Fun-Fact: Anyone who is against environmental pollution and takes climate change seriously has to hate the airplane-threads just as much as the carthreads.
>>1343733Some of us have jobs, kayden. Go back to class.
>>1343737The board requires drivers to:-> change their place of residence in this case (and thus accept massive rents)-> a job changeWhy should an aircraft user not have to do the same thing?
Agreed unless electric airplanes become a real thing. The flying cage must die.
>>1343733I don't advocate the complete abolition of the cage, or the sky cage. They have their uses. But their proper use does not represent 99.99% of actual real world use.What I advocate is the destruction of the cager life that requires everyone to own a cage just to get food or get to work. Likewise the sky cage life whereby men in business casual are shuffled around faraway cities in tin boxes because boomers are too dumb to use webex, this should be abolished.Day of the Reef for the sky cage soon.
>>1343759Based and saved
I’d prefer high-speed rail to an airplane unless I was flying across the continent. In a lot of cases HSR’s faster and in every case it’s nicer than a commercial jet.
>>1343733Enjoy never going anywhere in your life you shut-in.
>>1343825It's objectively not faster for most routes. Realistically, maybe only faster for trips of 300 miles or less once you account for stops.
>>1343733No, wrong. We should stop overpopulation (no cities etc.). Less people = less planes, less cars.
>>1343733You want to fix the environment OP? Design and release a supervirus that kills 90% of all humans on the planet. Problem solved.
the damage is basically done and it kind of doesn't matter what we do now. human behaviour is not abating itself in the next ten years, you aren't convincing china to do anything.you should be refocusing your efforts on brainstorming ways to live with the new planet, but that doesn't involve dictating to other people what you think they should be doing and we all know that's what this is really all about.
>>1343920China actually has a greater impetus for environmental modernization than anywhere else, because actual air pollution significantly effects their quality of life, in an immediate and demonstrably clear way. So it's not some abstract thing for them. They already have the largest market for electric vehicles in the world and are projected to be at 50% use by 2025. This is great for everyone as it will push ev development and drive costs down globally.
>>1344172>electric vehiclesWhere the fuck do they get the materials to make the battery and how the fuck are they getting power to those batteries? And that's disregarding the power that goes to getting the processes to get materials for the battery to actually function.
>>1344174With coal power stations. Yeah, it's fucked, but that's a different issue. They get halfway there, help the rest of the world technologically, and make a big difference towards their air polution problem. The meme that EV is actually environmentally harmful compared to ICE, with renewable energy sources, is just absurd conspiracy theory. There are obviously issues around batteries and other things but it's complete nonsense that they outweigh the benefits and people pushing that line speak of some absurd mistrust of experts and confirmation bias towards their beloved status quo.
>>1344172projected by who? the same people who projected self driving cars to be the dominant mode of personal transport this year?China is in an economic slowdown right now. their first one in modern history. the last thing on their mind is quality of life for their people or making meme goals like 50% EV by 2025, which even if they miraculously pull off will still leave them with a few thousand coal plants doing many times the environmental damage.
>>1344205Do you not understand my point? EV use is more abstract for other countries. In China, it's a far more immediate, demonstrably clear, and tangible problem, as air pollution is far more significant to them. It's economically quantifiable as well. The health impact costs them. I'm just refuting this:>you aren't convincing china to do anything.
>>1344209China is not going to switch off coal anytime soon. Not at the behest of international pressure or the health of their own people. They dont care, and not only do they not care tehy are now in the position for the first time where they cant just do whatever they want on the backs of their skyrocketing economic growth. They've stalled.Now go back to /int/ with your furious masturbating to the Rise of China you dimwit.
>>1343920yeah, just build levvies around our coastlines. Game, set match global warming. Burn more coal to power air conditioning. That will give us another 100 years and by then we will have moved completely to sustainable, renewable nuclear power. Research a way to feed poor people nuclear waste so they can process it into something more safe bat the expense of some of their life-force. Fucking easy.
>>1344212the sea level rise is probably the least impactful aspect of global warming. the fact that Africa, Central America and huge swaths of Asia will become absolutely uninhabitable is the problem. Those people are going to need somewhere to go.
