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In case of the inevitable crash of society, If I hunted small game with an airgun and bow and arrow and drink my pineneedle tea(i don't like scurvy), (and plant shit in summer) will I survive the winter? Will that be enough nutrients and vitamins to make me not die to death?

thx for the info /out/
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Hurr nothing will ever happen. Fucking loser, muh stock portfolio muh insurance, muh government.
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>>1410065
yeaaaah.
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>>1410061
I have a cheap pellet gun. It kills the squirrels in my yard. Theyre not great eating but not too bad.
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>>1410061
If you want to actually last the winter you need to get bigger game and dry that shit
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>>1410061
>will i survive the winter
>gives no indication of if he lives in siberia or costa rica
who is op, and why is he always a faggot?
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>>1410080
Southern Germany/close alps
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If you are actually worried about it, then don't forget salt. I have 300 pounds of salt on hand for hay and livestock which might be excessive for your needs but will get the job done for quite some time. Makes preserving meat much much easier. Past that trapping is far more efficient than hunting small game. If you have lots of squirrels look into squirrel poles. Birds are relatively easy to capture with a double funnel trap and bait is as easy as planting sunflowers. I grow all my own bird seed this way. As far as meat goes, chickens/rabbits/quails are easy low maintenance and don't take up much space. You will need fats which is hard to get from eggs/small game, but thankfully you have sunflowers now. Since you now have salt meat and fat its time to focus elsewhere, I suggest pumpkins/squash easy to grow easy to store. This should keep you alive, hungry, but alive. Suppliment with carbs, beans are easy to grow and process, corn is easy to grow but harder to process don't forget the potatoes. This will get old quickly so you will want to flavor your foods somehow, plant onions and garlic. Of course you will get bored of rabbit potato and garlic stew after a while, so plant some other vegetables to add variety.
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>>1410089
You also will be bound up all to hell and wishing for fiber, plant cabbages. At this point you will want to indulge your sweet tooth from time to time, fruit trees and berry bushes are your friend. Of course polination requires pollinators, and fruit really isn't all that sweet, get bees. If you have room for all this you probably have room for medium sized livestock. Get goats, some boer some dairy. If you have room for that you likely have room for a few larger animals, get a trio of cattle (or yaks if that is your fancy). Of course this is to much work for one man, so go get yourself a woman and start making some farm hands. However you will look crazy doing this for no reason and you don't want to look crazy, so get your kids in 4H so everything looks normal.

Congratulations you are fully prepared for when nothing happens. Go enjoy your wonderful life with a happy healthy family and sleep well at night knowing that all your bases are covered.
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>>1410061
People that say "bow and arrow" tend to not be very good with one.
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>>1410092
why tf did i write bow and arrow, I meant fishing rod. Even tho they might be worth looking into for easy-ammo-cost
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>>1410091
Boi, the best thing about this isn't even being prepared. I will for the rest of my life, with this setup, have fresh goat milk, eggs, fish, honey, wax for candles, occasional chicken and goat meat. That will be very healthy, considering how everything would be very bio and fresh.

That's actually a dream of mine, owning a house with lifestock, bees, solar panels. So that I produce everything but water by myself.
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>>1410125
Fuck I lol'd. Yeah though it's pretty easy skill to pick up. I'm trying to make my own but pretty terrible at it or I'm just expecting too much out of a basic wooden shape. I'm used to recurve and carbon.
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>>1410128

Thats the idea friend. I was going to go on about how you need like minded survival buddies so go make some friends who are doing the same thing as you, and some friends who aren't but know how to do things you don't. Maybe get a hunting buddy or a welding buddy, or anything else. But if you got this far the rest generally falls into place.

