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Doctor Killer Edition

Welcome to the /gag/~

/gag/ is dedicated to all the pilots and pilot applicants out there, and although the name suggests otherwise, airline, military, and charter discussion is welcome. Keep it on topic, keep the shit throwing to a minimum.

Previous thread here: >>1275385
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How much will it cost, and how much time will it take, to get a PPL?
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>>1319215
$8k - $12k

Little as 2-3 months or as long as 12+ months. Depends on your availability
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>>1319217
Can it be financed?
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>>1319218
It can be depending on how you go. Alot of schools will offer some type of financing.

I pretty much saved up as much as possible and went for it. To finish off my training I used a low interest credit card. It was a far better option for me at least compared for the rates of some of the loans out there.

>>1319210
Where do you all fly out of? I'm out in Hawaii.
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~49 hours in and my instructors keep telling me I have to work on my landings before I can solo and cross country, am I getting ripped off?
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>>1319851
If you're planning to work for Ryanair, it is not a problem, they change their 737 pretty fast
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>>1319851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flXCWdhJnGY

(You)
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>>1319888
I can but I keep getting told I'm too harsh with the controls or I'm not putting enough rudder
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>>1319890
>I keep getting told I'm not putting enough rudder
use more rudder
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>>1319851
Yeah, no need to really learn landings in advance. ATC will walk you through it anyway, just ask them about anything you're unsure about.
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>>1319851
>49 hours
>hasn't soloed

what the fuck. anon there's people who get their PPL at 40 hours. you either have a terrible instructor who isn't teaching you how to fly the plane right or they're just ripping you off.
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I dont know if NZ is that different than the USA but I was solo after fifteen hours. Forty-nine is insane, you are clearly being taken for a ride.
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>>1319888
Based
>>1319890
1. you’re not a fighter pilot
2. Use more right rudder
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CFI checkride tomorrow.

I’m scared
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>>1319851
You're either an absolute cretin or you're getting jewed hard.
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>>1320049
141 school? Was supposed to do my first solo today, but the fucking rain came in hard.
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>>1320068
61
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>>1319851
Anon...

Like the others were saying, either you really need to figure out what is up with your flying, or you are getting jewed pretty hard. From what I understand soloing at around 10 hours can be pretty typical.
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>>1319967
no that seems about right. you should be soloing anywhere between 10-15 hours.
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>>1320068
which 141 school?
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>>1320289
They have a gaucho for a mascot...
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>>1319851
Can you get a second opinion with another instructor? I solo'd at around 30h and my landings have never been so good.
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>>1320049
Good luck anon!
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>>1319890
If you need do your patters wider than usual, so you can be set on final without banking too much. Remember, if your instructor sees you rush final with sharp turns he ain't gonna let you solo.
Also right rudder.
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Just a reminder for those saying that 10-15 hours is average for a solo: the 141 approach to flight training is not the same as the part 61 approach. Part 141 students will usually solo later, somewhere around 25-40 hours. More time is taken ironing out the details and working on building a strong knowledge and skill foundation regarding the approach and landing so they have an easier time transitioning to shorts and softs later on. This develops good habits and technique early on, as they will be harder to correct later in a student's training. It also helps develop a sense of energy management with respect to engine failure scenarios (both in the pattern and during forced landing exercises).

t. 141 instructor
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>>1320393
>somewhere around 25-40 hours
no? that just seems ridiculous.

my school has the solo officially listed at 10.5 hours. Some students need a few extra hours but I think not soloing by the time you hit the 20 hour mark is a big red flag and you should consider a different profession.
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>>1320411
The school I teach at lists the pre-solo course minimums at just over 20 hours. This includes basic flight maneuvers, stalls, steep turns, slow flight, emergency work, and landing practice. Very rarely do students solo at the minimum listed time, as they will almost certainly experience some skill deficiency along the way. It really doesn't matter if they solo by 10 hours, they will have to learn this stuff eventually and I'd much rather my students know what to do if they experience a problem rather than relying on the statistical odds that a mechanical failure or other contingency won't befall them on their solo or one of their solo activities soon after.
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>>1319851
Are all 49 of these hours being accrued consistently or has it taken you some time to get to this point? How is your knowledge level? I’m with everyone else in thinking that this is a little suspicious but I also feel like you could be leaving some information out.
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>>1320393
My 141 also lists solo as ~10-15 hours. That is done over 10 lessons before stage 1 check, then solo. I'm currently at 18 hours myself, but that is because I had to do over some lessons just to knock off the rust that the damn weather has been keeping me from flying. Fingers crossed for calm conditions tomorrow morning so I can finally solo the mo'fucka.
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>tfw i’ve Gotten so used to doing cross county flights in a g1000 equipped aircraft that I’m kinda nervous to do one with steam gauges
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>>1320675
A good replacement is Foreflight desu, sometimes it feels like cheating (which is why Student pilots at my school are not allowed to use it, even if we have G1000) at least so you can tell where the fuck are you.
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>>1320675
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>>1320677
Yeah I’m not too worried. I’ve flown the route a bunch of times, basically have it memorized. Florida just has a lot of controlled airspace to consider
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>>1320683
>That tweet
cringe
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>>1320684
Have you heard Stevo1Kinevo on the radios IRL?
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>>1320684
What part of Florida?
>Inb4 DAB
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I cried while driving home today.

I passed my CFI ride today. Initially i felt “wow this is sweet”. Signed the paper and all, and next thing I know all of these people came up congratulated me. When I got into the parking lot, some random guy I don’t even know shook my hand. By the time I got into my car, I heard my phone vibrating like a whore’s wand, and I look and see a fucking pile of text messages. 17 different people from my school and the neighboring school send me congrats. I don’t even know how word travels that fast. It had only been like 15 min. As I drove home I kept getting more texts. This is the first time in my life anyone has ever really given a shit about something I’ve done. More than half of these people I don’t even know.

