Median income = $50,000 per yearAOC’s income = $174,000 per year>Democratic leaders were forced to remove the pay hike from a big spending bill Congress is set to vote on this week after a host of swing-district Democrats revolted against the measure.>"Nobody wants to vote to give themselves a raise. There's nothing good about that," Rep. Katie Hill, a California Democrat who beat an incumbent Republican in 2018, said during a Monday caucus meeting.>A Democratic strategist told Politico the plan is "political suicide" for vulnerable House Democrats.>Ocasio-Cortez and some other progressives are pushing for both the minimum wage and congressional salaries to be pegged to inflation, so that they both keep up with the cost of living.>The majority of Americans — 55% — want congressional salaries to be cut, 17% think Congress earns the right amount, and 9% want to increase lawmakers' pay, according to a March INSIDER poll.>Ocasio-Cortez first brought attention to Capitol Hill salaries after the 2018 midterm elections by relating her own financial struggles during the transition period between the election and her swearing-in.>The freshman lawmaker again drew attention to the pay on Capitol Hill by announcing earlier this year that staffers in her office would make at least $52,000, well above average.https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-pushing-for-controversial-congressional-raise-2019-6
>Advocates for greater income equality>Wants to make her own income less equal to her constituentsGood one, AOC!
Big oof. Congressional pay should be tied to national median income.
>>410705The idea is that this would be tied to an extended or lifetime ban on congresspeople becoming lobbyists once they're out. It's a fair trade-off and even ted fucking cruz agrees. Way to totally misrepresent this.
>>410722Don't expect any thread about AOC to be properly represented.
>>410727Indeed, they don't care if the story is true. The cumulative effect of so many bad headlines over the course of a year is the point. Anyone who just casually browses headlines is now naturally going to have a bad opinion of her..
>>410705I think their salaries should be increased, they should be given it until they die, BUT they should also be disallowed from ever earning any money any other way.
>>410705>"Voting against cost of living increases for members of Congress may sound nice, but doing so only increases pressure on them to keep dark money loopholes open," she wrote. "This makes campaign finance reform *harder.*"What is reading comprehension. Making 4channel not 18+ was a mistake.This is literally an attempt to compromise with conservative congresspeople so that they will agree to close tax loopholes that let millionaires stash money and never pay taxes. Raising their salary, which IS taxed, is an olive branch to the corrupt. There can't be SO many teens on this board that no one else understands this, right?
>>410740Better yet, after their term is up they should be publicly BEHEADED in the style of prehistoric cultures where tradition dictated that the autocrat be ceremonially killed by his subjects to prevent the rise of tyranny.This way, only the truly selfless would run for office.
>>410744AOC wins again.
>>410721>Congressional pay should be tied to national median income.Congressional pay should be tied to the budget deficit. I.e. when there is one, they don't get paid.
>>410748>someone doesn't understand how politicians make money
This pay raise was agreed on by both parties, who agreed not to use it for partisan purposes, but what actually happened is that Republicans suckered Democrats into supporting it so they could get a PR coup out of it.https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/07/a-bipartisan-congressional-pay-raise-was-in-the-works-then-a-republican-group-blasted-democrats/Around Republicans, never relax.
>>410744So she is saying that if we don't give her more money that she'll be forced to turn to corruption to get enough to satisfy her daily needs? $500 a day isn't enough money for her and so she's threatening us that she'll sell out to big oil or someone if we don't give her more? why can't she tend bar on the side or dance if shes short of money?
>>410754>low quality baitCome now anon, you really expect him to reply to that?
>>410752>Be literal villains>Perform a political coup by suppressing the voting power of your opponents in states where you already have a small advantage>Now with uncontestable state level power, secure major federal level positions, like Senator Majority Leader>Use this locked in power to further suppress the voting power of your opponents>Now that your "elected" position is guaranteed, demand that altruistic for-the-people politicians make minor concessions in an "effort to compromise".>Those politicians will be able to get nothing done unless the acquiesce to policies you wrote>As soon as they do, blast them via corrupt media with: "Look at this EVIL SHIT (that we wrote lol) that these libtards are trying to pass!"America hasn't been a democracy since the early 90s. The Republican traitors really do need to just be subject to the guillotine.
>>410744If someone is corrupt, wouldn't they vote to increase their own wage while still keeping those loopholes open?
>>410761Not if both changes are included in the same bill.... you... you do know how laws work in america, right?
