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ITT we wank together about which bikes are worth their schmeckles and good for you.

Newcomers and oldfags get in here

Old thread
>>1319099
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Is this worth a shot?

Used Checker Pig roadie (expensive german brand)
>full Ultrega hardware
>brand new 9-speed sprocket set
>carbon fork
>frame height 62cm
>400€

What I want:
>having a shitty vintage roadie, that I want to upgrade
>it's not my main hobby so I'm not into dumping lots of cash
>I'm 196cm and used roadies with frame height above 60cm are hard to find
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>>1328627
It's not a bad option, if the chainrings aren't worn, the bearings are all smooth, the shifters still work well, and it rides brakes and shifts perfectly already. So worth a ride i guess, it does look pretty cool.

pic related is like 550€ off wiggle and would be a LOT better though, so I don't think it's really worth it. Maybe take 300 or 250 cash and offer that in person.
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>>1328627
Not sure if that's really worth 400 €. I'd rather think not.
Post your local Ebay Kleinanzeigen.
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480€ with a shit crank but still overall decent
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>>1328627
how shitty is your shitty vintage roadie?
post a pic?
imo if it's halfway decent just put a bit of love into that and save for something new and modern
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What bike would you get for $2,000 as a decent all rounder that also looks good?
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>>1328650
>all rounder

yeah for what though
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>>1328650
Trek Checkpoint
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>>1328643
>how shitty is your shitty vintage roadie?
>post a pic?
posted it before on /n/
My main issues are the horrible brakes. Although perfectly adjusted and new brake blocks the chrome steel rims with rifeled brake surface makes them the worst brakes ever. I literally have to brake downhill in cities because the brake path in case of danger is infinite.

Other thing is the 6-speed set transmission isn't low enough for me - there are lots of hills around. I also can't put a smaller chainring on it, it's a very rare vintage size and the screws don't allow much smaller rings.

I'd hang it on the wall because its too nice to sell.

>>1328641
I'd try to get down to 300-350
Northern Bavaria

>>1328640
The Vitus Razor is available only up to 60cm frame height. (All china bikes are too small unfortunately)
Otherwise, pretty interesting.

>>1328650
Ghost Square Cross 4.8 AL
I have a cross bike with the same frame and I like it a lot.
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>>1328625

05/09/19(Thu)12:38:16 No.1328543
I'm looking to buy a Specialized Rockhopper Pro. Should I go with the 2019 version or wait until the 2020 version is released? Assuming the price difference will be negligible.
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>>1328659
Vitus does suggest its XXL is for riders 193 - 199cm and an 87 - 92cm innerseam

your ktm is pretty shitty though lol yeah, although it's very clean and kinda cool in a beater way
those are steel rims aren't they lol
no wonder the brakes suck

Try find a better front wheel to chuck on it, the front braking is the main one by far.
Even if you're upgrading still keep it for a beater cos it's so clean if you have the space.
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>>1328659
sorry anon i didn't really read your post before speculating about steel wheels or no

are you the one by any chance in the other thread saying i'm full of shit suggesting people don't buy bikes with stem shifters, claw derailer hangers, and suicide levers?
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>>1328627
don't buy a bike with old school handlebar position, you'll regret not upgrading the most significant thing in road bikes in 40 years.
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>>1328666
>saying i'm full of shit
Could likely be, I'm shitposting here all day.
Although I don't remember your specific described scenario.

>suggesting people don't buy stem shifters
Well I bought one myself...
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>>1328684
Whats the difference between old- and newschool?
Why is it significant?
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>>1328684
it's not like you can't just change the handlebars
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>>1328659
>Northern Bavaria
Looked up some big boi bikes for you up to 100km around Nürnberg. Search for the numbers on Ebay Kleinanzeigen.
I'm 199cm, so I just recommend what I would consider myself, which is 64, 63 and 62 cm frames.
1115355830
>possibly your cheapest option.
1116873238
>love the polished alu.
1116408026
>looks very well taken care of, good components too.
1086834730
>reasonably priced, much better than your initial suggestion for only 100 € more.
1088270213
>cheap and probably better than your current bike.
1082919550
>expensive but you might try to haggle a bit.
1077409796
>vintage
914993771
>rad af.
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Is the black stealth look played out? I really dig it
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>>1328756
>t.
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>>1328625
hey guys
I was thinking of picking up biking (e.g. to work) and need a bike
As I'm no bike enthusiast, I don't wanna spend more than 400€(German here), the less the better
Maybe later, if I find it to be the right thing, I'm ready to spend more
Which one do you have/would you suggest?
Was thinking of a cross bike since there's woods on the way to work and close to home, but also lots of streets
No E-Bikes though (even though I'm sure you won't get one for that money)
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>>1328763
You don't want to spend less than 500€ on a new bike. If you do, I can already tell you that you'll find it not to be the right thing.
So post your local Ebay Kleinanzeigen and your height and we'll give you tips.
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>>1328780
What would you suggest at 500€?
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>>1328663
at least wait until the 2020's spec is released to see how it compares, and if it's the same or close enough get a discounted 2019 once the 2020's hit the stores.
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>>1328781
https://www.fahrrad-xxl.de/raymon-urbanray-2-0-x0039935
This is a good starting point when you don't know what kind of riding you want to do. Lights and fenders make it perfect for biking to work, and you'll be able to go on some forest paths, too.
Brakes aren't what I call good, but they're adequate, and the other components are good quality for the price.
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What bike to get to make others envious?
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>>1328821
Butterfly Trek Madone
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>>1328640
>>1328641
So I just came back from looking at the Checker Pig.
Didn't buy it, it was quite shite.
The first gear was clacking and I couldn't even shift into the big chainring because it was so badly adjusted.
It's all Ultrega but the wear from the past 12 years was quite present. Shifters were wonky and worn and so was the deraillieur.

>>1328700
I love you already, but most are quite far away. I'll give it a detailed look when I have time.
Problem is I neither have a car nor the time to drive around for hours.
Most Kleinanzeigen/Craigslist sellers are lying and visits are often for nothing. Last time I drove 80km and the seller wasn't even there.

>>1328763
Most important thing for biking to work are splashguards around the tires. You will ride in the rain, I learned it the hard way.
If you wan't a good deal just crave german online bikeshops for special offers.

Otherwise local bikeshops can be worth a shot!
Don't buy junk bikes from Decathlon or Real,-
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>>1328763
same, but American. last time I asked I just got bullied.
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>>1328625
I haven't ridden a bike since I was about 12. Rec me something cheap from academy/walmart/etc that I can go grab and enjoy.
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>>1328835
Giant Escape 2
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>>1328848
is this a meme
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>>1328847
>Rec me something
>from academy/walmart/etc
no
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>>1328851
Yeah, it's the closest you can get to a rigid MTB with slicks in a new bike. And those are a meme for a reason.
It's cheap, versatile and good.
It doesn't come with disc brakes or suspension fork, which are garbage at that price point.
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>>1328847
Don't go any worse than the bottom tier of bike direct.

For a cheap, fun ride, try the Nano.
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>>1328835
This board is elitist af. Reddit is much more welcoming to new cyclists. More informative too.
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>>1328866
>This board is elitist af
Sorry for trying to steer new cyclists away from shitty department store bikes.
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>>1328866
I'm not really into it at all, I've had bikes as a kid and temporarily in certain cities when it was more practical than a car or bus. Cyclists and their communities make little sense to me. They're everybody's enemy from their POV, always pissed off and spending absurd amounts of money on equipment that they probably aren't strong enough to take advantage of anyway. I can't think of another hobby/sport that meshes with daily life and is that cancerous without being a literal crime.
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>>1328871
>They're everybody's enemy from their POV
>and i hate them
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>>1328876
where does my post say that
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>>1328876
>tfw no cyclist gf
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Looking for an affordable bike because the weather is finally not shit and I'm dying without a bike.

https://www.marseillebicycles.com/route/fyxation-pixel-2019/

Is this a good buy? (In maple dollars).
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>>1328876
Is it uncomfortable riding with handlebars that low relative to the seat post? I don't think I could manage it
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>>1328882
I'm sure she's assumed the position many times so it's quite natural for her
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>>1328881
It's your run-of-the-mill fixie. There isn't much that could break on it. It's safe to assume that it's a harsh ride (Hi-Ten steel frame), it's heavy for what it is, brakes are shit and will be hard to adjust properly, and the hubs may rust quickly if you ride it in the rain. It doesn't mention any model names for any of the components and there's a reason for that.
You could do a lot better buying used.
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>>1328882
The faster you go, the more comfortable it gets.
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>>1328882
That’s not even a very big drop.
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Having trouble finding bikes for decent price in 58cm in Montreal.
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https://www.canyon.com/en-de/road-bikes/gravel-bikes/grail/grail-al-7.0/2196.html

Is there something better for ther price?
Only weighs 9.4kg as well, so 1-2 kg lighter than the entry gravel bikes.

However it is not available anywhere....
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>>1328890
I'm sorry to hear that, anon.
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>>1328879
does anyone here have experience doing delivery gig apps on a bike?
Howcome I never see it here? I'm fairly interested but it's probably a clusterfuck.
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>>1328866
You should go back and stay there, then.
>>1328871
I'm pretty involved in my region's cycling community and I don't sense that sort of victimhood complex at all from the community at large. There are some activists who are like that, but by and large most people just want to ride and are happy to share the roads and paths and trails with motorists, scooterists, joggers, mountain walkers, doges, and the odd blader. Big spenders with large stables of bikes are rare too. I'm considered to be a bit of a maniac with my 7 bikes.
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>>1328920
vagabo/n/d-dono

it's a clusterfuck because uber/grubhub/postmates would rather have 50 FOBS working for 40 bucks a day then 15 delivery riders who would make 150 a day.

Do work for a store that has bike delivery to get expeirence, then use that as your resume to get into a private company.

in short the gig economy used to be great but now it's fucking shit because illegeals and legals taking the jobs of hard working bikers. But if you know your shit there is still a nitche.

Personally, i'm converting to working pedicabbing. much better, easier money, higher payout, less managers bitching at me. No fucking storeniggers complaining that you don't do real work while you risk your life on the road delivering their shitty sandwitches only to be stiffed for tips and coming back to base and being told to sweep the store or some menial shit like that.

also backpack is ok, but loading a cargo bike is best. keep weight off your back for larger orders and lets you work the bike harder. Ideally get a back with 4 connections - the traditional shoulder straps, a strap connecting the shoulder straps, and a 2nd waist strap that is independent of the first two so you can swing the bag around your body without taking it off, this lets you fully dig through the bag to find the right order quickly without wasting time restrapping it.

