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>>1263320
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>ywn dredge up your own private island and declare independence
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It’s time to post some paystubs people!!!
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>>1316609
how many good boy points does a 50' yacht cost?
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>>1316631
If you have to ask - you're not a good enough boy
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Anyone here watch some Mariner vlogs like Chief makoi?
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Chief makoi raped me in my cabin when i was on his ship
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>>1316745
Me too but I wouldn't call it a rape, just a bit rough at the end, apparently my ass wasn't tight enogh.
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>>1316717
Eh, I usually can't stomach those channels. They either overplay the romance of being at sea to saccharine levels, or make it look like Deadly Catch. I mean, we're basically truck drivers of the sea, people.
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How is it to stand watch on the bridge? Can you bring a laptop to do something or is it hellish boredom?

Share some experiences.
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>>1316607
it's never too late
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>>1317265
Depends on captain and your exp level
If you have some exp and convince the captain it won't distract you from navigation won't be a problem.
Just don't watch movies or play games or any activity that requires you spending long times at it.
I used it for music and nav programs. Don't listen to music at hight level so you don't hear vhfs
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>>1317505
Or alternative, just turn the VHF up so the music isn't going over it.
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>>1317653
Capt won't see it that way
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>>1317791
My last captain thought the same until a coast guard broadcast came in at the perfect time and started talking over the whole bridge. After that I had earned his trust.
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>>1316896
Only we carry way more cargo, have bigger transportation means, travel longer, see more of the world and earn more
But other then that, yeah
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>go outside
>look astern
>see this
what do?
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>>1319412
Contemplate your life, will you die smiling or full of regrets?
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How many condoms should i bring for the master? I want to make sure his wiener doesnt have any poop on it for when he inevitably asks me to bend over.
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What are the officer meals like on cruise ships?
I'm considering making the switch.
Do I still have to sit for hours next to people I cant stand, while munching greasy boomer food, or can I just eat whatever I want, hopefully healthy, and fuck right off without getting liver cancer?
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>>1319472
Yes. If you're an officer, you can eat in the crew mess, the separate officer's mess, or even the passenger buffet for free. You're under no obligation to converse with any of the passengers during your meals as long as you rebuff them politely, although you do have to humor them when you're on duty in passenger areas.

You can also typically eat at the fancy restaurants onboard, but for those you need to be wearing your dress blues and you are responsible for the cost of the meal, which is typically just deducted from your paycheck like most other spending expenses onboard.
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>>1319486
Am I allowed to sniff the passengers buttholes during my offhours? Asking for a friend.
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>>1319486
Not the other anon
Its reasonable to take it off your pay, but it aint for me mate. The appeal of being 3 months at sea is barely paying anything while getting a fat paycheck.
Would totally do it as a captain tbqh, invite the golddiggers and their fat old husbands to the captains dinner and fuck the whore afterwards.
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>>1319491
>Its reasonable to take it off your pay, but it aint for me mate.
That's for the expensive places, anon. Like, if you wanted to eat at the ship's Michelin Star rated steakhouse or if you wanted to partake in the ship's sushi bar. You can eat in the officer's mess getting the same food as the main restaurant for free all you want.
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>>1319486
Sounds good.
I'm only a few pounds away from my target weight and i'd like to eat a salad once in a while.
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>>1319490
You meme, but fraternizing (fucking) passengers is literally the second-fastest way to get yourself fired after showing up on duty drunk.
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>>1319495
You can eat a salad every single day if you so choose. The officer's mess typically has multiple ones on the menu you can order, on top of the make-your-own fare in the mess cooler.
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>>1319496
So you not only chastise yourself from anything but buttsecks for 3 months but you have women walking around as well?
Thats some fucked up level of cuckery right there
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>>1319505
Who said anything about "chastizing yourself from anything but buttsex"? The ship has a crew of almost a thousand people and several hundred of them are women because the majority of the ship's crew is the Hotel department. You can fuck as many Filipina room stewards and European dancers and American tour guides as you want as long as they're not your direct subordinate.
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>>1319554
Sign me the fuck up
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>>1319590
you wont make money working on a cruise ship
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>>1319801
The tradeoff is that you get to work on a ship that isn't pure hell.
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>>1319873
>Babysitting thousands of fat, drunk, entitled boomers
Sounds like hell to me, m8
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>>1319908
>implying that's your job
The extent of your babysitting is being polite to passengers when you're in passenger areas, and being helpful if they approach you with questions. You're Deck Department. You actually drive the ship. Actually catering to the passengers' needs is the job of the Hotel Department.
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>>1319966
I’d still hate all PAX on principle though
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>>1319978
It's different being on a passenger ship. Passengers hitching a ride on a cargo ship are just unwelcome guests getting in your way and eating your food, but pax on a passenger ship ARE your cargo. There's also an entire department whose job is to interact with them and clean up after them, so with that off your back you're already predisposed to deal with them better.
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>>1317265
It's hellish boredom even with a laptop
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Whoop dee scoop dee poop dee doop the WHOOP.

I just got my first sea hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YASSSSSS QUEEN JUST LOGGED MY SECOND HOUR AT SEA!
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>>1320239
What do you do? how it going?
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gonna be going around the horn of africa as a cadet and first time aboard what am I in for?
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>>1320256
Boat stuff
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>>1320256
Be sure to bring a box of condoms on board for the master. He's going to want to put his penis in you anus, and you want to make sure there isn't any poo on his phallus after he pulls out.
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>>1320652
But i only want to get fugged in the bum by a futa anon
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same dude from last thread wanting to gtfo of maritime academy here.

I still havent decided. Im seeing my options into the IT field since that is what I want to do.

Would you say I will regret it later not going for the Merchant Marine? I have an opinion formed now but I'll never actually know how bad or good it is if I never actually sail for long periods

would have to invest 3 years of my life to find out tho
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>>1321216
You need to figure out what it is that you want first. Having your hand in two pots at the same time never turns out well. Either dedicate yourself to a career at sea and work your way up, or dedicate yourself to IT and suck on the jew's proverbial cock.

