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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans today are more closely divided than they were earlier in the last century when asked whether some form of socialism would be a good or bad thing for the country. While 51% of U.S. adults say socialism would be a bad thing for the country, 43% believe it would be a good thing. Those results contrast with a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey that found 40% describing socialism as a bad thing, 25% a good thing and 34% not having an opinion.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four-americans-embrace-form-socialism.aspx
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>>400532
Drive on a road lately? Attend a public high school? Turn on your computer with state utilities? Ever need the police, the fire department or unemployment?

Some level of socialism smooths out the cracks in a system to keep the order. Sorry, libertarians, but a pure economic system - capitalism or communism - inevitably results in corruption and chaos.
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>>400534
See for example Monaco. It's hell on earth.
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>>400532
I'm surprised they even got that many yes responses to the question, as it seems leading to me. like what qualifies as socialism, any public programs? many european countries have free healthcare and education and theyre not socialist countries. and at the most basic level is this >>400534 where youd be an idiot not to support these basic services
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>>400534
Libertarians are some of the dumbest idealogues on the planet.

The ironic part is that our economic system at the very top is approaching libertarianism because of conservative corporate politics.
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>>400534
You think having police is Socialism? How fucking retarded are you.
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>>400543
We got a live one here boys. I'll let the original poster completely shit on you though.

Goddamn you are dumb. *popcorn*
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>>400543
what, to you, constitutes "some form of socialism"?
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>>400532
Can't we just all agree that strictly adhering to any pure economic system is a poor idea? A mix of all systems, taking the best each has to offer, is likely the best way to ensure prosperity
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>>400537
>See for example Monaco. It's hell on earth.
See for example Venezuela. It's hell on Earth.
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>>400543
Shh. Let them be angry
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>>400573
>A mix of all systems
I'm genuinely curious how you think this can even happen.
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every country in the world is a mixed economy with capitalist and socialist aspects
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>>400576
>plenty of countries have free healthcare and free education
>theyre doing well and arent really "socialist" countries
>but to have these in America makes America purely socialist and therefore venezuela
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>>400581
Free enterprise, private property, government funded public works, etc. It is basically how most stable countries already run because that is what tends to work best
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>>400593
So, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Because you just described capitalism wherein government is essentially just another cooperation.
That's not "a mix of all systems." A mix is answering the question: How can you have a market economy and price controls at the same time?
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>>400595
So public schools are capitalist now?

>how can you have price controls and a market economy
Only put price controls on certain goods/services? Just because you control the price of education/health care doesn't mean you have to also fix the price of yachts and haircuts
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>>400599
>Only put price controls on certain goods/services?
Why would you do that?
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>>400602
because why should we allow Shkreliesque practices in matters of life and death?
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>>400604
>because why should we allow Shkreliesque practices in matters of life and death?
Do you know how he can do that? The regulatory junction if patents and FDA, i.e. the very controls for which you are advocating. A free market would have a half dozen products on the market competing with one another.
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>>400605
i dont necessarily support IP laws. i think they should be reworked. but i also dont think they shoiuld be totally abolished because corporations would have a hard time justifying r&d costs if generic brands would rpevent them from recouping costs.
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>>400605
Your post favors more conistent regulation across the board, not no restriction. We live in a country where hundreds of thousands or even millions of parents still force feed their infants a bleach formula marketed to them as a miracle solution.
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>>400605
Pyrimethamine, the key ingredient of Daraprim, was off patent when Shkreli bought the rights to Daraprim and raised the price. There is at least one company working on a generic form and once it passes the sufficient quality controls it will completely undercut Daraprim. So yes, the process is working exactly as you wanted and the only thing slowing it is the necessary quality controls needed for healthcare to ensure you aren't going to accidentally kill all the people who use your drug.
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>>400605
i can't wait until I get those cheap drugs and die because they weren't properly tested
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>>400611
>i can't wait until I get those cheap drugs and die because they weren't properly tested

