So, he was basically already doing the "anti-PC is the new counter culture" thing decades ago?
>>90073164wow guess he was wway off what a loser
>>90073164counter culture was always anti-pc, it's just that what is or isn't pc changes with timesage for politics
>>90073164nocounter is simply counteranti-pc is just a hoax you were sold so racists could keep being racistpc is a language for institutional press releases and has nothing to do with anything elseyour whole fucking world is bogey men meant to mis-direct your energy from discerning the real problems and solutions:
He was there for the beginning of the UK punk scene. He'd know as well as anyone how full of boring faggots punk scenes are. Even the ones that are idealized had their own equivalent of SJWs.
>>90073238It's always the most clueless zoomers structuring their posts like they're dropping a bunch of truth bombs
>>90073164UK punk was anti PC that was exactly the point of the whole movement and why it was a cultural revolution in the late 70s
>>90073317shit, I forgot to add*drops mic*
>>90073164He was anti-everything. The man was a legitimately a completely sociopathic nihilist. Just read some interviews with him, he literally could not help but take the piss out of everyone around him, no matter what. I kind of like him for that, he was a very damaged dude but i wonder if he saw that the only honest way to exist in an insane and absurd universe was by being an insane and absurd person. It never had anything to do with "PC" or "anti-PC," he was one of the most deranged people to ever gain a public platform. https://thequietus.com/articles/09277-mark-e-smith-nick-cave-shane-macgowan-nme-interviewJust read this. He literally starts digging in on everyone for no fucking reason. Any time anyone tries to pin him down he turns around and rips them a new one for even attempting it. Communists are idiots. Nazis are idiots. He sees only stupidity, and when asked for his solution? You get pic related
>>90073164nop really. check his interviews to get the whole context. mes was by far smarter than the pc/anti pc dichotomy you are talking about without being a liberal college art guy but neither an "anti-pc" guy
>>90073930oh my god so much reddit joker energy really lowered my esteem of him
>>90073930>the quietuslol cant wait to read these drunks trying to communicate
He said the only good American punk band he saw was Mission of Burma so he’s ok in my book
>>90073930>He was anti-everything.not exactly, check their interviews but he didn't use to fall into cliches like pc/anti-pc that are in vogue in these days
A man with a brain in a world full of fuckwits will always be out of step.
"Whenever Big Black plays somewhere, it's always the same handful of people in every town, all dressed the same way. When we play, it's a huge crowd of all different ages and backgrounds. Big Black are doing what the Fall were doing in 1982-83...we're five years ahead of them. And the rock critics, bless them, I'm no ageist or anything, but some of these guys are like 45. They're still talking about John Lennon. When I was 19, I couldn't have cared less about that stuff."
he was just being himself
>>90074392chicks love that
>He remembers bumping into Kurt Cobain and his wife Courtney Love, in Los Angeles. He wanted The Fall to support his band, the legendary Nirvana, on their tour of Europe. Mark E Smith, The Fall’s lead singer, had other ideas.>“Mark told our tour manager at the time not to let them on the bus under any circumstances whatsoever as he thought the guy was a loser,” he said.>(kurt cobain) wears crap clothes, has too much money, he's married to that actress Courtney Pine">A lot of bands are into you, Big Black...>Mark e smith: Oh, I know. Big Black are (muffled). You get a lot of resentment from these independent shits because they're still trying to be like the Fall in '82, '83. They're fucking light years behind. You don't see that the Fall has always been like that, always been ignoring what the trends were. I see Big Black as another fucking trend. They go around the world and play to 400 people in every city and they're all dressed the same. And all act the same. Why do world tours? Why not stay at home? The Fall audiences are interesting. They're good people. All age ranges, all races, all creeds. I enjoy coming to America with Brix to visit relations. This has been great so far. I've done American tours and been lucky to come out alive. You come out with nothing and nobody appreciates you. We've not ever been in Rolling Stone. We've not had any coverage there whatsoever, But they pour pages on these American and English bands that slavishly imitate us. And actually quote verbatim from my interviews, the ideas. You meet some of these American rock journalists -I'm not age-ist, you know-but some of 'em are fuckin' 45. And they still talk about Lennon and things like this. When I was 19 that was irrelevant to me.