Kapa Kapa
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>>1321216
So do you get payed by nationality (where you were born), citizenship (where you have a passport) or residence (where you live at the time)
Im thinking about getting my fat western euro paycheck and living in a balkan state with cheap houses, booze and basically cheap everything
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>>1321469
wasnt meant for that anon but the thread in general
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>>1321469
More or less what's written on your passport
There are a lot of job vacancies that require uk pass, us driver license

And at the bottom of the page. We don't discriminate baseed on sex age race etc
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>>1321469
Really fucking depends where ya wanna work bud. If ya wanna work the great lakes like a real man, we only take canucks and americans in most roles. including deck. If you're deep sea, filipinos and indians are the norm at $800 USD/ month for deck
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>>1321721
>we only take canucks and americans in most roles. including deck
Because in order to sail there you have to have fucking pilotage for each individual lake.
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any OS or ABs here? what do you guys usually do other than muh paint ship n derust?
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>>1322256
They also grease.
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>>1322305
eh but other than that mate give me a TLDR breakdown (if you want to make it TLDR)
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>>1321721
care to give a summary of your career in transportation?

I'd appreciate any anon describing how they got into the field, their role, the highs and the lows.
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>>1322256
We basically paint and chip rust. This boat has no stewards department so we’re also responsible for cleaning the house.
Otherwise we’re on bridge watch when underway, and we’re also responsible for landing and lashing cargo
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>>1322346
oh hey tugfag you ever steered the ship or do you only do watch?
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>>1322347
The AB’s are all on deck when the boat is maneuvering in port.
I’ve maintained the course while underway a bit, but even then there isn’t really a true helm or dedicated helmsman on a supply boat
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>>1322347
Switching from comercial to offshore I was surprised that there was no ab an the brige for entering/ leaving/ passages on the bridge

I discovered that in order to do that they had to know how to operate 2-3 azimuth thrusters or 2 engines, 2 propellers, 1/2 bow thrusters and 1/2 stern thrusters as opposed to only helm in commercial.
Can't say that steering the ship while cadet and junior off with retarded captns that put officers on the wheel during Antwerp, Rotterdam, Hamburg, Huston passages didn't pay out. But at the time being 6 hrs on manual not able to move wasn't fun.
Seen too many off, chief mates and even captains that have no fucking idea how to steer a ship and many capts that just parrot what the pilot says.

A real challenge for me was learning azimuth trusters. Where you steer right to turn left, similar to overboard engines in small boats.
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What does /mg/-/n/ think of leeboards? They're basically a pair of pivoting side-keels installed traditionally on the sides of low-draught ships, and are often wing-shaped to provide "lift" against heeling.
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Do any of you guys have gym memberships back at home? I want to get fit but don't want to pay $60/mo when I'm only home like 5 months per year.
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>>1323058
Get into bodyweight fitness, or kettlebells. Results with minimal equipment/cost
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>>1323280
Only if you're a fatass. Doesn't work for spookmasters, which I'm assuming is about 90% of this lycra-wearing board.
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>>1323302
>he thinks /mg/ has anything in common with the rest of /n/
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>>1323058
If you’re in the US planet fitness is about $10 a month
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For me, it's the Great Lakes freighter.
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why do you like ships
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>>1323609
I was almost made, born and practically raised on a ship
Theres nothing more comfy for me then being at sea
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>>1323609 #
I’m actually here to confront my phobias of large watercraft and shipwrecks
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>>1323609
ships are hammocks with an engine its relaxing sometimes.
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>>1316631

100 to 150k, £ or $ if you don't mind a bit of work. Just make sure the sails and rigging are up together. Most of the cost is to keep the thing running though.
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>>1316631
Get a job on one and pretend its yours and youll paid to do it
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since this thread is dead probably because half of yall are working on ship rn got any stories to share?
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>>1324918
Last week while i was on watch in the bridge i had itchy butt. So took my finger and cleaned out sphincter, making sure to wipe my finger clean on the sea clutter dial.
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>>1325199
Big if true
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Have any of you guys done any LSFO trials?
Is your ship planning to use new, barely tested and non-standardized LSFO fuel when 2020 comes or will you just switch to expensive MGO at all times because it's tried and true?

Any of you on a scrubber-fitted vessel? Have you seen what the open-loop discharge water looks like? It sounds bad but all the (((studies))) now claim it's perfectly safe.
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Job opportunity here
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>>1325952
>implying any of the Americans in here have a Master's license
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>>1325970
>implying any of the Americans in here want to live in a shitty place like LA
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>>1326159
Moreso this desu. Fuck the Bay and fuck LA.
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>>1326159
>>1327368
>turning your nose up at pilotage
spotted the brownwater fags
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>>1319496
>literally the second-fastest way to get yourself fired after showing up on duty drunk
Ayy lmao, I interned for a large cruise line and had to drag the first engineer back to his cabin when he had passed out in a passenger corridor. No way he turned up sober on his next shift.
Hell, you could refuse an alcohol sniff test and if your superior liked you, you could get away with it.
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>>1328898
never turned my nose up at pilotage im just saying LA is a shit place to live
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post sea stories
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>>1329128
No u
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>>1329157
im just a cadet
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>>1329698
Shouldnt you be sucking the capns cock then
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>>1329733
>all captains like their dicks sucked by young boys
Go fuck yourself and your gay fantasies
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>>1329830
>He doesnt know
Enjoy the raep
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>>1329842
I'm a captain you fucking african american
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>>1329846
And you dont like your dick getting sucked?
What are you, fucking gay?
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>>1329850
By other men no
If this makes me gay so be it
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What's it like to be a marine engineer? I live in the Netherlands and probably will be going to college majoring in the merchant marine industry, either becoming a steersman or engineer.
The work/leave ratio is one of the main reasons of why I'm interested in this field, apart from the thrill of adventure, of course. I don't care about not being at home for a long time.
I probably will become an engineer, because I'm afraid the automation of ships will get rid of a lot of steersman jobs.
At the end of June I will board a ship, which will fare to Scandinavia, to see what it's like to work on a ship. If this doesn't leave a good impression, I won't be majoring in this field.
Any advice for a possible young merchant marine?
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>>1330990
>I probably will become an engineer, because I'm afraid the automation of ships will get rid of a lot of steersman jobs.
Automaton would kill engies too. The goal with automation is to do away with crew entirely. So don't go Engine if that's your only reason; go Engine if you want to get your hands dirty fixing things and keeping the ship running.

As for advice: bring shit to do when you're off watch. You'll have a lot of time on your hands. A LOT. And keep in mind, everyone has a bad first day out. You're going to be seasick until your body gets used to the constant motion of the vessel. Take your seasickness pills if you need them; it's much more important for you to be able to do your duties than it is to look "tough" in front of the old salts. They'll think you're a greenhorn pussy starting out anyways no matter what you do.

