>>1510230The Narrows at Zion np. Went mid July a few years back.
Kek, Edward Abbey used to call them National Parking Lots for a reason.National Forest is where its at.
Made the mistake of doing Rattlesnake Ledge (near North Bend, WA, USA) with some friends on a Saturday in the fall. Pretty area! But that shit was basically a fucking conga line, worst hike I've ever done. Didn't know it was possible to get claustrophobic on the trail.
>waiting in line in the mountains
>>1510339Yes, that's what happens when you have no right to roam, and you're stuck to walking along a trail. It's either that or get shot by some autistic farmer.
>>1510230The one leading to your mom's bedroom. 10 miles long and it was nut to butt the whole time...
>>1510230I went to a nearby state park the other weekend and there were so many god damn mountain bikers. I passed by at least 30 of them. Fucking obnoxious.
Enchanted Rock, Texas.Cool place with a lot of history but massive tourist trap.
>>1510230Lynn Canyon Park north of Vancouver on Canada day two years ago.It was busy when we got there at 10 am, but by 2 pm we were walking single file down the trail with thousands of Asians
>>1510512I almost forgot the numerous old dudes in super tight speedos trying to run past everyone
>>1510247>Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wildness is a necessity; and that mountain parks and reservations are useful not only as fountains of timber and irrigating rivers, but as fountains of life.Was this the future that John Muir envisioned?
>>1510521humans are a plague on this world
>>1510521You pretty much have to go to all these places in the dead of winter just to have a manageable number of people.
>>1510521Someone help me knock that stupid tower on Mitchel over.
>>1510342>muh right to trespasskek. if the public land in california ALONE was a country in europe it would be the 14th largest. AND we get to have private property.
>>1510610>right to trespasstop fucking kek
>>1510610You're a fucking dumbass. Read up on how "land" works in Europe.
>>1510230Come to the Norfolk Broads Anon, it's full of Chavs who crash boats into the reeds or litter and the broads authority seem to do next to nothing about it because they don't want to lose tourism by correcting hire boats on their shit.
>>1510622i don't even know what the fuck you're saying. but feel free to try to clarify me.
>>1510653I'm saying it's not fucking trespassing.
>>1510342Fuck off, eurotrash. I'm an autistic farmer, and I'd love the opportunity to shoot a faggot like you on my property.
>>1510655>someone comes on your property without permission>not trespassinggod, yuros are pathetic
>>1510248Its better to just drive the extra hour and go to Capitol forest.
>>1510671You're just jealous because you live in a feudal fucking shit hole.
>>1510247>National Forest is where its atGarbage and spent ammo literally everywhere, fire roads bisecting the forest every square mile. At least that's been my experience of national forest in Colorado since I moved here a year ago. At least national parks are policed.
>>1510521Of the national parks included in this image, I live near what is by far the smallest. Yes there crowds of idiots all along the ring road but easily 90% of them never set foot on a trail. It's easy to find seclusion after 15 minutes of walking. That pic is just alarmist.
>>1510610Stop pretending it's easy to navigate the patchwork of private/public land; it's a pain in the ass. Don't even bother trying to go off-trail unless you've got a GPS. You should visit Scotland some time; there's almost zero public land there but you still have the right to roam and camp anywhere. It's a beautiful piece of legislation. t. American
>>1510708Wilderness areas in national forests are generally pristine
>>1510714>patchworkt. east of the rockies plebi can walk 600 miles in a straight line and never worry about crossing private land
The hike out to landscape arche in arches national park was like being in times square
>>1510342Don't know what eurotrash shithole you live in but the US has plenty of State/national parks. Stay off my property commie
>>1510230honestly, i dont think stuff like this is bad, people are keeping a respectful distance to allow photos, people are obviously taking care not to shit up the place. ofcourse people are lining up like that one cliff in Norway, but they arent huirting anything
>>1510725do you know what Right To Roam is AmeriFriend?
>>1510728No, he doesn't It's painfully fucking obvious.>>1510725>commieYou amerifags seem to like that word. Strange, seeing how none of you seem to know what it really means.