>all this commie damage controlThis is literally the stonetoss comic where the commie tells the working class man he’s for the working class but refuses to shake the working class mans hand
if members of congress are supposed to be average citizens, AKA representing average citizens, then they should get no more than the average income. if they get paid huge money then they'll represent their peers with huge money. if a few members of congress have to sleep on park benches with the homeless because they don't got congress enough money that wouldn't be a bad thing, homeless folks deserve representation too.
>>410762Where does it say that this will be the case?
>>410752>Republicans suckered Democrats into supporting it so they could get a PR coup out of it.lol you fucking retardyour delusional if you think it went down like thiscongress has been voting themselves raises for nearly every congress that has met over the last 100 years>>410744>This is literally an attempt to compromise with conservative congresspeople so that they will agree to close tax loopholes that let millionaires stash money and never pay taxes. Raising their salary, which IS taxed, is an olive branch to the corrupt.this is just stupid rationalization.if its some grand repbulican conspiracy, then democrats have the house, they can close these so-call loopholes if they wantI dont see how you people are so delusional.members of congress are just like normal people -- they always want pay raises, and some of them abuse their positions.if it were so red/blue in its split then getting these things patched up would be no problem right now.but its not
>>410768>if its some grand repbulican conspiracy, then democrats have the house, they can close these so-call loopholes if they wantHOW are you people commenting on American politics if you are literally lacking 5th grade education about how bills become laws?Anything the house does is, if it passes the vote, sent to the Senate where Führer McConnell kills literally anything that isn't partisan-republican because HE gets to decide what comes up for a vote. Meaning there MUST be some kowtowing to our corrupt republican usurpers if ANYTHING is ever going to be passed.McConnell has single handled ensured the corruption of the entire legislative process, and it's up to honest (almost unanimously liberal) politicians to keep fighting the good fight for the American people.
>>410771>but it won't pass the SenateAll the better. They have free reign to pass "symbolic" bills without fest that they will actually become law. So why aren't they?
>>410768>congress has been voting themselves raises for nearly every congress that has met over the last 100 yearscongressional pay hasn't gone up since 2009, so that's five congresses in a row where it hasn't happened
>>410773>So why aren't they?Are you really that retarded? The country is in crisis. What the fuck is the point of passing bills that will never clear the Senate? This isn't about virtue signalling you mongoloid, it's about fixing real problems. Get your shit together, and when you're old enough to vote, I hope that you decide to fight for the well being of our country instead of taking it up the ass from billionaires like the vast majority of the White South.
>>410781>What the fuck is the point of passing bills that will never clear the Senate?To demonstrate the bill to the American people and demonstrate the obstructionist nature of the Republican Senate.
>>410778the already get a ridiculous massive amount of money and benefits, thats why they don't represent normal average citizens. if they got $17/hr then they'd be looking out for the best interests of people who make $17/hr
>>410784if they got $17 an hour nobody even remotely competent and non-corrupt would ever go into government.
>>410782At this point dude, you really just need to go read anything about contemporary politics in America. 4chan is not the right place to get your education if you're THIS far behind the curve.For one final bit of food for thought:>demonstrate the obstructionist nature of the Republican Senate.To what end? Their nature has already been demonstrated. McConnell laughs and calls himself the Grim Reaper of the Senate because he doesn't even try to hide the fact that he kills any bill that has the smell of democratic influence. He was even in the news lately for being asked "If a supreme court justice passed, would you vote to replace them during the election season next year?" to which he laughed and responded "of course!", which obviously contradicts his stance of the exact same thing happening during the end of Obama's administration where he refused to bring the nominee up for a vote.The republican Senate obviously, and unabashedly ignores the law. It's in the news all the time (international news, not even biased American news). So if it's already this obvious, what would you expect to come from demonstrating their nature? Voter suppression has become so systemic they literally can't be voted out of office. They performed a coup in the late 90s and you all missed it (or weren't born yet, in what seems like your case). I mean you're aware that international organizations that evaluate 3rd world countries in terms of how democratic their fledgling governments are have released the results of studies they've conducted that identify nearly every Southern state as "Not a Democracy" because the will of the people is ignored in lieu of the will of those already in power?We, the American people, are already fighting a battle where we are at a dramatic disadvantage and we need to start enacting changes now or coming back will be that much harder.
