https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html>TL;DR Paul Manafort is accused of turning over campaign polling data - a Thing of Value usually considered the property of political campaigns - to Konstantin Kilimnik, an agent of Russian Intelligence, and then lying about it to federal prosecutors. His defense team accidentally disclosed this by incorrectly redacting a court filing unsealed Tuesday.Full article forthcoming. Fuck anime OPs this is important.
>>336939WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort shared Trump campaign polling data with an associate tied to Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign, prosecutors alleged, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday.The accusations came to light in a document filed by Mr. Manafort’s defense lawyers that was supposed to be partly blacked out but contained a formatting error that accidentally revealed the information.Prosecutors for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, broke off a plea agreement with Mr. Manafort in November, accusing him of repeatedly lying to them. The details of their accusations have been kept largely secret until now.In one portion of the filing that Mr. Manafort’s lawyers tried to redact, they instead also revealed that Mr. Manafort “may have discussed a Ukraine peace plan” with the Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, “on more than one occasion.”Investigators have been questioning witnesses about whether Russia tried to influence the Trump administration to broker a resolution to hostilities between Russia and Ukraine. Various “peace plans” were proposed, including at least one that called for the lifting of American sanctions against Russia. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik had worked closely together for years on behalf of Russia-aligned Ukrainian interests.Prosecutors have also accused Mr. Manafort of misleading them about his contacts with senior administration officials, about a payment from a pro-Trump political action committee made to cover his legal expenses, and about how he and Mr. Kilimnik tried to influence the testimony of witnesses to ward off criminal charges.
>>336941In their filing, Mr. Manafort’s defense lawyers said that Mr. Manafort never intentionally misled federal authorities. Instead, they blamed a faulty memory, lack of access to his own records and illness for his mistakes, saying their client has gout, depression and anxiety.But they said that they would not seek a hearing to challenge the prosecutors’ assertions Mr. Manafort lied, a decision that brings Mr. Manafort one step closer to being sentenced for his crimes. He was convicted last year of 10 felonies including conspiracy to obstruct justice and failure to disclose years of lobbying work for pro-Russia oligarchs in Ukraine.The decision not to seek a hearing reflected the dearth of legal choices for Mr. Manafort, 69, who led Mr. Trump’s campaign during a crucial period in mid-2016, then became a prime target of Mr. Mueller’s team. One prosecution in Northern Virginia resulted in his jury conviction in August for bank fraud, tax fraud and other financial crimes. A second led to his guilty plea in September on two conspiracy charges.He agreed then to assist federal prosecutors in any matter they deemed of interest, including the special counsel’s investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election and the Trump campaign. He met 12 times with prosecutors or investigators from the special counsel’s team and from other offices, traveling from a detention center in suburban Washington where he has been held in solitary confinement since June.
>>336942The plea agreement gives the prosecutors the power to almost unilaterally decide whether Mr. Manafort has violated it. Unless Mr. Manafort can show they acted in bad faith — a high bar — their judgment stands. The prosecutors could also decide to file new charges against Mr. Manafort for lying to them, but do not plan to do so, according to the defense lawyers’ filing, unsealed Tuesday.“They have him so deeply in the soup here that what both sides are almost saying is that this doesn’t matter,” said Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law School professor.The new filing came one month after Judge Amy Berman Jackson said in Federal District Court in Washington that she needed to know more about the prosecutors’ latest accusations against Mr. Manafort before she sentenced him on two conspiracy charges, which carry a maximum penalty of five years each. Judge T.S. Ellis III in Northern Virginia will sentence him for the other eight felonies.>yes, this is collusion. Yes, it's a crime. And yes, he did it acting as the chairman of the Trump Campaign.
No wonder Trump went nuclear
changes nothing, really. Trump still has the unwavering support of the top 10%, the evangelicals, farmers on the dole and the dumb. that's a hefty base.
>collusion is a crime outside of anti trust law
>>336958Collusion might not be a crime, but conspiracy is.
>>336963Oh, bad news for mueller then eh?I am glad the internet got rid of that tinfoil nut job Alex Jones and kept you around.
>Polling data>In other words, literally fucking nothing>Twonald Droomft will surely be imbleached any day now biased report #8948067405983423423449>Hillary_Rocking_Chair_In_Asylum.jpg
I can't wait for this shit to be finally fucking over I need to go home and I missed my bus!
>>336976As they say, don't eat the cake until your goose is cooked.
