https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-state-senate-passes-near-total-abortion-ban-direct-challenge-n1005556That's the second big state law in recent weeks that might seek to overturn Roe v. Wade. Article below and pic unrelated:>The Alabama state Senate on Tuesday approved a bill essentially banning abortion in the state, a move specifically aimed at challenging more than 40 years of federal abortion protection under Roe v. Wade. The bill would make it a felony for a doctor to perform or attempt an abortion during any stage of pregnancy.>The House approved a version of the bill that had an exception for the mother's health, passing 74-3, then a Senate committee added an exception for rape and incest. Republicans in the Senate, however, suddenly tabled the rape and incest exemptions last week, leading to swift and vocal opposition from Democrats.>Shouting erupted as Democratic Sen. Bobby Singleton, other Democrats and at least one Republican objected to the motion being gaveled through without a roll call vote.>"You've got 27 men over on the other side ready to tell women what they can do with their bodies," Singleton said. "You don't have to procedurally just try to railroad us.">The session was adjourned after Senate President Pro Tem Del Marsh, a Republican, suggested the lawmakers take the weekend to cool down.>Singleton put up an amendment to make exceptions in the case of rape and incest again on Tuesday night. Four Republicans joined the seven Democrats present to vote for the exceptions, but the measure failed in a roll call vote. Singleton then accused proponents of the legislation of having "raped the state of Alabama with this bill."
>>397606>"You don’t care anything about babies for real. You just kicked them in the stomach and you aborted them yourselves," Singleton said Tuesday. "You just aborted the state of Alabama with your rhetoric with this bill. You just aborted the state of Alabama and all of you should be put in jail for this abortion you just laid on Alabama.">During Tuesday's debate on the bill in the Senate, Democratic State Senator Vivian Figures introduced an amendment to require legislators who voted in favor of the ban to pay the legal fees in the inevitable court challenges, and then another to make vasectomies a felony.>During Tuesday's debate on the bill in the Senate, Democratic State Senator Vivian Figures introduced an amendment to require legislators who voted in favor of the ban to pay the legal fees in the inevitable court challenges, and then another to make vasectomies a felony.>Both of the amendments were rejected by roll call vote.>The bill easily passed the Senate 25-6. It now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, who has not indicated whether she will sign it. If she does, it would be the strictest abortion law in the country.
>>397608>Sen. Doug Jones, D-Ala., called the bill an "extreme attack" on women's freedoms in a video statement posted to his Twitter Monday.>"These are Republican legislators who are overwhelmingly men, are so extreme and so callous that they would support a bill that denies a woman a constitutional right that they’ve had for decades," Jones said. "They would take that right and make their doctors and healthcare providers criminals.”>With the new conservative majority on the Supreme Court, lawmakers across the country are pushing for tougher abortion laws to challenge the high court's 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.>Alabama House Rep. Terri Collins, who sponsored the bill, told NBC News Tuesday evening that legislators wanted to keep the bill's text as clean as possible, specifically to address the language in Roe v. Wade, which talked about a baby being "in utero.">"This bill's purpose is to hopefully get to the Supreme Court and have them revisit the actual decision, which was is the baby in a womb, a person?" Collins said. "And we believe technology and science shows that it is. You can see that baby tissue develop all the way through now.">Georgia's Republican Gov. Brian Kemp recently signed legislation banning abortions once a fetal heartbeat can be detected.>"Heartbeat abortion" bans have also been signed into law in Mississippi, Kentucky, Ohio this year. Lawmakers in Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina, Florida, Texas, Louisiana and West Virginia are considering similar proposals.
>>397606>That's the second big state law in recent weeks that might seek to overturn Roe v. Wade.what was the first? The only other law I've heard of is trying to make it illegal for women to ruin innocent men's lives. Obviously feminists hate that, because their movement is all about ruining men's lives, but what's that got to do with roe v wade?>to tell women what they can do with their bodiesfriendly reminder that male rape victims have to pay child support to their rapists and feminists think it's misogynistic to oppose this.>With the new conservative majority on the Supreme Courtconservatives only have a majority on the supreme court because the liberals went full misandrist. If the left didn't hate men, they would have controlled the supreme court. Why should we care about abortion when the pro-choice crowd hates men?
