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Your paycheque.
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Anyone got any unorthodox or personal methods?
I just drilled out my seat and cut the nose off to shape it like an ISM saddle, thinking about chopping off the seat rails and clamp and bonding it straight to the post like a Berk saddle
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>>1309404
Completely possible to DIY a very light bike from mid tier components
Look up @Sebkmtb on ig for some pure unfiltered DIY autism, guy has the lightest hardtail and full sus in the world and literally spends hours dremelling bolts. Easy to find significant savings for cheap or free
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>>1309404
Your lay count
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>>1309407
I`m very tempted to dremel my components.
Due to my rather low weight I can tolerate them losing up to 57% of strength before scratching the safety margin.
The question is:
Where should I start?
Things I already considered are:
>chainrings
>seatpost
>casette
>wheels
>brifters
>cranks
>steerer tube
>spacers
>cap
>frame
But I don`t know how far I can go.
Bike is currently 10,5 kg at size 51 cm.
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>>1309417
Those all sound like great places to start if your bike isn’t carbon. Take a look at classic “drillium” components and think about basic strength and architecture when you’re deciding on the arrangement. You can go pretty hardcore with steel chainrings before they fold.
- use mountain bike inner cables
- Consider shaving down the nut on your skewers, gives mild aero gains too
- drill your handlebar drops
- cut off the drops right after your lowest hand position
- cut away excess seatpost (be safe)
- buy some Velo plugs instead of rim tape
- strip the grip tape from your bars, use gel padded gloves instead, add silicone dots to the raw bar for grip
- check the minimum spoke count you can get away with
- latex tubes instead of butyl
- heat shrink tubing instead of hood covers
- alu, carbon and nylon bolts where strength permits
- lightweight steering tube expander (google “weight weenie expander”
- mountain bike brake inner cable as brake cable (or just bare cable if it’s not gonna corrode quickly and you’re careful)
- electrical tape instead of bottle cage bolts
- mountain bike style “ass savers” mud guards (diy from a coke bottle if you want) instead of fenders
- consider vintage downtube shifters instead of brifters
- worn out tires instead of new lol
- same for disc brakes
- alu chainring bolts ($1 for 5 on aliexpress)
- minimal pins you need on flat pedals
- Dremel out bar plugs
Just remember that drillium suits climbers best, since it actually adds quite a bit of drag on components like bars and stems. Personally I don’t give a fuck about that drag - I’m already in an aero position, I love climbing and I like lifting a bike with one finger
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>>1309417
Cap is unnecessary, literally just keeps rain out. Use tape.
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>Fucking dumbass general
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>>1309434
amerilard bloated bike detected
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>>1309434
>Roadie mad that anons can achieve lighter, better riding metal bikes than his $11,000 carbon meme
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It’s probably easier and less time consuming to lose five pounds on your person than do all that work lightening the bike.
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>>1309402
>150lb human in street wear with 20lb backpack and 25lb alumememium commuter
>mfw still outrun naked dentist on plastic fredsleds
stay weak weight weenies
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>>1309442
If you’re after a utilitarian loss then yeah, go down to 5% bodyfat and take a dump
Weight weenieism is an engineering problem, a hobby and customisation to make your bike unique. There’s also a joy in light stuff that works, as gay as that might sound. Kind of the appeal that minimalist, multipurpose and specialist tools and gear has. And things like Drillium can be absolutely beautiful and very finely done, and a reminder of a period in cycling history. It’s so popular that manufacturers even make “drillium” components mainly for the aesthetics
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>>1309445
>tfw spend countless hours shaving grams and fine tuning my own testament of human ingenuity
>my magnum opus is as light as a feather, as sleek as a shark
>have to slap on massive 5kg U locks, cables and chains to not be stolen by basketball americans
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>>1309445
>he's still in the "everyone is racing me!" phase
adorable
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>>1309474
>he's given up being fast
sad
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>>1309493
>he doesn’t make his bike lighter and faster
Pathetic
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>>1309494
upgrade the ENGINE not the BIKE, leglet
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>>1309430
>- use mountain bike inner cables
What`s the difference?
>- Consider shaving down the nut on your skewers, gives mild aero gains too
I might do that on the front, rear is for trainer.
>- drill your handlebar drops
>- cut off the drops right after your lowest hand position
>- cut away excess seatpost (be safe)
Will do that.
>- buy some Velo plugs instead of rim tape
Does that realy save any weight?
>- strip the grip tape from your bars, use gel padded gloves instead, add silicone dots to the raw bar for grip
Good idea!
>- check the minimum spoke count you can get away with
I don`t think I should reduce spoke-count when drilling the rim.
>- latex tubes instead of butyl
>- heat shrink tubing instead of hood covers
>- alu, carbon and nylon bolts where strength permits
Will do.
>- lightweight steering tube expander (google “weight weenie expander”)
Already running a simple sheet-metal thing there, I don`t think there is much to gain.
>- mountain bike brake inner cable as brake cable (or just bare cable if it’s not gonna corrode quickly and you’re careful)
Good idea.
>- electrical tape instead of bottle cage bolts
Probably not.
>- mountain bike style “ass savers” mud guards (diy from a coke bottle if you want) instead of fenders
Already have that-
>- consider vintage downtube shifters instead of brifters
Nope, the brifters stay.
Fast shifting is worth the weight for me.
>- worn out tires instead of new lol
>- same for disc brakes
Rim-brakes, but yea, they are worn...
>- alu chainring bolts ($1 for 5 on aliexpress)
Will do
>- minimal pins you need on flat pedals
I have clipless, but I may build fiberglass/carbon composite shoes.
>- Dremel out bar plugs
I could leave them out
>Just remember that drillium suits climbers best, since it actually adds quite a bit of drag on components like bars and stems. Personally I don’t give a fuck about that drag
Same here, 56 kg of mostly long and narrow upper body here.
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>>1309493
>He actually thinks he's fast
>He doesn't realize people simply aren't interested
Sorry but when I'm coming back from a century ride I don't feel like sprinting against the puffing poorfag to see who reaches the red light first.
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>>1309512
Velo plugs are 4-5g instead of 20+g, or you could just cut the tape to only cover the spoke holes
>skip bar plugs
Don’t do this, plugs can weigh as little as 1g and the consequences of not insuring yourself... do you enjoy not having chunks missing from your body?
>sheet metal expander
Can you post a pic? Curious, sounds like a good idea

