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The perfect bicycle speed is 18 km/h, unless you have a strong tailwind. Anything faster and you are just getting cucked by the wind and your own body. Also, for speeds faster than 18 km/h (without a tailwind) one cannot carry any decent bags or luggage, rendering the bicycle mostly useless for transport. Thus, cycle 18 km/h lads!
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>>1374787
Agreed
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it smells like weak in here
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>>1374787
>cucked
Opinion discarded.
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>>1374790
Its not about fitness, its'about getting somewhere not without energy and not with stinking.

Also, the goal of a fast bike should not be to go fast, but to use less energy to go 18 km/h.
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>>1374787
>one cannot carry any decent bags or luggage

An aerodynamic backpack would reduce drag.
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>>1374787
I bet you wanted to say: 18mph
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My average speed for my 20km commute is 25km/h. It is very hilly though, with constant headwind / side wind. I only get 2 to 5 tailwinds per year ffs.

I think if it were flat ground without wind, I would comfortably average around 30. 18 feels very slow, and I don't have a very fast average speed. Seems about right though, because I pass every other commuter as if they were standing still. I don't see any roadie commuters, just casuals... prob because daily commuting would fuck with your training, I guess.
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>>1374801
A saddle bag reduces drag more. According to GCN at least.
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>>1374798
still smells like weak in here
>>1374804
this guy gets it
>>1374806
so does this guy
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>>1374806
I'm significantly slower than you.
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>>1374806
I can also comfortably average 28 km/h, but only on a roadbike with slicky slicks, no panniers or fenders, equipped only for summer riding, in tight spandex, with special shoes that click into the pedals, in an aerodynamic pose that equires the physique of an ostrich.

If I had to do all that every time I would ride a bike, I would stop riding. I'd rather go 8 km/h slower and be able to ride all year, arrive relaxed at my destination, and look class.
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>>1374822
Nothing wrong with that.

>>1374875
I am riding >>1374026 >>1374029
Bike weight is usually 40-55lbs depending on a few factors. Don't really care much about sweating due to my job in a machine shop, and I change my clothes obviously. Really wish they had a shower though.

I do try to pace myself to avoid getting too nasty, but always feel compelled to keep up my pace. Some mornings I leave 10 minutes early to take it easy, and just end up being 10 minutes earlier. I think it's a mixture of just enjoying it and always being conscious of the possibility of losing time due to flatting or something else. I'd rather have time to spare. On Fridays I push a bit harder and do it in 35 min. That's around 34km/h average.
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>>1374787
wut ? 25 kph is easy
only above 30 kph does air resistance become a problem
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>>1374896
Please reread the SI brochure.
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>>1374906
there's no time for punctuation, or grammar.
correct spelling is out of the question.
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weer die stomme kankerbatavus
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>>1374787
You're weak and probably fat.
>>1374790
Yes it does
>>1374798
Nope, again, you sound weak and probably fat.

Too much filthy casual in here.
OP needs to spend some time in >>>/fit/
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lots of fast guys in this thread

> "maybe there will be a groundswell of anti-racing – or as I call it, unracing. I think it has to be triggered by an event, because things left alone to drift in the wind always seem to pick a lousy wind to drift with. "

>“To the unracer, a cross-town commute counts as much as a romp on the trails or a tour down the coast,” he writes. “There’s no hierarchy or score card. You don’t get unracer points for being car free, or for pedaling your family across town at night in a sleet storm to go shopping. If it’s miserable or treacherous out and you have a car, drive it. Unracing is practical, not a religion.”
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>>1375122
>cope
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>>1375122
fuck off cager
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>>1375122
Stop trying to make this catch on
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>>1374806
Coping hard brother.

Theres ebikes and pedelecs if someone wants to commute and run errands on a bike.

I am a free man and won't bend for hectic schedules or people saying cycling should imitate tour de france.