>>397633>Abububhubh everyone hates men abuhubuhhbhhyhh
>>397633>what was the first?Georgian law >>394082>rest of that postBait general.
>>397639>>397643Not an argument misandrists
These laws are soooo great! By far and away the majority of people who seek abortions are people of color. This law will hasten the arrival of the white minority and the end of the white male law maker in power. It will also speed up the entire elimination of the "so called" superior pure white race in America. Talk about short sighted, ignorant politicians! hahaha
>>397746Anon that's the point the prison industry and prison economy is under threat and this is a easy roundabout way of keeping it well oiled.>Abortions illegal>Exponentially more pregnant women and couples who don't want to have kids>Forced to raise a child regardless of actual personal want or economic position It's so insidious that its brilliant. Any person who has a child forced on them is going to have a ridiculously hard time adjusting especially in this economy and considering its poor people who have children more than the wealthy who initiated this bill that's more poor kids who are more likely to commit crime and enter the prison system to get farmed for money. There's a shit ton of layers to this
Daily reminder that instead of encouraging and supporting safe and responsible sex you shouldn't have sex at all. Condoms, contraceptives, and knowledge are against American and Human rights and freedom. You do not own the reproductive rights to your body nor should you, the state does and always will.God Bless America
So what does the law do?It says it effectively outlawing abortion. But it's not actually doing so.So what is it actually doing?
>>397775>The bill would make it a felony for a doctor to perform or attempt an abortion during any stage of pregnancy.
>>397776Yes it says that. And then brings up heartbeats at the end.And the Georgia bill. So the couched language of effectively banning abortion made it confusing if it was another heartbeat bill
Rep. Terry Collins (R), who said after the vote: "This bill is about challenging Roe v. Wade and protecting the lives of the unborn, because an unborn baby is a person who deserves love and protection."It's funny they say this but will never expand and improve CPS, ACS, Foster care services, or any form of social programs. But think about the children!
>During Tuesday's debate on the bill in the Senate, Democratic State Sen. Vivian Figures introduced an amendment to require legislators who voted in favor of the ban to pay the legal fees in the inevitable court challenges, and then another to make vasectomies a felony. Both of the amendments were rejected by roll call voteThese Republican bible thumping fucks are so disengenous its hilarious
>>397780Should >>397774 be murdered?If you don't, will you pay for his food? Will you invite him into your home and provide him shelter? Pay his medical bills?Just because you don't want him to be murdered, it doesn't mean you have to pay his rent. That's his job. And if he's a child, that is his parents job, as the child is a responsibility of the parent and not the state.
>>397784So the state has a responsibility to force a person to give birth but has no responsibility to the programs supporting families and children that are demonstrably fucked? Based Morality and FeelsPolice. I also water plants with fire I'm glad the States are following my example
>>397786It's not forcing you to give birthHaving unprotected sex is what forced you to have birth. And given that less than 0.5% abortions are caused by rape, you chose to have sex willingly. Having sex leading to babies is one of those things that is known to happen.The state can support families, by not levying taxes on them, and not robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not taking money from one to prop up another levels the playing field and supports families by making the rules fair
>>397786The state isn't forcing a person to give birth, they're forcing a person to refrain from abortion. There is a difference.You, as this theoretical adult who has a baby, chose to engage in the act of procreation. Sometimes its on purpose, and sometimes its by accident, but the underpinnings of the opposite side's argument are that you don't have the right to take another life, so if you don't want to raise a baby, don't make a baby to begin with.I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand or why they have to be so disingenuous about it. If you don't want to raise a kid, do not have kids.
>>397788Yes Abstinence is the answer. We need to reverse decades of social progress and technology because our feels can't handle being more than we used to. Having extensive and effective programs in place to buy a gun? Absolutely. Fuck yeah Second Amendment. A fucking men brother.Extensive programs and resources that teach safe sex, birth control, and responsible sex that aren't crippled by state and federal education policies and laws being contradictory, lobbied by religious and conservative groups? Are you fucking nuts you stupid fucking lib cuck? What the fuck is wrong with you? How dare you even have the fucking audacity to think your reproductive system and rights belongs to you? Revitalizing and improving our current child services? Nope fuck them kids. We wouldn't even need them if we forced more people to have kids. Sex is also a state activity. By the way we have no intention of banning vasectomy. Babies just come from women anyway.