Ultimately, whether or not this job is for you comes down to if you have the sea in your blood, and you won't find that out until you actually go out on the water.
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>>1316896
Truck driving is nothing more than advanced pizza delivery. Changing the mode is just a different skillset/time commitment.

Everything is just advanced pizza delivery:

Taxi/pizza delivery>truck driving>train engineer>ship captain>airline pilot>interplanetary space ship captain

All essentially the same job. And if we go back to primitive times, your just the merchant with a pack mule, stage coach, or part of a caravan.

On the cosmic viewpoint it’s all the same job.
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>>1320024
Out of curiosity how does one become a passenger on a cargo ship?
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>>1331724
You buy a ticket
Its more expensive then a cheap cruise but youll spend a lot less at the bar
https://www.cargoshipvoyages.com/
>>1330990
Waar zit je? Hopelijk niet rotterdam
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>>1331724
There are a few agencies that will help you book passage on the few companies that still offer it. Alternatively, like tugfag, your company could be chartered to carry workers to an offshore platform.
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>>1331729
Or you are someone's wife
More commonly capts wife but ive been on a vsl where 3rd off wife was onboard for 2 weeks. Helps if you are managerial lvl
The company must allow it. Some don't
The capt must allow it. Some don't
You'll pay for her plane tickets but not for her food and accommodation while on board. Might depend on company. Never sailed for one that charged for those but you never know
If you are trading some nice areas and nice ports would be nice
I wanted to get my gf while I was trading in the Caribbean sea. Not much time in port but a lot of anchor time, used the rescue boat to go every at at the beach and swimming In photoshopped clear water. Even bought snorkeling eqp, so I thought was nice for her to be there.
Got ok from company and capt. But until my gf made up her mind capt left, new capt came on board, he was a retard, never bothered to ask him, just told my gf to w8 for me home. I was c/o then
Drinking on bord. Is it allowed or dry ship? Having a woman onboard and alcohol is not a nice mix
Also having rednecks niggers and women is also not a nice mix if you don't want to hear redneck nigger comments about your girl
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>>1331729
>Waar zit je?
Ik ga in Vlissingen studeren.
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>>1331720
>The goal with automation is to do away with crew entirely.
How long until this happens? And also, won't there be a crew needed on board just in case something goes wrong?

>whether or not this job is for you comes down to if you have the sea in your blood
I'll know that at the end of June when I will go and board a cargo ship for a week.
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>>1331729
Good god almighty! Airplanes seem cheaper.

Thanks for the info.
>>1331730
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>>1331759
Years and years and years. I'd say you can safely enter the industry and MAYBE by the time you're ready to retire you'll be relegated to maintaining autoships when they enter port.
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do cargo ships give seasickness?
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The container ship industry will collapse for other reasons before automated shipping happens.
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>>1332060
>container ship industry will collapse
It will contract, that's for certain. But collapse? No way in hell. The technology was too revolutionary. We're not going to change from containers unless something better comes along; we're definitely not going back to breakbulk.
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Navy comms guy here with a question to anyone out there who can answer.

>What do commercial ships use for their IP services underway and what's the speed like?

We use X/KA (SHF) band primarily sometimes dual simplex over EHF and the speeds are are around 2mb or higher depending on your platform.

How much do commercial comms guys make and what else do they do besides maintaining IP services?

With the Navy we maintain a multitude of circuits ranging from HF to EHF but I don't see a commercial ship using that much.

Also do you guys use crypto devices at all, taclanes (INE) etc?
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>>1332080
Don't know the actual tech, but merchie internet is sat based, generally a European provider.
>2MB
fucking KEK, we're lucky to get dialup speeds.

>How much do commercial comms guys make and what else do they do besides maintaining IP services?
Merchie radio officers are extremely rare; very few ships have them anymore. However, for the ships that do have them, that's their job. They maintain all of the radio equipment: the VHF, the MF/HF, the INMARSAT-C console, the sat phone, the pirate distress button, AND the radars. I think they're also responsible for maintaining/troubleshooting the fire detection system as well. But as I said, most ships don't have radio officers anymore, they rely on shoreside experts to fix their shit. But cruise ships all have one; too many electronics and too many people to just write systems off until they reach port.

>Also do you guys use crypto devices at all, taclanes (INE) etc?
Nope, not that I'm aware of. Not in times of peace, anyways.
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>>1332084
So even on merchies there's nobody to maintain the on board radio equipment?

I bet being comms on a cruise ship not only pays really well but is also a sweet gig (prob not)
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>>1332087
>So even on merchies there's nobody to maintain the on board radio equipment?
Nope, crews have been cut down to the bare minimum. Usually like 20-25 souls, tops.

>I bet being comms on a cruise ship not only pays really well but is also a sweet gig (prob not)
lel, you vastly underestimate just how many fire detectors are on a cruise ship, along with how many wifi routers there are, and how many phones. All of those are your responsibility too. I think the pay is comparable to a First Engineer/Chief Officer, though; I know the comms guys on Norwegian ships are 3-bar officers.
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>>1331759
Please do report back on your experience.

Im an academy student and I wanna leave everyday, but ive never actually got on board and I dont wanna have any regrets
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anyone here working at one of the big companies like MSC, ZUD?, Hamburg (basically every company that works around the ocean). How did you get the job as a foreigner?
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Apply at their office in your country
Apply at a crewing company that recruits for them in your country
Apply on their website

:|
Cmon nigger is not really that hard
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Cmon post bridge pics
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is it true that you make a lot of money as a deck hand?
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>>1332335
i said as a foreigner nigger. like say im a brit and i want to work for a US company but they dont have a company here what can i do?
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>>1333234
Msc zud etc all are international companies so they hire world wide
If you want ti work for an eskimo company prob you can't coz they hire only eskimos
But you can try their website and see their requirements, us flagged vsls require us working visa to work there if not national
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How much fuel do shipowners steal from charterers typically?

