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https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/12/nancy-pelosi-section-230/

In a new interview with Recode, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made some notable comments on what by all accounts is the most important law underpinning the modern internet as we know it.

Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act is as short as it is potent — and it’s worth getting familiar with. It states “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”

When asked about Section 230, Pelosi referred to the law as a “gift” to tech companies that have leaned heavily on the law to grow their business. That provision, providing tech platforms legal cover for content created by their users, is what allowed services like Facebook, YouTube and many others to swell into the massive companies they are today.

"It is a gift to them and I don’t think that they are treating it with the respect that they should, and so I think that that could be a question mark and in jeopardy… I do think that for the privilege of 230, there has to be a bigger sense of responsibility on it. And it is not out of the question that that could be removed."

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It's the end of the fucking internet. Europe has gone off the deep end, Trump leads an army of sycophants who think that moderation should be made illegal, and now the Democrats are planning to siege the internet from the left. What a time to be alive.
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There's no taking back technological progress. An alternative will be created.

It may be shitty at first, rely on IoT hacks to propagate, but it will eventually solidify. There's no doubt about this.
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While it's obvious Pelosi's just threatening onerous regulation if the tech sector doesn't censor sufficiently proactively for her liking, Facebook et al shouldn't have blanket indemnification from the content its users post.
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>>381880
Should 4chan and all it's moderators go to jail because people have, are, and will continue to post CP on 4chan for the indefinite future?
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>>381891
4chan not having preemptive indemnification against CP does not imply that the mods should go to jail. The fact that the mods act in good faith to proactively remove and report illegal content is their indemnification. Giving that unconditionally is just pandering to dot-com special interests.
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>>381905
Giving 230 unconditionally created the entirety of the early internet because nobody who creates some dumb fucking fansite wants criminal liability over everything every chucklefuck once posted to it. I guarantee you there's criminal libel on 4chan right now that the mods aren't removing because nobody on staff gives one fuck about it.

Giving it CONDITIONALLY on content is government compulsion of speech and a violation of the First Amendment.
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>>381943
I never said anything about giving it conditionally. Keep your leaps of logic in your own head please.
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>>381946
You criticized giving it unconditionally, so I assumed you wanted to give it conditionally, the alternative being that you simply want it abolished entirely, which is so horrifyingly awful that I didn't think that a human being could advocate it.
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>>381952
That is not the alternative you moron. I'm really struggling to come up with an explanation that gets through. Repealing 230 does not mean conditional indemnification. It also does not mean no indemnification at all. You're trying to anticipate arguments that aren't there.
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>>381961
So you propose to remove the indemnification of 230 and replace it with:

- unconditional indemnification
- conditional indemnification
- no indemnification

Which of these are you proposing? Or is there some sort of magical alternative to these?
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WTF I like Nancy nao?
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>>381979
The current situation where nobody does anything.
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Pelosi. Says Section 230 was a 'gift'. Threatens to take it back from tech companies. Is a rep from California district in and around San Francisco.

Sounds like she forgot who sent her to Congress and who might just yank her back.
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>>381607
'Tech companies can censor whoever they like, whenever they like but have no responsibility for anything, ever' was not a sustainable situation. You need a top tier military to hold onto that kind of power, and they haven't got one.
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>>382051
4chan has that power, and last time I checked 4chan didn't have any sort of any military at all.
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>>381607
>It is a gift to them

No, you vile verminous cunt, the government does not _give_ the American people free speech, it's an inherent natural human right guaranteed by the fucking Constitution.
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>>382068
Companies have free speech with or without Section 230s. It's just that the lack of 230 makes it potentially very expensive to host other people's speech.
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>>382059
4chan has a large and extremely effective militia, it just so happens that its not your personal army, it fights of it's own free will and engages how, where and when it pleases.
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>>382078
4chan hasn't had a hacker worth shit in the last five years; Anonymous hasn't done shit lately and it moved off 4chan the better part of a decade ago anyway (because it turns out it's a really bad idea to coordinate hacks on a website that responds to subpoenas!) These days /g/ can barely figure out how to turn on a computer.
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>>382069

If communication companies (and the fact is that huge social media websites like Facebook and Twitter are defacto communication corporations) are held accountable for the speech of their users, then it is a blatant violation of the user's freedom of speech.

Your cell phone service provider is not responsible for your speech when using their service nor can they censor your speech, and the same should apply to Internet communication websites.
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>>382059
4chan is small. If it got to the size of facebook, do you really think governments would let it continue to work the way it does?
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>>381880
>While it's obvious Pelosi's just threatening onerous regulation if the tech sector doesn't censor sufficiently proactively for her liking,

To me that still sounds like we're fucked. Either the tech sector fucks us over thanks to govt threats or the us govt legally makes them fuck us over,
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>>381607

It sounds like she's mad at them for benefiting from the law as it was intended.
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>>381607
>Republicans: social media is censoring us, thats unfair, its infringement of free speach
>liberals: social media isnt a public platform, its privately owned
>liberals: Social media isnt censoring enough speech for us
>republicans: they are protected by Section 230 and can choose whats on their platform
Holy shit my mind is full of fuck our country is fucked with this type of leadership and the idiots who follow then
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So she's basically threatening tech companies to censor conservatives
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>>381607
I think several of you are missing the point
>Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act ... states “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”
>"I do think that for the privilege of 230, there has to be a bigger sense of responsibility on it. And it is not out of the question that that could be removed."

Basically by posting an article in news on 4chan from another site like techcrunch, means that techcrunch is "publisher or speaker." If Section 230 is removed then 4chan becomes treated as the "publisher or speaker" and needs to quote the source to avoid copyright infringement under fair use of the copyright act. However, the picture could also be a copyright violation. Now realize that this have been the debate as to why youtube does not get in trouble for copyright violations because youtube can claim the users posted the content even if it creates fake profiles to pretend the users posted.
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>>385212
For Socialist, what to do about these websites profiting from your free labor?
Its up to the supreme court to decide if we qualify as interns (youtube hero program asks us to replace a paid employee, by doing unpaid work by flagging content for censorship we may qualify as interns that youtube benefits from our labor). AOL already lost a similar law suit.

“Supreme Court in 1985, a company was ordered to pay minimum wage to its employers even though the employees didn’t want it” because it gave an “unfair advantage over its competitors.” http://archives.cjr.org/the_news_frontier/aol_settled_with_unpaid_volunt.php

The US department of labor for interns states, “4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees and on occasion the employer’s operations may actually be impeded.” http://www.gotovertime.com/cases/2004_05_17_05FLSA_NA_internship.pdf

FLSA states, “employees may not volunteer services to for-profit private sector employers.” https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/whd/flsa/docs/volunteers.asp
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>>382011

there's a lot the Dems offer from Net Neutrality to environmentalism that gets ignored due to tribalism caused by self-inflicted SJWisms as well as Republican efforts to use that as a wedge to distract people.
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>>385137

It is almost like very few people in government have actually beliefs and are often more concerned with what lines them and their supporters pockets, and what gives their "side" power in any form.



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