Does anyone on /out/ homestead? I’m 18 and have a dream of owning a small farm to live on in the future. Is there anything anyone can tell me? What would the cost of starting a small farm with a garden and maybe chickens or goats. Is this dumb, what should I have on the farm, and how much should I save up? I hope to start the farm before I’m 40.
Following.From what I've seen here and there chickens are pretty cheap. Just the wood and materials to construct a coop and fence. Easy DIY feeding systems too. A lot of good guides on YouTube.
>>1448188I'm gonna guess the cost would be below 1k for getting a small chicken coop set up. I guess it depends on how many you want. If I'm just feeding me and my family eggs then I dont see the need to have anymore than half 5 or 6 hens
>>1448189if you eat a lot of eggs, you'll want at least 10, they don't produce a lot in the winter, also they will die occasionally
>>1448208How often do hens die off and what from? I know about the dangers with coyotes but not much else
>>1448215I’d imagine cold, raptors like owls or hawks, and illness would be issues.
>>1448215Natural predators like coyotes, foxes, feral dogs will kill an entire henhouse and those fucks can squeeze through fences.
>>1448280Is it worth getting a vet to have them checked out or just put them out of their misery? Illness wise>>1448291I've heard donkeys are a good natural deterrent with coyotes and foxes. Any truth to it? We will of course have dogs and guns too.
>>1448336>donkeysare assholes. they do good lookout with their bigass ears
op gonna get eaten by silver back gorila.
>>1448187Gridlessness is a really good homeseating channel, their in BC canada and houses a big family for relatively low up front capital to build. The One thing i find most interesting is that the family seem happy and at a normal mental state not crazy prepers or anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6F1l4Zzlhc&t=2568s
>>1448187Start by helping with a community garden first to see if you like it.
>>1448187I'm going for a similiar goal. My plan is to be able to produce all my food by the time I'm 30, and with how it's looking rn, I'll probably make that goal.>what should I have on the farmDepends on what you want. For me, it's vegetables, grain, fruit trees, bees and chickens.>how much should I save up?Enough to last you for a couple months to a year if you have no income. If you were asking how much you should save before beginning homesteading, the answer is nothing. Better start as soon as you can, even if it's just a beehive on a balcony or some plants in a larg pot. Of course, you'll need to work a regular job at the same time until your farm makes enough money, but that's doable.>I hope to start the farm before I’m 40.entirely possible. most expensive part (and thus the hardest to do) will probably be buying or building a house, but if you're somewhere where you don't have strict building codes or can legally live in an RV, you could start pretty much immediately.
>>1448187You should grow tomatoes from seed (first pack is about a dollar) then grow potatoes from potato eyes and once each plant is big enough graft the tomato onto the potato then you'll have doubled your space for plants
Not OP but I have a question, roughly how many acres will it take to grow enough food for a large family, say 6 kids? I'd like to be as self-sufficient as possible, eating as much as we can from our produce and growing as much feed for the animals as possible. I just need to kinda break even on the farm but by the time this happens I'll have inheritance money that will cover any luxuries (not that there'll be many of them) so I don't think I'll need much extra to sell
>>1448187Where do you live, because temperature will say what you do
>>1448187honestly become a farm hand to make sure you like it before spending a bunch of cash
>>1448187>What would the cost of starting a small farm with a garden and maybe chickens or goatsSeriously? Upwards of 250,000.00 USD. Right off, you are not going to be a homesteader on 3 or 5 acres. You need to do the research on how much land in pasture can support how many pounds of protien production. It is more than you think. Heat with wood? One acre of mature woodlot can sustainably provide on cord of firewood per year. How many cord will you need to heat a well insulated sub 1000 sqft abode at 43N? At least 4. So, right there you are going to want at least 4 acres of woodlot. What is the price for land in your area? How do you even know if that land is suitable for cultivating anything other than rocks? Short answer is this: 50 acres is a bare minimum for land holding. A thousand sqft abode is going to cost you 150K at least if you sub out everything. Can you dig a hole for a footer and foundation? Have you poured cement? Do you know how to frame a stick building? Have you run electric and plumbing? Starting a homestead is much more complicated, in reality, than going to school, habing the teachers feed you material, gaining a degree and getting a job. ANd the start up costs are just as high.