>>1510728I know there's no such law in the US therefore it's irrelevant to me. The land mass of US national parks is 3 times the size of Ireland, not to mention state parks, national Forest and BLM. Fuck your commie law. Nobody has a "right to roam" on my own goddamn property
>>1510731>nobody has a right to roam on my own goddamn propertyThat statement only underlines the fact that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So shut the fuck up, asscunt.
>>1510728>>1510730>>1510732please explain how right to roam isn't permission for people to hike and camp on property that isn't theirs.
>>1510731Sharing is caring. When you have a small, homogeneous and intelligent, low crime and high standards of life it's a concept that makes sense and simply works.I'm not one but realistically speaking Scandinavians are a superior people. Maybe too good to their own fault.
>>1510739It's the permission to hike and camp in any area that is considered to be wilderness.Also>owning landFucking pathetic. Your dick must be fucking tiny.
>>1510742and can privately held property be considered wilderness?
>>1510742>>owning land>Fucking pathetic. Your dick must be fucking tinySee this is where faggotry begins and the reason why we can't have nice things.You start with something interesting potentially positive (freedom to roam) but then your retarded ideology takes over fucks it all. Turns out you're just another basic bitch.
>>1510682Literally never had Feudalism on this continent you retarded overpopulated euronigger
>>1510743>this kills the european
>>1510725>>1510731Why are Americans so obsessed with muh property?>oh no, someone walked in a forest I own even though it's ten miles from my house, this person needs to be shot!
>>1510230Local community park.
>>1510230Mt. FujiShit was packed for miles
This place was pretty crowded.
>>1510916How long until they add metal guard rails
Anywhere in Yosemite valley. Last time I was on mist trail some stupid old Asian tourist slipped on ice coming down and literally screamed and grabbed my cousin's arm. Luckily he didn't fall over but JFC, really wish I had brought my crampons/axe with me. The valley is a fucking joke in summer.
>>1510739The idea of owning land is bizarre but your claim to it is your ability to defend it and to be backed up by the country it is located in (as well as possibly other countries). If you've negotiated for land under the requirement of respecting some form of right to roam then that property is still "theirs" for the purpose of that right and they aren't trespassing as far as the country is concerned since it isn't unlawful.
>>1510739>hike and camp on other's private property is badIf the are is accessible (not fenced around) and they leave no trace, there is literally nothing wrong with it, provided they don't stay for too long (usually maximized 1, or a couple days tops). And yes, if you are there, you can ask them to leave, and they are obliged to do so.Most countries recognize this and the law pretty much works like this in most places.
>>1510950Depends on the number of assholes that fall off the thing.
>>1510956Your cousin needs to work on those dodge skills so the tourist eats shit next time.
>>1510984Well that's not how it is in the USA, if its private property and posted no trespassing you cant go on it unless it is restricting access to public owned water
>>1510950If they do I will personally cut them off
>>1510742Cringe I own land just so I can have a private wilderness to enjoy so faggots like you can seethe
Tre Cime are always crowded, but that's ok because at least this way there's less people on the neighbouring mountains
Is it possible to you know, not hike a trail and just go innawoods?I just REALLY want seclusion.
>>1511024No you will always be 20 miles from another person on a main land
>>1510452And entirely overrated. You have to go in the early morning before most people get out of bed. Also did you get to go through the cave?
>>1512165I love going to tourist traps early in the morning and have them all to myself. Here at the Cliffs of Moher in Ireland.
>>1510711I live in a costal US city with parks big enough for >15 min of walking for seclusion inna parkthat's hardly sparse wilderness.That pic isn't alarmist, its a real counter-intition and a quality of hypernormalization. The natural tourist traps are rarely filmed as tourist traps only pristine beauty.
>>1510908Guns make our dick hard
>>1512165>>1512490>You have to go in the early morningSadly, where I live at least, more and more people are doing this and now even if you arrive at 6am, there will be dozens of people (mostly old) there.
>>1512507Yeah but 6 slow old people is great outpace them on the trails and have real empty spot
>>1510714How long until refugees start roaming all over that land shitting up the creeks and leaving trash everywhere?