>>336976ive heard you shouldnt flaunt your chickens before they attach
>>336976you normally cant have your cake and beat it too
>>336958>>336987>doesn't even bother to argue no collusion anymore>b...b...but collusion isn't a crimeGod damn, I remember when the goalposts was "no contacts with Russia," not "well we only shared polling data with them in order to help them more efficiently disseminate that stolen information that we knew they had."Remember when Sarah Sanders said if you're making accusations against the FBI that means you're losing? Well how about when you're attacking the people who found out that you cooperated with a KGB agent to subvert American democracy?#somuchwinningyoullbetiredofit
Who cares? This is a witch hunt. I mean what head of a campaign hasn't been giving progress updates to Russian intelligence. This is totally normal
>>337018>Who cares? This is a witch hunt.Way to conflict yourself in just 2 short sentences. And if you don't care, what are you doing ITT? Fuck off then.
We got em now...
>>337005Who has been charged with "contact with Russia"?Also can you show where in our legal system "contact with Russia" is a crime?Seems someone is certainly moving the goal posts.Mueller is a retard that has a history of soiling most cases he touches. He has been caught withholding exculpatory evidence countless times.
>>337018Of course there is zero evidence of your claim. But yes please continue
>>337025you mean other than the court filings that provide that evidence? Idk what else you could really want if that shit doesn't satisfy you. At that point you're literally in crazy conspiracy land saying that both the government and manafort are both conspiring to frame manafort or something, I mean it just gets too insane for me to even guess at how that thought process goes.
>>337028Oh a court filing..wow that is am important piece of paperYeah cause the prosecutors in this case are super ethical and totally not DNC agents.Come back when you have some proof faggot
>>337028To be fair a prosecutor's court filing is simply an unsubstantiated opinion. Prosecutors court filings also said OJ killed Nicole and Zimmerman murdered trayvon
>>337033yup, crazy conspiracy land it is
>>337035Did you miss the part where Manafort isn't contesting the assertions they're making though?
>>337028>court filings>providing evidence
>>337042Yeah, that's crazy talk! I mean how else do you submit evidence to a court of law?!
>>337039It's all they've got left besides burying their heads in the sand.We have here a court of law actually considering the idea that a successful presidential campaign exchanged valuable intelligence with foreign powers seeking to damage the Democratic process. There isn't a lot of room for error there.
>>337023Where do I say contact with Russia is a crime? I just said that was a goalpost that was set up:>Hope Hicks: “It never happened, there was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-russia-timeline-campaign-denialsThe only goalpost I care about is "Did the President cooperate with our #1 geopolitical enemy to help rig the election." And the answer is yes. Manafort doing this is proof of it, unless you want to claim that giving someone who is helping you more information so they can help you better is not cooperation. Go ahead and claim that "well it didn't matter that Donald helped the Russians," you can't make a good argument against collusion anymore.>>337033https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
The shifting narrative and subsequent damage control by Trumptards is hilarious.
>>337066I remember when during the campaign Clinton supporters were forced to defend her use of an unsecured server. Now we have a president who bypasses the whole unsecured servers things by giving the Russians classified information in the oval office, and the big debate has shifted to "how much working with Russian spies is too much?"
>>337068>classified informationLol what?
>>337041Well surely the media would tell us if he was.....Carry on
Mueller couldn't have gotten Manafort for lying if he didn't already have the facts. Mueller clearly has the goods and now it's just a waiting game.
>>337090What's so funny?
>>337112Your gay fanfic
>>337089Mueller came with the goods all right. He showed up at your door with Ed Buck,a black gay male prostitute and a syringe of Crystal meth and your all going to party and have deviant sex while watching gay porn until the prostitute overdoses and dies
>>337116This is actually 100 times more likely than what he typed out. Sounds like a fun party tbh, would attend
>>337119Enjoy, we'll be over here actually fixing things.
>>337115So it's true. Everyone on /pol/ is 14 years old
>>337147The President gets to decide what is classified and what isn't. If he decides to share it, it isn't classified.
>>337151Thing is, he wasn't the president then.
>>337156Yeah, Donald Trump was absolutely and definitely the President of the United States during the events of May 2017 referenced in your article.
