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ITT: flying fics, writing for other fandoms, appreciating horsewords, Princess fics, the trans mission, [This story is closed for renovations], shortskirts's short skirts, the Lion King, people who are incapable of writing, /lit/ more like /shit/ amirite?, just incompetence in general, the politics of two worlds meeting, SpaceBattles, Horselover Fat is watching you, rationalfics yet again, burns that haven't healed in two thousand years, no seriously, a lot of rationality, alternate seven elements, the shinverse is actually one of the least crazy parts of the thread, baby naming dreams, pegasus sex craters, and Dinky goes watch a football game.

>FiMFiction Starter Kit (recommended fics):
Winners:
http://i.imgur.com/vuTA7EN.png
List of nominees by category:
http://mlp-fanfics.herokuapp.com/

>How do I write fanfiction?
Ezn’s guide - https://eznguide.neocities.org/
Politics and the English Language - http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/
Vhatug's tips for anatomically correct clop - https://pastebin.com/g4VpEg4f
Horse Behaviour - http://www.equestrianandhorse.com/equus/behaviour.html
Setting a story in motion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufO8LbwTdu0
Taking criticism - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v4R2ZcxPlA

>Can you pre-read my story?
Post it on Google Docs with comments enabled and give us a link.

>Reviews and riffs:
https://pastebin.com/u/notkickass222urmom
https://pastebin.com/u/IHeartShinzakura
https://pastebin.com/wmGX7FPm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z9Bz7UnEbxo-svlXa2tV49PJkP-yFuR7pRXiBUn-IeU

>Voiceguy's readings:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt68MpmvEketmqOdHncHI2w

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>>33484368
>alternate seven elements
Speaking of which, take a gander at https://www.fimfiction.net/story/47607/the-lost-element

I get trying to capitalize on some of the bigger or more popular fics. your past sins and the like.

But what do yall think about people trying to cash in on a self insert that youve probably never given a second thought to?
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>>33484395
last thread should be buried and forgotten.

How are ya'lls writing projects going? Mine has stalled for the last two months but I'm gonna try to crank out another chapter or two this weekend.
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>>33484398
There are so many red flags in that description I may have actually cringed in disgust.
>>33484401
I should be able to wrap up the latest chapter of Blankness within the month. Before that, I want to get my Sparlight story ready for publishing next week.
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Is there a guide or method to individual paragraph flow and construction in a story? Not in a technical sense—with punctuation and shit—but in the artistic sense that "if you want your audience to feel x, structure your sentences like y".
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>>33484419
>There are so many red flags in that description I may have actually cringed in disgust.
its also 1.7 million words with a 1633:424 ratio
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>>33483148
I appreciate you taking the time to gather all these. The thing is I'm pretty sure they're original art. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, but I try to use only high-res screencaps from the show. That said, while I may not use these images in particular, I probably will look up the scenes that inspired them and grab screencaps from there. So thank you for that.
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>>33484424
Beyond "to add impact to a sentence, stop the paragraph at that sentence" and occasionally "repeat the last idea more directly" pursuing this seems like a bad idea.
I especially hate it when a writer decides a sentence is so cool it needs its own paragraph in the middle of a paragraph.
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Found on the Internets. It's a shame about FIMficiton's minimum story length rules.
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Twilight Sparkle cowered under the table as the rain of forks suddenly stopped. That "Book of l33t Magical H4x" had made it sound like amazing things would happen when she drew the arcane shapes in the magical circle and charged it with power from her horn, but it began raining forks instead.

She looked around and saw the heaps of silverware embedded in tabletops all over the castle cafeteria and piled on the floor--but she also saw the piles of silverware vanish in flashes of yellow light.

"You can come out now, Twilight," called her teacher and mentor. "I'm a little disappointed but not angry."

Twilight slowly came out from under the table.

Princess Celestia pointed sadly at the magic circle, still holding the characters of power, ":(){ :|:& };:" and said "I would have thought you'd think through what that would do before you set it off."

She shook her head and continued. "You're such a bright little filly--and those asterisks on your flanks give you wildcard access to all of magic."

Twilight said "How did you stop it so easily?"

"Oh, Twilight," said the Princess, pointing at her own flank markings. "You may have wildcard access, but you can't spell 'sun' without 'su.'"
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>>33484564
I don't get it.
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>>33484573
it is some old Linux/bash jokes
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>>33484564
>Celestia raising the sun is actually her killing and restarting the X server every day
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>>33484617
that would be irresponsible and inconsiderate
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>>33484634
Except a critical bug in the Sun module that causes it to freeze on its 1.5th orbit was labelled as FSCKOFFWILLNOTFIX because of a compatibility issue, so Celestia has no other choice but to manually restart it every day until Equestria moves to Wayland (when, if ever, it gets finished).
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>>33484401
Going well so far. Not as fast as my first story but still have a good pace going. Gonna publish at the end of the month.

>>33484419
>Blankness

Been waiting for that to finish for a long time so I could read it.
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>RariTwi
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>tfw the older I've become, the more my distaste for dyke-shipping has grown
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>>33484666
I'm sorry for being such a slow writer, Satan.
I may actually have more time this year, so I hope to be able to wrap it up.
What is your story about?
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>>33484685
>tfw the wiser I've become, the more my distaste for dyke-shipping has grown
ftfy, bro
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>>33484649
I believe that merits an "oh u."
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>>33484742
>mfw I'm on the return
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>>33484734
I'm writing the "Rarity getting enslaved" story that people here have said comes off as an edgy version of the Diamond Dogs episode. But it's really more comedic.
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>>33484785
Oh, neat!
I look forward to reading it, it sounded fun.
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>>33481390
No. Discord ruled Equestria. Equestria was founded after HWE. Therefore, Discord ruled post-HWE

>>33481458
>between Equestria the land and Equestria the country
By all indications, they're one in the same.

>before ponies discovered our beautiful land of Equestria
>eventually, they all arrived in a new and wondrous land
Whatever the unnamed point of origin for ponies was, it wasn't the current Equestria.

>>33481460
You're other options are kindness, magic (friendship), or generosity. I think loyalty, laughter, and honesty fit her better.

>>33483024
>It's a giant crater.
I'm assuming it's an extinction-tier crater? Can't see how a society could live in anything less. Unless it's actually a supervolcano caldera they mistook for a crater. That would actually be a lot cooler.

>>33484041
Sounds like an episode of Stargate. All that's missing is the Goa'uld/Wraith monster the hero needs to defeat to save the community.

>>33484421
Reminder that the comics are not, and have never been, canon.

>>33484401
Haven't done anything in months.

>>33484424
>if you want your audience to feel x, structure your sentences like y
You're not really going to be able to do that. Tone isn't really something set by sentence structure or strictly technical elements. It's something that can only be build through the content of the sentences.

>>33484785
>But it's really more comedic.
So it's just the Diamond Dog episode. You either rehash the episode or make it more edgy/sexual, there's not a whole lot else you can do with "Rarity gets enslaved."
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>>33485116
>Therefore, Discord ruled post-HWE
...therefore, HWE (the subject of that conversation) is pre-Discord.
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>>33485116
>I'm assuming it's an extinction-tier crater? Can't see how a society could live in anything less. Unless it's actually a supervolcano caldera they mistook for a crater. That would actually be a lot cooler.
Yeah, it's like miles and miles wide. I don't think the origin is explained per se - Dash just calls it a crater in the sense of "large hole in the ground", but she's absolutely not the kind of pony to be pedantic about the geological origins of holes in the ground, and distinguish between impact craters and calderas.
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Dammit, I spent like 20 minutes replying to shit last thread only to realise that we'd already started a new one. No idea how the fuck we managed to pick up someone who'd unironically link to LessWrong. That's too autistic even for me.

>>33483932
>>33483969
I wonder, when do you think that they stopped caring about continuity? My earliest guess is the season 2 finale.
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>>33485199
Nothing wrong with posting last thread while it's not dead, it's not like nobody is allowed to check it anymore
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>>33485203
I must be used to faster boards.
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>>33485199
>I wonder, when do you think that they stopped caring about continuity? My earliest guess is the season 2 finale.

You can probably find continuity lapses in Return of Harmony if you look, but an easy mark is Luna's transformation in Luna Eclipsed. Her grown and space mane could be considered a retcon or handwaved with various explanations but the fact is that consistency and continuity were never close to the top of the team(as a whole)'s priority list.
And this is a reminder that considering what they set out to make, it did not have to be.
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>>33484368
>the trans mission
The what? Is this why I've got this on my favourites toolbar?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/07/20/feature/crossing-the-divide-do-men-really-have-it-easier-these-transgender-guys-found-the-truth-was-more-complex/?fbclid=IwAR2Y9ao5S3J43-YuQ8WYgNsa3VIrgc04sVflBj7Dks6209NAldu86rRObbc&noredirect=on&utm_term=.85155a575417
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/dispute-over-detransition-study-heads-for-high-court-2zjtzxn30
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>>33484442
A what now?
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>>33484564
>>33484576
>>33484617
I've been using Linux for nearly a year now and have never uses su once. Do I suck?
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>>33485233
No you're probably just not a professional sysadmin managing lots of servers, and never used some niche systems where sudo isn't even available. But sudo is basically a somewhat more feature filled version of su.
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>>33484368
Fak this is true, I'm a writer myself but. WOW!
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>>33485227
4 likes to every dislike?
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>>33484564
>"You may have wildcard access, but you can't spell 'sun' without 'su.'"
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>>33484649
I didn't know the sun was developed by Lennart Poettering
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/g/ please leave
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>>33485579
Equestria migrated to systemd after Celestia was born.
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>spot someone reading fimfic in the wild
>it's hie
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>>33485593
It's like the fucker who wears a "proud to be a brony" shirt. Avoid at all costs.
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So...BV special today or something. Is it going to be as bad as it sounds?
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>>33485923
>today or something
Tomorrow, probably.
>Is it going to be as bad as it sounds?
Hard to say. There's no guarantee it's even a story - could be a livestream Q&A or something, art contest, who knows
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>>33485116
>By all indications, they're one in the same.
Consider me in doubt until I get around to checking the transcripts for myself.