>>90073977had good comments about flipper too i guess>>90074265he's right, he's talking about men only not women or chidrens.
>>90073963Omg how will MES recover now?
>>90075096you can't recover from being dead
>>90073930This t b h. If he were alive for a few more years, he'd be rooting for brown people to outnumber hicks liks Boris and Farage.
>>90075236How do you infer this from that post?
>>90075236You are the hick, now.
>>90074265yesyes we are
>>90075283Why not? He'd be laughing at the parody which is the modern neo-reactionary movement. He'd have a thing or two to say about the straight pride flag. >>90075285I dont find mayonnaise to be particularly spicy.
>>90075376he was always critic about liberals but also their opposite pole
>>90075376Spoken like a yokel from the backwoods of ideas.
>>90075518yeah, your fucking hometown>>90075376what straight pride flag?
ugly people who are hyper self-aware are always like this. you have to understand he wasn't so displeased with the world as he was displeased with his reflection in the mirror every time he saw it. that'll put you in a sour disposition an ready to spit venom lickety split. and i hate to say it but his fans are exactly the same minus the self-awareness
>>90075612It matters not where one starts, or where they end. The mind is the only locale.
i won't get new fall records anymore :(
>>90075668lole sounds like something someone stuck out in the middle of buttrock nowhere would say
>>90075630>ugly people who are hyper self-aware are always like this. you have to understand he wasn't so displeased with the world as he was displeased with his reflection in the mirror every time he saw it. that'll put you in a sour disposition an ready to spit venom lickety split.you were inside his brain dont you cunt?
>>90075764you could be too if you had the capacity
>>90075749The real world, we call it.
>>90075904>The real worldlmao well for you anyway
to all the trannies and grannies: STOP MITHERING
>>90075980MES's ghost here: Trans rights are human rights. Also, Morrissey's a loser.
>>90075904are you that dude that tried to foist the spiritual / religious nature of the vast middle of America?
>>90076050No, just a fall guy
>>90075612>what straight pride flag?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdN1JC7eJxE
>>90073238>Press releasesThis makes sense why culture would be pushing this in an era of ad revenueWOKE AF
>>90075376>He'd have a thing or two to say about the straight pride flag.mes isn't necessarily an anti but that's more like your opinion pal
>>90073317>not gonna address any of your arguments, just gonna bitch about how you postracey stacy btfo
>>90076348We should organize a pro-littering drive just to show these SJWs who's boss.
>>90075980>to all the trannies and grannies: STOP MITHERING>>90075995>MES's ghost here: Trans rights are human rights.cunts talking
>>90076432MES was a proud cunt
>>90076405Paul Joseph Watson tweeted about leaving his tap on all day to dab on environmentalists or something, so I wouldn't put it past some people. I think the left has backed off being actively against littering as they've become more against law enforcement though, and since the most littered neighborhoods seem to be "communities of color" cracking down on it is extra out of the question, not that there's probably much likelihood of catching someone in the act of littering to begin with though.
When was the left against littering? It's awfully unmusical of them.
>>90076588are you the guy advocating for more brony posting?
>>90073930Not true, he said he liked Scottish people and cats.
>>90076625I think ponies should be allowed if it doesn't get out of hand.
>>90074948Where did he compliment Flipper? Sauce?
>>90076797lol your the only one bringing stupid shit up.I wasn't trolling at all.get some perspective.>>90076757I hope you get trampled. jesus you name fags are really fucking assholes.
>>90076588>and since the most littered neighborhoods seem to be "communities of color"You mean to say areas with underfunded public utilities lack the spiffy clean up services privileged neighbourhoods have? Somebody call the news.
When a true genius comes to this world you will know him by this sign: that the dunces are in confederacy against him
>>90076874Okie dokie artichokie>>90076910Oh, I see. White people just need to give more money to black people and then they'll stop throwing liquor bottles all over the place.