>>1512506>Guns make our tiny dick hardfixed that for you
Problem: I love going out, like all of us. Shoulder season is best obviously for ducking crowds. All fine and good.But my favorite thing about out is seeing the life. Not just animals but plants to. And bugs. Early spring, late fall, and winter has probably a fraction to see in that regard. Everything has died back, gone into hibernation or gone dormant.What's the options for seeing green, vibrant landscapes, but ducking the crowds?
>>1512899that image is maximum comfy
Is there a time that isn’t winter where the national parking lots in Utah have a manageable amount of people?
>>1510230The walk up trail at Stone Mountain in Georgia gets pretty crowded on holidays. The concession stand at the top sells slurpees so it is ok.
>>1510558It's annoying when you get to the summit and find the hot tub is already crowded.
>>1510714The U.S. has national forest land equal to about ten time all of the land in Scotland. That's before including National Parks, BLM lands, state parks, and all kinds of other public lands. We're fine with the way things are.
>>1512952What's the Mormon equivalent of Christmas?
>>1513084Do they not have some kind of special Wives Day or something like that where most of the Mormons are busy celebrating being Mormon while the heathens get the trails to themselves?
>>1510889>what was New Spain
>>1510626bonglife is suffering
Mt Teide summit in Tenerife was super crowded if going by gondola. Walking it feels like you're all alone on this planet. So it's a strong 8/10
Angel's Rest on a sunny weekend before The Gorge burned up
>>1510514That fucking suspension bridge is 100 people deep sometimes.
>>1510521I dont think people of old ever thought the Earth could fill up. Or that animals would run out for that matter.
>>1510708Yeah its terrible. Not to mention jerks everywhere. National parks and preserves are where its at.
>>1510230I went to Banff and lemme just say, that shit was fucking loaded. Roughly 300+ people all huddling around the monuments to get selfies. I decided to just set up camp and shut the fuck up, but got bitched at by some tourists becuase they had to walk through my site to get to a lookout.Bonus - I knew a trail which lead to a massive stream and opening, perfect place to go out, I decided to bring two friends and told them how to get in. They then proceeded to yell from the steeples about how to get in and next day i went it was flooded with people. Morale of this, never tell anyone your favourite trails
>>1510521Set camp halfway up Half Dome in late summer, coming down from Tuolumne. Awful mosquitoes. Waited until five-thirty or so, then started up. Didn't see a single person on my way up, and got to the top at sunset. Not a single soul up there. Went back down with a headlamp during the twilight, Best Yosemite experience I've ever had.
>>1513926Did you have a permit anon?
>>1510230Angel's Landing at Zion was stupidly packed when my wife and I went this fall. Still an awesome trek though.
>>1510521Yurofag here. How is that even possible, most people I know are weak as fuck and can't walk for more than 20 minutes. Are there parkings right next to the places or what?
I’m thinking about going to Acadia for camping in the next few weeks. Looked at google and it looks crazy packed with rvs. I’m trying to back pack and get away from people not car camp with a bunch of fat slobs. I’m disappointed.
>>1513953Do you think I was on the Cable Route, you little bitch?
>>1510984holy shit wtf? This is an actual thing in Europe? That's fucked up, I grew up on a couple acres of wooded area that would be considered "wilderness" and I couldn't imagine random people camping there whenever the fuck they wanted to.
>>1510230Banff In The Summer
I know this image has been posted on /out/ frequently as a prime example of overcrowding, but I actually went here during a holiday weekend and this picture does not even do justice to how MANY people there actually were, the columbia river highway was completely full of cars, and crowds were just walking on the shoulder of the road for MILES, between pic related, multnomah, and horsetail falls and all that other shit in the gorge, there were thousands of cars. Unbelievable to my sheltered country ass.
>>1510521I'm going to start going to these places to sell psychedelics and hand out unabomber pamphlets
>>1514599Gods work anon, gods work.
>>1514599>>1514605Wait, are there unabomber pamphlets? If not some /out/lit/ wizard should get on it.
>>1510741And niggers exist so we can’t have this
>>1514595D-did you take pics anon?>imagine what it will look like next weekend for memorial day
Summit of Norway's highest mountain gets really crowded on a sunny day in July.
