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https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/buses-to-replace-long-distance-amtrak-trains-under-trump-budget-proposal.html

After running on an election platform of improving and investing into America's transport infrastructure, Trump is now proposing to kill long distance Amtrak trains and replace them with buses, even though Amtrak already subsidies those routes with profits from the NEC and Keystone Corridor.

Isn't this just a total slap in the face for his electorate? Much of rural America is only connected to major cities by these vital train routes, and these areas voted for Trump. And now he's fucking them up?

Pic unrelated is Paris Métro because I'm Phoneposting and I only have access to my phone's pics.
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>>1296551
Trump's electorate won't get on a train because there might be black people on it.
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>>1296551
Amtrak fucking sucks though and is hilariously expensive. It costs almost $200 for me to take an Amtrak to NYC for an 18 hour trip. I can take a Megabus or a Boltbus for $40 and "only" 11 hour trip.
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>>1296551
You understand that the President has literally no power over creating the federal budget, right?
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>brainlet country makes brainlet president
>brainlet president makes brainlet decisions
Big deal, more at 12
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>>1296567
This desu
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Burgers chose this destiny and they can choke on it.
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>>1296551
You're heavily implying mongo will get his budget passed, which is not the case.
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>>1296551
maybe if Amtrak would stop derailing and killing people...
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>>1296551
Trump is a Russian asset, Milania is his 'handler', and Putin has directed him to create divisiveness amongst the American people, and destroy America as much as possible before being outsted. Ruining infrastructure is part of that overall plan.
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>>1296619
Which is why Trump is undermining Putin, fighting Russia in proxy conflicts and actively meddles in the Baltic Sea gasline projects to prevent more Russian gas and oil from being sold to Europe, right?
I'm not a trumpfag but you're a fucking retard if you believe any of this Russia bullshit.
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USA and Trump can't maintain a basic railway system. Pathetic. The World is laughing at you USA
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>>1296670
They move more freight by rail then any other country, who is laughing now?
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>>1296551
>Isn't this just a total slap in the face for his electorate? Much of rural America is only connected to major cities by these vital train routes

No. Those cities and towns have highways.

People have cars and can drive to an airport for a cheaper and faster way to travel long distance than Amtrak. Exponentially more destinations, too.
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>>1296566
>the President has literally no power over creating the federal budget

Do you know what politics is
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>good riddance...
*crack*
>socialist porkdoggle...
*sips*
>MAGA! LOCK HER UP!
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>>1296725
Anon I've never heard "porkdoggle" before just boondoggle.
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>>1296745
Amtrak is the final boss and needed a special buzzword of its own.
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Railways are inefficient and expensive.
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>>1296884
they're far more efficient than freeways

steel wheel > rubber tyre
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>>1296885
>>1296884
Why not screw wings onto train to reduce rolling friction?
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>>1296885
>steel wheel > rubber tyre
OP's pic is of a rubber tyred metro. That's kinda funny.
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>>1296908
Why rubber tyred metro is so shit, shaky af and noisy af, while steel is smooth and screeches nicely.
Why Alst*m lies to us, about benefits?
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Pic related.

Also..
>The budget would still have to be approved by Congress, and RPA noted that in the past two years the legislature had rejected the cuts to rail and urban transport funding proposed by the Trump administration.

I'll believe it when I see it, basically.
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>>1296887
Literally what
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>>1296887
I don't think wings would work because of ROW issues but a balloon lifting up might. Maybe something like a blimp? A blimp train hybrid? Is that a thing? idk
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>>1296551
>Much of rural America is only connected to major cities by these vital train routes
The airports he's shutting down is an issue, but I live in South Dakota and we don't have a single AMTRACK station.
Greyhound is where it's at in terms of getting around really.
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>>1296551

Has anyone rode on Amtrak for long distance travel for work or vacation? I feel like many supporters haven't.
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>>1297721
I've used the North East Regional from Washington DC Union Station to New York Penn Station and the Maple Leaf from New York Penn Station to Toronto Union Station.