>>410788>To what end? Their nature has already been demonstrated. The job of the House to pass bills and present them to the American people does not disappear even if the Senate wants to go into recess for a whole year. The Senate can and does fold at times: for example, during the most recent shutdown.>I mean you're aware that international organizations that evaluate 3rd world countries in terms of how democratic their fledgling governments are have released the results of studies they've conducted that identify nearly every Southern state as "Not a Democracy" because the will of the people is ignored in lieu of the will of those already in power?Source?>we need to start enacting changes now or coming back will be that much harder.Who's this "we" who needs to start "enacting" changes, and by what legal process?
>>410773As an independent who voted for both Ds & Rs, I have to say I'm getting a kick out of your replies. Imagine being an Alex supporter and trying to defend this shit. You'd have no choice but to reframe valid points as bait and commit yourself to outright slander. You are me last week when I was asking for any evidence that Boinee Sanduhs had accomplished anything at all in his 30 yr career other 5 books and making himself rich. Can't wait to get home so I can sink my teeth into this story.
>>410781So it is better for them to bitch and moan about how the Senate won't let them do anything than it would be for them to bombard the Senate with bill after bill that will address/resolve the problems plaguing the nation?
>>410796>So it is better for them to bitch and moan-10IQ post.This thread is about no one bitching and moaning, it's about liberal politicians being forced to make concessions so that they can take small steps forward because of a Republican Usurper Class that has illegally seized control of the government (quite literally. Current politicians that are still in office today were instated because of elections that were subject to voter restriction laws that ignore preclearance requirements and thus should never have been implemented. They literally stole elections at the State level).
>>410793>The job of the House to pass billsWhich they're doing, but they're passing bills that might actually have a chance to pass. Where does it say they're not proposing and writing bills to be voted on and passed? They're just making ones with concessions because there is no other option if you're looking to get literally anything at all done. We can't just wait for someone to grow the balls to guillotine McConnell.>Source?The IDEA (International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance). While America on the whole still ranks mid-high, that is because of the honesty of the electoral process in many of the urban centers, as well as the North East and West Coast states. When evaluated on an individual level of state governments, The South ranks below many Middle East countries in terms of corruption / respecting the will of the people.>We, the American people>Who's this "we"You're clearly disabled, dude, and I'm sorry to hear that. But this'll be the last post. You really just need to go grab any book on voting rights / voter suppression in the US, literally any book, and just try to educate yourself. I'm not your home room teacher.
>>410799>Which they're doing, but they're passing bills that might actually have a chance to pass.They can pass any number of bills. They can pass bills that represent what they actually want and then later them feed through the compromise promise. They can have Senate Democrats draft a "Republican-friendly bill", the House draft their desired bill, and iron out the differences in committee. The notion that the House is simply too ~busy~ to pass bills that represent Democratic policy is idiotic. Countless hours are wasted on pointless theatrical shit in Congress every day.>The IDEA (International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance).That's a certainly nice organization, but you haven't linked to any source rating individual US states "Not a Democracy," and most combinations of "The IDEA (International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance)" + US state names don't yield the result, leaving the possibility up in the air that you simply made that shit up.>You're clearly disabled, dude, and I'm sorry to hear that. But this'll be the last post.Thank fucking goodness we won't have to listen to your contentless posturing anymore.
>>410797I was describing your belief that it is better for the house to make no effort to pass reforms simply because the Senate won't go along with them.>no one is bitchingYou have done nothing but
>>410801>the house to make no effort to pass reformsThe house is literally trying to pass reforms. Did you not read the OP at all? They're trying to pass reforms in which they compromise with villainous billionaires, and said billionaires are saying: "Hey american people, look how focused on helping billionaires these Democrats are!". How are you falling for this? >You have done nothing butI meant the none of the politicians in question are bitching. I myself certainly take issue with my country being taken over by self appointed aristocrats who are vocal about their lack of concern with the well being of the american people.Also to think that wanting a functioning country == bitching is the either the sign of the severely mentally impaired, or literal 12 year olds. I can only assume you fall into one of those categories.It's simply hard to believe people that know this little about the world come in to a forum about current news and start running their mouth.
>>410804>It's simply hard to believe people that know this little about the world come in to a forum about current news and start running their mouth.You're a more perfect illustration of this than anyone else in this thread.
>>410750>>someone doesn't understand how politicians make moneyExplain it to me?
>>410718Please point out the part where AOC supported the pay raise?Do /pol/shits ever use remotely honest subject lines, or is the idea to just lie as much as possible?
>>410786right, those people only run for congress because the salary is good. trump needed the $400k income, thats why he ran for president.
