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I'm a long time bicycle enthusiast, but I look at a lot of cooler new bikes & think, for that price I'd rather get a nicr used car, damn!

Let's get real, anything over $1,200 is just outright outlandishly overpriced.

Not to mention you can't even sell a used bike for more than $400-800, even it cost thousands....

So, obviously the bike market is extremely overpriced & undervalued, it us a small frame with wheels on it, not a damn computer or car, come on!

/End rant
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nice blog
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>>1269537
General consensus is 1500+ is diminishing returns. About 500 is entry level for brand new bike. The bike market varies greatly city to city because it's general value stems from it's utility so obviously larger car centric cities have lower general prices but denser bike friendly cities, the price of bikes never drop.

This thread is shit because OP is blind AF
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how long did you spend reading about the cost of R&D for new bicycle tech & cost of manufacturing to come to this conclusion? Let me guess, none?
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>>1269537
>So, obviously the bike market is extremely overpriced & undervalued,


Obviously. But as long there are enough stupid rich parent's kids, yuppies, and all sorts of silly fanboys of cycling related meme-products, willing to pay these insane prices, the cycling industry would be dumb not to make maximum
profits from them.
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>>1269537
> $1,200
wtf

1-2 decades ago a mounteen bike WITH shocks was ~200€
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>>1269660
that wasn't a bike anon, that was a bicycle shaped object
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>>1269674
it was kinda like the op save for the disk brakes
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For a road bike about $1500 is the end of the really good value upgrades. You can still get some extra upgrades with accessories. For mountain bikes its way higher I have used a $1300, $2300 and $8000 mountain bike and there is a world of difference between each one.

The $12,000 road bikes are really just for milking money from Fred's though.
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>>1269660
A mountain bike from 1-2 decades ago probably wouldn't even be called a mountain bike anymore. MTB trails are far tougher with huge drops that those old mountain bikes would snap on.
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>>1269677
The $12,000 road bikes are for the pros.
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>>1269660
ok
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>>1269684
what's your point
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>>1269660
lolno, even the fork alone was more expensive
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>>1269660
that shit tier of bike you're thinking of still exists at walmart
they're mountain bikes only in name and not designed for actual trail use
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>>1269537
>anything over $1,200 is just outright outlandishly overpriced
If you're a weekend-only casual or recreational or commute rider. Then almost anything will do.
For some of us we've graduated out of the beginner-tier and want something better performing. Spend whatever you're comfortable with, though, nobody really cares.
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Before carbon you could get a top end full DA bike with Ksyrium SSC wheels for about 2000€ from german mailorder brands like Canyon and Rose.
Sure there is some inflation in there but price vs quality has really gone apeshit the last years.
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Yeah, nothing wrong with Aluminum, the difference is purely taste for me vs carbon, & I like my shiny Aluminum anyway!

I agree, pricing vs value is nuts.

Even pros will tell you there is little difference from aluminum & carbon wheels....

Same with wheel size, very little difference, though the 29ers are faster uphill, the 26" is faster downhill.

I have seen the carbon belt, internet cog setup, & I wasn't even impressed at all, because the price & availability are just nuts.

I agree $600-$,1500 seems to be a good range for new bikes, but I buy used for like $60-$500, which include those expensive "Pro" bikes.
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>>1269815
>Even pros will tell you there is little difference from aluminum & carbon wheels....
source on that, bucko
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>>1269818

https://www.outsideonline.com/2112031/youre-wasting-your-money-expensive-bike-get-wheels-instead
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>>1269834
This writer (not a pro racer) is literally saying that a wheel upgrade is more advantageous than most other upgrades and then goes on to cite 3 carbon wheelsets.
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This thread has the most delusional misinformation I've ever seen
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>>1269834
You literally just proved yourself wrong. How dumb can you get
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>>1269792
>>1269786
maybe, after a decade of heavy use and off trail - it broke a little in the bottom, so what's a reel mountin bike? list parts don't give me faggy pics, the ones i know had shimano gears
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>why is high-end sports equipment expensive????
Great question idiot.
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>>1269896
it still wouln't help your fat ass :^)
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>>1269702
2700 $
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>>1269921
looks like those 200 eur ones

i get it
>ITT
>buyer's regret, major cope edition
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>>1269684
Why did Y-frames fall out of fashion?
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>>1269952
Dropper posts.
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Look, pro MTB racers often opt for aluminum because they don't snap under punishment....

