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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/us/politics/manafort-mueller-russia-inquiry.html

WASHINGTON — Of the few hints to emerge from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, about evidence of possible collusion between President Trump’s campaign and Russia, one of the most tantalizing surfaced almost in passing in a Washington courtroom last week.

Comments by one of Mr. Mueller’s lead prosecutors, disclosed in a transcript of a closed-door hearing, suggest that the special counsel continues to pursue at least one theory: that starting while Russia was taking steps to bolster Mr. Trump’s candidacy, people in his orbit were discussing deals to end a dispute over Russia’s incursions into Ukraine and possibly give Moscow relief from economic sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies.

The theory was offered almost as an aside by the prosecutor, Andrew Weissmann, during a discussion of contacts between Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and a longtime Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom investigators have linked to Russian intelligence.

A closer look at the transcript, released late Thursday, shows that the prosecutors have been keenly focused on discussions the two men had about a plan to end the conflict that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014. Persuading the United States to ease or end the American-led sanctions imposed to punish Moscow for its aggression has been a primary goal of Russian foreign policy.

According to the transcript, which was heavily redacted, Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik repeatedly communicated about a so-called peace plan for Ukraine starting in early August 2016, while Mr. Manafort was still running Mr. Trump’s campaign, and continuing into 2018, months after Mr. Manafort had been charged by the special counsel’s office with a litany of crimes related to his work in the country.
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The prosecutors claim that Mr. Manafort misled them about those talks and other interactions with Mr. Kilimnik.

Pressed by the judge at Monday’s hearing to say why Mr. Manafort’s alleged lies mattered, Mr. Weissmann gave a broad hint about the thrust of the investigation.

“This goes to the larger view of what we think is going on, and what we think is the motive here,” Mr. Weissmann said. “This goes, I think, very much to the heart of what the special counsel’s office is investigating.”

Mr. Weissmann did not elaborate. The hearing’s purpose was narrow — determining whether Mr. Manafort had breached his plea agreement by misleading the prosecutors about Mr. Kilimnik and other matters. Mr. Kilimnik was charged last June with conspiring with Mr. Manafort to obstruct justice by trying to shape the accounts of prospective witnesses in Mr. Manafort’s case.

Yet Mr. Weissmann’s cryptic comments suggest that the special counsel’s investigation — which Mr. Trump has sought to dismiss as a witch hunt and which the acting attorney general, Matthew G. Whitaker, has said will wrap up soon — is still pursuing the central question of whether there was some kind of deal between Russia and the Trump campaign.

To date, prosecutions by the special counsel have skirted that question. They have laid out Russia’s hacking, leaking and social media manipulation, most of it in favor of Mr. Trump. They have charged multiple Trump aides with lying, including the president’s first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, who admitted misleading the F.B.I. about his discussions with the Russian ambassador about sanctions.

Mr. Trump’s longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr. was indicted last month on charges of lying to Congress about his efforts to contact WikiLeaks, which released tens of thousands of Democratic emails stolen by the Russians.
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But the essential question of why the Kremlin bet so heavily on Mr. Trump, and whether President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had any indication that Mr. Trump would give him what he desired, has remained unresolved.

Senator Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, a Republican who is the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told CBS News on Thursday that, based on the evidence they have seen so far, the committee’s investigators “don’t have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia.”

But Mr. Weissmann’s remarks seem to suggest that for the special counsel, at least, that avenue of inquiry is still alive.

The sanctions have inflicted substantial pain on the Russian economy. As a candidate and a new president, Mr. Trump seemed skeptical that such punishment was necessary or effective.

“Trump’s unusual sympathy and receptivity to Putin and the Kremlin was evident throughout the campaign” and the first few months of his presidency, said John E. Herbst, a former United States ambassador to Ukraine. That pattern, he said, fueled the notion that Mr. Trump might seek a “grand bargain” that would end sanctions, possibly on terms deeply unfavorable to Ukraine.

The sanctions also limited business opportunities with Russia. Mr. Trump had long sought a marquee Trump Tower project in Moscow, and at least two aides were pursuing separate nuclear power projects that would have benefited from an end to the sanctions.

As Mr. Trump took office, some State Department officials described worrying inquiries that suggested the White House might be preparing to precipitously drop the sanctions. And various intermediaries floated proposals they said would end the sporadic combat in eastern Ukraine between Russian-funded separatist fighters and Ukrainian forces trying to hold back the loss of more territory.
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Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s longtime fixer, told The New York Times that he left a sealed envelope containing one such plan on Mr. Flynn’s White House desk.