>>1514638The path to the glacier crossing is basically one long line of people.
>>1510708This just isn’t true, lived here my whole life
>>1514639>>1514638humans are a plague
>>1510248>doing any hike within a two hour drive of SeattleLmao at your life choices
>>1514638>>1514639What the fuck is even the point of doing that? How is that enjoyable?
>>1515916At least with everest, the conga line is justified because they have to catch the break in weather
>>1510558I wouldn't be surprised if they build this once China has colonised Switzerland.
>>1515922Climbing the everest should be fucking prohibited already. Most of the time nowdays it’s just some insecure boomers who pay their way to the top and in the process they contaminate the entire fucking mountain with their trash and shit.
>>1510682I mean right to roam sounds more like feudalism than anything.
>>1510889There was a brief period of feudalism in the British colonies before the revolutionary war.
One must remember that the parks and other natural wonders are considered by many to have similar intrinsic value to a world renown art museum. As unpleasant as crowds may be, they both reflect the importance of such areas as well as allow for the continued protection of those geographical areas. John Muir would appreciate the preservation efforts, especially considering what would happen if there was no effort at all.
>>1516452>let's pave roads and parking lots and build hotels and service centers >preservation efforts
>>1516494I would rather they be more untouched, but without people to see them, there will be less people to defend them when others step in to take them away. Besides, roads and parking lots are minimal in consideration of the total land area of most parks.
>>1514638Looks like an LGBT parade
>work irregular shifts>go camping/hiking in non national parks but still mountains>alone as fuckfeels good man
We need more national parks to split up the human presence.
>>1516761>converting untouched national forests into paved national parkinglot tourist attractions
>>1512899The most wholesome thing I’ve seen on this **site**.
>>1516621You've obviously never been to an LGBT parade
>>1510230The one to your mom's bedroom.
>>1514595That looks absolutely miserable.
>>1510742Try coming onto *my* land without my permission and we can put that theory to the test.Bring your own lube.
>>1510908Because we’ve seen what happens when we don’t.Enjoy the totally harmless gypsy camps popping up in the woods by your house.
>>1511999This is why boats are the last bastion of /out/You’ll still have to deal with the occasional boomer and their pontoon that cost more than a sports car, but at least the vast majority of instagramming millennials and Chinese tourists can’t swim 3 miles to an otherwise deserted island.And those that can are far too powerful to be stopped anyway, so I tend to just stay out of their way.
>>1514638>>1514639I wish every single person who has a SHTF plan involving bugging out would see these.It doesn’t matter how remote, nowhere is safe.
>>1510610Sweden is larger than California, with a quarter of the population, and we have the right to roam.
>>1517300Oh fuck, I'm gonna walk this in July. I hope it's not too crowded.
>>1516756Where is this anon? I have had dreams about a place like this
>>1513071Someone should lob a stick of dynamite in that hot tub.
>>1515922Is that really Everest? I had always thought nobody climbed it because it was so dangerous.
>>1514398Basically, a Norwegian once told me that she regularly ran into exhausted Amerilards in flip-flops and khakis on the first kilometer of a ten kilometer hike to a scenic mountain spot. The exhausted Amerilards always expect that they will be able to drive right up to it.
>>1510230Multnomah Falls in Oregon during the summer. Literal busloads of chinese touristsAnywhere on the Gauley during GauleyFest
>>1513762Some of my favorite hikes out there, like Munra point, are still closed from the fire :(
>>1516927>tfw no nazi schoolgirl gf to punish me for only giving her 3 orgasms via oralAt least I have camping and hiking to comfort me.
>>1517500Like all other wild and dangerous places, we quickly domesticated it and then sold vacation packages there to boomers so that they can pretend they’ve done something impressive in their lives.
>>1517500The lines are primarily because there are only a few good weeks to summit every year, and all the upper middle class white dudes who are addicted to exercise think it's something fulfilling they need to do, thus hundreds of people go up all at the same time.
>>1517500>>1517621>>1517656>pay tens of thousands dollars for the trip>have to walk in an endless line of people>don't even know if you'll reach the summitYikes
Why don't the boomers just do K2?
