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>>1506735
How are my boys doing
I think it's been maybe a month or so since I started germination

The one on the right is a little bit closer to the light, but it's a lot thinner so I'm wondering if anyone has any tips on juicy buttercrunch lettuce
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I love planting tomatoes as much as the next /homegrowmen/, but the whole plant fucking STINKS

I can barely touch them without getting stinky green hands
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>>1506746

i love tomato plant smell. it reminds me of my grandfather and simpler times
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>>1506740
>a month
err they are way too small.
I would say they look like mine when they are 2 weeks old.
Are they getting enough light?
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>>1506760
God I fucking hope so
I've got a 15w full spectrum LED pointed at them from less than a foot away

Maybe it's the nutrients?
I haven't really gotten the proportions right
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>>1506761
>Maybe it's the nutrients?
I do not think so.
Seedlings really need very little nutrients.
I fear it is the light. I got a 45w LED and once they are two weeks old I move them to sun because it is clear the LED isn't enough.
Also in your photo they look more like romaine lettuce seedlings than buttercrunch which can only mean they aren't getting enough light.
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>>1506771
delicious looking lettuces friendo
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>>1506761
See these for reference of what the correct size should be. I would say mine at one month are between the 20 and 28 days as shown in this video.
https://youtu.be/2ezeP1VAEoc?t=583
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>>1506771
>>1506785
Alright, thanks
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Can I top indeterminate tomatoes to force lateral growth?
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>>1505952
Pics or it didn't happen. Add in any cultural details that might help like where it's planted, soil description, consumption, etc. Here's another shot of the new lemonsies.
>>1505809
>>1506245
Ya know, I was content to leave well enough alone. It's painfully obvious you lack the capacity to differentiate good science from bad, but claiming that which emanates from college campuses, or as you put it "science papers," are A) all the same and B) the only respectable thing is laughable. Looks like you can't find legitimate resources online, so they mustn't exist. Aside from being shit tier, your reference didn't even support the claim you were making. Opening your eyes in the morning has gotta be an excruciating experience.
>The papers, surprisingly were all written by human beings
>If you can't believe people working in the field doing this as their job
Wow. Sounds like somebody's perfectly content licking boots.
Look anon, there's plenty authentic and credible sources of scientific endeavor originating from universities. My point is not everything published is deserving of accolade. Academic or otherwise. I'm done here.
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>>1506902
>I'm done here.

Don't come back, kid.
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>>1506746
What's wrong with your nose, they smell good. They leave lots of stains when working on them tho.
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>>1506849
Why would you do that tho.
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>>1506849
Yes.

>>1506962
When the main vine reaches the top of your trellis you top it and allow the suckers along the sides to continue laterally. It will look espalier.
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>>1506964
Fuck, really? I just kept adding more and taller sticks last year.

Anyone got any ideas for cheap chicken proofing? Im running out of space in my fenced off area.
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>>1506964
That late in game yes, but we are still far from that moment? Assumed he wanted to do it with early ones. But maybe you are right.
You can always let the lateral ones grow together with top, i did it last year to have 2 main branches for every tomato plant. Worked well, production was higher. Had lots of room for them tho, if you place them tight it might not work that well.
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I've recently started a worm bin with nightcrawlers that I want to raise for bait. I'm not quite sure what all to feed them and in what proportions. I'm using 3 5-gallon buckets, with holes drilled along the sides, lid, and bottoms of the inner buckets. So far ive added in a few sheets of torn up newspaper, 2 handfulls of dandelions + misc leafy lawn greens, some dead wet leaves, and 1 cut up apple. I plan to add some crushed eggshells, but what all else do I need to add in/remove?
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>>1506972
All your non meat foodscraps. Coffee grounds etc. Keep it damp and dont let it freeze/cook. Green like lawn greens can replace the newspaper but you'll need garbage , flowers, fruits to put in.
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>>1506980
Not that anon, but when i was researching about it i also read that you should first let it rot a bit on its own before adding to the worm bin, so that it doesn't start a hot composting directly in the worm bin with the risk of the heat killing them off. Dunno if true tho, maybe depends on the size of your bin.
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Update on Kratky peppers.

Hardening process successful.
Note worthy stuff.
The the first one on the left (ignoring the one in the table) isn't topped while the next one is. You can see the multiple leaves growing from the middle trunk on the topped one. So DO top them. It works.
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>>1506987
for reference this was their state for being 15 minutes outside the grow tent at the beginning of the hardening. Lesson here is to be EXTRA careful not to expose them to harsh conditions too quickly. More so if you grow the seedlings is an ass weak 45W LED.
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>>1506987
These ones are on coco+perlite+compost in equal measure and are same age as the large ones on the krakty side. I am feeding them half concentration hydroponics nutrients once every 3 waterings.
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>>1506987
>>1506989
Kickass Kratky, friend. I'm going to test run a variety of plants from tomatoes to watermelon in Kratky this summer hoping that the cooler root zone will keep the babies from bolting or burning as Texas temperatures can get brutal.

Have you tasted harvested Kratky produce before? I hear that hydroponics can be less flavorful than soil grown and my interest in selling locally puts a value on flavor.
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>>1506989
this weekened is great for hardening off in the north east. Mostly cloudy and cooler gradually becoming partly sunny by monday.
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>>1506996
>Have you tasted harvested Kratky produce before?
I did tomatoes last year and do lettuces all year round. To me the tomatoes taste the same if not better. The lettuce are day and night compare to the ones in the supermarket but then again that would be true for any lettuce with any method as it is amazing the level of blandness they achieve with them. No wonder children do not like vegs. If you got children for the love of god do not feed them supermarket vegs even once.
Just a warning with tomatoes be prepare to having to refill/change water almost daily once the fruits start going and summer hits. I do not recommend pure kratky for them. Too much work. Try mhpgardener method from youtube instead.
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Cucumbers have been transplanted
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>>1506735
My tomatoe looks like it has autism is this thing gonna be safe to eat?
Also I'll post a picture later of my other tomatoes some how my Rugerts are cherry tomatoes which is really disappointing I was hoping to use them for BLTs I only 1 plant that is supposed to be big ones.
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>>1506735
What do YOU PEOPLE think of this video?
https://youtu.be/n9OhxKlrWwc
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>>1507038
>TEDx
Forget it and everything else you may have seen from a TEDx. Any fool can speak at a TEDx event.
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>>1506969
There are a few espalier styles and one is a style that would suit.

>>1506967
Really. I usually let a few side shoots go out and when the top reaches the top of the trellis I make it follow along the top or have it come back down.

>cheap chicken proofing

"Deer netting" and some sticks/poles/fence posts. You can normally find it for about $20 in 100'x7' sizes. If you fold it over so that you turn the 7' into 3.5' you'll have an easily portable temporary fence you can put up to corral just about anything. Fiberglass rod posts 3/8" are normally cheap ($1.69 at Tractor Supply). A single 100' run of fence is a 25'x25' area or a 31.8' dia. circle. It isn't predator proof, but you can always add a strand or two of electric fence wire to the posts on the outside to help with that.
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>>1506972
>>1506982
If the worms are crawling up the walls, the temps are probably too high for them. A quick emergency method of lowering the temperature is to wrap it in a wet towel/blanket so it can evaporative cool.