>>1448710>vegetables, grain, fruit treesCan any old piece of land support this? Please elucidate your methodology for assessing a particular properties likely hood to support these pursuits.....
>>1448710>you could start pretty much immediately.On how much land, and how much is that land going to cost you?
>>1448187Also see: >>1447141
>>1448187Go and do some bitch work on some local farms. Besides it giving you first hand knowledge on how to run a farm, it allows you to see if it's some thing you wanted. Running a farm is a shit ton easier than a homestead.
look, you get out ahead of them. you train harder and you run further. and you get a little homestead.
I'm going to start raise quail if everything falls into place. They don't need much room and are smaller. Any tips? OP you should try quail ass well as chickens.
>>1449173t. pic related
>>1449287Instead of sniping, care to change it up and offer proof of why you think I have no clue? I would be pic related if I believed you would or could. I can smell someone who has never owned land from here, and you sir, reek.
>>1449173>250kIs this a joke?
>>1449292I've been in the market and land is pretty cheap compared to your projected numbers, unless you live in California. OP wants a small farm/homestead which is arguably less than a dozen acres. Most flyover states have that around several grand or so. Chickens are dumb cheap. Dont know much about goats tho. A house, septic system and taxes will cost the most but still doesnt add up to 250k at the end of the day. I've seen people use pic related and its several thousand depending on where you get it. These models are sold everywhere. Honestly maybe 40-50k to get everything up and running.
>>1449294>which is arguably less than a dozen acresYOu are completely wrong in your assessment. You need a dozen acres of accessible woodlot to be sustainable in just wood for a homestead. How many homesteads have you lived on and for how long?
>>1449293>Is this a joke?It will take 250 to acquire enough verdant land and woodlot, and a 1000 sq ft existing well built abode, with another out building to start you home business.If you think you can waltz up on a piece of property, fell trees, mill them, lay foundation, raise walls, roof, dig well, gray water system, etc, all the while planting anything is delsuional.It will take easily 250K to buy the right property, and have someone build while you plant crop to raise to feed yourself and have to go to market to pay your taxes. Armchair real estate agent is not actually doing it, nor, as evinced here, is it anywhere near realistic for someone to actually do.t. lives on a hundred acres and exchanges crops for fiats.
>>1449299You're adding in numbers trying to make yourself look smart. You can still get it done with what he said.
>>1449299Timestamp with your farm
>>1449321>You can still get it done with what he said.Try it. I find it amusing that a person can see a rendering of pigs and chickens and corn and cows and a house and gardens and tree fruit, on about a half acre, and actually think that it represents reality. Have you even consulted with someone who actually operates a going concern of animal husbandry and horticulture? It is indeed amusing that persons will sit in their armchair and not bother to do a whit of research, let alone get a book from a library and find out how many acres of pasture it takes to sustain, one cow, or one pig, etc. Neither will you look up how many cords of wood one acre can sustainably provide per annum. Seriously. Don't bother to actually find a 'small' farm, that is debt free, owns the land outright, and year after year keeps the tax man at bay, while providing for all next years inputs, and putting away for replacement of equipment, and saves a bit for emergencies. At least start with a decent understanding that 5 acres is not going to get you a "homestead". % acres is not going to even provide you with wood to heat and cook on year in and out. Keep thinking it is. It is a hoot to see you come out to the sticks and denude your property becuase you have no clue....
>>1449341Timestamp with your farm
You should recruit vanlife hippies to build your homestead in exchange for running water.
>>1449296There are maybe 30 days in an entire year where heat is required (as in < 50F) in the southeast. If you are going to cook with fire, then you will need some additional wood, but its not exactly a hard thing to come by. Around here, a truckload is like 15-20 bucks and people will literally pay you to haul off fallen trees.