The aviation community is a phenomenon
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>>1320740
Congrats Anon! Now get those hours for that ATP!
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>>1320740
Congrats.
>The aviation community is a phenomenon
It is. You are even weirder than /ohm/ community.
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>>1320740
you have been initiated into the cult, you are now a brother.
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>>1320757
>>1320747
Thanks
>/ohm/
What is this? I only come on the board for this general
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>>1320759
Thanks fren
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>>1320740
Congrats my man, getting your CFI is a big deal. Now get ready for the real learning; you will learn more in the first 4 months of instructing than you ever did getting your ratings. You will also learn a great deal about the nature of students and teaching-there’s a lot of stuff they didn’t teach you in the CFI course. Don’t forget to have fun with it
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>>1320740
Congrats! It looks so far from where I am standing right now but its kind of daunting thinking about it.
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>>1320740
nice.
about to start mine in the summer. what am i in for?
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>>1320764
>/ohm/
Electronics enthusiasts, etc.
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Are the travel benefits of being an airline pilot as good as people say?
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>>1320834
Free flights anywhere you want as long as there's open seats. able to share this ability with up to 10 people.

So, yes they're good. but also consider you still have to pay for hotels and rental cars etc depending on where you're going.
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>>1320740
congrats, well earned
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>>1320834
You are always on standby and lowest priority. If you fly alone there's not so much issue but I am guessing going with your family might be a little bit more traumatizing.
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>>1320857
>and lowest priority
No, the pilot and his immediate family are D2's. And they all get two D1 upgrades a year which puts them as top priority.
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>>1320870
>>1320857
also, even if the plane is completely full the pilot if he's alone can fly in the jumpseat if it's available
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>>1320528
I should note that I have flown once a week since March 2018, and I have took breaks or had financial/weather issues which made me unable to fly
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>>1320873
That makes sense. For your remaining ppl you should tighten up your training to 2 or 3 days of training
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Anybody have experience with A2A Simulations? I'm going to be training in a C172 and I'd like something a bit more realistic than stock sim 172s to practice what I learn.
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>>1321015
If you can find it, redbird flight simulators are almost full motion. The closest you can get without being in one of the hydraulic powered megamillions simulators like the airlines.
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>>1321044
There is one near me but it's one of their desktop units not the full motion sim. I'm moreso looking for something to add to the flight sim setup I already have at home. Not as a replacement or 1:1 match up to what I experience in the real plane, just something to keep what I learn sharp in between lessons.
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Not as cool as getting a CFI(I assume), but I passed first stage solo for private this morning.
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>>1321143
The first solo represents your ass being kicked from the nest, and the fact you’re posting implies you didn’t kill yourself, so I’d call it an accomplishment. Good job my dude, welcome to the club
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>>1321159
Thanks fren. I'm eager to get to the top with the rest of you dudes( and some dudettes).
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>>1321143
Congrats on your important step!
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>>1321163
>fren
please crash
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>>1321174
No thanks. Bad luck, m8.
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>>1320740
Anon, that is a huge achievement and you should be proud. I agree with you, the aviation community is like nothing else. A great place of support, motivation, and simply put stoke.

Keep it up fren!
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https://youtu.be/S0Tzfi5iLwc
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hi frens do you like planes
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>>1321845
I fucking hate the Cessna
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>>1321852
why? they do their job.
i came here to see what you guys think of piliatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP-9mWqFh3c
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>>1319888
>Harrison Ford did 9/11
Also ironic considering he landed on a taxiway like a fucking dunce.
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>>1321852
Alllright bucko now you better watch it, I happen to like the Cessna 172 very much and I don’t appreciate your strong words of opposition.
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>>1321852
Be gone Cherokee thot
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>>1319851
There was some furry on a discord who said he didn't solo until 105 hours. You're only half way there bud.
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>>1321854
Those things look sweet. I see them often at my airport
>>1321882
He crashed on a golf course too
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tfw I've racked up 22 hours in the past week in my first survey job

It literally took me 3 months at my 141 school to fly 15 hours for my Multi cert. This feels fucking good bros, I'm on pace for 300+ hours in 4 months at this rate
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>>1321992
Good luck and fair weather, m8!

Did you have a chance to CFI at your 141 or was the waitlist too long?
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>>1322029
My school is hurting for CFIs but I'm not really motivated to be a CFI right now. Plus they backed out on paying for my rating so I'll just get it done somewhere else if I do at some point
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>>1321845
big chungus
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>>1321882
I saw him once at an FBO. When I looked at him my eyes must've light up in autism mode cuz he made this face like "oh shit here we go again" and proceeded to ignore me. Dont really blame him though
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>>1321854
>>1321890
Sorry its not really against the Cessna, I am just tried of props. Summer is almost here as well and its already pretty toasty with an instructor on your side.
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>>1319851
49 hours with weekly circuits and you still can't land? That's pretty crazy. I've never heard or seen it myself. If you haven't changed instructor I suggest you do so. If that still doesn't work I suggest you find another career.
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>>1321143
I'm coming up on 1700 hours now and by far the hardest step was first solo. Not to say all those other steps weren't tough but nothing is quite so terrifying and exhilarating as flying for the first time by yourself.
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These are some weird looking bikes
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Guys I need a way into an aviation field somehow without going $100k in debt.
Are there any services needed that haven't been pursued or been made available yet?
I live near a small regional airport, and want some excuse to get paid to be around planes as much as possible.
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>>1322588
>how can I get into the aviation field without spending $100k
Good news for you. There are a lot of options. The people who end up in high debt are pilots. Which, even on that path there are still ways to make it cheaper. But if you just want to work in the industry in general, there are loads of jobs.

You could work directly for an airline doing ramp or passenger services. Working for a flight service company and helping service executive jets. You could become a mechanic/technician. Or, you could even be an aircraft dispatcher.

This course is only $5k. and you can start working with a regional airline as a dispatcher when you pass your tests.

https://atpflightschool.com/aircraft-dispatcher-training/
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>>1322588
>Guys I need a way into an aviation field somehow without going $100k in debt.
Get $100k first.
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>>1322588
... Military.
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>>1322783
It’s funny to me how people throw that around. But it’s so fucking hard to actually become a military pilot
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>>1322588
If anything, dont start flying without at least enough money to get your PPL otherwise you will be stopping a lot and taking way longer and over budget than paying upfront at a school.
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I have my End of Course PPL flight tomorrow, I am really fucking nervous. Hopefully I dont fuck up the landings, winds might be gusting when its my time to fly.
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>>1322296
You ain't kiddin. I'm going to get a flattop, a wife beater, and those old 80s short shorts just to try and keep cool in a C152 this year. I'm predicting its going to be a scorcher.
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Please explain this
>US of A
People drive automatic
Boeing planes are manual AF
>Europe
People drive manual
Airbus planes are automatic AF.