Every second matters in delivery. Be as fast as possible to get there, recover on the ride home. learn to grab rides from cars, learn to see the flow of traffic, blast music as loud as you can and never, ever, stop unless you're paid too.
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>>1328932
fobs on a bike? I've ordered tons of ubereats and I've only ever gotten one bike delivery, it certainly wasn't a fob.
I've gotten a few of them that are obviously ethopian or some other meme immigrant of the month but that's really died down for the past year.
t. fatass board tourist
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>>1328934
No, the fobs all have clean driving records because they're fresh off the boat and are working for 3-4 companies at a time.

That's the issue. A biker can only do food while the fobbies can do food on the side.

no, the issue is there are too many fobs and they drive down wages. A biker who'd work hard and do 3 deliveries an hour isn't really a match to 4 fobs sitting on their dick doing 1 each.

stiff car delivery. Tip bikers.
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>>1328949
>stiff car delivery. Tip bikers.
I've literally never tipped on uber
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>>1328876
>shes holding $7.000 in her hands
>thats more than some people pay for their motorcycle
>not even complex mechanics like a suspension
>I once bought a car for $350 and used it for a year
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>>1329133
If bought new that would be...let's see
>$6k frameset
>$3k groupset
>$3,500 wheels
>ballpark $1k for everything else
so $13,500 at least. but that's the bicycle equivalent of a Ferrari 488 GTB so yeah
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>>1329133
>comparing new prices with used
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>>1329133
I once bought a bicycle for $20 and used it for a year.
Generally, a bikes costs 1/20 of a car. This is true over the entire price range.

>cheap A to B vehicle, used
Bike: $150, Car: $3000
>cheapest you can get new
Bike (not BSO): $500, Car: $10000
>good, new, no frills
Bike: $1000, Car: $20000
>High end sports machine
Bike: $10000+, Car: $200000+
>most expensive ever sold
Bike: $500000, Car: $12500000
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>>1329150
bike scrap value: 3 dollars
car: 300
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>>1328650
$2k’s a lot of shekels to chuck at an all-rounder. Most of the time past $1.5k you see some serious specialisation. Carbon frames with no eyelets, or so on.
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>>1328892
Help
Why are the good bikes never available?
I don't want to wait half a year for a bike, just so it arrives in the winter.
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do people even buy bikes still, or is everything an electric bike?
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>>1329142
What money do I have to invest to get a job done, eg. owning a car to get from A to B.
Of course I compare new vs. used costs to finde the best value for the money that does the job.

>expensive bikes
Most ppl ITT consider used vs. new for a good value bike deal

New vs. used gets compared all the time
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>>1329192
Comparing used cars to new bikes and saying "bikes are expensive" makes no sense.
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Why are BMC bikes so expensive?
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>>1328625
I'm from the country but moving to a larger city where it is feasible to bike everywhere. I need suggestions on a supppppper cheap bike for a newbie. Hoping to get something very traditional European-esqe and muted to lower it's risk of theft and hide my cheapness
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>>1329202
A car has several powers more manufacturing and engineering cost compared to bikes.
So when the price of a not even very light and not even very complex bike surpasses the price of a new car it is of course granted to say "this bike is fucking expensive"
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>>1329204
Because they're Swiss
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>>1329214
Do you think they're worth it?
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>>1329219
If money was no object I'd definitely get one, love those straight top tubes and no visible cables/wires
But there are plenty of other brands that make bikes of the same quality for a fraction of the price.
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I've been looking at craigslist for a couple hours and hiding everything that's not a road bike, but at this point I don't know enough to actually choose something. I set max price to $125. I think I have that much in the bank.

Pic related is just one of many. Gravity Avenue for $125. It seems somewhat modern and has an aluminum frame. Is it any good?
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>>1329212
The cheapest available new car is $10k.
That's the price of the most expensive available bikes, which "not even very light and not even very complex" definitely doesn't apply to.
A $10k bike is a carbon fiber racing machine that was designed using the same technology that is used to design race cars (wind tunnels, computer modelling, teams of highly specialized engineers using CAD software, etc.)
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>>1329208
pls help.
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>>1329239
>"not even very light and not even very complex" definitely doesn't apply to.
But it applies to the bike on the pic with the girl

>same technology that is used to design race cars
You have no idea out of what components the pricepoint of a consumer product is put together.
A car has >1000kg of all kinds of materials. Bike on pic has >7kg of few materials.
That alone should make you understand the price relations
The bike on pic with girl isnt even very aero so no windtunnel optimizations here.
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>>1329243
>A car has >1000kg of all kinds of materials. Bike on pic has >7kg of few materials.
>That alone should make you understand the price relations
On a high end bike, you pay upwards of $2000 for every kg it DOESN'T have.
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>>1329243
The bike in the pic isn't worth $10k so you can't compare it to new cars, since new cars for $7k don't exist in the US.
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>>1329208
>>1329241
Go to your local Kleinanzeigen / Craigslist and pic a bike you like. I have two city beaters in two different cities and payed 50€ for each.
Afterwards you will learn what you need/want and you can invest into something more expensive
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cars and bikes are apples and oranges.
anyway I still can't find a bike. I feel like it should have disc brakes, even if they aren't great since I could upgrade them later, because it rains here a lot. my price limit is around 500. I know there's the giant escape 2 and kona dew that get shilled here a lot, but I'd be willing to buy used and I'd like to save money if possible.
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>>1329251
I bought a Ghoste Square Cross with hydraulic discs for 500€ new and the disc brakes are awesome. Even two years later.
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>>1329254
It's 700 here, same price as a kona dew plus. A bit out of my budget.
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>>1328787
Any idea when the specs get released? I assumed it would be around this time of year.
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Got this bell before for when I had an older Dura Ace set - mirrycle incredibell road bell

Now since 2010, the hoods have phimosis, and can't be peeled back anymore on STI brakes. What to buy as a replacement?
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>>1329308
thought this was a woman showing off her butt in red pants from the thumbnail
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>>1329308
how does that work? a second clamp?
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>>1329311
https://bicycletouringpro.com/incredibell-road-bell-bicycle-bell-road-review/

Comes with a spacer.
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>>1329250
what sort of bike should I be looking for to communte to the grocery store and back probably 5-10 minute ride. Ill be living on the 4 floor too... Do you just stuff the bitch in the elevator?
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>>1329402
Buy a cheap used bike that fits you, works and has a rack. Lock it up outside if it doesn't fit in the elevator.
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congratulations to the giant shill, I gave in and bought one today.
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>>1329402
I would seriously consider a minivelo.
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>>1329517
>>1329517
You have 2 options

1. Ride a real race bike with a decent backpack

2. MINIVELO ASSSSS FUUUUUUAAAAACCCCCKKKKK
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I never had a road bike, but I've been watching for those aero giant bikes.
can't be a big deal having an aero race bike with no comfort right? I can get used to it, I believe. I just want to go fast
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>>1328790
>https://www.fahrrad-xxl.de/raymon-urbanray-2-0-x0039935

Basic Kinesis AL frame and fork.
Shimano 315 hydraulics.
A mutt of an Acera mix drivetrain, 8 speed.
Hub dynamo wheel.
Basic wheelset.

The AL fork is the worst part I think. Hydraulic Brakes are actually very good for such a low end bike. The fork and fender clearance means you shouldn't be riding very much offroad.

Looks like a the best bottom tier trekking commuter you can expect. Add some portage of course to carry your things.


>>1328851
Now and then. It's still adequate in the trashy low end hybrid class. You really shouldn't ride that thing offroad at all, like an old steel mtb, or say a Muriwood type because of the aluminum fork.

>>1329526
Your legs make you go fast. Getting aero just keeps the wind from holding you back from going faster.
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>>1329509
thanks for the confirmation, that earns me extra shekels.
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>>1329535
I want my first road bike to be blue/black, full carbon and aero. this one unfortunately comes with v brakes. I don't want to explode the rim because I brake too much on the descend
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>>1329538
SOlution - go zip zip zooooooooom through danger

detatch your brakes for safety so you don't accidentally go slow
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>>1329309
Yeah, me too. While waving with her tophat and being fed through a tube into an iron mask enclosing her face.
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>>1329539
I had a bad time with v brakes, I want to stick with disk brakes, but they make the bike more expensive
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>>1329542
Disk forks are cheap tho, and the rear wheel shouldn't be used for primary braking, only speed modulation. So really, what's your excuse for not

1. Trading wheel for disk wheel (free if you know a good shop or can pull the homeless card)
2. Disk fork (100 for a surly disk fork)
3. Disk break (100 for a hyrd)
4. The comfort and pleasure of disk powered hydraulic breaking with the ease of cable pull matinence and reliability (like 200 and sweat)
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>>1329549
thanks for clearing me that out, I'll stick to it and buy that 2.5k bike, one day
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>>1329549
>Disk forks are cheap tho, and the rear wheel shouldn't be used for primary braking, only speed modulation.
>not braking, slowing down
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Is this a good buy for entry-level touring road bike? "Felt Verza Speed 30 Bike (2016)"
$325
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>>1329569
>touring road bike
That's a hybrid. But yeah not bad for $325 assuming that's full hydro.
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$640 canadian before tax
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>>1329572
>going downhill, unsuspicious day with nice weather
>you can just make out a large tanker that has crashed spilling copious amounts of aviscous fluids onto the road
>die
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>>1329572
Isn't paddy a slur for irish people?
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>>1329580
not sure I follow.
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>>1329549
>buy expensive new carbon aero road frame
>swap fork for a surly
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>>1329538
If you're braking so much that you cause a tube to go boom, you're also braking so much that you'll overheat a disc and start experiencing fade and crash. Learn proper braking technique, how to pick lines, and otherwise git gud.
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>>1329646
Reduce road buzz like a motherfucker

Slap a front rack on that pos
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>>1329659
Roger that, I know that I need to brake like a firearm, trying not to get overheated
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>>1329526
Just get a basic roadie with a drop bar first and see if this is for you before going full aero.

>>1329569
looks pretty good

>>1329570
Roadies with straight bar without fenders without suspension are called fitness bikes here.
Classic tourers/trekkers have fenders and some suspension.
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>>1329542
>disk brakes, but they make the bike more expensive
The odd thing is, this currently seem to apply only to road bikes / racers.
Even entry level/low tier MTB/crossbikes/citybikes have hydraulic discs nowadays but a proper roadie with hydraulic discs is pretty expensive.
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>>1329757
Bike industry is soaking people with fresh memes. I really don't get how road cyclists manage to have a bad time with any caliper brakes made in the last couple of decades except maybe for the ones with garbon wheelsets.
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>>1329758
I see that you don't own a bike with hydro disks.
Technology advances.
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Have you guys heard of Mason bikes? Any opinion on them?
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>>1329764
>Mason bikes

Dom Mason was the lead designer for Kinesis UK. He's been advocating for the gravel/adventure meme for years. Think of him as a slightly less wacky Grant Peterson.

They're very good for what they are, but what they are is also dura ace racing prices. At that price range, your'e also considering boutique frames, and full custom frames.

