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Daily reminder building railroads to all villages that have under 500 inhabitants is in fact not unrealistic. The French had such lines in the middle of the mountains in the early 20th century.

Daily reminder cagers started ruining everything starting in the 1920's when Fascists, and later, Nazis, built highways because le epin Keynesianism mandated that tons of asphalt be layered everywhere to create jobs.
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>>1261443
Roads =/=> Cagers
Cagers <=/=> Bus
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>>1261443
>blah blah blah CAGERS blah blah blah
You guys are really tiresome insufferable little cunts, do you realize that? Fucking grow up already.
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>>1261474
Imagine getting this triggered over a nickname
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>>1261491
These are the same “people” who get “road rage” so it shouldn’t surprise you
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>>1261504
Just because they suffer from mental illness does not make them lesser people, they need our help and support
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>>1261474
t. cager mad that he's being called out on being dangerous and destroying the environment because muh freedoms
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>>1261520
They also need to stay the fuck away from heavy machinery
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>>1261464
Motorways were definitely built to cater to cager needs, and are on of the reason cages became so ubiquitous
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>>1261443
>Fascists, and later, Nazis
Same thing, really
Remember that back in that time, railroads were basically the only means of transporting goods and people over long distances efficiently. A village would get a railway connection instead of an asphalt road because cars simply weren't as widespread yet.
But on such remote routes, even if you did have a train station, a train would only come around 2 or 3 times a week. Once a day at best. That's not preferable to having a bus line that at least comes along once or twice an hour in the modern day.
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>>1261731
>commuting to work in a full size truck as a single occupant
>smelly poorfags stuck on the bus crying about muh environment
feels good man
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Kys my man
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>>1262213
>be cager
>get stuck in traffic
>literally can't leave by any means
>still pay taxes for public transit
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>>1262094
>a train would only come around 2 or 3 times a week. Once a day at best.
That might be true for American Far West towns, but not so much for Europe. The train running from Boussens to St. Girons, Ariège, had 4 trains a day in 1890, and 3-4 in 1923. For the comparatively much smaller line (in terms of inhabitants in the towns), that linked St Girons to the small town of Castillon and the small village of Seintein, there were up to 8 trams a day in 1934 (not long after the 1929 crisis, mind you).

Populations in 1931 (census date):
St. Girons: ~6 000
Castillon-en-Couserans: 610
Sentein: 1 097
Oust: 560

Nowadays, there's buses, but AFAIK there's only two a day.
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>>1262339
yep and I get to keep the temperature how I like it, drink my coffee, in a comfy private cab, while your face gets stuffed into some homeless mans armpit
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>>1262350
>implying you're not just raging because you're wasting gas and worrying about Mr. Goldstein firing you for getting late
>implying I'm not just enjoying smalltalk with my friends on my way to some leisure activity because I'm not a social outcast
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>>1262350
Imagine drinking coffee in such packed bus.
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>>1262353
back to /pol with you, Anglinbot.
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>>1262213
only """people""" who drive SUVs are either obese retards trying to be alpha, dumb bimbo women, or baby boomers
Yeah I'd much rather sit on a bus while I can read, do emails, or even post on /n/
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>>1262350
the virgin cager
>can't phonepost
>can't watch videos
>can't read
>can only listen to radio or music
>can't dunk donut in coffee bc only one free hand
>sits in traffic going on average 10 mph but has to focus on the road, causing fatigue and stress without even being productive
>has to find parking space
>thinks he is free to move around but can only move freely on off hours bc traffic, can spend hours stuck in this "freedom"
>thinks his car is comfy but is actually breathing in all the exhaust from the other cars around him
>doesn't get exercise on the way, becomes a lardass or has to waste time at a gym
>can't go have beers w/ colleagues after work bc has to drive
>spends 5-10 times as much money on transportation as transitfags
>has to post shitty 3rd world meme pic to COPE

the chad trainfag
>phoneposting during the whole train ride
>or watching videos
>or reading
>or having coffee and donuts and dunking like the chad that he is
>doesn't need parking space
>always takes the same time to go places, dgaf about rush hours
>every journey means walking to and from stations, gets a bit of exercise each day
>maybe has a few drinks later
>saves money which he spends on lube to fuck stacy
>can post actual pic of daily ride, no need to cope
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>>1262406
Based. Look at this one chad bus cucking the SHIT out of cagers.
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>>1262414
This photo is so comfy... I wish Moscow would be still like this.
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>>1262344
Ok 4 trains a day vs. 2 busses a day is a huge step back of course.
Did the population decrease or stagnate completely in the area?