>>397791>The state isn't forcing a person to give birth, they're forcing a person to refrain from abortion.>The state isn't forcing you to have a kid it's just getting rid of the most effective option you have to not have a kid besides practicing a religious tenet or being a eunuch or infertile. There's a difference. You didn't want to have a kid how dare you have sex you fucking animalWoah. Is this the power of the pro lifer?
>>397788yes, throw away all the data on societal norms about how poor/uneducated people have the most sex then tell them just dont have sex. you're a moron. They're still going to have sex just their kids will be born into poverty and shit education. "Pull up your boot straps" is not a real solution in reality anon, especially for societies.
>The Womb Is now State PropertyTHELANDOF THE FREE
>>397796Is that what they are saying?There's laws against smothering your 10 month old in its crib.Is the crib state property according to you?
>>397633>friendly reminder that male rape victims have to pay child support to their rapists and feminists think it's misogynistic to oppose this.is this true?
>>397799When you literally become a slave after being thrown in jail? Yes. Thats exactly what it means.
>>397799since when was a crib apart of your female autonomy?
>>397794>The state isn't forcing a person to give birth, they're forcing a person to refrain from abortion.>The state isn't forcing you to have a kid it's just getting rid of the most effective option you have to not have a kid besides practicing a religious tenet or being a eunuch or infertile. There's a difference. You didn't want to have a kid how dare you have sex you fucking animalLet's use another example. Marriage. The state isn't forcing you to be married, it has the process of divorce. But it's just getting rid of the most effective option you have to not be married which is murdering your wife. Murdering your wife is the most efficient way of no longer being married. Is the state opressing you because it's preventing you from murdering someone you don't want to deal with
>>397803You're moving the goal posts. Your original post had nothing in it about female anatomy
>>397806Murdering your wife is the most efficient way to stop being married. Divorces are long and costly and can take a year of your time and resources.
>>397804marriage is a social construct, sex is the our primary goals as humans, great analogy
>>397791>chose to engage in the act of procreationAnd for those who did not choose, or rather, had that choice unilaterally made for them by another party?>Republicans in the Senate, however, suddenly tabled the rape and incest exemptions last week, leading to swift and vocal opposition from Democrats.>Singleton put up an amendment to make exceptions in the case of rape and incest again on Tuesday night. Four Republicans joined the seven Democrats present to vote for the exceptions, but the measure failed in a roll call vote.At least they seem to have kept the exception for the mother's health (because losing a mother to gain a baby is extremely crushing for any family) but not having an exception for rape is inexcusable.
>>397802Wait who's throwing you in jail and making you a slave? And for what reason?
>>397804>Let's use another example. MarriageNo thank you I'd rather talk about Abortion and the state deciding it owns your mother's, sister's, and daughter's womb. Hopefully you won't have to be forced to help raise the rape baby of one of your family members. It's not like rapists also really enjoy impregnating women and the influence and power they are able to project on them. It's a good thing the reproductive rights and freedom of men and women are on the same standing in Alabama...OhWait
>>397808Not sex. Procreation.Every one of your ancestors has had children. The goal is children not sex.
>>397811They own their wombs.It's just preventing them from murdering their own children.Just like how if you own your home you can't murder your wife in it, even if your name is on the deed.
>>397812And how exactly do people procreate?
>>397810If you decide that you do in fact own the reproductive rights to your body and decide to have an abortion and take a pill you'll be thrown in prison.>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.God bless the prison industry it'll never die thankfully enough. We need these revolving doors of human suffering and systems and social attitudes that make it as hard as possible to reintegrate.
>>397812There is no biological drive to procreate, just have sex. You're a moron.
>>397814here's a better analogy, why is it legal for you to masturbate? You're killing millions of children
>>397816Okay. So if I decide to own the home I am in and slip a cyanide capsule into my wife's drink, and the state throws me in jail is that infringing on my property rights?I own it. I should be able to murder anyone residing in it is what you're saying
>>397814The state has jurisdiction on your womb. It owns it and what happens to it. Are you really arguing against this when the state has laws in place directly stopping you from practicing autonomy on your own body? How are you arguing this?
