An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion — they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child.The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.In an email to CBS News, the Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost defended the statute. "Sometimes, the evolution of the law requires bold steps," Yost wrote. "In the last 46 years, the practice of medicine has changed. Science has changed. Even the point of viability has changed. Only the law has lagged behind."When signing the bill, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine focused on the rights of the fetus. "The essential function of government is to protect the most vulnerable among us, those who don't have a voice," he said. "Government's role should be to protect life from the beginning to the end."Though the 11-year-old in this case won't be subject to the state's pending law, thousands of other women in the future would be. More than 4,000 women were raped in Ohio in 2017, according to data compiled by the FBI. Of those, more than 800 victims were assaulted by a family member. In the future, if women became pregnant as a result of such crimes, Ohio's so-called "fetal heartbeat bill" would prohibit them from receiving an abortion any time after about six weeks, which is before most women even know they're pregnant.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-abortion-heartbeat-bill-pregnant-11-year-old-rape-victim-barred-abortion-after-new-ohio-abortion-bill-2019-05-13/
An incident report filed April 29 by the local police department reflects an interview with an employee of a "pregnancy care center," who appeared to place some of the responsibility on the 11-year old rape victim. She is "rebellious," the employee said, according to the police report, and "refuses to listen to her mother and runs away from home all the time." A separate incident report does not adequately redact the victim's name nor her home address, even though the victim is a minor.CBS News' attempts to reach the family of the 11-year-old victim were unsuccessful. CBS News was not able to confirm the status of her pregnancy or what options the family would pursue.The report noted that the rape was "non-forcible." Police officers found the victim at the home of her alleged rapist, Juan Leon-Gomez, after her family reported she had "left the residence without her mother's permission." That night, Leon-Gomez was arrested.After the arrest, the police report says the 11-year-old rape victim was counseled on "her delinquent behavior."Last week, Leon-Gomez was indicted for felony rape and obstruction of official business by the Stark County Court and held on a $1 million bond, according to court documents. He's scheduled to be arraigned May 20.Ohio's six-week ban isn't slated to go into effect until July, but abortion rights advocates from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Center for Reproductive Rights have vowed to challenge it in court before then.Even though Ohio joins five other states that have passed their own six-week bans, none have been implemented. They either haven't taken effect yet, as in Georgia and Ohio's case, or they were blocked by a federal judge, like in Mississippi, Kentucky, Iowa and North Dakota.
Even with the law not yet implemented, the 11-year-old would face many obstacles if she did want to terminate her pregnancy, said Elizabeth Nash, a senior state issues manager at the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive rights research organization. Prior to Ohio's six-week ban, the state's laws were already some of the most restrictive toward abortion access, according to data from Guttmacher. Abortions after 20 weeks into a pregnancy are prohibited in the state, and minors, like the 11-year-old rape victim, must obtain parental consent, or argue their case to a judge."There's so much that already has to fall in place already for a girl like her to have an abortion in Ohio, never mind a six-week ban," Nash said.Rape and incest exceptions took center stage last week in Alabama, where chaos erupted during a legislative session when state Republicans quickly removed an exception for rape and incest victims in a near-total abortion ban bill. On Tuesday, lawmakers plan to debate and vote on the bill. If it passes, which it's expected to, it will be the most restrictive anti-abortion law approved since the 1973 ruling Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court case that protects a woman's right to an abortion.
So don't live there.
>The report noted that the rape was "non-forcible." Police officers found the victim at the home of her alleged rapist, Juan Leon-GomezSo what's the problem? I thought white progressives were all about the brown skin life? Celebrate diversity.
>>397956most eleven-year olds don't have an exceeding amount of choice in what states they live in
>>397949Male rape victims are already punished and feminists called us miosygnists for wanting to fix it. Shouldn't feminists be celebrating? This is the equality they asked for. Unless feminists are liars and don't actually want equality after all.
>>398124Men can't become pregnant, men don't have to carry a baby inside of them for nine months and then push it out of their vagina. There's no way the comparison can ever be equal in that case, because a boy will never have to give birth to a child.
>>397957Children can't consent to sex, and it's physically very dangerous for an eleven year-old to give birth. A child sure as hell isn't capable of raising a baby.