I still don't get it
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>>1322869
Sucks to be on a 141 school and having to wear a uniform. Eventually they let us use t-shirts but that day is still to be announced. They are screaming at you 1 month before the end of summer to stop using them but when its the other way around they take their sweet ass time.
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>>1322876
Embry-Riddle? At my 141 the CFIs wear collared golf Tshirts with our logo embroidered and shorts during the summer. It gets way too hot to not have lax standards then.
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>>1322878
Nah, PEA. We also have the golf tshirts but the pants stay the same black dress pants and shoes. By the description it sounds like ATP in your case?
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>>1322880
OKState
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>>1322884
>>1322880
Eh, being in PHX is fairly hot, but you are lucky it's a dry heat. I went through Yuma a few years ago at 41 centigrade in the afternoon and I thought it was pretty bearable compared compared to all the humid summers I've spent in TX and OK at 41 centigrade.
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>>1322886
It has Phoenix on the name but it's located in FL so 100% humidity every day
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>>1322887
Whoops yeah that is fucked then.
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>>1322870
people be different yo
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>>1322802
I guess. The dudes that fly helos and P-3s/P-8s for the Navy are clinically retarded.
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>born too late to discover the new world
>born too early to beam across the galaxy
>born just in time to exist when airplanes do

Sometimes things turn out alright lads
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>>1322870
Automatic is becoming standard in Europe tho..
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>>1322584
The worst part about the solo was that I didn't have a second pair of eyes to search for traffic. Glad I'm only at a Class D right now, because I imagine soloing in C or B would be terrifying.
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Had a CFI at my school pass away last week. Not from an incident, but not sure what happened. Sweet girl.

RIP Lucy. F
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>>1323084
>didn’t have an extra set of eyes to scan for traffic
>I imagine soloing in C airspace would be terrifying
Well, if anything that would be easier in D, C, or B airspace. As long as you feel comfortable taking to tower, they would keep you separated from other traffic.
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>>1323056
So, Airbus will become more manual, finally?
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>>1323085
F
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>>1323085
F
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>>1323085
F
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>>1323056
Because Europe becomes black?
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Goddamn it I failed my EoC checkride because I landed way too hard for soft field and I kind of fucked up the diversion. FML
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>>1321845
I like them with big jugs
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>>1323363

Hey, look. It's not the end of your career as a pilot. Flying airplanes is really hard and not just any drunken dissociative schizoid geriatric can land them...

oh wait.
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>>1323363
I failed my soft field landings for private too desu
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>>1323363
I failed my private checkride cause I oversped the prop on the way back after my check airman told me “ok get us back quick”. So, I firewalled the throttle on a turbulent summer day and away the RPM went lol

It stings now but you’ll laugh about it down the road.
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>>1321594
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thicc
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>>1323085
F

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna999946

Had a Robby R44 go down in my neck of the woods yesterday with three souls inside.
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Any of you all instruct of have instructed for a Part 141 school? What did you think about it?

There is an opportunity for me to possibly go instruct for a new one that is being stood up in my local area.
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>>1323965
Mine may be a bit different from others but I like it. There is more rigidity and a clear path from start to finish, which removes a lot of work on your end. They also build minimums into courses approved by the FAA so there is little guesswork when it comes to compliance with minimum aeronautical experience requirements. I teach private, commercial, and instrument students and it can be difficult switching between students in several courses and in different spots within the course in one day, so the syllabus and activity line items provide helpful organization. It also provides a steady stream of students which is great.
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>>1324051
Gotcha, that seems interesting. So the way your school works is that each student goes through the program individually instead of as a class?

I like the idea of taking out a lot of the guess work with having the approved material to work and build off of.
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>>1324293
As a 141 student I can tell you our program is really structured, every flight and lesson has the objectives clearly defined but its up to you to decide if those objectives have been met and advance to the next lesson.
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>>1323965
i do, although it’s not one of the big factory schools. We are 141 certified and just use the Cessna Pilot Course as our guide. It doesn’t simplify things tho
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>>1322783
Pulling a commission isn't easy. And it's a 10+ year service commitment, assuming you make the extremely stringent medical requirements
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Need advice for passing medical exam. I'm in New Jersey. I want to eventually get an ATPL and become a jetliner pilot. Currently I have no experience at all with flying. I have a history of depression and ADHD, both of which I have been diagnosed with medicated for in the past, but I'm not currently medicated for. I also have hypothyroidism, which I am currently medicated for. I understand that these conditions can make it difficult or impossible to pass the medical exam. What are my options here? Am I completely out of luck? Do I have any chance of becoming a pilot?
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>>1320740
...and everybody applauded
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>>1324320
Absolutely, none of those are disqualifying factors. You may have to get through some additional red tape courtesy of the FAA regarding approved medication but you are certainly not out of luck.
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>>1319217
>Little as 2-3 months

This physically hurts me. I started my PPL in the summer of 2017 and I'm still waiting to take my EOC check while I'm getting fucked by weather and instructor availabilities.

I was supposed to be a CFI by now. Tell me it gets better.
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>>1324499
It's true though, 1 month to get through GH basics and 2 months of navigation flights with some more area work should be all the average person needs. It's always tough picking the right school but sometimes a sausage factory can be better because they have the instructors on hand to push you through. Just make sure you find a guy you can stick with for the most part. I'd suggest changing schools after your PPL is issued and don't be afraid to go out on marginal days, nothing wrong with some navs at 500ft AGL.
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>>1324504
To be fair, I was working full time up until this February and in the time since I started I got married, was carless for 3 months due to insurance BS after my vehicle got totalled, and had to deal with a major ongoing family health crisis (on top of the usual bad weather, mechanical stuff, etc). I like the instructors at the club I fly with, but I just want to get my CFI by the end of the year.

What should I look for in a flight school?
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>>1324517
I'll add that I'm seriously considering just jumping to some sausage factory somewhere with better weather once my PPL is done. My club has killer rates, but I'm in my early 30s and I'm really thinking that time is money now.
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>>1324517
You want a school with reasonably experienced instructors that aren't looking for the door the moment they come in, if you talk to student there and find he's gone through 3 instructors over a few months, find another school.
The prices are what they are, there's no way around them but generally shop around for the cheapest one that isn't churning through instructors. Make sure before you pick the school that you have time commitments to get the thing done.