>>410748If they didn't make all their cash through lobbyists, this would only guarantee that only the extremely independently wealthy would be congressmen. This is already true 99% of the time already (certainly the entire Senate, and nearly all of the House), and among the reasons why Congress seems so disconnected from the average American. They can agree with the Fed that inflation is as it should be and the like, as they don't do their own shopping.Being angry with Congress is all well and good, but if you want to ensure your leaders are folks who can relate to and rely upon to carry out your will, punishing them isn't gonna do it. You need to change the system itself to encourage those that care more about the nation than their party to become leaders, and to mitigate the fact that those who seek power, tend to be the last folks you want to actually have it.Salary isn't going to change this much either way, but eliminating it, would just make things worse.What I want is some sorta education requirement for federal legislature and executives, based on office. Congressmen should have to have studied ethics and history, executives should have an thorough study of whatever department they are heading up to boot, and all in high authority should have to pass an in depth psychological battery centered around partiality, leaving every aspect of their lives completely open to the public they rule. Then the voters can select from a pool of QUALIFIED individuals, rather than just whoever happens to be seeking power. (Granted, this would more or less require free higher education to avoid the already ranted on effect where only the upper class occupy high office.)
>>410705Good lord can you imagine how in over her head she must be? I mean good for her, she's there doin it but goddamn, has anyone ever been so out of their league, it's like sending one of the local teeball kids to join the Yankees
>>410705I love how this article spins this thing..."Democratic leaders were forced to remove the pay hike", rather than they decided to because it's antithetical to their rhetorical ethos."Democratic and Republican leadership think members of Congress should get a raise." - point to me where they ever say this. Article itself says they've not had a raise in nearly a decade (not that they deserve one, but come on, this is just painting here.)The bill she's proposing is intended to tie minimum wage and government wages to inflation, which would have a much stronger impact on the whole of the nation, than those few hundred folks in congress getting a slight raise - not that you couldn't adjust it so they didn't, which is apparently exactly what they propose."Greedy congress votes not to give itself a pay raise.", is pretty much what the article is saying, and trying to paint itself as something darker for more rage clicks.
>>410760>make laws to prevent illegal residents unduly affecting the outcomes of our legislature>be accused of "suppressing their opponents vote"if their opponents are people who can't legally vote, then I suppose you're accurate, but isn't that something we should all want?
>>410760>america isn't a democracy>anymore"...and to the republic, for which it stands...."
>>410781>What the fuck is the point of passing bills that will never clear the Senate?remember how republicans passed multiple obama-care repeals, knowing very well that had no chance of making it through the whole process? Trick question, you were far too young. Trump gets elected and suddenly all their dicks are limp, nothing happens. Symbolic bills grant you valuable PR victories
>>410705Why do people abbreviate her name rather than calling her Cortez?
>>410746Holy shit this. Honestly though, I think the whole thing should be tied to a deep audit of that person's career. You serve your term, then the fed does a deep dive on that person's career, and the material is made public for citizens that want to peruse for themselves. Then the courts decide if you've actually served the people with your career, or only yourself.Can we find a Tarpein Rock to hurl people from in the states? Maybe the Grand Canyon will do.
>>411034If that was happening, do you really think Trump would be in office with a Republican majority in the Senate to boot?Voter fraud is rare as fuck and accidental more than half of the time (mostly army folks registered to VTM and voting again when they return home). Electoral fraud, on the other hand, is pretty much the mainstream. Stalin had a saying about that...
>>410760Both parties do this sorta thing, it's just the Republicans are generally at an advantage when less people come out to vote, as their base is smaller, but better galvanized and thus more apt to vote. So the Democrats in turn try to make sure anyone and everyone can vote - and while the illegals voting is a myth, they do need the destitute, addled, and incompetent to come out.Democrat or Republican, their party's power is always more important than the wellbeing of the nation. The upside, I suppose, is even their darkest tendencies tend to be ineffectual as a result, more aimed at emotional impact than actual results.
>>411061>as their base is smaller, but better galvanized and thus more apt to vote.Not that guy, but this is funny. Anon further up in the thread explaining how voter suppression works is spot on. Republicans aren't more apt to vote than Democrats are, it's just that Democrats want everyone to vote, and Republican controlled states enact laws that prevent anyone but wealthy white men from voting.
>>411051Calling her “Cortez” would be like calling Trump “Ump.” Ocasio-Cortez is her entire last name.