>>1449341>acting like subsistence farming is difficult or expensive when literal 60IQ African muckfarmers living in plastic saturated arid regions manage to scrape by
>>1449555>>1449559If it is sooooo easy, why are (you) posting here instead of doing it? Seriously. Why are you not making it in the world of subsitance farming instead of wage cucking and whinging on a porn board? It is, after all, according to you both easy and requires little capital outlay.....unhuh.....
>>1449567Timestamp with your farm
>>1449594A timestamp with my farm is meaning less. Although, I will endeavor today to make you happy. What is easily done, and should be done, is fact checking. Exactly what facts are going to be correlated with a time stamp? That I exist? Here is how you can correlate everything I have said. Inter library loan, or if you library is expansive enough, utilise the books of stored knowledge to figure out:-how many cords of wood can you sustainably harvest from one acre of land-how many acres of pasture in the summer for grazing, and then how many acres of grass and silage need to be stored per ox or milk cow-how many acre of barley does it take to turn a piglet into approx 150 lbs of meat/bone? WHy barley as opposed to corn?The questions you have to answer to be a sustanance farmer are copious. I have hinted at the nuance and complexity of such. In the last case you feed pigs barley instead of corn because the digestive tract in a pig can only access about 55% of the total nutrients and calories contained in any ammount of corn. A pig, however, can convert 95% of that which is contained in barley. Still, you are going to need acres of barley to raise one piglet to slaughter rate. If you did reseach, instead of petulantly demanding a time stamp, all of these FACTS would start to imprint upon you. But, who is here for facts? Certainly not anyone who looks at a nice rendering of a smallholding and automatically thinks it is a representation of reality.Dox me if you can. Pic attached is a few years old. It shows the four acres of fruit trees planted all as less than 1" caliper so they are maturing not at their peak on standard root-stocks, deer fenced because if you think you are the only thing that eats you are sadly delusional, and two of the outbuildings that support the horticulture and animal husbandry that goes on hereabouts....
>>1449731>barley.apologies, brain fart. OATS. Was up last night at the public hearing for the town budget ahead of town meeting day. Got home at 10:30 and the mind kept me up past 2 AM wrangling over the 14% increase that the budget committe "wants" as compared to last year. Looks like the cost of fruit just went up.....
So, care to take a guess of how much it labor and money went into clearing four acres of land, making sure that all the slash is hauled off, stumping, grading, infilling with grass and ground covers, fencing, then planting 440 fruit trees in it? Why would I convert 4 acres of forest into fruit? How much do I spend each season on Organic certified supplements and sprays to keep a balance between production and the pressures of disease, fungus, insects etc? What does one gross per acre of organic fruit? What is your net?I can hand you a spread sheet that shows all this, but the only response I will get is that I need to provide a time stamp, or I must be stupid for having to have inputs to produce a crop. Here is the researchable truth: an acre of organic fruit is going to GROSS approx 20k dollars. What it the net? about 45%. It costs alot to purchase:neem oil - nasty taste to most insects so they bugger off to another plant to much on.karanja oil - antioxident especially effective in preventing FIREBLIGHT, and also counteracts other bacterials and fungieffective microbes - which outcompete the basic food source of other microbes which attack trees.spinosoad - a mixture of two bacteria that inturrupt the ability of Apple Maggot Fly from laying eggs and reproducingkelp - nutrition, becuase a healthy tree is better able to fend off all pressures.Fish parts - everything but the fillet, upcycles the waste of fish as food, nutrient for healthy treesSeaweed slurry - nutrient.Sea Crop sea water extract - super rich in micronutrients and minerals for health, also a means of controlling FIREBLIGHT.Azomite - fossil mineralised nutrientOMRI registered progro 5-3-4All that adds up to about 5 grand last year to keep my trees green, healthy and productive. ALl that adds up to a steady need for revenues to keep producing. It ain't easy, nor cheap, being green.....THat is the basic list and last year that was
>>1448187>price of land>price of constructing infrastructure on land (house, septic, power lines, driveway, plumbing, etc)>yearly property tax>yearly income needed for survivalIf you plan to live off the land; no outside job.>yearly cost of money spent on businessYou will need to sell stuff off your land, if you're going to get income from you land, in order to pay property and income tax. That will require licenses and fees in order to sell stuff to people if you plan to sell foods.