>>397956Life isn't "that easy" for most people.>>397957>So what' the problemI get you but that's such a simple and shallow approach to the problem. It's unnatural for an 11 year old to give birth - it would kill most if not all of them if not for C-sections. C-sections do NOT make it right.>>398124This is an issue about an 11 year old with shitty parents being forced to live an even worse life.Got nothin' to do with men.>>398171Most "adults" aren't capable of raising a decent human being either.
>>398188C-sections aren't that safe either
So... Alabama is pro-incest AND pro-rape
You have to think the 11 year old has the option to offer up the anus for the rape. At a certain point the victem is to blame for conception.
>>398188>It's unnatural for an 11 year old to give birthbefore moralfaggotry took over our species a few centuries ago, girls started giving birth after menarche, and died from it if their body wasn't ready or simply misshapenused to be that was part of our natural selection
>>398205You are no longer allowed to insult Islam. You are no longer allowed to insult Muslims. You are no longer allowed to complain about Sharia law. You are Sharia law. You're the natural result of slippery-slope fundamentalism. I was wondering how long it would take before you disgusting pieces of shit would start to advocate for pedophilia.
We already punish men for being born male in this country by mutilating their genitals at birth.
>>398193Did you see last nominee for Senate the Republicans put forward or Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women? The pro-rape platform's been pretty well established for the Republicans.
>>398248this. Imagine how fucked up people are that they advocate for the "right" to terminate pregnancies rather than the right to not be mutilated at birth.
>>397949The liberal media loves to do this, cherrypick the worst and rarest instances to highlight in order to get what they want.But when an illegal commits a crime, they go out of their way to ignore it.
An 11 year old isn't legally old enough to consent, ergo she can not deny consent for sex, ergo she can not be rapedCheckmate liberals, conservatives and 11 year olds
>>397956Are you really this fucking stupid
I was banned from twitter and got a 30 day timeout from fb for pointing out that the governor of Alabama is a woman. That shows you who is really behind these laws, and it isn't conservative Christians. Pretty obvious if you think about it for more than two soundbites.Most abortions are poor blacks, especially in the South but also in major cities. Why would whites want more poor blacks in this country? They wouldn't, but the Zuckerbergs of the world would love it. ALEC wrote this legislation and sent it off to every state with a Republican governor to try to break down Roe v Wade, as these will surely be tested by the USSC. This is to encourage more black women to have babies while dad is gone or in prison. This benefits Israel greatly at the expense of everyone else.
>>397949>It's ok when states take presidential candidates off the ballot because of much states rights>It's not ok when stats take away abortion because of muh opinionsThis thread thoInb4 their different because drumpf
>>398171>>398188If the child poses enough threat to a mother's well-being or mental state isn't that enough for an abortion in Alabama ? I think that's covered
>>398275>The argument is about states rightsOkay Ezekiel I don't know why you keep trying to change the subject
>>398274Everyone will ignore this post and go back to arguing identity politics.
>>398352Firstly some posts are so stupid and ranged you don't need to address them secondly everything is literally identity politics
>>398369Fuck off Ezekiel
99 years the doctor who helps the girl get an abortion after being raped is going to be sentenced to more time in prison than the pedophile that rapes and impregnates the girl
>>398373How mad are you that no amount of dilation will make you a real woman?
>>398205Menarche also happened much later hundreds of years ago, in the mid-teens. Girls having their first periods around 10 and 11 is a relatively new thing
>>398311A young child could theoretically give birth safely with large amounts of care (and likely a c-section), that alone wouldn't qualify. Under the law that girl would have to give birth.
>>398376excellent point, average was late teens back at the beginning of the 19th centuryi'm a bit surprised that it basically halved over 200 years, didn't expect such a crazy shift
>>398271>Just make your own state HUUR HUUUR HUUUUUUR>You wouldn't have to rot in jail for ten years if you just followed the terms of serviceFuck you and your slut kid
>>398509It's mostly diet. Girls are eating a lot more these days, and a lot more fat and protein. Just a century ago the standard age for puberty was 15, now it's around 11. Cases of precocious puberty (where girls start puberty at around 7-8) are becoming more common too.
The most insane part is the right wing are happy Trump is keeping his mouth shut over this because everyone knows anything he said will make it harder for the courts to uphold it since he'll just outright say this is politically motivated.
>>398657>slut kidThis is bait.
>>398274Quiet anon. Abortion BAD. Corporatism, crime and low socioeconomic mobility GOOD.