Personally, I called around and found a school that said they could get my multi engine IFR done in 3.5 weeks and then I held them to that. I took time off work and I went in 5 days a week from the time the doors opened and sat around studying and pushing my instructor to take me up.
They bumped other people off flights because they agreed for it to be done in that window and they couldn't say I wasn't trying my hardest to get it done. I was done in a little over 3 weeks.

You personally should never be cancelling flights otherwise you give the school reason to cancel flights. Even for weather if it's anything but straight IFR.
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>>1324528
>You personally should never be cancelling flights otherwise you give the school reason to cancel flights
You sound like someone I would not sign off.
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>>1324577
You sound like someone who hasn't worked in charter
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>>1324528
>You personally should never be cancelling flights otherwise you give the school reason to cancel flights.
>Even for weather if it's anything but straight IFR.
What is the 5ps, PAVE, and IMSAFE
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>>1324528
That's the problem, the instructors at my club are all very experienced and have been there for years, and I've kept the same instructor through it all as I learn.

It's just that the club is pretty conservative about flying in bad weather, as well as in terms of who you're allowed to fly your stage checks with, so it can take a while for weather and senior instructor availability to line up. It's a good, stringent place to learn, but it doesn't seem great if you're in a hurry.
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>be me
>brand new instructor
>only have 1 student
>heard word that my school is going out of business in 2 months
mfw
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>>1324740
Jump plane and look for another school
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>>1324919
I would right now, but in 2 months I’m going on vacation.
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>>1323875
i agree with the idea that buying the 747-400 would have helped, but they would have needed to get rid of carl to get that to happen. or become a launch customer.
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>>1324635
You fucking CFI's are absolutely fucking hopeless, I've seen students cancel flights because it's too windy or the cloud is 3000ft AGL. I even saw an instructor cancel fucking circuits because of storms over 30nm away!

The fact is all your bullshit mnemonics and memes do is create a culture where people call up cancel because "I don't feel prepared today" or "I don't feel 100%" or the weather isn't something they've experienced before because all they've experienced is CAVOK days.

Then after the students get their bars and I have to get them ready for line check at a real job they need to be taught everything. You can bet they don't cancel flights because "I didn't get much sleep", the students who behave like that never make it into a job, but they're still useless.

They can't go from office to runway within 30 minutes. They can't do paperwork in the plane to achieve 5 minute turn around times. They lose all decision making capacity 3 sectors in to a 10 sector day. The fact is you guys should be teaching people how to actually do what is required of the job of flying aircraft and instead you train them to jump through the useless hoops you've made up.

>>1324713
Experienced CFI's are good and you're lucky to stick with the same guy, but a little too much experience and they can go a bit funny. I know some that stubbornly insist on pouring the entire fuel drain on the tyre or keeping the manifold pressure below the RPM. I found I could get my instructors out in weather they wouldn't normally want to go out in by coming in early and coming up with pretty detailed plan regarding alternates and holding fuel. If you come to them with a detailed briefing and behave like you're about to depart they might just go along with it. Work out a timeline and do your best to stick to it.
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>>1325160
Boy you sure are a fucking mouthbreather. It is people like you who become a statistic the FAA enjoys referencing. If a student shows up wholly unprepared for an activity, or they didn't get nearly enough sleep, their performance is absolutely going to be sub-par and they will end up wasting their time and money. Not only that, it sets an extremely dangerous precedent for pilots in the industry, focusing primarily on mission completion rather than balancing the risks and making a no-go decision when necessary. Experience is the teacher for operational efficiency, and it would be foolish of me to expect my students to perform at the level of an experienced pilot on a tight schedule. Some fresh corporate pilot will take that advice, cut corners for the sake of saving time and meeting a schedule, and compromise safety when inconvenient. This attitude and approach to aviation has, does, and will continue to kill people.

I absolutely loathe people like you. Your opinion will not change how I instruct and advise my students, and I will continue to instill thoughtful decision-making skills in them regardless of half-assed opinions such as yours. Do us all a favor and avoid flying over populated areas when you inevitably crash.
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>>1325160
Read up on hazardous attitudes
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>>1325180
>"It's my way or you're literally going to die!"
The shield of every useless CFI is safety. You're absolutely deluded. The fact is all that stuff you said is totally irrelevant, every pilot that comes through the doors of reality has forgotten everything you've taught them. They've had to. I know, I was one them. My CFI was a talented teacher, friendly guy and had great stick and rudder skills, I invited him to my birthday party. But ultimately he was a CFI straight out of school and so he parroted everything the previous CFI said and so on and so everything he taught me outside of stick and rudder was wrong.

Don't think it's just me, it's everyone in commercial operations. I've worked at a few places, spent time with hundreds of pilots, we all have a good chuckle about the stupid shit our CFI's would tell us. Now I work with quite a large commercial place, over 40 pilots, they have their own internal school just to maintain currency. It's very safe, but you can bet all your little buzzwords found in your instructor text books aren't present. Either adjust to reality or train people that ultimately aren't prepared for commercial ops.
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>>1325224
You know in the airlines, a pilot can call in and say they are too tired to come into work and they will be excused, right?
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>>1324965
>or become a launch customer.
I honestly dont understand why they didnt.
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>>1325160
>I've seen students cancel flights because it's too windy

How windy is "too windy"?

I say that because we've cancelled for winds, but it's generally when it's >20kts sustained or with crosswinds of >10kts, but we fly out of a 2500'x45' strip with a river on one end, a state highway on the other end, and dense residential+shopping centers all around us, so that we have next to no margin of error.
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>>1325408
Not him.

But I was told by a very senior instructor at our school that’s been there for 15 years that it’s not a good idea to fly past the maximum demonstrated Xwind component. He said that even tho you may have the capability to fly past it, if it happens to be the one time there is an incident, the insurance company will try to fuck you hard because you “chose to accept risk by going above the published demonstrated component”
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>>1325421
Yeah, we basically stick with 2/3rds of the crosswind component because being cautious beats being a statistic, especially when you only have 45' of tarmac to land on.