Stay mad people or redpill yourselves.
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>>1374787
I can do 25 km/h no problem, while drinking coffee from paper cup without lid, and carrying a bag.
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>>1375124
>>1375125
>>1375126
i'm unracer. so is my girlfriend. we exist and we are valid
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>>1375132
>
amen
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We are legion
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>>1375140
unraced as fuck
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>>1375140
i miss him
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>>1375132
I get why fat people would want to sit upright, but for me the aero semi-tuck is more comfortable than sitting upright with sweep-back bars.

I rode a hybrid with 26"/40mm tires, front suspension, and a gel saddle about a month ago, after only riding my 700c/25mm aluminium endurance bike with bolt-on Profile Design aerobars. The moment I got off the hybrid I had back pain like NOTHING I've ever had, and I didn't ride on particularly bad roads.

If you can still breathe properly, aero-tuck is both faster and more comfortable.
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Racers have a cage in their mind
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>>1375227
this. obsession with speed is the cage
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riding hard long and fast is the true way to unrace because when you have god tier fitness you can ride slow and comfy with zero exertion
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>>1375237
> "gotta go fast"
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>>1374787
Thanks OP for making me feel better about not being able to break 18km/h average on bikepacking trips.
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>>1375239
>you're more free if you take 5 hours to reach your destination
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>>1375244
The unracer is not slow
The unracer does not care about speed
The unracer simply does as the unracer wishes
The unracer has no minimum speed, no top speed
The unracer chooses convenience
The unracer chooses comfort
The unracer chooses fun
The unracer chooses the good life
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>>1375246
The unracer also apparently posts on /n/ get a load of this pathetic motherfucker lmao
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>>1375246
The unracer is a hobo.
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>>1375246
>unless you do everything possible to make your bike slow, you are racing
Also
>The unracer chooses convenience
>The unracer chooses comfort
The "unracer", rides a bike while resting 100% of their weight on their prostate because they don't believe in leaning on handlebars.

Leaning over doesn't make riding uncomfortable, it actually makes it more comfortable, but it also makes it faster, and since speed is a sin to "unracers", people who do it are racers.

>no, I don't have a cage in my mind like you racers, I simply MUST ride in a very particular way all the time
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>>1374787
i bought a shitty chinese bike computer, turns out that i average 15km/h and mantain a constant 20km/h on straight planes
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>>1374787

18kph, the fuck bro, i can ride a fucking mountain bike up a 10deg hill at 18mph and im 6.1ft and like 190lb.

Down the same hill id hit 30mph easy.
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>>1374798
>use less energy to go 18 km/h.

why not go 17km/h and use less energy?
why not go 16km/h and use less energy?
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>>1375238
this guy knows whup
>>1375263
why not die and provide energy to worms
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>>1375247
>>1375249
>>1375252
The unracer is immune to your spurious attacks
The unracer is peaceful and calm like a still morning lake
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I could just about run a half marathon at that pace.
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The Virgin Unracer actually still rides a bike at all.
Meanwhile the Chad Unracer doesn't even own a bike, stays home, and uses the power of his *mind* to ride a bike in the virtual reality of his thoughts.
>2019:
>Actually riding a bike in the real world
ngmi
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>>1375460
oh I've heard of that. Peloton bikes and zwift, right?
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>>1375460
>>1375468
base
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>>1374787
>>1374787
The perfect bicycle is the one you are perched atop of. The perfect speed is the speed you want to go at.

These truths become more obvious the more miles you put under you.