>>1506989
Get or make some shade cloth or set them under some trees so they have dappled light during that process.

>>1507003
lol Most of the stuff children don't like is because there's a bitter flavor or no flavor. The bitterness can come from pesticides on the farm and sprays from the store (bug spray in areas that the veggies are stored even if they are not directly sprayed). And, bitterness can come from overcooked greens, which is very easy to do. Lightly steaming is the preferred method to prevent the sulfur compounds from building up in the green veggies and especially brassicae.

>>1507026
Not bad. Cucumber beetles are a plague this year. thankfully, I'm not growing too much stuff that is attracting them. I saw about 100 on a single volunteer cucumber plant though. Scary stuff.

Looks like that one is blooming already.

>>1507038
I recall that vid. I cold compost everything on open ground. I toss in everything. Nature and chickens take care of everything. Using leaves as mulch in the chicken coop is great because they shred them to almost nothing in no time which gets added to the compost pile later on. I don't have to do anything to it for the most part.

>>1507061
It is a good video though.
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garden update
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>>1507230
dit ruikt naar nederland
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>>1507230
also, looks comy, could use a big tree maybe at the end?
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One more day and these sluts are leaving the state.
Thank god.
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>>1507289
check this out
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parsley and oregano.
Holy crap parsley grows slow, germinated on 3/31
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anyone growing any multigrafts? they are a pain to prune but very cool to see fruit that will be months apart from ripening on the same tree. also it saves tons of space for us city fags.
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>>1507230
Nice and green!

>>1507260
I was planting nearly all day long today. Rains were buggering the peppers in the trays and some rotted. Are yours hardened off yet?
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>>1507343
>Are yours hardened off yet
most are, the plants leaving Sunday are going from zone 5b to zone 7b so they have been hardened off for a few weeks now.
Was going to plant tonight but I feel like shit from the weather today.
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Anyone know of a good 1-part hydroponic grade nutrient that can feed most of anything?
I know Floranova exists but I was wondering if there was anything cheaper
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>>1507393
honestly as long as you keep it capped floranova grow should last you a long time.
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>>1507412
I may go and try a bottle just to see how it plays with my already acidic well water, which is another thing I'm hoping to find is something that I can add to my water that still keeps the ph in a sane range
Most fertilizers I have seen will drop ph and in the case of like miracle gro for example It'll take my ph 5.5 water down to under 4 which is way to low to comfort
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>>1507433
I had my water tested when I bought my house 13 years ago, no idea what it said. Grows stuff fine.
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>>1507438
It probably will be fine
I'm just a big stickler about everything
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>>1507451
I stopped being crazy about my stuff. Figure nothing grows under perfect conditions.
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>>1507433
Just add a bunch of oaster shells. I keep the ph from crashing when Im making booze. I bet itll work in hydro.
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>>1507259
I'd lose approx 90% of the biodiversity in my garden by planting trees.

was too caked out to post the other pictures last night, here's the fern wall.
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Pancratium maritimum seedlings.
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some other shit.
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>>1507568
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>>1507569
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some orchids I took from a ditch that was getting filled back up last week.
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>>1506746
I would legit wear tomato smell as a deodorant
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>>1507592
>>1506746
They sorta smell like an insect stank. Not specifically a stink bug, but something sorta similar. When I worked at a tomato greenhouse I had to spend about 30mins just washing the caked on black-green crap off my hands. Of course I was touching like 10k tomato plants a day and couldn't wear gloves.
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>>1507595
Pinch pinch pinch. Pinching off tomato plant all the live long day.
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anyone got a balcony "garden"?
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Hey dudes. I'm wanting to add some plants to a bookshelf of mine, but given the shape of my room, they would receive no direct sunlight.

Any suggestions for smaller plants that wouldn't die because of this?
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>>1507738
Have you considered maybe rearranging your room instead?
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>>1507739

My window basically faces directly south
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any ideas why i never find any lime seeds in store bought limes? i want to grow one for my new apartments balcony.
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>>1507746
Limes are very delicate plants and most commercial plants are grafted anyway so your best bet is to go buy a young plant at a nursery from a variety that is adapted to your climate.
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>>1507748
ah thanks, I'll take a look at my nearest nursery/plant shop. going to move into my new apartment mid summer, any ideas what one can grow inside a small shitty apartment until i get my balcony?
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>>1507749
You cannot go wrong with herbs.
They grow easily indoors close to a window.
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>>1507753
They also make your place smell nice and you can eat them on your food. Win/win.
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>>1507754
>>1507753
thinking about peas/beans too, because of nitrogen fixation but i do love some fresh herbs!
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getting a few days break from the rain, then more next week

so sick of the freaking rain
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>>1507737
I've seen several anons, post their balcony and rooftop gardens before on here. Does it get direct sunlight?

>>1507738
Pothos (Epipremnum aureum) is tailor made for full shade indoors. You can also try >>>/an/plant to see if anyone over there has a big list.
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>>1507781
>"Ah-hahaha!" God said, as he rained down rain, making the earth rainy and sodden.
I lost a few good pepper seedlings to the rains. It looks like 2 more storms are passing through for the Eastern US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1_HfhtB5eo
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>>1507746
Most of the limes in supermarkets are bearss limes also known as persial lime these are naturally seedless.
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>>1507871
We got one overhead right now and it's supposed to rain for most of next week, too. Glad I don't have anything in the ground here because I refuse to do work for a house that I'm moving out of within the year. I do have a few potted babies that I haven't put outside yet, though.
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How do you deal with weeds? Mulching?
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>>1506987
Always fun when you recognize a garden or setup from previous years, cheers
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>>1507900
Just eat them.
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>>1507903
But they kill my other plants. Right?
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>>1507907
Depends. If it's an invasive or aggressive species it'll outcompete what you have growing there and overtake your entire garden.
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>>1507900
Eat them, pull them, mulch over them. Field bindweed is the worst one here which I can't eat.
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>>1507912
I thought about putting mulch down everywhere. Anything I need to watch out for when doing that?
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>Porkchop Tomato Plants
>Brad's Atomic Purple Tomato Plants
>Classic Beefsteak Tomato Plants
>all from seed
>4-gallon, PET-plastic, water jugs

Need...more...sand...
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>>1507918
Too much rain. If you are using flat ground then mulch can become a problem if it is a rainy year. Raised beds usually don't have that problem with rain and thick mulch. In the spring there can be problems with gastropods and isopods, depending on the type of mulch you use. Straw will be a haven for them. Wood chips, not so much.
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>>1507923
Okay, any additional drawbacks to wood chips? Also ideas how to keep things drained? Should I just wait until Summer starts to mulch?
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tomatoes, tomatillos and three zucchini planted.