Aluminum = 2000 grams or less
Carbon 1080+ grams

Aluminum can hold more weight.

Shaving 1 lb off your bike for the added cost of $600 to $2,000???

SCREW THAT!.

Sorry I posted the wrong link, but enough said, spend $3,000++ on a bike if it helps you shave a second or 5 off your ride, whatever!
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>>1269923
>ITT
>10 year olds
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>>1269980
Post the correct link then
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>>1269980
>Look, pro MTB racers often opt for aluminum
False
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>>1269572
>the cost of R&D for new bicycle tech
which gives exactly WHAT improvements to bicycles? They have barely changed since 1893
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>>1270052
2/10 shitpost
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>>1270053
cope

read this magnificent line of bullshit from BMC:

>Today bicycle technology is synonymous with the world of computers –very three years the technology is already outdated and it no longer meets the demands of the rider.

source: https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/bx-en/experience/bmc-tempo/our_best_kept_secret_the_impec_advanced_rd_lab/

the whole line of bicycle "R&D" is nothing but horseshit. The manufacturers themselves declare their 3-year old bicycles "obsolete".
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>>1269537
You can't take your nice used car onto the trail.
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>>1270055
Help I’m being gaslighted

If you really think nothing has vastly improved in over 100 years I give you a 1/10 shitpost rating or the advice to pull your head out of your ass.
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>>1270070
>3 years = 100 years
holy shit bro go back to school and focus this time
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>>1269952
Stiffness suffers
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>>1270085
>They have barely changed since 1893
No
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>>1270089
>he thinks its 1896
bruh
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>>1270094
0/10 shitpost, consider sterilization
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>>1269537
Maybe this reigns true for more conventional bikes, but buying a new DH bike for under 3000$ CAD is not easy. I got my current bike for 1900$ used, this having been my third DH/freeride bike I would say most bikes under 1000$ are going to be a though sell.
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>>1269678
In one decade the average trail may be marginally tougher, but at the top end older trails can still prove difficult. The mountains haven magically gotten steeper, and people haven't grown bigger balls in a decade. When you build a hard trail, you build it to push what you think is possible on a bike, sometimes you're a dumb-ass though and build a trail that no-one has the balls to ride. Two decades ago yeah, the tech was much more limiting and reflected what was built and ridden.
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>>1269815
In the DH world cup most of the fastest times are being set with 650B or 29, so I wouldn't call 26 the faster wheel for downhill necessarily.
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>>1269815
>pricing vs value is nuts.

This. It was already the case 25 years ago and has only become worse.
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Bike brands are a scam and everyone knows that. As long they keep selling good, the price agreement between brands will still remain. The only store here in europe who is actively trying to be cheaper is decathlon making durable bikes with known brand components (shimano, rockshox etc.) and is for some reason is not popular among "hardcores".
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>>1269875
You'd be surprised.
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>>1272757
Finally someone recognizes B'TWIN bikes. It's a shame because all the user reviews are good, even magazines like Cycling Weekly says they are good and there are cyclist in the Tour de France using those. Yet most people still have this smug attitude towards them like they are just your typical supermarket bikes. I don't say they are the best thing ever but they are definitely underrated and deserve more attention.
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>>1270043
garbon rims dont have a lot of lateral flex. sending your rim to snap city on a world cup dh run will cost you the race. snapping one at Rampage could cost you your life.
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>>1272919
That's just like BikesDirect bikes here in the US. Something about cyclist and brand loyalty makes a lot of cyclist insufferably smug
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>>1272919
I can't speak specifically about B'TWIN, but there are dual truths to keep in mind, which are seemingly contradictory, but exist in parallel nonetheless.
>Road bike frames are all basically the same
>Road bike frames can have very different ride quality

These are both true.
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>>1272924
>Something about cyclist and brand loyalty makes a lot of cyclist insufferably smug
Do you reckon that's true here as well? Lots of anons have really nice bikes and don't really act smug about them.

Nice things ARE nice though.
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>>1272929
This duality is so mind fuckingly true
>>1272931
I mean, yes and no. Lots of good modest anons with really nice bikes but at the same time lots of anons unnecessarily shit on shitty bikes too.