Mr. Kilimnik, meanwhile, was trying to use his extensive ties to Mr. Manafort to advance another. It envisioned the return of Viktor F. Yanukovych, a pro-Russia politician who had risen to the presidency of Ukraine in 2010 with the help of Mr. Manafort, who was paid tens of millions of dollars for his efforts.

Mr. Yanukovych was forced from office by a popular uprising in 2014 and fled to Russia. Mr. Kilimnik wanted to resurrect him as a semiautonomous leader in eastern Ukraine, a division of the country fiercely opposed by most Ukrainians.

In a February 2017 interview with The Times, Mr. Kilimnik described Mr. Manafort as a possible negotiator for the deal. He said that Mr. Manafort had told him that “there is only one enemy — the chaos.”

“If there is a serious project that can bring peace to Ukraine, Manafort will be back,” Mr. Kilimnik said at the time.

The first discussion between Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik cited by the prosecutors took place on Aug. 2, 2016, at the Grand Havana Room in Manhattan, and also included Rick Gates, Mr. Manafort’s deputy on the Trump campaign and during his Ukraine work. Mr. Weissmann noted that Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates tried to avoid drawing attention at that meeting, leaving separately from Mr. Kilimnik.

“That meeting and what happened at that meeting is of significance to the special counsel,” Mr. Weissmann said at the hearing.

Mr. Manafort initially told prosecutors he had dismissed Mr. Kilimnik’s proposal out of hand, Mr. Weissmann said. In fact, according to the transcript, Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik talked about the proposal again in December 2016; in January 2017, when Mr. Kilimnik was in Washington for Mr. Trump’s inauguration; and again in Madrid the next month.
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Mr. Weissmann noted that those talks went forward despite the “enormous amount of attention” in the United States at the time to contacts between Russians and Trump associates.

Mr. Manafort’s lawyer, Richard Westling, suggested the discussions were not all that memorable to Mr. Manafort because he had minimal interest in advancing Mr. Kilimnik’s plan. Although the two men revisited the proposal after Mr. Trump’s election, he said, “there is no real follow through.”

Mr. Westling said it was not the only such plan afloat — nor was it the only one proposed by Mr. Kilimnik, who has denied having ties to Russian intelligence. Kevin Downing, another lawyer for Mr. Manafort, argued that suspicions about Mr. Kilimnik’s communications were “nonsense” because “the sanctions were going to continue against Russia” whether or not Mr. Trump was elected.

What Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik discussed about the Russia-Ukraine conflict is not all that concerned prosecutors. Another issue is a directive from Mr. Manafort to Mr. Gates to turn over Trump campaign polling data to Mr. Kilimnik in the midst of the presidential race.

The transcript suggests that Mr. Manafort claims that he wanted only public data transferred. But Mr. Weissmann told the judge that the question of whether any American, wittingly or unwittingly, engaged with Russians who were interfering in the election relates to “the core” of the special counsel’s inquiry.

Mr. Manafort’s allies argue that prosecutors have not proved that Mr. Kilimnik was linked to Russian intelligence, and have suggested that he interacted with the United States Embassy in Kiev. They noted that he traveled freely to the United States and had communications with the State Department.

But Judge Amy Berman Jackson seemed to agree with prosecutors that whether Mr. Manafort lied about his contacts with Mr. Kilimnik was important, saying at one point, “I am, actually, particularly concerned about this particular alleged false statement.”
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Surely this isn't and won't end like mueller's anthrax investigation, of the Atlanta Olympic bomber investigation.
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During the hearing, prosecutors suggested that Mr. Manafort was to be a spokesman in the United States, apparently for Mr. Kilimnik’s plan to divide Ukraine.

“If he were the spokesperson, and denominated as such within the United States,” Mr. Weissmann said, “he would also have access to senior people.” He then broke off, saying, “That’s as far as I can go.”

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tl;dr version


Mueller has figured out that Russia helped Trump and meddled in the election because Trump would act lightly on the Russian invasion of Ukraine and lift sanctions. Both of which Trump did.
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>>355044
So just to clarify, zero evidence of any wrongdoings.
Thanks champ
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>>355047
Except for the attack the US election by the Russians, and how Trump and all his people are neck deep in Russians, and how Mueller has now proven a motive for why Trump conspired with the Russians and their attack.

>Pay no attention to the man colluding behind the curtain!
Tick tick tick.
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>>355051
>the attack the U.S. election by the Russians
[Citation needed]
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>>355058
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Russian+interference+in+the+2016+United+States+elections
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>>355060
>lmgtfy.com
Lol nigga what?
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>>355051
You mean when they got people to change their names to black victims of police brutality in Pokemon Go and held a contest capture the most gyms near polling places?
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>TREASON, FASCISM DEFEATED, TICK TOCK TICK TOCK RUSSIA MUH RUSSSISIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>Literally nothing after two years and counting.
>>355051
>>Pay no attention to the man colluding behind the curtain!
Oh you mean Hillary and Saudi Arabia. Oh right, that's the kind of collusion we support. My mistake.