I know fuel consumption is overstated on charterparties but by how much?
On an average vessel, let's say a Supramax, which burns about 22-25mt of FO per day at "eco" speeds, is the theft like 1-2mt per day or is it like 5mt?
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>>1334290
Depends on contract.
If the charter pays for fuel, and ship is time charter there is no need to steal fuel coz you can't do shit with it. As an owner at least, the crew can and usually does
;)
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well boys, back to the boat tomorrow.
fucc
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>>1334518
Is working on these types of shifts really any better than a normal work schedule?
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>>1334518
how was your vacation mate?
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>>1334631
Like anything in life, it has pros and cons
Pros:
>Weeks/months of "vacation" time in equal parts
>No daily commute
>Removed from the teeming masses of humanity for a period
>Room and board covered
Cons:
>Weeks/months stuck at work
>Can't leave the boat and go for a walk
>Cooped up with mouth breathing crewmates
>You will miss important events, holidays, anniversaries

For me, it's the boat schedule. I'm on a two week rotation, and I love the block of time I get off, and you're never too far away from getting back home. As far as holidays are concerned, my family has come to recognize that it's making the time to be together that's important, not just the special day. But shit, I've been doing this since I was 19. I'm ruined, if I had to switch to a 9-5 office job, dealing with traffic both ways five days a week I'd probably go ballistic and open fire into the general public.
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gonna be working on a cargo ship for 6 months and I don't own a laptop, am I screwed?
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>>1335199
Better just off yourself right now if thats your biggest worry.
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>>1335199
Hope you've got a lot of memories in the spankbank
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Navy Comms guy here again.

One thing that is heavily stressed on our vessels is damage control, as you can imagine. We run a few drills every week, some being major such as general quaters (battle scenario) and some fire drills, toxic gas, flooding etc.

On merch ships I can imagine you doing battle scenarios but do you guys do fire/flooding etc drills and is everyone required to fully dress out and "fight" the causality?
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>>1335387
Yeah. Fire, abandon ship, grounding, flooding, etc. The intensity and thoroughness varies from ship to ship and crew to crew. But at the least it's all done at the bare minimum to satisfy safety standards.
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>>1334518
I feel you bro, I'm waiting for a call any day
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>>1334631
Like >>1335066 said, lots of pros and cons.
You rationalize it to yourself in different ways, but you can’t just “pause” your home life while you’re on the boat, and that definitely has an effect on you.
But I doubt I’d want to go back to a shoreside job unless I went back to harbor towing or if I can eventually become a pilot (which is my end goal)

>>1334641
Overall it was pretty good, did a lot of shooting and probably more drinking than I should have.
>>1335467
The last few days before going back are always the worst and always shoots my anxiety through the roof because I feel like I didn’t get nearly as much accomplished as I initially planned ahah
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>>1335479
Fuck mate i want to move to the US and shoot some funs too, cant get citizenship tho if im 3 months on and off
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>>1335244
so what should my biggest worry be?
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>>1335479
Yup. You don't have a lot of excuses for missing goals when you're single and getting a whole 2-4 weeks off.

Also, I've been trying to launch some new hobbies (strength training w/ trainer, get a motorcycle, etc) and as such I feel like I've done nothing but spend money this past month. Oh well.
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https://www.oilandgasjobsearch.com/Oil-and-Gas-Jobs/Crew-Jobs/Deck-Cadet/Details/1390875?utm_source=job%2Balert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=job%2Balert%2Bemail

if any of you fresh out of school ameriniggers is interested
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>>1335479
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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>all indian crew
what am I in for?
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>>1335479
>eventually become a pilot (which is my end goal)
are we the same but just you are just older than me?
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>>1336052
the deck may be full of shit and you may hear punjabi music. Im just makin a guess
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>>1336052
Never sailed myself but have friends that did
Depends from what region / clan they are
Some are above others so they consider themselves superior so they are cleaner, and act more civilized
But in most cases, they stink Co of curry. Expect to eat curry with everything, most of my friends complained about hygiene and overall cleanliness and shit food. Regarding seamanship and work stick hit and miss like with every crew. If they are from drifting clans expect a lot of discrimination among themselves. Could affected you if you are management lvl and need to tamper them down.
Anyway do yourself a favor and spend an hour on forums about this matter. Try to get a quick rundown on their customs and what are so no go areas with them
They do reverse head gestures for yes and no
Up and down = no
Sideways = yes
This I know from my brother who worked with them
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Work stick= work etiquette *
Drifting clans= different clans

Fucking auto correct

>>1336082
After my first voyages this was my plan also. But with time I found out that everybody has same goal so there are hundreds of contenders annually for very few vacancies witch are moat prob already filled coz of nepotism,
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/mg/ newfig here, I guess this is a common line of questioning, but would you say going into shipping was a good career choice? How long have you been working?

I have had a comfy and well paid career in IT straight out of school for quite a few years now, but it's honestly too monotone and boring with the same office and same people every single day year in year out - so I'm kind of thinking about switching paths in life completely while I'm still young(27) and while I haven't done much sailing I do like doing hard physical labor and most of all seeing new parts of the world, if only for short shore leaves.
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>>1336052
Expect no poo to actually be in the loo
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>>1337039
Designated pooping decks
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>>1335669
Depends if you become a legal resident or not, then even though you work abroad you still technically “live” in the states
I could be wrong tho
>>1335825
I built a new gun this past time home and drank a shitload, I know how you feel haha

>>1336011
Yeah well you mom gay

>>1336082
I’m only 23 but I guess?

>>1336102
I figure once I’ve got the appropriate licensing there’s no harm in at least trying for it


Also we sailed from Dutch for the last time today, bound for Panama then Louisiana, bittersweet since this’ll be my first time making a canal transit, but it also sucks to be going back to the gulf
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>>1336170
>would you say going into shipping was a good career choice?
I’ve enjoyed it thus far, definitely a career for a single man. Finding a chick who wants to stick around for months of you being gone is tough, but if you’re cool with that there’s no reason not to get into it
>How long have you been working?
Coming up on three years in July
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>>1323280
cringe
>>1323058
just get a planet fitness membership. super cheap.
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Holy shit, my people! 3rd mate got my license back in '16. What the fuck do you talk about in these threads?
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>>1338950
Shitposting about ships n sheeeeit
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y’all ever just
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>>1335066
>if I had to switch to a 9-5 office job, dealing with traffic both ways five days a week I'd probably go ballistic and open fire into the general public.

I’m 5 months in of working/trying to get a career on land.

I fucking hate it. I never once thought on a hitch “fuck this shit and this job”
Now on the daily, I’m wondering what the fuck I am doing with my life.

After 5 months of busting rods, I quit yesterday and took a job as a boat mechanic, which will be 2 miles from my apartment. Not a career, but at least I’ll be around boats again and maybe a bit happier.

