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President Donald Trump has been mocked for saluting the casket of George H.W. Bush.

The president and the first lady, Melania Trump, were among dignitaries to pay their respects at the U.S. Capitol Rotunda to Bush, who died at his Texas home on Friday at age 94.

The former president's body is scheduled to lie in state at the rotunda until Wednesday, when his funeral will take place in Houston.

Footage shows the president and the first lady approaching Bush’s flag-draped casket. The Trumps stand solemnly for a moment, before Trump raises his hand to his face in a salute and Melania places her hand on her chest.

However, the president’s apparent show of respect was lambasted online as inappropriate and incorrect.

The rules for saluting are complex, but the right to salute is widely considered to be earned by military personnel. As Trump has not served in the military, some saw it as improper for the president to salute Bush, particularly as he served in World War II. Bush was the last U.S. president to serve in active combat.

Trump’s saluting technique itself was also criticized. When a salute is performed, the fingers must be kept straight with the thumb in line. Footage from the memorial shows the president’s thumb was slightly bent.

There are exceptions to saluting, however. In 1981, Ronald Reagan is believed to have started the tradition of presidents saluting the military officers flanking his helicopter as he boards it.

This tradition landed President Barack Obama in hot water in 2014, when he saluted a Marine guarding his presidential helicopter while he held a coffee cup in his hand.
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Trump’s saluting technique itself was also criticized. When a salute is performed, the fingers must be kept straight with the thumb in line. Footage from the memorial shows the president’s thumb was slightly bent.

There are exceptions to saluting, however. In 1981, Ronald Reagan is believed to have started the tradition of presidents saluting the military officers flanking his helicopter as he boards it.

This tradition landed President Barack Obama in hot water in 2014, when he saluted a Marine guarding his presidential helicopter while he held a coffee cup in his hand.

Michael Desch, a professor of political science at Notre Dame University and a military expert, told Newsweek: "This whole issue is quite fraught. A generation ago, a president who had not served, or even one who had but was not in uniform, would not have even returned a salute. Since President Reagan, things have changed, and not for the better in my opinion, in terms of civil-military etiquette."

Desch went on: "Certainly, a president ought to acknowledge a military salute rendered. But returning a salute while not in uniform seems vaguely inappropriate, but then so does much of what passes for modern etiquette. Also, the president as commander in chief had wide latitude in these matters."

Desch added, "Still, I noticed that former President George W. Bush, who has served, put his hand over his heart as the flag-draped casket of his father passed. That strikes me as the appropriate show of respect."

The disapproval of Trump’s gesture comes after he made the highly unusual decision to return a salute to a member of the North Korean military during his June summit in Singapore with Kim Jong Un.
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Footage released by North Korea’s state media shows Trump gesturing to a general. Military rules dictate a salute is reserved for personnel of friendly foreign nations, CNN reported at the time. However, a president is not expected to return a salute—particularly to an official from a nation with which the U.S. has had an uneasy relationship.

Following criticism at the time, press secretary Sarah Sanders told a White House press briefing, "It's a common courtesy when a military official from another government salutes that you return that.”
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This is at least as petty as the people who mocked Obama's brown suit. Who the fuck cares
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>>322429
This one matters because it shows Trump has no concept of protocol or the military.
Sure we can shit on Obama for saluting a Marine guarding his helicopter with a coffee cup, that was Reagan setting that terrible precedent.
A civilian saluting a fallen military official, is something civilians shouldn't do. It also REALLY doesn't help that Trump saluted incorrectly, which only shows he's doing it because he thinks it makes him look good.
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>>322433
Let each person show respect in their own way and stop being such an uptight, judgemental asshole. A man died and to focus the funeral on some minor fopah of decorum seems more disrespectful to him than what Trump did.
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>>322429
This. Getting muddied down in the details of minor fuck ups takes away from the major ones.
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>>322424