You guys can go back to complaining about unracers vs. sanicfastbois now.
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>>1375485
You sound slow
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>>1375492
slow is part of the cage. myself and others who know proceed at the "speed" which pleases them
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I can't got faster than 8 MPH
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>>1375572
did you try using circular wheels
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>>1375577
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>>1375477
zwift needs a paperboy mode and propcycle mode although I guess in paperboy mode people would get triggered when they get caged by that fucking roastie in the convertible
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>>1375572
Ganbatte
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>>1375572
Ride off a bridge
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>>1375572
The unracer chooses to ride at the speed the unracer CAN achieve, never more
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>>1375713
Maybe I was being a bit harsh
>>1375572
I hope you recover from whatever ails you
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>>1375823
>The unracer chooses to ride at the speed the unracer CAN achieve, never more
So you're admitting that this """unracer""" forced meme crap is just describing fat, weak, slow faggots who can barely keep a bike upright because they're so slow? Gotcha, that's what I thought.

**********

ATTENTION (so-called) FAT WEAK """UNRACER""" FAGS:
>>>/fit/ go learn to lose that fatter-than-fatass ASS of yours.
Also take a shower daily and put on clean clothes.
Also clean your room you slob. Get a shovel for all that crusty underwear you hide under the bed before the EPA declares your room a Superfund site.
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>>1374787
Amen bro
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>>1375869
Fuck off fag, 18-20 kph is the most efficient speed on a bicycle
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>>1375886
At those speeds I'm pretty much just dropping my legs on the pedals.
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>>1375886
Care to back that statement up with science?

>>1375913
Your legs are made of led.
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>>1375869
Come at me bro. I bet you are one of those "shitty genetics, lots of exercise to cope" dudes. If you think being fat is something you have to fight against you already are a loser.

But hey - no hate just love. Try to avoid your forthcoming cardiac attack and maybe we meet someday and you can hhuff and puff past me pedaling uphill 50 rpm 18 km/h eating vegan sandwich and texting my wife what to wear at the evening.
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>>1375886
>SO angry!
Wassamatta bro, I hit a nerve? xD
Here, bro, I'm-a help you out: >>>/fit/17018018
Go learn to not be fat and weak. Then git gud. Then you won't have to keep trying to convince yourself that slow is better.
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>>1375936
>massive cope
..oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm not playing the game rights, am I? So sorry about that!
Now I'm supposed to get angry and come up with a whole paragraph dismantling you, aren't I? Isn't that the way to play this game? xD
Keep riding, bro, you might make it some day.
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If you think riding more than 10 miles per hour is tough you're a FUCKING PUSSY SHIT that shouldn't be on the road. I hate you.
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>>1375961
Aww anon, that's all right, I hate you too.
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>TFW: watching you idiots arguing about being slow.
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>>1375605
Zwift is so stupid for going bike race only. I don't get it. I would buy that shit if the had any half fun games for it
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Imagine fighting the wind to go an extra 5mph instead of putting in 100 mile loaded picnic tour rides at an optimal 10mph ...while high on the koly herb (meditation, I and I virtue, guide)
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>>1376073
>fighting the wind to go an extra 5mph
How weak are you?
>he has to walk his bike up hills, even overpasses
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>>1376071
in bikeindustri, people who want to larp as pro racers are a far more profitable market than people who just wanna chill tf out
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>>1376073
based

I think racers force themselves to go fast because they are uncomfortable, because they don't ride on a good saddle.
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>>1376189
Do you understand the concept of racing at all? Please explain what you know so I can better explain the phenomena of “riding fast”
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>>1376189
>old
>shitty
>heavy as fuck
>clownishly large
>overpriced
1919 called they want their tractor seat back
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Noticeable air drag starts from 15km/h and increase exponentially after 20km/h.

At 10Mph(16Kmh), good aero bikes don't show significant advantages. Even above 30km/h, typical aero bike cannot do much to reduce the air resistant : human are not aerodynamic in the first place.

Obviously there's a lot of wasted energy going above 18mph even in an aero tuck.