>>90073238this is the most based thing I've ever seen you say
>>90076993>White people just need to give more money to black people and then they'll stop throwing liquor bottles all over the place.Maybe that's just what the people in charge want you to believe. They'll toss you a penny and warn you that a black man's coming to take it from you so that a class struggle gets turned into a race one.
Based retard, that's the only way you can pin point this man. Shat on art school hipster bands all his life but in reality it was his band that was the ultimate art school darling - So much self awareness. Hex Enduction Hour is still 10/10 record.
>>90077038Honestly I have more hate for Indian and Pakistani men coming here than Blacks.
>>90077058>enductionWhat did he mean by that?
>>90077058>y it was his band that was the ultimate art school darlingi don't think so. he didn't have the art school liberal college mentality of people like pixies, sonic youth or pavement
>>90077038Blacks on average are net takers from the government and whites on average are net contributors. The people in charge are consistently against racial struggle and class struggle, both of which are legitimate, though it is against our genetic interests to allow the benefits of a restructuring of the economic system to benefit races other than our own (whatever race you are). I would prefer a racially homogeneous state with a mixed economy and private property that would not tolerate the current level of wealth/earnings of the wealthiest. Anyway, you implied that colored neighborhoods are more littered due to a lack of funds. Unless you mean to increase taxes on the local level, how would it not be a flow of wealth largely from whites to blacks?
>>90077104never open your retarded mouth again
>>90077114I warned you about genetics bro!
>>90077015take my handlets be based together
>>90077081I'd say in spirit he had a form of it. The rampant attack on menial shit screams as the forefather to gen x 'nihilism': The other side of the coin to the art wankery of 90's indie. Even then, let's pretend he was devoid of posturing - It doesn't change the fact that the fans of let's say the fall and pavement (lol) are almost indistinguishable in the sub cultural context. Regardless of how much MES would screech about the fall being for regular blokes.
>>90077161>The rampant attack on menial shit screams as the forefather to gen x 'nihilism'the fall was never about nihilism. mes was smart enough to not reproduce the gen x "antiestablishment" dead end street which is basically themodern version of the hippism failed "antiestablishment". the only legacy of both were at best fashion aesthetics. no idealism in the fall>art wankery of 90's indie.the fall was all about an exploration of rhythm without losing the sense of repetition and melody, adventurous but simple at the same time.
>>90075630MES was only ugly as he got older. You middle class cunts might think fit men look like henry caville but most other cunts prefer a dude who doesn't look like he's got a guy fawkes mask melted on his face. The state of mu, honestly.
>>90077561>MES was only ugly as he got older. his old aspect was ok. should be considered his heavy use of speed during almost his whole life also
>>90075995Stevens alright, he's a bit full of himself with the whole militant vegan schtick but otherwise he's just a bit dull. As for trannies, I've many trans friends and I have nothing against trying to stop yourself wanting to die, I don't really care if yer pa called you "Susan", it's not like Iggy Pops his birthname& were alright with him
>>90077161>the fall and pavement (lol) are almost indistinguishable in the sub cultural context.pavement i guess is the archetype of all the indie cliches: careerist safe people and music. meanwhile the fall i think never fell in those cliches and was more about an unpredictable rhythm searching with mes as a conductor with the logical consequence of an approximation to other genres, unthinkable for the most prominent indie rock orthodoxy. so i guess the fall and pavement and the likes are in different context.
>>90076947Only the retarded geniuses go about drawing attention to themselves, so even if you are of an IQ higher than a carrot, I'd double check to see if eating you helps me see in the dark
>>90077081He named his band after a Camus book. For fucks sake why do you all seem to think he's an anti-intellectual
>>90077587Speed did much less to him than the 60 fags a day did
>>90077611>He named his band after a Camus book.>For fucks sake why do you all seem to think he's an anti-intellectualyou can be an intelectual and read a book without having a liberall college art school mentality, right? i don't see an oposition.
