a whole mile or more a long the beach, I prefer to only have 1 rod and a small tackle bag and it get tired walking and casting with the tacklebag on the shoulder after a while. If I bring 2 rods or more then I would need to also bring a sand stake since I don't want to lay my rod down the sand.
I was considering either buying one of those surfbag for a more compact design so it get less in the way as I walk and cast or a backpack with rod holder so I can bring 2 rods as once while still walking and casting. However, I haven't been surf fishing as much as before so I didn't get to it.
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>>1516568
I think they were referring to backpack style tackle bags.
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>>1516576
I've looked at those but they all seem expensive and my current Walmart one works just fine. Currently deciding how I want to spend up to $300 on Cabelas or Bass Pro's websites for a saltwater rod and reel and fresh tackle because most of my stuff is for panfish and the occasional bass.
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>>1516558
Here is an example of rigging autism. Probably not the best ever but that’s as far as my autism go
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>>1516577
I've been using a 25$ bag from walmart for two years and the bottom is almost worn through. I' m going to assume this thing will last a bit longer.
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>>1516578
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>>1516580
>snagged on first cast
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>>1516579
I'd hope anything that isn't Walmart trash would outlast Walmart trash. I'll replace this with a backpack style one when it goes.
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>>1516581
Only thing that'll snag them is rocks or hard structure but rock snag everything else anyway. Weedguard usually protect against most other stuffs. They are meant to be expendable.I rather snag those swimbaits than my lucky craft.
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I'm fucking retarded. How do I not snag on thick grass? That's all I have to fish around me. The only method I know is texas rigging a plastic worm but I can't catch shit unless I'm on a boat doing that and the only boat owner I know sold their boat. I can only catch fish with a bobber and live worm. Please help.
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>>1516586
Get a kayak or git gud
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>>1516588
How 2 git gud? I've been "fishing" my whole life but was never taught anything of value.
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>>1516590
You just have to plastic with texas rig and try to see what work. Move around to different spot maybe. Try to fish at dusk or dawn.
Alternatively, if you absolutely must fish live worm, you can try something like blowing worm with air so it float and won't snag on the bottom. I never try that though
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>>1515466
top looks like a gaff top because of the back fin and that high dorsal

bottom is a either a yellow bullhead or a baby flathead
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>>1516508
Nylon monofilament, the stretch will help some
>>1516550
Look on youtube for how to rig the lures and practice.
>>1516586
Rubber frogs and heavy braid
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>>1516586
Rattletrap and chatterbait methods revolve around intentionally getting snagged on grass. You need a heavier set rod but ripping those baits out from grass triggers a lot of bites. Alternatively Spinnerbaits do well if fished around grass edges.
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>>1516586
Also fishing a suspended jerkbait above the grass does well.
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>>1514277
I have a jar of Gulp worms and they suck the big ass. It’s like the fish hates them.
Does Gulp baits not work on perch and pike?
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>>1512612
>fish stomachs my hook
>takes me forever to get it out
>it floats away dead after I put it back into the water
>feel bad
Rip my first rainbow
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>>1516800
Are you a worm or powerbait nigger?
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>>1516810
Not him but fishes are simpy retarded sometimes. They can’t help it.
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Going deep sea fishing for the first time off the coast of New Jersey tomorrow, hope I don’t get caught stroking my fish.
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>>1516810
I was jigging with a minnow
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>>1516817
Enjoy pissing off the boat into the water. Feels like freedom
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>>1516817
where are you leaving from? I’m a NJ resident
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>>1516848
Haha I’ve pissed off a boat before anon, and agreed it does

>>1516849
Somewhere in Point Pleasant
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>>1516881
Ah that’s pretty far north of me. Don’t get shot before you get out there bro!
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Anyone in the 717?
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>>1516951
Everyone post area codes
>234
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>>1516953
617 represent
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443/410/301
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Would cutting a hole in the upper deck of my sit-in kayak to inlay a milk crate compromise the stiffness and integrity of the hull too much? Planning on measuring it out, placing the crate in and using a 2 part epoxy to make sure it stays rigid.
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>>1516953
315.
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>>1517043
It may not, depending on how well the crate withstands lateral forces. However, it will likely compromise that end compartment, putting buoyancy at risk in the case of a roll-over.
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topwater fishing is a meme
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>>1516959
617 here too. is it true that they're not giving out any more 617 numbers because they've run out?
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>>1517107
Idk but my area code went from 330 to 234 because they ran out of 330s
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>>1516811

