What's a reliable used Porsche?
Boxster year without IMS problem, or one with the IMS replaced.
996 911 with a new IMSshit don't break
>>20944221a one-way ticket to grinding poverty
Who the fuck pits a space after the @??
>>20944894Just get the 996 Turbo
>>20944894>fried egg covers Oh I AM LAFFIN
>>20944221you can rely on all of them to have expensive repairs
>>20945053This desu.In few years amber turn signals will be the hottest retro meme.
>>20945093Expensive repairs doesn't necessarily mean unreliable.
>>20944942The turbo is unreliable, you should stay NA
ExpensiveA reliable used Porsche won't come for pennies
if you can’t afford a new porsche you can’t afford an old one
>>20945691>Expensive repairs doesn't necessarily mean unreliable.It does in industry and engineering.
>>20945691sorry>you can rely on all of them to have expensive repairs just as you intended to use them
>"What's a reliable used Porsche?">autistic german design>rr layout>specialty/non-interchange partstry again
>>20945993Perhaps, but that's not really relevant as the consumer. >>20946190I thought Porsches don't break down often? The problem is that when they DO break, and you have a shop fix it, you're gonna get your cheeks clapped.
>>20946285>german anything>not breaking down all the fucking timeGood one lmao
>>20944221>reliable >Porsche Choose one
>>20946285Yeah ignore these other busriders. Porsche is a reliable brand especially if you stick to naturally aspirated engines.
>>20946314>regurgitating memesLike I said, expensive repairs =/= unreliability
>>20946314imagine being this retarded
>>20946344>makes a point>backs it up with J.D. Power
Any that has been well maintained. The cars are remarkably robust if they're looked after properly, which is not even that hard to do
>>20944221Redpill me on 1998 986 Boxsters. This had the double row IMS so I'm not worried about that. Any other major issues to look out for? These things are now cheaper than fucking Miatas of the same year and I can't figure out if there's a reason or everyone's just lost their damn minds.
>>20946671Not too expensive to buy but still very expensive maintenance. Plus they're barely quicker than a similar year Miata.
>>20946671the double row ims bearing has about a 1% chance of failure, vs the later ones which had 10% chance of failure (I remember the numbers from the US class action lawsuit regarding it)all these IMS bearings fail, because even the double row ones are essentially skateboard bearings (at least seal-wise) with engine oil on one side, and bearing grease on the otherover time these seals degrade and the engine oil will flush away the grease the bearing needs, the bearing will function for a time when lubricated with engine oil but eventually it will wear out and this can cause the engine to explodeI believe ALL porsches of this era have either had the IMS fixed, have grenaded, or are running in this "broken seal/no bearing grease left" state, and as such are running on borrowed time
>>20946614is this bait
>>20946686>200+ hp >6 glorious horizontally opposed cylinders>midenginego cook some rice, weeb
>>20945719Am I being memed?
>>20946671As much as I love these the problem remains the cost of a replacement engine exceeds the purchase price of the car, sometimes now by 2x. IMS is overhyped but there are other failure modes that result in total engine replacement and any of them are catastrophic from an ownership perspective.
>>20944894that mod is just acknowledging you fucked up
>>20946722>Didn't refute a single one of my pointsAlso I'd rather have a zzw30 over either one.
>>20946756>ugliest girl in a beauty pageantit still drives like a 911 who gives a shit
>>20946756and therefore the only affordable one
>>20946769Ugly front lights but that ass is nice
>>20946726Thanks for the links, these are good reading!
>>20945719You fucking a. Asshole or b. MoronAsshole for.making me respond to bait, or moron for being that stupid.
>>20944221>What's a reliable used Porsche?Anything Mezger Block, these engines are overbuild as fuck.
>>20946344>GM in the top 10
>>20944221>Porsche>Reliable>FastChoose only two.
>>20946344>Pretend, if you will, that J.D. Power isn't total bullshit.Do they consider average miles driven per year? Nope.https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/forbes-touts-consumer-reports-porsches-will-last-200000-miles/>According to driver submitted data at TrueDelta, the average Boxster is driven only 5,000 miles a yearCars driven once a week have fewer problems per year than DDs.