The NE-Regional was about 2 hours long and was more comparable to a European InterCity service and it arrived on time. I couldn't complain. The Maple Leaf used the same Budd Amfleet rolling stock as the NE-Regional though, however the Maple Leaf took 15 hours to get to Toronto, considering that the train was delayed by 3 hours...... Eh, the journey was pleasant, CBSA was not and the VIA Rail conductor was much less relaxed than the Amtrak guy he replaced after the border....

I would say that for a lot of the trains which take less than a day from A to B, Amtrak is pretty alright, and if you had to get from some place like Rochester or Buffalo to New York City, then I suppose it makes sense. It certainly beats taking the bus, that's for sure, and I really do not know if regional flights are cheap enough to really justify it (though the cost of a Porter Airlines flight from Toronto to Washington Dulles cost about the same in general, even if it took just under 2 hours to do the flight). If you're going from major city to major city, then I suppose Amtrak just can't make much sense. If you're really strapped on cash, then I suppose taking the long distance trains which are like a few times a week would beat taking the regional flight to wherever (since they expect you to connect onto some major domestic or international flight). The thing is, the train is a necessity for those people who live in major towns/small cities which do not really have much else for transport. If it's between a super-expensive regional flight out of your tiny municipal airport, driving, taking the bus or taking the train, it's the train which becomes the no-brainer answer, and I suppose it makes more sense if you go with the idea that there will be people who will be making journeys from the less populated urban centres
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>>1297721
I've been on the Texas Eagle from LA to West Texas. The train itself was really nice, the only problem was insane delays, which apparently aren't an issue before. (They were the result of stopping the train over and over again to give freight the right of way, which is illegal, and now that they've actually started enforcing the law the Eagle has gone from like 15% on time to 96% or something like that.)
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>>1297738
>apparently aren't an issue before.
derp, aren't an issue anymore
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>>1296556
They wouldn't ride a bus either.
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>>1297721
I have literally never seen someone unironically propose Amtrak long distance as a serious mode of transportation, and I love trains. They're just fucking stupid with the staffing requirements. Even if you could wave a wand and make it all 220 mph HSR for the same price, it still wouldn't pencil out. Flying is literally cheaper most times, and for small destinations/people with a fear of flying, buses are cheaper and usually faster. They should have been replaced with subsidized bus service to destinations not currently served years ago. Amtrak should focus on regional rail where it actually makes sense and can have an impact.
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>>1297734
>North East Regional
That is not Amtrak long distance. Amtrak long distance refers to their long hual sleeper routes. No one is proposing changes to Amtraks regional lines, which are typically state supported anyways (if they're not operationally profitable, which some are).
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>>1297762
People who advocate for HSR and such usually don't do it because they think it will be operationally better than flying. They usually do it because riding a train is far more convenient for medium-range journeys (just look at Europe), and out of environmental concerns.
The reason why flying is so cheap is because its real societal costs are being pushed onto future generations and people other than those who purchase the tickets.
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>>1297777
>its real societal costs are being pushed onto future generations and people other than those who purchase the tickets.

Communism mixed with luddism.
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>>1297734
there is no way you got from dc to ny in 2 hours on a fucking train
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>>1297803
It's 330 km by plane, so it sounds plausible. Assuming 400 km because the train doesn't go in a straight line, at an average speed of 180 km/h it would take ~2h15
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>>1297803
You've got to take into account the 2 hours pre flight and collecting luggage from the other end.
So for most short/medium journeys trains beat planes. Trains could even beat cars on shorter journeys for places with high traffic density like LA and Houston.
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>>1298371
>2 hours pre flight and collecting luggage from the other end

Why must train spergs exaggerate this amount of time to make trains look competitive?
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>>1298375
It's absolutely not exaggerated. 30 minutes to get to the airport, plus mandatory one hour since registration closes 40 minutes before takeoff. If you want to have a minimum of margin, it's another 30 minutes. Congrats, you've needed two hours to embark a plane. I'm a chill dude so I usually only need an hour and a half, but with my family you've got to leave home AT LEAST two hours before takeoff.
Versus:
>the chad train
>go to city center instead of 20+ km away, so 15 minutes away by public transit
>no security controls, get 10 minutes before the train leaves just in case
>total time spent not in the train: 25 minutes
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>>1298399
>30 minutes to get to the airport
Good thing the train station is right across the street from your apartment