>Whatever the unnamed point of origin for ponies was, it wasn't the current Equestria.
Then why does the Journal of the Two Sisters treat early Equestria as an alliance of existing states, which the Princesses were recruited as something like arbitrators between?

>Reminder that the comics are not, and have never been, canon.
There's no official canon policy excluding them, so they're canon as anything else officially licensed by Hasbro, and more canon than any fan speculations or assumptions. But even if you ignore the only official portrayal of either sister's love life, "they're old and female so they *must* have had countless 'lovers' never seen or alluded to, and only a puritan or waifufag would find that surprising or remarkable" is pure incel logic. (Not to mention leaving no explanation for why they've had no offspring and didn't know alicorn conception was possible.)

>>33485181
Hot take: They never did care. It was always about the arc of the season and the adventure/friendship problem of the episode; and season 2 didn't have an arc.

At best, season 1 continuously developed the main cast and their friendships; but there never was or would have been a coherent history, timeline, geography or orbital system. Remember when fall came one episode after the end of winter?

>>33485223
See >>33462459; it's actually two threads back.

>>33485281
What's true, now?

>>33485923
>>33485966
"BV"?
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>>33486134
>LUNA IS PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE
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>>33486134
>"BV"?

Berylverse.

Guess why.
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>>33486134
The show has never been about being consistent or coherent. It's like the bible: a series of nearly unrelated books in a series by different authors trying to tell the same story without pre-planning.

Which is why it's so great for fanfiction. You can just pick and choose whichever element suits you the best and simply not think about the rest to make a good story. It all gets established and or debunked in one episode or another.

Which is why I'm getting a real hoot from treating MLP as the actual bible: As if literally everything in it is allegorical or paraphrased.
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>>33484564
Alright, this is amazing.
Please tell me there's more where this came from
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>>33486134
>>33486143
Maybe the Princesses just really like anal. Hence no alicorn offspring.
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>>33486182
Not actually related, but you might enjoy Synthesis
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/427365/synthesis

Or possibly Queen Rarity, in which EqG Rarity turns into a changeling AI hacker-on-steroids
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/400457/queen-rarity
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>>33486143
>IT'S SERIOUS LITERATURE FOR MATURE ADUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULTS

>>33486157
Because those are its initials?
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>>33486260
That actually looks like fun, I'll put Synthesis on Read Later.
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>>33486263
Literally me
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>>33486263
Why do you even bother bringing up your "Luna is pure" headcanon? Surely you've realized that nobody ITT agrees with you, and you're just going to get mocked every time you mention it.
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>>33485588
systemd? Moar liek sunny d, amirite guise?
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>>33486134
God dammit anon I came to this thread to smile. Now you've just made me feel even worse.
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>>33486281
Not that guy, but my headcanon is that Sunbutt, the big sister, is experienced, even hedonistic--which ties into mythology in which solar deities have ties to fertility, spring, and new life. A Moonbutt who still thinks boys are "icky" somewhere in the back of her mind works well for comic effect, when you play them off against one another. Which might also be used to give a bit of emotional depth and complexity to a pair of talking cartoon horses. In my opinion.
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>>33486315
>the ruler of the night isn't a slut
Sure anon, sure.
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>>33486315
>literally every pony under the sun (and in her) isn't a slut
Sure anon, sure.
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>>33486281
Why else?

Also, to be fair I'm not the one who dredged it up from last thread's end-thread shitposting zone.

>>33486301
...Sorry? Not sure what it was I said.
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>>33486281
Another guy, but I believe that princess in her early 20s is much more prone to go bonkers and turn into NMM than millenias old deity, thus Luna being pure virgin not being such far fetched ideas.
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>>33486180
I feel like it was better when canon had a mostly-solid framework to build on plus open spaces to build into, rather than being full of unusable structure that has to be knocked down to build anything. But I'm glad there are writers still interested in working with it.

I feel like between "allegorical" and "paraphrased" is a pretty wide spectrum.
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>>33486653
>princess in her early 20s is much more prone to go bonkers
That seems plausible, though you'd need to adjust a few other things to make it fit.
From the show:
>Luna was banished for exactly 1000 years prior to S1
>Luna went NMM and then got banished only a few minutes later kill me
>Celestia first raised the sun exactly 1111 years prior to S8 kill me harder
Add in some reasonable assumptions:
>Celestia started raising the sun when she got her cutie mark, which happened around the usual age
>Celestia and Luna started raising the sun and moon at about the same time
And you've got Luna being around 120 years old at the time she gets banished
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>>33486653
It's come up before (e.g. >>29648150). But apparently Luna didn't go bonkers until about a century after Celestia took over the sun.

(A thought, though: When Celie said "we have lived far longer than this arrogant princess", what if she was using their *combined* age?)
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>>33485199
See >>33486134.
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>>33486278
...The yell or the image?
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If SS&E is still lurking, I wanna say thanks, you're about half the reason I became a lyrafag
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>>33486990
What's the other half?
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>>33486739
You don't even need to go that far. Just assume that the average horse doesn't live to 100 and that the two sisters were born within a decade of each other.
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>>33487000
her sheer adorableness
also trips check'd
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>>33486990
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>>33486990
Gonna second that
>>33487479
Lost
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>>33487479
I looked for this on Derpibooru under "not loss" and didn't find it.
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https://www.fimfiction.net/story/189683/destinies

You know, I think this fic is the closest thing to what I wanted, but it just bores me like no other. The prose is slightly above average in quality, the characters don't act idiotically and group scenes actually seem natural, but everything just seems bland. Story wise, I think the idea of MLP already existing made it bad, and there are also the extremely underwhelming first contact moments in the fic which literally take 2 paragraphs. The whole situation between pons and hums is just underwhelming. Also it has that lolrandomxd Pinkie which I hate.
So yeah, dropped at the 7th chapter. It doesn't seem bad IMO, just boring.

>>33487479
Have you seen Made In Abyss? You should totes see it.
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>>33485966
So, did anything happen with 'the big surprise' or whatever was coming from the BV?
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>>33487882
I checked just now 4U and found pic related
So, we've got Ponk being angsty about her rape baby abortion, AJ (I assume) finally telling Sunset about the 1000-year-old unicorn who lives in Oklahoma, and maybe some preliminaries for muh wizard war
It's by Flynt Coal, who's written two BV side stories and one for AAG plus his main project, a 400,000 word RvB crossover. I think his previous fics were okay, but of course they didn't come close to Shinzakura tier
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>>33487906
Mirin' AJ's arms.
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>>33487906

Well, that sounds like barrels of fun all around.

>muh wizard war

Sometimes I wonder if the promise of this wizard war is the only thing keeping you going in this madness.
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>>33487906
Jesus christ, I forgot how horribly uncanny those CG renders are. Who would think this is okay?
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OLDFAGS report in:

Twilestia: Eternal vs. Composure
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>>33487941
>not wanting cgi-abomination AJ to hold you tight in her strong arms
What are you, gay?

>>33487950
Eternal, I guess?
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>>33487950
>on the ride since April '12 and haven't read either
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>>33487950
>Choose: Unfinished shit vs. finished shit from an in the closet tranny

oh wow, what wonders this fandom creates
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>>33486182
It came from my warped little brain, after too many hours spent studying Tha Loonix(tm). That scene is all there is.

>Purplesmart's butt marks are asterisks signifying wildcards
>literal fork bomb
>Celestia has admin access
>ends with bad pun

And that's really all there was of it.

Sometimes ideas and scenes come to me, very detailed. Usually they suck. This one was sort of funny, if you're a *ix nerd, anyway.
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>>33487479
thp thp thp thp
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>>33487941
>Who would think this is okay?
It's someone's fetish, I just know it. Probably in Japan.
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>>33487996
That's alright, but if you ever start a mid-length form comedy by all means keep us posted
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>>33487991
>an in the closet tranny
When did this happen? Didn't they disappear from the site a long time ago?

(Or is it just a basic assumption for someone who writes a 100k-word novel about female horses being sad and then learning to accept themselves?)
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>>33488059
I've written a number of things, most of them greentexts posted to AiE or PiE. Most are short gag stories with little more point or content than that one. I've also written some clop, some of it deliberately weird, as trollfic, and an adventure story with which I am dissatisfied.