Meh. I don't like the guy but this is some petty, reaching shit. The author is spot on when he comments on all modern etiquette feeling vaguely inappropriate. Who even knows or honestly cares anymore? The Commander in Chief saluting the casket of the former Commander in Chief doesn't feel like it should be news, and clearly only is because so many people are actively looking for any reason to feel outraged by him.
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>>322424
>some
Who?
>improper for the president to salute
He's the Commander in Chief.
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https://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/3582768879_bdc73c59c5_b.jpg
"Hiii guyth!"
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>>322446
If you let the minor fuck ups go unnoticed, it leads to massive fuck ups.
The problem is Trump should have already been prosecuted for all his crimes, but Republicans put party ahead of country.
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>>322504
>If you let the minor fuck ups go unnoticed, it leads to massive fuck ups.
Yeah! Next, he'll be popping "Heil"s at troops as he passes them. The common man might just see him raising his hand in greeting, but my intellectuality allows me to gaze farther up my ass to see the "real" reality of the situation. He's practically set to invade the wrong country at this point and start WWIII with all of south america, all because he couldn't follow protocol when paying respects.
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>>322504
DrUmPf not do correct hand symbol, now he go to jail
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>>322424
General reminder the person who keeps making "BLUUUUUMPF" threads is a homeless antifa living in Portland who got banned from fucking reddit and had to come here lol.
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>This tradition landed President Barack Obama in hot water in 2014, when he saluted a Marine guarding his presidential helicopter while he held a coffee cup in his hand.
Jesus, Murrilards are so fucking retarded
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>>322433
It was a simple gesture meant to show respect. Nobody seriously cares outside of idiots trying to bash Trump's reputation to a) make a living or b) score e-points on plebbit. The fact that you idiots use a person's FUNERAL as a chance to take a shot at Trump is way more disrespectful than whatever Trump has done in the past two years. Go fuck yourself.
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>>322537
Says the fag who still has images of royalty on their currency, and could legally probably still be hung for publicly insulting any royal family members.
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>>322539
>Nobody seriously cares outside of idiots trying to bash Trump's reputation to a) make a living or b) score e-points on plebbit
I feel like often the case is the former
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the acting president is also commander-in-chief. Trump is in the military now. Saluting a previous commander-in-chief. who the fuck actually cares
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He is the Commander in Chief he should be saluting soldiers especially the fallen.
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>>322433
>this one matters
this is so true
I was Trump supporter from day one
but this is just too much
Im off the Trump train now
how could he bend his thumb? is he mental? did putin tell him to do it? is it because it was sore from fingering pornstars?
whatever his reason is, he most definitely should be impeached
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>>322504
What I'm saying is minor screw ups in decorum shouldn't be blown up into this huge thing. You want to go after someone for shit that actually matters.
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>>322484
CiC still isn't a military position. It is purposely considered a civilian position and also the reason why guys like Obama or Clinton can't claim they were vets despite holding it.

Still, this is petty shit to get worked up over.
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>>322577
It wouldn't matter if Trump wasn't a wannabe dictator who wants to play pretend soldier all the time. You know if he could get away with it, he'd dress up in a military uniform.
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>>322598
>CiC still isn't a military position.
Not disputing that. But the notion it is improper for the CinC to salute is silly.
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>>322611
Agreed. Trump has done a lot worst to get worked up over and other presidents have done similar gaffs before.

However uninformed/shills like >>322561
do not seem to be aware of why the position is set up the way it is.
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>>322600
No one wants to read your fan fiction about what Trump would do if he had unchecked power.
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>>322435
This is a good post, and poster is a good person.
I wish him well.
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>>322424
>Trump’s saluting technique itself was also criticized. When a salute is performed, the fingers must be kept straight with the thumb in line. Footage from the memorial shows the president’s thumb was slightly bent.