I'd imagine it's a little different when your base airport has a 5000'x150' runway and you have a bit more of a fudge factor on your landings.
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>>1325348
To expand on this, it just doesn't make sense financially.
747 was a backbone of their fleet until they were forced to retire them and scramble for new planes. When the 744 launched they were already having trouble with their 741s both maintenance and fuel wise. If they bought the 744 then they would have been able to mitigate both of those problems right off the bat without having to get rid of a cornerstone of their fleet. Carl's wild ride could ha e been far less disastrous if they phased out their ancient planes a lot earlier.
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>>1325408
If you're going up solo show some common sense, don't push too far beyond what you've experienced with your CFI. But your CFI exists to keep you safe, you should be going up in challenging conditions with him so you can learn to handle it and then go up yourself.

I know some places that for whatever reason are 15kts xwind all afternoon every afternoon and students head up pre first solo and learn to grease crosswind landings that people with 5 times their hours couldn't handle elsewhere, this has to be done otherwise no one is flying.

Max demonstrated is an arbitrary number but he's right that insurance will probably fuck the school if the something happens to the plane on landing. My company has a hard limit of 25% above the max demonstrated but nine times out of 10 when you request crosswind component on short finals it will always be well below whatever was specified when you were inbound. If it is above the limit you can go around and try again.
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Why is it that main line FAs look alright, but regional FAs look like trash?
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>>1325652
I teach at an airport that regularly has springtime winds in excess of 30 kts. I don’t believe for a second private pre-solos make good landings at 15 kts direct crosswind. I’ve landed in direct crosswinds of 18-25 kts, 15 being the max demonstrated for the aircraft, and I can tell you 15 direct is a challenge for experienced pilots in a light aircraft. I’m not referring to just a smooth touchdown, but minimal sideloading, proper x-wind correction, and maintaining centerline. Pre-solo students can handle decent winds, but only direct headwind or quartering headwind, not direct crosswind.
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>>1326011
one has money, the other does not.
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Aaand I scratched my PPL EOC check for the 4th time due to weather this afternoon. 1st it was rain, 2nd it was 30kt sustained winds with 45kt gusts, 3rd it was thunderstorms, and today it was due to 1 mile visibility and a cloud deck below my airport's IFR minimums. I'm not even angry at this point, all I can do is laugh.

Should I throw a virgin in a volcano to appease the weather gods, or should I just move to Arizona?
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>>1326095
Move to Arizona. The other option is too Jewish.
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Anyone else get a little antsy when flying through low visibility conditions? I know the instruments are reliable but I just like to see things with my own eyes.
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>>1326103
Yes I do. Especially after my very first instrument flight we lost our vacuum system in hard IMC during an approach
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>>1322588
Could become an avionics Engineer or tester if you learn code
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>>1322588
Just pay as you go. It'll take a long time, but getting your license one or two years later is worth it to not be in debt.
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I passed my multi-engine checkride, my dudes.
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>>1327321
nice job my dude.
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>>1327321
Atta boy. Even now, don’t skip leg day.
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>>1327321
Based
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does anyone else go on flightradar24 and just choose a random plane to track for several hours? sometimes i look around airports to see a plane getting ready to take off then just follow them
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>>1327396
Seriously just get a job at an airport and get paid to be autistic. What do you think ramp agents at regional ports do all day?
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>>1327453
This. Do it dude, you'll be happy as a clam. Plus you can make enough after a few years to save up for your own C152 or something to fuck off with and fly GA.
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>>1327396
I do all the time. I especially like to watch planes in other countries where I am not. To see all the exotic liveries that I don't get to see at home everyday
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>>1327396
>>1327453
If in USA you can get job with the TSA. Considering what you do it's pretty good pay and benefits since it's federal.A lot of times their luggage screening areas are located close to open ramp so you can see the planes up close during down time. No flight benefits though.
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>>1327488
Sorry, I'm not gay to explore cavities.
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>>1327490
>>1327488
federal Air Marshals are apart of TSA desu

https://youtu.be/rv6O__vRTaM
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>>1327490
Yes you are
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>>1327495
That is not fun. Buttering plane is fun. Stepping AoA is fun. Deicing plane with kerosene is fun too.
>>1327499
No.
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>>1327504
YES. FAGGOT.
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>>1327520
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fresh rotor student here, probably doing conversion to fixed wing right after so i can fly both
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>>1327747
>fixed wing
Airplane
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For the lads in the KDAB area. Do you know anything about Epic Flight Academy in New Smyrna? I heard the CFIs at Epic make the most money in the area
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>>1328173
What did you hear the hourly rate was? My 141 pays $20/ hr
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>>1328175
I was told $30/hr. The school I work at right now pays $24/hr
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I have 3 hours left before hitting ATP mins. Fucking finally
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>>1328913
Congrats, bruva!
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>>1328913
wew.

Have you already applied for any regionals?
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what's the cheapest way to get my ppl
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>>1328979
Find uncle bubmblefuck CFI.
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whats the cheapest way to buy my own plane?
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>>1329035
Get a TrueSky personal loan, shit's so cash.
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who /wtg/ here
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could you arm a cessna for CAS role?
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>>1329040
>taking out a mortgage on a station wagon that flies, and sometimes kills you
Literally why. I grew up around general aviation and everyone was a fuckup, flight school addict, muh hours, muh logbook. People's wives leaving them over their flying station wagon habits. Even more depressing than compulsive gamblers.
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>>1330093
Planes before Hoes always
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Anyone get pretty savage motion sickness?
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>>1330051
Sure
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>>1330845
>slow
>terrible range
>can't fly in unfriendly airspace
How is that even useful other than for third world dictators bombing their own people with the aid of the US government?
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>>1330763
I’ve felt weird a few times. Like I was at the very beginning stages of getting sick, but luckily that hasn’t happened yet.
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>>1330763
Nah, never have.
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I just got told I'll never be able to be a pilot due to hospitalizations for depression. I wouldn't pass the medical exam.
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>>1331473
I doubt it. Here are the automatic disqualifying items, but just about anything can be bypassed with a special issuance.