I do agree though, nice bikes are nice but whether they're worth their price or not depends on way too many factors.
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>>1269569
Depends a bit on the type of bike. You're not spending 500 USD on a full sus MTB
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>>1272919
>Finally someone recognizes B'TWIN bikes

The future for a significant portion of the market are brands like BTWIN, Diamondback, Raleigh where you can save 1/3rd to 1/2 by buying a bike with no brand pedigree, good build, and 80 percent put together.

I bought a Poseidon which is a direct to consumer brand and it's been great.
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I guess that it is somehow comes from the placebo tthat actually makes the bike feels better when it is just outright expensive for some cases... I mean i usually ride a mtb worth around $1500 and thats already included with some packages or the equipment i want to use right. So probably the bike itself would cost a k or so, but when i ride my friend's $50 bikes it make sno difference at all. I mean sure i got into accident and the bike actually split apart in 2. but nothing else matters
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>>1273195
>dem 90s aesthetics
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>>1273238
>quality of mtb makes no difference in speed
Why are you riding a $1500 MTB if you aren't doing anything remotely technical?
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>>1273244
Nowdays this is Walmart tier
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>>1269537
Why would you want another $1,200 shitbox to insure and never drive because you already have a nicer car?
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>>1273245
You have no clue what you're talking about.
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>>1273245
carbon tubes and alloy lugs
at Walmart ?
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>>1273260
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hyper-26-Carbon-Fiber-Men-s-Mountain-Bike-Black-Green/215471947

carbon fiber maybe
lugs not so much
>>1273250
is right tho
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>>1273261
oh god that pos...
https://youtu.be/m5KX8EVuYs8
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>>1273269
He upgraded it with some SLX parts, 27.5" wheels, and a decent fork and it turned out pretty well. So that makes me wonder if the frame by itself is available anywhere for cheap, because that would be a low-key way to make a mtb you can thrash without reservations.
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>>1269537
Makes decent point about bikes, post the only type of bike on which this point doesn't work
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>>1272921
At the EWS there's probably a 50/50 between carbon and Alu. At xco it's all carbon. Only place where aluminium is clearly the superior material is in DH
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>>1269879
Shimano makes everything from the worst to the best, so what's your point?
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>>1273261
>Hyper
that's the same company that sponsors Scotty Cranmer and Bas van Steenbergen though.
kinda like how Mongoose has Chris Akrigg alongside BSO-tier Walbikes in their line up.

look at this bmx frame. LOOK AT IT.
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>>1273527
please tell me that's real maziora and not just temper colored
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>>1273244

I wish the would have separated the MTB disciple... make a clear split between modern Redbull jump drop bing bong downhill and just fucking riding a bike in the woods with some dirt and small obstacles

The extreme macho thing is cool but I am a fire road climber. They use it as a slur but I'm a roadie and know one person with major facial scars and one who lost hearing from MTB crash. I don't want to jump. I want a no-jumper club
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>>1273554
I feel you. MTBing gets scary really quick once you get into it. My favourite by far is backcountry XC with nice scenery, relatively chill.

I honestly just don't even like DH riding lol.
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>>1273554
that's adventure/g-road/xc/trail you're talking about imo
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>>1273269
>>1273261

I'm HORRIFIED by his bike and now watching a review of a $59 BSO ---- state of teh cycling industry today....... no no no
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>>1269569
Tell that to this guy: https://www.sinembargo.mx/21-03-2018/3399568
The steel frame bike he used to get 2nd place in the sky challenge costs no more that 100 usd around here.
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>>1273589
quintana is not looking so great these days
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>>1273590
Yes, the little brown one won the second place on one of the hardest bike challenges on Mexico, with a cheap mercurio steel bike with no suspension.
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>>1273591
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>>1273591
>one of the hardest bike challenges on Mexico
Ride for a few hours without getting run over or killed by the cartel?
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>>1273353
What makes carbon the Superior material for DH? Most of my buds ride alloy because its cheaper and you can weld the frame back together, but most of us would ride carbon if we could.
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>>1273707
Where did I say that carbon was superior for DH?
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>>1269537

For road and touring bikes, I agree with OP. For suspension mountain bikes, it will go a bit higher. And it is worth it to have a recent mountain bike because that technology has made huge changes in the last few years.