Americans and Canadians and Australians have all the cheap land they could ever want
>>1449173You Americans have so much land that you don't bother to use it efficiently, 50 acres is much more than anyone needs and can manage effectively by themselves, there's a reason the American slogan was forty acres and a mule, while in Britain it was three acres and a cow
>>1449876This>>1449731Timestamp with your farm
>>1449876>>1449912If you can do it on that and for a smidgeon of the amount, then why are (you) not doing it? There is your timestamp, alongside the first years plantings of fruit trees, taken from house looking east up the hill towards the out buildings.
>>1448187>Does anyone on /out/ homestead?You know that you're asking NEETs who LARP in their parents' gardens...
>>1448189ie lost about 5 over the course of 4 years. find a farmers market, and not that gay city shit farmers market, but an actual farmers auction and you'll find chicks for .25 cents. coops can be built easily, they dont need a lot of room, and prefer to sleep close to one another.
>>1449876That 40 arces and a mule isn't necessarily true about efficiency but more about how it was a slogan for reparations to freed slaves after the Civil War.
>>1449876the quality of our land varies a lot.in some places an acre might feed a family year round, in others 1000 acres wouldn't keep a person alive. Most of our land isn't farmable or even suitable for grazing continually.In most cases water is an even bigger problem than soil.
>>1449177>Can any old piece of land support this?No, you need water and moderate temperatures. So desert and permafrost are out. Other than that, any land can work, but depending on soil quality you might have to add lots of compost.>methodology for assessing a particular propertiesIn my case it was easy, as the land I own has been used for agriculture before and only been neglected for a few decades due to the owners ages.On unused land, the colour and texture of the soil are an indicator: the finer (less sand), darker and softer (more organic content) the soil is, the better it is. Then, if the land isn't muddy in winter and has water available in summer, it can be used for pretty much anything the climate permits.>>1449178>On how much land, and how much is that land going to cost you?I started with 400m2 i borrowed from an old couple who were unable to work them themselves, but didn't want to sell. It cost me only the time necessary to keep a public footpath on the border clean from overgrowth (which is legally required here). Of course, I couldn't completely live of it, but it was a start and allowed me to spend less money on food so I could save up more.But imo, even if you start with a single tomato plant grown in a pot on your parents balcony, that's better than waiting until you have the money to buy a whole farm at once.
>>1449731>A timestamp with my farm is meaning less.Then it shouldn't be a problem to post it, right? unless you're larping, of course.>-how many cords of wood can you sustainably harvest from one acre of landWhile I don't speak retard units, with trees grown specifically for firewood ("lowered" willow or ash) on suitable land, you can get 3-4m3 per tree every four to six years, so at least 0.5m3 per year and tree. The trees need ~16m2 each, so an american acre should supply 125m3. For comparison, my family (4 people in a well insulated house in central europe) require 5-6m3 for heating, and the largest house I know that is heated with wood (virtually no insulation, 15 people, central europe) needs 15-25m3/year.>utilise the books of stored knowledgeforget about books. unless you're living in the same area as the author, the values stated in them won't help you.>how many acre of barley does it take to turn a piglet into approx 150 lbs of meat/bone? WHy barley as opposed to corn?who grows feed for a smallholding? just herd the pigs into the forest and have them fatten up on acorns roots etc. growing feed only makes sense if you have dozens of animals.
>>1448187I kinda like the idea./out/ ppl is this possible in TX climate?