>>411061>illegal voting is a mythoverplayed at best
>>411087no it isn't, stop being asinine. Most people with long hyphenated names don't like saying the whole thing either, it gets old fast
>>411089"millions" vs. 19 over near a decade, is a bit more than "overplayed". Legal citizens get caught doing illegal voting all the time (though even there, it's only in the hundreds, and as I said, mostly accidental). So ya can bet your ass if illegals were doing it regularly, they'd get caught regularly, but they make up less than 1% of those caught.Plus, it's a stupid thing to do - I mean, if you're in a country illegally, and you happen to have a fake social security number to allow you to register to vote, are you really going to risk going on the record with it and getting jailed for identity theft or put in a concentration camp on the border, just to add one more vote to the millions?It's also much more effective just to gerrymander the shit out everything, and that, for some damned reason, is pretty much legal.
>>411101>for some damned reason, is pretty much legal.Gerrymandering is one of the most obvious crimes committed by public officials. Southern states especially shirked legal preclearance requirements in order to redistrict a vast number of states with literally -zero- justification other than >But this is """"nicer"""" :^)(Linked a URL to North Carolina in my previous post but deleted it because I'm not sure if URL links violate the "no images" spirit of this board? Anyone know?)
>>410705Imagine being so triggered by a CONGRESSMAN you constantly post about her on POL and news thinking anyone actually cares about her. Nobody gives a fuck. She's never going to be a Senator let alone hold high office. Pretty hilarious obsession proving that incels are obsessed with oppressing women and especially nignog women.
>>410782They've been doing this for literally 20 years, and nobody has given a shit
>>410705File name for the pic should be "why the US is going down the drain"People in power should be good family men, not these dumb harpies who are trying to destroy the country.
>>410990Did you bother to read the article?>In a tweet on March 13, Ocasio-Cortez went even further, arguing for an increase in lawmaker pay. Ocasio-Cortez said that "raising staffer pay helps get money out of politics" and that increasing the salaries for members of Congress could do the same.
>>411051Shorter, snappier, and draws parallels to RBG who for some reason a large number of people have a boner for.
>>411135>Only has 1 or 2 threads in the catalog>lol you faggots are obsessed
>>411225go ahead and search /pol/. AOC is the least important congressperson. Shes basically the liberal Candice Owens - attention whoring with their vaginas and skin color and its working. Although AOC actually makes sense and isn't verifiably retarded. (Joe Rogan Experience - Candace Owens for reference).
>>411230We aren't on /pol/ though. Why do their opinions matter here?
these c***s could find ways to lower expenses for the common man, but it's always raise first ask questions later. This bitch makes 150k and her last job was at Friday's or some shit
>>411230>go ahead and search /pol/, a sub forum where people are known to speak the truthfully and never talk in half truths or misrepresent data!
>>411233>We aren't on /pol/ though. Why do their opinions matter here?because libs are hypersensitive bitches and when youre a hypersensitive bitch, getting btfo sticks with you for life
>>411343Who cares. Incentivizing public office for people who could be making money elsewhere is fair game. We live in a mixed economy and progressives aren’t trying to eliminate meritocracy you dumb cunt.
>>410744Do you think the right wing propagandists care about the facts? This is just about smearing AOC because they fear her.
>>410718>advocate for people getting paid more>want to get paid more"Income equality" is a false dichotomy. Her issue is that people are paid like shit. She don't the upper class to gain, less, she want the lower class to gain.>>411211>Ocasio-Cortez said that "raising staffer pay helps get money out of politics" and that increasing the salaries for members of Congress could do the same.She is right, you know. A better paid representative diminish the risk of corruption.Also, this>>410722>>410722>>410722>>410722>>410722>>410722
>>412285>She is rightShe is wrong.
>>412285>She is rightHow so?
>>412328>raising staffer pay helps get money out of politics" and that increasing the salaries for members of Congress could do the same.
>>412329>raising staffer pay helps get money out of politics" and that increasing the salaries for members of Congress could do the same.This is a baseless assertion, not a fact.
>>412315>>412325>>412328>>412329>>412334no one fucking cares! jews mad that some latino outfucked them in stealing tax money.
>>412335But even you care! As proven by your angry shitpost you dishonest fuckface.>jews mad that some latino outfucked them in stealing tax moneLOLYou're one of THOSE people. Pathetic. Learn to argue.
>>410746>This way, only the truly selfless would run for office.or the narcissistic but depressed
>>410760>America hasn't been a democracy since the early 90sReagan was elected in 81 dude.