This is becoming sad, now. When the probe comes back in a few weeks and he's still in office, are you going to livestream yourself doing a flip off an overpass? It's the only way I can imagine anyone getting any kind of amusement from your miserable existence.
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reminder not to reply to the tranny discorder.
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>>355063
>Demand to be spoonfed
>Get spoonfed
LOL wut?

>>355065
>>355064
Damage control
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>>355069
>Damage control
>When you're desperately trying to keep your shit opinion thread bumped in a sea of actual news.
Can't wait for two weeks. Two weeks until you and your retarded tagalongs are banished forever in a sea of red wojacks. Be sure to start the first in the wave with "NOOOOO IT WAS HER TURN".
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>>355074
>Wah, anything I don't like is opinion
Pathetic.
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>>355069
>damage control
What? Are you trying to downplay the tremendous impact those insidious Russians had by using Pokemon Go to spread their vile, subversion?
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>>355069
So You got nothing..okay
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>>355076
I'm glad you admit that the Trump campaign and Russian conspired because they coordinated their efforts to depress voter turn out by targeting the same specific groups.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/russia-favored-trump-targeted-african-americans-election-meddling-reports-say-n948731
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/shared-russia-trump-focus-depressing-black-votes/578302/

>INB4 you create a strawman with pokemon and Trump
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>>355087
>Trump
But anon, Hillary was the one who told people to Pokemon Go to the polls
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>>355089
The russians hacked her twitter
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>>355089
Strawman
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>>355091
She said it at a rally.

https://youtu.be/4LtTpZpGE6c

>>355092
I'm not quite sure you know what that word means.
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This isn't totally unprecedented; Nixon tried something similar with the Vietnamese, discouraging them from negotiations during the campaign to weaken Johnson's position.

The main difference is that the forces conspired with took a much greater effort to assist their chosen candidate - the US election system had never before and hopefully never will again see such an influx of foreign money and disinformation as it did in 2016.

Nixon eventually got caught for something else. Who here is going to argue that a president who engages in such skullduggery deserves the office?
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>>355093
the russians hacked her teleprompter
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>>355094
https://maplight.org/story/foreign-lobbyists-contributed-more-than-4-5-million-to-candidates-in-2016-elections/
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>>355038
https://www.nicepng.com/png/full/193-1931313_but-shes-14-you-sicko-sickos-ha-ha.png
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This whole thread is shit. You have to wait till Mueller comes out with his report. Every thing is bullshit if it doesn't come out of Muller's team.
It's either going to be

Trump's innocent on all chargers.
Trump's guilty of white collar crimes.
Trump's guilty of actually working with the Russians in a capacity aka TREASON

And let me tell you if it's the first or the second I'd be ok with it since he's just be a modern day Nixon. But if it's the third and he's a real traitor to the republic for which we stand? That man might actually hang.
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>>355093
Pokemon don't go to the polls, Mrs. President. They are not real so they can't go anywhere, especially to the polls.
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>>355104
The third will mean we elected a Russian spy, or at the very least someone who answers to the Kremlin. Even if it's for financial reasons, that's still the same thing. And yeah that will pretty much mean democracy is over.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/russian-disinformation-teams-targeted-robert-s-mueller-iii-says-report-prepared-for-senate/2018/12/17/0e0047f6-0230-11e9-8186-4ec26a485713_story.html

>The Russian operatives often spread jokes to undermine the investigations into their disinformation campaign, the researchers found. One showed Democrat Hillary Clinton saying, “Everyone I don’t like is A Russian Hacker.” Another showed a woman in a car talking to a police officer, with the caption, “IT’S NOT MY FAULT OFFICER, THE RUSSIANS HACKED MY SPEEDOMETER.”
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>>355108
>America is now the country trying to shut down jokes from Russia
this timeline is too silly
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>>355116
Well Trump is a joke to the world.
Good one Putin.
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>Th-th-th-the investigation will be done in a month...
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/429499-prosecutors-make-secret-filing-in-case-linked-to-mueller
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The watergate investigation took a long time
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any day now
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>>355065
>Oh you mean Hillary and Saudi Arabia.
Imagine running this angle when right now Trump is swallowing gallons of Saudi semen while covering their murder of Khashoggi
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>>355257
Nobody outside of your bubble gives a shit that a Saudi columnist for the WaPo was liquified by his countrymen in Turkey. Keep screeching though.
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>>355117
Says who?
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>>355258
wouldn't it be terrible if that happened to many more leftist journalists
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>>355258
>Nobody
By nobody you mean you. And even you are pretending not to care about the topic when in fact you have an opinion about it.