>>1344177>With coal power stations. Yeah, it's fucked, but that's a different issue.>>1344211I already acknowledged that. I was making a different point about the added motivation they have for EV uptake compared to other countries. Do you not understand? Or are you incapable of accepting anything someone else says because you think we're having some argument with the moot point being china=bad or china=good?
>>1343759And just who the ever-loving FUCK are you to dictate to everyone else how they have to live? If people want to own a car and they can own a car then they should be free to own a car and fuck you and anyone else who doesn't like it.How would (You) like it if you had your freedom of choice in any given matter taken away from you arbitrarily? Rhetorical question you wouldn't like it one bit and you damned well know it's true. You don't like or want a car? Then fucking don't buy or drive a car, but it's none of your fucking business what anyone else chooses to do. Otherwise the West becomes like China, North Korea, Russia, or any other authoritarian regime you care to name. Fuck that shit and fuck you if you think you should get to tell other people how they can and cannot live.
>>1344235Did you read anything he just fucking said? He, as well as many of us here, want more freedom of choice. We want to be able to have infrastructure and transit options so that we don't need to own a car.Right now, a lot of places around the world have crippling car dependency where you need to own a car whether you like it or not. Until that is fixed it's the car lobby dictating to the rest of us how we want to live. You people can always own a car, nobody will take them away, just provide more options so that the rest of us don't need one.
>>1344235You're still paying an enormous amount of money in taxation to upkeep the infrastructure that facilitates cars.So it is actually your business what other people do re vehicle use, because as a taxpayer, you're funding it. Also, if you're a cyclist for example, other people's car usage poses a safety threat to you. As it does to the world in terms of climate change. Also your business. I'm not saying that you're wrong re: people should be able to drive. I do. But that logic you're using to justify it, and your misguided concept of 'freedom' is totally nonsensical.
>>1343733What about noise pollution? Cars and Planes are pretty bad, but Trains and Busses are brutal!
>>1343849Lol the whole world looks the same anyway, concrete squares and noisy machines. The only nice places left are nature and historic villages yet both of those are being raped by concrete squares and noisy machines.
>>1344235and who the fuck are you to think that you can just pollute the entire fucking world in your ICE you fucking cuck? So its okay to paint me into a concrete corner, fill it with air light and noise pollution, drain my resources and say HURR U R FREE DONT INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTZ BRO. Youre a fucking moron who doesnt realize the size of his own two clown-ass carbon feet, here is your (You).
>>1344259Where people live, trains run underground.
>>1344259One train makes far less noise than 100+ cars
>I'm so environmentally conscious, I eat only vegan>proceeds to fly to other countries for dick>lol I am so cultured to make selfies 1000 kms awayt random roastie>>1344174this, EVs are red herring
>>1344174You're a fucking dipshit. The lifetime emissions of electric cars, even powered by dirty grid power, is drastically lower. Efficiency matters. Read a fucking book nigger.
>>1344235Day of the pillow soon
>>1344277Care to elaborate? Pretty much all the data points towards plant-based diets having a far smaller ecological footprint than animal product-heavy diets. >>1344283>lifetime emissionsYou're forgetting that in production an EV has a bigger footprint, that there isn't enough lithium to make batteries for everyone, and that there's also no viable way to recycle lithium.