>>1451962The 1 acre farm thing is a meme, but a homestead is definitely possible in texas. I’d say you need probably 5-20 acres to do something like the pic effectively but take that with a grain of salt since I don’t have actual experience, just reading books.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP6tVd1Zik4&list=PLxc4SnlOGvcuMivzyoAHESxzV-GvgVTzWpermaculture can be done on 1/4 acre or millions. it just depends on what you can afford. i watched that video lecture series(it's about 60 hours and also available to torrent) and read all of bill mollison's and geoff lawton's books(geoff has made many videos of his own that can be torrented too). this isn't hard(it shouldn't be) and neither should it be expensive. just start where you can and sculpt responsibly and thoughtfully. in a decade or two you can have a food forest with little to no maintenance. don't listen to the person that assumes everyone wants pigs and cattle and a commercial organic fruit orchard. he's destroying his land because he doesn't know better and ultimately making his life more difficult because of his ignorance and adherence to inefficient methods.
>>1449299Okay, Hoss (or anyone else), honest question. I'm kinda similar to OP (zoomer, like /out/, want to be self sufficient someday). Tell me if any of the following is completely unrealistic:>Work through my 20s, accumulate $100k+ savings.>Purchase property in rural PNW, 4-5 acres, off the grid, ~$50k>Spend first year preparing land and building abode, ~$20k <-- THIS is the # I'm not sure about>Work seasonally (perhaps just summers) for a few years to get by. Continue to improve land and abode.>Eventually reach point of self sufficiency :)With the land, I would being growing entirely for subsistence (no cash crops). Potatoes, corn, beans, veggies. Would also need a fairly large chicken coup (would like to be able to produce a dozen eggs a day).An older couple at my church actually just recently purchased a 2-3 acre property and cabin and I'm going to spend some time up there this spring and help them out (and enjoy the /out/).Some books:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/591741.The_Contrary_Farmerhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7389781-the-new-complete-book-of-self-sufficiencyhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/192570.Growing_Vegetables_West_of_the_Cascadeshttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/183595.Gardening_When_It_Counts <--- This is the only one I've read so far. Will reread soon.
>>1452209im a fellow zoomer who wants to be self-sufficient someday. i did a bit of research on all the numbers that go into homesteading a while ago. i can offer my $0.02>>Work through my 20s, accumulate $100k+ savings.definitely doable, unless ((they)) decide to crash our economy again>>Purchase property in rural PNW, 4-5 acres, off the grid, ~$50kif rural PNW is anything like rural CO you can get so, so much more land for that price if you look even slightly hard>>Spend first year preparing land and building abode, ~$20k <-- THIS is the # I'm not sure aboutdepends on how much of the work you do yourself, how big you want your home to be, and how expensive the materials you decide to use will be. $20k is definitely reasonable if you did all the work yourself BUT that means you’d have to do shit like install a septic tank+system, set up electricity, install a well, frame the home, and set up all the shit like drywall and windows. to me, those would be the hardest steps in building it. masonry aint hard once you practice and setting up the foundation and shit isnt too hard if you know your way around an excavator. if you hired other people to do the hard shit for you the price of your project skyrockets.>Work seasonally (perhaps just summers) for a few years to get by. Continue to improve land and abode.it probably wouldnt take many years desu. from what ive gathered it would be wise to do the house in one go in about a year or less, then do shit like the rest of the landscaping and paving the driveway to the nearest main road (if youre way innawoods this is gonna be a fucking nightmare to do alone) over the next couple years>Eventually reach point of self sufficiency :)depends on how hard you try! also keep in mind you need a license to sell pretty much everything except firewood from your land
>>1448845U know any websites or anything to find farmhand jobs. I've been looking on the internet for a while and haven't seen anything :(
>>1452243Thx boss>septic tank+system, set up electricity, install a wellI really think I'd like to go without any of that junk. At the moment, based on my /out/ experiences over the last few years, I think I would like to just live by a fresh water source and collect a few gallons every morning to use throughout the day. Perhaps I could also collect rain water off the roofs as well.>electricityAgain, I think I'd like to go as minimal as possible. Maybe just a single solar panel along with one self contained battery (just enough to power some lights as well a few power tools and batteries).Of course, maybe when I'm a 30 y/o boomer, I might want more luxuries in life.>>1452617I think you really have to have connections with some farmers to get those jobs. I worked on a family farm throughout high school and every white guy that worked there knew the owner some way or another. The reason, I believe, is because the work really does pay well and because it's often easier/cheaper for farmers to hire guys south of the border on temporary contracts/visas.You can try Craigslist, just be safe, lots of wacko farmers out there.