Yes, all second-person greentext.
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>>33488115
Might as well make some sort of anthology, or collection of them. A 'story' of short snippets, maybe according to some central theme. I think those would count as something.
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>>33487906
What on earth is that goofy double-s symbol?
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>>33488125
Fair enough.

http://pastebin.com/e1g0PiME is clop, of a certain sort.

https://pastebin.com/sQMmZD4D is something I posted in a Hassenfeld Ponies thread.

https://pastebin.com/wJfMpsyC is that adventure story, which gets less adventurous and turns more into a character exploration, then sort of just stops because I ran out of things for the two characters to do. And yes, in the first part, that's a /k/ reference.

And if all the stories have a character in common, well, I guess I'm a bit of a Sunfag.
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>>33485199
> when do you think that they stopped caring about continuity?
S3 was when they stopped caring about the story editor, but it was able to carry on based on inertia. I'd say the flashback to the Luna/Celestia fight in the S4 premiere was when it really started.

>>33485216
To be fair, pilots and early season 1s usually have a lot of wobbly things in them that get retconned later on because the show's actually longer lasting. The "unicorns can only ever learn spells relating to their special talent" springs to mind.

>>33486134
>why does the Journal of the Two Sisters
I don't know. It isn't canon (thanks, Flurry), so it's not like it matters.

>There's no official canon policy excluding them
Pic related. The show doesn't give a shit about the comics and never has, hence why they've never been referenced. In addition, something can't be canon if events in it contradict the source material:
>Star Swirl's entire personality
>someone other than the M6 being able to use the Elements
>Luna being banished less than a thousand years ago
And this is just from Reflections.

>your pic
Twilight didn't conceive Spike since she's not a dragon. Pinkie wasn't happy with her family; that doesn't mean she couldn't have learned to skate on her own at some point. Dash had to deal with some weather bullshit, so didn't witness Gilda being a cunt. Twilight's been wrong numerous times about magic over the course of S1, so that's nothing new. Pinkie had no idea she witnessed a rainboom at the time, it was just some shit in the sky she saw.

>>33486315
>A Moonbutt who still thinks boys are "icky"
>not one who, due to the morals of the time she lived, has strict Victorian-esque standards for sex with a lifetime partner and is mortified by sexual images, public lewdness, and the "corruption" of modern Equestria
Lunafags can't even come up with good purity headcanons.
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[Pt. 2]

>>33486653
>in her early 20s
Anon, at the barest minimum, they ruled Equestria for decades prior to NMM.

>>33487479
>tfw any 2x2 comic immediately makes you think of Lost regardless as how well it fits

>>33487950
Composure, no question. RIP Eternal's "journey to the center of the mind" plot just ruined the whole thing.

Severing vs. Dusk and Dawn
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>>33488472
>To be fair, pilots and early season 1s usually have a lot of wobbly things in them that get retconned later on because the show's actually longer lasting.
To be fair, nothing. The only reason they are "wobbly" is because they didn't expend the effort to come up with a 100% solid world to start with. That is another way of saying that they did not place continuity near the top of their priorities.

>The show doesn't give a shit about the comics and never has, hence why they've never been referenced.
That was years ago, the status has evolved since then. The Pillars of Equestria prequel comics in particular were developed in tandem with the show.

This is the first time that MLP has had to deal with an actual multimedia franchise, but far from the first time a fandom has done so. If you are trying to rationalize canonicity when dealing with writer inconsistency, you establish levels. The show and movie are the most canon, and then the comics unless contradicted by the show, and then the books, and then the toys, and finally EQG. Given that all of these levels also contradict both themselves and each other, the whole excersise is completely pointless, but as far as I am concerned Luna does in fact canonically have a pet opossum named Tiberius.
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>>33488533
How many opossums has Luna gone through considering each one has the average lifespan of up to four years? Is this Tiberius CCCXXXXVII?
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>>33488545
No, and that's the most absurd conclusions I've seen anyone jump to in weeks.
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>>33488547
Well, he's got at most three years to live. It'll be a sad day for Luna.
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>>33488551
Well, Luna does not seem to be shy about employing a much wider breadth of spells than Celestia so I would not put it past her to employ life extending magic on him. Necromancy is fairly implausible, if canon, but immortalizing him in the dream world seems within the realm of possibility.

But, I like to imagine that she would let Tiberius expire and then acquire a creature more befitting her stature and a more appropriate counterpoint to Philomena. A domesticated wendigo, perhaps, or make a shadow phoenix.
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>>33488561
Or maybe the little opossum thaws her heart and makes for a great secondary lesson in humility, as a call back to Dash's whole thing. You know, like in the show? Followed by an equally as rhyming episode in the form of Luna scrambling to extend Tibby's life and eventually yanking the plug on his life support.
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>>33487950
>tfw reading Eternal right now, and Composure was one of the first actually good fics I ended up reading
See, I remember Composure being really really good, but that might well be the effect of all the utter shit I was also reading at the time. I mean we're all familiar with that effect, when you've just discovered horsewords. But, Composure makes me very mad because there's literally one chapter left, which also means the author knew what they wanted to do to finish it, and yet they just fucking bailed.

Eternal... Didn't actually strike me as a romance fic. If you were looking for twilestia, I definitely agree with the other anon that the whole mind journey isn't very fitting. But as just a fic about Twilight and Celestia and psychological introspectives, and deep and well-crafted lore about the two three sisters, I quite like it so far - I'm at the point where Celestia just woke up for two days, so I don't know how it ends yet.
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>>33488472
>S3 was when they stopped caring about the story editor
Editor?
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>>33488472
i find it kind of amusing when anyone gets salty about Luna's little meltdown and betrayal not being a years-long war. My headcanon was always a short fight into banishment, because the pacing of the myth at the start implies that. Do you hate it because you were into the lunar rebellion stuff?
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>>33488884
Yeah, I always figured Luna got control of the day/night cycle for a little bit, then Celestia banished her ass. Nothing lasting more than a week at most.
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Speaking of Eternal it actually gives a rather decent explanation of the five minute nightmare moon
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>>33488884
The problem is, five minutes of tantrum should not result in a thousand years in the moon. If it does, Celestia is a bitch or incompetent. Nothing in the five-minute version satisfies. Nightmare Moon's revolt doesn't have to be a massive war, but it does have to be more substantial than a nap-and-you-miss-it event.
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>>33488884
The thing I've got going for a story is that it lasted exactly one night, which is why her whole rampage is labelled in the way it is, and that the "thousand years" are purely allegorical, kind of like the Scriptures' "forty days and forty nights". She was in banishment for far longer than any single pony can remember, doesn't have to be a thousand years but can be as short as a hundred.

tl;dr: stop giving a shit about the show and do your own thing
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Fics for this feeling?

https://youtu.be/oxHnRfhDmrk
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>>33488926
>>33488934
I dunno, we can argue headcanon till the cows come home, but I thought that since Celestia wasn't supposed to wield the elements of Harmony there was little she could do with them. Hence why she didn't just zap Nightmare and get Luna back as the m6 could. So it was a thousand years moon or nothing, and shit was dangerous enough to risk the former.

But IDK man.
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>>33488926
You're assuming Celestia had any control over the banishment parameters. It's not like she sent Luna to a time out, she was trying to save the world from eternal night and ripped open a portal to fling her sister into it. Hardly a prison sentence, more of a desperation move.
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>>33488939
Posts like this never get replies. I should know, I used to post them all of the time.

Fics for this feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89F5fpvwPr0
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>>33488961
>and ripped open a portal to fling her sister into it. Hardly a prison sentence, more of a desperation move.
Boy did you even watch the season 4 opener.
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>>33489033
not since the original airing. What's unportally about it?
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>>33488939
Please anons, don't leave me like this.
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>>33489098
What am I to do? It doesn't bring anything to mind.
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>I mean we're all familiar with that effect
I feel that way towards a lot of fics. I recall finding them good, but that's seen in the light of fanfiction usually being terrible. Furthermore, I've changed a lot in the past seven years.

Pic related, for instance. I remember liking it, but I don't know if it's actually any good.
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>>33489308
Yeah. I think a big part of it is because when you first discover horsewords, you start off assuming it's gonna be "fanfiction" in the usual sense of 14 year old horny girls having sexual fantasies, so any attempt at a coherent plot and a serious premise is welcome. But eventually you discover the really good writers, like the ones that actually write good stories by objective literature standards, and then you stop having double standards for "fanfiction" and "normal books" and just judge everything the same, by which measure a lot of stuff suddenly doesn't seem nearly as well written anymore.
Another reason might be that at first, you're not familiar with the most overused tropes yet, so a story might be "generic HiE #63,468", but if you've never read HiE before and the story itself isn't written horribly you'll still have fun.

Composure, though, thinking back on my vague memories, I think it's not unlikely that it was actually good. It certainly receives the praise to show for it, but of course it's hard to say for sure without actually going in and re-reading it.
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>>33489334
>you start off assuming it's gonna be "fanfiction" in the usual sense of 14 year old horny girls having sexual fantasies
As opposed to the 14 year old horny boys you can find on FimFiction.

>you stop having double standards for "fanfiction" and "normal books"
Let's not go that far. I still have lower expectations and standards for fanfiction than I have for actual books.
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>>33489308
>>33489334
From experience of rereads:
>Any fic that I originally through was anything less than average still is
>Any fic that I originally thought was hit and miss is now more miss than hit
>Any fic that I originally thought was average is now bad
>Any fic that I thought was good but heavily flawed still is
>I've yet to read a fic that I think it great, or even just plain good, literature.
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>>33489527
The expansion of mediocrity in entertainment applies to all media and scales with age.
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>>33488926
You are now imagining Princess Celestia yelling "UNACCEPTABLE! One thousand years! Moon!" in Lemongrab's voice.
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>>33488961
>You're assuming Celestia had any control over the banishment parameters.