SHTF prepping is retarded because there is no such thing as a one man (or family) army you need community. As fate would have it every single one of us lives in a community already so all you have to do is to grow with/into the community. An added benefit is that if we all form these close knit communities then we wouldn't have to worry about societal collapse. Preppers need to get their head out of their ass and realize that it doesn't matter how many cans of beans you squirrel away, it's the human relationships that gets civilizations through hard times as we all work to improve our collective situation. Last fall my uncle was killed in an automobile accident, for lack of a better term we had a god damned party after his funeral helping my aunt make sure everything needing done. Half the fucking county showed up at his house to split wood/move his cattle to my other uncles farm for the winter/do shit that needed done. This is what we need, not lone wolfs sniping song birds with their bb gun.
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>>1410091
Based and redpilled
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>>1410061
Only if everyone else around you dies in that collapse. Trapping small game isn’t rocket science and hungry people will deplete the woods and rivers ASAP unless you’re out in the middle of the Amazon.
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>>1410080
>who is op, and why is he always a faggot?
Anons have been asking themselves this same question since the dawn of time anon. The question predates known musings on pre-paliolithic Tibetan silk weaving forums...
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>>1410310
Well, not a lot of people know how to fish and hunt, especially around here, and the rivers are really big
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>>1410348
>Millions of starving krauts too urbanized to save themselves
I can only get so erect
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>>1410148
>Preppers need to get their head out of their ass and realize that it doesn't matter how many cans of beans you squirrel away, it's the human relationships that gets civilizations through hard times as we all work to improve our collective situation.

That's easy to say if you don't have autism
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>>1410092
This, just say bow
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>>1410448

So just don't have autism?
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>>1410471
It's like saying "I went hunting with a gun and bullet"
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>>1410348
You aren’t giving them enough credit. It’s not difficult to make snares, nets, trot lines and the like when it’s a matter of life or death. You also have no concept of what impact people have on wild populations when they start relying on them for food. Even little Stone Age villages in the jungle can hunt out all the game for a couple of miles around. Now even if your neighbors are less efficient, there are still orders of magnitude more of them than the land can sustain.
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>>1410065
> Not having a retirement plan and a 'holy shit the polfags were right' plan
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>>1410496
This, there have been periods of scarcity/famine in Europe where everything was almost completely hunted out across nations, and this was at times with far smaller human populations.
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This thread reminds me of that one story.
Basically young guy tries to live in a cabin for the winter. Brings lots of supplies, hunts, etc. His problem ended up being that he couldn't find jack shit. Nothing was around in the dead of winter. Dude almost starved, lost a lot of weight but survived. Talked to some old timer after it was all done and the guy basically said yeah he needed double the supplies he had and yeah hard to hunt in the winter when nothing is around and hibernating/hunkering down.
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>>1412682
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?8382-Wilderness-Living-How-It-Really-Works

FOUND IT!!!!

Read it if you ever want to survive the winter.
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>>1412695
https://survivalblog.com/letter-re-grub-and-gearlessons/

That link also had an easier copy to read.
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>>1412682

>630 pounds of beef
>270 pounds of potatoes
Is it normal to have almost twice the amount of beef at potatoes in your beef stew? The way we made it it growing up was always double the amount of potatoes to the meat and then enough vegetables to make up the last quarter. Also boneless just means less flavor.
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>>1412701
Military don't want to cut all that meat away from the bones. Also look at all the other stuff, not just potatoes. It isn't that much meat.
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>>1410310

This will make me sound like a sociopath, but the point is not "surviving off the land", the point is "surviving off the land, longer than the mean".
The greatest danger will be other people, not even combat or physical assault, becoming emotionally attached to weaker individuals, exposure to disease the list is endless.
A solitary, young male could survive almost indeterminately, if he behaved cautiously, took great care to avoid attention. Make a fist: this is roughly 1lb of fresh meat, you could survive for one weak on this diet.

TL;DR: You could survive, but only only if there was > 3 of you at the absolute limit.
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>>1410091
redberried
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>>1410061
WHY DID YOU SHOOT THAT POOR CAT
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>>1410061
You don't get scurvy unless you eat grains buddy
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>>1410496
>>1411216
That's why we have to be ready to eat people
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>>1411216

Yeah, but back then, hunting and fishing with more relatively primitive methods was far more common, and they hadn't yet fully evolved into faggots willing to allow their government to take their guns and restrict their knives. Now hardly any would know what to do, or have the tools to do it.
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>>1410089
This guy is correct about trapping being better than hunting. If you've got plenty of squirrels, get a 10 foot length of 6 or 8 inch PVC pipe and cut it into 3 or 4 lengths, capping one end of each length. Smear a lil oil on the insides, plant some peanut butter at the bottom, afix it firmly to a tree, and check back once a day on each one. If squirrels are abundant where you live, then you should be able to to pull at least 1 squirrel a day with a set of 3 or 4 traps like this.
NOTE: this method of squirrel trapping isnt legal everywhere (it's not legal where I live), but if society gets to the point where you need to catch squirrels to live, then it won't really matter, so it doesn't hurt to keep a couple pipe lengths and a jar of peanut butter in the closet.