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2014/january/09/fifteen-medical-disqualifications
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>>1331473
This is why you never ever complain to psychologists.
In my shithole we have obligatory military service, and people pretend to be retards, get hospitalized and after than they can't get driving license or even a good job.
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I think I’m going to start working toward my CFII. Does anyone know how the II checkride is compared to the initial? Is it significantly shorter?
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>>1330763
Gotta fly a lot to get used to it but you will.
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>>1330763
I sure hope you don't fly under the hood anytime soon.
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Can you suicide on plane? Asking for a friend.
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>tfw just hit 295 hours
>tfw 955 more to go

Fuck bros. I know I'm supposed to be enjoying the journey to the airlines, but flying survey is boring as fuck. I just want to fly a nice fast jet ;_;
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>>1332151
At least you ain’t dealing with students
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>>1332151
How many hours did they asked you to have minimum? I am not really looking forward to teach (also the CFI course is expensive)
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>>1332159
Depends on the students. If Chinese, then it's a bad time. If white, not so much.
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>>1319210
tfw still cant get back to learning for my PPL because of my motorcycle crash (pic related) hopefully only another month of waiting
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>>1332169
I've had aggravating students of all kind.
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>>1331621
II checkride is much shorter cause you don't have to worry about REEPIR RUAC and all that crap.

The examiners around here typically just ask you to teach something IFR related (typically systems if you're in a TAA) then you fly your 3 approaches from the right seat
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>>1332159
Thank God for that, you're right.

>>1332163
Minimums for the job? It's a really small company so I got lucky and got hired at 230 with my Commercial Multi
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>>1332100
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>>1332176
Damn lad, don’t ride motorcycles anymore
>>1332178
As long as they speak clear English I think the are better. I have a brand new Hispanic student and he doesn’t speak clear English, and it’s even worse because he gets super nervous
>>1332258
What’s the deal with the PTS then? I looked at the II PTS and it shows a section for FOI
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>>1332269
Tell him to quit wasting his time and go find another career. Clear communications is one of the highest forms of safety in aviation and if he can't speak clear English, he needs to just get out. Harsh reality, but no one wants to die from a language incompatibility.
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>>1332267
Which plane is better for CFIT? Preferably without ignition keys.
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>>1332295
yeah maybe I should. He told me he went to ATP Flight School but quit after his 4th lesson because it was too hard. Honestly, I think he will quit himself. I asked him why he is working on his private, what his ambitions are, and he said “I don’t know. I guess I want to fly in the airlines. But I hate traveling”
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>>1332100
a friend of a neighbor borrowed an airplane, flew it directly offshore and then (everyone assumes) jumped out or killed himself inside the plane because radar data showed the planed continuing a relatively constant course and altitude afterwards. The plane or the guy's body was never found.
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>>1332341
Can airbus autoland without pilot? Asking for a friend
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>>1332350
Theoretically maybe but practically never.
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>>1332151
>flying survey
What do you do exactly?
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>>1332416
Not that anon but I am guessing he flies pre-determined routes at certain altitudes in a plane that either has a LIDAR or plain Radar to take topography information from the terrain or under water.
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>>1332394
Then plane would suicide too.
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Why aren't pressurized piston planes more popular? Apparently the only one still made is the Piper M350, sure it's a bit slower than turboprops but seems pretty damn similar for 1/2-1/5th the cost and cheaper operation. I don't know shit about planes so redpill me.
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>>1329027
how long does it normally take to get a PPL?
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>>1332445
Insurance and complexity. Another system for the operator to maintain, another thing the pilot has to do, and many times it is not automated on smaller aircraft. It also requires another endorsement.
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>>1332169
all my chinese (non initial) students were great. My Israeli students were the shitheads. The Americans were a mixed bag
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>>1332461
So the advantage of higher altitude isn't as great as I'm thinking?
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>>1332452
It's up to you. Three months is about as quick as you can do it. One year is the longest you should go.

Either way enjoy PPL training while you can. I know students all want to get up there and be a stud but honestly PPL is the most stress free part of your career (aside from those first couple solo flights). Nobody expects shit out of you as a PPL student, enjoy that while it lasts.
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>tfw you get a new student
>he seems really squared away
>he tells you he has previously flown a lot and is solid on his maneuvers
>you go out to the plane with him and he has no method to his preflight
>can’t taxi on center line
>can’t hold altitude at all during cruise

Fugg. This guy disappointed me.
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>>1332477
Treat every student like they've never even flown on a commercial flight before.
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>>1332478
This same guy was like “I really want to solo soon. My landings were good in the past”

I didn’t let him land today. I figure he can’t be ready to fly the pattern and land if he can’t even hold an altitude in cruise
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>>1332483
Was this in a Tomahawk? Trainers usually hold altitude almost on their own.
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>>1325224
Yeah, you sound like you work for a shitty 135 for pilots with DUI's who have literally no other job options besides instructing, except your instructing skills are shit.

Internal school? Yeah what decent operation doesn't have a training department? That doesn't make your opinion any more valid. Besides, you're going off on instructing methods that have been tried and tried again and found to be effective for the majority of pilots in preventing accidents and incidents.

And of course most instructors don't know what it's like off 'in the real world.' The grand majority of CFI's do the job out of school because there aren't other good options. Unless flight schools start paying more they just won't attract the kind of experience you believe could make things better. Even if you started a school and trained people how you think they should I'd have a hard time believing you'd ever get someone to pass a checkride.
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>>1325421
He's not wrong, but it's also about protecting the manufacturer from litigation. It's so that more experienced pilots/operators willing to accept the risk can land in higher crosswinds without breaking regulations but with no promise of safety.
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>>1332489
>TFW learned to fly in high school, and my CFI was an old retired boomer who just loved flying
>all my AvFag friends went to ERAU or Purdue and got trained by nervous kids only 2 years older than they were.