I'm curious on exactly how 3d printed titanium performs or if and why it makes any sense at all to use that technique.
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This is too much right?

https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-cannondale-caad3-r1000-ultegra/6882166983.html
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>>1329793
it's cool
but if you've got $650 for a road bike just get a new giant contend 3, it's a better bike.

also the boomer who slams the seatpost and raises the hideous 2 piece welded stem on their wall hanger should be taken out to the alley and shot. It's not 'rare' either.
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>>1329793
HHNNNGGG I'd make sweet sweet love to that frame man
Seems rather pricy, but then again it looks like it's almost in NOS condition, it was mid-to-high-end on its time, and you probably won't come across the same bike in your life again.
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>>1329793

it's been up for sale for weeks. maybe people in the area dont want to go down all the way to sheepshead people or the guy is just being a dick on negotiating.

been checkin CL everyday for a nice single speed/fixed gear
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>>1329793
Price seems ok but it's a collectors price.
If you just want a proper, good value bike get something else instead.
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>>1329801
>>1329802
>>1329804
>>1329805

Thanks friends. I'm really just lusting after the look, I think. I live in CT so driving down to BK adds a whole nother dimension of unworthiness
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>>1329802
>you probably won't come across the same bike in your life again.
haha what ?
decent old cads are a diamond dozen

the actually rare, cooler version of a vintage US alum race bike is the Klein Quantum
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>>1329587
he's saying your bike is dangerous
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>>1329806
a totally clean never ridden nice old bike just makes me sad
hold out and one day you can find a cool vintage cad/klein for WAY less with some nice patina and fix it up a bit

cads are very common, heaps were sold back in the day
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Hey lads, I'm pretty new to this but I was looking for some recommendations for a solid commuter bike that'll last me a while. I commute on Long Island so there's no hills, it rains fairly often, and the roads look like they'd be more at home in Aleppo. It's about 8 miles total each day with some recreational easygoing riding on the weekends. I don't really do offroad stuff (Though the roads here could be considered offroad in spots), so that's not much of a consideration.

I currently ride a Specialized Roubaix SL4 that I bought off a coworker for super cheap, but the slim tires don't feel great or hold up well on the mortar-shelled roads here. I do enjoy the bike a lot, but it feels better suited to sticking to the paved bike paths rather than a daily commuter sort of deal.

Some bikes that caught my eye at the top of my budget range (Around ~$2k) are the Priority 600 and the Spot Acme, both of which seem like they're built to last with quality stuff, easy to maintain, look nice, and will handle what I'm looking for while lasting me a long time into the future. Anyone have any experience with these, or have thoughts on whether they're worth the price tag compared to other options?
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>>1329821
Most important thing for commuting is fenders. You will ride in the rain and no fender = no bueno. Also look for disc brakes.

If the pavement is as crap as you claim I'd suggest you two options:
1. Fixed frame + fixed fork with fat road tires, just like the Priority 600. Big advantage is your bike is very simple, nothing breaks and you get away cheaply.
I wouldn't pick the Priority 600 because it has a meme gearbox wich makes it expensive and difficult to fix.
Consider a hub shift like the Shimano Nexus. These things last forever without any service needed ever.

2. Something fully suspended with less fat road tires + fenders (difficult to find nowadays, though it was quite common in the past)
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>>1329859
absolute nonsense post
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>>1329526
You’ll go faster and farther if you’re comfortable
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Checker Pig faggot here from second post
>>1328627

After craving my Kleinanzeigen and lots of onlineshops + local store I pulled the trigger on the Triban RC 520 for 850€.
It has 105 configuration and semi-hydraulic 160mm discs.

If I don't like it, I'll give it back.
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>>1329821
>>1329859
Get a fixie with ties or clipless pedals, and learn to bunnyhop

You'll be much better off

nothing more then 25c schwalbe marathon pro tyres (Which are closer to 26c tbch)
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Schwinn Prelude for $100 sound worth it? It worries me that Walmart sells it, but it's an aluminum road bike with drop bars and shimano shifters.
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>>1329973
>>1329973
argue for 70$. say the tyres look warn, the chain shows wear and you'll probably need to readjust the shifting.

worst don't go over 80.

t. jewish homeless guy
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>>1329976
The guy was super nice and haggling sounded awkward. I do appreciate the tip, though. The ad actually said something about having new tires also.
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>>1329994
Does the chain show rust

Are the pedals your style (hint - you always ride another kind of pedal)

Are the handlebars connected with a 2 bolt or a 4 bolt?

is the saddle up to snuff (it is not)

Are you going to see him or is he going to see you (that's at least 10% off for gas)

You gotta think more jewish anon. Of course he's nice, but you're nice too, and if you're really friends then you two can make a deal so he will get money and you will keep some money too.

plus honestly, schwinn is a garbage brand these days and i mean, when you say shifters, do you mean friction shifters or are they grip shifters mounted on drop bars?
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>>1329994
and you're not haggling. You're sending out a pricing offer to allow an easier buisness deal. you're finding out how much he values it.

remind him that this is a starter bike and it's not something that transfers value - it won't take better parts, it'll always be this crappy.
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I'm undecided between these two bikes:

Cinelli Zydeko http://cinelli.it/en/prodotti/zydeco-en/
Cinelli Hobootleg http://cinelli.it/en/prodotti/hobootleg-en/

Both are the same price (1400€)
What do you think
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>>1330014
The Zydeko looks cooler and has disks.
Found both for under 1250€ online, didn't expect cinellis to be that cheap
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>>1330020
The bike shop told me the list price is about 1500€ but he's selling them at 1390€
How do these things work exactly? I don't understand
Does Cinelli sell them at x (assuming < 1000€ depending on the deal between the bike shop and Cinelli), suggests them to be sold at 1500€ and each bike shop decides the price in between that range?
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>>1330014
those are two radically different types of bikes. what kind of riding are you gonna do?
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>>1330024
The suggested price is alway communicated quite high by manufacturers so retailers can "cut" them and simulate discounts to the customer.

Store price (ex tax) is put together by the buying price of an item (say $1k) + overhead costs to keep the business running (paying employees, the store rent, the janitor, the store marketing etc.) of say $100 per item + the actual profit margin of say $100 per item. This would land at a nominal shelve price of $1200. Higher on the beginning of the season, lower at the end.
Online sellers have much lower overhead costs and receive potential discounts for buying bulk.

To fire up sales they can cut their profit margin on the main item completely and speculate that you'll buy accessories with it which will deliver the store profit.

Eg. Best buy doesn't make profit from selling tv's, they make profit with the $20 HDMI cable that you have to buy with it

Direct retailing manufacturers such as Poseidon can offer a lot cheaper because less people suck money on the path to the customer.
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>>1330036
Mostly weekend riding (plane) for 3/4h
But I also want to start travelling more often on a bike
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>>1329999
I believe they are friction shifters, and they're on the downtube

Didn't check handlebar bolts. I went to see him. Was a far drive but traffic was good. I'll try to remember some of this for next time. I am loving the bike, though.

>>1330004
What do you mean it won't take better parts? I haven't got the money for upgrades anyway, but I didn't know of such limitations.
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>>1330050
the zydeco will be lighter, faster and handle nimbler
it will accelerate, brake and shift faster too
And if you actually have good local gravel riding it's definitely the one to go for.

But i'd get the other one if you're serious about touring, unless you want to do shorter credit card or ultralight tours. Because the zydeco won't take a front rack so you're limited to frame bags and a bikepacking setup. The gearing isn't as wide. You won't like touring on the more aggressive position unless you're already a strong flexible roadie, and the branding is (while cool for sure) pretty obnoxious to take to poorer places.

The touring bike with some supple tyres would still be somewhat fun to ride unloaded.

Ultimately though, get the one that speaks to you more. That's the one you'll ride more. They're both nice bikes.
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Any tips or thoughts on https://www.canyon.com/road-bikes/endurance-bikes/endurace/endurace-cf-sl-disc-8.0/2185.html ?
I currently ride an AL 105 road bike, and after long days in the saddle I usually suffer. I am a CANYON fanboy, I think they look great, and I would like to make an upgrade. I am hoping getting an Endurance geometry bike and then a proper bike fit will end my woes.

Most people only ever talk about the ultimate or the aeroad, it seems, but I'm not looking to race. I want a comfortable road bike that's still fast and that's a step up from what I ride now. Any advice is welcome, this would be my 2nd bike
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>>1330593
What exactly is hurting though? This could be a fit issue, it could be a core strength issue, it could be a technique issue, maybe your tires are just overinflated.
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>>1330597
>>1330593
Also don't fall for the "endurance bikes are the panacea for everything" meme. Despite the edgy stock photos of tattooed dirtbags in their 20s, they're really meant for elderly boomers with inflexible torsos. Maybe that's you, but don't assume that.
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>>1330597
My neck and back mostly. I personally believe it is a fit issue, I often feel like I have to overstretch somewhat on my bike, as if the frame is bigger than it should be for me. I've regularly adjusted things but I seem to just go from one problem into another.

I'm kind of doubting between the ultimate and the endurance now - thinking the endurance will be a safe choice with a proper fit to end my woes, or at least decisively confirm that I am the problem and my body isn't capable of handling extremely long rides
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>>1330606
For future reference it's called the Endurace, not Endurance. Canyon just farmed out their website to blithering morons just like they do with every other aspect of their operation, so the entire internet is confused about what the bike is called

Anyway the Endurace and the Ultimate aren't that far apart in geometry, about 1cm stack/reach, compared to the "race" vs "endurance" geometries of some other brands. The Aeroad is where things get really aggressive. Have you compared the geometry to your current bike? What's the delta?
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>>1329939
Thanks for the update! I think you did good.
Are those HyRd brakes? How do you like them and the bike in general so far?
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>>1330598
I can't stand endurance geo. I feel like I'm going so fucking slow and putting in twice the effort, and Strava always verifies that what I'm feeling is legit.
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>>1330606
What kind of training do you do outside of cycling? If you arent actively weight lifting to increase your core strength you will have these issues forever. Cycling wont build the necessary muscles.
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>>1330802
I ordered it online, it now gets delivered to the local store. This saves me the shipping cost.
I can hopefully pick it up later that week.

Yes they are TRP Hy/Rd with Jagwire bowdens
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>>1330807
He said neck so this is probably not just a core strength issue, although it could be that too.
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what do you guys think of these bikes? they're both local

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-Track-Pro-Pista-fixed-gear-messenger-NJS-Deda-commuter-velodrome/163685604020
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Look-AL464P-Track-Pista-fixed-gear-messenger-commuter-bike-NJS-velodrome/163685652801
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>>1330859

also this guy seems to be having trouble selling this one

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Fuji-Track-Pro/303149250719

i'm about 6'1 and afraid it's going to be a tad too small
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>>1330859
>>1330862
You have to decide if you wan't to invest into a fixed gear machine.
They are the most retarded bikes around, especially without brakes.
Except you are serious about riding Velodrome
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I took the time to measure my bike and compare it to the listed sizes on the internet, and interestingly I ride a 56 frame. The bike store told me it was a 54, I didn't bother checking it. According to the website I should be riding a 54 frame. I don't know how big the difference is, but perhaps that's the reason. Picture related are the geometries, respectively. I am 173cm tall. I've put 19000km on it in since I started riding it.

