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Why don't you idiots understand that the reason this plane crashed has literally NOTHING to do with Boeing. It's stupid pilots who don't read the manual who fall asleep at the wheel.

>m-muh cope
>muh 737 max 8 cope

I'M NOT FUCKING COPING I'm just trying to tell you that after the investigations come out it will be shown that Boeing has done LITERALLY NOTHING wrong. Their stock is in the green today because smart investors know Boeing will be cleared and are buying the dip.

The only people who are going to be coping are the airbus shills after Boeing gets cleared and shown to have done nothing wrong.
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>>1297334
>Boeing gets shown to have done nothing wrong.

We already know they did something wrong - designing MCAS so that it takes data only from captain's AoA sensor, so basically with no redundancy. (MAX has 2 AoA vanes, airbuses have 4)

I do agree tho that Lion air crash is mainly caused by company culture, bad maintenance and pilots unable to perform memory items, but bad Boeing desing did help too.

Reason for the recent crash are currently unknown, obviously there are some similarities so we'll see.

Boeing certainly has to fix the MCAS issue both by adding redundancy and software/hardware updates. And they are indeed working on that right now.
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>>1297334
>It's stupid pilots who don't read the manual
The same manual that doesn't mention MCAS at all?
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CORPORATE MANSLAUGHTER
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>>1297334
up untill 9 days after the lion air crash the mcas wasnt on the manual
second
mcas cannot be fully disabled only if you lower the gear and set the flaps to +1 good luck doing so while crusing at 600-700kts..
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>>1297353
There are also flights that reported the plane forcing the nose down that didn't crash.
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>>1297334
Manual doesn't mention MCAS at all.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/u-s-pilots-flying-737-max-werent-told-about-new-automatic-systems-change-linked-to-lion-air-crash/

>Training on moving from the old 737 NG model cockpit to the new 737 MAX consisted of little more than a one-hour session on an iPad
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OH NO NO NO

FAA JUST GROUNDED YOUR PLANE
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>>1297458
why are you making shit up?

MCAS can be disabled by doing memory items which include switching two trim cutoff switches to 'on' position. that's literally that. or extending the flaps to any position. or just using the electrical trim buttons which are on the freaking streering column (this disables MCAS temporarily - but enough to regain lost control). I'm sure there's also a circuit braker for that. So there are at least 4 ways in which you can disable MCAS while in flight.

Runaway stabiliser memory items were published years before Lion air crash. Every pilot MUST be able to perform memory items at any time, it's an absolute must to pass any pilot exams.
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>>1297334
If it's Boeing I ain't going.
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>>1297501
no mcas CANNOT be entirely disabled you just reduce the impact it has

do you even know why boeing had to create that stupid system in the first place?
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MAX butthurt
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I'm just happy that I have an excuse to not ride in that shitty cabin that AA has
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>>1297501
>MCAS can be disabled by doing memory items which include switching two trim cutoff switches to 'on' position. that's literally that. or extending the flaps to any position. or just using the electrical trim buttons which are on the freaking streering column (this disables MCAS temporarily - but enough to regain lost control). I'm sure there's also a circuit braker for that. So there are at least 4 ways in which you can disable MCAS while in flight.

1. MCAS is active in Manual Flight, activating A/P will disactivate MCAS.

2. A Flaps setting with isn't 0 will also deactivate MCAS.

3. Landing Gear in the Down Position will also deactivate MCAS.

3. Electrical Trim will override MCAS trim inputs, however if Electrical Trim inputs are not being made, MCAS will Trim Down.

4. Trim Cuttoff will also disable Electrical Trim, meaning that all further trim movements must be made manually using a handle in the trim wheel.

5. MCAS has no obvious circuit breaker, since Boeing has yet to publish their updated manual.
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>FAA grounds the plane
Oh boy. Well, on the flip side, tomorrow will be a good day to buy some Boeing stock.
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Boeing has grounded its entire global fleet of 737 Max aircraft after investigators uncovered new evidence at the scene of the fatal Ethiopian Airlines crash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47562727

The US plane-maker said it would suspend all 371 of the aircraft.

The Federal Aviation Administration said fresh evidence as well as newly refined satellite data prompted the decision to temporarily ban the jets.

The FAA had previously held out while many countries banned the aircraft.

The crash on Sunday in Addis Ababa killed 157 people.