True aerodynamic-cycle look something like velomobile . No professional cyclist with their expensive bicycle can beat any amateur that is riding a fast velomobile, unless it is a hill climbing competition
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>>1376169
I had this gym that had a cycling machine game where you drive around through rings or something. It was n64 tier graphics and very lame, yet so much more entertaining than zwift

I think it will take a major console game or something.. The problem is building a pedaling peripheral that people would be willing to buy.... Most people don't want to keep a bike in their living room obviously... Maybe soon
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>>1374804
please. adults are talking.
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>>1376189
>suspended rider, unsuspended bike
cringe
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>>1376849
Aerodynamic drag does not increase exponentially. It only increases quadratically.
Please only use words that you understand.
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>>1376852
That reminds me of this game my arcade had back in the day called Prop Cycle.
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>>1376875
>quadratically
You're retarded.
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>>1376901
Quadratically is correct. You could also say polynomially, but quadratically is more specific.
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>>1376875
>>1376901
>>1376927
See pic related. Since none of you are Olympic racers, it doesn't really matter other than the faster you go the harder it is to do so.
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>>1376936
I don't know why you thought it significant to numerically specify the coefficient.
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>>1374787
aaa Dutch science
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>>1376941
>how do examples work?
>I'm the smartest person in my room!
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>>1376067
>>TFW: watching you idiots arguing about being slow.

This is both Accurate Poignant and equally Hilarious.
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>>1376946
The examples would have been better if you had kept the same scale for all the axes.
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>>1376948
Make your own graphs then fuck face.
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>>1375913
>At those speeds I'm pretty much just dropping my legs on the pedals.
What part of efficient didn't you understand?
With proper gearing you get from A to B using the least amount of energy at 18-20 kph, even against the wind.
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>>1375937
Fuck off faggit, I can climb faster than you.
And on flat 18kph is better.
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>>1376949
Seems like I touched a nerve here.
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>>1376954
>nerve
I broke my big toe last week, and I keep getting nerve pain... I haven't ridden in 8 days now.

:(
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still smells like weak in here
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>>1376950
>What part of efficient didn't you understand?
Well done on demonstrating a misunderstanding of the very question you're asking.

Efficiency isn't a synonym of "ease", moron. A car is not at it's most efficient at idle revs. In fact, the slower you go, the less efficient the human body is.
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>>1376970
>In fact, the slower you go, the less efficient the human body is.
Only true if you're going slower than the optimal cadence. Hey, just like with a car, who'dhavethunkit.
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>>1376973
I can do 100 rpm at 140 watts and 650 watts. Does that mean I’m working at the same efficiency at both power outputs?
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>>1376936
but according to your chart quadratic is basically twice as exponential as exponential so my point still stands, even more firmly. If you exceed 15mph you are don quijote tier foolish and don't understand physics
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>>1376881
>Prop Cycle.
Honestly fantastic game that would make millions of there was some way to sell them for home use (and size them for people over the age of 13)
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Fuck, people on this board cannot read, go back to /asp/ if you are not interested in bicycles as a mean of transportation.
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>>1376977
No but, it also means 100 rpm is not your optimal cadence in at least one of the cases.
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Well ho lee shiit look at what I found on sheldonbrown.com here in pic related to your left
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.html
I think we can take a few things from this.
1. Aero bikes are a waste of money
2. unracer bikes should not exceed 10mph
3. racer holes should not exceed 15mph
4. velomobiles can ride at any speed since their wind resistance curve is neither exponential nor quadrilateral
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>>1376978
Anon chart is misleading because of inconsistent axes scaling.
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>>1376983
What do bicycles have to do with wrestling?
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>>1376986
>Aero bikes are a waste of money
Depends on how much money you got.
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>>1376986
>quadrilateral
What?
All those curves, including the shallow one, are quadratic, if that's what you meant.
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>>1374787
I'm not an athlete, but I still manage to routinely average 20 to 22 km/h per hour on this heavy ass rusty beach cruiser without excreting myself that much.