Shut up, fucking shill.
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>>400595
Holy shit, we have a market economy and price controls at the same time RIGHT NOW, here, in America, in 2019. The US Government currently subsidizes more than a hundred different products and industries, from corn and soybeans to automotive parts and shipyards, fixing prices so that unprofitable industries that the government has need of can continue to flourish and do business when the bottom has dropped out of their markets. A grain farmer in Kansas simply can't compete with the price you'll get from a grain farmer in Bengal, where the daily bread costs a fraction of a fraction of a cent in USD. The government has to subsidize our farmers or our domestic production would be priced out of the market by the third world.
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>>400674
>subsidies
Sounds fucked up. Let's stop that and have tariffs.
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Does that include national socialism?
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>>400672
it's reality anon, there are plenty of companies who do shoddy work on their products so they can produce more faster and undercut competitors.
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>>400534
>hurr durr public works and services is socialism

you must be american.
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>>400698
We can dream, anon.
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>>400741
the poll is of americans, so the discussion should be held in that frame. it doesnt specify what it deems to be "some form of socialism," so why should we assume that a social service doesnt count?
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>>400675
And raise taxes on the rich and tax the fuck out companies that ship jobs overseas.
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>>400741
> Smells like you haven't taken a bath in weeks
You must be a Eurofag
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>>400774
>you can smell someone by the internet
lol retard
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>>400769
>And raise taxes on the rich and tax the fuck out companies that ship jobs overseas.
On overseas holdings? Sure. Because you don't like them? No.
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>>400819
How about yes. If they want to flee and cut themselves out of the US market, tough shit.
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>>400823
>How about yes.
No. Class envy and hatred is no way to make policy.
You want to discourage expatriation of assets? Fine and good. (Is not great for the long term, but exercising this ability a defining aspect of a soverign state.)
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>>400835
So one class can hate another and that's okay, but turn the table and suddenly it's bad policy.
I'll care about hating them bring a bad reason once they stop hating us.
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>>400855
>they hating us
You think the rich hate you? I'm sorry, but they simply don't care about you. Or consider you at all. I don't know if that's better or worse.
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>>400857
Sure, they just ignore unions, public services, local governments, etc. Totally, man.
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>>400932
>Sure, they just ignore unions, public services, local governments, etc. Totally, man.
You think that they don't? The hire illegals or specialists from out-of-state or even overseas; they employ private security services, often have their own off-grid utilities, and send their children to private school; and they throw lawyers at everything from parking tickets to zoning variances. Why do you believe otherwise?
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>>401050
That was my point, I was being sarcastic.
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>>401099
>That was my point, I was being sarcastic.
Well then. I am in violent agreement! You are sensible! Grrr!
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>>400835
>Class envy and hatred is no way to make policy.
Then explain the republican party, they hate the poor and middle class and their policies only benefit the rich.
Not only do their tax cuts only help the rich, the tariffs are massive tax hikes on the poor.

People who cry class warfare are those who know they'll lose if it actually happened.
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>>401124
based.

I just realized Trumps economic war on China is a war he's sending the middle and lower class to fight while the rich get massive welfare tax decreases.

Hes truly the worst piece of shit in the history of the US. No wonder Republicans love him.
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>>401124
>>401125
So tiring.
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>>401129
take a nap you methed out orange faggot. get a job. focus on anything but this. you are literally a lifer troll with no job trying to tell people with jobs how to act.
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>>401139
I have a middle class job and literally am not feeling a thing from tariffs and I am glad Trump is doing them
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>>401158
This is a classic non-argument. When Obama enacted the ACA (that was butchered by Republicans to cost the taxpayer more money), nobody felt instantaneous effects.

The prices of goods are going up and the latency from aluminum manufacturer to dinner plate is protracted. You *will 100 percent see food prices rise* as a result of this.

When the additional tariff costs consumers paid in the latter part of last year are annualized, the cost per household is about $419, said David Weinstein, a professor of economics at Columbia University who coauthored a working paper released by London’s Centre for Economic Policy Research on the effect of the Trump administration’s 2018 trade policy on U.S. prices.

The tariffs to date also have hit the home-building industry, and already have added $1 billion to the costs of U.S. housing construction, according to the National Assn. of Home Builders.

Since the start of this year, retail prices for luggage have climbed 5% to 10%, he said. And they are likely to jump an additional 10% to 15% if the new 25% tariff on Chinese imports remains in place, he said. The same is true with backpacks, which already have risen about 5% at the retail level this year and could climb an additional 10% to 15%, Herman said.

The median price for a washing machine before the tariff announcement was $749, according to a paper released in April and coauthored by researchers from the Federal Research Board, University of Chicago and the National Bureau of Economic Research. The tariffs added $86 to that, the paper said.

But keep going with HURR DURR "I'M MIDDLE CLASS I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT"

fucking imbecile.
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>>401163
Nice meltdown.
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>>401163
Wasn't the ACA not supposed to be a tax until the supreme court legislated from the bench to turn it into one? I seem to recall it passing on the premise it wasn't a tax and then magically became one sometime after
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>>400595
>How can you have a market economy and price controls at the same time?

We have that now in the US
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>>400675
we just had to increase subsidies to farmers because we increased tariffs
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4/10 Amerimutts are mentally retarded.



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