>>90077654Excepting that he were exactly that. He chose to put his middle initial in his stage name because it were very "art school" & mysterious, his favourite people were "art school" intellectuals (Camus and Lovecraft), and his favourite bands were "art school" bands (Can and The Stooges). You dislike "art school liberals" so much you've forgotten that pretty much every acclaimed musical act ever is entirely "art school".
>>90077896are you saying approaching culture makes you a liberal? sorry but you're wrong in that point
un-PC left is the way to go
>>90077104You know, you could've just responded with "2+2=5, you can't change my mind:
>>90078043MES go on Chapo
>>90077064Get used to it, sweaty.
>>90073238>pc is a language for institutional press releases and has nothing to do with anything elseBlatant LIE. They use it to maniuplate people by throttling or even “canceling” careers when they don’t toe-the-line politically.That is soft mafia extortion tactics>>90077015>sucking off a namefag defending the status quo of the corrupt and declining WestEmbarrassing. Have some self-respect
>>90078154>declining WestBAHAHAHAHAHAHA. There is no "west", lad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaftqCORT4
>>90078238There definitely is. And it’s easy to tell who the baizuo do not like
>>90078259It's a myth created my colonists to create racial barriers. Tell me, do you consider Mexicans or Peruvians to be part of this "west"?
>>90078238>One contrapoints video is more valid than decades of common usage of referring to Europe and America as "The western world" by literally everyone.I literally just went to a random part of the video and its already saying, "defining yourself as a Euro is le racist because the crusaders wanted to differentiate themselves". Imagine defending such a backwards religion just to score "brownie good white bad" points.
>>90078238this nigger really just linked a contrannypoints video as an argument
>>90078281>do you consider Mexicans or Peruvians to be part of this "west"When they live in the West, of course.
>>90078281Latin America is western in origin but is ultimately distinct from the west similarly to post-Soviet Russia whom are "white"
>>90078281I really don’t understand your point. The elites of the West have vast disagreements with the elites of the East. It’s an ethnic thing perhaps, but not racial. The notion of “racism” was created baizuo in the first place
>>90077654Camus was an anti intellectual
>>90078376>>90078318>>90078284Seems like none of y'all were capable of providing a valid counter-argument. SAD!
>>90073164He was a revolutionary socialist anti-fascist, who fell out with the left over the Falklands war. He also liked to piss off the music press and work on their contradictions. Never a far right figure though /pol/ will of course try to claim.
>>90078847black and white people will never get along tho
>>90078860>conservahicks and non-conservahicks will never get alongFixed that for you.
>>90078877black people hate liberal white gentrifier fags more than they hate some southern hick
>>90078892Look that you speaking for all black people. lmao
>>90078903this is observably true
>>90078931If it agrees with your feelings, champ.
>>90078952it agrees with reality
>>90078986Reality has a liberal bias, I'm afraid.
>>90079008Hating white people is pretty liberal, so yes you are correct
>>90079008demonstrably untrue, reality has a racist bias
>>90077961Are you retarded or can you simply not read?
>>90073164Can tell an American started this threadBeing a left-wing working class northerner doesn't mean being pro-PC or a SJW, it's rooted in union membership and workers' rights. Salford isn't exactly a hippie liberal haven.
>>90073930I fucking hate this hack
>>90078322While Peru, being in the global West, is Western, Mexico is not only Western, but also North American. Africa is also in the global West. It's a nonsense divider created in order to make Europeans feel good for 200 years before China took back it's monopoly of power and wealth (that it has had for all of recorded economic history). "The West" is only ever defined by those 200 years, and not by the other 2 millennia of history it has. "The West" caused the collapse of Rome, "The West" destroyed ancient knowledge (only recovered due to the Islamic golden age), "The West" is the only region that faced "the dark ages" due it's own idiocy. "The West" is a failure, and I can't wait to see the faces of the leaders when they finally realise that China has been centre of the world stage for near 20 years already & is in ascendancy.