Well, duh. All she had to do was look in the manpages.

% man banish

BANISH(1) USER COMMANDS BANISH(1)

NAME
banish - make an annoying little sister disappear temporarily

SYNOPSIS
banish [ -t ] heavenlybodyname...

DESCRIPTION
banish makes your little sister take a time-out of a duration
and on a heavenly body you select.

The -t flag allows a duration to be specified. If not used the
default banishment will be one thousand years.

banish requires write permission in the parent directory of the
chosen banishment heavenly body.

SEE ALSO
rm(1), kill(1), vanquish(1)
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>>33490043
listen, sometimes you have a castle literally falling down around your ears and you don't have time to read man pages.
it's the program's fault for having banish --help print out just
> banish [ -t ] target

she knows how to use it right the next time around
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>>33489977
You now realize that "Nightmare Moon" was just Luna writing "you really smell like dog buns" and leaving the note on her sister's pillow.
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>confe§ions, ch.1
In typical Berylverse fashion, a few interesting things happen, but it all gets overshadowed by stupidity and drama.

Derpy has recently developed the ability to hack computers with her brain:
>“I thought about logging out, and the computer did it. Almost like it was… responding to my thoughts or something. God, saying it out loud sounds crazy!”

Sunset meets a future serial killer:
>Sugarcube Corner regular Ms. Honeycomb arrives and sits in Sunset's section
>she introduces her daughter, Darque Eulogy
I just want to repeat that: the kid's name is DARQUE EULOGY. If that ain't the most goffik thing you've seen this week, you may need to reconsider your taste in literature.
>little Darque'ness Dementia Eulogy shows Sunset her Blossomforth voodoo doll
>"I made this! I love making new friends!"

DRAMA TIME
>two football players from the private school for boys show up
>they hit on Sunset for three pages
>then they spend another page or two discussing the mind-control date-rape club, and how Sunset deserves to be raped
>Psycho Ponk poisons them with "unsafe amounts of tapioca"
>they both get sick
>one shits his pants
>they flee the cafe in shame
>the Cakes call Ponk upstairs after work
>they saw what she did on the security tapes and threaten to fire her
>Ponk gets worked up, and inadvertently reveals the "rape" part of her big "rape-baby abortion" secret

So that's Ponk's "confession", I guess. I originally thought she'd be revealing the rape-baby abortion stuff to Sunset, but I forgot she already did that. AJ's should be in the second half (coming next weekend), since in this one she invites Sunset over for an obviously contrived reason.

Also, Shinzakura should let this Flynt Coal guy write all of Psycho Ponk's scenes from now on. She didn't inflict much Psycho-Ponking on Sunset in this one, but when she did, it was actually funny, instead of cringey and disturbing.
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>>33488130
>What on earth is that goofy double-s symbol?
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/176968/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-symbol-on-the-upper-left-corner-of-the-mac-keybo

It's a "section" symbol, apparently.
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>>33491098
I would disagree and say that it is in fact not a recognized symbol and has no meaning.
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>>33491098
That thing on the cover does not look like a section to me, but I guess
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>>33488130
>>33491098
It's used a lot more in Yurop, nobody wants to spell out the word "paragraph".
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>americlaps don't know about §
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>>33491098
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>>33491372
For years I only knew it as the symbol for Simoleons.
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What onomatopoeia should i use for a condescending laugh with a closed mouth?
Its for a drawing but i figured you guys would have the best idea.
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>>33491958
I wouldn't use an onomatopoeia at all. Just say "snorted" or something. If you must, maybe "Pff" or "tch".
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[Pt. 1]

>>33488533
>To be fair, nothing.
Pretty much every single TV show's pilot is going to have abnormalities in it compared to the rest of the series. For live action, it's usually sets and locations. For animation, character design and VA stuff.

This is because pilots have an incredibly low chance of getting picked up for a series, so the focus is always on that specific story. They can fuck around with continuity if the execs actually greenlight it.

>they did not place continuity near the top of their priorities
Correct. They were busy getting Hasbro to approve the show. The continuity stuff came after, as it does in every TV show.

>The Pillars of Equestria prequel comics in particular were developed in tandem with the show.
You mean that Haber, the story editor, gave Bobby, the comic editor, the show scripts to use. They've always done that. Only difference is Bobby decided to actually use them as part of a comic series for once.

>you establish levels
Or you disregard everything not in the source. If it's not referenced in the source material, it's not canon. Simple, easy, practical, no retarded theses trying to work every little thing into it.

>>33488628
Story editor. They're the one who create whatever "arc" is going to be in the season, organize the plots and assign the writers to them, and edit the scripts for consistancy/continuity. That was before they hired Haber, though.
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[Pt. 2]

>>33488884
>not being a years-long war
A years long war is fucking stupid and makes no sense, since no one would support eternal night, but a completely empty capital city, supposedly as a huge political crisis is peaking also is fucking stupid and makes no sense.

Ideally, it would have lasted for a few days, a week at most. Luna goes crazy, Celestia and the government spend a few days negotiating trying to end things and when they can't, the NMM fight ensues.

There was also the wonderful headcanon that the fight caused the Everfree Forest, but they just kicked that aside without a second thought.

>because you were into the lunar rebellion stuff?
You mean the fanfic that takes place two centuries after NMM?

>>33489308
>tfw you've been putting off rereading The Night that Never Ended because you're worried it'll be shit

>>33489334
I came from the Lion King fanfic scene, which had Chronicles of the Pridelands, among others, so I knew good fics and I still get the feeling my past self will betray me.

>>33491098
The thing in Confessions isn't a section symbol. It's just a shitty font/photoshop.
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>>33488130
>>33491098
You've never seen that before? Have you never opened a STEM textbook?
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>>33491372
>>33492647
Let's not turn this into another stem circlejerk. I got one of those degrees too but it doesn't make us better or more interesting than someone with a business degree.

>>33490180
new headcanon

>>33490949
>Darque Eulogy
Dios, mio... Also why are they humans, I thought they were supposed to be back in pony world for this part of the FIVE PHASE PLAN?
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>>33492647
Or read law.
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>>33493026
>business degree
Yes, yes it does. I wouldn't have objected if you mentioned an arts degree or even some sell-out shit like accountancy or law, but I've yet to see a business degree that wasn't utter degree-mill tripe.

>>33493056
That too. Come to think of it, I'm sure that I've seen it in terms and conditions for programmes. Have half of the guys in this thread never signed anything?
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>>33493059
>reading terms and services
I like to live dangerously pal
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>>33493063
Is "Danger" your middle name?
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>>33493063
>>33493065
Damn bros, we've got good taste.
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>>33493026
>why are they humans, I thought they were supposed to be back in pony world for this part of the FIVE PHASE PLAN?
Wut? It's a side story. It focuses on different characters than the main Phase 3 fic (GAOA). Those characters are human and they live on earth. It's just like the Berry Sue side stories during 7DSJ.

I guess Sunset and the tripfriends were in the last few GAOA chapters, but they were (supposedly) just visiting to plan Sunset's coronation.
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>>33493069
>took a screencap of his tabs
>no 'gay sex with hats on'
Aww c'mon man.
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>>33485593
>>33485606

Watching /mlp/ bitch about HiE is like watching the toilet bitch about all the shit in it.
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>>33488472
>pilots and early season 1s
>Return of Harmony
>Luna Eclipsed

>I don't know. It isn't canon
It was written by a major show writer, with aid from the creator, and at minimum approved by Hasbro for publication as "The Official Chronicles of Princesses Celestia and Luna".

>(thanks, Flurry)
...I was assuming it was because you were arbitrarily defining "canon" as only including episodes of the series. What does Flurry have to do with it?

>so it's not like it matters.
...you say in a thread about a fan fiction site?

>>Luna being banished less than a thousand years ago
When was that claimed?

>Twilight didn't conceive Spike since she's not a dragon. Pinkie wasn't happy with her family; that doesn't mean she couldn't have learned to skate on her own at some point. Dash had to deal with some weather bullshit, so didn't witness Gilda being a cunt. Twilight's been wrong numerous times about magic over the course of S1, so that's nothing new. Pinkie had no idea she witnessed a rainboom at the time, it was just some shit in the sky she saw.
Isn't it funny how easy it is to find contradictions in something you've decided isn't "canon", and how equally easy it is to explain contradictions away in something you've decided is?

>>strict Victorian-esque standards for sex with a lifetime partner
Are you under the impression that Edward VII permanently abolished lifetime marriage as a desirable ideal?

>>33488478
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/2532/dusk-and-dawn, https://www.fimfiction.net/story/365937/dusk-and-dawn or https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9633246/1/Dusk-and-Dawn?
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>This is the first time that MLP has had to deal with an actual multimedia franchise
http://heckyeahponyscans.tumblr.com/tagged/comics/chrono

>If you are trying to rationalize canonicity when dealing with writer inconsistency, you establish levels.
Says who? What does it mean to "rationalize canonicity", who's trying to do it, and what does it have to do with writing or discussing fan fiction?