A Giant trance 3 is typically what I would recommend as the minimum bike for serious mountain biking, and that costs $2000. But if you are willing to ride more slowly or on easier trails, a Rocky Mountain Soul has most of the "real MTB features" for about $750.

I wouldn't go out on technical trails with anything less than that. Of course, if your idea of "mountain biking" involves gravel roads and trails with no jumps or drops, you will be just fine on whatever piece of shit you bought at walmart.
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>>1269802
those mail order brands were the equivalent of bikesdirect. they made their money by putting brand name parts on shit tier frames.
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>>1269980
I'm also anti carbon but your logic is incorrect.
Lightweight aluminum road bikes have a similar weight to what carbon bikes have. The reason to go carbon over aluminum is that they have better ride quality because of vibration absorption and stricter control over how stiff each part of the frame is.
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>>1273732
Bikesdirect doesn't have shit tier frames. They have older models of Kinesis loaded with budget parts or older models of kit, like the Ritchey anatomic bars. The Bikesdirect model is source all the cheap old model parts with tooling paid off, then put a new groupset with it.
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>>1269537
>for that price I'd rather get a nicr used car
Why? Do you not have a car? Those bicycles are priced for people who can afford and already have new cars
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>>1273734
>Bikesdirect doesn't have shit tier frames
Patently false. Every Bikesdirect bike I've ever worked on has been poorly welded, out of alignment, unnecessarily heavy, and rode like dogshit.

>They have older models of (garbage chinkshit) loaded with budget parts
ah, adding shit to shit definitely makes the shit less shitty. thanks for clearing that one up

>The Bikesdirect model is source all the cheap old (shit), then put a new groupset with it
this is literally what I said, just rephrased

also, "paying off the tooling" is fucking nonsense. steel and aluminum frames are made on the same machinery year after year. it's not like they are using the fucking carbon molds that specialized throws out in the dumpster every 2 years
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>>1273682
>Ride for a few hours without getting run over or >killed by the cartel?
sadly that is true.
But no, just a sports race on a long steep uphill on a cheap 90s mtb, bicycle salesman hate him.
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This thread needs to be deleted. There are so many blatant falsehoods.
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>>1273743
How low is your IQ?
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>>1273761
>lol u dum
Sure told him
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>>1273589
>lil' chapo riding his 90s mtb w/knobbies up the mountain to work one day
>suddenly he's standing on a podium because he almost won a race he didn't even know he was in
>next day gets beaten by his boss at the banana farm for no-showing the day before
it aint easy bein' lil' chapo
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>>1269678
old steel mountain bikes are tougher than modern mountain bikes you faggot
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>>1273589
>>1273590
holy shit that is inspiring as fuck
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>>1269569
1500 is a nice bike you build yourself with chink carbon.

Why couldn't bike building be more like building computers?
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>>1274285
Acceptable Chinese carbon, good Taiwanese aluminum, and decent American steel are about the same price point as far as I can tell, at least within a few $100 of each other. A $1500 bike can be a lot of things, but if you aren’t dumb with your shopping most of the time it will be good.
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>>1273590
his bike is discontinued but I found the nearest thing
http://www.bicicletasmercurio.com.mx/producto/bicicleta-de-montana-radar-r26/
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>>1274287
Let me correct myself, decent "American" steel is still made in Taiwan.
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>>1269537
>Let's get real, anything over $1,200 is just outright outlandishly overpriced.

>mfw I'll end up spending at LEAST that much on just components building up the Cervelo S5 frameset hanging up in the garage right now
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>>1274330
up till the point that for the same cost you could destroy three ordinary steel frames or make one steel frame thicc enough to survive
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>>1274345
I thought steel was a robust frame material, now here you are saying it breaks all the time. What gives
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>>1273589

BASED
FUCK CARBON
FUCK FREDS
FUCK SUSPENSION
FUCK CLEAN BIKES
FUCK YOU
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Don Maximiliano goes viral for being in second place in Mexico's toughest race, on a 'baker' bike
The Sky Challenge Bike is one of the most difficult mountain biking races in Mexico, having an ascending height of 2100 meters that has to be covered in 30 kilometers

The mountain bike race, Sky Challenge Bike, which takes place in Ciudad Serdán, Puebla, has earned the reputation as one of the most difficult in Mexico , having to pedal more than 30 kilometers with a positive ancestry of little more than 2100 meters.