Also invest in one or two live cage traps, and some cat food to bait them with. If you need meat, it will catch you possum, raccoon, and even stray cats if you're hungry enough to eat those.

Trapping requires WAY less calorie expenditure than hunting does, and so in a situation where you're fighting starvation it is 100% the way to go.
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>>1410496
>>1411216
>>1412910
Or at the very least be ready to kill people for poaching your patch of territory.

My family has a 130 acre ranch with about 40 livestock on it right now, and if something were to happen RIGHT NOW, the best thing we could do to protect ourselves in the long run would be to set up night watch shifts and kill anyone who tries to rustle our cattle in the dark. 130 acres can grow a lot of food and sustain a decent-sized herd of cattle, but none of that matters if a group of a dozen blue haired hippies sneak in and steal everything because "wah, wah we're hungry and our lives are more important than yours!"

Claim a patch of land, make it workable, and kill anyone who trespasses, that's how you survive.
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Stop telling people how to survive, faggots.
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>>1410148
>As fate would have it every single one of us lives in a community
A small portion of people have a gene that makes them better solitary animals. Human beings are not all the same, there's plenty of fags out there who could live without a community, and probably do.

Anyways cites will always be a shit hole of violence in society collapse. Rural folks will be alright because normally they are homogeneous and tight knit.
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>>1410348
Hunger is a great motivator to learn and try new things
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>>1412940
Wishful thinking at its best. The hunting and fishing community alone is probably as big as the population of the whole country 200 years ago.
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Just fish a lot OP.
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>>1412701
Potatoes weigh a lot less than beef.
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>>1410061
Fish where there are asian carp, grow potatoes, grow fruit if you can, learn to preserve food, learn to trap and forage. You'll make it.
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>>1410070

you can eat a pellet gun?
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>>1410493

Or "I went angling with a fishing and a pole."
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>>1416214
reading comprehension not you best suit man?
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>>1412682
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>>1412940
You are romanticising the past far, far too much. We live in the best time in all of human history.

>>1414263
This is fallacious. More fisherman now than before doesn't mean fishing as a hobby is more common now relative to then. Fishermen per capita is the measure you are after.

Given rich world populations are vastly more urban now than before, it is fair to assume fishing happens less often per capita.

>>1414162
Even rogues rely on the productivity of a community of humans for their equipment. There are no one-man outfits producing outdoor equipment. It requires hundreds if not thousands of specialists each contributing in their own way to arrive at the superior technology we have access to.


On a broader point, how do any of you arrive at the conclusion that we're headed for some type of disaster? What evidence do you muster to support this conclusion? Generally curious.
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>>1416235
> We live in the best time in all of human history.

anon read a fucking book.
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>>1416235
>We live in the best time in all of human history.

Every inch of the globe has been mapped. That alone is enough to tell you we live in a garbage time.
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>>1413022
>a dozen blue haired hippies

they ain't the ones with all the guns
you know who has the guns and how they think about surviving
your fellow survivalists will slaughter you and your family (except for young girls who will be kept for breeding and young men who be made slaves) for all your stuff because, well, someone has to survive after all
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>>1416238

missing your laughter about this

you're sitting at a computer screen with possible access to all human knowledge

I imagine you are warm and your tummy is full(with food available everywhere, anytime, that used to be only available to kings

You will not die of small pox. plague. typhus, cholera, toothache, appendicitis, some cancers, etc.

now of you can't laid, then that's a personal problem

these are the good old days
times is good, my friend
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>>1416250
Oh I get it. I'd still trade all your locked up food, modern medicines and ability to look up sportball scores online for the edge of a map and the knowledge and agency to actually take care of myself.
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>>1410061
As some others have pointed out, there won't be any game if you're anywhere near society. The desperate will sweep through the forests like a plague of locusts slashing and shooting and burning and devouring.
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>>1416238

I did.

Austerity Ecology & the Collapse-Porn Addicts by Leigh Phillips
Factfulness by Hans Rosling
Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harrari
Anything by Steven Pinker

Overall found them pretty convincing. What have you read?
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>>1416351

>Said with the benefit of having grown up with all those things

If you're serious why are you even here?



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