>Nobody outside of your bubble gives a shit
That's not true. In fact it's the opposite. Most of the civilized people care about it. That's why there have been some consequences for Saudi-Arabia worldwide. And YOU live in some kind of bubble, where "nobody cares." But keep screeching "LALALALALA NOBODY CARES!!!1"

Different btw.
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>>355038
>>355039
>>355040
>>355041
>>355042
>>355044
>recycling old news stories with no new update other than a fresh coat of propagandistic spin to try and distract people from the various DNC meltdowns brought on by the Gov/LtGov of Virginia and AOC's Green New 'Durr'
Very poor damage control. Sad. Many such cases!

>>355269
>By nobody you mean you.
No he means nobody. And he right.

Maybe if journalists would stop working with the CIA, they wouldn't in turn get treated like spooks by foreign governments.

Oh well, down the memory hole with everything else!
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Who is this autistic Mueller obsessed faggot that thinks no evidence for a claim means it must be true cause drumpf? He is singlehandedly trying to ruin this board with this shitposting.
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>>355258
>Nobody outside of your bubble
Oh the irony
Even Republicans are outraged, you need to leave your echo chamber once in a while
Nice cope
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>>355038
What's the big deal? So what if his campaign manager was conspiring with Russia to trade sanctions relief over Ukraine for help with winning the election using hacking and internet propaganda? It's not like the campaign manager is in anyway representative of the Trump campaign, he's practically just a coffee boy and Trump probably never even met him and also has anyone looked at all the collusion the democrats did with Russia? What's with the double standard here?
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>>355272
>Stop ignoring our manufactured controversies we had made up to distract from Trump's crimes!

Also Trump just went dictator and announced he's going to be ignoring the law over the Khaashoggi report, watch him do that more
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>>355325
>tfw the senate is compromised by russians too
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>>355326
Have you seen how McConell and the Republicans are acting.
It looks like Mueller is going to do a mass indictment like Q said. Only it's going to be the Republicans.

OH NO indeed,
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Republicans investigated themselves and found no direct evidence of collusion
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>>355327
any day now lmao
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>>355362
Obsessed.
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>>355327
Imagine spending years and countless millions to not find nearly as much condemning information as compared to what was literally handed to you in Hillary's emails.

Pathetic and transparent.
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>>355380
>But spending literally two years shitting in the /news/ board with "TICK TOCK TICK TOCK" and TIMES UP IVAN" expecting this explosive impeachment an public execution
>That's not obsessed
Point to the doll where the investigation raped the last two years of your life.
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>>355385
>>355387
See
>>355332
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>>355332
>>355390
Vice Chairman Warner is an active participant in the investigation and has not contradicted the Republicans on the committee. Unlike in the case of the House, the Senate Intelligence Committee plans to release a single report signed by both its Republican and Democratic members.

This is the part where you pull a Trump and claim that the committee is actually just fifteen Republicans.
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>>355390
so your best argument at this point is that you haven't been directly proven wrong yet, and you might find some evidence at some point in the future?
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>>355390
Half of the investigation committee is democrat. As is almost half of the senate. Don't let facts stop you, though. You have a meltdown for us to laugh at.

Are you going to film yourself doing that flip?
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>>355398
>>355397
>>355395
>The /pol/ppet damage control trio shows up again
Or is it just a same fag since they're all 2 minutes apart?
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>>355451
I'm starting to think you're materially incapable of responding to the contents of posts instead of making accusations at the posters.
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>>355453
Starting?
That was obvious from day one.
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>>355451
Maybe they want you to film yourself doing that flip, faggot.
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>>355453
>>355456
>>355457
>Being this butthurt
Do you at least get paid in hotpockets?
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>>355395
Actually Barr unilaterally came out and made the announcement so it should be taken with a massive grain of salt or ignored.
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>>355636
>Actually Barr unilaterally came out and made the announcement so it should be taken with a massive grain of salt or ignored.
If Barr unilaterally came out and lied about the investigation you'd think that the Democrats on the committee would, you know, fucking say something.
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>>355707
They did. Did you even read the article? It clearly says that he disagreed with Burr.
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>>355708
He commented, but he never actually said that Barr was wrong.
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>>355362
lol
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>>355362
lol, is this you >>352475 ?
your posts are great
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-judge-finds-paul-manafort-lied-to-mueller-probe-about-contacts-with-russian-aide/2019/02/13/c5209f7a-2f2c-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html


Judge agrees with Mueller that Manafort lied about his russian contacts.
Conspiracy is still on the menu losers.
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>>355992
this time there'll be evidence of collusion for sure
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>>356002
But there is so much evidence already. The problem is each time new evidence comes to light MAGAshitters move the goalposts and say "that's not evidence". It fucking is.
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>>356019
can you point us to the evidence that mueller has released in a plea or indictment that shows that a member of the trump campaign engaged a quid pro quo exchange with a russian agent (ie, engaged in or promised a transaction to provide something for something)
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>>356019
>so much evidence already.
there's nothing.