>>397957Mmmm. Just think of all the anchor babies that will have a guaranteed Fast Pass to US citizenship. Imagine word spreading throughout migrant camps.. "Impregnate a white girl. She'll have to birth your rape baby and you'll get to stay in the country due to custody rights."
>>400032trump came out in favor of incest and rape abortions you dummy, read the news
>>398696Also increased medications in drinking water. A lot of Birth control gets flushed through urine and cant be taken out.
>>398205Thats literally because men, when given power, naturally become pedophiles.
>>397949Yet another innocent man punished. This world.
>>400047fuck thats true...
Why don't just take the pills after being raped?
>>397949women wont be punished tho, it very directly states in the legislation that only doctors can get punished. even fucking buzzfeed reported correctly on it, why cant you?
>>398266It’s a kind of pudding
>>400124Without insurance those pills can be $50-100, which a kid or poor person probably doesn't haveI think if you report it and get a rape kit done, you get the Plan B, but not everyone reports or is too scared to.
>punish rape victimsBut the girl won't get punsihed for getting an aborton the doctor will?
>>400090He still wants Roe v Wade overturned, which means he's against them.Did you forget he's a pathological lair?
>>397949thought this was anime/"moe"-version of the jfk assassination at first
>>397949Does that sushitrack table have a fucking sink? What is that?
>>400138>>400125Why the fuck would the doctor risk helping the girl if his ass is on the line? How the fuck is the girl going to find a doc willing to help her?
>>398274>ALEC wrote this legislation and sent it off to every state with a Republican governorsource?>This benefits Israelhow?
>>400262By going to the hundreds of planned parent hood murder centers that always pop up on bordering state lines for easy access
>>400285If your solution the hole in the law is "go someplace that law doesn't cover", your law is fucked.
>>400295baby murderholes are your "solution", not mine
>>400301What kind of a non-sequitor is this? What does a "baby murder hole" have to with a doctors being unwilling to abort a rape pregnancy on child because of their fear of legal retribution?
>>400318What? Your argument is devolving into complete gibberish and I can't understand you.
>>400138Doctors get up to 99 years AND the woman gets up to 30. Both get punished.
>>400323not him but you must be being retarded on purpose
>>397949>women finally get to experience what it's like for their vagina to have the same rights as a gun>don't like it, want to go backTurnabout is fair play
>>400047> you'll get to stay in the country due to custody rightsNo, you won't. 99 times out of 100, the mother will get custody. As long as she is not in prison, the father has zero chance.The court will simply award full custody to the mother, and deport the father anyway. Sorry.
>>400421How? My original argument was that this law is punishing rape victims, because the girl is unable to get care if the doctors are unwilling to help her due to fear of legal retribution. The anon responded to this glaring hole in the law by stating a that this 12 year old girl simply travel to a states that don't follow the law. I called him out on his non argument and he devolved into a nonsensical greentext about "murder holes".I believe his argument is that all abortion is murder and the ethical cost of taking this life is too great (but because his argument is not laid out clearly this is only a guess). To which I would counter point that a.) Abortion is not the same as murder ethically or logically and even if it was b.) the ethical cost of forcing a child (12) to birth and raise the baby of her rapist, is greater than the cost of murder.
>>400301>murderholes"nice to see your sense of humour coming back"
>>400436She can also get an abortion at any of the clinics still currently open becasue you know. Its not in affect yet
>>400311I think what he meant was abortion is never a solution. But for the left it is.
>>400957Again, the argument stands when the law is in effect. Being in a time/place when the law isn't in effect is not a counter argument to this flaw in the law.>>400958If that was his argument it is poorly laid out and has little support to his claim. I dont give a fuck about what his opinion is, I care about why he holds it and is bringing it to this discussion. Also Left right is nothing more than bullshit identity politics and has little merit in this discussion in this new law aside from context.
>>398248Two different thruths can exist at the same damn time, this is not a fucking contest. Circumcision of little babies and children, male and female, is horrible and absolutely needs to be stopped.That there is such disconnect over it for being done to male infants doesnt make this bullshit abortion law okay. That doesnt give a pass to be god awful to other groups of people.Fight against both abuses, because they both suck.
>>398311On paper yes. But in reality they're going to abuse everything within their power to force a girl in her situation to give birth.
>>400965Your argument is trying to use this poor 11 year old girl as a political tool. Abortion is murder and people need to see that. Yes shes 11 and thats a really young age. But wasnt mother mary just 12 when god bestowed her with baby jesus. Not all circumstances are pretty but killing a baby isnt pretty either.