>>1452617I met several people while vacationing that worked/lived on farms for a couple months in places like Australia and France (I think). I specifically remember one girl saying she just found a facebook group for farmstays in Australia. You might want to ask /trv/ as it is fairly common way to make money for a couple months then continue traveling or make money while seeing a new place, even if it is just a far in the middle of nowhere.
Unless you fall into money young you’re going to just have to wage cuck like everyone else and when you do finally get a home get at least 1 acre and just work with it. An acre can get you a greenhouse + garden and a chicken run. You won’t be completely self sufficient but collect your water get a wind turbine if you want and just save your money so you can retire a little sooner
>>1452209While I can't say anything about your money estimates, this part is impossible:>Eventually reach point of self sufficiency :)>With the land, I would being growing entirely for subsistence (no cash crops).If you want complete selfsuffciency, you'll need to sell something in order to buy (or barter) the few things you can't produce yourself.For example, if you have some kind of vehicle with an engine, you'll need either electricity (or tools to produce it + spare parts) or fuel (diesel and gas can't be produced at home, ethanol gets taxed pretty much anywhere) to run it. Also, unless you're really into this, you'll most likely buy your tools rather than collecting iron ore and making them from scratch.So some kind of income will be necessary all the time, regardless of whether it's from your fields, animals (honey makes little work and sells well), renting out rooms or wageslaving a few hours each week.
>>1448189You can build one for free basically
>>1453054>diesel and gas can't be produced at homeI beg to differ. If you can gasify wood, biomass, tires, or plastic then you could have your own source of diesel.
>>1448215You've gotta use very fine wire for your fencing or you risk racoons, possums and big rodents killing your birds.
>>1453054Good point. I obviously haven't put much or nearly enough thought into all of it (it's still a long way down The Road). I would like to have accumulated enough wealth to be able to pay for a lot of my expenses for a significant amount, but I should think about ways to get a small, steady income.I guess when I say "self sufficiency", I really mean no bills, no rent, no groceries, really just no regular purchases necessary to get by (perhaps just a bi-monthly trip to town, depending on the season).
>>1448187I have 46 acres up near Jackman Maine, cost 50K. Came with 3 4abins, i joined 2 of them into a little house with a loft. Added a greenhouse for about 500 bux.Currently totally off grid besides internet and occasional kerosene because i haven't finished the woodshed yet. I have a dozen chickens and 4 goats, AMA.Pic related, i have rainbows about 30-40 days a year because it's a rainforest in the late spring.
>>1454142Dam son that sounds comfy as fuck. Some Anon have all the luck in the world.
>>1454172I broke my knee in the National Guard, got 20% VA disability then went to a school that gave free tuition to service disabled and saved all my GI bill pell grant/housing money.Luck has nothing to do with it, i planned the whole thing out years ago.
>>1454142double fuckin rainbow dude
>>1449567Not him, but I'm not doing it because I enjoy modern comforts. I make a lot of money in my day job, and would rather not do the manual labor required to make homesteading sustainable.That being said, your numbers are grossly inflated. I bought a 2000sqft home in a city for less than you're claiming a 1000sqft "abode" will cost to construct.
>>1454221Double rainbows pretty much always.Double ice halos around the moon at night.
>>1454236I have a whole folder of these
>>1454236>>1454240beautifulMy daughter cries when rainbows disappear
Hello, frens! Is it possible to grow nuts in Canada? I'm planning on moving there next year. All I dream about is having a nut orchard as a passive income. I will barter my nuts for eggs and meat. Who here based and nut-pilled?
>>1449263are you john marston?