My hometown used to have its very own local railway back in the day. I thought we really lost a valuable asset by dismantling it sometime in the 60s or 70s. But those trains really had nothing on today's bus services. They moved at a snail's pace and mostly served a potassium mine and a secret ammunition facility during WWII.

My point is, complaining about lost railwaxys only makes sense if they didn't get replaced by something better. Our current busses are pretty shitty all in all, but they are a huge step up over the local railway.
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>>1261443
>>1262344
Interesting, can you explain this system further? Sounds like a great form of public service to rural areas. Who built them? Were these lines privately owned or were they operated by local/provincial/national authorities? Where did they get their electricity, hydropower? Can you elaborate on how/why they died? Thank you!
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>>1262463
France had a very extensive secondary rail network with metre gauge lines. Many of them were built and operated by the CFD (Compagnie de chemins de fer départementaux), others were independently organised as "tramways" or "chemins de fer économiques". Their lines reached pretty much all the places that were too small or too difficult to build a normal railway line to. Many networks reached impressive lenths of over 500km, though service was always pretty low. Most of these lines were closed either in the interwar period or past WWII, but some survived till today, like the network in Corsica or the line from Nice to Digne-les-Bains.

In Germany the term for these railways was "Kleinbahn" or "Kreisbahn", usually metre gauge or standard gauge lines that were built and operated by local investors and municipalities to reach smaller cities and factories. In Austria and Switzerland these lines were mostly electrified, many of them are still in service.
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>>1262460
The population of the villages that have been mentioned has been divided by two or three between the 1930's and the 1990's, when it got to its lowest. As of lately, it mostly stagnates.
I agree that, when there's nothing, buses are better, but dismantling existing rail infrastructure and then adding buses is certainly worse. Especially when the bus service is so shitty. Electric trams back in the day moved so slow because they didn't have the technology to get a nice 80 km/h (or even 100 km/h) cruising speed they could use nowadays. Now everyone has to use a car or perish. I'm confident a large part of the demise of the area, aside from the loss of rural jobs due to industrialisation, was the fact that the infrastructure worsened so much. Not only rural trams closed, but small retail stores as well. To live as comfortably as in a city, you need to drive at least 50 or 70 km a week, and that's assuming you plan your purchases very well and don't have emergencies. If you have to commute with your car, make it 200 km. And when the rural exodus happened, cars were very expensive, an upper middle class item that you certainly couldn't afford with a blue collar wage.

>>1262463
I can only speak for France, but basically, departments (administrative levels below the region) had the authority to declare that a train line was of local interest, and then it was built and exploited by a particular company. In the case of OP, it was the Society of Electric Trams of Ariège that built it in 1907, extended in 1911, and with further branches planned, but never built, for nearby valleys. The Great War thwarted those plans, and in the 1930's, owing to the economic crisis, the apparition of cars and buses, and the accelerating depletion of rural areas, they closed down.
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>>1262648
Legend for pic related because I had reached the 2000 characters limit:
Black lines: general interest (i.e., national) railways. Full = exploited, dashed = conceded (planned), dashed-dotted = in construction
Red lines: tramways, local interest railways. Full = conceded (built and running), dashed = planned (these never saw the light).
The symbols, from top to bottom, mean:
"Stations"
"Halts"
"Optional stops"
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>>1262645
What kind of rolling stock is this?
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>>1262924
AMG 800, built by CFD Bagnères (ex Soulé) starting 2009
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The Karlsruhe model of tram-trains could fill this role
A large regional town, like Karslruhe, would have a tram network on its streets - this gets connected to the mainline railway on which regional and interurban trains operate on and uses the railways to go to other surrounding towns providing much more frequent services than waiting for the intercity trains to make a stop
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>>1261443
Shut up faggot.
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>>1262955
Building a mainline main line is not exactly building more branches and spurs to every town and village.
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>>1262955
Karlsruhe's interurbans are working too well at this point. They built an inner-city tram tunnel in recent years. Not to make room for cars on the surface, but to spread trams out evenly on both the tunnel and the surface street. The demand is enormous.
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>>1262955
Karlsruhe is several orders of magnitude above a small town in terms of population though. For smaller places, I don't think building 1 435 mm tracks in the middle of the town is a great idea.
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>>1263314
But it IS great for all the villages and small towns around Karlsruhe
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>>1262379
*Whew*
Sure glad I drive a truck and not an SUV then
when you drive you can get to where you are going sometimes as much as hours before you would on the bus. that saves plenty of time to read in a park or or comfy chair at home like a human, and not be surrounded by rapists and druggies on your commute.