Its not that fish are retarded. If you stomach hook a fish, its because you are a shitty fisherman.
>Can't sense a strike
>has shitty gear that isn't sensitive enough to sense a bite

I haven't stomach hooked a fish in almost 10 years and all the Ugly Stick gear niggers here are complicit in killing your local fisheries populations.
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>>1517112
>niggers
/pol/ is that way
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>>1517114
reddit is that way. fuck off you pussy faggot
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>>1517112
please don't use the N word, it makes the thread hard to follow when your retarded shit gets deleted.
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>>1516953
336
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>>1516749
>perch
Real, live earthworms are one of the very best baits for perch (walleye, too). One would expect that the plastic ones should work, too, but I've never used a plastic worm myself.

>pike
>worms
There's your problem. Pike are an apex predator: they eat mostly things like amphibians, rodents, and other fish. Mere worms are mostly beneath them. Now, if you put the worm on a harness, it's another story, because there you have blades providing additional flash and making the bait more enticing than it would be on its own (though again, I can't speak specifically to plastic worms, only the real ones).

>>1516800
This is why I won't put a fish back that has swallowed a hook like that if it's a legal fish (if it's not legal, there's obviously no choice). While I know they CAN survive that kind of thing, to me it's not worth the waste if they don't.

BTW, the consensus these days seems to be that if you do have to release a gut-hooked fish, you should just cut the line as close to the hook as you can, and leave the hook in it. Trying to extract the hook is likely to do more damage than leaving it in.

>>1516847
A real, live minnow? Yeah, the catch-and-release game with live bait really doesn't work.

>>1516953
802

>>1517112
Gut hooking happens to everyone occasionally, no matter how good you or your gear are. If it hasn't happened to you, it's either because you are lucky, or because you're a LARPer who doesn't really fish.
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>>1516953
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>>1516811
I caught pic related and the jerkbait got hooked on his tongue. I got him off and he swam away just fine but he ended up dying 5 minutes later.
>inb4 someone says it's because he's on the grass, perhaps it didnt help but I've hooked lmb in the tongue a few other times and the same thing happened. It's weird.
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>>1517185
It's pretty common knowledge that tongue hooked bass pretty much are goners.
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Dumb yankees
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>>1513059
>mono
>cheap rods
puke
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>>1516953
920
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>>1516953
214/469/972
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>>1516953
302
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>>1517112
hop off it and stop pretending catch and release doesn’t have a stupid high mortality rate regardless.
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what the fuck is up with feeding time at the lakes? isn't there one ideal specific time to go that will always result in a catch?
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>>1517398
Early morning and evening fish are usually pretty active
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>>1517017
What county?
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Got some brown india hen hackle that is greasy as fuck and smells like shit. Can I wash this in warm water with some dish detergent? I tried palmering a wooly bugger with it and it looks like shit since its all sticking together. Next time I'm just going to spend the money and get a decent cape not worth fucking around with these 7 dollar hareline patches.
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>>1515814
Where about a did you catch that? Northerns where I live have a different head on them almost
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>>1517421
Upstate Ny
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>>1517299
It really doesn't.
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>>1517398
No. It's weather-dependent.

Sunrise and sunset are usually your best bets, though.
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>>1517299
Bass have a very high survivorship when hooked in the lip or top of the mouth and you release them quick. There are a million studies on this. The only time they are sure to die is if they are bleeding which usually happens in the tongue or in the gut. I mostly use circle hooks on plastics when I can which almost eliminates the chance you will gut hook them. I think its better to just cut as much of the hook shank as you can when you do gut hook them rather than fight to get it out. Apparently bass can't clot their blood very well so they will bleed out when easily when cut.
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>>1517471
Bass, yes.

Trout (which is what started the discussion), not so much.
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>>1517417
No, wash it with warm water and shampoo, and make sure you dry it so nothing grows on the hide.
>>1517472
I mean even trout have less than a 20% mortality rate with proper handling.
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>>1517472
Trout are for sure more sensitive but the hooks are smaller and I have never gut hooked one fly fishing. Most of the mortality comes from boomers think they need to "play them out" which is a meme. When I hook a trout I bring them in quick so they are still green and have a lot of fight in them. I also don't act like a teenage girl and try to take a picture of every fish I catch. 90 percent of the time I never touch them and just release them off the hook in the water since I crush all my barbs at the vice. If you don't act like a homo running around the river playing out the fish and then take 100 selfies with it I think most will survive.
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>>1517474
>even trout have less than a 20% mortality rate with proper handling.
Depending on their size. It's a lot higher with the dinks than with the trophy fish. That's why a number of states have eliminated minimum lengths for stream trout: the under-sized fish were mostly dying anyway.