Many of the competitors are professional cyclists or use very light bicycles to support the inclined road that starts in the socket of Chalchicomula de Sesma and ends at the Great Millimeter Telescope (GTM), Alfonso Serrano, of the National Institute of Optimum, Astrophysics and Electronics (INAOE).

On March 18, the 2018 edition was held and a unique cyclist named Maximiliano Contreras Alcántara, native of the event's headquarters, won the second place in the Masters 40 category despite all the predictions.


This is because before the race, many of the competitors saw him dressed in sports clothes, as if he were going out to run to the park , only with his helmet well adjusted. In addition to holding a steel bicycle, which has several decades of its manufacture , and which does not have the features offered by the current ones, such as those used by many of its rivals, made of aluminum or coal, which significantly reduces the weight of machine.

However, Don Maximiliano focused on his career and as soon as they gave the starting signal, he started pedaling at a height of 2 thousand 500 meters above sea level and did not stop until he saw the goal announcement, more than 30 kilometers later. , and at a height of 4 thousand 600 meters, where are the doors of the Telescope. That was when he accepted a drink to cool off.
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>>1274430

Before the surprise of all those present, Don Maximiliano heard his name to go to receive his diploma as second place in his category, also was accompanied by his faithful companion, so that those present realized that many times it is the cyclist who wins the races.

"I am happy with the second place, if they appreciate the sport, that they practice it and if not, then everyone likes what they do", said Don Maximiano at the end of the race.
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>>1274354
Different anon here, it's more about design than frame material and it's a design of compromise. You make thin light tubes that aren't as durable or thick heavy tubes that last a lifetime. You can't have both, even with carbon or aluminum, that choice has to be made. There are heavier aluminum bikes than steel bikes and even heavier carbon bikes than aluminum all depending on tube thickness and frame design.
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>>1274433
Yeah I know, I just enjoy poking fun at people whose opinions are so far up their ass that they can't fathom why anything but steel frames exist. A decent steel road bike is on my list to eventually get, but right now I am young and dumb so all I care about is racing on aluminium and carbon.
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>>1274144
this is the most vague, subjective statement i've ever read, you delusional asshole.
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>>1274430
>canter-lever posts
>rear cable hanger
>hex head quill - stem integral cable hanger
>alloy side pull calipers
>modern pads
>1.75 shallow section rims
>2.1 tires
>front axle too long
>scalloped fork ends
>friction shifter wing nut
>26 tooth chain ring
>oversized seat post bolt
that's no ordinary bike
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>>1274688
Even impoverished farmers know the cantilevers suck for everything
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dear Trust Fund and Dentist cyclists:

Thank you for the never ending supply of cool used bikes on my local craigslist market.
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the amount of fun or utility a bike will have isn't predictible from it's price

as someone who has owned n+2 bikes for longer than I can remember, some bikes are just winners and some are closet-queen oh-what-was-I-thinking bikes

i rode a bike with steel cottered cranks across the county, and I have a carbon trail bike that's never gone more than 30 miles from my home

an old ten speed from England has got me laid many times, which is more than the sexy welds on my Vamoots has done
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>>1273532
It's not paint, it's a light diffraction effect.

It's titanium that's deposited onto steel through "physical vapor deposition", then anodized.

It goes by a couple of names, oil slick, rainbow, jet fuel, etc.
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>>1274328
Truly a champion's bike
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>>1274430
That is clearly not a "panadera", but an 80s or early 90s mercurio mountain bike
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>>1274710
based and sheldonpilled
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>>1275178
technically correct. the panadero was a rod-brake roadster similar to what you'll see across much of the third world. but the mercurio mtb has supplanted it in everyday use, even among actual bakers, because it's easier to work on and has better parts availability.
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>>1269537
one of you mother fuckers came into my bike shop yesterday with this generic abomination.
the "high end shimano groupset" was fucking counterfeit and the suspension fork was already bent from regular riding.
I could flex the carbon frame and bars with my bare hands.
not to mention the shitty reardrive ebike motor was already burnt up, you could smell it when it came in the shop.
fuck chinese bullshit and fuck you cheap ass motherfuckers. buy a real fucking bike
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>>1275592
kek what was wrong with it? looks more like a cheap hybrid bike
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>>1274430
Thanks for the read man, truly inspiring story.
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>>1275690
he ripped the hydro lines out of the brake levers trying to install a stem extender



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