>plus mandatory one hour since registration closes 40 minutes before takeoff.
Lol. I'm through security in 15-30 minutes. Unless I'm going international or on a holiday I get there 30" ahead of departure and I've always made it w/o problems

>Congrats, you've needed two hours to embark a plane.
Well, you did. Not me
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>>1298400
>I'm through security in 15-30 minutes.
I'm through security in literal 5 minutes, it makes me laugh that you're so deluded as to think this is a good time. But it doesn't matter, because registration closes 40 minutes before takeoff. It's literally impossible not to wait these 40 minutes.

>Good thing the train station is right across the street from your apartment
About 3 km away, still 5 times closer than the airport
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>>1298375
>>1298399
>>1298400
>>1298403
don't forget the 45mins it takes amerifats to waddle from one side of the airport to the other
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>>1298403
Never heard of a "registration" closing. If you can check in, go through security, and make it to the gate before they close the door you're fine. That's what I mean by the 30-45 minutes. Less than that at smaller airports.

Sad that you have to exaggerate airport times to make trains look comparable
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>>1298400
He's right tho. If the station is more than 15 minutes away, say 30, then we'd likely be talking about a big city, so the airport is probably at least 1 hour away.
We could say that getting to the airport vs the train station will always add about one and a half hours. And another 30 minutes getting luggage.

So any plane journey must automatically add at the very least 2 hours over a comparable train journey.
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>>1298413
Quick google search says that check in closes at the very least 30 minutes before, sometimes up to AN HOUR before the flight leaves. Depends on airline and airport.

>Yes, you may check-in for your American Airlines (AA) flight online starting 24 hours and ending 45 minutes before the scheduled departure time
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/checkin.php

>Time limit for checking in
>45 minutes before your flight
https://www.iberia.com/es/time-limit/

>30 minutes at the very least with Swiss
https://www.swiss.com/il/EN/prepare/check-in/checkin-times

etc.
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>>1298413
So
>bullshit
30-45 minutes airport, 0 minutes train station
>extra time so that you don't get late
20 minutes airport, 10 minutes train station
>time to get to the premises
30 minutes airport, 15 minutes train station
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>>1298419
In short, I've never had to spend 2 hours at an airport before boarding. Don't deceive people with dubious claims.
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>>1298421
You still spend two hours between leaving your house and having the plane actually taking off, and let's not even mention waiting for your luggage upon arrival.
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>>1298423
None of that is correct. You're making incorrect assumptions and then purposely lying to make trains look better.

You lose. Just be honest in the future
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Skycages are planet-killers, and if there’s a single positive aspect of the impending climate catastrophe, it’s seeing SEETHING boom-booms go apeshit as they lose the luxuries they’ve come to consider their rights.