Had some more ideas:
- lightweight grease on chain (makes a surprising difference)
- taper your bolts
- shorten cables as much as you can get away with
- titanium spindles on pedals
- drill out centre of stem clamp
- if you’re running 1x, you can machine a carbon chainring or buy a cheap “ultralight” aliexpress alu chainring for $12
- shorten your chain if it’s too long
- drillium and machine your derailleur
- consider going 1x to ditch the front derailleur
- cut your steerer tube to the minimal size you need
- remove seat padding (try it, if it’s anatomically correct it can still be very comfy)
- drill seat, or at least cut a channel in the middle
- “lixada” aliexpress carbon seatclamp can be machined down to 4g, $2
- ditch the top tube cap
- “lixada” titanium skewers, $8
- use a large oral /sawyer squeeze syringe or plastic baster with an air hole at the highest point of the plunger and a tube and nozzle glued onto the end instead of a pump, significantly lighter
- smart water bottles are lighter than cycling bottles
- aluminium freehub/cassette caps , cheap on aliexpress
- “ring EDC multitool” has every size Allen and a Philips and flathead for about 20g, $1 on ali
- ditch the saddle bag, just tape your spare tube and syringe pump to the frame
- next time you get a new chain, look for the lightest one in your price range (actually makes a decent saving)
- 2 in one clothing is best. Goretex Shakedry is the best material for cycling : fragile, but works as a warm windshirt and a very breathable rain jacket. It’s a bit of a miracle. Budget alternative is Columbia Outdry Featherweight
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Blessed thread of quality
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>>1309501
How about I do BOTH
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>>1309551
Found the multitool easily on aliexpress, just search “edc multitool”
$1 from Ali, $10 from Walmart lol
Just bring whatever extra bits like in pic related you need
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My 2c: carbon chainrings are very tough in a 1x situation: tougher than aluminium by far. The teeth only brake when shifting under load, which will never happen on a 1x. Easy savings if you have a mate with a CNC machine and some sandpaper, just get a little 4mm carbon from aliexpress. You can also make other carbon junk: a spider adaptor, elbow rests for aero bars, a “triplizer” spider, disc brake spiders (or whatever they’re called), cassette tools, spanners, phone mounts, “Brompton” pedal plates, even a whole cassette if you have patience and you don’t shift under weight. Serious weight weenie shit there
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>>1309557
>he thinks obsessing over 50 grams will help him keep from getting dropped
i have terrible news anon
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>>1309570
>he thinks I race roadtards and insecure autists
I drill because I want to create ART ON WHEELS. My bike weighs less than my balls.
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>>1309402
At first I thought that was something like a headset bearing, then I zoomed in and saw it was a rim -- past tense, *WAS* a rim, now it's scrapmetal. If you could even mount a hub to that without it collapsing it'd never stay in true for long, and one good hard bump and it'd collapse.
..which is why you posted it, of course.
>fucking humans and their outstanding retardation
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>>1309501
Are you me? You sound like me.

To be fair when upgrading the 'engine', there is a point beyond which the bike may be holding you back. At that point you upgrade the bike.
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>>1309571
>My bike weighs less than my balls.
We were under the impression you had none, thanks for clearing that up for us.
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>>1309405
Lose bodyfat
Make a fixie out of chink carbon because you have no brakes, chains, or derailleurs at all
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>>1309623
t.knows nothing
People have been drilling their rims for almost a century. Dirt bikes, pit bikes do it, fat bicycles and track bikes. Sorry you’re too much of a boomer to void the warranty of your heavy shit.
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>the inevitable loose weight advice

I'm not a weenie, but from the outside looking in I think it's more about the ratio of weight between your bike and you. Losing weight will only make the bike feel heavier. Also I can't believe how little muscle you need when you weigh nothing and this makes everything else feel like they're made of lead.
>lost ~80lbs from around 240 to 158 now

>>1309623
There is actual merit to what has been done since the bulk of a material near the center of a shape contributes almost nothing to it's stiffness. Which is why your bike frame is made of ~1mm thick material and completely hollow in the center and yet is strong enough to deal with manhandling from a lardass. Pic is a bad example though since those roughly made holes will just create places for cracks to form.
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>>1309404
pay
>cheque
what?
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>>1309779
This is retarded. I like it.