Feels pretty good.
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>>1332496
Got mine in NZ. Basically was hanging out with the lads all day
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>>1332445
They’re usually powered by twin turbocharged 6 cylinders and they’re just a bitch to maintain. The pressurization is usually supplied with bleed air from one of the turbochargers and they just don’t really last. This makes the airplane less reliable and less flexible for the business types that tend to fly cross country GA planes. As the fleet ages (p210, Malibu, etc) the cost of owning and operating goes up and turboprops begin to make a lot more sense. The Malibu specifically has had a genuinely hilarious amount of engine failures because there’s simply too much being asked of the engine and eventually it gives up. I know that an Aerostar can easily exceed 50k on a routine annual, much of this is dedicated to maintaining a pair of high strung turbocharged engines. Add all this to what the previous anon said about insurance and complexity and it’s just not a practical way to fly for most people in this day and age.
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>>1332519
Know of any problems with the pressurized Cessna 337?
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>>1332496
And then I get assigned one of those students taught by one of those old salty instructors and they don’t know any private pilot level knowledge. It’s a wonder how some people pass the checkride.
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>>1330855
cheap as fuck
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>>1332496
I share that feel. Both of my main instructors throughout my entire training regimen were great, both old vets.
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>>1332496
>TFW learned to fly in high school, and my CFI was an old retired boomer who just loved flying
yeah those guys are the best. I am slowly working on my CFII right now, and I asked our school’s boomer if he wanted to go do some approaches with me in actual. It was fun. He was busting my balls every time we flew through a cloud and we would get rattled around from updrafts he’d say “you know, you just like shaking this plane around don’t you? George (referring to the autopilot) wouldn’t do that. He’d keep it nice and smooth”
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>>1332522
all of this plus it's a twin and the rear engine has cooling issues. Some say the cessna retractable gear is a weak point but personally I don't think they're much worse than all the other offerings.
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~Reminder~

Aviation > girls
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>>1333114
Idk about that, anon. A couple chicks at my 141 that I wouldn't mind if they "input my yoke".
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>>1333121
I bet they are all on that #WIA train aren’t they?
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Don't want to sound retarded but why do all modern planes have engines under the wing instead of at the rear like the VC-10?
The wing can be made to a more efficient shape, plus it avoids the issues with fitting larger turbofans onto planes like the 737 MAX. There must be better reasons to avoid this layout but I can't think of any.
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>>1333140
Surprisingly not. I'm at a really conservative school.
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>>1333150
There are two REALLY good looking qts at my school. But both of them are apart of the Women in Aviation chapter. That shit is toxic, and it’s bs that women get scholarships just because they have pussies and tits.
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>>1333144
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>>1333144
https://youtu.be/4zKfw0yAQmI
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>>1333144
>Don't want to sound retarded but why do all modern planes have engines under the wing instead of at the rear like the VC-10?
Having the mass of the engine under the wing allows the engine to balance the upward lift which reduces the bending moment in the wing root. That ultimately makes the wing root lighter, as the reduced bending means less mass at the root to counteract it. Additionally, bleed air for wing deice is not as effective when the engine is mounted on the rear of the fuselage.
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>>1333154

We've( >>1333150 ) got the WIA too, it's just that the girls aren't shoving feminist shit in our faces or even bring up WIA at all unless it's at our yearly meeting, which lasts all of 30 minutes.
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>>1333114
Confirm
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>>1333155
>>1333157
Should have clarified by adding wide-body aircraft, looks neat though

>>1333158
Thanks for that anon
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Fuck. I failed my CFI checkride for the second time. I had finals this week and I got too distracted from flying. Feels fucking awful. I just want to start working in time for summer.
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>>1333210
Shit lad. Tell us what happened both times?
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>>1333206
>Thanks for that anon
np
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What's the fastest plane under a million dollars? Good condition used planes allowed.
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>>1333241
F-104
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>>1333241
A nice SUV.
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>>1333241
Rented one.
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>>1333237
Ok the first time I fucked up on some pretty basic stuff. I really stumbled through explaining principles of flight and navigation. I went home and studied the shit out of those sections and a few more I felt weren't up to par and put extra effort in being clear and understandable. My DPE cancelled on me the day before my Checkride two separate times this last month because of health issues, so I dealt with a lot of false starts. All this is manageable but when I finally got a date set before my 60 days expired, it was in the middle of finals week.
TL:DR I didn't have enough time to pass my finals and prepare for the flight portion of my Checkride.
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Posted this earlier but jannies deleted it.

Story of QF72 which had a similar failure to the recent 737MAX but landed safely.

https://www.baka.com.au/national/i-ve-become-very-isolated-the-aftermath-of-near-doomed-qf72-20190514-p51n7q.html
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>>1333269
based wordfilters break the url. It should be S then M then H .com.au
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>>1333261
That’s really shitty. So, I suppose you have to do the full ride over again?
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>>1323055
that's a good way to look at things, anon. I'm often upset that I ended up living during this time, but hey, we've got planes which is nice
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>>1333258
>>1333260
Answer honestly damn it
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>>1323055
>>1333282
Tfw

https://youtu.be/S0Tzfi5iLwc
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>>1333295
I did. Look up Courtesy Aircraft Sales out of Illinois, they have a TF-104G that needs to be re-assembled for $395k. But it's all there and waiting for a willing buyer.
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>>1333295
But rented will be faster anyway.
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Is it worth trying to get into this as a 22 year old?
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>>1333337
31 and I just started the path to ATP. Several dudes in front of me were 40 and got their ATP, so you are ripe, ripe, ripe to get into it.
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>>1333338
Not him, but I can finish my EE uni program (at 27-ish) and get into aviation as in airbus driver no problem?
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>>1333338
Finally I see someone my age who wants in. What path are you taking? And more importantly, how on earth are you paying for it?
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>>1333340
141. And I hate to admit it on here, but trustfundbaby. Really, a lot of the students at my 141 are.
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>>1333339
It's going to take a good chunk of change, so if you are already dropping big coin at uni, you may want to re-consider....unless you are a fellow trustfundie.
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>>1333297
If this movie was made today that scene would be considered sexist and blamed for objectifying women
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>>1333338
Are there any specific books I should have a look at before commiting anything?
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>>1333333
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>>1333357
Eh, not specific books, but the FAA has a lot of free information on their website like the Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautic Knowledge or PHAK and other stuff on there that you can look through. Lots of info on private and recreational pilot stuff on there. Also, there is one company that everyone uses at my 141 and it is stuff from Gleim Publications. They have some indispensable prep guides for all the pilot courses one needs to know and pass for their ATP. They will have a guide for how to get everything, basically. Great website, too. Prices also aren't bad for their reading material.
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>>1333357
Literally just take a look at this playlist