Also, the old lady is fucking annoying having to deal with her every day. It used to be a honeymoon when I’d be home. Now she’s a fucking bitch a lot of the time.
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Im thinking about getting a switch for the off time aboard but im also thinking it'd be better if i just help some people out wherever i can and learn some shit doing so, maybe getting promoted faster

>>1339261
/comfy/

>>1339414
Yeah if youre around someone every day youre bound to find some flaws, its quite normal
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>>1322454
In norwegian offshore supply/AH tradition an AB comes up to bridge watch after dark. But during inshore sailing there is usually two officers present on bridge. But during my cadet time on two bulkers under 6000 dwt there was no tradition for a helmsman, only and always the captain taking the vessel to and fro quay. But with a crew of between 7 and 9 we needed the ABs on deck.

As for operating the azi-(pod, muth, pull), it is surprisingly difficult. The vessels I stay on now displace usually 4000-6000 tons, and with over 6 MW (8000 hp) of availiable propulsive power, getting alongside is a slow process for the vast majority of navigators I've seen, me included.

Meanwhile, what I saw in my short time in bulk trade was 8000 tons displacement with 2 MW propulsion and a tiny bow-thruster, coming alongside with grace and swiftness. The bulk vessels actually used all availiable power, unlike what I see in the PSV where we use a small fraction of what is availiable. I sometimes wonder if navigators of these "traditional" vessels are just plain better at manouvering. I have even seen during the "golden days" of offshore around 2012 a CO going alongside using DP (dynamic positioning) with nearly disasterous results. But there was a general shortage of crew during those days so anything goes I suppose.
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>>1323609
I have tried working on land a little bit. The usual 0800-1600 grind, and life is pain. Sure, the workday is only 8 hours, but effectively it is closer to 10 hours after commuting and cooking.

Compared that to ships:
>6 months of free food, savings on money, and paid rehab
>6 months of real free time, allowing projects and hobbies
>relaxing work
>excellent pay
>superior pension
>neat workplace
>free bonus flying points

Working ashore seems like a shit deal to me at this point. Until I find girl and she gets pregnant.
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>>1339549
Depends. Maybe with cpp and rudders they could be better but with azi not o mutch. All capt that came from commercial to offshore and had to work with azi used them like fixed cpp. They didn't comprehend what they were designed for.
Not having somebody experienced with azi as a c/o ( when I moved from mechant to offshore) I had no other solution but to resort to the internet and got some azi maneuvering manuals.
The bottom line. They had no fucking idee what they were doing.
And when a capt let me maneuver the vsl and did by the book he didn't even understood why the fuck I was doing what I was doing
Too many capts(older ones especially) relay on they exp only and refuse or are too lazy to bother learning anything new.
Hope I won't end up like this bit you never know.
The slow manevre depends on capt
Ive seen a capt coming alongside with 7 knts and doing a 90 deg turn 10m from the jetty. Impressive skill but if you miss judge something there is no time to fix your mistake.
I've done it a couple of times also, just to test my skill but realized after that I'm a fucking retard and if anything went wrong the best that could of happened would be me losing my licensee and ruin my career
If not killing me, somebody on the jetty or ship, ending up in jail. And for what? 5-10min earlier alongside? Is not worth it.
My maneuvers won't take 1hr but not 5mins either

Dp maneuvering alongside. In my current company they had 2 collisions because of this. The same fucking vsl. Ppl not understanding how dp works and what was designed for+ barely knowing how to use dp
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https://www.rigzone.com/oil/jobs/postings/1017497_offshore_work_in_the_gulf?s=8

another one for my us niggers
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>>1339666
God damn it satan
speaking of the OG, do any of you have superstitional beliefs?
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>>1339670
everybody has to some degree
related to ships. in my country's culture whistling on the bridge or siting with the back to the ships fwd is considered bad luck + albatross dies on your vsl or you mange to kill a dolphin somehow (never understood this one but apparently is possible)

i personally don't have superstitions related to ships. but if an albatross dies on my ship i'll consider asking for a reliever. seeing that in many cultures this is seen as bad luck. i don;t believe in supernatural, ghosts etc. but i don't fuck with shit i don't understand either. i don't work for mythbusters so i'll let somebody else find out if this shit has any consequences or not
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>>1339746
>whistling on the bridge
Heard this one too, makes the wind jealous
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>>1339746
I dont really get the albatross part but killing a dolphin is understandable as its been recorded many times how dolphins have helped humans
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>>1339942
I mean how is it possible to kill one involuntary?
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>>1339955
Nice digits bro
I really wouldnt know, if a ship were to collide with one (which i dont see happening) the dolphin would propably just be pushed aside. Maybe in a very rare case one could be sucked in the propellor? Then again dolphins arent stupid
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>>1331720
All the automation we have currently is the biggest source of troubles. It's genuinely just one class of things to maintain and repair when it inevitably goes tits up. Anyone who goes fully automated is really going to have to step up their maintenance to a ludicrous degree
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>>1332087
Quite a few of the electricians I've sailed with (and the occasional chief engineer) are capable of repairing that stuff. Certainly simple troubleshooting anyway.
They still usually get shoreside to do it anyway, just because of the time, and because getting it wrong can be so catastrophic. Our stuff is built primarily to be reliable anyway, I guess higher performing equipment probably demands a lot more attention.

>>1336098
It's more like shaking (yaw) head still means no, rocking (roll) means yes, nodding means nothing.
>>1336098
They beckon in reverse as well, if you're in the engine room. Like, they'll wave at you to come over with their fingers down so it looks like they're trying to shoo you away. On my first trip it took me like a month to twig.
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>>1340026
been thinking about this for some time. many magazines that pop up onboard talk about this.
remote controlled ships by captains sitting miles away in a simulator room just like drone pilots etc.
the problem with this is what happens when ppl with exp, that understand how a ship moves trough water and is affected by wind current passing ships in narrow channels, retire. you end up a captain after gaining some exp at sea, plus yu need to feel the ship. how it steers what sounds does it make how it reacts to certain commands, i don,t believe throwing some 1337 gamer at a joystick will be the proper solution for dozen of million dollars ships and cargo
but who knows
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anyone have any nonfiction book recommendations on the subject
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>>1340302
Not exactly nonfiction but das boot (book movie and series) is fucking kino
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>>1340302
i don't understand what you want exactly
but https://www.amazon.com/Seamans-Book-Sea-Stories-ebook/dp/B009B1DG9G


just google "old seamen stories that are true" and take your pick
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>>1340302
not stories but history.
it's a pdf scan of the paper publication. i can sent it to you if you want or uploaded somewhere.
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>>1340667
Not that anon but fuck yeah looks interesting
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>>1340669
https://file.io/BJnPRc
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>>1339554
>Until I find girl and she gets pregnant.
Boom. That's the issue with offshore.
Any tips for the newbie going on his first offshore trip in July/August? I'm gonna be processing data (offshore survey stuff).
How should I deal with sea sickness? I was pretty fucking sick when I was watching whales in Iceland once. Don't want that to happen again.
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>>1340710
Thanks lad
>>1340717
>survey
whats it like having autism
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>>1340718
I'm not the one that has it but I constantly brush shoulders with the ones that do. It's awful.
Friend of mine worked with autists/schizos and one of the schizos told my mate that he'd rather be schizo than an autist because at least he can take something to curb the tendencies.
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>>1340722
Seasickness is entirely a mental thing, I’ve heard it’ll subside if you just preoccupy yourself doing something