>>1309781
This is retarded. I hate it.
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>>1309795
>he doesn't even know proper English
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>>1309847
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>>1309851
nice. thanks for sharing.
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they are easy to find online so its a little redundant to post them here
but there are six or so more that I found interesting
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>>1309873
>drillium crankset
>with chainguard
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Drillium can be so beautiful or it can look like tripophobia ass. I prefer the “pill” shapes you get by merging two holes rather than the holes, and mixing hole diameter in one go usually looks aids.

Otherwise it’s based and redpilled. Why ride a streamlined, stripped down precision frame with parts designed for a 300lb americlap hanging on? It’s like using mahogany seats in an aircraft
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What’s the best place to focus on losing weight on the bike?

Should I reduce wheel weight first, or will that lose some of the inertia? Should I store my tools in my seatpost, or strapped to the frame down low to lower CoG?
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>>1309872
>>1309847
>>1309871
>>1309849
>>1309869
>>1309851
>>1309868
>>1309851
>>1309868
>>1309867
interedasting. Time to dig out my power drill
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>>1309881
>What’s the best place to focus on losing weight on the bike?
Replacing bolts may sound like a total weight weenie thing to do, but they have one of the best g/€ ratios.
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>>1309877
>adds more space for more holes
>holes reduce weight
>more holes = less weight
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>>1309881
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings.php
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>>1309881
Tires, then wheels, then crankset, then everything else.
Making spinning parts light has the most benefit.
That "inertia" is energy you have to put into the bike every time you accelerate and turns into heat and brake dust every time you slow down.
It doesn't help you in any way.
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>>1309732
>has such a total lack of grasp of any mechanical engineering concepts that he can't even post bait on the subject that sounds even remotely credible as shitposting bait
"""zero out of ten"""
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK: >>>/b/ LURK MOAR xD xD xD
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>>1309877
neat huh
>>1309886
good luck fren
>>1309890
now your think in portals
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>>1309402
ITT:
>Fatass weak slow leglets who LARP as shitposting bait posters, but who secretly are so utterly devoid of anything even remotely resembling personal discipline that they can't stop stuffing their fat faces with food every waking moment yet still think they can win TdF by structurally compromising their bikes to the point where it'll crumple like the aluminum foil covering the shit-tier family-sized frozen lasangna they chow down on every day, and in the meantime the whole bike is as flaccid as their erectile-dysfunctional micropenis with every pedal stroke because they drilled every last bit of stiffness out of it
I can't stay in this thread anymore, if I keep laughing at you mooks this hard all the time I'm going to start fracturing ribs. Do be sure to enjoy trying to make your 2.0W/kg FTP look like 5.0W/kg, LOL.
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>>1309897
>implying a fatass could ride one of these machines without bending it in half
If anything retail components are the ones made for fatasses.
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>>1309898
>retail components are the ones made for fatasses
FUCKING THIS!
I haven`t seen a wheelset that wasn`t at least designed for 30 kg over my weight.
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>>1309898
>>1309909
>no grasp of mechanical engineering
Enjoy your death when you hit a hard bump and your bike crumples like tinfoil
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>>1309918
My bike is designed for a rider of up to 100 kg while my weight is 56 kg.
Even if I reduced the strength to 47% of the original strength, I wouldn`t even scratch the safety-margin.
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>>1309921
L O N D O N
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be careful anons
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as someone who rides, what would be considered, a 'cheap' 40lb commuter bike, this thread makes me chuckle
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>>1309929
Giant Escape 3 with added rack, panniers, bell, lights, fenders and wider tires with puncture protection
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>>1309921
Seconding this:
>>1309922
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>>1309923
wowo what a cutie
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>>1309897
Post too heavy, didn’t read
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>>1309921
>he doesn't know about dynamic forces
RIP in peace Anon
We'll put up a Ghost Bike for you when you died.
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>>1309959
>didn’t read
yes you did and you're seething now
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>>1309962
Hopefully whoever does the ratings does, and a 6000€ bike won't implode under a 90kg person for pedaling on a high gear or braking.
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>>1309966
I think you missed the point.
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>>1309964
My good sir, it would appear... that you are gay.
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>>1309897
>Stiffness means anything
Lol
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>>1309989
it does, I rode wet noodle 1024 frames back when I was a poorfag and the stays would flex enough to ghost shift on 6 speed freewheels. stiffness matters.
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>>1309987
>has nothing better to say
>calls me 'gay'
Confirmed for massively butthurt and seething
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>>1309992
I’m new to bikes, can you explain for a newbie like me? Does it affect the power you put into the bike on a long ride, wasting energy? Does it feel comfier to have a less stiff bike, less road feedback? Does it matter if you’re not racing?
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>>1309966
>6000€ bike
>literally built to be as light as possible while still being safe and performing well
>dumb faggots still take a drill to it
ISHYGDDT
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>>1309997
*said in nasally gay voice*
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>>1309989
Gee well I guess it doesn't when you're so fat and weak that you take 1 hour to do a 10 mile ride, and a 5% grade kills you off, LOL
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>>1310001
>seething harder all the time
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>>1309999
If your frame is flexing under normal load it is not stiff enough. Everyone has their own definition of “too stiff”. I ride a CAAD12 and I like it a lot. I can’t give you a definitive answer because I don’t think a lot about these things, but other people will he happy to tell you about how some frames spring back and forth and how that’s good and others will say you need to be riding a 2x4 to safely descend down mountains. Just find something that works for you.
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>>1310000
Some people place performance above often redundant safety, unlike manufacturers who are always going to err on the side of (legal) caution. Most of these weight weenie builds are way below the UCI limit. Some people just really enjoy the feeling of riding weightless bikes and climbing hills really fast.
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>>1310005
let me clarify before some really smart anon gets right up my butthole about how all frames flex to some degree:
If your frame is flexing enough to ghost shift under normal load it is not stiff enough.
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>>1309992
Don't drill your chainstays anon, what are you even doing?
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>>1310008
I didn’t drill my chainstays. They were just made from very flexible steel. I’m also tall so it was a 63cm frame which did not help the stiffness.
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>>1310000
Any bike off the line isn't built to perform as well as possible. It is built to perform as well as possible for riders weighing up to 200lbs., at a price point. If you weigh less than that and don't mind putting a hundred hours of work in (which would make the bike cost twice as much if it was done by a manufacturer), then drilling makes sense.
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>>1310010
>redesigning the entire frameset for a lighter rider makes sense
ftfy
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>>1310006
"""Some people""" should get the fork out of their mouths so they're not 30% bodyfat and get their weak leglet asses to the gym in the off-season and build actual leg strength instead of retardedly modifying expensive equipment to the point where it'll fail under load.
I know literally *hundreds* of guys who race and I don't know *anyone* who does retarded shit like this to their bikes. It's got to be either just a troll/meme or /n/ really does have some actual retards posting in it.
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>>1310014
>spend 80 hours carefully drilling holes into rim to reduce weight by 28 grams
>rider in front of you chops the first corner and crashes you and half the field out, destroying your front wheel and a square meter of your skin
worth it
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>>1310010
>he actually wants us to believe that idiots with a drill know better than engineers and bike designers who design, build, and sell 6000€ bikes
Are you really this dumb or are you LARPing being this dumb?
Nope, you have to be LARPing being such a dummy.