>>1517476
No one thinks you "need" to play them out. Playing the fish is most of the fun, though, and it's been the practice from time immemorial. If your line and hooks are appropriately sized, allowing your fish every reasonable chance to get free is the most sporting. It's not just a boomer thing, but I guess millennials who think everyone who came into the world before them is stupid wouldn't understand that.

And no one was talking about fly fishing here, much less barbless hooks. The mere fact that you have to go to those extremes demonstrates just how fragile trout are.

At the end of the day, IMO, C&R people are essentially just torturing animals for sport and trying to find ways to rationalize it. At least those of us who fish for food (and only selectively release) have some justification for dragging a fish out of the water to begin with.
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>>1517502
> Playing the fish is most of the fun, though, and it's been the practice from time immemorial. If your line and hooks are appropriately sized, allowing your fish every reasonable chance to get free is the most sporting.

My grandmother was a bit of a hoarder, and when she found out I wanted to fish when I was a teenager, I suddenly had a stack of 1970 sporting (hunting and fishing) magazines sitting in my lap one day. I devoured every page of interest. I read a pages-long reader mail section of debate about pinching barbs for trout. Many people's posts included, "My dad/grandded taught me ..."
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>>1517502
Can both of you faggots stop with this whole blaming other generations bullshit? You're both idiots, alright?
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>>1517528
>t. zoomer faggot
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>>1517502
>It's a lot higher with the dinks than with the trophy fish
Yeah, because people often play bigger fish longer and they then keep them out of the water longer for hero shots. A dink gets winched in then immediately thrown back in the water; an ideal scenario to maximize survivability.
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>>1517502
> reading half of the post expect it’s some anti-fishing vegan fag shitting up the thread for no reason
> It’s actually an insecure fag trying to do mental gymnastic to jusify that him trying to keep and limit out on everything he caught in a trip is a morally superior act than C&R fags
Bruh just go buy fish at a market lmao. Nobody fishes for pure sustenance in a first world country
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>>1517569
I do. Ate nothing but bass and rice for a month, once.
Fishing is fun, too, but it's free food. Who's gonna pass on free food?
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>>1517573
If everyone see every fish caught as “free food” and always keep then recreational fisherman fan will absolutely drain many gamefishes out of certain body of water and ruin the fun of fishing in that area in just a year or two. There’s a line between fishing fun and “free food” and which do you care more for when you decide to fish. If you care about fishing fun then you shouldn’t try to push to keep everything within legal limit as you fish. If you lean toward “free food” then buying fishes from market is more efficient and cheap than going out fishing
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>>1517565
The mortality rate is higher not the survival rate you mouthbreathing imbecile.
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>>1517416
Hoco
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>>1517502
>>1517579
>Citation required.
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>>1517574
>Push
Different guy, mate. Just saying that there are people out there. I know that if everyone did it, we'd be in trouble. Shit, I start releasing when the freezer's full.
>Price
Gearfagging is expensive. Fishing is cheap. Even with the price of license, pole, and spoons, a two trip day can save over $9 pound trout. A single salmon costs more than cheap tackle.
It's gonna be even better if I can learn to fish The Sound. Cutthroat, flounder, and coho for days.


Speaking of, I'm not sure if I adjusted the Penn conventional properly. I tightened the spool until I got no horizontal play then backed off to the appropriate weight, but don't know what else I can do to prevent overrun while my jig's still in the air. It seems like every second decent cast is another shitshow.
I read tips about feathering when it slows down, but don't know how to tell.
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I have a chance to go fishing after work Monday. If there's parking close, I might be able to fish one of a couple bridges on my way home. Otherwise, my options will be no-shade shores along this lake.

It'll be sunny, temps in the 90s, water temps are now around 80. I have no idea of the contours; the lake office (the one place to get maps) will be closed.