>>401024Is this supposed to be sarcasm?
>>401024You want to criticize me for using a documented, real life, example, but then insist on using an example from the bible as anecdotal evidence? Seriously?
>>398169did you just assume a man can't get pregnant? fucking bigot
>>401024It could literally kill her to have a baby at that age when her body is not developed enough to have it. Both her and the baby are much more likely to die statistically than a woman of mature age. You're insanely fucking cruel and I don't know how you sleep with yourself at night.
>>400427>No, you won't. 99 times out of 100, the mother will get custody.Legal status has no bearing when anyone, including a rapist, petitions for custody, support, and visitation rights. In Alabama, the woman forced to carry a Mexican rape baby has no legal protections if her rapist pursues a fight over parental rights. In Ohio, she has to wait until a conviction of the rape before requesting termination of parental rights.With conservative activist judges siding more with men over custody rights, anchor rape babies could become a viable path to staying in the country.https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/health/parental-rights-rapists-explainer/index.html
>>401596would it kill you to stop being such a whiney hysterical bitch?
>>401596You're not a medical professional, you can't make that call. You're just a dude on the internet. The lawmakers however are career politicians who know what they're doing. I think I trust them more, considering they've kept our country running.
>>401794why don't the whiney hysterical bitch crowd just go back inna kitchen and make sammiches?
>>401596You dont care about that girl or the baby shes carrying. Youre meerly using her for the extreme example of her situation. All people want is for others to understand that there is a living human inside of a women when she is pregnant. Terminating a pregnancy is murder
>>401977It’s been revealed that Russians are now trying to sow discontent over abortion. I assume anyone with your level of autism is in fact a Russian troll. Everyone witness what a Russian troll looks like.
>>401984>I assume anyone with your level of autismhow's your first day on 4chan
>>401779The lawmakers aren't medical professionals. Which is it that gets to make the choice, a lawmaker or a doctor?
>>401986Very good actually. Is there snacks? Or do I just eat shit all day?
>>401988>The lawmakers aren't medical professionalsRon Paul is.And his son rand.Checkmate, anonymous poster
>>401988The lawmakers are not medical professionals, they are lawmakers.The medical professionals are medical professionals, not lawmakers.You sir, are neither. Why does your opinion mean more than either of the former?
>>402061That’s the point dummy. Why are non-medical professionals deciding on a medical issue?
>>401999Ron & Rand are religious fanatics, so who cares if they are M.Ds? Bottom line, this law is bullshit. None of them care about. "Life". They are just jebus freaks. Only a sick asshole would force an 11 year old to carry a baby to term put there by a rapist.
>>400967>That doesnt give a pass to be god awful to other groups of people.Tell that to your feminist cunt friends who think men lamenting the fact that they were genitally mutilated is funny and revel in the idea of being able to punish men in the most personal way possible. Until we start having a national dialogue about men being denied a fundamental fucking right to their own bodies like we do every time the abortion issue comes up, then I will never see any reason to give half a shit about women. Men are routinely laughed at and dismissed by both liberals and conservatives in this fucking worthless shithole country for trying to speak out about this issue, and the medical industry is just allowed to run roughshod over men as they mutilate them and then sell the tissue they stole from them to pharmaceutical companies. The sociopathic pieces of shit we call doctors in this country have violated 120 million men in the most intimate way possible marking them like cattle and gone and SOLD that body part that they gleefully took away from them. You get that? Men have had part of their genitals cut off and then sold, and you expect me to give a fuck about abortion? Get out of here.
>>402076Like insurance companies? I don't know.