>>33488561
>Necromancy is fairly implausible, if canon
I've clearly missed a lot since I've started falling behind.

>>33488634
An never-to-be-finished meme comic from an embarrassing era.

>>33488898
That's slightly surprising given that it was finished well before the episode aired. Any details?

>>33488934
>the "thousand years" are purely allegorical, kind of like the Scriptures' "forty days and forty nights".
So Twilight had no way of knowing she was about to return, and therefore no reason to be anxious or impatient when touring Ponyville? Did Celestia know, or did she have no reason to send Twilight to Ponyville?

>She was in banishment for far longer than any single pony can remember, doesn't have to be a thousand years but can be as short as a hundred.
When was Granny Smith born, and Ponyville founded?

>>33489334
>when you first discover horsewords, you start off assuming it's gonna be "fanfiction" in the usual sense of 14 year old horny girls having sexual fantasies
This has always been a weird meme to me, having had my first fanfiction experiences in gaming communities where it was all about action/adventure and mystery and worldbuilding. Which doesn't *automatically* make it good fiction; but was the source material?

In general, I've seen too many cycles of "I used to think [genre] was all shit like [work(n)], but holy shit, [work(n+1)] is legitimately great literature" to take claims of objective quality seriously.
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>>33488884 >>33488887 >>33488961
• Yes, it's sad and autistic to be emotionally invested in a little girls' toy commercial. But it's always weird to see that used in *defense* of the show.
• There are lengths of time between "four [not five] minutes" and "years".
• The scene adds nothing to the story of the sisters' conflict. It only detracts.
• The scene adds nothing to the episode it appears in. It's pure shoehorned fan "service".
• The scene gives no indication of being the culmination of some long-building conflict. As far as we can tell from it, Celly was just walking up to say good morning when Luna started yelling nonsense.
• The scene makes no attempt to hint at how or why Luna became Nightmare Moon, or what that means. She literally just changes shape (an established ability of hers) and yells "I am Nightmare Moon".
• At no point does she "vow to shroud the land in eternal night", or otherwise threaten the world at large. It's apparently sheer coincidence that her revenge plan after a thousand years in the moon was the same plan the storybook falsely accused her of originally having.
• Only by the most generous interpretation does Celly "try to reason with her". She just lectures her about duties.
• "I will not fight you. Unless you actually hit me with one of your harmless force beams. Then I'll have no choice but to use the most powerful magic known to ponydom. Nothing bad can happen from turning the friendship-powered superweapon against my oldest friend."
• Since when did the original Nightmare Moon have fangs?

>>33490043
Is this how 1000-year bans from Derpibooru happen?

>>33490180
>>33493026
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/62430/sincerely-your-former-roommate

>>33492447
>pilot
>Return of Harmony
>Luna Eclipsed

>>33492447
It sounds like you're using "source material" to mean "canon", and "canon" to mean something totally different.
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>>33491958
Is that what a scoff is?
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>>33493572
what is time compression for the purposes of pacing in a television program
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>>33493546
>In general, I've seen too many cycles of "I used to think [genre] was all shit like [work(n)], but holy shit, [work(n+1)] is legitimately great literature" to take claims of objective quality seriously.
More like "when I first discovered [genre] it was all new and exciting and I hadn't read [work(n+1)] yet, so I thought [for all 1<=i<=n: work(i)] were great, but then I realized how much was just being rehashed and now trite many things were, and then I read [work(n+1)] and finally got an example of how good things COULD be, so now when I go back to [for any 1<=i<=n: work(i)] I realize now shit it is".
There may be some name for this phenomenon - some kind of "existence principle" or something, I have no idea - but it's not caused by work(n+1) always being amazing, it's caused because there's SOME good work that exists that's much better than average and without loss of generality it can always be assumed to be work(n+1). And in terms of pony fics, the sheer volume is so large that even applying an appropriately more strict version of Sturgeon's Law we still find quite a few of those "better than average" fics, meaning people are likely to each have different "turning points" serving as their n+1th fic.
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>>33493237
>/mlp/ is one person
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>>33493699
More like a hive mind
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>>33493671
Compression of what? The flashback was longer than the original storybook scene. If they were concerned about the episode's pacing, maybe they shouldn't have stopped it dead for an irrelevant flashback?

>>33493680
• That sounds like a completely different phenomenon.
• It assumes the point in question, which is that there's such a thing as general "quality" which is inherent in a work and can be objectively compared on a linear scale.
• >one-based indices

I'm talking about people with positions like >>33477067's "it's a fundamentally flawed genre that attracts fundamentally flawed people", with sophisticated arguments about exactly why that's true, suddenly proclaiming how totally wrong they were after reading the latest trendy work in the genre. Only for the next group of detractors to hold up that same work as a perfect illustration of the same points.

Of course, people love exaggerating or fabricating conversion narratives to try to make their points more convincing. But that's not a reason to be less skeptical.
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>>33493830
You seem exceedingly autistic.
How about you post some fanfics you like, so we at least have something to discuss?
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>>33493861
>bullet points on 4chan
Worse than autism, it's probably r.rational or however the fuck you format Reddit shit.
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>>33493861
>>33493890
What have you anons been talking about?
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>>33493680
>>33493830
>the point in question, which is that there's such a thing as general "quality" which is inherent in a work and can be objectively compared on a linear scale.
...or, at least, that's part of the point in question. The other is that comments by Internet strangers, however unanimous they may seem in a particular venue, provide nonzero information about a work's "quality".

If you're not already an enthusiastic fan of a genre or topic, ignore all story recommendations from people who are.

>>33493861
I may be autistic, but at least I don't try to claim that a fanfic can be legitimately good literature.

>>33493890
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>>33493956
>I may be autistic, but at least I don't try to claim that a fanfic can be legitimately good literature.
What is "legitimately good"? What is "a fanfic"?
Are all fantasy worlds that use modern elves, dwarves (bonus if spelled this way), and goblins/orcs, plus men and optionally dragons, AU fanfics of Tolkien's setting? He did define the modern interpretation of fantasy, before him elves were tiny faeries with wings and dwarves were basically gnomes. And is Tolkien's world a fanfic of mostly-celtic folklore? He was certainly a fan of it, and then took many elements and reshaped them into his own mythos, and made a fic.
That's good literature. Now consider unambiguously fanfic works - what would they have to achieve for you to consider it "good literature"? They will, of course, never be widely accepted or often even publishable due to the niche appeal. Specifically for pony fanfics, for example, the overwhelmingly vast majority of people have zero interest in anything to do with ponies. That, however, has no bearing on the actual literary quality of the work. And no, "the author was too lazy to come up with their own world and setting" is not an argument considering how many classics are set in the real world, so creating a setting from scratch is absolutely not a prerequisite for writing "good literature". So bearing this in mind, why can't a fic be good literature, according to you?
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>>33493996
What if I told you that you're not actually obligated to change your beliefs just because you can't answer a particular arbitrary question related to them?

Related:
• https://archive.is/nCKrl
• https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/10/getting-eulered/
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>>33493996
>>33494070
Also, you could make literally the same argument replacing "fanfic" with "diaper-fetish porn".
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>>33494070
>Slate Star Codex
Sound the autist alert, we've got a big one!
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>>33494085
How about you name a story hosted on Fimfiction that, without reservation or qualification, is objectively, literarily good? Bonus points if you attach your real name to the assertion somehow.
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>>33493996
If we're talking fantasy, there are quite a few good adventure fics that are better than Sanderson's recent works. I swear, since that guy got famous, his editor is letting him get away with all manner of stupid shit
And don't even get me started on this one: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37173847-foundryside
I paid actual real-life american dollars to read this thing, but the dialogue is written worse than probably 80% of fanfics I've ever seen. And the worldbuilding is firmly in the "made-up words for common concepts" camp, not actually thought through at all. >naming your company "Foundryside Limited" >in a setting that clearly has no notion of a limited-liability company

>>33494078
I'm sorry, are you actually trying to argue that LotR is diaper-fetish porn?

>>33494085
Yeah, I was wondering if this was the LW guy who showed up at the end of the last thread, but the slate star link confirms it.

>>33494122
If you're looking for "objective literary merit", maybe you should fuck off to >>>/lit/?
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>>33494122
I'm not even whoever you're arguing with, I'm just chiming in to say that linking to the dribbling retard Scott Alexander means that I can immediately disqualify anything you write.
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The thread didn't just die... it was murdered.

Which season spawned the best fanfics?
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>>33494154
Probably two. Discord and Pre-unification Equestria were open books to explore.
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>>33494154
I'd say season 3. Late enough that there's actually some good fics beforehand, so authors know to aim high, and early enough that the lore was still open-ended.
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In an effort to understand what the fuck this general is talking about, I'm going to unironically read Sequences.