I had a look at the geometry of the CANYON, but I'm having a hard time crunching the numbers and seeing how they affect me.
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So I picked it up from the store today and well, quite diggin it so far!
It's no lightweight and no heavyweight bike, pretty much what you expect from something where you could mount 38mm meme gravel tires.

The 28mm road tires go up to 8 bars, perfect for me.

The shifting is supertight and one of the best I've had so far.

Not so sure about the 160mm semi hydro brakes. Theres definetly some sponginess to them. My cheap 140mm full hydros on my crossbike feel less spongy. But its's too early to judge the brakes of course.

As many others wrote online, I had to pull both brake bowdens first to make the brakes tight enough.

Positionwise I'm laying quite flat on the bike, the 120mm stem is doing it's thing. I might get a shorter one.

And don't ask, the pedals get replaced soon with spds.

>>1330802
>>1330830
>>1329939
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What kind of rear light should I buy? ~$40 on amazon
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>>1331522

I got like 4 of these (usb chargeable):
https://m.de.aliexpress.com/item/32427953925.html?pid=808_0003_0101

With lasers:
https://m.de.aliexpress.com/item/32959496317.html?pid=808_0003_0101

this looks good also:
https://m.de.aliexpress.com/item/32863002674.html?pid=808_0003_0101

Full retard:
https://m.de.aliexpress.com/item/32938509958.html?pid=808_0003_010120
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>>1331527
Ah, sorry, it has to be Amazon. Got a gift card.
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>>1331522
>>1331530
find testacle lights on amazon
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>>1331535
There are women in my riding group XD
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>>1331538
Ride naked and yell out MALE POWER every time you pass them

it's like you don't want to get laid. Do you attract women by being a woman, anon?
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>>1331551
Unironically
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>>1331551
>>1331538
>>1331552
Must be a tranny cycling group.
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>>1331552
Dude, i'm hitting on this girl, so i yelled at her gay co-worker where she worked

"Yo dude, do me a solid and cover your hot coworker so i can hit on her"

you gotta be bold. Does your penis do a worm dance to get to the pussy, or do you hold her down, look right into her eyes and smash that puss with the force of an alpha male
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Looking for a bike for daily commutes of 5 miles
Is the Carrera crossfire 2 for £300 a good choice
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>>1331573
>Carrera crossfire 2
It's kind of a piece of shit with the suspension fork. Consider going one step cheaper to a rigid fork.
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>>1329133
>not even complex mechanics like a suspension
this, I understand that a light bike is nice and all, but at least some MTBs have tech enough to allow more comfortable/controllable rides on several surfaces, road bikes seems to be the most simple but some their prices are quite high.
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Recommend me a mechanical bell, thats loud and doesn't look like a turd on a bar.
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>>1331792
>GoT Reaction image
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>>1331817
>so:yposting
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>>1331818
Reddit is more your speed.
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>>1331820
About 3 mph on the sidewalk is yours, while furiously jingling your bell that everyone ignores and laughs at you.
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alright faggots, i wanna build a budget 24 bmx/dirtjumper out of an old womens/kids mtb or similar geometry

Im trying to avoid spending hundreds on a 24" bmx frame and my local CL doesnt have any bmx at a good price that arent sized for toddlers.

So what are your thoughts on building a budget 24 cruiser? I'm mostly trying to cruise around town and have the option to trick around and visit the skatepark unlike my road commuter

I found a few kids mountain bikes that have an okay geometry for this build on CL

Thoughts?
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>>1331885
The 220's are fine, albeit heavy. With the one I grew up on and eventually sold, I'd much rather have my Mirraco twenty40. I think weight will be your big big tradeoff between kids bikes and 24'' bmx frame, something I fairly value with bmx.

Post your CL!

>>1331736
Paint it yourself dude. Shit's not that hard
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>>1331892
sucks to live in a third world country, I guess.
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>>1331905
there are plenty of bike paths in berlin. don't pretend that there are bike paths everywhere in your meme country
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>>1331900
here's what i found in a relatively local area

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/d/webster-schwinn-promax-bike/6887087167.html
https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-chili-trek-24-mountain-bike/6886633865.html
https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/d/springwater-diamond-back-24-bmx/6882755566.html
https://buffalo.craigslist.org/bik/d/bowmansville-trek-mt220-kids-mountain/6882141182.html
https://buffalo.craigslist.org/bid/d/buffalo-trek-mt200-kids-bike/6874806389.html
https://buffalo.craigslist.org/bik/d/barker-girls-20-inch-gt/6867212886.html

the diamondback is a bit high price but comparable to a diy build price
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>>1331885
Heyo, bmx cruiser man here, its a really good idea and if you can find even a shitty 24 frame with adjustable dropouts they are incredibly fun to ride around, i have 2 and im still looking for more, its literally the best wheelsize for general bmx other than 26 and a frame like that should do, but you should really look on your local classifieds for a 24 inch bmx frame or complete, even if its beaten up you can swap parts out for cheap if you can find them. make sure that your hubs arent joytech or some other walmart brand and you should be fine with single walls. need any help with a good frame pick or anything gimme a >>
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I've put an eye on this, I would have prefer the traditional v brake, but I dislike the external cables, which brand has integrated v brake?
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>>1331988
>$6000 buckeroos
>comes with fake hybrid frankenbrakes
Do Americans really?
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>>1331990
if you get traditional brakes you will have hard times re selling it when disk brakes becomes the norm
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>>1331992
Nonsense. You won't be able to sell it for the price you paid for it but the only people who expect to do that is dumb ass boomers selling their 9 year old Trek hybrids for 80% of what they paid for it and getting pissy when someone offers them fair market value.

Don't buy a bike you can't afford.
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why is the fuji feather and track impossible to find in canada
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>>1331997
what if I like this bike so much I won't never resell it? I won't lose anything. I believe they offer life time warranty for the major components so there's nothing to worry about
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>ride a 2015 Diverge A1 with Claris groupset
>really want a new bike
>really like Canyon
>see if bank will give me loan ($2800) to buy new bike
>get denied
>credit could use improving
>both my credit cards are near maxed out (~17K)
>decide to pay off at least one then try for new bike
>somehow happen across that applying and getting anoter credit card can improve credit (credit utilization or something)
>apply for a 3rd one through my bank
>figure I'll get around $1500
>the madman approve me for little over 12K credit line
>all thoughts of improving credit go out the window
>hit canyon's site and spec out the bike I want
>pic related
>gonna take a lot of self control to not buy it or hit my LBS and see what they have to offer


Someone please tell me dropping $7K on a new bike is a really bad decision.
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>>1332008
Then I guess you won. I'm just saying don't treat a bike as an investment. That's what the housing market and meme company IPOs are for. This post brought to you by Jollibee (PSE:JFC).
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>>1332011
Jesus, here I was feeling bad for thinking about dipping into my home down payment funds to buy a $2000 bike.
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>>1332011
you're being stupid and should pay off your credit cards before you buy a new bike. being up to your eyeballs in debt is a bad idea.
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>>1332011
Pay off your credit card/unscheduled debt first, don't let it snowball
Then splurge on a new bike and do it all over again
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>>1332011
that looks dangerously cool, if it weren't for the yellow markers. couldn't paint them in red?
the bike I'm interested is 6k$ and it would be my first and last road bike, I'm willing to spend that much if it makes me feel better. it's not like I have other things to pay, maybe a new drum set but I can wait for it.
of course it's rationally not a good decision, but then what's the fun in life, always choosing something you may regret after or not fully satisfied? I want to go right for the perfect bike for me. look how it's flaming...
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>>1332012
Are you saying invest in Jollibee
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>>1332025
My only hold up right now is come September I'll be out to sea ALOT, like 200+ days over a year's time frame and I would hate to drop that much on a bike and have it sit while I'm at sea. On the upside, when I go back to shore for good in '21 I'll be able to ride as much as I want.
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>>1332025
You're buying an aero road bike as your FIRST road bike? Why would you do that?
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>>1332031
That's sound very risky. I'd never lay my eyes off an expensive bike.
Maybe I'll put a microchip GPS or something inside the frame
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>>1332011
Dropping 7k on a new bike is not necessarily a bad idea.

Dropping 7k on a new bike when you're already heavily leveraged is solo breakaway on an uphill headwind in the first 10 percent of the race kind of stupid.

You should be paying down your debt, and you should be drafting. I bet there's dentists in your market buying hydraulic disc road bikes right now, and you could pick up a serious wheelset upgrade or n+1 for cheap.

Keep the credit line available for emergencies, like crash replacement. Who knows. Maybe when it's time to buy, you'll be aeroad kind of fit, or want to try TT, or want something more suited for the cobblestones.

>>1332025
accounting for n+1 and crash replacement should be in your calculations anon.

>>1332029
Are you a believer in spaghetti, fried chicken, hamburgers, and whatever in gods name that purple yam fruit salad is?

>>1331988
What kind of traditions are you thinking about here?

>>1331736
Knog oi?
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>>1332034
because it's what my heart says so.
I love sprints and my body can handle the discomfort, even for long rides, I'm positive
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>>1332038
I mean caliper brakes, those the majority of roadies have I guess
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>>1332040
You can sprint on a standard road race bike, anon. You're literally doing what freds do. Buying something based on the rider you wish you were, instead of riding first, and learning what kind of rider you actually are.