Quality journalism.
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>>322643
You should bother look up at what Trump is doing, saying and how he's extremely authoritarian.
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>>322927
It actually is, for a guy who fetishizes the military like Trump, you'd think he'd understand how to do a proper salute. The fact he doesn't is just another piece of evidence, he's just using the military as props and giving them lip service.
Like how he's kept military families apart for thanksgiving and the holidays because of he boarder stunt
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>>322433
he's literally the commander in chief.
even if he's a dumbass.
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>>322844

He calles it a "fopah," so as much as I appreciate his sentiment I still cannot wish anything upon him but defenestration.
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>>322980
Literally, you're a moron if you think that means he's allowed to salute.
The president is still a civilian and they're in charge of the army as a check over the military because the founding fathers feared a free standing military, which is why they never established one.
Notice how Obama and Clinton aren't refereed to as veterans?
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>>323087
>Literally, you're a moron if you think that means he's allowed to salute.
He is allowed to salute, there's nothing prohibiting him or saying he can't

>Notice how Obama and Clinton aren't refereed to as veterans?
Notice how they both also saluted?
https://leatherneckm31.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/obama-salute.jpg
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7210cc985dbfb9e63e347480803f2938d30e3bbd/c=18-0-2673-1996&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/02/WIGroup/Milwaukee/636216510413753958-AP-9410060652.jpg

You sound like some retard vet who bombed the ASVAB and came home after your contract was up and tried to launch your political career by taking a gun control stance that argues that AR-15s are "weapons of war" that you used to kill people with, when in reality you spent your entire "combat deployment" mopping out the mess hall because you kept failing to qualify on the rifle range because you kept referring to your M16A2 as an AR-15 before flagging everything and everyone not downrange.
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DRUMPF SALUTE BUSH?!?!?!

IMPEACH
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>>323100
If you know your history, which you clearly don't. Both Clinton and Obama continued a dumb ass tradition started by Reagan to salute the Marines guarding Air Force One/Marine One.
Trump is pushing it even farther now saluting whenever he feels like it, when it's always been reserved for something between service men and not civilian. Trump is still a civilian.

>Attacking vets
As expected of a draft dodging chicken hawk like the Republican party.
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>>323108
>If you know your history, which you clearly don't. Both Clinton and Obama continued a dumb ass tradition started by Reagan to salute the Marines guarding Air Force One/Marine One.

Yet again, they all did it & nothing says they can't. Your argument is defeated. You're perpetuating it because your butthurt and don't like the guy doing it currently, whereas I bet you didn't complain at all when Obama or Clinton, your examples, did it as well.

>As expected of a draft dodging chicken hawk like the Republican party.
1. Draft dodging was (rightfully) upheld as a moral virtue by the same people now attempting to use it to insult people. You're either anti or pro-conscription/unnecessary wars, you can't pick both.
2. I'm not Trump, and I'm not old enough to have lived through the draft. However I don't have to have served to know that even if you did, it didn't turn you into any less of a boot-throating retard
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>>322446
Going back to this point, Trump made the day of mourning for Bush Sr about himself because he couldn't go a day without jacking himself off.
>Salutes
Minor indescretion that could be chalked up to not knowing protocol
>Brags on Twitter hours after a funeral on a national day of mourning
Makes him an asshole

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/06/trump-brags-about-approval-rating-hours-after-bushs-funeral-working-hard-thank-you/
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>>323119
The only ones wrong here are Trump and the right wing drones like yourself who continue to defend his behavior. What he did was wrong and it's why it was pointed out. The fact your cherry picked evidence was also refuted further cripples your losing case.