also get to work on time and not be constantly late because you missed the bus or the bus was late because some schitzo had a breakdown and had to be removed by police.
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>>1264167
>and not be surrounded by rapists and druggies on your commute.
Stop living in the shithole.
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>>1264167
>also get to work on time
Imagine not only living for your work instead of working for your life, but also believing this
Probably underage b& who doesn't even have his driving license desu
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>>1264200
just imagine how much it would suck to be stuck in one of those buses on the left. All those people too stupid and lazy to get their own car
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>>1261736
Roads were built for cyclists
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idk sounds pretty comfy desu
>t cagie who wishes trains went everywhere
I just want a vintage trolley rolling by my house
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>>1264200
Imagine how much more on time we could all be if those people were forced into busses
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>>1264344
Imagine how much worse the traffic would be for everyone in their own car if nobody was stuck in one of those buses.
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>>1264533
>if those people were forced into busses
>forced into busses
>forced
Good idea you got there Chairman Mao
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>>1261491
imagine people so unwilling to join the rest of the first world in the best transportation technology
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Merry Christmas!
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>>1261474
>I've been fond out!
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It would be cool to re-introduce rails but make them general-use and only mandate that any vehicle using the rails has to be compatible with a rail software protocol so all vehicles on a rail can be monitored and controlled.
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>>1264600
That guy is too white and too thin.
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>>1262945
Thanks
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>>1268893
As if I needed a reason to hate our recent /pol/ transplant anymore, he’s also dumb leaf phone poster.
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>>1268905

Kill yourself tranny
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>>1262339
>mfw I live 15 mintues away from my job and I'm always going in the opposite direction of rush hour traffic
No traffic jams for me. Just a nice comfortable, climate controlled ride to work : )
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Bump
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>>1269112
>he doesn't work from home 5 days a week
>he commutes!

The only traffic jam is the cats on the stairs as I climb them to my home office.
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>>1264924
Yeah, I know, right ? It's unbeliavable that I live in the same atmosphere as fucking cagers in this very millenium :^)
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>>1274150
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>>1274154
Oh no, I definitely did not expect someone to post the mostly streetcar system with only two heavy rail lines that is massively undersized to serve the second largest metropolis in the US and never grows due to NIMBYing cagers!
LA Metro is pathetic, try again.
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>>1269112
enjoy your slow gassing.
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>>1261443
>Fascists, and later, Nazis, built highways
wtf I hate /pol/ now.
>>1262406
I literally learned a second language using the free time that public transit provided me. Meanwhile cagefags spend $15 a day on parking cost, $5/day on gas, easily $150 a month on (((insurance))) and $300-600 on a car note, plus several thousand dollars a year in maintenance.
Public transit costs $5 a day, and that's it, and my new company will give me a pass for free, making my cost of commuting $0.
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>>1261520
in all honesty it definitely is a mental illness tbhq
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What about small-gauge regional Maglev?
>Higher acceleration, lets you do more stops while still keeping a decent travel speed?
>Can take bigger slopes
>No other infrastructure to worry about, lets you make it autonomous
>Lower running costs in general as it needs less mainetance
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>>1274959
>wtf I hate /pol/ now.
We all wake up at some point.
>>1274970
The track is very expensive to build, the biggest advantage of high speed at higher energy efficiency doesn't come into play, and there has to be a central control terminal somewhere.

Add to all this that maglev isn't as tried and trusted a technology as conventional railways, at least outside of East Asia.
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>>1261443
Quick question, whatever happened to mix used trains? I know it's still a thing in Mauritania, which seems to be the only good thing about the place. Theoretically, if something made in a city needs to get to a small town, and you also have people going from the factory back to said town, why can't one train load both of them? We used to do this, it only stopped in NA in 1979, and in Europe until the 1990s.
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>>1275355
Because freight usually goes from a different place to a different place than people, all at different times than people do. The only sensible thing here would be to (re-)introduce single passenger carriages to otherwise fully freight trains, and offer dedicated passenger service whenever there is no freight train coming.