Bike technology is only getting better by the year. You're going to feel dumb having a pain bike that you aren't ready for, with suddenly obsolete technology, looking at what you could have had, if you had learned your strengths and weaknesses first, and then bought the tool to address your shortcomings. Whatever is your weakest link, I guarantee it isn't what you think it is now. inb4 I have no weaknesses. Things filthy casuals say.
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>>1332038
>>>1332029
>Are you a believer in spaghetti, fried chicken, hamburgers, and whatever in gods name that purple yam fruit salad is?
fren, even purple yam is a gift of the gods we're missing the point here the future is in longanisalog
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>>1332050
to me it's like buying a lamborghini, I couldn't ride it properly or use it as it was intended to be.
cycling isn't even my sport, I still can't appreciate the bland rounder frame of normal road bikes.
in fact in the past I always liked the dogmas which have a more aggressive look. I just don't like tiny boring frames.
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>>1332056
Then why are you drooling over a Giant which is basically the most boring, sensible brand ever? Get something that's actually supposed to be sexy and frivolous.
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>>1332057
it's the Giant flat handlebar connection that I'm in love with
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>>1332056
I'm curious, people who own and ride these 5k+ road bikes on the road and aren't part of a team and they just saved up for them. If they get hit by a car, and the bike is destroyed does the driver auto insurance pay for it, do you take them to court or are you just SOL?
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>>1332074
It’s like getting hit in a car, the person who is at fault has insurance to cover your damages.
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>>1332077
So a drivers say Geico policy would cover the cost of your bike even if it's 7K?
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>>1332081
generally yes. if they were at fault in the crash, they have to pay for the damages they caused.
regardless if its the cost of a new bumper after getting rear ended, or the cost of your carbon fredmobile that just got toasted. theyd even have to pay for stuff like your helmet, or clothes that got ripped, if that was damaged as well. typically you can get paid for "lost of use" or "pain and suffering" as well

if they have shitty insurance, its not the person who got hit who gets fucked, its the person who hit you thats fucked, after all, if that person damaged you/your stuff, they LEGALLY should replace it. youre entitled to this. if they refuse to admit fault or whatever, you can take them to court.

when you go through these insurance claims your effectively settling outside of court.

t. someone who got their bike totaled by a cager
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Hi everyone, I’m currently looking for a new bike and would like to hear some suggestions. I have been looking at the Trek FX1 and the Trek Verve 1.
I got a job last year that has me leading a group of people on bikes for about 8 miles. We ride from point A to B and then back to A so the statistics for the the job are basically 16 miles a day, 2 days a week, but the riding is at a fairly leisurely pace. We ride on both dirt trail and street, and my company supplies comfort hybrids to the customers riding.

As this is the second year I have been at this job and I actually like riding I feel it is time to look into getting a new bike but am having some hangups.

The FX1 is more athletic based. The tires are thinner and the riding position is more forward oriented.

The Verve is more comfort based. The tires are thicker for dealing with bumps and dirt roads and the seating is more upright.

I was wondering if anyone here hd suggestions for what is best for a 16 mile ride that alternates from street to trail riding at a leisurely pace.
Thank you all.
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>>1332081
not always. Often they give you market value, not replacement value.
So you'll get what your bike is appraised as being worth on the used market, not the cost to buy a new equivalent.
Market Value will probably a fraction of what you paid
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>>1332152
the 2 main reasons why the fx1 rides harsh are;
a: cheap hiten steel fork
b: cheap stiff tyres

you can't get a nice rigid (chromoly or carbon) fork for $500. Bikes that price will all have hiten steel or 'alloy' aluminium forks which aren't good at shock absorption.

You can just put supple tyres like Paselas or Gravelkings or Marathon Supreme (not plus), on an FX1 though. That will make a big difference to the comfort. The 35mm width size it already has on it is ideal for your purposes.
You can also put a short 45 degree stem on it to make the bars higher and closer.

Between FX1 and Verve i'd get the former because it has a modern threadless steerer. For a ~$500 hybrid though, i'd get a giant escape 2 as it is 8 speed which means it has a cassette wheel, not an old freewheel like the trek at that price.

And if you want something actually good, a Giant Escape 1 Disc or a Marin Muirwoods, with a carbon and chromoly fork respectively, are around ~$750. I'd get a muirwoods. Try find one to test ride and you will see what i mean about the ride comfort.
Your other better option is restoring a nice older rigid mtb, if you can find one. Those have chromoly frames and forks too, ride better, and you can set it up with an upright slow comfy position. Save some money, and have something cooler which won't depreciate.
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>>1332152
What bikes do you use for the tourists?
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>>1332190
They're Jamis Hudson Sports
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>>1332198
link your craigslist anon
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>>1331988
>>1332025
This is a scam right?

Fucking 5k on this. I mean it has a nice late 80's matchbox paint but wew. It's not even full blown aero.

My 500€ new Ghost cross bike has full hydraulic discs.
I don't get why the simplest bikes (road bikes) are the most expensive.

Just import a chinese carbon aero frame and build it yourself, you'll save a lot of juice. Also add a thriathlon bar so you can actually benefit the aero frame.

And why the fuck would anyone prefer v-brakes over hydraulic discs? Especially on carbon rims.

>dropping $7K
Are you or do you want to become a UCI licensed pro? If not, just dont
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>>1332226
>I don't get why the simplest bikes (road bikes) are the most expensive.
Because in bikes, you mostly pay for lower weight with the same functionality.
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>>1332226
>And why the fuck would anyone prefer v-brakes over hydraulic discs?
Apparently lot of people here prefer to stay on caoiler brakes.
I wouldn't ride on wet road so caliper is fine for me, it even comes with less weight. it's the external cables that ticks me off.
also, no it's not a scam, it's full carbon, elettronic group ultergra

maybe I'll get this one, I still like the mechanical shifting and don't care about the power meter
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>>1332233
>I wouldn't ride on wet road
Mostly sure, but you'll get in the rain sooner or later. If you want it or not.

V-brakes are ok on alu rims, but on carbon rims they don't work so good. On wet carbon it's really critical. They point is that you want the best brakes on the fastest bikes.
But I understand that integrated rim brakes can be an aero benefit, if you're into that sort of thing.

I'll never ever buy a bike without disks again. Full hydros are so comfy.
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Is the Cinelli Superstar worth it? I'm worried about the carbon used in it. Supposedly T700 HM, which isn't that stiff/tough. Is it basically an overpriced low tier carbon frame? The few reviews out there rave about it's power transfer ability, but i think brands like Specialized use better carbon in the same price range.
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>>1332272
what, do you expect an italian bike to be the best thing at a pricepoint?
are you stupid?

if you like it, buy it
its gonna still be good

if you want absolute best value for your money for with fucking giant or merida or something
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>>1332275
>what, do you expect an italian bike to be the best thing at a pricepoint?
I don't, that's why I mentioned Specialized, a company that also makes "overpriced" bikes if you're simply looking at a spec sheet.
>if you like it, buy it
>its gonna still be good
That's what I mainly wanted to know. I don't want to get a 1500€+ frame with 400€ chinese frame tier carbon with a little bit of extra "tech" thrown in like PU molds that will shit itself/be worse than aluminum if I use it for anything other than riding in a straight line on aerodrome tarmac.
I'm more inclined to get an alu frame due to durability concerns, but I'm starting to flirt with the idea of getting a carbon frame, so I wouldn't want a weak one.
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>>1332291
>chinese frame tier carbon
>china bad

The device you are posting from is made in china and super high tech, both technology and manufacturing wise.
China is the biggest carbon bike frame producer in the world, all brands get their stuff from there.
They have low and high quality, it only depends on what you want and what you are willing to pay.
"Made in China = generally bad" is quite 2004; times have change a lot

I'm not so sure about Italy though, their cars and scooters are shit quality wise. No experience with Italian bikes.

>>1332275
>giant
>merida
These brands have low tier entry bikes in their portfolio. Cinelli is generelly a higher priced, not really entry level brand.
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>>1332297
I mentioned a price for those chinese carbon frames. I am talking about the cheap shit ones on ebay.
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>>1332297
cinelli is not the marque it once was
it's not bottecchia or de rosa or colnago

Cinelli doesn't have anyone riding their bikes at the giro and they fucking sell fixies
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>>1332299
this tbdesu
I don’t think I know a single person who rides a Cinelli. Plenty of Colnagos and Pinarellos though.
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>>1332299
>>1332300
What are the reasons? I wouldn't mind having a rare frame if it's good and the only reason they're rare is because of marketing etc. I'll stay away from Cinelli if the reasons they're rare are quality and/or performance related though.
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>>1332336
>>1332336
They aren't bad, but they shifted downmarket and to a younger more casual demographic during the fixie craze, with the histogram, but that wasn't lasting.
And they didn't make the carbon shift in time to stay competitive like other italian heritage brands managed.

they've always mostly been a component maker and you used to see half the pro peleton with cinelli stem or bars, and most nice italian road bikes, but now it's none.
They don't even have the retrodouche market because nitto is better.
their frames don't compete any longer at the top level for cycle racing either.

and they don't do any batshit concept stuff like pic related now either.

any old cinelli, is a grail bike. They were, for like 50 years, held in absolute highest regard, amongst italian road bikes, which are themselves held in highest regard. Rare and hyper desirable and no cheap models.

Now they're more a failed fixie brand than an italian bicycle brand. Probably not bad but nothing special at all.

I wouldn't not buy one but also why and don't expect eyefucking from bike autists and italiboos
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>>1332198
If you can swing the group rate with whatever vendor your boss used, and get a discount with Jamis, or hell, go up to the dealer yourself, you might try Jamis's chromolly steel equivalents of the Hudson. I think the drop bar and adventure versions might be out of reach, but the full chromolly coda MSRPs at 525.

>>1332272
Is the brand name ever worth it?
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>>1332343
Good and sad write.
I always loved the non serious look of cinelli products like pic related. Everyone else tries to be as hardcore as possible, and thats kinda lame.
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>>1332343
>>1332346
Clean sheet then I guess. I just found a couple of Cinelli's frames like the Experience and Superstar interesting, I didn't get hung up on their name or history.

Bikes that handle well, are durable and decently comfortable for commuting in good weather (fenders and racks not an absolute prerequisite) and are fun, fast and efficient to ride on good tarmac. Aluminum or carbon. I appreciate italian brands because of personal reasons rather than their heritage but it doesn't have to be italian. It can be a complete bike or frame only, but the whole completed thing with ultegra or potenza shouldn't cost more than 2.5k Euros (including a 20% tax deduction). Except for the aforementioned Cinellis I am considering:
>Bowman Palace:R
>Specialized Roubaix
>Specialized Allez (+ ultegra)
>Cannondale CAAD12
>Canyon Endurace
Any recommendations or opinions on the listed bikes or others that aren't on the list are appreciated.
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does anyone have experience with cube as a whole
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>>1332366
Normie tier ok entry level. They're one of the biggest players for the mass market.
Haven't heard anything wrong about them.
Almost bought their axial disc roadie but decided against.
My roommate has a cube hardtail and it's quite decent.
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>>1332365
This is not really a recommendation, but just my 2 cents.

I commute about 300km per week. I have two bikes, a basic AL bike with shimano 105 group, and a Spec. Diverge. I bought the Diverge for comfort, safety (better during shitty weather, although since I switched to 23c Conti 4S I've had no problems on my "faster" roadie. I love those tires, outstanding for commuting. Haven't had a flat in over 10.000km) and ease (fenders, rack so I don't have to always carry a heavy backpack on my roadbike but can stock it in bags once a week).