>>402205Im sorry you feel that way, and I don't blame you. I DO "get that" without you needing to vent it out at me but that's okay. Two wrongs don't make everything right. The reality is that there is a massive push for allowing men to be more natural, to be allowed to have vulnerability and weakness and thoughts, feelings and emotions, because these are human traits. For men to not only be allowed to take on traditional female roles like being stay at home dad or being able love and cry and ask for help, but to also be given legal and financial support for these things. It is there, and you don't even have to look hard for it.There are massive push backs to keep things status quo, too. From fear, misunderstanding, value of tradition. Which is really fuckin disheartening. But the less open you are to learning how to be understanding and supportive of the rights of others, the less effective you're going to be in reaching and connecting those who do care, and can change.Essentially, you won't understand what it takes to reach out to people if you are unwilling to learn it yourself. Certainly nobody is going to give a shit if you treat everyone different as your mortal enemy.People change most when they gain experience and points of views through connection with people one on one who suffer from said problem. Less so by experiencing the problem at hand themselves, bc cognitive dissonance.And not everyone is going to be receptive. That is just a sad fact of life. You basically have to be the change you want to see, my dude. I don't expect you or really anyone to support abortion itself. But with your understanding of what it's like to be punished in certain ways strictly bc of your gender, which you were born by chance into and have no control or say over? Yea that isn't a far reaching expectation to have for someone as insightful as you to be supportive of the right to have abortion.
>>397949>seek to punish rape victims as young as 12 years of agewow what a non-biased take
>>402457We don't see too many unbiased titles here on /news/ these days.
>>402076Because they're lawmakers and/or potentially like >>402208 said, risk assessment financial advisors for insurance companies. It's not missile science, it's actually quiet and simple.
>>397949Rape is 1% of abortions. Do your research.https://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/rape-and-incest-just-1-of-all-abortions.html
>>402533The percent doesnt matter. Its still happening and there needs to be set law explaining what happens
>>402533That study is decades old and doesn't take into account much more current societal changes and population growth. That said, lets talk about the 16,000 estimate. That is a massive number of women needing abortion JUST for rape alone. Medical reasons excluded, personal reasons be damned; Sixteen thousand, bruh. That's a number 1.5x higher than some whole town's population count. Abortion even at its MINIMUM allowance for rape only, based on decades old data and even some outdated laws (marital rape used to not be considered a crime, for example, and rape is always notoriously under reported) dictates that thousands more women than "believed" by pro life groups need to be able to happen.
>>402561What precedent is that, exactly? If abortion shouldn't be allowed because it's murder, it's *still* murder if the baby was conceived through rape or incest.
>>401999Didn't Rand give himself a degree?
>>402533Rape doesn't exist, every time a woman claims that it happened it turns out that shes lying.
>>401999Ron Paul retired from congress almost a decade ago. You're incredible ill informed and ignorant on this topic and yet you also have very strong opinions which you're certain of, all of that adds up to mean that you're stupid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
>>402601Recent studies showed that 100% of people who attempted to cite DK at people suffered from DK themselves.
how about this, you can get an abortion but then you get raped in exchange. everybody wins.
>>398188>It's unnatural for an 11 year old to give birthDo you think abortion is natural?
>>398169>because a boy will never have to give birth to a child.no, he'll just be forced to have responsibility for that child after his rapist births it>>398188>Got nothin' to do with men.The fact that we have always punished 12 year old rape victims of the disposable sex has everything to do with the fact that girls are now being treated as shittily as boys. Maybe if feminists could adopt the egalitarian stance that "we shouldn't punish 12 year old rape victims *regardless of the victim's gender*" then we wouldn't have this problem, but instead feminists, as always, tried to have rights for girls but not for boys and it backfired.
>>400132It's almost like discused women need security instead of getting interuption and going back to where they got raped. But that is crazy and do not generate publicity.
>>402628Yes, it is. The efforts of men and women to prevent, control, and end pregnancies are clearly recorded in history throughout the world.Some say abortion is animalistic, but if animals had the knowledge to prevent and end pregnancy, they'd fucking do it too. It is natural instinct for females who find the risk outweighs the reward of child bearing and rearing, to abandon or outright kill their offspring.It's not pretty, but it is natural. > inb4 muh rape is natural too!!Again, humans have the knowledge what rape and unwanted pregnancy is, why they are bad things, and the wherewithal in terms of common freekin sense and resources to prevent and remedy both.> Prevent and remedy both by not getting pregnant in the first place!Unfortunately life is really complex and unforseen shit happens. You could be the most prepared couple in the world and lose everything in a day, including your partner. That aside, preventing the majority of abortions via unwanted pregnancy is really, REALLY easy if the people who dont want them stop getting in the way of those who do, and pass legislation for ALL forms of birth control and family planning services be readily available and at the very least subject to a sliding scale payment, if not free at all. For both men and women. Contraceptive is not one size fits all, one method wont work for every person, not even condoms. Plus the more methods you have available the more likely people are to double up measures. Nothing will stop rape, incest, medical maladies, and unfortunate life circumstances however. Thus, pregnancy prevention and abortion are natural.This bullshit about forcing little kids and teens to give birth however? That's incredibly sadistic for someone who claims to value the life of children.