>>33493956
This guy talks so much like me that I worry that he might actually be me.
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>>33494199
>I'm going to unironically read Sequences
What
Why
It's just one guy shitposting about how no fanfics can possibly be "objectively good"
A deep dive into madness isn't necessary
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>>33494154
Season two, perhaps. It was a very volatile moment in the fandom, and you had a good balance between having enough content to solidify lore and characters, while simultaneously having many things left unexplained to explore.
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>>33494166
>>33494187
Yeah, I'd say the whole the period after S2 and the huge hiatus between S3 and S4 was fertile ground for people to try new ideas and play with what canon had given us so far.
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>>33494070
>https://archive.is/nCKrl
Holy shit, this actually makes a good point and covers what drove me away from ever becoming like those LW freaks or, in fact, a /pol/ack. I simply learned how hard it is to become right about anything. I don't know if that actually contradicts any of their principles, but it's definitely what stopped me from any variants of "science fuck yeah!", having any faith in utopia being just around the corner, or being confident in any opinion that I haven't really deeply investigated. Hence why I wasted time rereading most of TMA. Well, that, and learning that I had much bigger enemies. Truth is important, but not as important as having a pension.

>>33494085
Yep, definitely full on Less Wrong. I feel responsible for this, some lurker probably told him about us.

>>33494154
Even without having read many fics, I'd guess at 2. That's when the fandom was at its peak, and 3 undeniably did a lot of damage. Not to mention, canon becomes noticeably difficult past Season 3. At least before that you had a lot of wriggle room. Mind, >>33494187 is probably on to something.
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Are any of those long running fics any good? I couldn't get into the Winningverse for various reasons; Myths was alright but the characters are just too unlikable; Rites of Ascension was a little better, but I just stopped reading for...whatever reason. Are the Triptych or Weedverse stories any good?
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>>33494316
>expecting anything over 1mil words to be good
It'll be consistently average at best.
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>>33494141
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37173847-foundryside
Those *are* some pretty positive reviews. And one's even from a general-audience publication and not just a fellow genre writer. I don't see the word "literary" or "literature" mentioned, though.

>I'm sorry, are you actually trying to argue that LotR is diaper-fetish porn?
>this is /mlp/'s level of reading comprehension
No, just that if you were dug deep enough into enough famous literary works you could find one that you could argue is diaper-fetish porn just as convincingly as you argue that LotR is "a fanfic".

(Whether LotR is even real literature is a whole other argument.)

>If you're looking for "objective literary merit", maybe you should fuck off to >>>/lit/?
I'm not the one trying to argue that this is the place to find it.

>>33494142
You couldn't before?

>>33494199
1. That's over 490,000 words.
2. What in this thread even relates to it? If you don't understand something, just ask about it. You're anonymous.
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>>33494334
>What in this thread even relates to it?
I posted it half as bait and half serious. It's the thing that rational fics are supposed to bait you in to reading.
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This thread reminds me of IT where Bill Denbrough calls out his college literature class on making overly symbolic/political crap and asking why stories can't just be stories.
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Just got reading something that I promised to beta read again. I'm at a loss for words. Nearly every character is either not heterosexual or disabled in some way, there's even a trans dragon! It's like the author somehow thinks that this makes his characters interesting. Is there a way to argue about this? Characters need flaws, and these can be interesting flaws, but there's still something wrong about this approach.
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>>33494348
The clown from LW is the only one who cares about fics being "literary" or not. If you read upthread, everyone else is just talking about whether fics are good.
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>>33494078
You literally could not. For a diaper fetish porn story to be good, it would need to have a deep story and plot and characters etc., separately from the fetish porn, so 95% of the story won't actually be related to the fetish porn. Then the porn are basically gonna be author wish fulfillment in an otherwise good story and will need to be cut out to make the story as a whole good.
The ONLY way to make that work is to somehow realistically weave the diaper fetish porn into a compelling narrative, making the story good AND keeping the porn a central part of it. In theory, that's possible, but in practice, that's so extremely unlikely as to be essentially impossible.
I will, however, mention Friendship is Mind Control here: it is essentially a fetish fic (no prizes for guessing what fetish), but it's actually written well enough and with a good enough plot that it's a decent read even if you're not into that. But, several caveats: first of all, it's still not "good literature". It's readable, even perhaps enjoyable if you're just looking for something interesting to pass the time rather than quality art to appreciate, but not something you'd compare to "real" literature. Also, I read it some years ago, so the idea that actually started this whole argument might apply: perhaps it's utter shit and I just remember it that way. Secondly, it has a lot of gratuitous porn scenes, and while they're incorporated into the plot rather well, it's very clear what the purpose of the story is: you could entirely shift the balance away from the jacking fuel while still keeping things true to the plot and theme. And thirdly: mind control lends itself so much better to narrative based porn, and even ethical dilemmas and all, than diaper fetish.

(cont.)
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>>33494373
Now, you might say that "possible in theory but essentially impossible in practice" also applies to fanfiction as a whole. And I'll say you're a fucking hopeless moron if you think making a good story using a flexible fantasy-like setting as base is exactly as hard a challenge as making a good story centering about any fetish porn in general, let alone your example.
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>>33494308
>Holy shit, this actually makes a good point and covers what drove me away from ever becoming like those LW freaks or, in fact, a /pol/ack.
...You know that's Scott Alexander, right?

>I simply learned how hard it is to become right about anything. I don't know if that actually contradicts any of their principles, but it's definitely what stopped me from any variants of "science fuck yeah!", having any faith in utopia being just around the corner, or being confident in any opinion that I haven't really deeply investigated.
Pretty sure those are all things that LW freaks and /pol/acks are *opposed* to.

>I feel responsible for this, some lurker probably told him about us.
...How does that make you responsible? Did you introduce Armok_GoB to the show?
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>>33494363
So, there's nothing inherently wrong with characters being gay or disabled.
When the characters' identities revolve around being special because they're disabled or gay, that's when things go sour.

Artificial characters designed to broadcast the author's political views is extremely bad taste, no matter what the views are.
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>>33494364
Bursting in with a complete lack of understanding and the misrepresenting the entire discussion to prove a point no one was arguing about seems entirely in-character for these LW retards.

>>33494383
>You know that's Scott Alexander, right?
Do we need to remind people how much of a mouth-breathing pseudo-intellectual that man is?
Should I bring up the time he tried to argue that there was no significant intellectual activity going in in the "Dark Ages" by googling "top 100 philosophers"?
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>>33494363
I recommend not calling being trans a disability or not being heterosexual a flaw.
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>>33494383
>You know that's Scott Alexander, right?
I don't know who that is.

>Pretty sure those are all things that LW freaks and /pol/acks are *opposed* to.
I doubt it. Maybe they opposed it in principle, but not in practice. I can't speak of LW, but I can for /pol/. /pol/ feeds you red pills, which often have the form of vaguely internally consistent arguments that lead to socially unacceptable conclusions that will often fall apart if you asked someone who is educated on the subject matter for their option. I strongly suspect that LW is the same - internally consistent and highly convincing, but dies when presented with relevant outside information.

>>33494404
That's a great part of why I asked the question.

>>33494390
>When the characters' identities revolve around being special because they're disabled or gay, that's when things go sour.
Good point, I should really ask myself "what do these characters have outside of their sexuality".

>Artificial characters designed to broadcast the author's political views is extremely bad taste, no matter what the views are.
Agreed.
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jesus christ take the lesswrong and alexander bitching somewhere else. you've eaten the last three threads with this crap, it's gotten old.
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>>33494428
>I can't speak of LW, but I can for /pol/.
>Maybe they opposed it in principle, but not in practice.
Former /pol/ack here (haven't posted there since the 2016 election). You're basically spot on. /pol/ will tell you to "do your own research into the facts", then post a convincing infographic, and most people will never actually follow the written advice and instead will stare at the pretty picture and believe it unconditionally. Those people will then keep posting on /pol/ now that they know they're "redpilled", will continue parroting the conclusion that they didn't come to and have no evidence of their own to support, and reposting that infographic.

But there's also an argument to be made that those people are retards, and saying that that's the essence of /pol/ is like saying that /mlp/ is represented by barbiefags, nyxposters, and glimmerposters.
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>>33494373 >>33494376
I acknowledge your argument but still think it sounds like unconvincing special pleading. Somewhere, someone else is saying that only a fucking hopeless moron could think a good story happening to feature characters of a particular unconventional sexuality is exactly as unlikely as a good story coming from someone so unironically obsessed with a childrens' cartoon that they make up their own episodes for it.
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>>33494476
And /pol/ also believes in "science fuck yeah!" and utopia being just around the corner?
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>>33494428
>>33494403
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>>33494439
Weren't they rational fic discussions? Actual LW discussion is cancerous, but rational fics are still fics.

>>33494476
Damn, it feels good to be told that I'm spot on.

>But there's also an argument to be made that those people are retards,
I think it's just a step in the process. Once you've rejected your old beliefs and lost all shame in your opinions, you can then start the steps towards forming your own opinions. It's somewhere between learning to have an open mind and learning that the first step to wisdom is knowing that you know nothing. But yes, you're right that anyone who unconditionally believes what /pol/, or even any board here, tells them is a fool.

>>33494493
What does that have to do with anything?

>>33494497
Hey, a stopped clock can still be right.
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>>33494528
>Damn, it feels good to be told that I'm spot on.
and I suppose ultimately that's why the three or four of you keep spouting on about this shit.
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>>33494564
I think it's just three. I've spotted two guys arguing and joined at >>33494308 an hour ago.
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>>33494481
I specifically didn't mention anything about how people who are into diapers are unlikely to be bad authors to avoid this. I simply compared the two premises:
>a setting with magic, mythical beasts like unicorns, pegasi, manticores, gryphons, etc., and worldbuilding about diety ruler figures controlling the celestial bodies
vs.
>porn, except it's also fetish porn, except it's also super niche fetish porn
Notice how the first one has many elements that are frequently found in other "good literature"? It's inherently conductive to making good stories. And the fact that it's about talking horses, well, that's absolutely nothing new either: many classic fairy tales feature animals as protagonists. And not just ancient folklore: Roald Dalh is a recognized good writer, right?