>>20947558>autists on a mongolian turnip farming forum said they're unreliable so it's true
>>20945719normally this is truebut with porsche it's the opposite, their turbo engines are overbuilt as all fuck
>>20946671>These things are now cheaper than fucking Miatas of the same year and I can't figure out if there's a reason or everyone's just lost their damn minds.truth is 986 boxsters don't look good at all. They drive great though. If you can get over its looks its a great fucking car. I only find these newer boxsters attractive
>>20947618>>20947582you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>20946671>>20946710From the dead Porsche General
>>20948608If it's a Porsche and it's fast, it isn't reliable (911 Turbo)If it's a Porsche and it's reliable, it isn't fast (924, 944, Boxster)If it's reliable and fast, it isn't a Porsche. (everything else)It used to be cheap, fast and reliable, but there are no cheap Porsches, thanks boomers.
>>20948989t. never driven a Porsche before
>>20949010I skipped Porsche and went straight to Ferrari it wasn't much betterI still want an old 930 Turbo on BBS LMs I don't give a shit how much of a POS they are compared to the 964 and 993.
>>20949014>>patrician German brand loved by all"nah I'll take this italian fashion label that sells hats to turks"
>>20946722There's one near me with a front bumper damage and has only 60k miles. I'd replace it with something aftermarket and possibly drive this thing for ever.
Old cayennes are Reliable I guess.
>>20946995forced induction is always less reliable than natural aspirationthat's a fact
>>20947582>>20947618>/o/ can't even count to 3Pretty embarrassing t b h
Anyone ever own a 997? Is the 997.2 worth the money over the first revision?
>>20950473.2 introduced the 9A1 engine family, which isn't affected by the IMS bearing failures and other M96/M97 flaws anymore. It's also mandatory to get a .2 if you're looking for an automatic, as it introduced the PDK and the .1 still uses the old tiptronic slushbox.
>you will never own a 959
>>20950519jethuth chrithe why would anyone use a typewriter for serious work?
>>20950493I'd get a manual. Although the pdk certainly is cool, I enjoy rowing my own gears and while I like performance, I'm not necessarily after the slight improvement from lap times a dual-clutch can offer. Same reasoning with the convertible vs. coupe-- I'd get the convertible because I miss my old Miata. Anyway, from my research the main differences between the pre- and post-facelift models are LED exterior lights and the new direct-injected engine. Not really a distinction I care that much about, I think I'll go with the 997.1 because they're a lot cheaper. The sooner I can get one the better after all.
>>20944894imo these look good with the slantnose mod, better than blacking out your egg whites bro
>>20950563Those grills look like some autozone rice shit
>>20950551The biggest disadvantage of the .1's engine is that while the bearing only has a <1% failure rate, it's much harder to prevent than on something like a 996 as i requires a full engine teardown instead of being something you may as well replace along with the clutch.Get one that's actually been driven instead of a garage queen and be very careful of metal shavings in the oil.
>>20950587Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I'm not afraid of high mileage cars, having owned 2 bimmers with over 200k miles. A 100k mile porsche can hardly be worse
>>20950563That looks like garbage.
>>20949119>>20945719Educate yourself before you post stupid fucking shit like this.The NA engines in 996 and pre-facelift 997 are not great designs (except for the GT3). The failures range from IMS to crankshaft issues, heat exchanger, cylinder bores....The M96 engine (in naturally aspirated cars) works like this: the engine consists of four parts. Four camshafts are driven by a total of five chains: A duplex roller chain drives an intermediate shaft located below the crankshaft. From this intermediate shaft, a duplex roller chain at the front and rear of the engine leads to the exhaust camshafts. These drive via a simplex roller chain to the associated intake camshaft, which works with a camshaft adjustment (Vario Cam).A complicated and shit design.Turbo models, GT2 and GT3 have the „Metzger engine“ in which there are 2 duplex roller chains from the intermediate shaft directly to the intake and exhaust camshafts. The Metzger engine is far more reliable.Tl;dr: get fucked
>>20950616>A 100k mile porsche can hardly be worseLaughinggirls.png
>>20946312>987.2A 987.2 2.9 will be non direct injection. Match that with the manual gearbox and you have a very reliable understressed car.
>>20950924Turbo Models and GT3: Reliable, borderline bulletproof because based Metzger blocksEverything else: Overly complicated with chance of catastrophic engine failure
>>20950622its a hotweels
>>20950659Finally, someone who isn't a retard
>>20944221the one with the VW van engine