The fountain pen-obsessed entrepreneur behind 8ghan, the Internet’s most notorious hate forumhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-fountain-pen-obsessed-entrepreneur-behind-8ghan-the-internets-most-notorious-hate-forum/2019/08/08/90d52ce4-ba06-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html>compare this story to what the washington post was saying about 4chan just 5 years ago - don't forget to adjust the url of the 1st story to make the link workhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/02/meet-christopher-poole-the-mysterious-founder-of-4chan/The House Committee on Homeland Security wants to have words with the elusive owner of 8ghan — the infamous, anything-goes Internet forum favored by white supremacists and mass shooting suspects. Jim Watkins appears to have accepted the invitation, eager to defend his website as the world’s last bastion of unregulated speech. “I am on my way back to America as we speak,” he wrote to Congress from 8ghan’s base in the Philippines on Wednesday. “Rest assured I am not an extremist.”This raises the question of who Watkins is, then. If you were expecting to see members of Congress interrogate a man in a hooded robe or some hacker kid in a Guy Fawkes mask, let us clear up the misconception and introduce you to this 50-something American expat — a total fountain pen freak.“Every day’s a great day when you have a new Marlen pen!” Watkins said in an unboxing video on his YouTube channel in late March, two weeks after a gunman massacred 51 people at a mosque in New Zealand and a 74-page missive on 8ghan was linked to the suspect.In May, about a week after police linked a fatal shooting at a California synagogue to another declaration on 8ghan, Watkins showed off Marlen’s Ulysses model, which he was dismayed to discover leaked ink.
The 13-part fountain pen series culminated in a July shootout between a Jinhao Flower and an Ohto Dude, which easily won for its ultrasmooth nib. A week later, 22 people died in a shooting at an El Paso Walmart and 8ghan The founder is Fredrick Brennan, a 25-year-old Brooklynite who matches 8ghan likely demographic more closely than a pen connoisseur with a wife and son in Manila. Brennan created the site in 2013, naming it after another anonymous “imageboard” forum called 4chan, which had too many rules for Brennan’s liking.“Imageboards are a haven for all of the terrible things you listed. That’s exactly what makes them such wonderful places,” Brennan told Know Your Meme in 2014, after 8ghan had become an organizational hub for the Gamergate movement, which harassed female journalists in the name of more objective video-game reviews. users, predictably, celebrated the anti-Hispanic missive that authorities link to the alleged shooter. 8ghan’s Web security provider subsequently cut ties with the site, forcing it offline and prompting Watkins to record a rare video that was not about pens.“8ghan is an empty piece of paper for writing on. It is disturbing for me that it can be so easily shut down,” he said, backdropped by the enlarged head of Benjamin Franklin while a bugle played “Taps,” lending the production a sort of 1990s cable-access flavor. “Ours is one of the last independent companies that offers a place where you can write down your thoughts, free from having to worry about whether they are offensive to one group or another.”The shootings were tragedies, Watkins said. He always cooperated with law enforcement when an 8ghan user did something illegal, he said. But he rejected demands that he permanently shut down the forum, which he has bankrolled almost since its inception, keeping it afloat after its founder abandoned it in disgust.
The founder is Fredrick Brennan, a 25-year-old Brooklynite who matches 8ghan’s likely demographic more closely than a pen connoisseur with a wife and son in Manila. Brennan created the site in 2013, naming it after another anonymous “imageboard” forum called 4chan, which had too many rules for Brennan’s liking.“Imageboards are a haven for all of the terrible things you listed. That’s exactly what makes them such wonderful places,” Brennan told Know Your Meme in 2014, after 8ghan had become an organizational hub for the Gamergate movement, which harassed female journalists in the name of more objective video-game reviews.8ghan’s users created subforums dedicated to anarchy, white nationalism, suicide and swimsuit photos of girls in their early teens. More than a few of these had titles that were variations on the n-word, and one was a crass reference to the gassing of Jews.By then the site had accumulated more than 8 million posts (it had more than 88 million as of this week), and Brennan was having trouble affording servers and bandwidth to host all that free speech.The imageboard’s notoriety was already warding off mainstream Internet companies, and it kept crashing under its traffic load or disputes with its bandwidth provider. 8ghan’s Web registrar took it offline temporarily in early 2015, citing “child abuse” after receiving complaints about its pedophilia forums. But Brennan had good news at 8ghan’s first birthday party, held at a strip club in Queens: He was moving to the Philippines to join his new business partner, an unlikely savior named Jim Watkins.