If you want a lightweight bike then buy a lightweight bike. Otherwise stop being fatasses and stop being weak leglets.
If you're naturally big no matter how low your bodyfat percentage is then you're just fucked by physics, shaving a few ounces off your bike at the cost of ruining it isn't going to make you climb significantly faster. Stop with the '''magical thinking''' already.
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>>1310014
The level on ww is a lot higher than here.
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>>1310012
You can get that of course, but not for $6k.
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>>1310020
>he actually wants us to believe that idiots with a drill know better than engineers and bike designers who design, build, and sell 6000€ bikes
No, I actually want you to believe that no manufacturer will build a high end bike that's perfect for you for 6000€. They build bikes that fit many different people. Customizing it to your needs will make it better for you.
Not because you can do better than them, but because you have a different goal in mind.
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>>1310024
>he actually wants us to believe that indiscriminately using a drill on your expensive bike will make it """better""" somehow
You weren't believable before and you're getting even less believable with every successive comment. You should quit while you're behind.
Also stop being fat and weak and maybe you won't get dropped on every last climb.
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Weigh this
>dabs
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>>1310026
I bet you loved Toy Story, a film where the villain is the creative tinkerer who voids the warranty and brand identity of the Sacred Product
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>>1310300
I bet you're some little shit kid sitting in your suburban cul-de-sac shitposting on 4chan and aren't even allowed to use dad's power tools at all let alone ruin the bike he bought you with it.