Anyone on here ever work for NOAA?
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bump from last page
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>>1342592
Nice save lad
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Travelling onboard tomorrow. The vessel is being manned up for leaving drydock after 4 years in storage. Probably a lot to learn from the engineers and electrician.
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>>1340844
actually it comes from a fatiguing of the nervous system. An exposure time overload.

Eyes have to constantly adjust muscles and Iris/pupil/focus.
Ears have to constantly adjest stepedius, tensor timpani, and labrynth fluid (responsible for balance)
Legs and torso constantly microshifting weight.

Some pepole just aint conitioned for enduring those phyisical stimuli long term.
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>>1339261
Yep.
*sips*
40 hours straight.
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>>1342889
Is that a frigate
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>>1342766
Swinging around on the hook?
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How do I get a maritime job? Looks comfy tbqh.
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>>1342668
You on an MSC ship?
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>>1343054
It is not a frigate.
It is a large patrol vessel "Akitsushima" of the Japan Coast Guard.
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Off Mexico and it’s in the 80’s during the day, kinda forgot what this was like after being in Alaska for so long
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I've been confined to my shit cabin due to being deemed a domestic terrorist in Zimbabwe.
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>>1344001
>post more feet
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>>1344251
Story time

>>1344260
No you faggot
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>>1344251
You make it sound like its a problem
Why though? Cant be from online shit, no way zimbabwe has that kind of intel from a foreign citizen.
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If you could go back to college, would you pick to specialise in navigation (steersman) or engine department (engineer)? And why?

>>1331729
>Waar zit je? Hopelijk niet rotterdam
I'm the anon you asked this question. Can you please elaborate what's wrong with the college in Rotterdam? Even though I will be studying in Vlissingen, I'm still curious.

>>1340035
>but who knows
I hope I can still get a decent career out of this for the next 20 years after college.

>>1342766
>>1342889
>>1343103
>>1344001
Looks comfy. Thanks for the pictures, guys. I'm really looking forward to my trial at sea at end of June.
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>>1339554
>relaxing work
What do you do on ships?
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>>1344408
Because the city is shit and ive heard from multiple people the college there is shit.
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>>1344414
Thanks for the quick reply. I do not like Rotterdam either, because I don't like big cities. Lots of people everywhere. The college is indeed the lowest graded maritime college in the Netherlands. Kanker randstad.
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>>1343103
Standing on the stones
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>>1344292
>>1344329
One drunken night in africa, got into a bar fight with a few nignogs and put one in a coma.

Being disembarked in the next port.

My past has finally caught up with me.
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Seems like the business strategy of "Treat employees like shit, piss off every dock, pilot, oil and tug company by not paying bills, skirt safety and let barges blow up" has finally caught with old Morty Bouchard. Quite the cold stack, there.
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>>1346164
In Zimbabwe? How? They don't even have a coast.
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You wake up from a comfy bridge nap to this,
WDYD?
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>>1346855
Post a picture of the attack craft on /pol/
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>>1346865
Haahahahahahahahahah
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>>1346164
>Going to a bar with niggers
>Interacting with niggers
>In Africa
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>>1346855
Call Mr. Fredriksen and ask for one of his cute bimbo daughters as compensation for my psychological trauma.
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>>1347102
>ywn be torpedoed in the Gulf and receive a qt Norwegian gf as compensation

why the fuck am I even going to motorman school
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>>1346272
I’ve heard nothing but bad things about Bouchard, wonder if they’ll ever unfuck themselves
>>1346855
Get hung from the mast for sleeping on watch
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>>1347530
I've heard a rumour through the grapevine that Crowley is interested in taking over management if Bouchard. Best thing that could happen to the company.
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>>1346855
>>1347530
>Sleeping on watch

Who the shit is Kingsley Zissou?
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>>1340302
This is a pretty engrossing narrative of the (relatively) recent El Faro disaster.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/inside-el-faro-the-worst-us-maritime-disaster-in-decades
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Ugly auto carrier
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Some pix from balboa anchorage
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>>1348241
God bless AT&T for $10 per day high speed data and internet
I’m about to download so much porn
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>>1348242
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can I get away with lying about medical history
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>>1348271
>Can you
Yes
>Should you
No, unless youre sure it wont affect work
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>>1348045
Crucify me, but I don't think car carriers are all that ugly. Clearly function over form, they're not beautiful in any sense, but the unapologetic utility of them has it's own appeal. I dunno, I sometimes think they look like a sci-fi cargo ship.
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>>1348242
So you're gonna tug one out?
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>>1348522
>Carlosposting
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>>1348522
Based carlos poster
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Hello m8s

Just finished a twelve day trip circumnavigating Vancouver Island, to follow a sailboat race.