The zucchini look so small at first.
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>>1507925
You can use a thin layer of mulch until things heat up. Then a thick layer will work well. You can also inoculate it with an edible mushroom. There's really not many downsides to wood chips as mulch so long as the wood isn't cherry or walnut that is less than a year old.
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>>1507928
Is that because those woods mold?
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>>1507926
>putting plastic in the ground
Wft is wrong with you?
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>>1507940
and muted....
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>>1507939
No, they have chemicals in them that prevent seeds from germinating and cause some plant types to not grow well (Allelopathy). They oxidize and become inert over time.
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>>1507928
>>1507942
Hmm, I knew walnut was like this but I never heard of cherry being... "allelopathic"
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still dealing with aphids and maybe spider mites, whats a reliable all cure for these infestations?
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>>1507738
see this
>>1507753
Or, would it be possible to frame the window with your bookshelf?
>>1507740
If you're part of the 90% of us who live in the northern hemisphere, this a best. Must the plants live on the bookshelf? DIY or buy something more suitable to exploit the space at the window.
If anything, supplemental lighting is always an option.
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>>1500406
I fimmed (sp?) it a couple days ago just to see if it's better than topping. looks p good so far
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>>1507940
this
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>>1508115
>>1507940
I think it's meant to be a weed barrier. We have some leftover scraps in our backyard from the previous owners attempts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5-qlZ04TWk
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>>1507940
>>1508115
You guys are actually serious? It's called plastic mulch, keeps the moisture in and weed out. Google it, it's not "putting the plastic in the ground"...
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>>1508186
Plastic mulch is made from polyethylene.
Polyethylene is plastic.
Plastic mulch has been placed on the ground.
Therefore plastic has been placed on the ground?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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>>1508122
>>1508186
we know what it's for
I wouldn't want plastic residues in my soil that's all
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>>1507956
It isn't as bad as walnut and walnut steals the show for popsci conversation on the matter so most people know about walnut. Walnut takes a bit longer to lose that ability while cherry takes only a few months. If you use starts they should be fine, but don't try planting seeds in that stuff.
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>>1507999
I had these covering my apple saplings. I hosed them off 3 days in a row and now they are gone. Spider mites on the other hand usually have those webs all over and are harder to remove with just water,

https://www.planetnatural.com/pest-problem-solver/houseplant-pests/spider-mite-control/

There is no perfect cure. You can only get rid of them for a short time. Washing them off is always temporary and using chemicals is also temporary. You'd need to reapply the chemicals to make sure they didn't come back. Chances of them coming back are very random. They usually don't come back in my experience.

>>1508039
>fimmed
What?
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>>1508199
Yeah me neither, these people aren't reading the news. Plastic pollution is all over the place. Plastic particles are literally in the air you're breathing right now. Plastic particles are in rainwater which gets them every and anywhere. Even the tops of high mountains are contaminated with plastic.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/15/microplastic-pollution-found-pristine-mountain-peaks-france/3475341002/

I could link articles like this all day. Putting plastic in the soil is extremely fucking stupid.
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>>1508206
Lol jezzus
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>>1508206
There's tons of plastic all over the place. Every time I get something for my garden be it hay, straw, manure, compost, or soil there are bits of plastic in it in some form. It is sometimes really obvious like a crushed up soda bottle and fruit inspection stickers (why are those plastic?) Most of the time it is in the form of shredded plastic. Either from a plastic feed bag that has disintegrated or plastic bailing twine that has been chopped up into 1.5" lengths. Sometimes, it is trash that the lawn mower caught, which had blown in from somewhere else during a storm. Or, from landscaping plastic that is working its way up, which was placed by the previous owner 27+ years ago.

When I'm cultivating in the soil I can extract about two fistfuls of plastic. I do that all the time. After every rain I check for weeds, gravel, and plastic. Hell, I just moved a pile of lumber that had been sitting around and found a mouse next made entirely of bits of orange plastic bailing twine. I can't even image how much microplastic there is in the soil.

The world is on crazy pills.
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>>1508215
The plastics I usually find in the soil and compost are
>tea bags
I think I talked about them in a previous thread but the thing is even the ones that seem like they're some sort of paper are actually plastic, even the bag itself and then you have the either fully plastic or sometimes cotton thread and then the tag which is a sort of plastic-y paper that never really decomposes.
>fruit stickers
Those aren't inspections stickers, it's the stickers from mostly banana peels, sometimes tomatoes, oranges and other fruits. Fully plastic, will never break down in the soil.
>various plastic bag pieces
>plastic twines of all sorts + partially broken down twines that have been in the sun for too long
You can't win, if you put the plastic in the soil. it never ever breaks down. If you leave it in the sun the UV rays will break it down eventually (over the course of decades) but then the wind will blow it away and it gets in the food chain.

I fucking hate plastic.
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>>1508222
One would think that after enough time, the microplastic would eventually break down into the chemical components and no longer be classified as, "plastic." It just seems that process is extremely long. Like millions of years.
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>>1508205
>fimmed
>What?
It's like topping but it's done in a different spot and is an acronym for "fuck I missed" hence FIM or fimmed
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>>1508115
>>1508195
>>1508199
>>1508206
>>1508215
>>1508222
>>1508227
What can we even do about this? Any ideas?
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>>1508260
try not to think about it
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>>1508260
On a personal level? Buy stuff that is made from natural materials like cotton, wood, paper, maybe glass, etc. even if they're more expensive. E.g. buy matches instead of lighters.

On a global level banning of certain plastic products like single use tableware is the way to go or tax them to hell so that alternatives are more appealing. Also push actual compostable plastics like PLA.
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>>1508260
don't have children.
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>>1508268
Cringe and bluepilled, why should I give a shit about the world if I don't inherit it to my children
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>>1508271
that's the point, the world is fucked and no amount of global measures are going to fix it, you'll be lucky if you manage to die of old-age before the climate goes ballistic.
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>>1508274
Pathetic. You should aspire to spread your dna as much as possible to ensure that your bloodline survives even the most horrible of catastrophies
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>>1508276
what's the point of your children being alive if their lives are shit.

enjoy worrying about plastic while I'll be dead.
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>>1508267
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>>1508274
>before the climate goes ballistic
not in our lifetime anon
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Do you have a problem with suicidal bees?

>living in the middle of the city so only see bees on a blue moon
>suddenly get a lot of bee in my kitchen even tough I have zero flowers
>help them exit the windows
>next day find 8 bees drowned in some water cups that I have cuts rooting

WTF happened?
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>>1508260
Plastic can be recycled or converted into fuel by pyrolysis.

I don't know why people overreact about trash since in no time there will be closed material loops like 99% of recycling everywhere.

Here in brazil people are crazy about soda cans and PET bottles these don't last 3 minutes in the streets.
Also we have fenced cardboard deposits, trash mafias and 24/7 collectors.

Last week a hobo waked me up 6 am because I forgot 2 pet bottle in front of my house and he couldn't reach. If nobody was home he probably would jump the fence and steal the bottles like if it was emeralds.
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>>1508260
Remove as much plastic from your life as possible. There are many websites with tons of info on how to do this and website stores dedicated to non-plastic alternatives. Also, raise awareness with everyone you know and have contact with. Just don't be that, "crazy anti-plastic guy," which is easy to do when you first learn about shit like this.

The very concept of farming and gardening does not require any type of plastic. There's always long standing alternatives. The biggest thing is knowing the alternatives, planning correctly, and saving enough money to make the switch. Like poly tunnels are super ultra cheap and easy to use when compared buying the materials and making a glass greenhouse and glass hotboxes/cold frames. Plastic mulch can be replaced with mulches.