But even that would be problematic because freight trains can be hundreds of meters long and may take up several signaling blocks at once. This also causes problems with stopping and starting at several small town stations. That's something you really want to avoid with passenger rail.
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Railroads already go to communities with ~100ish residents because those are the places where power plants, factories, cement plants, quarries and farms can be found.
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>>1275355
Because freight goes at 50-70 km/h, while passengers expect their trains to go at at least 180 km/h, if not 250+ km/h in Europe
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>>1274154
>city the size of Paris and London
>subway network substantially smaller than Barcelona's
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>>1275328
IMO the fact that the track is expensive to build is a good reason to do it. Take some of that YUGE military budget and pay it towards upgrading our infrastructure. Take some of those homeless vets and put them to work laying track. You put money into our economy, give jobs to people who need it, stop fucking up the middle east causing a mass exodus into Europe, stop getting soldiers killed in some sandy shit hole for the first time in 40 years, AND upgrade the infrastructure. Sorry, I got too /pol/ there, but you get the point.
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>>1275574
We're talking about regional railways and interurbans here. HSR isn't really the way to connect small villages to each other.
I'm European and the fastest train I take regularly never goes faster than 160 km/h.
>>1275576
Keep in mind most of the LA "metro" is light rail and fucking BRT. There are only two rapid transit lines on that map.
>>1275580
But I agree though. Using the same tracks for freight and passenger trains can make sense when the demand is rather low. Certainly better than using the same trains for both.
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>>1275355
Apart from the speed issue, freight trains run rather irregularily, which is poison for any passenger service. It only works in underdeveloped places lacking any convenient transportation, and a train running once every so often at varying times is the best you've got.
It could be a thing with those very long distance freight trains (something like Europe to China), assuming they run at least every week on the same day. And even then it would only make sense if you could offer dirt cheap travel, like a service for very poor people that still need to travel long distances. Which is not likely to be a significant market, and the service would have to be totally bare bones to make any economic sense. And even then it's very doubtful that the railroad operator would be interested in the hassle of this, over the very low income that it would bring.
In Mauritania iirc the railroad is state owned and operated, so passenger operations are a sort of social service that doesn't make profit.

It's no doubt an interesting concept, but it just doesn't make sense in most places. I think Mexican national railways operated mixed trains until the end of passenger operations around 1998, at least in the 80s they were still somewhat common.
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>>1275576
>>1275663
A city doesn't need a subway because it's large, but because it's dense. A sprawled out city like LA ought to work with LRT and commuter-type heavy rail. A subway is barely faster than a well-planned LRT, its main advantage is about 2-4 times as much capacity, which you don't need if there's not enough density.
That's why the Pacific Electric was perfectly suited to LA, while New York could never do without its subway.
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>>1275687
Why is LA a caging hellscape with 24 lane highways then, not a beautiful city with 180 different lines of streetcars? What is the purpose of this pathetic 'metro' at all?
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>>1275328
Well, the tracks are expensive because most maglev concept thus far are geared towards higher speeds. If you drop the speed to 150 or 160 km/h, it will likely be at or below the cost of regular overhead wires
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>>1278322
based
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>>1278322
ketaminepilled
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>>1261443
It's not realistic if you don't mind low standard and low speed
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>>1264924
America is not rest of first world.
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>>1264516
same
i am a cagie by convenience, and if it was easier and faster to get to places by rail (preferably) or bus, i would not think twice.
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>>1261443
>Daily reminder building railroads to all villages that have under 500 inhabitants is in fact not unrealistic
Not unrealistic, but not economically viable either
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>>1282768
Uhm sweaty
>>1282792
>not economically viable
Capitalism has to end
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>>1282809
Capitalism will never end.
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>>1282813
Thanks you just ruined my day ;_;
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>>1282832
Sorry fren but its (probably) the truth. People will always act in their self interest, its the same reason why we wont make any real progress on climate change until its economical to do so.
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>>1282832
Capitalism is a sentient creature at this point. We are not long for this universe, you must ride Bicycle while there is still time
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itsthe,howandwhere of whoandwhen,,,or justwhy.,
,,,selfevedent.
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>>1282835
>>1282832
>>1282813
>when you realize the Great Filter wasn't nuclear weapons or a plague, but people selling shit
comfy in its own way.
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>>1285863
Capitalism isn't just people selling shit though. Its main problems are private property, wage labor, and adverse effects of the market.
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>>1285411
I'm never quite sure whether you're wise beyond words or schizophrenic or both.
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>>1286269
Wise beyond words.
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>>1261474
Why do you fucking normalniggers even have to come here? To /n/ of all places? Just go die in a head on collision, please.
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>>1292375
I can guarantee you that poster is a cracker
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>I made this thread nearly 100 days ago
damn
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>>1297153
That's the magic of /n/, fren
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