Now notice how the second seems inherently conductive to being as hard as possible to write a good story about.
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Horse.
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>>33494620
Where can I find this Colon Awesome Dash Pants artist?
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>>33494493
> And /pol/ also believes in "science fuck yeah!" and utopia being just around the corner?
>/pol/ is one person
It's hard to say because like I said I haven't posted there in a while, but I think last I checked Varg was more representative of the general opinions there than what you describe. As for "utopia", or as they would say (((utopia))), against last I checked "blackpill" was a very common word
>>33494620
Get out of here with that shit
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>>33494620
I've just cottoned on to the fact that all of these images come from Depribooru.

>>33494625
Wow, didn't expect to see someone ask that. Great minds think alike?
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>>33494528
>But yes, you're right that anyone who unconditionally believes what /pol/, or even any board here, tells them is a fool.
I unconditionally believe what /d/ tells me and so far they haven't led me wrong
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>>33494641
How does hot sauce feel on your cock?
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>>33492113
>>33493588
No its more like a mm hm hm hm hm
I can't just describe it because its dialogue for an image.
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>>33494528
>What does that have to do with anything?
I'll take that as a no.

>Hey, a stopped clock can still be right.
So you're saying that reversed stupidity is not intelligence?

>>33494608
>worldbuilding
>literally writing in a ready-made world
And people don't write fan fiction just to write about those things, because you don't need to write fan fiction to do that.

You still just seem like you're playing up the badness of one unpopular thing while downplaying it for the one you personally like.
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>>33494634
Hey, now, we also sometimes post images from Ponibooru.

Not right now, but sometimes.
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>>33494789
The fuck are you on about mate?
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>>33494898
If you hover your mouse cursor over the red numbers, you can see the posts that that one is in reply to.
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Shortskirts more like shortpenis lol lmao
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>>33495118
Huh...
Does skirts like his fembois hung or with a dainty, feminine pecker?
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>>33495118
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>>33495497
So...
The latter?
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>>33495146
It would be fairly obvious, going just from his general representation of fembois, that he prefers small penises.
Do you not consume enough gaysmut featuring feminine men to see that at a glance?
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>>33495605
No, I don't...
I'm sorry.
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>>33495561
Disgusting.
The only good femboy is a straight one. Feminine male X big girl is top tier.
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>>33495862
Are you implying a femboi with a modest dick cannot be with a woman?
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>>33495882
I am implying that a big girl deserves a big willie.
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You know, the disgusting thing about skirt's current writing is fucking flash sentry. I really don't give a shit about femdom femboy harems or anything else, but just the sight of that abomination - EqG to boot - makes me retch.
Why is your taste so fucking shit man
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>>33496165
Nah, your taste's subpar. I wouldn't call it shit, but it ain't great. It's not even about "liking things I don't like"; you can tell quite a lot about a person by the things they like. Like how you are a flaming homosexual. Thing is, you aren't even the respectable type of homosexual.

It's still a highly subjective thing, but suffice to say, my opinion is that there's nary a man seriously into EqG or any of its characters that I would call likeable.
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>>33493529
>What does Flurry have to do with it?
Luna claims in Flurry's intro episode as shit as it was that her being an alicorn is "beyond even our understanding" while the book has both of them being born alicorns. Then Shadow Play has them as having their cutie marks as teenagers, while they only got them as adults in the book. It also has them find the Tree of Harmony after Starswirl had already left, while he led them to it in the book. The book also says that the Zebra were to the west of the Everfree Forest, whereas now Las Pegasus and the Luna Sea are to the west.

I like that the book had bat ponies and the "unicorns get fucked by raising the sun" stuff in it, but the show contradicts it and the show is what determines what's canon.

>When was that claimed?
In the Reflections comic.

>contradictions
The only contradiction is Twilight, who's been shown to be wrong about magic. Everything else is completely wrong (Dash and Gilda, Pinkie and the Rainboom) or too ambiguous to make definitive statements (Pinkie learning to ice skate).

>Edward VII permanently abolished lifetime marriage as a desirable ideal?
No, I'm referring to making Luna a prude because of the culture of her time, which would mimic the strictness of the 1800s.

>Dusk and Dawn
The oldfag one, which would be the first one.

>>33494154
>Discord
>Luna
>Changelings
>HWE
>time travel
Two. No question.

>>33494316
>couldn't get into the Winningverse for various reasons
Don't blame you. Cloud's a shit character to center a -verse around.

>>33494348
>tfw the monster takes on the form of Eliezer Yudkowsky to terrorize the thread

>>33494363
>Is there a way to argue about this?
What does the dragon/gayness have to do with the story? If it serves no purpose in the story other than to virtue signal, there's no need to mention it.
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>>33496198
The dragons were the main characters of the second work in the series. Their sexualities feed in to some plot points, a handful of which are major.
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>>33496198
>HWE
Human wearing equestria?
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>>33496165
Exactly
>>33496190
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>>33494154
S2 to about a few months before S4.

I'd say the issue wasn't so much that they started to fill in the lore gaps from S4 and after, but that what they filled it with didn't work, considering most of what they gave us before that did.
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>>33496198
>Luna claims in Flurry's intro episode that her being an alicorn is "beyond even our understanding" while the book has both of them being born alicorns.
Does the book actually say that? Where? And who says that Luna knows what Celestia does and doesn't understand? Maybe the sheltered Victorian just doesn't know how babies are made.

>Then Shadow Play has them as having their cutie marks as teenagers, while they only got them as adults in the book.
Who says they were really adults? They sure don't seem like it. Celie says that "we have lived far longer than this arrogant princess", but (1) maybe they're 19 and 17 while she's 16, (2) maybe she's being a typical teenage rules lawyer and using their combined ages, or (3) maybe she's just lying in case their journal is read.

>It also has them find the Tree of Harmony after Starswirl had already left, while he led them to it in the book.
Can't comment on that, as I haven't seen it. Still, "canon" doesn't mean "no contradictions", or there'd be no such thing.

>The book also says that the Zebra were to the west of the Everfree Forest,
When was that? I only see it describing a village hidden within the forest; presumably not their homeland.

>whereas now Las Pegasus and the Luna Sea are to the west.
A thousand years later.

>I like that the book had bat ponies
Are you confusing it with Festival of the Winter Moon?

>the show is what determines what's canon.
Not any part of it I've seen.

>In the Reflections comic.
Where? I sure don't remember it.

>>tfw the monster takes on the form of Eliezer Yudkowsky to terrorize the thread
I'd pay to see that.
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>>33496017
There's like five notable male characters in all of MLP.
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>>33496238
Horse' Warning Ew.
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>>33496653
Horses' Warm Estrus
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>>33496665
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>>33496647
And flash isn't one of them. Maybe he's mildly relevant in EqG, but didn't he get replaced even there? And as a pony, he's literally fucking nobody. Dr. Whooves has more presence than him.
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How the hell do you guys have a copy of the Two Sister's book? I've never seen a link to it anywhere.
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>>33496714
Behold, a link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0316282243/
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Idea.

Real crime novel set in canon Equestria. A serial killer mare's methods and how they impacted the cartoony, near death-less world of horseland. A lot less edgy and more horrifyingly depressing.
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>>33496883
So, Secret Life of Rarity but more realistic?
I'd read it.
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>>33496886
By the way is that worth reading?
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>>33496198
Cloud was mildly annoying at best. It was the rest of the characters that were just....unlikable. It happens a lot in fanfiction. Twilight and Luna are the most prone to it.
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>>33496952
If you come in expecting a serious look into the mind of a serial killer, you'll be probably be disappointed.
If you come in expecting a somewhat decent story about trauma and a serial killer serial killing creatures, and gets an eventual comeuppance, then yeah, it's pretty good.
If you want to see a faithful depiction of a justice system in action, though, be prepared to be disappointed an complain about it every time it's brought up for several years.
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>>33497026
Reading more and more about all manners of serial and spree killers, there's but one common factor: incompetent police. Especially with Dahmer - he could have never killed a single soul if only the local police were competent in investigating him. That, and the prejudice surrounding the homosexuals in Dahmer's time, even when the evidence against him was *fucking breathtaking*. The police officers ignored the dazed and naked potentially underage kid running home with an actual hole in his skull and the cadaverous smells in Dahmer's apartment simply because the two of them were gay.
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>>33497041
Remember something, always.