>for speeds faster than 18 km/h (without a tailwind) one cannot carry any decent bags or luggage

Lies. I routinely carry stuff in the metal baskets all the time and they are un aero as fuck. You're weak or trolling.
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>>1377004
>the chad cruise irl
based
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>>1377004
>without excreting myself that much
>excreting
Anon if you're shitting yourself whenever you ride then you either need better personal hygiene habits or you need to see a proctologist.
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>>1376986
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>>1377032
Kek... Who's the loser now Chad???
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>>1377004
> Rusty frame
> Surgicaly clean chain

This guy fucks.
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>>1377046
This guy LARPs
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>>1377045
>Kek... Who's the loser now Chad???
Apparently diaper-wearing Chad, who can't maintain containment, LOL.
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My cruising speed is 30kmh.
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>>1375126
It's already the default in places that have a sane attitude towards cycling.
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>>1377234
It leads to some stupid shit though, yesterday for example, I saw some guy riding uphill with a DH bike in the middle of my town.
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>>1377235
I see this all the time. I used to think they were just riding to a trail but now realize they just bought a "cool looking" bike.
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>>1377235
Hey it’s not easy to load a DH bike onto a car rack, you gotta get to the trails somehow
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>>1377239
The bike looked brand new, too clean to have ever been in a trail, it was either the first day of the bike or what >>1377236 said.
I suspect it's the second one because I saw him later riding next to his GF on a BMX by the river.
He might not be using it for the purpose it was designed for, but I bet he was comfortable as fuck on the pothole ridden roads of the outskirts
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>>1375122
>You don’t get unracer points
Well what's the fucking point then? I want my points! Philosophy discarded.
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The unracer's mind is a placid lake
The unracer's heart is a warm sunrise
The unracer's soul is an autumn moon
The unracer's body is a taught oak tree
The unracer's path is a clear mountain stream
The unracer's dreams climb like morning glory
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>>1377245
The unracer's meme is forced and stupid
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>>1374787

Explain this... Racer.
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>>1377491
>I too, never forget the kickstand on my race bike.
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>>1377500
He's clipping in. That's racer bullshit
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This is how I commute every day, with huge panniers.
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If your daily commute isn't like this on at least a few sections, you are homosexual.
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I also work for a 3 letter agency.
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>>1377567
F.A.G. ?
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>>1377571
If I told you, I'd have to have gay sex with you.
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>>1374787
REMINDER: Trolling, baitposting, and retarded memes belong on >>>/b/. Please review the Site Rules.
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>>1377585
>every opinion i disagree with is a troll
He has his, we have ours.
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>>1374787
my average cruising speed is about 23 - 24 km/h
I have to be pretty tired to go any slower
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>>1375572
just ride more. maybe your bike sucks?
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>>1377565
blurry?
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>>1377391
“unracer” is a marketing gimmick from grant peterson, don’t make fun of the NPC for not realizing this
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>>1379345
The Rivendell cult is ridiculous.

>have a vision of mass-transit
>burden the realisation of that vision with needless obsolescence and expense
>"I'm right, the world is wrong, you'll see"
Grant Peterson has his head so far up his ass, and I say that as someone who thinks he has a point.
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>>1379377
You know nothing of his work

>>1379345
False. Unracer is a new name for an old idea. The original spirit of cycling - which that existed long before cycling became poisoned by racerism
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>>1379379
>You know nothing of his work
Yes, this doesn't sound at all like what a cult member would say.
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>>1379381
It's a line from Marshall McLuhan in Annie Hall, zoomer
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>>1379385
Oh, ok. I'm just critiquing Peterson as a manufacturing engineer, but you have Woody Allen quotes, so clearly I'm outmatched.
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While I understand he has a point, sometimes it's fun to go fast.