Each of these methods and tools have pros and cons. You'll just need to weigh the options.

>>1508268
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>>1508274
>>1508271
>>1508276
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>>1508288
Take the non-sense to >>>/pol/
/hgm/ is in the business of growth after all.

>>1508297
If they are honey bees they may have been scouts for a spring swarm. For those and other types there could have been a perfume or food odor they were attracted too.
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My broccoli and cabbage were fast to germinate but are getting extremely leggy.

Should I try to get the rest of the plants more light once they sprout? I have the trays in a sunroom but we've had overcast the past week or two so i'm not sure if the location is the problem.
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>>1508268
But our children will inherit our love of nature and be a protector of her. We should be having as many children as possible.
>>1508305
I'm researching pyrolysis now.
>>1508306
Thanks for the info. I'll do as much of this as I can. When I see people recommending poly tunnels I get annoyed because I don't want to use so much, or really any, plastic.
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>>1508327
>When I see people recommending poly tunnels I get annoyed because I don't want to use so much, or really any, plastic.

I use them. I'm trying to gather enough materials to do everything in glass. I'm close to it. The main problem is proper design that keeps things easy to use and not need to store things away during the hot season.

>>1508323
Yeah, get more light on them ASAP. Just don't burn/scald them. It is best to have the proper amount of light from the beginning. Increasing light takes time so they don't scald. Use reflectors if needed.
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>>1508329
Glad you are trying to use something else, good man.
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>>1508260
Make all the dumps for it on subduction faults so it will get reprocessed in the mantle.
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>>1508288
that's the point, you'll be dead before it gets worse, but your children won't be.
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>>1508333
Not sure if this is a joke but I think it might be a good idea.
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>>1508333
Interesting idea.
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>>1508333
F
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Inside is pretty bare now that almost everything that has to go out has gone out.

First time trying to take pictures under the grow lights with my gf's DSLR, so the values are a little wonky.
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>>1508405

These guys need to go out really bad, but I've been working a lot this week so just haven't had time.
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>>1508408

For the dill I think I'm going to harvest one for weed and one for seeds, and then I have two other tiny little seedlings in there that I'll do the same with. I'm trying to do lots of pickling over the next few months as things come out of the garden.
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>>1508206
>Putting plastic in the soil WAS extremely fucking stupid.
Fixt 4ya little snowflake
>>1508227
>I slept through chemistry, the post.
>>1508260
Quit sperging all over our thread jaggoff. The time to do anything about it was decades ago when nobody could be bothered. Ya ya I know you weren't around. But, yet here you are, having your special little "event" and demanding everyone watch. But, not realizing the sum total of your disorders, imbalances, congenital defects, trisomy21, neurochemical voids and so forth IS ALL CAUSED by plastics. Ever heard of irony, Corky? This shit is in your clothes, food and water, LITT ERR UHHH LEE everything you come into contact day in and day out. Every day.
>newsflash
>beep beep beep beep beep
>captain's starlog
>stardate nine-eleven-nine-one
>point one
>microplastics found in human feces
>yes, that was H-U-M-A-N feecees
>in other news...
>tap water contains merely half the amount of microplastics found in bottled water
>yayyyyyyyyyy
>so double up and start saving today
Here's an idea genius, go find a lab and make up for everything you failed at during your formative years by researching how to precipitate every last my kro plaz teak from our environment and save this planet.Just think of how you'll live the life after that discovery
>tfw every equation reveals resulting ball of reclaimed plastic larger than earth
fugg
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What in the hell even is this? What is this alien trying to say?
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>>1508405
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>>1508409
If you want a bit better color when taking pictures or looking at them they sell glasses for LED grow lights that help you see the actual colors of the plants, you can also stick them over a lens to take pictures
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>>1508405
Wat is ur mix for the grow bags? Irrigation volume/interval? Happy with it? Change anything about it?
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>>1508412
>I slept through chemistry, the post.

>Missed the joke.
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>>1508412
>t. Jim Fitterling
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>>1508412
have sex
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Good news! The lotus seeds I'm trying to germinate are starting to crack open and some green is making its way out!

Here's a blurry pic of one in a jar of water.

>>1508405 to >>1508409
Looking good. It is a really nice feeling having all the starts outside and in the ground. I already need to fire up the dehydrator.
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>>1508416

Interestingly to the naked eye those LEDs are only very slightly pink, and look mostly white. It would be interesting to get a filter for the camera, though.

>>1508420

I honestly just got commercial potting soil. I used "Harvest Organics Potting Soil." I tend to water things really frequently but with only a little bit of water at a time. I'm not sure if that's the "best" method of doing it but that's how I like to. Plus, I notice that the soil in the aeropots dries out a lot quicker than in just a plastic pot or something. I'll probably mix my own stuff next year with 1/3 pete moss, 1/3 compost, and 1/3 coarse perlite and see how that goes.
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Here's today's harvest.
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Garden overall.
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>>1508449

And the best helper.
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>>1508450
Such a cute little doggie :)
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>>1508450
why the ugly tat and larping knife in the damn garden tho
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>>1508460

>ugly tat

Because I was 20 and had 250 dollars to spare. I'd have a whole bunch more ugly tats if I wasn't elbow deep in bread dough every day.

>larping knife

That's my utility/paring knife for the kitchen but I've found it's nice for the garden, too. Makes me feel like some quaint Japanese farmer.
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Question.
Should I pinch off the first set of flowers from the peppers in the hope that they grow more?
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>>1508511
I did that last year when they were growing flowers inside before I even transplanted them. They'll grow more, but if the plant is still young, it should be focusing all its energy into root and leaf growth.
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LMAO all these people who think that plastics are literally the devil. I remember being 18 yo before college and knowing shit about polymers then just freely buying these hippy ideas of muh bad material for the environment.

After learning a thing or two about polymers you understand that it is just another material like steel or glass. It is an incredible material that can be shaped and molded to meet many and many requirements from society and facilitates our life. You can't go to college and leave without admiration for plastics.

BTW instead of going crazy about how plastic will end the world, skim the introductory chapters of some polymer book, but yeah you need basic chemistry knowledge. You sound like those grandpas who are scared about cellphones because kids today don't get enough socialization due to fortnight. Laughable.
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>>1508529
You sound like you own a lot of dragon dildos.
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>>1508529
>hurr I read a book and plastics are AWESOME
Fuck off retard
>polymers you understand that it is just another material like steel or glass
Except steel or glass doesn't disintegrate into microparticles in the sun from UV radiation.
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>>1508533
You can also reuse steel and glass practically forever. Most plastics are too fragile for that, though eventually (hopefully) we'll get to the point where most plastic is just recycled.
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>>1508442
>commercial potting soil
Thx. Ya, frequent and shallow applications isn't a best, but works well enough for annuals.
Was curious cos I've used em for a while now and not overly impressed. My fav feature is handles. Originally looking to use for repotting citrus and other small trees/ornamentals to facilitate overwintering less hardy types.
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When should I pick strawberries? Immediately they're fully red or should they hang out on the stem for a bit longer after fully red?
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>>1508671
They should be slightly firm when you squeeze them.
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>>1506735
I just planted some pepper plants and basil plants in my raised bed today. I have never grown anything more than potted herbs before, so any tips would be appreciated.
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>>1508678
Where do you live? Gardening advice is very regional .
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>stores already selling this year's strawberries from local producers
>my strawberries have barely bloomed
How is this possible?
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>>1508688
Copious amounts of miracle gro and specialized greenhouses.
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>>1508692
>miracle gro
I really hope not, that would be somewhat expensive
>specialized greenhouses
The real answer
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>>1508678
Research when and how to trim and prune the basil so it will not bolt. For pepper plants, you can let them jut barely start to wilt before watering them. Don't mistake a hot day wilt for lack of water wilt. They will wilt in order to reduce their leaves in the hot sun.