>>397820If we're using a home analogy all the time, should we lock up those homeowners who "miscarriage" and kill their roommates like 50% of the time?
>>397819Because sperm isn't a seperate life form with seperate DNA forming a new life.Fetuses are human beings in time.If you have a person who is asleep, if you do nothing he will wake up, and become conscious.If you have a fetus, and do nothing, it will be born and become conscious.If you have sperm in your balls, and do nothing, it doesn't become a person.
>>397823The fetus can't exist within a vacuum, it needs nourishment and support from the womb in order to grow. If you "do nothing" then the fetus will starve and die. It is not self-sustaining the way a sleeping person is.
>>397820I find it cute how the only way you can argue against a person being able to have the right to decide whether or not they can have children is to use extreme analogies. It's really precious. Also I assume this is the part where you tell people that they absolutely need to adopt a personal religious social value if they want to live comfortably and not face the full extent of the law. Land of the free home of the brave and what not. When do we finally say Muslims had the right idea and implement our own version of sharia law?
>>397819Not him you should have asked why Alabama thinks a man should legally have more rights and freedom than a woman. I thought we were all equal in the eyes of lady liberty and the law?
>>397823you have no concept of how pregnancy works
>>397822When a pregnancy can be detected it's 1.5% actually
>>397817Have you never dealt with a woman in her mid to late 20s?
>>397821The state has jurisdiction in your home. You own your home, but if you murder someone in it the state will lock you up.You own your womb but if you murder someone in it the state will soon have the right to lock you up
>>397832Great so the state owns my sister's womb but not my ballsack. That's reassuring. I'm glad conservatives are truly consistent on their beliefs of small government being the best and staying out of people's lives. I'm also glad we finally get the opportunity to make the bible and my preacher a bigger influence on law. Separation of religion and state was the biggest mistake we have ever made.
>>397829So you don't consider it a baby until the pregnancy can be detected?
>>397832>More House analogies Great thing vandalism and murder is equal in the eyes of the law
>>397834No. I am saying you can't get an abortion until you can know you're pregnant.
>>397833Can you murder someone in your balls?I mean presumably if you can the state would prosecute you.
>>397836So you agree that miscarriages result in 50% of murder of roommates in their homes. Im just using your house analogy anon.
>>397837Every single sperm cell is a potential human
>>397836dont tell me what i can do incel, ill get an abortion right now just to prove a point to you neck beard that its my decision to make
>>397839No? If you do nothing they won't become a human.If a woman does nothing the fetus will be born in under 9 months. Your sperm are entirely your DNA. The fetus has distinct DNA, its own heart beat and is a different life form. That's why it's not a clone of the woman when it is born
>>397844If a woman does nothing then the fetus will die because the woman will have starved to death from not eating.Sperm are required to make humans, iPS technology isn't advanced enough yet to create humans from two eggs.
>>397844if a woman does nothing the fetus will die anon.
>>397837So a man is allowed full reproductive freedom but a woman isn't? Even when a man's direct actions creates a child just as much as a woman?Yeah no fuck off and fuck you and everything you stand for
>>397844>If a woman does nothing the fetus will be born in under 9 months.No? Pregnant women cannot do very strenuous physical activity, cannot use medications or drugs without risking complications to the fetus, and have to change their dietary habits or they can become anemic and/or diabetic. Birth is also dangerous for the mother, abortions are around 14x safer than birth even in first world countries where the mortality rate for birth is really low. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271Even with a relatively low mortality rate there's still a risk of complications during birthing procedure that can be medically significant for the mother or child.