You can't love bikes and not love pumping out at 50-11 on a long flat road trying to go fast.
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>>1379379
Athletics existed far before the invention of the bicycle. Crawl back into your hole of mediocrity and think about your choices in life before posting again.
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>>1379392
Outmatched on knowledge for sure

>>1379403
Are you sure you understand the point I was making? Your comment suggests you do not (and possibly.. cannot)
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>>1379404
Racing is an athletic competition. Athletics is a natural part of being a complete human being. Your "unracer" drivel goes against human nature.
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>>1379419
constant need to compete is a sign of status anxiety, common in low status hominids. while you still are missing my point, I think we are getting closer to some insight here. Perhaps the Chad cruiser bike meme is more accurate than any of us realized
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>>1379424
You're confusing the desire to dominate others with athletic competition. It isn't surprising for an "unracer" to not understand the difference.
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>>1379424
>>1379452
Some of us well-adjusted, healthy, secure people enjoy friendly competition for the sheer joy of it and for the challenge. Of course if you're physically too weak and lacking in courage to take on a challenge, then I guess I can understand why you'd shy away from anything competitive.
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>>1379379
>which that existed long before cycling became poisoned by racerism
>imlpying
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>>1379452
No, I'm talking about status anxiety, pure and simple

>>1379511
When you refer to others as "casuals" you are no longer involved in a >friendly competition
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>>1379518
Good job ignoring >>1379517

unracers forever btfo
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How will he ever defeat the cage if we cannot end this senseless war between racer and unracer?!? And what of the trainbro and planeboy? What are we doing?!??! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CAGE WANTS
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>>1379528
>flying cages
>cages on rails
no thanks
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on my way to work i absolutely rip it on a flat gravel path parallel to a rail line in order to make up for the time that i always leave my house at the last minute
on my way bike i use an alternate route with a gentle slope and barely even touch the handlebars unless i have to come to a complete stop at an intersection, i like cruising while sitting completely upright
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>>1379392
>you have Woody Allen quotes, so clearly I'm outmatched
lol
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>>1379528
"""Unracer""" is just another retarded-assed forced meme and whoever started it needs to be beaten senseless.
All this trolling against cars is just /b/ level bullshit and 100% of the so-called 'anti-cage' trolls either own cars and drive right now, or will get a car in the near future and will have no reservations about it whatsoever.
PROVE ME WRONG.
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>>1379596
Why do you even come to this website?
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>>1379596
'Unracer' is a grant peterson term along a sheldon brown-esque logic that there is a cultural issue where anyone who takes cycling seriously, rides a lot, or has a nice bike, is expected to follow a racing ethos, ie that a bike should be as light and efficient as possible, that going as fast and being as strong as possible is the aim, that you're 'training' and not racing and that cycling is a sport and not for utility or fun.

That riding slowly through a park with friends is for children and commuting on a bicycle is for poorfags and touring is for the suicidal.

what do you think about this?
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>>1379511
>well adjusted
>posts on 4chan
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>>1379605
Sports are fun though
Training your body to be fitter than it was before is enjoyable, up to a point
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>>1379626
they even have a forum for sports on 4chan.org
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>>1379626
yes, so?
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>>1379639
thanks for being the strawman he needs cunt
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>>1379289
I think he's referring to the leaves on the ground, courtesy of the forever depressing England.
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>>1381999
>rides on right side of the road
>england
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>>1382027
If I bike 18km/h, is it slow enough to be safe going brakeless on a fixie?
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>>1374787
>The perfect bicycle speed is 18 km/h,
agreed
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>>1374787
>tfw max out at 13mph in a full sprint
I wish I wasn't asthmatic or obese. I'm sure if I keep at it my numbers won't be basic-tier forevver but it hurts being this slow with all my effort
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>>1382027
god I wish more places synced up lights like this
>Seattle
>going down 2nd is almost synced to have you going 25mph
>city doesn't understand why accidents happen
>going back up will literally give you every red light no matter the speed
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That's about what I average because A. I'm 155kg/2m and B. I ride a heavy ass bike with 45mm tires. I've been at it almost a year and would like to average at least ~25km/h. Definitely achievable at my current weight and who knows when I get to my goal weight.
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>>1374787
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