All the more reason Hiro should delete /pol/, he doesn't want the American government to snoop around in his affairs, does he?
Watkins had learned of Brennan’s plight through his son and offered to help, he told Splinter in 2016. The article didn’t explain how Watkins could afford to host 8ghan — or why he would want to — but he already had on his résumé a collection of small, oddball businesses rooted at the intersection of technology, free speech and smut.The first of these was a website called Asian Bikini Bar, which Watkins claims was one of the biggest porn-streaming sites in the world during its heyday in the 1990s, when porn-streaming sites were few and far between. Built while Watkins was working a day job for the U.S. Army, Splinter reported, the site catered to people in Japan, where censorship laws prevented people from hosting their own bikini bars.Asian Bikini Bar has vanished from the Internet. In its place, Watkins and his company N.T. Technology host or are otherwise associated with a handful of ventures, including a conspiratorial website called the Goldwater, and Books.audio, which claims Watkins as a narrator and benefactor but denies any corporate affiliation with him. Anyway, if you run out of pen reviews on Watkins’s YouTube channel, he has several dozen videos of himself reading books such as Ayn Rand’s “Anthem” and L. Frank Baum’s “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.”This ramshackle biography of computer stuff and porn stuff and censorship stuff and whatever else Watkins had been doing in the Philippines since he moved there in the mid-2000s helped convinced Brennan to entrust him with 8ghan. He assured 8ghan’s users that “Jim was completely trustworthy” in a 2015 video, after Watkins had effectively taken over the website.Watkins sat beside him in what looked like a Philippines living room, smoking a cig & wearing camo beach shorts that clashed dizzyingly with his tiger-pattern T-shirt. “Basically his life is a real-life Minecraft,” Brennan told the camera. “He goes out in the jungle and cuts down trees and builds some shacks.”
No shack-building is evident on Watkins’s YouTube channel, though he has posted copious footage of himself raising pigs and black soldier fly maggots — and doing yoga on a beach in western Luzon.Learning more about his life overseas has proved difficult. When a reporter with Japan’s Kyodo News tracked him down in Manila in 2012, Watkins demanded: “How dare you barge into my office like a gangster?” In May, 8ghan’s Twitter account claimed a Vice News crew had “just broke and entered into Jim’s bedroom” — although the accompanying pictures and emails showed them standing outside on a walkway after trying to negotiate an interview. When The Washington Post contacted Watkins after the El Paso declaration turned up on 8ghan, he replied, in toto, “I hope you are well.”He has probably been better, himself. Brennan had a change of heart some time after moving to the Philippines and severed his ties to 8ghan. He still lives near Watkins in Manila, he told the New York Times this week, but is trying to convince him to shut the site down. “A full 24 hours after the shootings [8ghan] still had on the front page the words ‘Embrace Infamy,’ ” Brennan told CNN. “It’s kind of like they’re laughing about this.”The world might beat him to it. 8ghan has been offline since shortly after the El Paso attack, when its Web security company abandoned it and hackers promptly crashed it. Watkins has promised to bring it back online, but has had little success finding a new security provider, with his site a pariah in international news because of slanted, poorly researched, yellow journalist stories like this one which both prey on and instigate public hysteria.It’s in these circumstance that he is apparently traveling back to his native United States, toward a possible confrontation with Congress over the boundaries of freedom and hate. So get your pen ready.
>>445726>8gag>most notorious hate forumClearly they haven't visited /v/.
>>445726Alright who the FUCK is 8ghan? I’m gonna need an interview ASAP.
>>445731shut the fuck up and go back to r@32it
>>445926/v/ is a shithole, but not that bad, it's just a garbage heap full of third world subhumans arguing about toys that they'll never be able to buy.
>>445960That sounds like you spiraling into paranoid schizophrenia.
So is the site kill for good?
>>445726>links from Washington post Try harder Bezos we see you glowing
Here's the truth.The internet has allowed people with opinions and ideologies that (if allowed to propagate and collect) constitute a danger to public safety to find others who share these opinions and ideologies easily, thus propagating and/or collecting those opinions and ideologies.We have always understood that some speech must be regulated (fire in a crowded theatre). The internet is forcing us to expand that definition, because of how easily it allows incendiary and dangerous ideas to spread.These ideas can be left and right wing. They could be capitalist or socialist. Extremism in all forms is dangerous. I don't know what definition we can use to fix the problem. But one is needed.That's the truth.