>>90079384it was a rethoric question cunt
>>90078841>>90078847I've long held that Steven is the perfect idol for incels, and they only reject him because of how pathetic he is (which is part of why he's perfect). & Absolutely agree on MES.He said nigger once, & so fucking what? Marx said Jewish people should just convert (aka he advocates for the eradication of Jewish people), did that make Hitler his friend? I mean, fucking hell, the alt-right hate themselves so much as to constantly make idols of their enemies.
>>90079538>He said nigger onceyeah but he was making a reference to the patronizing, paternalism, tokenism culture.
>>90079497It's pretty retarded to read a question as an answer, but there you are
>>90078841>nazi youth in their little shortsThe most blatant example of projection I've maybe ever seen.
>>90079597>there were faggots in nazi party
>>90079558Patronising culture such as that which breeds incels like Steven?I mean, what is "tokenism" if not "we have to include TERFs in discussions about gender"? or, replace TERF with incels, fascists; climate deniers and gender with feminism, race; climate change, respectivelyLiberals are tokenists, but they're not left wingers. They're"centrists", the same idiots who let Hitler and Stalin in power because "both sides are equally bad" somehow still applies when one side wants genocide and tother wants no genocide.
>>90073238this, those in power want you playing identity politics.
>>90079672man a lot of people who care about for example afroamaerican people are posh. this people in their daily lives don't see them with the same rights. only use them for political reasons
>>90079631So the first thing you think of when you think "nazi" is "little blonde boys wearing little shorts"? Yea, says more about you than anybody else.
>>90079672also why this people care so much about social representative issues, the people they're trying to "defend" only want a better economic situation, they don't want the (for lack of a better world) cultural marxist or leftism chick that only care about social issues but no economic issues that are fundamental for a lot of them. i think a lot of these champagne socialist (they can be from the right or the left) are just hypocrites and opportunists. but its like people dont care about this
>>90079853nazis in high positions were faggots right
>>90079874But those guys were a little too old for your Jewish pedophile tastes, right? Hence the focus on "blonde boys wearing little shorts".
>>90078238>unironically linking to a contrapoints video
>>90079856Virtue signalling its that easy, you get to feel like youre doing a lot while doing very little
>>90073930Not really that odd. I think of a lot of people from Manchester are like that. He reminds me of my granddad desu.Noel Gallagher is kind of the same way only many IQ points lower.
>>90079899>too old for your Jewish pedophile tastes, right?haha not really probably they were happy only with see them. perversions exists of different kinds right cunt? >>90079945cant compare mes with those hacks of oasis. btw liam was an admirer of him i guess
Why does the leftist fear the short shorts?
>>90079999I meant that kind of flippant dismissive attitude towards everything, never taking anything seriously, I feel like I know many people like that
>>90073164Fuck off. You don't know anything about anything.
>>90079597Your post is projection in and of itself, mong.
>pc>anti-pc>alt-right>celebrity worshippers>arguing with reactionariesMiddle class agitprop bollox. Mind melted piglets, the lot of you.
>>90079793>>90079856dude please read something. Anything. So long as it has words and sentences, reading it will do you a whole lot of good.
>>90073164this guy really looks like caps from g2
he was doing the reddit edgespork thing
>fucking contrapoints >le theres no west because africans people can speak english and be catholic tookill yourself trannynigger
>>90073977He was a big fan of Fear too
Cringe thread, he was a serial larper who happened to make good music. Case closed.
>>90077896>stooges >art school band lmao ok
>>90073238It's called an apparatus of control. the spaces of free speech and narrative development are controlled by msm and tech giants who (as shown by mountains of public evidence) collaborate with intelligence communities to influence and control public opinion. Playing people against each other in identity factions is just one piece of the architecture of control. Recommend you read "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays and then "The System's Neatest Trick" by Theodore John Kaczynski, if you're really into it then read Jacque Ellull's "Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes" and (to bring this back around to /mu/...) why not try John Maus's "Control Societies"?
>>90077654he definitely would have gone to art school if he wasn't a poor pleb from Salford