Basically of my two bikes I spend 90% of my commute on my faster roadie so I can have a shorter commute time; so for me I would definitely go with an Allez or an Ultimate over the likes of Diverge/Endurace. But this is not a recommendation or an endorsement, just what works for me, I don't really have any strong thoughts
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>>1332400
>I commute about 300km per week
Jesus christ
Thats 60km/day considering 5 work days/week.
You gotta be a fucking beast
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>>1332400
Jesus man, my commute is around 100km a week tops.
I also prefer the idea of getting a faster, more aggressive road bike instead of one with a more relaxed geometry because I'm a retard who likes to take corners as fast as possible instead of braking a lot no matter what I'm on. Other than that, I feel like a racey bike would be more efficient while going uphill, which is a plus since a considerable chunk of my commute is uphill. People on here and elsewhere seem to always recommend endurance bikes as commuters though.

Do you have an opinion on the Mason Definition 2? Is it what you'd consider a fast bike, or something more similar to the Diverge/Endurace?
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>>1332400
Fug. How much climbing do you do on the commute?
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>>1332404
I'm sure anyone can do it, hardest part is being able to sacrifice the hours and the fact you're usually too tired/burnt out to do long weekend rides outside your commute

>>1332419
My commute is entirely flat so I can't really provide input on that. I don't know what the Mason brand is. I feel like I am not able to give you the answer to your question, but here's just some more of my experience (having recently celebrated my 400th commute a few weeks ago).
- Doing the same commute every day puts a strain on you physically and mentally - you will get physically tired and mentally worn out, which essentially means you will just kind of autopilot to work. When you autopilot you're not really putting in any effort. Oftentimes I put out shitty wattage and low speed because I'm just pedalling along. In that situation, I would say getting a good, faster bike is greatly preferrable to a slower Diverge/Endurace for example. I still get good speeds on my Diverge, but I feel that putting in the same effort I arrive 5 minutes later - which bothers me a bit and makes me grab the faster bike the enxt day. I think you having a hilly or mountainous route will exacerbate this even more

Sorry, I feel like I am not giving great advice on what bike you should actually get. I just know that between my faster bike, and my slower/comfier bike I always grab the faster bike because it means I'm at work earlier and home earlier. Even if it's only 10 minutes per day
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so it turns out my pos commuter mtb is actually historical gold

my bullseye hubs have quick releases. can i replace the quick releases with security bolts?

should i just sell the wheelset ( list on CL for $250? )

i live in the city and leave this bike locked outside of grocery stores, theaters, the back of my truck, etc. lots of tweakers on bikes out here, tweakers love bike
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>>1332430
Thanks, even though you're not recommending any specific models, i really appreciate your insight.
The mason i mentioned is an aluminum bike that's supposed to be the best of both worlds. Comfortable for longer rides, suitable for all (read: most) terrains and weather conditions, lively and fast. Basically a high end all rounder from what i read. It's expensive as shit for an alu bike though.
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>>1332436
fuck outta here, you from River North or Old Town? At least, the Uno photo posted made me assume you're from around here
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I have a beater bike and dont have money necessarily to build a good bike im thinking about getting a gas motor kit. how good is the mpg? and does it have higher acceleration and top speed over an electric bike kit?
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The thing will shake apart your beater bike. MPG is good because the thing is so light.

Electric bike kits are out of your price range.
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>>1332523
Nvm I found out you need motorcycle insurance to drive the motor bicycle on the road and anyways my frame is too small for the engine
Ill probably end up either buying a proper motorcycle, inherit my sisters corolla or build a half ebike from the ground up
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I need a beater bike for getting around my college campus and I don’t want a Walmart bike. My nice specialized got stolen last year, and I need something unassuming and simple.

It’s convenient to park outside because otherwise I gotta carry up a flight of stairs to my apt, so I’m looking at fixies so there isn’t much to break.

Is this the right direction? I’m looking around at Facebook and thinking I’ll spend like 300-400 on a used fixie.

I don’t know a ton about bikes so if anyone has better recommendations I’ll be glad to hear it.
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>>1332769
it better be something real decent for 3-400 used seeing as a GOOD new fixie like a fuji track is less than $500
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>>1332769
Look at minivelos and some folders for stair climbing bicycles.

I would spend less. Go used. If you go fixed, look at the killo tt as a baseline.

Used mountain bike is your best shot, but locking it outside overnight is just begging for it to be stolen.
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Hey /n/ need some advice on buying a new bike, as I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes buying anything road related.

3/4 years ago I got into road cycling on an old Gios Evolution I bought from a small local bike shop. I've always struggled to find a history about the frame, but it has Campagnolo chorus shifters with a 8 speed cassette and veloce derailleur. Basically I love this thing, wont sell it, but it is an old bike and I want to take care of it. I think I'm a ready to drop some money on something new that I'd use for the majority of my road cycling.

I've narrowed the frame down to the Cinelli Vigorelli Road frame. A lot of it is down to how it looks and I prefered the steel over carbon that I've ridden.

The dilemma I have is I can buy a pre-built model rrp £1500

https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cinelli-Vigorelli-Road-Apex-700c-2019-Road-Bike_209348.htm?sku=639466&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwt_nmBRD0ARIsAJYs6o3cXMSNHcauCqi1vNe9RaFDc1rha8lVU1EMkkmZ3mDXSpiGxYVbHtgaAq9KEALw_wcB#

Or option B, visited another local bike shop who has this frame in stock and will build me a bike with the following spec:

Campag centaur 52/36, 11/32 groupset
campag khamsin wheelset
Cinelli Vai finishing kit
vittoria rubino tyres

fully built £1764

Just wondering which I should go for, and I know there are better options out there. The cinelli frame is the one that I've seen and fell in love with. Not many others out their appeal to me. It would also match my old gios, pic related. Thanks.
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>>1332769
If you plan to leave it outside and it's going to be a fixie, I'd say half your budget and still get a decent used fixie. $300-400 is like new fixie prices unless bike theft is not a problem there
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Guys, I have no idea what bike to get. Road? Gravel? Hybrid? Help pls
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>>1332807
Budget and terrain first?
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Budget and type of riding?
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could anyone point me towards a good road bike in the $1000 to $1250 range? preferably from a known brand.

I'd love something BMC or Canyon but those are both a few hundred above my price range, unless i found an absolute killer deal on one of them
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>>1332812
$1500 CAD
Mostly road and bike paths but the roads aren't very good
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>>1332851
Your four choices are essentially endurance road, gravel, hybrid, and MTB from most to least fucked up roads.

I'd actually test ride a couple, see how aggressive you like it. Canada has some great offroad trails almost everywhere. I'd be inclined to start with gravel. or endurance road.

>>1332823
Al frame, cf fork. Tiagra gropuset should be your target, maybe sora..

Tier 2 shit like Jamis, Fuji, ect, all should have entries in that range.
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>>1332875
ah ill look then. I dont mind frame material but i really want atleast 105 or comparable for the groupset and im willing to spend a little more if thats the deciding factor on price.
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>>1332876
>>1332823
>>1332875
id also like something fun, like a minivelo or a fixie/SS or something along those styles
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>>1332877
>minivelo fixie

I too want to become sonic or an old school cartoon character running animation cycle
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>>1332877
Given Canada's fucked up import laws, it's almost easier to buy a bikesdirect minivelo in america and some fat BMX tires and bring it back across the border.
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>>1332894
im american, not canadian

>>1332890
right? are minivelo bikes easy to put bags and racks on
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>>1332890
*minivelo OR a fixie, i said
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>>1332795
The bike is sexy as hell but as you said, it's just a matter of dropping so much more money on a bike just for the looks.
The Marin Nicasio is also steel and costs 600€.

I'd just go for prebuilt for price reasons
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There's a high end lbs about two hours from me that carries major bike brands including Wilier. Would it be worth a 2hr drive to pick one of these up assuming they have it in stock and in my size?

My other choice would be a canyon but I have zero friends so all the measurements are taking by me and I fell like they may be skewed so W would rather go to a b&m.

Canyon says I would need an XS (5'5 male).
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>>1332795
I tried going from Campy to SRAM mechanical and it drove me insane after 20 miles. And that was 1x Apex, so I wasn't even dealing with SRAM's awful front shifting. The shift action was annoying, and the sound of shifting was loud and clunky. Was sometimes kinda slow, too. Centaur is a big step up even though it's the lowest in the heirarchy.

eTap is really cool tho. SRAM knocked that one out of the park.
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I usually ride on the road with my mountain bike because it's the only bike I currently have. I've been considering getting a low-end road bike for riding around town. I'm thinking of getting a rigid hybrid instead of an aggressive road bike because the roads and sidewalks near where I live are kind of shit. What's a good entry-level hybrid I could pick up on the used market?
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>>1333316
>because the roads and sidewalks near where I live are kind of shit
Literally every casual says this everywhere on earth. I promise you, they are just normal roads. Also
>riding on the sidewalk
Don't get a bike, please
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>>1333316
Old Specialized Crossroads, early '90s Schwinn Crosspoint/Crosscut/CrissCross, Cannondale H-series, Trek MultiTrack or FX… could even convert an old rigid 26er MTB if you want.
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>>1333316
Embrace the shitty roads, let that be your motivation. The faster you go the smoother they are...don't let something like a road slow you down.

I wouldn't get a road bike on CL unless you for sure know your sizing in that brand. Drop by your local LBS and see what they got for entry level. I think I got my 2015 Diverge for around $800 or $900. You should be able to get a older model for pretty cheap.
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>>1333320
There's an early 90's Hardrock one city away from me that's only $60. It looks cool as fuck but I was worried it may be too heavy compared t a modern roadie
>>1333321
One of my LBS posts used bikes on craigslist. I'm pretty much using it as a showroom right now.

Also how are the Cannondale R and SR series bikes? They look a little more like road than hybrid but there's several of them on my local craigslist.
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>>1333323
Couldn't say, search for reviews of them and that should tell you.
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>>1333323
Cannondale R & SR are pure road racers. Go with the chrome-moly Hard Rock.
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>>1332795
1x11 is a handicap here.
The possible transmissions go 1.32-3.81, giving a range width of 2.49. (revolutions the rear wheel makes per full crank turn)
1.32 is quite heavy for the lightest gear and might get you trouble on steep hills.
Something like the Cube axial has a range from 1-4.55; range width 3.55, this is a MTB tier range.

>>1333316
Marin Nicasio
Vitus Razor disc
Cube axial disc (it'a ugly though)
Decathlon Triban RC 500 or 520

To get into road, check your local craigslist/kleinanzeigen for a beater sub 200€ and try things first.
When you're used to MTB, a roadie will feel hard as a rock the steering feels less precise + the drop position feels uncomfortable. But the speed wipes all of that away.
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>>1332795
I would go with B. I'm not sure what the hell they were thinking with that drivetrain, aside from possibly a general fear of SRAM front shifting.

I would also consider your handlebar choice very carefully. Make sure it's the perfect one for your fit.

>>1333293
One problem is that a lot of the benefit from the not so l bs in getting the fit just right, with things like stem swaps saddle swaps, and general support. Being a manlet also means the size chart estimates are a little less accurate in general for you in the first place. If the LBS is more than just well stocked, but is a very good one, and not just expensive, I'd go with them, with the understanding that you'll be back perhaps exactly once for any adjustments, and you need to have it all nailed down then.