This is nothing but a bait thread like 99.99% of all threads.
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>>1310321
Jokes on you my dad’s dead, lardbike
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You think you’re weenie? You ain’t seen nothin...
Behold, spokes made of string
>https://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/make-your-own-polymer-uhmwpe-spokes-1091276.html
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>>1310329
I like to imagine the /fit/ /n/ jacked posters riding tiny featherweight bikes on their commute to the gym
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>>1310329
What the fuck
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>>1310328
>lardbike
Post thighs with timestamp, leglet.
Bet you get off your bike and push it up hills.
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>>1310337
t.lardbike
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>>1309417
*Laughs in rust*
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>>1310419
I won’t store my bike in a river then
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there is this old wives tale (and personally I've always believed those old wives tend to be pretty sharp) , that your bicycles contact patch to the road is a fulcrum. Think of your bike as a lever. You will gain maximum benefit from reducing weight toward the end of the lever. Saddle, seat post, potentially handle bar tape should offer maximum reduced cost for maximum benefit. Forget rotational weight, fulcrum weight could be where it's at. And of course, your body is the heaviest and highest part
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>>1310421
>Forget rotational weight
Rotational weight is exponential though while static weight is linear. Reducing rotational weight returns more the faster you're capable of going. Similar to The argument of rolling resistance vs aerodynamic drag.
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>>1310329
Absolute fucking madmen. I love it.
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>>1310329
>dyneema spokes
I’ve seen it all
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I just drilled out my urathra, it saves me approx. 0.7 grams while being able to empty my bladder 0.6 seconds faster.
The weight saving of circumcision is still on my mind tho, convince me to get one.
What are the weight savings?
Are there any aero savings too?
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>>1310505
Circumcised is more aero, it costs $600 in shekels and is approved by the UCI (u-know-whoish circumscision institute).
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>>1310451
Fuck off, brainlet
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>>1309893
>Riding on a flat road
>Coast for a moment
>Immediately come to a stop
>Good thing I had no inertia to speak of!
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>>1310541
fill your tires with lead then. More inertia. All the pros are doing it too.
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>>1310505
Just piss yourself on road, you don’t need to worry about urethral drilling.
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>>1309933
goddamned it, here I am trying to troll and I get something that makes me look it up. what I have precisely is a schwinn central, which is around the same price range as you reolcmmended, but considering buying another bike. either way, get a good workout with the central
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Fred fears the Drillium.
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>>1310768
At least it's already white, so you can just leave it in place when it inevitabely kills its rider.
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>>1310779
it’s because it belongs to the White Scars
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>>1310790
With those drill holes and that fucking brake setup, I can imagine where they got their name.
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>>1310768
>drillium
>massive chain + lock
suuurrrrree
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>>1310768
>>1310779
>>1310806
>drills the ever-loving *fuck* out of the entire frameset -- *including the forks*, for fuck's sake
RIP in peace, frameset -- and rider, when it crumples like a beer can.

Oh and by the way what the fuck is up with all that duct tape near the shifters???
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>>1309962
>dynamic forces
Dynamic forces decrease with rider weight as well.
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>>1310861
That's were the frame broke apart from all the holes.
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>>1310981
Top kek.

FFS the holes aren't even evenly-spaced or along the same line, the idiot just took a hand drill to it, didn't even bother drawing a centerline or anything. Was he drunk or stoned or something? Meth addict maybe?
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>tfw bike is 10,80 kg
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>>1311043
>front wheel is 1,37 kg (including 25mm tire and quick-release)
>rear wheel is 1,93 kg (including casette, 25mm tire and quick-release)
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>>1311043
>tfw bike is 10,80 kg
And how many kilograms do (You) weigh? What's your height?
What is your bodyfat percentage?
No bully, please respond, I'm trying to make a point, here.
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>>1311048
>And how many kilograms do (You) weigh?
56 kg
>What's your height?
160 cm
>What is your bodyfat percentage?
About 9-10%, haven`t measured it quite a while.
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>>1311049
>56kg
>9-10% BF
Losing *less than 1% of your total bodyweight* (0.89% to be precise), your bike/rider combination will weigh about *500 grams less*.
A week or two at a slight deficit would achieve that, and it wouldn't cost you a single penny, nor would it structurally compromise your bike.
Doesn't that make much more sense?

Oh and by the way anyone with a higher bodyfat percentage than you have can literally lose *kilograms* off their bike/rider combination with relatively little effort, too, and not ruin their bikes with a drill.
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>>1311058
My plan is to lose a bit this spring anyway, and at 10,80 kg with 3,30 kg sitting in the wheels I can make my bike quite a bit lighter as well.
Probably going to replace my wheelset instead of drilling the current one.
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>tighten your headset with pic related
>tighten your stem properly
>remove expander and put plasic cap
nothin personnel kids
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>>1311045
Just buy some Aksiums holy shit
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>>1311049
L O N D O N
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>>1310768
>the duct tape
i wonder what happened there
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>>1311049
i'm (male) 168cm and 53kg
even got some skin somewhere
pls tell me you're a dude
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>>1311220
What do you mean by a plastic cap? Got any more tips?
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“Just lose weight” is pointless. Weenies in any hobby get the same question, whether it’s detractors of cuben fibre and lightweight gear on /out/, or guys who say “keep the back seats and spare wheel in your car” on /o/. Weenies gonna weenie, it’s a harmless hobby that often actually pushes innovation in the industry, such as all the structural improvements made during the drillium craze.
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>>1311392
As long as you're conscious of the fact that spending weeks drilling carefully placed holes through your components is a meaningless hobby akin to collecting stamps, all is fine.
What grinds my gears is people insisting that this is somehow a sensible way to improve performance.
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>>1311394
Drillium is not even the most common weenie move, in fact it’s pretty rare. You CAN make significant savings by spending an evening ticking off simple mods like stripping paint, upgrading inner tubes and tyres etc, and it will make a big performance difference, but I agree that it is pointless unless you’re losing races by a tiny margin or you’re putting huge miles on a tour and you’re sick of grinding up hills on a bike that could safely and easily go quite a bit leaner and lighter.

I always encourage people to use lightweight components when they need to swap something out on their bike, and they always thank me since a light bike is pretty damn nice, and just like 1.0 cuben fibre is almost as tough as nylon and far lighter and more waterproof, those lightweight parts can be solid and reliable as any overbuilt heavy option too.