>>402632Treating boys and girls with equal humanity is still the right idea. Dont throw out the whole idea and give up fighting for it just because some people act retarded. Dont punish one group just because another has it rough in a different way. It is acheiveable to eventually right both wrongs with time and effort, and continuously pushing for society to stop acting like an asshat on said situation. Time is sometimes the only thing you have to wait on bc old people with outdated views die off. Some things never change until the old shits in power start pushing up daisies.
>>402601That's correct, and it is demonstrated repeatedly via interviews, hearings, and commentary posts that DK and cognitive dissonance tend to go hand in hand with overzealous anti-abortionists.
All this means is white flight will hit these states hard and poor niggers will intensify. Gonna enjoy my northwest front flooding with whites as the years roll on l m a o Cuckservatives prove they hate europeans once more
>>397949>I was raped so my child gets to dieSounds legit
>>402646>Treating boys and girls with equal humanity is still the right ideatell that to feminists.>It is acheiveable to eventually right both wrongs with time and effortwe've been hearing that for 50 years and still have almost no progress on men's issues. We're done with that. We're not going to support rights only for women and be told "eventually we'll stop actively fighting against men's rights maybe."If you care about women's rights, you also have to support men's rights. If feminists are going to keep telling me that only women matter and if they're going to keep calling me a misogynist because I think that we shouldn't punish 12 year old male rape victims, then they can fuck off.I support treating boys and girls with equal humanity. If feminists felt the same then this law never would have happened. Because the only way laws like this get passed is because egalitarians have to spend so much time fighting against feminists, and tradcons can take advantage of that. When the people fighting for women's rights are the same bigots fighting against men's rights, it's hard to support them.
>>402742bait.And yes, she gets to choose if her fetus miscarries or not. I won't engage you further, just making sure that for every time you try to equate a zygote with a full born child, someone is here to tell you to fuck off, you dumb Russian / poltarded FAGGOT.
>>402752Worry less about what the feminist you hate think and say, and focus more on doing whatever it takes to work for that kind of safety and recognition. Backlash doesnt all come from feminists only. Backlash, like support, comes from every area you can think of, and surprisingly in some places you wouldn't. Even on this site itself. There are pro life who arent anti abortion, there are men in MRA who dont hate women and actively support them, and there are feminists who actually walk the walk. Go where they are, but be willing to accept they may be in places you might initially balk at. Or just give up and stew in your own discontent, blaming the lack of effectivness with your choice of inaction on other people who happen to be wrong but also loud and active. There is more support and dialogue out there than EVER before, but if you insist on remaining closed up, bitter and contrarian, you aren't going to be part of it, let alone help it move along.There is really nothing else for me to say on this particular matter, at this point Im repeating myself.
>>402640>had the knowledge to prevent and end pregnancyI wouldn't necessarily call it knowledge, but many animals eat their new birthed young for various (mostly unknown) reasons.The prevailing idea is they do it when the newborn is sick/disfigured or when the mother decides she needs the nutrition more than having a kid. I may be incorrectly recalling, back 20 years ago the idea was also that they do it when they birthed kids into a dangerous environment, or they'll eat the "ones too many" if the litter was large.Though I'm also of the camp who thinks that most any animal with a brain and social behavior has a much more capable mind than we generally believe, no so in the abstract thinking sense (i.e. patterned language, maths, imaginary story telling), but enough of a logical/spatial processing ability to understand their surroundings to a similar level of our "instincts".The bear learns of seasons and, to be successful, learns that it must stock up on food before cold comes. Not so different from the human rationale, when put simply.
>>402632>backfiredOnly to autistic incels who want to equate abortion to circumcision
>>402588People have an easier time killing rape babies and retarded babies i guess
>>397949I am not against the sentiment behind this law, as I do think more often than not abortion is treated too lightly, and more of a dialogue should be had with expectant mothers. However, I do think the problem with this law is mostly due to the fact that it won't prevent abortions from happening, it will just prevent abortions from happening legally, which is the safer and cleaner option.