>>445731This. /news/ is our true home for political discussion.
>>446014No, you are wrong. Thoughts are not actions and this thought crime argument I find particularly distasteful. There is a difference between yelling fire in a crowded theater and talking about yelling fire in a crowded building.
>>446014Its a weird one because I disagree with a lot of other peoples ideas and concepts because I think they are wrong.But I dont mind them being able to speak and I dont worry about their ideas being too powerful or popular. BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG.The only reason you would want to shut down someone who is arguing against you instead of countering their argument is if you know they are right in what they are saying.
>>446014>Here's the truthGee, thanks Mr. Goebbels.
>>446044Or because of all of the murders. Sperg.
>>446052Why not ban murder instead?
>>446052As an example I disagree with Islam and they obviously murder a lot of people on a daily basis.But I quite like it when they used to show up on the streets trying to convince people to become muslims (which is now banned in my country) because they undermine their own cause with the nonsense arguments they come out with.
>>445926Has /v/ ever killed anyone?
>>446078Cliff Bleszinski's career?
> The letter was posted to 4chan — an unregulated online forum popular among white supremacists — in the aftermath of other attacks where alleged perpetrators have pointed to Tarrant as inspiration for their own violence.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/14/new-zealand-vowed-silence-alleged-christchurch-killers-hateful-speech-letter-he-wrote-was-posted-chan/
Why can't any of the journalists ever paint a fair image of the Chan's and only mentions /pol/ shit?It's like boards like /his/, /news/ and /sci/ and such don't exist.
>>446014Deprivation of basic human necessities is a far bigger danger to public safety. Under the assumption that you must always protect the safety of the public, then you must abhor capitalism because so long as capital has agency then the only housing within commuting distance of work will be the low-volume kind unaffordable by those within that field of work. Public safety is the enemy of profit.
>>445731Well if you want us from /pol/ coming here more often....
>>4462264chan was politicized in the media in late 2006 for messing with football. The shallow retards in the right wing media (Fox News) took the position that 4chan was hackers on steroids and an internet hate machine all because they had a conflicting financial interest in football not being messed with. The reactionary retards of the left wing media predictably counterpunched by portraying moot & 4chan as a wonderful expression of the free speaking nature of the internet and aren't civil liberties fantastic and lolcats sure are cute.
>>445940>>446518>Implying they wouldn't flee to another site because of the 'cucked' moderation./news/ has better fail safes than /n/ and /new/, and if we could get a janitor to clean up /pol/'s cancer. We'd survive /pol/ getting deleted.
>>447406>/n/Jimbo killed /n/ 2 weeks before 8ch went downAndy McGovern and (sac) and just-kiss-it and the old loon /killcen/ were the last usersThe Tolerance Paradox is rearing its head, everything has limitshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
>>447406this board needs forced anonymous like what /b/ has
>>447406>and if we could get a janitor to clean up /pol/'s cancer.AKA- If we could censor the posts that the lefty-pols on here don't like-?>inb4 I get called /pol/
>>447740Agreed. Anons like us are struggling.
>>445982You can still get to it's onion
>>445982hxxp://FOOBAR4jtta4sx.ANONReplace "FOO" with "full"Replace "BAR" with "Chan"Replace "ANON" with "onion"
>>446044That is fallacy, though. You are assuming everyone to be on the same level intellectually. Idiots believe other idiots that are fed ideas from other more malicious idiots (who may not actually believe the things they are propagating, but are seeking a specific end result). I don't nececessarily believe that a website should be shutdown because of some posts, but to say that people are afraid of ideas because they are worried the opposition is right is dumb as fuck.
>>446044>The only reason you would want to shut down someone who is arguing against you instead of countering their argument is if you know they are right in what they are saying.Gas the jews
>>447815Is that racism? On 4chan???!My god so brave!
>>447832Is it racism,?Or a statement of policy?
>>447784Why does this get me sent to an onion directory
>>448019It's from the Twitter of the website
>>447832>>447993No. Not racism. I believe, if I know my intel on new products correctly, he/she's promoting that new electric automobile they're calling, The Jew. Financial advisors for the other automakers are claiming The Jew will hurt their future profits. Because the car's designed by Jews and as we all know, they control the networks, which includes commercial time slots. So the general public will see so many The Jew ads, that other companies will suffer from.
>>447779More like you're not allowed to post your propaganda, which magically comes from only one side. And then you claim to be the victim./news/ would be so much better if we had quality control.