Take a carbon seat. I have never seen anyone break a carbon seat, so for $14 on eBay, why not buy one instead of a steel railed delrin and leather equivalent, unless you like the aesthetic? Same for stems, same for seatposts, same for cranks, same for seat clamps, same for griptape, same for fenders etc. Unless you enjoy the aesthetic, have something that works that you like, you’re a fedora “manly man” or a Luddite or a masochist, why not take advantage of the hard work and ingenuity gone into developing lightweight weenie shit?
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>>1311392
>“Just lose weight” is pointless.
>Never improve
Some of you complain you want to climb faster but you won't do the simplest yet most effective things to accomplish that. Explain to me how that's intelligent?
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>>1311411
I have other priorities than being a dedicated 50kg whippet? I climb and bodybuild, I enjoy having muscle mass, but I want a light, responsive bike too that feels like I’m flying when I ride it, and climbs up hills like a spider up a wall.
You remind me of the roadies that won’t use a cutout or triathlon saddle because “it sacrifices efficiency and control”. Not everyone wants prostate aids just for marginal gains, fucking up your body is much more damaging and extreme than dremelling your brake levers.
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>>1311413
If you want to be heavy and fast you want to move somewhere flat and dump all your money into aero gains. You’ll never be fast uphill.
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>>1311413
Yum, I wonder if he still has a penis
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>>1311413
Listen, Champ,
>>1311413
This.
>"""PHYSICS WORKS"""
If you're BIG then *you are NOT going to climb hills fast on a bike, PERIOD*.
No way around it. Losing a couple ounces off your bike is *meaningless* when you're heavy!
Little manlets who weigh 50-60 kilograms will *always* beat you up a long climb if they're in decent shape no matter how much you squat, deadlift, or bench. PHYSICS.

The *best* you can hope for is to be fast *on the flat*. Big riders tend to be good Time Trialists (assuming they have a good VO2max and good muscular endurance, and can maintain a maximal effort for up to an entire 40 kiliometer time trial, that is).

Ruining your bike with a drill is just shoe-on-head stupid and will do *nothing* for you if you're big and heavy!
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>>1311423
I sure hope so!
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>>1311386
There is no specific parts
Just stick there anything that fits
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>>1309795
It's how third world countries spell "check"
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>>1311423
>he
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>>1311562
First world countries spell it Pay
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>>1311587
>4chan still can't into Unicode
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>>1309881
(You)
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>>1309881
>What’s the best place to focus on losing weight on the bike?
The thing that sits on top of the saddle. What's it called again?
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>>1311875
brb drilling my chamois
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>>1309625
Bike is only holding you back if you go faster without one
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>>1311875
I already shaved my gooch, maybe I can jack off right before I ride
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>>1311875
>What materials and mods does /n/ recommend to lighten my bike?
>le lose body weight!!1
Epic. Imagine a caveman
>what wood and knapping technique grug use for lighter tools?
>just eat less animal and berry!!
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>>1311926
Great, so my great grandfather was an idiot for swapping in his penny farthing for a bicycle?
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>>1311942
>brug want lighter tool
>but brug you bad hunter because slow and fat
>no, brug bad hunter because tool heavy
>brug lose weight or brug no eat
rip brug
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>>1311875
Dave
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>>1311948
Brug already great hunter, just want read cave paintings see how make lighter. No tell brug not to eat, brug need strength to make baby with your mom again
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The loose weight is well used because it is true. If you are some overweight fuck loosing 400 grams on your bike isnt gonna do anything.
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>>1311890
>drilling chamois
>not going assless bibs
ISHYGDDT
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>>1312253
>Not drilling out your spine
Your legs is doing all the work anyways
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>>1311890
>>1311936
>>1311942
>unrepentent fatasses who refuse to stop being fatasses but still complain about being slow on the bike when climbing
>autistically ruins their bikes with a drill instead, to lose mere grams
>meanwhile actually intelligent riders lose pounds of unnecessary bodyfat
>fatasses seethe when svelte, powerful riders pass them on climbs like they're standing still
>"Must be PEDs"
Nobody can be as stupid as this and still put words together into coherent sentences. Therefore y'all are trolling.

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK: >>>/b/
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>>1311947
That's just swapping one crutch with another. Having either one doesn't make *you* any different. Might as well get a car or a plane and go even faster.
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>>1309641
Anymore and I'll probably die or have heart issues
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>>1312240
Yes, but I’m not, so please talk about bicycles since we are on /n/ not >>>/fit/
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>>1312337
>retard emaciated Auschwitz gimps in Lycra on over engineered, expensive heavy bikes seethe enviously at the cool carbon and drillium chad who effortlessly lifts his bike with one finger impressing the lycrafag’s boomer parents and inspiring thousands to ease their daily commute with simple easy modifications while cuties mire his well developed muscles and engineering skills
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>>1312378
Wheels, tires, saddle, using low weight shoes or none at all
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>>1312378
Well then maybe you're just naturally too weak and have too low a VO2max to be a decent cyclist. Take up something else instead that you won't fail at. Or maybe do actual training instead of being a whiny little bitch.
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>>1312477
The DENIAL is strong with this one.
You may as well give up and drive a car everywhere, or use a mobility scooter, because you refuse to improve and insist on indulging in """magical thinking""", like with willpower and a drill you can defy physics. Get real.
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>>1312657
>small mind so panicked by the engineering question of what material on a bike is superfluous that he can only stutter “e-eat less”
Prove me wrong. Come up with an area on the bike (not body) that you can safely modify to lighten
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>>1309923
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>>1312716
>Come up with an area on the bike (not body) that you can safely modify to lighten
"""NONE""".
You have NO IDEA what you're doing.
Want to prove *ME* wrong? Post your Mechanical Engineering degree *WITH TIMESTAMP*. Otherwise STFU and GTFO, you're an idiot.