>>1508686
That's only for specific things like pineapples outside. General veggies are very general since they have cultivars for just about every region.

>>1508688
Might be shipped in from Cali. All the produce here on the east coast seems to be from Cali. I don't know how they make money doing that.
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>>1508710
>I don't know how they make money doing that
By paying migrant laborers $5/hr for 12 hour days so they can mass produce fruit to ship halfway across the country.
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>>1508686
Growing region 6a.
>>1508710
How would you differentiate a hot day wilt from a dehydration wilt?
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>>1508720
90F or higher and sunny can do it. Just stick your finger into the soil up to the 2nd knuckle and see if the soil is still moist. If it is then no need to water.
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So I’m kinda lazy, how would I go about setting up an irrigation system for container plants so when I go and feed them I can just put the nutrient water in like a central bucket or something
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>>1508724
Point Source Drip Emitters with Fertilizer Injector.
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>>1508726
Ok neat, thanks
Doesn't seem like it would be that expensive either if it gets to that point
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>>1508723
Is a hot day wilt damaging/shocking to plants at all?
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LOOKS LIKE PEPPERS ARE BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS
With a week of regular nutrient bottom feedings and a mild magnesium foliar treatment, almost all the peppers are coming back strong after having almost no growth for 2-3 weeks prior when they were topped (with the exception of the Thai Dragons and Thai crosses which immediately started putting out new shoots).
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>>1508712
migrant workers make min wage
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>>1508794
A little bit, if it gets too hot too fast early in the season, but it can be a bit of a hardening off thing that helps them cope later on if things are worse. It is a normal mechanism they use to keep cool.
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>>1508901
all 20 of them to a household
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Any tips on transplanting a wild blackberry bush from my fence row to the garden? The row is choked with them, and I wonder if they’d produce more if relocated.

Bushes just flowered. Zone 7
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>>1508956
Ive worked in the fields before, its hard work, theyll buy a van and charge everyone they pick up like 8 bucks a week, fit like 20 ppl in that bitch, have their wife make burritos and sell tall cans for lunches and charge 1.50ea, they bought a very nice fucking house in a white rich neighborhood.
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>>1508971
Trim it down to 12 inches then dig it out while trying to get as much of the roots/rhizomes as you can. Try to keep the soil on the roots, but if you can't, use wet paper to wrap the roots until you get it into the next location. Preferably have the next hole already dug up and filled with water once, which has drained by the time you get your plant relocated.
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>officially into Lotus Seedling territory now

Unf, I can't wait to get these things into the pond. I have 4 of them with green pushing out of the cracked shell and many more with split shells. There's 17 seeds so I should have a good crop of plants to start out with.
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>>1508978
>tfw can't wait for lotus stir fry

*salivation intensifies*
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>>1508974
I have my choice of plants, I’m not telling a story when I say the entire fence row is clogged with them.

Is it better to grab a plant that’s new and about 12 inches, or just trim an existing cane? And should I worry about a trellis? I have lots of tomato wires left over.
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>>1508980
>Is it better to grab a plant that’s new and about 12 inches,

That is fine. If it is a couple feet away from the others it should have a single rhizome running across under it that it is attached too. Meaning, you want to cut into the ground well away from it, in line between the others and it. That way you get as much of the rhizome as you can.

>trellis

Managing them is the best option. A flat trellis is best since you can fan out the canes as they grow. That will allow you best access to the berries when picking and prevent problems when removing dying second year canes. Is a "tomato wire" one of those round or square sorta cage-hoop-like things you shove into the ground. While you can use those, they are not the best, and will require a slightly different approach to how you maintain the canes.
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>>1508985
Thanks, Anon. I’ll post pics if I get it done today.
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>>1508998
Good luck and drink lots of water today!
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Feeding the new Muscovy ducks. I have like 19 eggs from the female that a broody chicken is sitting on right now. Hopefully, something will hatch.
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kawaii desu ne
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Garden season has finally begun. I picked up a cube of peat moss and some manure to mix up soil for my 10 fabric pots and assortment of flower containers. For my container mix I went with about 40% peat, 40% soil from my garden and 20% manure, with some perlite, fertilzer, granular limestone and epsom salt mixed in.

I planted potatoes in 5 of the pots. The remaining 5 are for tomatoes but I still have to go get the plants. Filled up the water jackets for the 5 tomato pots which took far too long.

I started cucumber seeds indoors. In another week I'll start green and yellow bush beans. I like doing starter plants for the beans otherwise germination is hit and miss with the clay soil.
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My DMX flower, tomato and herb bed in progress
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Does anyone have experience with dumb ass plastic tarps in their garden?

It looks like my entire lawn has an old one down. It hardly seems to matter with crabgrass everywhere and the edges look awful.

There’s a few raised beds I tried gardening in last year, but the soil is maybe six inches deep, then tarp, then a layer of stones.

Is it a crazy idea to get a big ass pail, take the soil out of the bed, stab the tarp away? I presume the stones will be alright to the roots for drainedge.
I don’t mind weeding at all, but I have a feeling vegetable jack will grow in a window sill pot’s worth of dirt.
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At what temperature does mesclun bolt? It's about 80 degrees now, should I be moving muh buckets into the shade?
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>>1509148
What are you thinking is going to happen to those tomato plants?
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>>1509134
That sounds like a good day's work. My feet have been hurting for days for all the walking around the farm I have to do. It feels good to get out in the sunshine.

>>1509148
Neat arrangement. Unless those are dwarf indeterminate tomato plants, they will overcrowd each other.

>>1509242
Some yes, some no. Depends on the cultivar. Shade will do them well.