I'll have some stuff for bream, but are those conditions at all favorable to catch catfish? I bought some liver, and I'd like to throw that out there and hope for a bite.
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>>1517636
Doesn't sound very great. Your best bet is to find the steepest bank you can and cast far and hope you hit a deep channel. Bank contour usually relates to whats goingg on under water. If the bank is steep then the water will kikely get deeper quicker than other parts of the shore.
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Caught my first bass today gents! Chartreuse spinner on the line, not sure I have a feel for feeling bites yet... probably just got lucky but had fun :D
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Northeast bassfag here without much trout experience. Tomorrow I'm gonna be fishing for rainbow trout for the first time in a stocked lake that has about 30ft max depth. Does anybody have any advice? I got some 6lb mono on my med/light fast action and I figure I will throw some roostertails (1/16 and 1/8) and some spoons (1/8 and 1/4). Thanks
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>>1517669
Thanks. That's my worry. If I can fish next to one of the bridges, do you think that would be a better chance?
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>>1517698
>>1517669
>>1517636

Something additional: It's a reservoir, with aerators at the extreme end where nobody can access the water except in a boat, which would have to be rented from the office. So there's no chance for that.
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>>1517698
Not unless its deep. Catfish don't come shallow unless its night, very close to deep water, or theres a rainy overcast.
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>>1517692

Use lighter Fluoro. 6lbs I see okay, 4lb is ideal. Kastmasters, spoons and spinners will be a good idea. Also bring some soft plastics and jigheads if the fish are really picky. Move around and find the fish. Trout are extremely line shy but are fun as fuck to catch. Enjoy bro
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>>1517692

I also forgot, depending on your rod, you should check out 3/8 lures. Your fast tip will need more weight to load. Also, I caught my largest Rainbow on the cheapest spoon I bought. No need to buy super expensive stuff.
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>>1517690
Awesome man enjoy it! The more you fish the more fun it gets so have fun.
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>>1517711
Right on appreciate it bro. This was exactly what I was looking for.
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>>1517709
Damn. Well, there go most of my local options.
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>>1517569
Who said anything about limiting out? I never keep more than I can reasonably use, and in general I don't include freezing in that equation, either (not for game fish, anyway). From my position, abusing C&R to catch many times the limit (I've seen people brag of catching a hundred or more in one day), even when many of those released fish may die, is potentially worse than limiting out.

That said, the legal limits are set with sustainability in mind. If people are keeping too many fish to sustain the fishery, the state tends to reduce the limits.

And I'm not talking PURE sustenance, either. Sport is another consideration, to be sure, but it's enough that food is one of the reasons. My point is simply that sport alone isn't a good enough reason, IMO. Also, market fish in America suck if you don't live right on the coast. Supermarket fish are godawful, and even if you are lucky enough to have a dedicated fish market nearby (I currently don't, as they can't seem to stay in business in my area) it is crazy expensive for quality that still can't match fresh-caught.

>>1517574
>always keep
But no one said "always keep." That is absolutely not what "selectively release" means. It means being reasonable and responsible, not keeping fish beyond what you can use, or which are either too small or too big to be prime eating, but also not releasing fish that are unlikely to survive, even if you otherwise might have released it.
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>>1509313
big thunderstorm today, caught a few more after everything cleared up
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>>1517690
Inline spinners are a good first lure to learn with too. Keep them away from weeds and snags and everything will hit them. You will learn the difference between a bite and a stick and will do better running more finesse stuff.
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I don't really know what I'm doing. How bad did I fuck up? I have a rod and the basics right now for panfish so this was all to flesh out what I have a little more.
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>>1512639
based eagle claw
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>>1516953
760 baby
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>>1513059
>no Newports
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>>1517886
I'm inclined to say the circle hooks might not be the best choice for panfish (I associate them mostly with saltwater), but I've never actually targeted crappie or sunfish specifically, only caught them as bycatch while fishing for perch or smelt.
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>>1518104
>this morning
>fishing on Sunday when you should be in church
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>>1518115
>not catching and grilling breakfast then hitting late morning service
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>>1517856
>Inline spinners are a good first lure to learn with too.
I see this advice a lot, but I have had one bite on an inline spinner in two years of fishing.
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>>1518115
The Spanish mass is at 12:30pm, that shit fucks up my whole Sunday because it’s in the middle of the day.
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>>1518109
Circle hooks are good for soaking baits for catfish. For panfish, you're typically trying to set the hook as soon as the fucker bites, so either way it's not a likely gut hook.
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>>1518130
How? Have you tried a Mepps(tm)? Almost any predator fish will slam a brown skirt Mepps with a gold blade at dusk. I had a #4 with a brown skirt and pink blade and it was a Snek Slayer until anon was using it one day and snagged it on the back of an alligator.
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>>1518130
inline spinners slay in rivers and small streams. If you're just going out to a bland pond during the hottest part of the day like most normies do then you won't have much luck.
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How do I stop hooking fish so deep. Surf fishing a saltwater bay, catching lots of blues but also rays and smaller fish I want to release but they're consistently hooked so far down i can't even find the hook...



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