>>1448187As much as I would love to do this there are a few problems, unless you live in buttfuck nowhere. People are going to hassle you, and you're going to need a source of income regardless. Because they gotta have their property taxes ffs. So you're a lot younger than me, try putting away 6k a year. After 5 years that's 30k and you can buy some cheap land out in the boonies. And this is going to be a hard, hard life. But I'm trying to do the same thing so I hope you get somewhere.
>>1454356Black wallnuts is your best bet for cold hardiness. Why barter them for eggs though? Chickens are some of the easiest animals to raise, get them in the spring, slaughter them when they're a couple months old, and you have free eggs and meat until winter. You can even build a movable coop to fertilize your fields
>>1454142Do you plan to buy more livestock or grow more? How many large animals could you keep on your property comfortably? Im saving to do the same, but not sure how many acres I'll need. I'd like to have around 20 head of livestock though
>>1455047Grow more crops, I mean
>>1449173>>1449299>I'm either a troll or a yuppieLol yr funny.
>>1448187>I’m 18 and have a dream of owning a small farm to live on in the future. Is there anything anyone can tell me? What would the cost of starting a small farm with a garden and maybe chickens or goats. Is this dumb, what should I have on the farm, and how much should I save up? I hope to start the farm before I’m 40.40 fucking years.Better off declaring disability, getting meme payments, and have access to disabled person home ownership loans and programs. That way, instead of by 40, you can get this done in your 20s and live the rest of your life in peace. Many states also have property tax exemptions for such individuals on fixed incomes.in b4>muh that isn't fairBetter some intelligent white man who wants to homestead gets my tax money for his welfare payments than a white trash single mother or niggers. I just wanted to add, I hate the absurdity of society, its dysgenic order and that the Enlightenment was a mistake. Thank you and god bless you.
>>1452243>if you hired other people to do the hard shit for you the price of your project skyrockets.you mean professionals? go ahead and pour an uneven foundation, no engineering consultation to ground stability or thickness of slab and see how much the maintenance work will cost you over your lifetime
This is going to be a quick and easy cost breakdown for those of you in the southern states.Acreage: $1500-2500 per acre. Do the math for size of family and actual agricultural output in your region to see the carrying capacity of the land. 40 acres in New Mexico is not the same as 40 acres of deep Arkansas riverbottom.House:Stick (Standard lumber framing)$50-100 /sq ft if you completely general contract your own house as a full time job. If you screw up, you will pay for it in maintenance cost or cost overruns (subs enjoy over running with inattentive GC's). You will also have to forgo a traditional 9-5 as you will have to run out to the site when Jorge ruins a pallet of tile or any other of the myriad tragedies.Manufactured Home:$45-60 sq/ foot one and done with a warranty. Add 3500 for a septic, add 2500 for a concrete foundation and home permanently affixed to foundation, 1000 for hookups to electric / rural water. You may turn your nose up at this option, but unless you spend a few years in the home building industry you are not going to get a house built as well as a quality manufactured home for the same cost.Total cost just for standard American small farmstead of 40 acres plus 1300 square foot cabin 3/2 near the worst case end of the spectrum? Manufactured: $64,999 + $100,000 + 7,000. Built on site with standard delays and lower-mid finishes ~$220,000.Go to college, get a 50k a year job, don't lose it or take a few years off to travel, and by 30 you can do this if you've saved just over 2 grand per month. This is before animals, but your main priority should be eliminating housing costs before you introduce animals into the picture. Quick animal protip tho: check craigslist for registered cattle / hogs that people got tired of keeping. It's hard work and normies get tired of their cute little piggies and cowies and sell them cheap.
>>1454214You planned to break your knee to get free stuff? Thats pretty hardcore Anon.
>>1455687Based. Thanks Hoss
>>1454214>>1454214Utterly and undeniably based and certifiably and retroactively and forever redpilled.
>>1455738I knew a bunch of guys who were in the army and like 5 out of 6 had VA for knee injuries so i assumed it would happen to me. My plan would have worked without it but the free school while still getting 10k in pell grants yearly sure as hell helped.