>>1509205
I'm still pulling up that type of stuff decades later. Get rid of it in one go, if you have the time and resources.
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>>1509205
You have my condolences. That stuff is a PITA to remove. The sooner you get to it, the less you'll dread eventually removing it, though.
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>Tfw the cardboard method of killing grass and weeds worked
Aside from a couple spots where it manages to peak up through the cracks, it's all dead. Worms galore eating away at the dead plant material. So nice to see

I was cutting holes out for my transplants and seeds. I'm almost done. I just got a few more seeds to get in the ground and a few transplants next week. But so far I'm happy. Cardboard is a million times cheaper than mulch, and it works better than mulch. Only downside is that it's not too pretty, but I plan on fixing that by adding grass clippings after each mow of the lawn.
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>>1509317
Next time put a double layer over the cracks. Watch out around the edges too.
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>>1506758
The times weren't simpler, but you were.
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>>1506746
I love the tomato plant smell. I always make an effort to rub the leaves with my fingers and sniff them every time I check the garden. I do the same with my herbs too.
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My tomatoe is growing up too fast :,(
Why does gardening bring me so much joy and happiness ?
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>>1509609
Because as opposed to blindness consumerism and watching meaningless TV shows it gives actual meaning to your life.
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>>1509299
>>1509280
Thanks friends. It's actually super brittle... more like some kind of poor rubber. Awful stuff. I really wanted to get the missus to plant a tomato that won't fall over so I just took a shovel and it cut right through the crap.
I think if I just keep shoveling holes and pulling at it I'll get out enough to grow stuff. Now I'm a lot more know how, years down the line this is the kind of stuff I'll keep an eye out for house shopping.
Just glad to find out I'm not the only one!
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Walmart has got 8.25lb coco coir bricks for $5.88 down from $7.98
Is this the time to strike on them or see if they go lower?
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>>1509816
Ooh. Buy them and grow some mushrooms
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>>1507737
Ever expanding. Reseeded last year's bokchoi, dill. Satsuma froze and died during our only winter storm. The bottom of the trunk is still green, so I cut back to an inch of brown and am going to see what happens. Also planted white habaneros, Carolina reapers, and started a budda peach for my mother this week. Buying garbanzo today too.
This week is germination time, with temps from 70-85.
It's essentially all seed stock and spices. I have a normie hydroponic setup converted for even more peppers. Gonna breed for hardiness and hotness until I can afford a yard to destroy with my grand back2eden-lasagna-fungalsequestration-foodforest-goatsnshit experiment.
Also, thanks for the topping advice guys. It's been 1-2 weeks. Here's my original post, results follow.
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>>1509841
Related white on right, reaper finally germinated on left.
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Anyone ever get tiny millipedes in your house plants? I'd get rid of them except they're just decomposing dead shit, meaning I won't have to fertilize as much. Cute or no?
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>>1509879
I'd let them be. Unsure why they would feel the need to exit the potting substrate. Perhaps, dig into that for for clues.
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>>1509907
it's because I just watered it, they like to come out and say hi when I do. I'd just like to identify the species if I was smarter.
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>>1509914
Well that's a centipede, not a millipede and I wanted to help you out but these things have too many legs and now I'm uncomfortable, so thanks.
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>>1509915
my guess is they're eating other insects. As far as I'm concerned it's a "organic" pesticide. Which is also why I leave mosquito eaters and some spiders alone.

damn tho I do have a Japanese beetle infestation on the roses outside, I hope those fuckers die soon
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Finished all the beds today. Need a little more mulch but will do that later this week.
Planted 19 tomatoes, 2 tomatillos and 3 zucchini the other day. Doing well, no shock.
Probably will be planting most of the other beds this week and waiting until after last frost to transplant some other things.
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>>1509878
>>1509879
Centipede, a predator.
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>>1509878
one time I repotted an older peace lilly I had; it was by far the healthiest and most vibrant of all the peace lillies I had, just wanted to give it a bigger pot...

and when I slid that thing out of its pot, it was 60 percent roots, 40 percent millipedes. Just endless endless coiling writhing millipedes everywhere, not a speck of soil to be seen.

I screamed and jammed it back in the pot and never touched it again

damn healthy plant, but how could all those millipedes be alive in there like that? What were they living off of? Why was the lilly SO healthy with nothing but millipedes and roots?
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>go out to clear brush to make more space for the garden
>brand new folding saw
>cutting tiny softwoods
>saw catches and snaps in half
Fucking Chinesium bullshit.
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>>1509917
oh yeah they also aereate the soil too

>>1509925
well mine are centipedes so there's only enough to live off other small insects like spiders and worms, but millipedes are just like worms in the sense that they'll eat rotting plant matter and poop it out as usable nutrients for the plant. Which if not for the millipede, would be something else. However millipedes are really common, even found past the Arctic circle where other decomposers might die.
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>>1509935
Centipedes are fun. If you have an issue with fungus gnats in a potted plant, they'll clear that right up.
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>>1509934
A good saw will be carbon steel and spring tempered on the spine. Only the teeth will be hardened more than spring tempered. You can do just about anything and it won't snap.
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>>1509934
You get what you pay for.
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>>1509943
I paid a premium for the fucking thing. Contacted customer support. We'll see what happens.
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>>1509917
https://www.almanac.com/pest/japanese-beetles
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>>1509919
Looks good. At lot of works goes into getting new beds up and going. I've been running at full speed shoveling. Hopefully, I'll have at least 2 beds ready for tomatoes...soon.
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16 chickens butchered. 47.5lbs of meat off the bone so far (will finish up tomorrow.) 31 quarts of chicken broth pressure canned. Those Cornish X Rock chickens were massive this time around, like small turkey sized.
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How much shade is recommended for summer growing with piercing Texas sun? I know there are hardier cultivars and chards and kale are quite tough BUT I would like to grow lettuces and herbs as well.

I'm already starting to lean more and more day by day to Kratky hydroponics for an urban, incredibly tight spaced market garden.
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>>1510079
Chard still likes a bit of shade. 50% shade cloth in green color should be fine for your needs.
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>>1510085
Any recommendations on a supplier?
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what's wrong with him
what's wrong with my boy?
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>>1510086
No clue. Try local first. Then order online if needed.

>>1510087
Looks like Freckles cultivar.
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>>1510089
Do you think Botanical Interests would mess with their seeds like that?
That's where I got the seeds from, it's supposed to be buttercrunch
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this freaking weather is screwing up everything....either it's raining or it drops 20 degrees every effing opportunity I have to take the plants, I already don't have room for, outside

I'm already at least a week behind on the next round of planting
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>>1510091
Some buttercrunch do have some freckle expression.

>>1510094
Sounds like my life last month.
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>>1510097
Sounds like my boys gonna be a real qt
thanks anon
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>>1510099
The freckles probably express more or less due to some things in the water or whatever.
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Is there any real reason to do kratky over DWC?

From what I see kratky is just a step away from being DWC and if you had the means to add an air pump and air stone would there be any reason to not to?
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>>1510105
Electric costs. Though, you can setup a wind turbine to pump the air or make electric to power the electric pump. The type of plant and length of time it is growing should also make a big difference as to which one will be better than the other.
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>>1510109
Considering how negligible the cost of running an air pump is, I don't see a reason not to
If anything at least with an air pump it keeps the water moving and not stagnate
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>>1510122
I think it would depend on how large the system is.
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>>1509953
Yeah I'm gonna get the pest control guy to put some milky spores in the soil so they can't pay anymore larvae, hopefully that and some neem oil will do the trick
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>>1506735
I have recently gained access to a small planter box and i planted tomatoes, beans and cucumbers first day i could, all three have sprouted and there is little tiny tomatoes, so i guess you could call me a regular farmer macdonald
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>>1510153
everyone starts somewhere Anon, glad to hear you've joined the club. Look into composting, will save you a bit of money on fertilizer and save the planet all at the same time. Still haven't got one and wish I could put all my coffee grinds to good use :(
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>>1510105
For lettuces (and I guess any plant that matures before 50% of the reservoir is depleted) you get pretty much the same result without the added complications of running air tubes.
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Might be the wrong place to ask, but what are some good resources for identifying plants, especially edible plants, out in the wild? Specifically in the New England/PA area? Any recommended reading?
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>>1510418
Sad to say this but check for facebook groups. Plenty of helpful ones in maine at least.
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>>1510418
eattheweeds.com
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Damn, just realized I've been with this thread since #75. Here's to another 100 my dudes.
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I have a conundrum.
Should I use pots or should I build beds? Its 8x16
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Oops forgot picture .
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Anything I can grow on an old gravel driveway? It’s so old that it now has a little less than 1 inch of soil on the top.