It was the second fatal Max 8 disaster in five months after one crashed over Indonesia in October, claiming 189 lives.
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>>1297558
The FAA has a team investigating the disaster at the Ethiopian Airlines crash site working with the National Transportation Safety Board.

Dan Elwell, acting administrator at the FAA, said on Wednesday: "It became clear to all parties that the track of the Ethiopian Airlines [flight] was very close and behaved very similarly to the Lion Air flight."

He added that "the evidence we found on the ground made it even more likely the flight path was very close to Lion Air's".


President Donald Trump initially announced that the FAA would be making an emergency order following "new information and physical evidence that we've received from the site and from other locations and through a couple of other complaints".

The US is the latest country to suspend the Boeing 737 Max from flying after nations include the UK, the European Union, China, India and Australia all grounded the aircraft.

Up until today, the FAA position was that a review had showed "no systemic performance issues" and that there was no basis for grounding the aircraft.

Earlier on Wednesday, Canada grounded the planes after its transport minister Marc Garneau said he had received new evidence about the crash.

He said that satellite data showed possible similarities between flight patterns of Boeing 737 Max planes operating in Canada and the Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed.
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If it ain't Airbus it's sus
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>>1297561
[wheedling painfully camp faggot voice]"and through a couple of other complaints".

what, like killer plane killed everybody?
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>The updates ... were originally planned for early January.
>Officials at the company reportedly didn’t agree with federal regulators on how extensive the updates should be.
>US officials have also blamed part of the delay on this year’s government shutdown ... saying it halted work for at least five weeks.
It isn't just the Boeing shills trying to place blame on panicking pilots not being able to recover complete flight control in time.
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>>1297334
Fuck Boeing, fuck Airbus.
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>>1297558
>The US plane-maker said it would suspend all 371 of the aircraft.

after everyone and their mothers practicly banned it
boeing comes in and say hey will stop them

they have no shame
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>i want airbus shills to leave
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Let's track the /n/mutt and overall mutt response to this scenario:
>hurr fucking niggers thrid world chimps
>fuck commie yuros, chink conspiracy boeing did nothing wrong
[entire world including mongolia sees a pattern here]
*mongo tweet - ban all plaine*
>---------------------------------------------
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>>1297584
>Glass Cockpit with a Flight Engineer
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>>1297334
MAX casualties.
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MAX design errors
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Zoomer busriders we need more epic memes I see a lot of banter posting but not enough meme warfare against boeing boomers
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>>1297334
>Grounded!
literally has everything to do with the shitty design of the aircraft.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/business/canada-737-max.html
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>>1297631
Yeah, what's wrong? If something goes wrong FE would do something about it and pilots won't be distracted by some shit, like MCAS misbehaving.
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>>1297649
Also, it doesn't have western botnet in it.
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>>1297631
Where are the pictures of Kim Jong Un?
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>>1297706
That's what the middle seat is for. They buckle in a framed picture into it prior to lift off.
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>>1297631
Why do communists love those sickly gas chamber green/blue colors so much
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>>1297766
>His bdsm dungeon isnt mig-21 green.
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>>1297334
t. coping,seething air cager
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was just on that death trap last week, lucky I made it
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>>1297334
COPE HARDER
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>>1297932
lucky escape m8
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>>1297334
>Pull up, HAL
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>>1297334
>It's stupid pilots who don't read the manual
>before Lion Air crash MCAS wasn't in the manual
0/10 shilling, KYS
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>>1298529
Boeing also insulted Lion Air pilots. What does Lion Air do? Cancel their remaining 737 MAX orders and converts them into A321neo orders.
https://airlinerwatch.com/lion-air-plans-to-switch-to-airbus/
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>>1298566
it'll be really funny when one of Lion Air's incompetent flight crews puts a <6-months-old A320 into the drink, as they did with a 737-800 a couple years back.
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>>1298577
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>>1298577
>737-800 a couple years back.
Sure Lion is a bit sketchy when it comes to maintenance, but that 737-800 crash partially caused by pilots using drug
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I'd rather fly an Airbus than a MAXcoffin
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>>1298827
Same bro, Airbus for life
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>>1297468
>The problem is only fatal in 30% times! Therefore it's okay to make everyone fly on a plane with such problem!
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>>1297631
thats an observer seat
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>>1297334
You don't ground literally all planes of a particular model unless you suspect somethings up with the aircraft itself.
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>>1297400
>Shareholders: price is cratering do something!
>Boeing CEO: just, like, grap the trim wheel bro



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