>>1514488You literally have to be a full-on NPC to stand in this line. If I see a group of people I head in the opposite directing with extreme prejudice
>>1517929Not as famous and therefore not as instagramable.
I went to Hocking Hills with a friend last summer. We usually do more local, secluded trails, but went to take some out of state friends there since they had heard about it. Fucking terrible, crowds the entire way, a shitload of off leash dogs running around in the water, and at the biggest "cave" there was a huge choir of Christfags singing some stupid shit.I love the area, but fuck going there anytime in the summer or fall.
>>1510230horseshoe bend in grand canyonswas like 110 degrees and there were probably 5000 people on the mile trail
>>1517929More difficult to summit
>>1513679I'm convinced there is almost no worse place to live than the UK out of all first-world countries
>>1516927Imagine going out special to wait around and stand in a crowd to watch such retardation.
>>1517042Doesn't like 90% of the population of Earth live on the coast? Those little tiny uninhabited islands had better be worth it.
>>1517298And it's cold and frozen as fuck over half the year. Also, your culture and society is falling apart far more quickly than even California's which sucks ass.
>>1517505And she probably passed 10x that amount of non-autistic Americans and didn't even realize they were Americans.
>>1513871>BanffYeeeeah that'll happen. I live in Calgary. It's better if you head in the direction of Kananaskis and veer southwest. Further away from the trans canada highway the less people.
>>1516050They could just close the south col route. That'd trim back thd crowd by 80%. You want climb? Lol climb north side only.
>>1517964Also fuck you dead difficult.
>>1517496based and cruelpilled
>>1513071>sausage stew with a single tuna fish
>>1510742Get this bait out of here, this isn't the fishing thread
>>1510521It sucks ass but if you’re some place with that many people, it means you’re one of the crowd you’re bitching about. Either get deeper in or accept that you’re not a special snowflake and they all have the same right to be there as you do.These kind of crowds also help fund/relieve the financial burden of all the actual good shit. If you want trails maintained etc. or in some cases the land kept public at all, thank the rubes who drive in and snap a pic for keeping the visitor count up.
>>1510230Glen Nevis, Scotland. Loads of people walking up to see the waterfall. When we went further up than that it started to become way less crowded.
Bruce Peninsula Grotto trail. Killarney Crack trail. I'm sure most shorter trails in national/larger provincial parks are like these though, I just don't usually hit them up in the summer. And nearly everything short in Iceland was a tourist trap, especially Reykjadalur and parts of Vatnajökull.
>>1516050Why would one of the poorest countries in the world drop their biggest cash cow each body on the mountain is like 20k for a permit to climb
I dunno if it counts, but Mt. Inari, through the tori gates. I giant ass line, easily a thousand people were there. Once we got through the gates and headed up to the mountain proper, it thinned out a bit but it was still a group of people like every twelve feet for a while.Absolutely disgusted by all the English graffiti carved into shit along the trail, too. I’m usually not too embarrassed about being American when traveling but hoo boy.
Lake Louise in Banff but like others have said, you can hike 5 mins up a trail from most trailheads and see very few people, they just cluster at the easy instagram bait spots
>>1510521Tfw going to do half dome with my Boomer dad this summer. He’s so excited to wait in the line up the summit.
>>1517929Not as status-y.Boomers like status and entitlement.
>>1524063d-did you get a permit anon? they started issuing those to keep the illusion of aloneness
>>1524043ah yes, what a lovely view from the hotel balcony
>>1510610>bragging about being a commiefornian
>>1510521I've been to every one of these place in the natl parks and they're not that crowded so long as you don't go during total peak season. Even instances where I was there near peak season, it wasn't nearly that bad. Yellowstone is by far the most "touristy" of the parks,
Went to Crack canyon over the weekend. Hike was pretty alright but kept running into white hicks who brought their 10 little screaming kids. Thankfully the trail got pretty empty 1 hour in and was able to enjoy the rest of the hike.
runyon canyon, hollywood california
>>1523800I was there a couple of years ago. It got quite thin once you get past that point with the tea shop. I was there slightly on the late edge of cherry blossom season. It was drizzling on and off which may have helped. Made things seem spooky and mysterious due to the mist. It was easy to take pictures with nobody else in them. Further down it was a continuous train of people though.