>>1509025
Still haven’t forgot about you Anon. Didn’t get the blackberries in before it rained, but found this lil guy during my lunch break.
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>>1510585
>>1510586
Pots are more flexible.
You can move stuff in and out as needed.
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>>1510590
Downside is your stuff will be smaller, but judging by the size of that house, you don't mind.
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>>1510595
I use the space I got. Its 8' high.
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>>1510590
>>1510595
I'll add if your going to do pots outside, use fabric or air pots as the final container
No root bounding and larger root mass
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>>1510600
Good on you, owning your own house is hard.
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>>1510600
is the jeep in the background stuck in that ditch?
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>>1510586
>>1510600
Wat are thre 2x's, across top and vertical, there for?
>>1510590
Wouldn't rolling the sheet back be far easier?
>>1510630
If no driver, then most likely it has a for sale sign in the window.
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>>1510600
you growing tomatoes under those hoops?
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>>1510070
thanks anon. Planted all our herbs today.
Cinnamon basil, emily basil, dill, oregano and parsley.

After we were done with the beds I wished we had more land so then I would have a reason to buy a tractor and bed former.
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>>1510541
>tfw been here since the /ck/ era.

Its actually a good feel. Cheers!

>>1510589
Neat. I found a rather large garter snake in my elephant garlic patch a few days ago. I hope it takes care of my vole problem.

>Anything I can grow on an old gravel driveway?
Personally, I wouldn't grow anything I'd eat, due to possible pollutants from vehicles and people pouring stuff in driveways. For ornamental plants, you should check out, "gravel gardens." There's quite a few nice plants that can grow in that sort of environment and look good doing it. Hope that helps. >>>/an/plant may have more ideas.

>>1510585
>>1510586
If I ever get mine up, I'll be making it so the floor drains and I can use tables, barrels, benches, pots, shelving, etc inside. That way I can do whatever I want with starts and some tropical/sub-tropical plants. For actual beds, I'd use one built on rails so it can move on and off beds as needed.

>>1510740
lol All day I've been like, "A tractor for this job would be really nice." Then I noticed that the paths between the rows just happen to be the right distance for tractor tires. All I did today was mix soil, unload a literal ton of sand, and fill holes.
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What is wrong with my boy?
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>>1510819
Not enough sun.
Too much water.
Too many plants in the same pot.
Last one is most likely, but work your way through the list.
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>>1510821
It’s sitting in front of a sunny ledge, I wanted it but I think I should slow down, what do I do if there’s too many in one pot?
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>>1510824
Separate them and put them in separate pots.
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>>1510821
Seconding this post.
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I got a mystery seed in a packet of okra seeds about one month back. It's getting too big for the cup but I'll gonna transplant it on Friday. Hopefully that'll help with the leaf curl.

All I know is that it's a cucurbit of some sort...maybe.
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>>1510854
That's weird. I wish I'd get a mystery seed like that in a packet. The last time was bur-cucumber in someone's soil when they gave me another plant.
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What stuff can I grow on my balcony starting now?
I live in a decently humid area that hits 70-90 degrees
I'm thinking tomatoes and basil, what easy stuff can I start off with?
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Hey all,

I've got some european bear garlic seeds in my fridge. I live in North America (Southern Ontario) and want to grow a few patches in the same forest as my ramps.

Are there any major concerns about disease or invasiveness? If not, should I plant them in similar areas as the ramps? Are deciduous trees in shaded areas the best bet? Also, is it possible to plant the seeds too early? Do they need a well-timed warm-cold-warm cycle to germinate or are they fairly easy?
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>>1510934
What direction does your balcony face? If south anything you want just in a pot.
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>>1510938
Allium ursinum is highly invasive. You'd need to keep a garden patch tended so it won't spread beyond where you want it. You'll need some sort of well defined boarder they can't cross if you want to do less tending. Otherwise, you'll be digging escapees them out every season. They need about 90 days of cold stratification and planting them in the fall is best for easiest germination.
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>>1510688
>WHat are the 2x's, across top and vertical, there for?
For support against snow. I build this mostly out of scaps.

>>1510720
Tomato, marijuana, and peppers. Maybe salad greens in the winter .,
>>1510630
Neighbor is selling it. It grabs more attention that way.
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>>1507859
oh crap thought i answered, but yes it gets alot of light
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>>1511084
Well, you are really only limited by the number of direct sunlight hours and space. You can grow whatever you want, within those limitations. People who are really into it will have typical containers as well as the entire wall setup to grow stuff like cole crops and lettuce.
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Hi all,

I have some cucumber seedlings and squash seedlings that are outgrowing their indoor grow light setup and want to get them out. I know they don't appreciate really cold weather, but I don't know what the exact requirements for temperature are. At this point in Ontario, the overnight temperature isn't going below 6 degC, and will be averaging 10 degC in a week or so.

What is the earliest that cucumbers and squash can be put out? I don't want to kill them, but I know that a lot of the recommended planting dates are way too conservative (some of them told me to plant kale at the date of last frost).
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>>1511137
usually squash i not planted until two weeks after the last frost. Unless... you grow with season extensions e.g. row covers/plastic.

I'd say for the meantime you will probably have to repot them and bring them out during the day and take them in at night. Its a pain in the ass but really the only way to do it.
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>>1511137
Harden them off.
Plant them.
Throw a tarp over them if its going to be in the 30s at night.
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>North East
if you haven't started hardening off, the next 6 days will be great.
cloudy with partial sun, cooler temps and some rain.
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>>1510586
that pug is so fucking thicc
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for the people that use grass clippings as mulch... I need to mulch my short season beds in a few weeks.
How long do you let the grass dry out before topping the beds?
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>>1511203
If you are tossing it 1-2 times a day so it doesn't clump, it will dry out and turn golden brown in 1-2 days depending on weather. Use it then
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>>1511210
thanks anon
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Tomatoes have exploded since Sunday
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>>1511230
Looks good. I just planted 40 today after 2 days digging their holes and mixing the soil.
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>>1511146
Yeah, I've taken advantage of the cool weather and high UV index to start hardening everything off. You're right though, hauling all these plants in and out while having a full time job is a bitch.

>>1511150
Ok, so as long as it doesn't get into frost range, they won't die? Will exposure to temps in the 2-5degC range retard their growth at all or should they be fine? The UV index is in the 3-6 range so I'm gonna get them all outside and start the hardening off process.
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Any Toronto/Ontario /out/ists know any good sellers of bulbs and veggie seedlings? I grew onions from seed, starting them indoors in February and putting them in spring, but it's such a bitch for a small amount of money's worth of production.