It's taken you faggots 2 years and millions of tax payer dollars TO FIND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And it's obvious it's nothing because since the MSM has been reporting on every scrap of bullshit for the last 3 years, if they had anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, everyone would have already heard about it.

It's pathetically obvious to everyone.
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>>356002
That's actually it, he lied about his contacts when he was conspiring with the Russians.
Judge agreed with Mueller and Manafort is going to rot the rest of his life in jail unless Trump goes full dictator and pardons him.
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>>356021
nice try trumptard
Mueller's holding on to that until his investigation is done
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>>356089
>there's evidence, you just can't see it yet
Sooner or later you'll have to accept that there is literally nothing.
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>>356119
>you'll have to accept
unlikely. to a godless liberal there is no truth and nothing to accept. they'll just move onto the next mass delusion, probably that mueller was an alien all along
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>>356139
A group that believes in pizzagate and gay frogs is going to accuse anyone of mass delusion. Fucking please.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-25th-amendment.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

>WASHINGTON — Andrew G. McCabe, the former deputy F.B.I. director, said in an interview aired on Thursday that top Justice Department officials were so alarmed by President Trump’s decision in May 2017 to fire James B. Comey, the bureau’s director, that they discussed whether to recruit cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office.
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>>356159
>gay frogs
It's real. You're the one living in delusion.
https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100301151927.htm
https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/
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>>355051
his name was seth rich
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>>355327
>q
opinion discarded
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>>356173
So all those rumors about Rosenstein thinking about article 25 were true.

At some point we're going to realize that firing Comey was probably the single most foolish thing Trump could have done during his entire adminiatration.
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>>356198
And his parents sued Fox News for defamation for lying about his son to push their political agenda.
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>>356173
>>356212
inb4
>it was a conspiracy by the deep-state/haters/Clintons to take over
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>>356212
And they're right to think Trump is a Russian agent given the fact he fired Comey specifically to kill the Russian investigation and then the very next day Trump invited two of Russian's top spies to the Oval office, banned America media from the room, and then bragged to them he squashed the investigation while leaking classified intelligence to them.

Of course the FBI would open a counter-intelligence probe into Trump for that.
Also it explains why Trump was specifically pissed and vindictive against McCabe.
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>>355325
>Burr
>Not a liar
Pick one.
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1096208280408469505
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>>356212
>firing Comey was probably the single most foolish thing Trump could have done during his entire adminiatration.
On the contrary- it exposed actual evidence of a conspiracy against Trump by McCabe and Rosenstein.

>>356239
>he fired Comey specifically to kill the Russian investigation
This has been debunked 10000000000 times, by Comey himself even. Stop lying.

>Also it explains why Trump was specifically pissed and vindictive against McCabe.
Because both McCabe and Rosenstein were actively working on a coup against the president, and then lied about it.
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>>356239
Lay off the koolaid
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>>356675
There is nothing wrong in that post.

Also Democrats are looking into what Trump's daughter wife knew and when did she know it.
https://www.axios.com/ivanka-trump-house-democrats-russia-investigation-441dce7d-3e02-4148-add4-843763ae0e4e.html
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>>355038
I think the most amusing part of this recent election cycle is reaction from the left. I noticed that an old word become popular again "demagogue" as if Trump were something new and different. As if all of the Democrats weren't doing the exact same thing. They wanted to claim some sort of moral high ground, but then do the exact same thing they are railing against. Trump is a liar they say, as they purposely mislead with titles like your own.

Instead of focusing on truth and the actual things wrong with Trump's policies, they decided to exactly what he was doing instead, but claim at they same time they weren't.'

The absolute hypocrisy and patheticness of the situation is most enjoyable. Of course, I don't think Trump is a good president, but not really much different from previous presidents. I would say he is most comparable to 90's Bill Clinton. I'm convinced at this point that Democrats are so misinformed about policies and many times favor policies that are even worse than Trump's, that they cannot even make a correct diagnosis so they have to lie.