>>337005>ANY DAY NOW>ANY DAY NOW>ANY DAY NOW
>>337116The party doesn't stop when the prostitute dies
>>337169I sincerely hope so... but I know it's not going to happen anytime soon. We have clear evidence of collusion, but Donald's loyal army of cousin-fuckers is still fine with their fearless orange leader being the Manchurian candidate, so long as he publicly defends Nazis. If you think that's an unfair, I'd love to hear why manafort claiming in court he cooperated with Russian agents is not a sign of collusion (hint: saying Mueller is a Hillary shill isn't an argument)
>>337299>MuellerIt's becoming more likely that Mueller has more incriminating evidence of collusion. Also, Trump supporters don't care if he commits treason.
i will be truly surprised if this ends up with and indictable charges against trump relating to actual foreign election influence.much more likely the only crimes he may have comitted will be financial in nature or trump will lie about something (like every one else mueller has arrested)
>>337299>lol ur stupid hick haha>le orange man bad>mueller is basically omnipotent>not defending commies is defending nazis>immediate and obvious samefag reply to himselfYou really are a caricature
>>337314c o p e
>>337299>I only read huffington post and nothing else
>>337329https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/republicans-dont-fool-yourselves-donald-trump-is-in-serious-trouble/inb4 "national review is liberal"
>>337331National Review is not liberal, but it's very much anti-Trump and has been for quite a long time.https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/05646e55-adba-4fdb-ac49-bcad15288087_250_330.jpg
>>337333>all media sources that criticize trump in any way are untrustworthy
>>337335>all media sources that criticize trump in any way are trustworthy
>>337371Do you have something specific against William Buckley's paper, or is it just insufficiently obsequious?
>>337185That's gonna be a yikes from me, bro.
>>337335They do when tthey are neocon pieces of dogshit. Trump is a lot of things but isn't a neocon like the clintons and bushes
>>337388>a neocon like the clintonsExcuse me whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
>>336939NYT already published a correction stating that Manafort was dealing with Ukrainians not Russians.
>>337423Not quoted but Neocons are really just economically rightwing (mostly jewish) Dems who left the Dems over wanting to fight more wars (for Israel) in the middle-east. Not even /pol/ but that's easily verified with the original Neocons being actual Trotskyists butthurt over Israel criticism like Irving Kristol.Given how much of a warhawk Hillary is she'd fit right in with them, all she lacks is an Israeli dual-citizenship. (which the vast majority of Neocons have)
>>337429>He thinks Neocons means interventionismYou're a fucking moron. Neocon means preemptive wars, as in invaliding countries without provocations, which is what the war crime of Iraq was. Most of the intervention you see now is in response to the Clinton Doctrine, which was to intervene in humanitarian or other crises after the there was immense criticism for not intervening in the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. While the results are not always positive, this was one of the reasons for US troops moving into Libya and Syria in order to support US friendly forces. If this was a Neocon operation, they would have thrown the full might of the US military to overthrow the current government and install their own puppet government. You can try and claim that happened in Libya, but the US was extremely hands off as compared to Iraq. So this who idea that Clinton is a neocon is completely without merit.>>336939I wouldn't be shocked if this was intentionally leaked to help dilute the impact of story. It's like the Trump Tower meeting with Donald jr. conspired with the Russians. If that dropped right now it would be a massive bombshell, but it was released during some weird window where people didn't treat it as big as it should be.However, if the polling data Manafort handed over to the Russians was from Cambridge Analyitca. That's another game over scenario for Trump since it proves direct collusion and conspiring with the Russians.
>>337913How many game overs has it been so far and he's still in the game
>>337033Whyere is my PROOF?! cyka
>>337919It's all depends on what evidence Mueller brings forward to prove Trump conspired with the Russians in their attack on the America my dear /pol/ppetSmoking guns at this point are Cohen traveling to Prague to met with Putin officials over the specifics of the attack and finding means of paying them for it. Or depending on the source of polling company, Manafort handing the information to the Russians who then use that in their cyber attack on America.A mushroom cloud would be if there's documentation or conformation that Trump was aware and signed off on any of these.
>>337937>Manafort handing the polling information to the Russians Tbqh I don't see this as an issue unless if it also shown that he worked directly with the foreign government as an unregistered agent.If it was done under the guise of paying a company to do pr work with bots there is nothing illegal about that even if the company if overseas
>>337941There's no reason to had that information over to hostile foreign power, and all the facts points to them using data to create pin point attacks on the American electorate with their propaganda. All signs points to conspiracy.
>>337937>A mushroom cloud would be if there's documentation or conformationNice try Ivan, touch up your English skills
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/steven-mnuchin-congress-testimony-1096537Trump's trying to lift sanctions on Russia.It again asks the question of what do they got on him?
>>337960The blackmail is too obvious to hide
>>337941>Russians run highly targeted propaganda campaign>everyone wonders how the fuck they knew where to target and why it ran so closely to the places that the Trump campaign itself was targeting>it's revealed that Trump's campaign chairman gave the Russians the campaigns pollling data>NPCs say this is all normal and fine and there was no collusion, you're the collusion!
>>337065Hillarious #1 geopolitical enemy. Man are you getting paid to write this drivel?It wasn’t her turn and no one is scared of the russians
>>338109Use the spellchecker, Boris.