>>1344288Jesus Christ you illiterate inbred. We're talking about LIFETIME emissions. EVs taking somewhat more energy to build doesn't outweigh the vastly lower amount of energy they use throughout their actual service life. No matter how you try to contort yourself, there's no getting around the absolutely fact that an EV is many times cleaner than an equivalent ICE car over its life. And we are nowhere close to running out of lithium, while at the same time continuously and incrementally increasing energy density so you need less of it every year to achieve the same range. Add to that the fact that solid state batteries using other chemistries are less than 6 years away from commercial use in vehicles.Don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
>>1344276>>1344288I believe EVs are a step in the right drection because we can charge them up using renewable energy eventually. Windmills, Dam and oceans, and solar power are low maintenence harvestable energy and people dont need to die or go to war for it. Lithium isnt available for everyone? Guess they'll have to have more forethought before driving alone in their SUV to buy a cigarette lighter from the petrol station. Maybe they can carpool, bicycle, or even *shudder* walk.Lithium is non recyclable? Guess what else isnt recycleable: ****** ("nigger" is not the answer) hint: its "petrol">>1344269>>1344266>>1344259And for the record. Trains are loud as hell all across my city. Heres some noise topping 65dB from within a closed home not even close to the track. There are poor souls who live much closer than me. The vibration and horns are loud. They run about 3 an hour, through the night as well.(the y axis is time, the color pallette represent the dB. Zero noise is black at -130dB, the train horn peaks around -65)
>>1344418>taking more energy and also creating vastly more pollution through immense amounts of batteries which won't be recycled doesn't matterfuck youEVs are better than combustion cars, but certainly not to the point of being an excuse to keep up this irrational massive use of automobiles.
>>1344235The day you come to understand the economic phenomenon of 'externalities' is going to be a significant day in your life, anon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
>>1344594EVs are marginally better because they not pollute where people live, e.g. rush hour in the city center, regardless the same amount of energy is needed to move the same mass.You are absolutely right pollution is not a technical problem but a political one, at this point there is no incentive to act rationally so we are all going to suffer the consequences / die
>>1343733Planes are cool but yes, you are correct, there is no way around this until and unless ecologically harmless planes are invented.
>>1343733>thinks riding his gay bike saves shitWe're heading towards whatever temperature the scientists keep telling us we are, the only question is whether their impact predictions are right.So far, it's caused worldwide greening, and expansion of fertile soil.
>>1343759Are you suggesting we use water cages to travel between continents?
>just take a train across the atlantic, bro
>>1346128This but unironically. Think about all the money spent on useless chink shit, streaming services, etc. It would be enough to finance a transatlantic tunnel over a decade.
>>1346145not only that, but imagine all the money poured into self driving cars. Even if they are feasible and not just automated killing/suicide machines, they solve non problems, or marginal problems no one really has. We could have superfast rails all over.Thanks for the meme driven economy.
>>1346227>a world without consumerism, cars and suburbs
>>1344235Because you don't live in a bubble and your cager "freedom" is not without its effects on others. Well actually, human civilization should be abolished and we should go back to tiny tribes, this time with high technology to prevent resource struggles causing conflict again. The more humans there are, the less free an individual is. Simple as.
>>1346268>cager"self-identifies as a fringie, therefore everything that follows is more or less irrelevant">..is not without its effects on othersGuess what? We're the *majority*, therefore according to the rules of society, tough shit for someone like you, deal with it. Or stop trying to iceskate uphill and enjoy what benefits modern civilization and society has to offer instead of raging impotently against it.>human civilization should be abolished and we should go back to tiny tribes, this time with high technology to prevent resource struggles causing conflict again"""Throwing the baby out with the bathwater"""This is why no one listens to you: extremist, fringe-element attitudes and opinions, that would hurt the vast majority of everyone, benefitting basically no one.>The more humans there are, the less free an individual is. Simple as.Yeah, sure. We'll just go back to stone knives an bearskins, just to suit (((You))).Instead, I propose you go live on Public Land somewhere, in a lean-to built with all-natural materials, and you can forrage for your supper, eschewing all modern conveniences and contact with all the horrible modern people you despise so much. Enjoy living until you're maybe 40 if you're lucky, assuming an animal doesn't kill you, you die of misadventure, or disease doesn't finish you off.Fact of the matter is: you're one of those whiny crybabies who says he hates the modern world SO MUCH, thinks he was born centuries too late, but you won't give up your smartphone, computer, grocery store down the street, access to medical care, mechanized transportation of any type, and so on, and would last maybe 3 days out on your own in the wild before giving up and coming back -- yet you want to brow-beat everyone else into giving up everything we've built up.People like you are a pain in civilizations' ass.You want to help civilzation? Go away, far away.
>>1346286>We'll just go back to stone knives an bearskinsThis but unironically