Had some good times, saw a lot of cool shit. Dumping some pics
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>>1348809
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>>1348809
This is Resolutions Cove, where Captain Cook spent a month in 1778.
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>>1348809
Ucluelet
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>>1348809
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>>1348809
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>>1348809
This was while underway. Things got pretty hairy sometimes.
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>>1348821
Sweet mother of god
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>>1348821
Fucking fishing boats. At least they have ais. But seaing that many of them in one place and clear of them all around means you were pasding fishing groynds and could avoid them from distance
All of them heading s se . just alter course to port and relax
Just because you are stand on vsl does not makes an excuse to end up in shitty situations
Good seamanship negracio
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>>1348951
Or ar those those fucking sailing boats you posted above?
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>>1348954
Yeah they’re the sailing vessels. One crossed my bow at like 20x.
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Here's your ship, bro.
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Just graduated yesterday as marine engineer. European. Now to finf a ship
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>>1350532
K. Keep me posted
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the security guard for coastal construction work
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>>1348045
No bully Ro/Ro
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Is there something like the fly8MA Flying 101 but for boats (both sail and motor)? A book would be fine too.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnjaM9eVs4pvHFgcSAkepEbWwQpGtbY5c
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>>1352036
Books:
Chapman's Piloting and Seamanship
Bowditch's The American Practical Navigator
Anything to come from the Cornell Maritime Press
Don't have much for youtube. I've come across a small channel, Casual Navigation, that does a pretty good job explaining theory.
https://youtu.be/y7-tUlxr_no
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>>1352166
Thank you anon.
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>>1351211
Thanks
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>>1352166
casual navigation is a great channel
taught an autist like me how to use a sextant
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Well, tomorrow I´m off to go and fare to Finland for a week. Hopefully I will end up feeling positive about the maritime workfield at the end of the next week. I got to stop fearing about getting homesick. It´s only a week, so I shouldn´t be such of a pussy about it. Apparently it´s quite surprising how adaptable men can be. I hope I will adapt fine and surprise myself, then.
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Where can I go to be a sailor on a ship, at 25 with no sailing experience and 4 years of police work under my belt?
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>>1334518
Living the dream, king.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em
Eat shit seawatch
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>>1322728
Why not just have a centerboard
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>>1348815
Awesome. I've been their a couple times on vacation. Some of the best ocean shore in Canada.
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do you live in a shithole /mg/ or did the gods bless your country?
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>>1354228
>persian gulf
well fuck
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Bumperidoo
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kit list for a deckhand position in the pnw?
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>>1356102
>Comfy safety boots
>Gloves
>Foul weather gear
>Deck knife
>5TB of porn per week aboard
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Hope you had a BLAST this 4th of July, a/n/ons
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>>1356109
thanks. what kind of gloves?
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>>1352945
Where in Finland and what type of vessel and position are you in? Some ships are full of shit in every way. Just don't hide in your cabin and watch tv series all day like some autist.
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>>1356341
We went to Hanko and Rauma. The ship was a container vessel. I always had access to the bridge to come and see the work the officers/captain do. I also visited the engine room and had a talk with the chief engineer about how he thinks a ship is a just a big factory. He even was smoking a cigarette while he was busy putting the cleaned plates back on the fresh water generator. Overall I think it was a really nice experience and I will attend maritime school in September. Then I will find out if I want to become an engineer or an officer.
What do you mean some ships are full of shit in every way?
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how well would I be accepted as a police lieutenant with 5 years on the force and some basic first responder/anti terrorism courses?
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>>1357752
So long as you can chip rust and wipe down a toilet, you're good
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>>1357767
sounds fine by me.

I just want "sailor" ticked off my bucket list. like do it for 2 years or so. hows pay?
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>>1357769
Depends on the ship/company and your nationality. But the pay is very well for the type of job that you do in comparison with that on land. Also you spend way less on board so that factors in too.
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>>1357770
true. i have a wife and 1 br apartment to provide for though.
hows amenities? can i work out?
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>>1357772
Again depends on the ship.
But you could have your own cabin with your own shower and toilet. Ships can have sporting facilities and that sort of stuff (you can always run around the ship) and a common room for relaxation (think of a TV or maybe a football table). If your ship goes to tropical areas you'll likely have a pool. A mate of mine worked on the yamal project, he had a sauna and a cinema on the ship.
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>>1356109
thanks. what kind of porn?
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>>1357923
Only the gayest
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>>1358500
And loudest
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/mtg/ newfag here. What, if anything, is the best way to see when cargo ships are scheduled to arrive at a particular harbor in the near future?
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>>1359073
marinetraffic.com
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I'm starting to hate panama
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Ok I finally found the Merchant Mariners hangout.
Just got back from a two week hitch.
Two weeks home, then 6 weeks on headed up north to the Chuchki sea.
Chief engineer, ocean tug moving supplies to Nw Alaska during the good weather.

It’s been a good career. Like many of you, I found it almost impossible to adjust to 9-5 life after working at sea. (Occasionally I’m called into the company shipyard and work normie style)
I have a faithful wife and three young kids (they look just like me, no doubts) but it getting harder to leave them as they get beyond toddler age.
Then again, money is great isn’t it?

Pic: dawn’s early light, July 4th 2019 near Valdez
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>>1323609
I'm from Newfoundland. Ships and boats are all I've ever known since i was a boy
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>>1359149
I liked it
>>1359191
Sounds like you work for Western Towboat

>>1359248
Mexico?
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>>1359267
Greece
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do you need a deckhand cert to work on a small fishing boat in the US?
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>>1359342
Generally, no. But it is useful to get your MMC and Basic safety training endorsement prior to looking for maritime work if you have no experience.
Makes you stand out from the rest of the “wouldn’t it be cool if I...” greenhorns.
I have known people who got hired on towboats with zero experience because they had the documents in hand when the company needed people ASAP.
Small fishing boats are like the least regulated, as far as manning requirements go, but I still encourage anyone looking to get into maritime to get the basic documents first.
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>>1316598
just got myself a 20ft sportbote. should i bother with throwing a compressor on the penta v8 or go straight for a juicier power plant?
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>>1360546
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https://youtu.be/EF9RjqyfYOY

Maritime industry is the absolute best for accidental destruction videos
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>>1360570
Those ship collision vids fucking hurt m8,
You can see everything going to shit 5 minutes before it even happens
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>>1359360
I just got hired for a 3 month trip at sea and I've never been on a ship before just had an MMC with the endorsements the company was looking for
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>>1361245
Yep. thats how it be sometimes. Theres an infinite number of shitheads that think its olden tymes where you can just "go down to the docks and sign on for a trip", as though a ship needs a crew of 100 know nothing lubber kids, but the number of greenhorns who actually go and get their MMC and some basic endorsements first is small, and they are the ones who get hired, because the job openings are pretty rare for entry level.
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How is working in shipbuilding as welder or fitter?
I don't really know yet what to do with my life and am considering doing an apperetinceship in something technical here in germany.
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>>1361789
Hot, dirty, physically demanding, bad for your long term health.
No idea about Europe but in my experience shipyard workers are paid decently but firmly in the middle of the skilled trades. Electricians and plumbers make way more.
In my talks with the shipyard employees, the machinists were the highest paid and literally told me "i decided to be a machinist because i knew i would be mostly inside a shop all day not outside in the cold or heat or rain, not climbing around tanks or inside double hulls, just standing at my lathe."
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how can i stop being a retarded pussy on sailboats
my family has a 24 ft fixed keel boat used for inshore sailing, it is literally impossible for that to tip over save some freak occurrence correct?
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>>1361846
they are built to tip over, it's natural
do you mean capsize?
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>>1361846
Just tip it back over lmao
Just learn to swim lmao
Just be a pussy and wear a life jacket lmao
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>>1361266
What are some essentials to bring on the ship? I'm a shithead greenhorn that doesn't know any better
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Any PSV faggots here?