>wut do ya mean i can’t take a jet from baltimore to d.c. anymore?
*sips*
>this is communism!
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>>1298432
Baltimore to DC is well within driving distance anon :^)
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>>1298440
It’s my God-given right to fly if I want you pinko fringie snowflake. This isn’t Venezuela.
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>>1297630
AZ here, same boat. There is no hub structure in middle America past Chicago. Everything else is focused on going coast to coast.
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>>1297630
>>1298445
The ABSOLUTE STATE
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>>1298445
>>1298461
Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix for Southwest, DFW
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Could you imagine if all these cagecucked western states once had sprawling networks of electric railway lines but all of their tax dollars went to subsidizing cagecancer competition instead and they let these aforementioned rail networks go broke and die off? Haha that would be incredibly stupid.
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>>1298466
They didn't
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>>1298468
Of course not. The interstates were handed down to the founding fathers by God himself.
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>>1298470
Like trolleys were?
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>>1298481
>communism on wheels
>god
Get a load of this fringie.
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>>1298484
>God is good
>Communism on wheels is bad
Take your meds, cager
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>>1297777
>They usually do it because riding a train is far more convenient for medium-range journeys (just look at Europe)
That's true, but Amtrak Long Distance is not medium range trips. I'm saying that even if all long distance routes could magically be made HSR for the same ticket price, they still would not make sense in this day and age with our interstate system and air system. Flying is usually cheaper, or comparable, and would still be much faster, and buses are significantly cheaper.
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>>1298415
Yes, but you do not in fact need to be at the airport to check in. It's just when you get your boarding pass, which most people do the night before on their phone these days.
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>>1298499
>but you do not in fact need to be at the airport to check in
How do you give them your luggage them? By teleportation?
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>>1296884
american railways are inefficient and expensive
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>>1298507
*underfund public service*
>yup...
*crack*
>another boondoggle...
*sip*
>socialism just don’t work
*belch*
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>>1298504
I give it to a skycap or someone in the terminal. Doesn't take long
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>>1298507
It's the same everywhere
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>>1298530
You mean online check in. But you still have to bring your baggage before check in closes.
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>>1298504
Checking luggage is different, but frequently, especially on flights short enough to be competitive with rail, it's popular to pack everything into your "personal item" and carry on and bring them on the plane yourself, in which case, you only need to be at the gate before it closes, and you can cut it as close as you like. But still, checking bags is not required to fly, so you only need the extra time if you want it.
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>>1298464
Phoenix and SLC aren't train hub cities from my POV. For example, there is no train from Phoenix up to Flagstaff or Douglas to get people toward the Grand Canyon. I believe all those cities do have massive hub airports though. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Also, why in the actual fuck doesn't Last Vegas have an trainlines. They seem like the perfect spot to run tracks as a central station.
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>>1297762
>>1297777
>The reason why flying is so cheap is because its real societal costs are being pushed onto future generations and people other than those who purchase the tickets.
This, and airlines get shittons of governmental subsidies that Amtrak doesn't, and therefore has to generate on its own with the NEC, Chicago Hub, and any partnerships with State DOTs
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>>1298399
>>go to city center instead of 20+ km away
That it, if the public planners weren't fucking retarded enough to put the main station outside the city limits (Albany, Miami, fucking Phoenix)
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>>1298557
It did until 97
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Wind
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>>1298557
>Also, why in the actual fuck doesn't Last Vegas have an trainlines. They seem like the perfect spot to run tracks as a central station.
XpressWest is doing just that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XpressWest
They will be running between Las Vegas and Palmdale, and it will connect to Metrolink and CAHSR (or at least is planned to...). There will also be a stop in Victorville, where the train can connect to the Southwest Chief, but that's like 7 Amtrak trains a day on that line.
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>>1298548
Never had a problem with check-in 'closing'

I just give my baggage to a skycap or the people in the terminal. Never had to wait long for that (zero wait if I use a skycap)
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>>1298570
>skycap
When the fuck are you posting from? The fucking 1950s?
I've never ever seen a porter at any Western airports. Unironically, I've only ever seen them at African airports where the locals are looking to make a quick buck off of richer European tourists.

Most airlines and even certain airports will enforce very strict check-in times in order to reduce delays and also for security reasons. I typically get to the airport at least an hour before departure time, check in by baggage, if I have any to check-in and then immediately proceed to security, which can take up to 20 minutes max, not for the actually security, but for the freaking queue. Then there's actually getting to the gate, but I never really take longer than 5 or so minutes to get to a gate. I swear, most airport signs are written for fat Americans who struggle to hobble along. 35 minute walk time? Why the fuck can I walk that in 5 minutes? Who is writing these signs?????

Plus, serious delays in security or passport control can really, really make the airport experience worse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47521609
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>>1298504
Pack light and just use a carryon suitcase + personal item. You don't need to take a whole house of shit with you. The only reason to check luggage in is if you have a large item like a bike.
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>>1296551
His electorate only cares about owning the libs, after 8 years of trying to portray Obama as an oppressive communist dictator that was literally Hitler, they are out for revenge with what they see as someone just as bad, but on their side.
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>>1298574
>When the fuck are you posting from? The fucking 1950s?
Bad argument. Atlanta is my primary but they're at every large and mid-sized airport I've been to. Only small ones didn't have them.