It's really depressing actually, we have two terrible party's running our government. Of course, the final nail in the coffin will come from Democrats, but the Republican's aren't really helping.
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>>356891
>There is nothing wrong in that post.
The whole post was wrong. Cry more.
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>>356904
Honestly I would argue it is not so much the politicians themselves are illl informed, although that is certainly a possibility, but more that they need to appeal to an increasingly ill informed populace for votes. It doesn't matter how good or bad the position is anymore, just that you can sell it to the lowest common denominator for votes
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>>356239
>then the very next day Trump invited two of Russian's top spies to the Oval office, banned America media from the room, and then bragged to them he squashed the investigation while leaking classified intelligence to them
i believe his words were that canning comey relieved pressure from him. it would relieve pressure from me too by firing someone who was running a partisan investigation against me.
also lets hear the state secrets that every knows now, im interested, surely you can provide a source with these state secrets listed out
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>>356904
I think the most amusing part is watching everyone around Trump getting indicted and sent to jail while republicans swear to God and Satan that both sides are the same.
How many people connected to Obama were sent to jail again? He was POTUS for 8 years, sure there were lots of indictments, right?
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>>356969
Hillary would have gone to jail for "gross negligence" (Comey's exact words, also, coincidentally, the exact words in the classified information statute) if her friends at the FBI hadn't worked very hard to get her off.

The technician who wiped Clinton's server with BleachBit lied to the FBI but, since he wasn't a Republican, he was given absolute immunity instead of being prosecuted for lying to the FBI.

Really activates your almonds.
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>>356906
>I AM SILLY
I see the /pol/ppets are sending their best and brightest again.
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>>356973
Would Hillary declare national emergency to make college free? I can't see alternative timelines like you so please tell me.
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>>356977
Fine, I'll rewrite my post without any predictions.

Hillary's actions were described by Comey as "gross negligence," which are the exact words in the classified information statute that the DoJ refused to prosecute her for. Also, the technician who wiped Clinton's server with BleachBit lied to the FBI, but was given absolute immunity instead of being prosecuted for lying to the FBI.

Really activates your almonds.
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>>356978
That's because being stupid does not equal criminal intent. Given the mad on the Republicans have for Clinton, if she did commit a crime they would have gone all in to refer and prosecuted her.
They didn't because they couldn't.

Trump's people are on the other hand are committing crime after crime and we haven't seen more prosecutions because the Republicans are running cover ups to protect them.
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>>356977
What the fuckare you talking about these aren't alternate timelines these are known facts
Her sysadmin lied but he was given immunity
The word engrossed negligent in the final report which would have made her guilty of a crime was changed by her friends at the FBI
Are you just trying to be dumb
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>>356984
>That's because being stupid does not equal criminal intent.
Inventing a "criminal intent" requirement out of thin air where none exists is not impartial enforcement of the law.

>They didn't because they couldn't.
It is in fact impossible to prosecute Combetta because the government has granted him immunity from prosecution, which no later administration can take away.
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>>356993
It if really mattered enough to a Republican like Comey not to charge Clinton, so it matters. They could have prosecuted other people involved, but what happened? A giant nothing burger.

Meanwhile Trump conspiring with the Russians and all his corrupt acts in office have a plethora of criminal activity. Look at all the people on his campaign who have not only been prosecuted, but plead guilty. Can you imagine all the people who are going to go down within the Administration when this is done? Trump's administration might get close to Reagan in terms of prosecutions.
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>>356997
>They could have prosecuted other people involved, but what happened? A giant nothing burger.
When the people who have committed crimes have been granted immunity, there's not very much left to do. Similarly, if Mueller had given blanket immunity to everyone who had ever lied to the FBI about the Russian investigation, a future Democratic president would be barred from prosecuting Flynn or Gates or anyone else.

>Can you imagine all the people who are going to go down within the Administration when this is done?
The investigation may not be finishing up like some people say it is, but it's certainly not "just getting started."
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>>357000
The idea of granting immunity is so that turn on people higher up than them to get a bigger target, the fact that Republicans failed to get anyone shows what a giant waste of time it was.
Also, no one has gotten blanket immunity in the case of Trump's crimes, just plead bargains.
Furthermore Democrats learned for the mismanagement of Iran Contra where they let Reagan slip from their fingers, so they aren't going to be careless with granted immunity this time around.

It is just getting started since Trump has enjoyed 2 years of having congressional Republicans run obstruction for him. Barr's stunt just proved Senate Republicans can't be trusted either.
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>>357005
>The idea of granting immunity is so that turn on people higher up than them to get a bigger target,
Under this logic, Mueller could have given all of Trump's campaign officials immunity in order to gather evidence against Trump, the same way Comey did with Hillary. But he didn't.