Stop being fat.
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LOL if it was so fucking easy to make a superlightweight bike just by drilling a bunch of holes in it then why don't bike manufacturers just sell bikes that are full of holes?
>Occam's Razor 100% applies here
'''Drillum''' idiots BTFO forever
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>>1312853
Easy answer: Because drilling holes is more effort than simply reducing the thickness of the machined part in CAD.
Bikes are built for riders weighing up to 100kg.
Bikes for lighter riders aren't built because the economy of scale would make them more expensive.
If you weigh less, all bikes on the market are overbuilt for you, so you can reduce weight by drilling holes.
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>>1312895
Is drilling carbon fiber safe?
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>>1312896
Yes. Almost all drillium nowadays is done on carbon.
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>>1312901
Cool, so when people get riled up about carbon bikes not being safe after a crash it’s because they’re full of shit when the frame is probably fine? I dont own a carbon bike but the more I read about them the more I think they’re pretty durable.
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>>1312905
Pretty much. Carbon hate is 80% poorfag cope and 20% boomer hate for everything invented after their youth.
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>>1312896
NO, it is NOT SAFE. This faggot: >>1312901 is misleading you into destroying your bike.

>>1312895
You're incredibly stupid if you actually unironically believe that shit you just wrote.
You're just convincing everyone more and more that this is just a troll thread. Nobody actually does this shit unless they're idiots or trolls.
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>>1313102
No one is talking about drilling holes into a carbon frame.
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>>1313106
>No one is talking about drilling holes into a carbon frame.
What about this faggot: >>1312901
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>>1313197
road fags unironically spend more time obsessing with weight and builds, than actually riding their bikes

no you cant drill carbon, if you choose and if you choose to do so is incredibly harmfull for your lungs and eyes.
specialized specifically advises against it, and you will void the warranty of every single manufactorer out there. removing the paint from your frame is a better weight save in my mind. this makes your carbon bike an indoor bike though. NEVER take your sanded carbon bike out in rain, it will soak into the fibres an fuck your frame right up m8
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>>1313215
>>1309781 and >>1309880 are drilled carbon.
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>>1313216
i am talking about drilling your frame, i thought that was what was being talked about.

however, this >>1309781 is beyond retarded that thing is going to weather to dust.

>>1309880
this looks sick! i doubt it will hold up for long though. you have cut the fiber and exposed it to the elements.

if yourent fuzzed about bying new components A LOT more oten then i guess it would be no problem.
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>>1311362
Of course I'm a dude, if I wasn't my bodyfat% would be dangerous.
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>>1312852
Pathetic. You can’t even think outside your tiny brand worshipping box. Titanium brake cables and aluminium rim brakes? Impossible. Cheap perfectly good Chinese carbon saddle? Lose weight fatty! Hahaha
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>you can't clearcoat drillium carbon
This is the retard that is telling everyone drillium is inherently unsafe and will explode instantly you get on it.
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>>1312901
Do not listen to this guy. Listen, I’m as weenie as they come, I’ll drill any metal components and non weight bearing carbon, but carbon frames and rims WILL break and delaminate around any holes or cracks, and tiny stress fractures will start to form around the edges of the drill holes. Just buy a lighter, thinner, better designed frame with higher grade carbon - some affordable ones are 650g or less
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>>1313215
Aside from paint adding a very very small resistance to gravel chips, raw carbon is very weatherproof and doesn’t corrode. It’s susceptible to UV rays though, so you have two options:
>Lightweight clear coat (20-30g)
>UV wax (10g) which needs reapplying every few months
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>>1313215
Bs. The worst that would happen in weeks of prolonged rain is a tiny amount of surface fibre swelling, which would only strengthen the weave and dry immediately after. CF is full of resin which seals it, just clear coat the exposed fibres after sanding off heavy paint
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>>1312853
They do faggot, they’ve only slowed down on it because of the aero meme
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>>1313293
>>1313291
to my understanding, CF is not waterproof but the resin used in the casting process is. if you grind a CF sample down you expose fiber thus inducing water to your fibre.