You might be better off with the womens bikes.

>>1332895
You sometimes have to make your own mounting hardware, and you don't have much in fork selection, but you don't usually have problems with tire/frame clearance. You can sometimes use the portage equipment for folding bikes as well.
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>>1331511
looks p nice, is that XL? was considering one for bikepacking.
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>>1332226
>And why the fuck would anyone prefer v-brakes over hydraulic discs? Especially on carbon rims.
rim brakes are easier to service yourself, compatible with existing wheels you might already own from previous bike upgrades
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>>1333634
Yeah, thats XL.
Currently the seat is upwards a little more than on the pic and I got SPD m424 pedals on.
The brakes got more aggressive after some riding.
So far I really like it, you get a lot of bike for the price.
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Best handling metal road bike for fun, not racing, under 2k?
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Some guy in my city is selling this for 200. It’s old, but he says he replaced the wheel set around a year ago. If I go to check it out, what should I look for on the frame and such to make sure it’s not a POS.
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Going to have a budget of about $5k+ to buy a bike here in a few months. was looking at Canyons and BMCs, and some LOOK bikes. Are there any other high end brands like these that im missing? I really like the Aeroad and Teammachine styling
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>>1333916
even some of the low end shitters from myata had decent frames - hi ten but quite ok.
it's still an old low end bike that's been messed about with poorly though, isn't worth what he's asking - wait for a better one.
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>>1333916
well, Miyata's steel, which they forged in-house, was regarded as the best steel in Japan. but the dip who owns it put a sticker over the decal that IDs the steel. doesn't matter, you can partially see it but in their case the fact that it's Miyata tells you it's their steel.
That said, I've never seen one with stem shifters and those "turkey wing" brake lever add-ons, which usually signal a low quality bike.
So this is kind of an anomaly. you can remove the turkey wings and use an aftermarket mount to move the shifters to the downtube, should you want to.
However, that crank and the wheels are new. Not sure how new but they are definitely not the stock wheels or crank.
That Miyata logo wasn't used after around '88 so the bike is at least that old.
Frame looks to fit a man of around 6 foot tall.
I ride an '87 Miyata every day on stock wheels and love it.
Worth $200? eh, probably but only if that's the best pick in your rea.. $200 goes a long way on the used market.
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>>1333946
me again.
if >>1333945
is right and I am wrong about the steel, if Miyata used cheap hi-tensile on low end frames, then disregard my first paragraph. that may in fact be why there's a sticker over most of the decal on the seat tube.
I'd google for images of Miyata decals and see if you can match that bit peeking out at the top or ask if you can peel off the sticker, or maybe the guy would admit it's hi-tensile.
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>>1333939
The question implies a level of ignorance about bikes that would disqualify you from making a good choice either way. Like, why those three brands? That's where your search ended, really?

Buy the cheapest aluminum Canyon, ride the shit out of it, figure out what you like and don't like about it, and go from there. You probably don't even know what kind of shifters you like ffs. $5k+ is where you've already spend $400 on a fit and you're doing your own builds from a bare frameset instead of just buying whatever came with the bike at the local fred shop down to the wheels and tires and leaving the dork disk on it with 3 inches of spacers.
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>>1333949
shut up retard, answer my question

ive been looking at those three brands because thats what comes to mind, but i dont want to be missing out on any other lesser known brands that have similar offerings for nice road bikes

the only thing im not hot on is electronic shifting, and i want disc brakes.
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>>1333953
Specialized makes the best bikes. All the pros ride it.
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>>1333956
Im not a huge fan of specialized, trek, pinarello, etc offerings at that budget. ive seen too many of those and they're a little boring for me, now
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>>1333957
Don’t you want to be like the pros? Are you poor or something?
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How is a 1999 trek 520 for 500
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>>1333958
eh. not so far as their bikes go, no
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>>1333959
Depends on condition and what is included: $500 is a reasonable price if the bike is in great condition with new consumables and fully outfitted with racks and bags in good condition, but otherwise I can't imagine paying that much for a 520.
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>>1333939
This
>>1333949
Sounds like someones mad they can't afford more than a $200 CL bike
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>>1333939
>>1333957
>>1333953

There's too little information to make an adequate recommendation, but I'm going to make one anyways, for the sake of the people drafting you. In no particular order:

Bianchi, in celeste of course.
Colnago, one of the last of the italian classic design houses still worth anything.
Cervelo, pride of the french canadians
Scott,
De Rosa
Wilier
Felt
KHS, a better choice for the big and tall
Alchemy
Factor
Ridley, more CX and off road oriented.
Storck
Merrida, outside the US only.
Eddy Merckx
Lynskey, Lightspeed, and Van Nichols, if titanium is your speed.

>>1333972
There's nothing wrong with learning about what you want on a 5 thousand dollar bike, if you have the budget, of course.

>>1333853
Be more specific. Stability when throwing down big watts? Stiffness on a hard downhill? Control over rough surfaces? Failing that, how aggressive are you?
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>>1333946
The Sport 10 was their lowest end road bike, sold from 84-86. You can see the catalogs here: https://www.ragandbone.ca/Miyata/miyata_selector.html

The first year the frame was hi-ten, the second it was straight gauge CrMo, the third it was straight gauge MgMo. Fork was always hi-ten. It probably cost around $100-$150 new. $200 for one now is a fucking joke.

The best Miyata steel to look for is the Spiral Spline Triple Butted tubing, which they introduced in 1986. The splines are basically inverted rifling, used to increase strength and stiffness. Columbus SLX and SPX were also splined, but Miyata used angled splines to match the stress load and make the tubes even stronger. The 1986 Team Miyata had a splined fork, but good luck finding that model ever. The rest of their steel is good, tho. They custom drew the tubing for each model and each size, which led to benefits such as not having to cut the butted ends off for smaller frames.
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>>1333983
> The splines are basically inverted rifling, used to increase strength and stiffness
It really doesn't

>Columbus SLX and SPX were also splined, but Miyata used angled splines to match the stress load and make the tubes even stronger
No, it did not match the stress load, that doesn't even make sense if you think about how spirals work. You make is sound like Columus wasn't spiral either when it was.

Splines are a while bunch of bullshit and companies started copying each other because of the retarded hype around it. There is no practical difference.
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>>1333972
ive seen this brand a lot recently, whats their schtick? id never really seen much of them until i was looking in this budget

>>1333976
okay sweet, ive seen a few of these before but never really looked into them because most of my previous bikes have been poorfag purchases but now i want to buy a real flex
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>>1333939
None of those three brands are particularly high end. Canyon and BMC are basic bitch, LOOK is Gucci-tier high-end, owned by a shitty private equity firm. May as well buy a Trek and slap a Supreme decal on that shit. Look for stuff like Passoni, Sarto, Baum, Toei, Mosaic, Pegoretti, Llewellyn, Seven...if you can dig Mark Dinucci out of whatever yurt he's filing lugs in to make you a frameset in under a decade, you're a god. The problem for you is that a budget of $5k will maybe get you the frameset.
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>>1333995
well you might describe 'high end' as being bikes raced by a pro tour team in which case none of the bikes you list are high end.

infact a 5 grand canyon or bmc or look would certainly be faster than a 5 grand pegorreti even if they are 'basic bitch'.
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>>1334014
>>1333995
these are both valid points, yeah, ive added a couple of these to the list. i really like the passoni and the sarto frames

im a sucker for those seatstays that connect lower on the seat tube than the top tube does
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>>1334026
You could get a Holdsworth. They're pretty cool.
Nice provenance, Eddie Merckx orange, shady meme china prices, sponser a UCI team so you know it's legit.

Ultegra & full carbon for like $1800 - more on some nice wheels.
You could go campag record and stay under budget.
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>>1334026
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/campagnolo-record-12-speed-groupset-2019/rp-prod171270

be the first person on /n/ riding 12 speed lol
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>>1333989
Willier is an old old, as in more than 100 year old name in Italian racing. Their name stands for something like Viva Italy. They crashed at the end of WW2, like, well, all of Italy, made a comeback. It isn't until fairly recently, like 2000 that they were really available in the US. If you don't race or keep up with racing, you've probably never heard of them.

Italy has been feeling some serious economic and competitive pressure in the cycling world the last few years, and they've tried to get out in the public eye more.

I think there's an anon with a big carbon fiber stiffy for one of their bikes. I've never ridden one personally, but they make full fledged continental tour racing bikes.

Pic related. It's a pirate on a bike.

>>1333995
At that price range, custom builds could be on the table, but handmade bicycle show boutique models might be a bit overwhelming. Can you even order a Toeisha without knowing Japanese?.
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the willier font is cringey

willier, pinarello and colnago are the uncool italiboo bikes
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>>1334041
Wilier is shit because people won't realize your bike it Italian because Wilier sounds anglo or something.
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>>1334041
>>1334042
>>1334043
yeah im not really feeling the wilier, desu
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>>1334014
>you might
I won't. With shit like bicycles, high-end has to be custom or at least high-touch customer service from purchasing to fitting etc, and not only does the specific model have to be exclusive (i.e. expensive and made in limited quantity so that you aren't caught riding the same thing as some schmuck from the IT department, but not so unique that you don't have a "club" of fellow owners to circle-jerk with on Instagram or wherever), everything that the maker slaps their logo on has to be. It's why Specialized is trying to make S-Works its own brand, to create separation between it and the pleb company that spawned it. I don't think that it'll work because they're overproducing, their manufacturing process doesn't have the ability to do even a custom paint job, and at the end of the day, the customer service is the same.

Of the brands the World Tour teams (I presume that's what you meant, because nobody cares about PCT and Continental) are riding, I guess Mercx is sorta high end and the Bianchi Specialissima gets a special exemption from the brand exclusivity rule because I'm a biased asshole. Colnago and Pinarello are getting dragged down the same hole that brands like BMW and Audi have. Luxury goods for plebs with too much access to credit.

On a side note, fucking hell Cannondale's new logo is atrocious. Did they hire the same "helvetica goes everywhere" retard who ruined Gunnar's logo?
>>1334041
Maybe. If you get a custom Ebisu Special from Jitensha, Hiroshi might decide that it should be built by Toei. I'm kinda surprised that Jan Heine hasn't started up some kind of proxy buyer service for weebs who want customs from Japanese builders like Toei, SW Watanabe, Kalavinka, Panasonic, etc., but I guess that would be less profitable than flogging rebranded Paselas.
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>>1334063
i wasnt seeing a *lot* in those makers you mentioned that i really really liked, compared to the ones i was looking at from Canyon or BMC
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>>1334069
Horses for courses. You don't have to like something because it's hideously expensive and uncommon and is made by someone who has successfully pitched his brand to people who consider $18K to be a sane amount of money to spend on a new toy. I was just bloviating about where mass-market brands like Canyon and BMC sit in the firmament, which isn't at the high-end despite what their marketing departments want you to think. Remember, I said that part of the experience of going with a luxury brand is custom. You work with the maker to get a bike that fits you perfectly, and you get the final say on color scheme, parts, and everything else, within reason. That makes the bike as much an expression of your taste as it is of your wealth. Some of them even do stuff like go on decently long rides with you so that they can be sure your fit is good.