>Most airlines and even certain airports will enforce very strict check-in times
Online bro. Are you posting from the 1950s? :^)

>fat Americans
SEETHING foreigner. That explains all the histrionics
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>>1298583
>Online bro.
I check-in online well in advance, and I almost always use apps for the boarding pass. But I still need to go to the baggage drop well in advance of the flight, and that is basically the same as what Check-In was years ago.

Still, porters are not a thing at all. I don't think I've even seen at airports like Toronto Pearson, Toronto Billy Bishop or Washington Dulles. They're not a thing at all in Europe and I've only seen porters like that in smaller Ukrainian and Russian regional airports, not forgetting the airports in Cape Verde.
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>>1298588
>I still need to go to the baggage drop well in advance of the flight
I don't, of course if I shave it too close they won't make the flight but they'll be on the next one and I plan for that by packing what I need in my carry on.

>Still, porters are not a thing at all.
They are, I use them
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>>1298592
>they won't make the flight but they'll be on the next one
This is such a huge hassle and airlines are so bad about keeping track of your shit that I find it retarded that anyone would rely on them to actually be competent in this regard. I primarily fly out of ATL as well, but I would never in a million years trust Delta, Southwest, or any other shittier carrier to get a bag to me in a timely manner if it doesn't make it on the plane.

re: check-in and security, sometimes you have no choice but to check-in at the airport. This is often required for international flights, and can be required on domestic flights if TSA/DHS decides your name sounds suspiciously brown or flags something else about you from all the data they've been collecting. Second, security lines can be absolute ass. ATL is better than DEN and some others sure, but unless you have pre-check the lines can be absolute ass depending on how lazy TSA feels.

Lastly, for transit, unless you live on the south side near the airport, you need to budget at least an hour to get there from anywhere on the northern Perimeter given the nature of traffic on I-285 and I-75/85. I personally prefer MARTA, but even then they have breakdowns often enough that I keep a lot of padding when getting to the airport. I generally try to arrive no less than an hour before boarding, 90-100 minutes before departure.
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>>1298609
From Dunwoody north the trip to the airport station is almost an hour, it's quicker to get there by car unless it's rush hour (even then sometimes you luck out) lol
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>>1296716
Congress sets the budget. Period.
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>>1298658
Not what I asked
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>>1296618
That would requires so much funding to make Amtrak stop being Amtrak
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>>1296551
I'm poor as fuck and amtrak is literally the only way I can afford to travel long distance because coach is cheaper by like $300 than a plane, plus it's way more comfortable.
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>>1298744
Stop living in places that allow airlines to charge you that much of a premium, 300 could have got you to London already
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>>1297738
That's not illegal, the freight trains own the tracks genius.
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>>1296551
trump has seemingly made it his goal to fuck over every single group that voted for him in some way or form.

either way theirs no chance in hell it would even go through.
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>>1299513
Slashing Amtrak's budget/routes doesn't fuck his voters in any way
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>>1299519
>cutting a vital piece of low cost transportation that is used mainly by low income travelers in conservative areas doesnt fuck over his voter base
okay.
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>>1299524
Amtrak is not vital and often isn't low cost. Driving, taking a bus, and flying is how they get around.
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>>1299524
Trump's a buffoon, but amtrak is not "low cost." the times I checked, it was always more expensive than flying.
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>>1296670
literally has the best rail network in the world...
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>>1299524
>if you're poor, then you must be a moral degenerate
... That's not how that works.
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>>1296551
Typical Trump: destroying something he doesn't understand.

One of his cronies must be a bus line owner.
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>>1299513
>>1299519
>>1299524
>>1299526
>>1299546
>>1299554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwjwePe-HmA

A lot of rural parts of America literally have no choice between driving on rural road and taking the train. Some places have rural airports which are so expensive to operate for only 2-4 flights a day that the train is a significantly cheaper option taking whatever tiny regional flight.

A lot of rural America voted for Trump, and Trump stood on an election platform of improving American transport infrastructure. For him to cut what are services in the public interest simply because it's easy money, that's just a slap in the face for people who voted for him specifically because he promised to improve their access to transport.
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>>1296551
>Isn't this just a total slap in the face for his electorate?
Nah, like 90% of the time I use Amtrak I'm using their busses rather than their trains. Going across California it's more convenient going full bus rather than transfering from bus to rail and back again.