How do you arrange/use the thrusters when going alongside? What I see from my colleagues is that they mostly "kick" a little thrust here and there until the vessel is in position.

I'm thinking that the DP system and the engineers who designet it are smarter than we think, and that this minimum-thrust bias setup for the main pods in the rear is actually pretty smart.

So I want to set the thrusters to thrust against each other, and just slightly change the thrust direction and force to control fore/aft and sideways movement. Any ideas on this?
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>>1363126
anything that works is good.
but you are right depending on what type of azi you work

i.ve worked with cpp azi and rpm azis

on variable rpm azis they go just one way. 0 to +100. they have no reverse mode, this means you need to 180 the thruster to go from ahead to astern.
on cpp you can go as you please

this is what i did on rpm
get in position
set them against eachother 5-6%
(on my vsl it was a big delay from 0rpm to x, so we had them both ruining at some small rpm to counter this delay)
give stb azi more power 10-15% and bow thruster whatever needed to go smoothly alongside.if you gain too much speed just reduce stbd azi to 5-6rpm % or whatever scale your ship uses and counter with the other that is already running and bow thr accordingly
for going fwd or aft you can use whichever you like by playing with the azi angle

on cpp azi. what ve learned from older captains
one use it longitudinally to go fwd or aft as needed and one transversal to go stbd or port (since you can play with the pitch from -100 to +100%
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>>1362500
Are you the fishing greenhorn?
>Clothing fit for temperature
>Foul weather gear (grundens makes the classic orange rainsuit you see fishermen wear)
>Rubber boots
>Rigging knife/line knife
>Methamphetamine
>Flashlight
>Gloves

Also, just get in touch with the company. Ask what they'll provide, what they recommend you to get
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>>1363255
Yeah okay thanks mate thats exactly what I was thinking. I'm on a vessel with only rpm control (schuttel or something brand), and there is a big delay from zero rpm to any meaningful thrust. I'll give it a try keeping both azis on 50 rpm or something next time alongside.

Also on this vessel we got a new chief mate, and he had only used pitch controlled azis and used the longitudinal&transverse stratergy in the past, and oh boy how he hated not having pitch on his propellers
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>>1363365
Corelate the 100% rpm to 5-10% in berthing. If 100% = 100 rpm, 50rpm(50%) is a little to much.
From my exp max variable rpm is much smaller than cpp where you have 600-1200 constant rpm. Might be wrong, is a while since I've worked on variable rpm but max , as 100% power was 100 something rpm.
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Can anyone explain to me what exactly the "merchant marine" is? I always thought it was some kind of special reserve force for crewing transports during wartime, but then I google around and people are talking about being IN the merchant Marine right now. I'm fairly certain there isn't enough combat operations going on in the world to warrant activating reservists.

The wikipedia article just confused me even more. It talks about most of the merchant marine fleet being in private hands and flagged under other countries? How the fuck does that work? It also mentions that merchant marine officers can be activated as reserve Navy officers? What? Are they double reservists or something?
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>>1363671
The merchant marine are commercial ships
Tankers, bulk carriers, roros, LNG tankers, VLGCs etc
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>>1363671
Tldr
Navy - military shit
Merchant - moving cargo for rubbing hands ppl and what >>1363702 said
Offshore - platform supply, pipe,cable laying, diving operations, wind farms construction / instalation, reseqrch and many other sea operations that don't fit into merchant

Is many eastern european and asian countries, when you finish the academy ( most of which wore military navy academies before or still are but have a civil branch now) you get a whatever just below lieutenant position is called as a reservist.
In case of shtf you can get drafted in the navy or even for calamities if the military doesn't have enough ppl available
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>>1363704
From what i understood the merchants are supposed to keep sailing when shtf (to keep supplies coming and shit) and are one of the few who dont get drafted in the regular army
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It sums up to the country you are from.
If your country has no merchant ships you ll get drafted, thrown into a fucking inflatable duck ,given an ak, and sent to kill the evil invaders
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>>1363702
Okay but how is that any different from regular commercial ships? What makes one commercial ship a merchant marine ship and another NOT a merchant marine ship if they're both privately owned?
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>>1363839
It's just an umbrella term to describe civilian mariners, non naval shipping, etc. That's it. There's nothing more to it. Like saying "I'm in education" "I'm in healthcare" "I'm in banking". It's a bit confusing because people hear "Marine" and think of jarheads and gunnies. The only military relations are
>You can elect to be called up in times of national emergency when you first get your license
>(USA) If you graduate from the federal merchant marine academy, you're required to do a few years active service in the Navy
>(USA) Military Sealift Command is a civilian, federally paid contractor that operates federally owned resupply ships for navy forces
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Give me some good reasons for and against becoming an engineering officer.
I'm still quite unsure what to do with my life and thinking about becoming a sailor.
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What sort of roles are open to mechanical engineers in the maritime industry? I'm not necessarily interested in actually going out to sea for six months at a time as I'm already married and my wife would hate it (and I would hate being away from her), but I'm about to graduate with my ME degree and I'm curious about what's out there, both at sea and ashore.
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>>1363869
So theoretically if it's just a blanket term for the entire industry, then why does the "merchant marine" have its own logo, rank structure, uniforms, etc? Is it some kind of legal requirement? If I bought a cargo ship and wanted to operate it as a business, would I be required to make the crew I hire all members of the merchant marine? Do they have to wear uniforms and shit?
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>>1364023
The crew need to be members (as in be certified) of the merchant marine before you hire them.
Uniforms are not required but many companies still use them just so they look more professional.
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>>1363988
If you actually want to use your degree, my advice would be to get into a management role for a shipyard, or a port engineer for a fleet, where you'd be responsible for managing engineers and ensuring maintenance of vessels.
Actually working on the water, you'd be best suited to tugboats, they usually don't work more than 2-3 weeks at a time. Might be frustrating, though, engineers on tugboats are generally just glorified filter changers, any critical work is contracted out, in my experience
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>>1364023
You're seriously way overthinking this. Anyone with a license to work on the water is considered to be in the merchant marine. As the other poster said, uniforms are dependant on the company. I don't wear one.



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