>Calling draft dodging a virtue
At least it shows you're a coward and hate the troops. As expected of Republicans
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>>323123
So the war in Vietnam was justified now that Trump dodged it but when GW Bush hide out in Texas air national guard and and Clinton went to England it was totally bad. What a bunch of hypocritical bullshit.
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>>323125
GW Bush was a deserter who used family connections to dodge going to the war, and then went AWOL anyway.
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DRRRUUMMPFFF!!!!
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>>323127
can you blame the nigga who would to end up like McCain or dead?
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>>323131
Trump would probably have been killed in a friendly fire 'accident' if he went over to Nam based on how much of an asshole he is.
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>>323134
It might have improved his personality honestly to have have a bunch of guys beat the shit out of him during training because he keeps fucking up.
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>>323135
Based on the fact that Trump probably suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and never takes personal responsibility, he'd blame everyone else for his fuck ups even if he got the shit kicked out of him in basic.
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>>323009
>"fopah,"
Pass the fox.
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>>322424
>as improper for the president
>by military personnel
What kind of an ignorant communist are you?
The President of the US is the Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces.
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>>323318
>Yet another /pol/ppet has to be taught that the President's roll is that of a civilian leading the military and he's not considered military personal.
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>>323324
>https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/opinion/01winfrey.html
better have obama hanged for his gross breach of military protocol
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>getting upset that someone saluted the casket of a former president and serviceman
get a fucking life lmao. trump literally cannot do anything right in the eyes of some
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>>323333
a civilian saluting is disrespectful
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>>323334
did you take a fat shit on obama when he did it or is this one of these things that you only care ago when it's orange man being bad
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>>323338
it was disrespectful when obama did it, too
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>>323339
so what did you do when he did
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>>323341
see
>>323334
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>>322424
He's the president. I'm pretty sure he can do whatever he fucking wants and little nothing useless bitches like you can just cry over it.
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>>323334
criticizing someone for paying their respect is disrespectful
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>>323342
i mean at the time, not eight years later now that it's required to maintain consistency while making fun of orange man
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>>322433
please throw yourself off a cliff
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>>323343
>The president is a king!
The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
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>>323372
kek
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>>323387
Yes cause you can logically follow my statement to mean he can rule like a king rather than the more sane assumption being he can do whatever he pleases vis-a-vis social protocol. Dummy.
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>>323479
>He can do whatever he wants
You're saying he can act like a dictator.
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>>322549
I'd rather have the royal family than "in God we trust" lmaoo
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>>322435
based decent human
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>>323501
>>323387
>Good Lord he is saluting a casket. Next thing you know he will be goose stepping down the National Mall!
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>>322435
>Let each person show respect in their own way
Do you actually believe Trump was showing respect and not just trying to pose for a photo op? If so then I have a bridge to sell you
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>>323678
He ordered the military to throw a parade for him, pretty sure if he could get people goose stepping for him, he would.
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>>323679
>my opinion is better than yours

>>323682
>ordered a parade to celebrate himself
You mean the ceremony which was planned to celebrate veterans day and the centennial anniversary of the end of WW1?
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>>323685
>straw man and non arguments
I'm sorry your guy turned out to be a dud that's only concerned with how people see him
But at least you're here making excuses for him, I'm sure he appreciates that
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>>323723
Unless you think the posts I replied are based in absolute fact and not opinion or strawmen in and of themselves, there was no strawman. Also just because it fits your internal narrative that everyone who doesn't give a shit about things like this is part of some secret internet defense force for Trump doesn't make it true. This story is small potatoes compared to the other shit he has done and focusing efforts on it only distracts from the bigger picture.

>>323708
You have your facts wrong. He didn't attend the ceremony in Paris because the rain made it impossible to arrive via helicopter and his motorcade would have disrupted traffic. His excuse for not going to Arlington because he was "too busy" was actially far worse. That said, it doesn't change the fact that the stated intention for the parade was to commemorate the troops. Any other interpretation is purely based on conjecture until hard evidence arises which says otherwise
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>>323744
I'm just reporting what the official statement was. I can't confirm nor deny its validity, so take it as you will. The anon I was replying was still wrong, though
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>>323749
But it wasn't because of the rain. It was actually an even more bullshit excuse. Honestly he just dropped the ball by confusing the two events



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