I'm realizing that as long as I'm a suburban wage cuck with limited space in his home, buying pre-grown plants for most things is the way to go. I'm mainly looking for blue scotch kale, scallions, and leeks. I can grow my peppers and tomatoes indoors because I only have about 5 of each.
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Ordered 120 ramps and go figure they come right before work starts. Threw them in some water for the meantime. Hope this isn't a colossal fuckup - I was hoping they would arrive on my day off so I could go plant them.
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what's a good sub $100 dollar led grow light that a can buy lads?
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>>1511317
They should be fine like that and not in direct sunlight. You can also put them in the fridge to help maintain them from stress. Just plant in the evenings before dark.

>>1511328
It really depends on your needs. Like what stage of plant growth, square area of foot print, and so on.
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>>1506735
One of my ten day old Morning Glories.
Transplanted into fox farms ocean forest two days ago hope it’s not too strong for them
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>>1511408
I just direct seeded mine. But I had a lot of seeds. did it too early for the area but I got move seeds and other climbing annuals to plant. Want to cover the whole fence.
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Men,
Any of you got literature regarding general diet of a homesteader? I've read Gene Logsdon and some permaculture stuff and it's great but I still don't see how I could possibly get through 365 days all on my own. That's about 700,000 calories (just for me)! And of course I dream of one day providing for a wife and children. How did lower class farmers and peasants subsist over the past millennia?
I guess I'm looking for a very explicit book regarding the history of diet of American homesteaders. Preferably non-pastoral diets that included wild game occasionally.
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>>1511479
By relying on neighbors and friends. You can do it entirely by yourself if you want to make it unnecessarily hard, but trading things you don't need for things you do need has never stopped being a thing.
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>>1511480
Basically read it like this, say you have some extra jars of preserves or some extra eggs. You take them over to your friend who is a miller to get flour to make bread etc. You didn't learn about bartering while in school?
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>>1511480
>>1511483
Mmm yes, Mr. Logsdon was a big supporter of rural communities and it sure sounds swell. But what I'm really wondering is what exactly a homesteader eats to get by day to day.

Like what dishes would a rural american eat? Sure eggs and (corn)bread for a meal. Rabbit or some other game for dinner. What else? What about during winter?
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>>1511487
You supplement your day to day meals with what you grow. Greens and stuff like that. In the winter, you have preserved meat and whatever grows during the winter time.
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>>1511479
Foods really cheap. You dont need to earn much side income to buy a lot of rice and beans.r(
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>>1511493
trufax, depending on where you live you can scrape by on 1k/mo (dunno about when you factor kids in, though.)
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>>1511479
I think you are confusing homesteading and self-sufficiency with "living on the moon" which is a common thing among people who don't know anything about it. What you are referring to is "subsistence farming" where you acquire most of your food by farming it. At what level you do this is up to you. It may be only farming for food or farming for food and enough profit to pay for everything.

It really isn't difficult. You just make it your job, have the skills, the land, and knowledge of how to do it. You can fail miserably or succeeded very well. We have the internet now, which is loaded with more info than 1 person could ever know. If you have enough land and start up capital then there's no excuse not to have year-round harvests and butchering.

You can even go so far as to grow/pasture all the food for your animals. The more you do the more you job grows.

>>1511483
I trade my crops and meat for other crops, different meat, and services. I also sold a few hundred starts this spring. That paid for everything I need to do with the crops I'm growing. As in it paid for all the electric used during growing starts indoors and buying seeds I don't have or ones clients want I don't have. I sell eggs and trade eggs. I sell/trade chicks, ducklings, and goslings. That pays for all the poultry needs with lots to spare. I'm trying to get things ready for raising rabbits and pool money, supplies, and help for raising a greenhouse. I traded canned goods for tractor services and the poultry money is also going towards having someone deliver 10 tons of manure.

>>1511487
>what exactly a homesteader eats to get by day to day

Personally, it is everything I grow, forage, hunt/fish, trap, raise, trade for, and limited purchases. See this >>1510072 that was a small amount of chickens butchered and it gave me meat for 1 person for 190 days. This collage of images (reposted) is also all mine and should give you some insight.

>>1511493
>>1511496
I spend $300/year on food now.
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>>1511500
...ran out of room. That canned broth also makes for about 124 meals for soup/stew. Aquaculture is a big thing too, but I'm only just getting into it a tiny amount. I still need to build some cages for fish, but normal fishing is like a meal a day if I wanted. That's without need for a fishing license since I'm on my own property. Trapping brings in lots of meat just in the form of pest animals like raccoons, opossums, groundhogs, etc. It only takes 10mins to set a trotline and as long to check and collect. I rarely hunt anymore. It isn't as good of a payoff anymore in this area as it once was. It also wastes a lot of time, unless there's something that jumped the fence and is munching on my crops. Which happens from time to time. Sugars comes from sorghum, honey, and maple syrup. I'd like a larger crop for those.

>pic also related
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>>1511502
Ill be buying land in midcoast maine next year to live this lifestyle. I cant wait. Havent figured out health insurance yet.
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>>1511496
1000$ A month for food? Where do you live?
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>>1511504
>Maine
I'm so sorry. My plan is to stay in the Carolinas, or maybe Virginia or Georgia somewhere.
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>>1511506
Not just food, but other bills like utilities or whatever. Those aren't my expenses, though, I'm stuck living in the shitty suburbs for now. I know someone else who claims to live off that much and he doesn't even really homestead. Just dirt poor.
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>>1511508
I don't make more than about $3.6k/year on a good year.
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>>1511511
Yeah, but you own your own land and grow your own food and all that jazz. You're in a different kind of poverty, the one where you're not dirt poor but still have money.
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>>1511508
My total bills are about that high but that includes a 875$ mortgage.
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>>1511512
Yeah, despite the low low amount of income, I still happen to have more disposable income each month than anyone I know. I just put most everything back into the farm.

>>1511513
Get rid of that debt, asap.
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sigh

it jumped like 20 degrees today above yesterday, stormed, and now went back down 15....chance of frost tomorrow night and won't be even in the 60s till next week
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>>1511513
Our house is paid, but our utilities here are insane which is part of why we're so ready to move. Planning on paying the full new house in cash.
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>>1507230
I've been /out/ for a while, but I remember your yard from like general #30, it's looking real good mate. 10/10 would barbaque here.
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>>1511515
Disposable income is hard, so many people don't have it and would rather do shit like spend like 1500/mo on day care because both parents need to work so they can have disposable income that they don't have because what would be disposable goes toward daycare. Shit's vicious.
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>>1508222
>Fruit stickers
>Not Bio-degradable
I thought fruit stickers were edible so no one could sue them for accidentally swallowing them, how are they not degradable?
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>>1508260
don't have kids is probably the best answer. and shit like buy matches instead of lighters is dumb because i bet a match factory uses just as much gas in their delivery trucks, just as much wrapping/saran in the packaging warehouse, just as much plastic in their machines and how they acquire their materials, and just as much electricity as a match company..but if it makes you feel better that you think you and a couple thousand other people are offsetting how many millions of tons of plastic are being used and discarded every day/year go for it...it makes me feel good about myself but that's all it does. how about you run for office and watch your propositions get turned down by the kings men. either that or use your brain, man up & toss a molotov. Au revoir!



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