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnjaM9eVs4pvHFgcSAkepEbWwQpGtbY5c
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>>1333342
I have 6 years to reconsider. Plus, you better have 4 years of high education.
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>>1333407
Do it then. I've never been happier in my life. I never knew what I was going to do in life until this came to me.
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>>1333278
Yup. Im just going to look at it from the point that passing the test next time will make it all the sweeter after all the trouble I had.
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>>1333503
Sign up with this link (it’s free) and you’ll have access to CFI checkride prep videos

https://lufthansa-aviation-training-usa.com/cfi/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=CFI%20Videos
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>>1333382
Thanks man these videos are bretty nice. Wrapping my head around pitch controlling speed and throttle controlling height is weird though
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>>1333887
It really takes practice. The more you get a real feel for it, the more naturally it will come to you. I'm sure you personally would get a feel for how to use the controls within the first 10 lessons of being in a trainer plane. If you've flown in any simulators before, you'll pick it up quick. I promise.
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>>1333888
Are there any good simulators you reccomend or is ye olde microsoft flight sim with a joystick passable?
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>>1333890
X-Plane 11 is pretty good in my opinion, the default Cessna that is included is accurate as well and the pseudo-G1000 it has is decent. Unlike FSX you have stuff like left turning tendencies and the likes.
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>>1333891
This, or if you can get cheap access to a Redbird full motion simulator, that is more than sufficient to get a real feel for the aircraft. In my opinion, the redbird was the closest to getting me ready for a true flight school by the way the simulator responded to control inputs. It really did feel like I were in a C172.
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>>1333894
Dunno man, the feel might be accurate but the physics model sucks. If I remember correctly it runs Prepar3D but a very early version which is basically FSX at that point. Very exagerated stalls and RPMs are weird as well (at slow flight I had to keep max RPM almost all the time) but I guess its better than looking at a screen.
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>>1333895
From my experience, the stall was slightly more exaggerated than what an actual 172 gave, though the Redbird didn't quite give an accurate feel for Gs, either. The stall recovery in Redbird was always more "attitude up" than the actual 172, imo.
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>>1333409
I have no idea I'm going to do with my life too.
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Soon it will be the 10 year anniversary of this insane aircraft crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

>First officer Robert said to himself, "climb" four times.
>Bonin heard this and replied, "But I've been at maximum nose-up for a while!"

Holy fuck how can a pilot be so fucking stupid? I get angry just thinking about this faggot pulling on his stick.
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>>1333974
bewteen this and Germanwing I avoid European air travel at all cost. too much incompetence.
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>>1333980
>lamo I pull back on stick why it no go up

This is advanced incompetence though. The other pilot took over and tried to fix that shit but the guy just kept pulling holy shit
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>>1333974
> "the misleading stopping and starting of the stall warning alarm, contradicting the actual state of the aircraft, greatly contributed to the crew's difficulty in analyzing the situation."

is there a situation where a stall is escaped by pulling back on the stick and increasing aoa? when I see aerobatics pilots stall their planes, they literally point their nose at the ground in order to recover. they do it to gain speed before leveling out the plane, right? so why the fuck would they ever do the opposite of that
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>>1333974
>Holy fuck how can a pilot be so fucking stupid? I get angry just thinking about this faggot pulling on his stick.
My best guess is that they were asleep/tired. This combined with shitty training resulted in, well AF447.
On CVR they sounded tired.
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>>1334006
Tired enough to randomly pull back on the stick after flying through some turbulence? I can buy that. Dude pulled on the stick until he literally died though
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>>1334006
The fags shouldn't have partied with Brasilian trannies the night before.
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>>1334010
lmao
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>>1333990
you wanna talk about advanced incompetence? this is turbo incompetence.
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>>1333974
>autopilot off
>autothrottle off
>flight director off
>ok actually fly the plane now asshole
>he could've done anything
>faggot climbs till he stalls and crashes

lamo
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>>1334016
>taking off while a plane is still in the runway

Yep. TURBO incompetence
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>>1334020
not a single thing went correctly in that whole sequence of events
>terrorist attack only damages a flowershop
>controllers dont shut down the airport with no visibility because the wanted to get home to see a football game
>KLM pilot holds up the entire line by filling a tank to go to Amsterdam rather than just to go to the next island
>two other crew members dont correct him because theyre afraid the captain might yell at them
>pan-am plane trying to tell them they were there was stepped on by three other people
>firefighters only find the pan am plane 20 minutes after the whole thing began
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>>1334016
>terrorists crow airport
>fucking clouds and fog all over the place
>plane on the runway cant see the fucking taxiway
>another confirms take off clearance
>they get post take off instructions (??)
>they say they're "at takeoff", von zaten says they're going
>get told to standby for clearance
>taxiing plane radios in at the same time, they miss the message
>proceed to missile the fucking taxiing plane

holy shit how can so many fucking things go wrong at once
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>>1334027
it gets worse, see >>1334023
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>>1334023
>>1334027
>>1334030
>"There he is!"
> "Goddamn, that son-of-a-bitch is coming!",
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>>1334010
Kek.
>>1334009
When you are asleep, you don't understand what the fuck are you doing.
Similar stuff happened to me many times during electronics repair in 3:00 AM... I though that I didn't fix the shit, but I was measuring wrong thing all the time. At least I didn't broke fucking laptop.
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>>1334009
Same happened with that Colgan flight
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>>1334068
>that wikipedia video
>everything going normally
>then everything goes literally apeshit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/NTSB_Colgan_Air_Flight_3407_Crash_Animation.ogv
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Is it worth shilling out for a (((warthog))) joystick or will cheaper ones make do?
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>>1334068
Plus an uncommanded flap retraction by the pilot not flying DURING icing conditions, which is the one time you really don't want to be moving your flaps one way or the other. Colgan was a watershed crash in American aviation safety.
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How many pilots had played simulators (PC sims, not special ones they use for training)?
How many simmers had become pilots?
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>>1334869
Me
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>>1334027
and to top it all off the dutch vehemently deny that the KLM plane was at fault to this day when all evidence points to the contrary.
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>>1334909
Both?
Anyway, why the controlling simulators is so difficult? Do I have shitty input devices (touchpad + kbd)?
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>>1335122
No, really, I can't even car simulator, while I have and drive manual skybox.
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post cockpits
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>>1335389
that seems a bit unnerving.....
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>>1335869
the engine needed to be checked for demons



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