>>402603DK applies to everyone, but it's asymmetrical
>>402814until all the people who vote for this crap adopt a bunch of kids, they are hypocrites
>>402814>it wont stop abortionsit will probably stop quite a few
>>402814>Our women are so addited to abortions they will get them one way or another>If they can't do it legally they will find a cartel member willing to give them an abortion in a back alley>If women can't have legal abortions the mexican abortion cartels will take overKek, I'm ok with abortions but women are not going to be going into alleys with coat hangers if they are made illegal
>>402999Abortion laws are class warfare. The Rich will always be able to have them. Its basically a Republican law to cease the means of reproduction from the poor. Its communism of the body in the name of a fake deity while the plutocrats are still flying in doctors for their abortions.
>>403066I only used the communism analogy because I love confusing the retarded right. In reality its fascism - a form of government the retarded right is comfortable with. If it were communism women would be treated equally and there wouldn't be this issue. Its plutocracy and fascism. Republicans are really just the worst.
>>397949Why are the least educated and poorest states the most conservative?
>>397956My aunt died in Ohio due to a similar law. (Reddit spacing incoming...)Got preggers, was determined to have child, despite the risk to her life, being a hemophiliac.At about six months pregnant, she got into a car accident, and was hospitalized.Baby was fine, but while they were checking it over, they discovered said baby had Peterson's Syndrome, meaning it was going to be stillborn.They decided they didn't want to move her in that condition, and rather than safely removing the baby while they had her open, the law forced them to have her to bring the dead baby to term, and, despite some effort made to force early labor, she died due to complications.Killed a mother to save a baby, that's already dead.I'm all for laws that prevent using abortion as a form of birth control, but even back before Roe vs. Wade, we had more common sense. If the mother's life was in danger and the baby is dead anyways, the doctor was obligated to abort.Similar with cases of insest and rape. There's been cases of convicted rapists claiming they had no other way to reproduce - this clearly should not be an option for such misfits. Defies both common sense, morality, natural selection, and, for the most part, even religion.Kind of sick of the fact that, when it comes to any controversial subject these days, people are all or nothing. Just use some common sense, particularly when it comes to "life and death" laws, FFS.
ohio, where it's legal to smoke weed for your "glaucoma" but if you're a little girl who has been raped and you want to get an abortion they'll try to sentence you to death. What a shit hole.
BIG HUGE REMINDER THAN SINGLE MOMMIES AND UNWANTED BABIES BRINGS FREE FEDERAL WELFARE DOLLARS TO YOU STATE AND ALL THAT AFDC CASH CASH MONEY GOES RIGHT INTO THE LANDLORD'S POCKET OR TO THE RICH GUY WHO OWNS THE KFC AROUND THE CORNER (AKA THE LANDLORD'S BROTHER IN LAW)
>>403163Perfectly viable organs and tissue can't be taken from a dead person's body if there was no consent given in life. Regardless if the organs are a life saving match to someone alive and still in need. A dead, rotting body has more autonomy than a living, breathing, walking, talking woman.
>>403382>waaaaaaaa woe is megrow up and stop crying like a baby, adults are responsible for their own actions, parents are responsible for their children. its not my job to pay for their welfare, people should think twice about letting their underage child turn into a baby shitting slut and terminal welfare case. my opinion is that if an underage female gets pregnant then the parents should be arrested for stautory rape because it was their responsibility to prevent such an occurrence. all of this underaged abortion bullshit just enables neglectful parenting, kids getting raised in front of the tv, ipad and internet with no guidance is bad news for everyone except the maybe the big corporations manufacturing and selling the tvs, ipads and internets
>>403575It must be painful to be so retarded that your parents never loved you enough to either abort you or teach you how not to be a troglodyte. You clearly present why you're too damn insufferable to tolerate.All your Me Big Angry huffy puffy foot stomping and self righteousness has no basis or alignment with how the world actually fucking works. Ideals dont mean shit when they go so far against reality that it actually begins to harm rather than help. When you have an actual, big boy response to why a cadaver is morally and legally more respected and protected than living people, then maybe you can have some meaningful attention and discussion.
This thread is filled with retarded incels
It’s called a flight of stairs and an accident Problem solved
Why should the child be sacrificed for the sins of either parent? What did this unborn human do that was worthy of death? His father may be did something worthy of it, but is it fair to judge and punish someone for the act of another? Abortion is murder, murder is the taking of a life without need or reason. If the pregnancy is life threatening to the mother, then it might be reasonable to consider it, but outside of that, it should not even be considered.