i am in no way an expert on carbon fibre though and have just bought my first CF bike

yes we agree a clear coat would be sufficient. i however said nothing about clear coating your bike, my argument is strictly related to weight saving what i said was that if you sand you bike down and ride it in the rain you are going to fuck it up, and i believe most experts on the subject agree exposed carbon fibre and water is a bad mix.
there is a reason planes with carbon fibre wings have a hard time getting aproved by FAA
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>>1313309
Yes but even in the hardcore weight weenie world, people are happy to use stripped carbon frames for commuting and winter with the addition of a very lightweight clearcoat to seal those exposed fibres. It’s still a stripped frame, since you’ve gone from 150-200g of paint and stickers to 15-20g of clearcoat, which like you say is a necessary evil.
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>>1309779
what the christ is going on here
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>>1313342
It's a downtube shifter on top of a brake lever.
Combines the ease of access of brifters with the weight savings of DT shifters.
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compulsory reading for an aspiring weenie
>https://2lo8.wordpress.com/bike-upgrade-guide-wip/
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>>1313268
>Ask him to post his Mech Eng degree with timestamp
>posts troll shit instead
Like I said: you have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER about what you're talking about.
You need to STFU and exit the thread, now.
Go back to your containment board, you Board Tourist, you: >>>/b/
You're done here.
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THIS IS A TROLL THREAD.
Mods, please DELETE.
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>>1313532
>>1313534
Seething: the post
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>>1313532
>>1313534
Did a drilled bike fuck your girlfriend? Just hide the thread retard
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>>1313614
>>1313624
Shit-tier trolling from /b/ tards: The Thread
Stupidity: The Thread
fuck off this is a stupid bait thread
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>>1313534
How does it feel to be ignored by the mods over and over again while you seethe at literally everything on this board?
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>>1313744
>assuming this board has active mods
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>>1309923
What does he have to do with drillium?
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>>1313744
>more low-quality posting
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>>1313799
Sub-5kg drillium bikes are strictly for going uphill.
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A lighten-your-bike infographic would be awesome, shame /n/ is so low effort
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>>1315075
>descending a mountain at 40mph
>pull brake levers to slow down for a 90 degree curve
>brake calipers snap off because you """lightened""" them
>coroner finds you mangled body at the bottom of a ravine weeks later
>Call it """Evolution in Action"""
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i'd like drillium fenders
anyone ever done it?
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>>1315136
at first i was like that's the most retarded thing i've ever heard of, but i guess you could put a thin film across the holes
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>>1313342
Revoshift/gevenalle prototype mk1
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>>1309402
BENIS IN YOUR WEIGHT WEENUS!!! :DD
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>>1315077
>not trusting the engineers at Storck
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>not getting aero instead
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>>1315499
Aero: travel faster with less effort
Weenie: climb faster with less effort, cyclocross carries are easier
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>>1315503
>drillumfag destroys his bike to lose a WHOLE OUNCE
>meanwhile smart rider loses a WHOLE POUND (minimum!) of bodyfat
>weak slow lazy drillumfag still gets dropped on climbs
>smart low bodyfat rider gets KoMs
...
>weak slow lazy drillumfag refuses to do any real training
>"""just ride, bro!"""
>meanwhile smart rider actually trains, gets faster
>drillumfag *dropped*
...
>dum-dum drillumfag says "Hurr I'll lose weight *and* drill holes in my bike, because I iz smart!"
>dum-dum drillumfag's bike shatters into pieces at high speed
>RIP in peace drillumfag
>smart rider attends his funeral, then goes out and gets more KoMs
Drillumfags BTFO every single way you look at it. You cannot logically, rationally defend yourselves.
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>>1315706
Post too heavy didn’t read again
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>>1315075
Do my eyes deceive me: the seatstays are the brake arms? Was this sold as a consumer product?
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>>1315706
>fattie keeps projecting
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>>1315142
Great, now every little pebble that gets kicked up punches a hole through.
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>>1315503
Honestly, the extra two pounds isn't that much and unless the race is mostly going uphill slowly, aero is usually still better. Too bad it's easier to get a light bike than an aero bike.
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>>1315142
you could make the holes very very small, but make lots of them
the water will be stopped by its own surface tension
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>>1316528
Or, you know, you could just not be a retard that drills a shit-ton of holes in their bike, and just fucking live with the fact you're poor and a heavy bike is all you can afford. FFS go mow some lawns for a few months a buy a better lighter used bike of craigslist, and stop chowing down on entire large pizzas all the time (more money saved for a better bike anyway) so you're not so fat anymore, *ride moar*, *git gud*, then you'll climb hills faster anyway, without having a bike that looks like a swisscheese or a collander. Added bonus points: people won't point and laugh at you.
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>>1315136
Why not just have no fenders at all?
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>>1316593
lmao this guy is still going at it
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>>1316652
cause then me dong's all soggy
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>>1316680
But that eliminates the whole weight weenie thing. Try a mesh?
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>>1316700
Soaked clothes weigh more than fenders.
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>>1316712
>not cycling naked for the weight savings
Never gonna make it
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the bike does not really matter anymore. the rider will always be the heaviest thing not the bike.
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What sort of weight savings can I expect if I fill my tyres with helium?
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>>1317204
Vacuum weighs nothing, so just let all the air out of your tires for maximum speed.
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>>1315931
This is why the UCI should keep the weight limit: it promotes innovation in other performance-critical areas instead of an endless chase for the 'LIGHTEST EVER!' advertising tagline. That, and it discriminates against skin and bones stick men.



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