Someone probably ran the passenger numbers, did a CBA and figured this was where to make the cut. Which is short sighted, I think the main benefit of Amtrak is that they keep the righs of way operational for a possible future system several decades in the future.
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>>1299507
United States law says Amtrak has priority over freight. Doesn't matter who owns the tracks, this was the trade-off for the railways to stop running passenger services. The government does it for them instead, but they must give priority to passenger trains over freight.
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>>1299561
Depending on where you live, Greyhound may have better service than Amtrak.
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no one in America rides a train except for sightseeing tours or if you live in New England area
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>>1299568
Cringe and retardpilled.
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>>1299561
Amtrak isn't VITAL though. You are trying to paint a picture where a small set of people are marooned if it disappears which is simply not true
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>>1299561
Yes, but those places could be served by bus service for less, which is Trump's plan.
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>>1299562
I mean, all of Amtrack's long distance is along heavily used freight ROW.
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>>1299577
>>1299579
Which then makes the United States have even worse passenger rail offerings than Uzbekistan?

Yeah.... the US is fucked when it comes to transport infrastructure. Trump lied to voters, and now he's wasting money on what is basically a vanity project when the real emergency is the irreversible climate change which needs to be dealt with ASAP. Part of that is with investing into passenger rail, but it seems that Trump cares more about his own stuff, like that time he wanted to put astronauts who were not ready for a mission to the Moon onto EM-1, which would have also been the first launch ever of the SLS rocket.

Yeah......
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>>1299588
>Which then makes the United States have even worse passenger rail offerings than Uzbekistan?
Unlike Uzbekistan we have a robust highway system and extensive commercial air service.

>DRUMPF >>>:(
Absolutely seething. Sad!
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>>1299593
>Drumpf
We're talking about Trump policy here. That's not really an argument/counter.

The fact of the matter is that Trump has failed to prioritise real issues on which he campaigned on in 2016, all the while basically funding vanity projects. He has failed his voter base and he has failed the United States. It is up to the American public to tell him, "You're Fired" next year.
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>>1296619
Is this what you brain dead Euros believe? Take your head out of your ass you cuck.
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>>1299581
If we can get back the ROW in 20 to 30 years after the population has increased, then I guess it's ok. I can see how it would be a pain in the ass for people going long distance, but there's so few people traveling by that method that it hardly seems worth the cost vs an extended Amtrak bus system that would provide virtually the same service.
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>>1296670
How dumb are you? We have one of the largest rail systems in the world. Most burgers prefer to fly because it cheaper. Passenger rail systems only work in super dense urban areas or tiny europoor countries. It makes no sense to build out a passenger rail system in an area the size of France and Germany that has half the population.
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>>1299601
>That's not really an argument/counter.
Neither is talking about SLS

>He has failed his voter base
Cutting amtrak's budget doesn't fail his voter base. If anything it impacts coastal liberals, since they use Amtrak more than people in the country's interior


>>1299608
>Most burgers prefer to fly because it cheaper.
Usually cheaper, more destinations, more schedule flexibility, far faster
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>>1299588
>Which then makes the United States have even worse passenger rail offerings than Uzbekistan?
Uzbekistan did not spend billions building an extensive interstate system, and Amtrak long distance is not the entirety of US passenger rail. The NEC and state supported routes, the service that is actually useful and used, is not going anywhere. What is being proposed is replacing ridiculous long distance trains that are expensive to operate with busses that can provide faster transport at a cheaper cost.
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>>1299638
>What is being proposed is replacing ridiculous long distance trains that are expensive to operate with busses that can provide faster transport at a cheaper cost.
This. A greyhound from anywhere in the lower 48 ot anywhere in the lower 48 is about $200. An equivalent A to B with Amtrak is going to cost more (about double) and be about the same time for trips longer than a day or two, and slower for trips shorter than 18 hours.
Plus, you aren't subsidizing communism with a greyhound, and (imo) the interstate highway system in the west and midwest has some of the most beautiful views in America.



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