>>1510230literally any 14er in coloradopikes peak is the fucking worse since instead of hiking it you can drive your fat ass family right to the top and proudly exclaim "i climbed pikes peak"
>>1510521>if you go to the most popular attraction in a national park there will be other people therewow what a surprise
>>1514595this. it was once doable 10 years ago. now dummies climb over wet logs in fuckin flip flops.
>>1526164Isn't there a goddamned parking lot like 100m from the summitv
Glen Onoko falls in PANo wonder they closed it. Complete idiots and their small children shuffling through a single file line and ignoring all warnings. Putting hammocks down Over the waterfalls too just to fuck it up for the other thousand people just trying to see what it might look like if it was not effectively a Disney attraction.
>>1526687I was originally pissed when they closed glen onoko, but I went a couple weeks ago and didn't see a single person. It was great, just like the old times again.I'm still concerned that closing it will shuffle people off to other quiet places in the lehigh gorge, but hopefully those instagram normies are too dumb to look at a topo map to know where those spots are>Putting hammocks down Over the waterfallsthis makes me feel better about them closing it. Fuck those people. And the cairn builders.
>>1510342Yikes. Third worlders have it rough.
>>1527360Unfortunately they will all go to Ricketts Glen now, which is a much better set of falls. At least I've gotten my fill of it when I lived in the area. Always hiked the park after work on weekdays when nobody was there.
>>1518656>your culture and society is falling apartEeeh not really. 4chan really blows this part out of proportion. Anything from Stockholm and down is fucked though. But the northern parts are really nice.
>>1527490>Unfortunately they will all go to Ricketts Glen nowWhy can't the normies just stay to the normie magnets of the pinnacle and hawk mountain and the delaware water gap?A-at least we'll still have SGL13 and loyalsock forest for waterfalls, r-right?
>>1510232Did Narrows back in July. My buddy and I caught the first shuttle out in the AM. The water was freezing, but we were pretty much by our self on the initial hike. The return hike was a zoo though around noon.Fricking asians man. They love our national parks.
>>1514398>Are there parkings right next to the places or what?yes. any photo you've seen of something in America, the parking spot is within a half-mile from it. We have comparable stuff to the tourist traps here that no one knows about: hell, theres 4 or 5 Yosemite looking valleys that literally no one goes to. Funnily enough, once you get out of the middle of nowhere, hard to find places, you still see Euros. I've been in Wilderness places that I've only found by going there in person 2/3 times, no mention of it on the internet, and I've seen French and Germans, etc. How they found it is beyond me.
>>1517921forgot >10-20% chance you'll die, even after spending tens of thousands of dollars
>>1523800Went there during night and its was great, not a soul.
>>1527528Don't worry, they will never go anywhere without the words 'Park' or 'Recreation Area' in their name.
>>1526577Nope but there is a train to the top. There's some great walking in Snowdonia but Snowdon is such an easy walk to say you've done the highest in England and Wales so loads of casuals do it.
https://www.adventure-journal.com/2019/06/climbing-mont-blanc-without-proper-permit-could-now-mean-prison/oi oi camarade avez-vous un permis pour cette ascension?
its come up in other threads climbing out of the scramble to the top of mount Washington only find boomers with their Harley t-shirts tucked into their jeans taking selfies is among the worst /out/ experiences.
>>1529983>vos papiers, s'il vous plait
>>1510521>south rimnorth rim is a lot better. I did an overnight around the bottom, but still too far for tourists to venture from their buses. campsites nice and spread out and there was a natural waterfall with an area behind it to sit. had to stay overnight in a motel the day before and after a two day hike but it was worth it.
>>1525475Anything in the Hollywood Hills, really. I live not far from the Mt. Lee trail and decided to hike it yesterday, and saw like 40 people on it despite it being 2PM on a Tuesday. Oddly like half of them were 20-something Asian girls and not all as one group, no idea why it's so popular with them.
>>1527744I’ll be back in a few years, I’ll keep that in mind anon. Sounds comfy.