>>397845I don't get why more people don't starve when they do nothing
>>397850Doing nothing means not eating, dumbass
>>397847What do you meanMen and women have different biology.You can't murder someone in your balls because no life will develop there. Gay guys can have sex all they want but they won't become pregnant because they are physically incapable of doing so. Men and women have different biology
>>397852Men and women have different biology but the very fucking foundation of this country is all men are equal and by men they mean fucking humans. >inb4 actually they meant just white people :DYet I have a law sitting in front if me telling me that the law is specifically leaning on women in all forms of context are legally inferior to men.Accidently get pregnant? Great you have to give birth. That womb is protected state property don't touch it you fucking monster. Accidently get a woman pregnant? No big deal you're good my dude. Go have more sexGot raped? Well fuck you have that kid and all the emotional baggage and deal with the criminal justice system constantly if the courts decide your rapist deserves to see the child he literally forced you to have and then the state forced you to birth. Good luck abandoning it along with the safe haven laws everybody knew you were pregnant you fucking monster how could you not raise that child.You're a dude and got raped by a woman? Congratulations on your new child and constant reminder. Hope you got enough money for child support atleast you didn't have to give birth my dude. This is some prehistoric dark ages bullshit. I don't give a fuck about the differing biology. I care about the laq looking at a fucking man and woman and telling them they're equal. Don't talk to me about biology when you want to support a permanent biological and mental change that occurs from being pregnant, having birth, and all that fucked up shit like post partum that comes after or during the pregnancy. >inb4 just stop living in an era of such technological, social, and educational advancement, and adopt an ancient religious practice if you want to be equal in the eyes of the law :^]
>>397606>Singleton then accused proponents of the legislation of having "raped the state of Alabama with this bill."Don't worry they can always abort it... Oh wait
>>397606>there are plenty of ways to reduce abortion or unintended pregnancies>let's ban all abortion instead, even though people will still get abortionsseems pretty intentional, I don't understand how people can defend this if they really cared about fetuses.
>>397858Also abortion rates have been the lowest since roevwade was enacted. Abortion rates have been decreasing yet they're challenging it, why?
>>3978592020 election and Republicans and conservatives are dying. They've already basically pivoted on nearly every policy. I'd thought I'd die the day I'd see a conservative or Republican talk about healthcare and not just nuking Obamacare because reasons. They're not going to beat a single fucking person on healthcare so time for another crisis while we have another """""""""'"crisis""""""" developing in Iran Also evangelicals and religious nuts are a powerful voting base this is unironically the best time to get this into a hot topic. Just like the artificial crisis of immigration that was trending downwards for years before Donald Just got the bright fucking idea to run.
>>397861>They're not going to beat a single fucking person on healthcareAnd yet time and time again Dems throw all of their advantages down the fucking drain by chasing identity politics instead.>American voters want Medicare for All>I know what we should talk about!>Reparations!
>>397876Reparations hasn't been a topic for the past 3 months and only became one because they're asked about Also identity politics is the biggest buzzword on the planet right now considering nearly all politics is identity politics. Class, Race, Wealth, or gender etc has always been political issues and at no point did it suddenly appear to need an entire new designation as identity politics or whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean these days
I doubt the bill itself matters. It’s a stepping stone to overturning roe vs wade in the Supreme Court. Remember, 5/9 conservatives are ion the judiciary, enough for a majority ruling on roe vs wade. If the heartbeat bill does that, then they can just keep the bill itself after. If roe vs wade is preserved, then the bill probably gets scrapped afterwards. Still, it’s all part of their master plan
>>397801Half. Welfare of child in such cases always comes before parents. So long as the child is born, parents will end up paying support. So it can just as easily be rich woman pays poor guy for the kid.
>>397788I want to agree with you anon. But these same states clamp down on sex education and make it difficult to get contraceptives. You can't take away every option and then hope people stop fucking because you said so. It goes against nature and is counterproductive to what you want (a society that doesn't leech off the gov).
>>397922We can look at the efficacy of sex education programs.Teenage pregnancies had been going down for years, until the late 1960s, when "sex education" was introduced in schools across the country. Then pregnancy rates rose nearly 50 percent over the next decade, among girls 15 to 19 years old — exactly the opposite of what had been predicted by the leftThe rate of infection for gonorrhea, for example, declined every year from 1950 through 1959, and the rate of syphilis infection was, by 1960, less than half of what it had been in 1950. Both trends reversed and skyrocketed after "sex education" became pervasive.
>>397941can you show me this data?