>Also, no one has gotten blanket immunity in the case of Trump's crimes, just plead bargains.
Pretty much fucking everyone gets plea bargains, El Chapo could have taken a plea if he wanted. Something like 95% of people charged with anything take a plea. Comparing plea bargains (offered to pretty much everyone who has committed a crime) to immunity (which is most certainly not) is idiotic.
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>>357007
Your logic is clearly flawed, he gave them plead deals, not immunity, they're still prosecuted and plead guilty. Muller is tagging and bagging all of Trump's people closing in him. No wonder Trump is freaking out.
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>>357011
So why did all of the people who worked for Hillary get immunity for their lies and the people who worked for Trump didn't?
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>>357013
Because Republicans are stupid.
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>>357016
What a convincing explanation.
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>>357017
>Republicans gave immunity to everyone while moving up the chain
No prosecutions
>Mueller didn't grant immunity while moving up the chain
prosecutions

Republicans confirmed for dum dums.
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>>357020
>Republicans
Truly, James "all who believe in this country's values must vote for Democrats" Comey and Peter "we'll stop Trump" Strzok were hardcore Republicans and that's why they let Hillary off the hook. It all makes sense now.
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>>357020
That implies they're trying to win, most of them are professional losers. They'll only fight for real when there's a war or tax cut on offer, all other issues they want to let the dems win while pretending to fight just enough to swindle their voters.
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>>357022
Registered Republican, must be part of Q's plan
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http://www.kplctv.com/2019/02/15/trump-lawyers-gave-false-info-hush-money-stormy-daniels-house-oversight-committee-chairman-says/
Speaking of Trump's crimes. Looks like we got some new ones from his other lawyers.
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>>356992
If you are so obsessed with /pol/ and how they feel, why not just go there?
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>>357028
Why does it matter how someone registers? They can still have friends who are part of either party who they cover for. Just because someone is registered for one party doesn't lock then into some partisan hivemind
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>>357097
It means they're Republicans, which only proves they're really bad at their job if it's politically prosecute people.
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>>357099
And? They can still vote for whoever they want in the national elections. They can still have friends who are Democrats that they want to protect. They can still hate people who happen to be Republicans. I don't really see why someone's registration status, which really only matters in the case of closed primaries, would is even worth mentioning. Especially when Comey declared himself "unaffiliated" during the 2016 election.

Can't find a source on Strzok though, so if you have one I would love to see it

https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/what-party-is-james-comey-registered-as-225223
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WE HAVE LIVE EVIDENCE!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-stone-wikileaks/mueller-says-searches-yielded-evidence-of-stone-wikileaks-communications-idUSKCN1Q502Z?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reuters+Politics+News%29
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>>357271
i thought we all knew that the campaign communicated at wikileaks?
they already released details of twitter pm's
and at this point in time wikileaks wasnt identified as working with russians, so its not like anyone tried colluding with russia
they were really just under the impression they were communicating with a journalistic entity known for leaks
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>>356992
Not really 2 out 3 investigations have proven there was no collusion. Mueller will prove the same.

I can't wait for your spin.
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>>357288
Corsi told Stone that hackers were behind the email theft and they knew it was coming. Afterwards, they promoted the conspiracy theory that Seth Rich was behind the Podesta leaks.
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>>357315
>Not really 2 out 3 investigations have proven there was no collusion
>People who are part of the party that committed crimes exonerate themselves.
LOL
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>>357365
More collusion
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>>357365
>Corsi told Stone that hackers were behind the email theft and they knew it was coming.
By "hackers", Corsi was referring to Seth Rich. What Seth did was colloquially described as hacking by everybody, including people like KimDotCom and Assange.

>Afterwards, they promoted the conspiracy theory that Seth Rich was behind the Podesta leaks
Because it /was/ Seth Rich. You refusing to believe it doesn't not make it so.

Your narrative failed. Die mad about it.
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>>357680
Wait. Seth Rich is a hacker now? It was GRU behind the hacking of the DNC you dipshit. Fuck off with your retarded conspiracy theory.
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>>357689
>It was GRU behind the hacking of the DNC you dipshit.
Citation needed
>Fuck off with your retarded conspiracy theory.
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF

>Seth rich is a conspiracy but PUTIN LITERALLY PARADROPPING INTO HILLARY'S EMAILS AND STEALING THEM ISN'T STOP TELLING ME THAT IT'S A CONSPIRACY I JUST NEED TO FIND THE PROOFS
My god this is pure, pure delusion. You're looking at the evidence, investigations, and reports that Russia was probably not behind this and Wikileaks was instead given the information by an insider and your response is "SHUT UP IT WAS RUSSIA I KNOW IT IN MY HEART"
Was Seth Rich that insider? who knows. Are you going to keep whining like a baby because you've convinced yourself that Russia is behind all the problems in government?
Yep.
I bet you're going to reply to this with more conspiracy theory nonsense.
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>>357691
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
Source from the Department of Justice.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/17/trump-russia-collusion-adam-schiff-1173434
Congress is now saying Trump colluded with the Russians.
Whoopsie
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>>357705
that says hillarys emails tho not dnc
we all know it was russians that hacked podesta
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>>357799
well yeah, their democrats and their not on the intel committee they've been saying trump colluded with the russians for 2 years now
>pointing to communications between Russia and Donald Trump Jr. and former Trump aides George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn.
unless
yeah im glad the russians had emails on hillary tho but really george shouldnt have lied about knowing that
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>>357705
>>357799
>>357689
Not gonna lie, former democratic voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let Mike Pence get the nuclear codes.
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>>357802
>well yeah, their democrats and their not on the intel committee
>House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff said Sunday that there is ample evidence Donald Trump’s presidential campaign colluded with Russia.
>well yeah, their democrats and their not on the intel committee
LOL desperation
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>>357803
Lol it's still funny
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>>356186
3 articles referencing one study that has not had its results duplicated, or even the methodology made public iirc.
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>>357799
>House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff said Sunday that there is ample evidence Donald Trump’s presidential campaign colluded with Russia.
If the evidence is in plain sight, why didn't the senate find anything?
Oh right, because he's not part of the investigation committee and is merely speculating about what he thinks they should be seeing.

Since he's not part of any investigation commitee, his opinion is worthless. You may as well post a shitpost on twitter.

Oh right, we know the actual reason is that the Senate is bought and paid for by Russia and we're living on the cusp of Red Dawn, got it. Oh by the way don't mention that congress is 100% at fault for not fielding their own, instead just insist that Ivan is behind everything because that's what sane people do.
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>>357806
>>House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff said Sunday that there is ample evidence Donald Trump’s presidential campaign colluded with Russia.
If there's ample evidence, where was he during the Senate investigation? Oh right he's just saying this to fool retards like you.

Mueller report soon, after two actual investigations (not washed up retards trying to save their careers) clear him of wrongdoing, will you admit it then or will you continue to hang onto the equivalent of twitter shitposts?
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>>355038

You shills don't even attempt to hide your agenda
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>>357890
Says the original shills.
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>>357888
>>357887
Because Barr is running cover for Trump duh, notice how he came out and said all this unilaterally?
Meanwhile all Nunes can do on the House side is grumble since he was ousted from power and might be prosecuted for his role in obstructing justice.
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>>357887
Fuck Russia and fuck you Neville Chamberlain Jr.
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https://www.apnews.com/49b5df84810a4671ac9b92a673b44a4d
Trump always projects in these sorts of attacks, so he knows he committed treason.
Walls are closing in.
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>>358048
>Walls are closing in.
yeah i agree, its only a matter of time before those mexicans will need to bring a ladder thru the desert if they want to cross illegally
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>>358048
I'd call this idle speculation if two years of watching him backpedal on goddamn everything didn't bear it out.
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>>358123
Except he has been backpeddling for two years straight. Look at hm trying to distract now and instead of going 'no, YOU'RE the puppet!' It's now 'no, YOU'RE the collusion!'

Also McCabe saying Trump committed crimes and he turned over all his information to Mueller.
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>>355269
Not the same guy, and I agree. I don’t care what happened to Kashoggi. Why should I?
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>>355104
I'm rolling 1 or 2. Basically anything that lets Trump off with a pardon and show that US #1. The alternative is too embarrassing for the political machine to take.
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>>358169
Give Trump's consistent behavior towards Russian it's looking more and more to be #3.
It could have started as #2, but his constant attempts to cover it up and make it look like it's just nice relations with Russia have shifted it #3.

The fact he destroys any documentation of his meetings with Putin after he already attempts to hide having them, and we just learned he trust's Putin's word over his own intelligence community is damning.
If this were Obama he'd already be in a supermax.
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And Stone is back in court for threatening the judge overseeing his trial.
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How does this shit still get posted and laughed at?

The collusion meme is long dead.
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>>358213
You’re an idiot then the facts shows the collusion nonsense is not even close to being true, the senate, house and fbi all agree.
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>>355269
>That's not true. In fact it's the opposite. Most of the civilized people care about it.
No nobody cares about what happened to him. Now facts are coming out that he indeed was most likely spying.
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/pol/ is in full Trump shill mode today, they now say that all media is liberal now.
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>>358712
Wrong on all 3 counts.

Speaking of the FBI, it's just reported that Trump has obstructed justice in multiple investigations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/trump-investigations.html

Trump asked matthew whitaker, a man who Trump specifically installed to obstruct investigations to do something so illegal that even Whitaker said 'I can't do that.'



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