If you see bicycles as being more like appliances, or if you want a custom frame that doesn't have Brand, there are a shitload of other makers out there. Like with Ti stuff, TiCycles in Portland will design and weld a Ti bike that's every bit as good as Baum or Passoni, if not better. Some of what they've done is bonkers. But even though they've won a bunch of NAHBS awards for their work, their brand doesn't play in the luxury market. Being acquainted with the owner, I imagine he's happy that they aren't.
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>>1333995
>>1334063
>>1334041
>Willier is an old old, as in more than 100 year old name in Italian racing.
Try reducing the wank about brand myths and get more into manufacturing process + quality control where something like Canyon it current top tier.
It rather trust a bike with a high volume, high precision, modern quality control manufacture than a bike from some italian boutique garage where workers drink appererivo all day.

What I want to say is that Italy just isn't really up there when comes to modern manufacturing precision and workforce.
I'm an engineer and have been to Italy multiple times and I have fixed italian cars before. Oh boy.

There is less magic in bikes than a lot of people on this board think, boutique brands also 'only cook with water'.
5k Canyon is pretty much as far as it gets with modern cycling. Anything above that is either placebo money draining or actual custom shit.
Maybe you'll find some wicked non-UCI frames that are faster.

Road biking is one of the most catholic and conservative sports out there, """true""" Italian brands will always be shilled to the max because it always used to be like that.
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>>1334084
if i could find a custom that i really liked, i'd be willing to pay more for it, but like >>1334089 kind of gets at, no custom frame builder seems to be able to do what those bigger name brands are doing, in terms of aesthetics.

I love, LOVE the look of the seatstays and the wider/larger, aero downtube on canyon/BMC bikes. so ultimately im probably gonna go with one of those, but the custom ones you posted do give me a good place to start looking
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>>1334097
With carbon, the custom guys can't go as gonzo with designs because they have to adapt them for custom geos, which makes it hard if they go for anything that isn't traditional. Then there are the boutiquey not-quite-custom shops like Alchemy, who simply don't have the R&D budget, and are paying American wages for manufacturing. Honestly, I wouldn't get a Sarto or whatever over a Bianchi Specialissima or Oltre XR4, because that CV shit in Bianchi's carbon weave is fucking awesome at killing road chatter and makes a 25c tire feel like a 32c on a steel frame, but doesn't give up stiffness. Plain old Toray M55j won't do that. I find Canyon and BMC to be tremendously bland, especially in color, but again, horses for courses.

Ti is always going to look samey because it's a fucker to work with. The devil is in the quality of the welds. Steel is where I like custom the most, because you can have autistic lugwork like Llewellyn and Dinucci, whatever insanity that Cherubim is up to, absurd quality from the Japanese guys (Miyata sadly discontinued their nice MIJ stuff this year, because they're trying to survive by flogging fucking ebikes), etc.
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>>1333972
Oh look it's the same idiot who posts "$200 CL bike" in response to literally every non-ignorant post on /n/ lately. How do you have time to post if you have to service your hubs every 200 miles?
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>>1333963
Sounds like you're just poor then, enjoy your huffy, get back to me when you can at least afford Trek.
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>>1334113
you're a fag, bro

>>1334101
yeah, thats fair. which i suppose is kind of a hangup. I can appreciate the work that goes into those custom frames, but aesthetically...i want something that is a bit of a flex. i want it to *look* expensive. not just having an esoteric brand name for hobbyists to drool over
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>>1333976
>Be more specific
Taking turns confidently while going relatively fast downhill, and making quick maneuvers to avoid things if needed. Talking about tarmac, not gravel or whatever.
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>>1334117
Go for a Giant, can't wait to get my own
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$240 for a 1990 trek 1000 is bullshit right?
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>>1328625
What's the bike in your picture OP?
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>>1334034
>all-caps Helvetica Bold
>"Super Professional"
choose one and only one
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>>1334144
you just sound mad that you're a poorfag but whatever

ive owned a couple of giants. my main daily commuter is a giant. theyre nice, but i want something more
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>>1334089
Anon doesn't give a fuck about manufacturing processes. He specifically declined Sworks. He wants the fancy brand and the look.
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What do you guys think about the Bowman Palace:R? Would you trust their frames or should I just get something from a popular brand?
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>>1334230
I wasn't the other anon you were arguing before,
if you want something that looks expensive I think this one, for me it gives me some lamborghini vibes
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This Allez pro is being sold for 250. Does anyone have an idea of the year? The buyer is also unaware of the frame size which is kinda sus.

Any input? If I go look at it what should I look for.
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>>1334746
Ooof, seems kinda beaten and pricey.
Depends on wether the shifiting works good or not and how worn the brake/shifting levers are.
Integrated shifters wear quicker.

Dealbraker could also be the rather big small chain ring meaning that your lowest gear would be quite tough uphill.

Not a fan of those road clipless pedals, get MTB pedals for clipless instead. You can walk in MTB shoes.
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>>1334746
that bike looks like it has hepatitis
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looking for a bike thats in this realm

>steel frame
>aggressive geometry, twitchy handling
>not a track bike (ideally 1x but cant be too hard to switch from a 2x to 1x)

where get
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>>1335060
raleigh corporate portal....Raleigh Gran Sport 749.99 down from 799.

https://www.raleighusa.com/road

google corporate portal and set up an account for yourself so you can get the discount.

My advice is also to not get a 1x setup on a road bike, especially on a slightly heavier steel model that you may need a 34t front ring to get up that great big hill o' life.

There are many more expensivo steel bikes out there but that frame is nice steel and can't be beat at 749. Plus it is hot looking.
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Are there any aluminum race bikes (lively handling and fast) that you can put mudguards on for use in relatively wet weather?
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>>1335134
nah i know for sure i want 1x. i've owned plenty of bikes. i work as a messenger now but too many hills to run fixed, so 1x is a good compromise to still have something more simple than a regular drivetrain
that raleigh looks alright but is more of a long distance oriented bike isnt it? i want something more aggresive and twitchy, like a criterium bike. basically just a track bike with 1x shifting is ideal

>>1335173
honestly aluminum road bikes you can. only some of the nicer full-race ones like the caad12 dont have fender mount points, but on those you can still put on clipon fenders that work really well and give the same coverage as regular fenders.
i wouldnt use fenders as your first thing to look for since its gonna be an easy solution
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>>1335182
Thanks, I've had some bad experiences with clip on ones so I tend to discard them.

When it comes to your question, maybe something like the Fairlight Strael, Cinelli Vigorelli, Cinelli XCr or Mason Resolution? I don't know of many sensibly priced racey steel bikes unfortunately
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Give me a reason I shouldn't buy this.

>2020 Roubaix Expert
>Di2 (which is what I want)
>Beautiful paint job
>Roval C 38 Disc wheel set
>Future Shock 2.0 w/ Damper, (fully adjustable)
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Can someone find me a good touring bike preferably under $400 in the NYC/CT/NJ area? I have no clue what to look for. I'm 5'7" with a 35" sitting height, ~30in inseam. Alternatively, could someone help me figure out how to select a bike that is conducive to touring myself? Thanks!
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>>1335289
which exact touring bike is gonna be something only you personally figure out, since touring involves spending a lot of time on a bike, fit is especially important.
that said, one consideration is what sort of touring you're doing? there's credit card touring, where you pack lightly with essentials, then pay for shit you need as you go along, like hotels/meals. for this youd get a light touring bike, or just not even a touring bike but some sort of endurance road bike that can take racks.
then there's your traditional self sustained touring where youre bringing everything you need with you, tent, supplies, food, spare parts. this is where you get a dedicated touring bike. the burlyness of that bike depends on what sort of terrain you're touring across and how long of a tour it is.
then theres the combo of the two, bikepacking, where you take some mtb/dummy thicc road bike packed with supplies and fuck off innawoods for a weekend. its still self sustained, but you pack light since its a short tour

tl;dr figure out what kind of touring you're doing, then what bike does that the best
if you want an easy point of comparison, look at treks touring lineup. the 520, 720, 920, and 1120. all touring bikes but made for different types of touring
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>>1335213
>Cinelli Vigorelli
this is actually perfect
thank you anon
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>>1335314
Welcome anon, you might be more interested in the Cinelli Vigorelli Road rather than the "normal" fixie Vigorelli though
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>>1335347
yep, thats the one i was looking at. basically just a track bike with a 1x instead, which is exactly what i want
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Thoughts on the DEFY ADVANCED PRO 0 COMPACT? Comes with Di2 and a power meter for around $5500. Seems like a really good value.
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>>1335360
>really good value.
LOL
no
dont buy that unless youre a dentist. otherwise let your sponsor buy it for you. if you dont have a sponsor dont drop nearly 6k on a new bike

dimishing returns my man. bikes of that tier are never a good value, ESPECIALLY new. you're basically just throwing money away for the sake of it. stop buying into memes like electronic shifting that bike companies convince you will make you faster (they wont). its a useless waste of money. even if you wanted to spend that much money on a bike, you can do so much better, carbon wheels would make wayyy bigger of a difference than fucking electronic shifting.
also you can just get your own power meter. theyre not that expensive.
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What about e bikes?
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>>1335314
The Vigorelli is sexy af

>>1335360
Its very bad value.
Its not even aero.

Just get a decent road bike for around 1.5k and add power cranks yourself. Or go to about 2.5k for aero.

>Di2
Only makes sense if you do UCI tier race training.
If you're not doing that I'd recommend mechanical shifting that is well adjusted.
It will save you a lot of money, it doesn't run out of battery and you can fix it yourself.
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>>1335274
That's nice, though you barely see the specialized logo
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>>1335360
It's a nice bike, it would be my second choice if it wasn't for the propel overall preference. The Di2 it's a nice plus, I wouldn't worry about the battery, just charge it twice per year.

>>1335403
>>1335516
cringe
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Is this a deal for $300? Does anyone know the year? And who the fuck uses aero bars with straps?
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Anyone familiar with Orro bikes, specifically the Venturi model? This seems to good to be true

>Ultegra Di2
>Fulcrum R400 DB
>Sigmatex Carbon Fiber Frame (supposedly better than normal carbon)
>$3700 SHIPPED from Britain to the US

Apparently Orro spent a considerable amount of time R&D this bike. According to some reviews, while being an aero bike it's got the comfort of an Endurance bike.

I'm really fucking tempted to pull the trigger on this bike, that value of what you get just seems like it can't be beat.

On top of that it's a gorgeous bike to boot.



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