>>397941>Teenage pregnancies had been going down for years, until the late 1960s, when "sex education" was introduced in schools across the country.I think you're presenting this data dishonestly. These "sex education" programs you're referring to were abstinence based. Abstinence based sex education has been a horrendous public policy and were initially born in the late 50's and 60's as a response to the growing trend of teenage sex and, of course, the "free love" generation that willfully participated in casual sex and drug use. All the working data we have on the issue shows that providing condoms, birth control and safe sex education as opposed to the abstinence based sex education drastically reduces STD transmission and teenage pregnancy. Statistically, we live in the least promiscuous generation since the 1920's. The average number of casual sex partners reported by young adults has been decreasing since the 1960's. If your insistence is that educating young people about sex increases teen pregnancy and STD transmission you're categorically incorrect. As it turns out, teenagers will have sex whether you educate them about it or not and providing them with the tools to practice it safely is a sound public policy.
>The government can now dictate and control your family BasedBirth quotas whenI never think we'd declare war on the poor by forcing them to exist considering the significanct portion use by people in poverty. The Machine needs cogs, goyim
>The government can now dictate and control your family BasedBirth quotas whenI never thought we'd declare war on the poor by forcing them to exist considering the significant portion of use by people in poverty. The Machine needs cogs, goyim. Do your duty.
>>397811>It's a good thing the reproductive rights and freedom of men and women are on the same standing in Alabama...As already discussed, in Alabama and every state, men don't have any reproductive rights. Even male rape victims have to pay child support.
>>398037Good thing abortions aren't legal anymore do you know how many honeytrap rapists are gonna move there now? You MGTOW pathetic incel fucks had the chance to enforce reproductive equality by banning tying your tubes, and either banning or enforcing vasectomies but decided to suck the dick of Evangelical Bible thumpers. Fucking absolutely unironically unequivocally based.
>>398066>MGTOW incelanon I am neither. I am an egalitarian who supports gender equality for both men and women. While I oppose this law, I have a hard time caring when literally all this law does is treat women as shittily as men are treated. I would prefer to see both men and women have rights, but maybe treating women like men will convince feminists that denying anybody reproductive rights are wrong. We'll have to wait and see. I hope that this law will give feminists some empathy for what the less privileged sex has to deal with and maybe some of those misandrists will change their mind and support men's rights.
>>398106You're delusional if you believe that men are exclusively the oppressed gender in this country. Consider the fact that most high positions of power, both public and private are held by men. Shouldn't your issue with be other men if you claim that men are treated the shittiest in our country?
>>398115You're projecting. Egalitarians don't think men are exclusively the oppressed gender. Feminists are the ones who think that women are exclusively the oppressed gender.>Consider the fact that most high positions of powerIDK where you live but I live in the US, a democracy with a female-majority voters. Women are the ones who elect politicians. Barack Obama was a male feminist. The fact that he's a feminist matters more than the fact that he's a male. There are countless feminist politicians and literally zero MRA or egalitarian politicians.
>>398129>You're projecting.You specifically said this law is treating women and shitty as men are treated, obviously implying that men are the more oppressed gender. >IDK where you live but I live in the US, a democracy with a female-majority voters. Women are the ones who elect politicians.None of this is true. It seems as though you're hunting for the specter of feminism in literally every aspect of policy in which you disagree. If something goes wrong, lets just blame feminists. Someone has policies you don't agree with? Its because he's a feminist. Feminism is a real convenient boogeyman for a lot of you MRA types who refuse to conceded that nobody supports you because you are delusional and illogical, not because there's some secret cabal of feminists plotting against your righteous agenda.
>>398115>obviously implying that men are the more oppressed gender.That's not what anon said.
How can you murder a being that has never been born? These laws make zero sense.
>>397780Republicans only care about the unborn, but once you're born you're on your own.
>>397918Name ONE(1) example of that ever happening
>>397826Are you blind, man? Lady liberty is blind.
>>398066I saw a copypasta describing your type of behavior as how women argue with holes by proxy when on the internet
>>397606Fantastic! the salt that will result from this law will entertain me for weeks!*AHEM* FUCK DEMOCRATSFUCK TRANNIESFUCK NIGGERSAND MOST OF ALLFUCK JANNIESHAIL ”MAD MAX” STIRNER