Incompetent Police = Criminal was being protected by higher authorities.
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>>33496714
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/foreignfiction/index.php?s=journal+of+the+two+sisters
I downloaded a scanned copy once, but I don't remember where and it might not still be online. >>18187398 seems to be incompletely archived.
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>"Uh, Twilight? I know you already told us what you were gonna be doin', but, uh, would you mind remindin' me?" Applejack asked hesitantly.
Thank Celestia for mud ponies, how would we ever write convenient expositions without them
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>>33496714
Wellm Rome has a copy if you really need one.
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>>33497072
Only if said criminal was somebody, in which case they would never be heard about anyway. Those are a bit of a minority. All of the famous serial killers are po-dunk nobodies.
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>>33497085
The fuck is that website?
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>>33497343
It's an ebook archive. What's not clear?
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>>33494373
>The ONLY way to make that work is to somehow realistically weave the diaper fetish porn into a compelling narrative, making the story good AND keeping the porn a central part of it. In theory, that's possible, but in practice, that's so extremely unlikely as to be essentially impossible.

It's possible.
Start with the French.
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>>33497446
The URL.

>>33497117
Who?
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>>33498063
>The URL.
It's an Ecuadorian domain pretending to be a Russian one, I guess? I don't really know.
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>>33496883
Sounds depressing and unpleasant to read, to be honest. But then, for me, horsewords are escape literature. If I want grimdark I can turn on TV news. Your mileage may vary, of course.
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https://www.fimfiction.net/story/421045/the-gems-of-creation-part-1

Just finished Chapter 1-6 of this story so far. Again, I hate to be a bother, but if there are any critiques to be made, I would like to see them so I can be a better writer. Thank you.
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>>33498407
>This story is the result of two guys playing around with an RP and making it into a story format: Me, and TheFlamesOfSorrow
oof
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Give me a page-turner with a lot of words please, I need something to do on my commute
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>>33498453
Austraeoh
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>>33498437

Edited that info out. Good! I don't want to scare people away. Anything else?
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>>33498475
Already finished up till Ofolrodi
Next
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>>33498453
There's the Bullet Series:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/174483/bullet-point
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/178268/bullet-storm
One of the best murder mysteries on the site.

Dangerous Business and Besides the Will of Evil:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/182859/its-a-dangerous-business-going-out-your-door
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/183040/besides-the-will-of-evil
The first is one of the earliest grand adventure stories of thefandom, reminiscing of The Hobbit, or TLotR. It shows its age, but it's still fun.
I can't say the second one is a great warfic, because this is the only pony story about a war I've read, but I loved it, and it has one of the best antagonists in pony fanfiction I've seen.

Keeping it Simple:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/3513/keeping-it-simple
It's one of my all time favourites. Slice of Life about Big Mac and how he finds himself and finds love.

Twilight Sparkle of the Royal Guard:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/230072/twilight-sparkle-of-the-royal-guard
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/260317/twilight-sparkle-of-the-royal-guard-the-rising
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/346461/twilight-sparkle-of-the-royal-guard-knight-of-nights
Excellent adventure series. The (real) third part is coming out as soon as the author is done with another series.
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>>33498453
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/98568/mlp-time-loops
Not deep, but moderately fun. It's a collection of snippets by different authors, with no real overarching story.

Someone really needs to organize it so you can find the parts of individual serials, though. Lots of them are unfinished and abandoned, and others have parts so far apart that you could forget what's going on between them.

Also:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/11496/infernal-machines / https://www.fimfiction.net/story/14777/contraptionology
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>>33498655
I would second this endorsement of Time Loops with a caveat.

There is some kind of meta-story going on, pertaining to fanfiction-as-alternate-reality and the-one-true-reality-in-which-all-others-are-being-run-as-simulated-universes. Basically it's the Yggdrasil mainframe from Ah My Goddess, on which Belldandy works as a sysadmin while she isn't granting wishes. Is this both kind of silly and kind of meta? Yeah, probably.

Most of the stories are mashups with various other properties, usually but not always anime. "What if Shinji Ikari woke up one day in Prince Blueblood's body, and vice versa?" They're short and silly and sometimes entertaining in a surrealist slapstick kind of way. A lot of others, though, are "Character A, whom the authors like a lot, has by this time lived a gorillion lifetimes through all possible combinations and permutations of the series from which we borrowed him or her, and mashups and fusions with everything from giant robot anime to Brazilian 1970s telenovelas to all the different Star Trek series, and has become godlike in his/her magical powers plus super-rational(tm) plus dangerously genre savvy(tm), and we are using Character A to write a story in which Character B, whom we don't like nearly so much, gets bitchslapped over and over by Character A. Because this amuses us. And it's cheaper than therapy."

The shortest stories therefore tend to have the highest chuckle-to-paragraph ratio, IF you are familiar with the sometimes-obscure Chinese cartoons, 1990s video games, and so on that are being brought in and mashed up. If you aren't, they're just weird shit that won't make the least little bit of sense to you. And the longer a Time Loops story is, usually the more different properties are getting mashed up, so, you do the math.

There are gems to be found--and a whole lot of tiresome hatefics, and a metric assload of crossovers with obscure shit that assumes you already know all about the obscure shit.
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>>33484368
Does anyone remember a really short fic about a pony that dreams of a happier life for itself, but turns out it's an actual horse in a stable and works itself to death? I don't even remember if it's a greentext story or what.
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>>33499172
Somewhere Only We Know?
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/65/somewhere-only-we-know
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>>33499187
That's it. Damn anon, that was quick too. I thought it would be more obscure or something. Thank you.
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>>33499200
There's a Rainbow Dash Presents for it too so it's not very obscure
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[Pt. 1]

>>33496629
>Where?
The book never overtly says it, but the fact they didn't have cutie marks and were taught the Royal Canterlot Voice as foals implies it.

>just doesn't know how babies are made
Celestia's standing right next to her in the scene and makes no attempt at correcting her.

>"canon" doesn't mean "no contradictions", or there'd be no such thing.
In order for something to be canon, it has to comply and maintain continuity with the source material (the show). The book no longer follows the show, so can't be called canon. It's a classic problem most media has: the people working on the source don't give a shit about the extended universe and freely disregard it at will.

>presumably not their homeland
She goes through the Everfree Forest and walks out onto a savanna ("I walked out and saw a place I'd never seen before in all of Equestria. Tall grass was now under my hooves and covered the land in front of me.") It's pretty clearly their "homeland."

>A thousand years later.
An ocean enveloped the Zebras' land and moved into Equestria? That must have been one hell of a millennium.

>Festival of the Winter Moon
Yeah. Can't keep track of the EU.

>Not any part of it I've seen.
If you reject the show forms the canon of the setting than there's not really any point in arguing anything, since your basis and mine are opposed.

>Where?
Little under halfway through the first part. There's a flashback to "hundreds of years ago" where Celestia complains about Luna edging toward NMM to Starswirl (which is, itself, a continuity error given Starswirl was out of the picture way before NMM was starting). Looks like it's supposed to be a Gilligan cut off Twilight's comment, but it still counts.

Also, damn does the first person in the Journal read like shit and sound nothing like either Luna or Celestia. Teens or not I'd still expect them to at least sound similar to themselves.
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[Pt. 2]

>>33496714
Based anon delivered the storytime way back when: https://yuki.la/mlp/32289337

>>33496952
No, it's a shit serial killer story. And its depiction of a justice system triggers me about as much as Beating the Heat triggers Cancerino.

>>33498407
>Violence
>Death
>Comedy
Unless the story employs the adult swim style of dark humor, I'm questioning this. Tags are for major components of the story. Some lighthearted scenes and jokes doesn't require the comedy tag. It's only there if the entire story as a comedic tone to it.

The synopsis sounds eerily familiar. I remember discussing the "question style" of synopsis before. One problem with questions is I, the reader, have to care about the answer in order for them to be compelling. I don't know who either of these characters are. I don't really care if they live or die since I have no investment in them at the start. And I'm not concerned about possible shipping for similar reasons.

>*Thump*
It's inadvisable to use comic sound effects in a written work. Int his case it's enitrely unnecessary since the scene already conveys he bumped his head. There's no need for a written sound effect since the reader can infer that some noise was made.

>claws once more.*
Don't know what the asterisk is for. It shows up a couple times but there's no footnote to go along with it. I'm assuming it's a fragment from the original RP formatting?

I only skimmed the first chapter but I can say it never really hooked me. OCs are challenging to base a story on and i think the issue, for me, was that I prefer a slower burn for my OC fics. I want to really get to know the characters, what they're all about, the worldbuilding, etc. before the story kicks in. Here, we start getting dumped into the plot halfway through the first chapter and the pacing in general seems really fast.
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>>33488961
Everyone else they used the elements on was either banished or turned to stone.
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>>33499372
Well, you mean, the one person they used the elements on was turned to stone. Celestia probably thought the same thing would happen to Luna and she could cool off for a couple of days before releasing her.
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>>33499380
>one person
sombra too
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>>33499386
What fanfic are you mixing up with canon to make this post?
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>>33499386
It's never stated that they used the elements on Sombra. The flashback explicitly shows that Celestia and Luna beat him with their own magic.
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>>33497085
Damn, I tried to download their database and it was basically unreadable. I wonder what gems they're hiding?
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>>33499260
>In order for something to be canon, it has to comply and maintain continuity with the source material (the show).
So what you're saying is, the show is only canon to the extent that it doesn't contradict other parts of the show?
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>>33499671
Probably bots to hijack your computer.
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>>33499262

Thank you. I'll take a look at it again and adjust the tags.
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>"routing papers"
What the fuck does this mean? I hear it's an americanism?
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>>33500426
It's probably pretty obvious from the context, which you have sadly neglected to provide.
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God help me, I needed a thesaurus for one of my chapter headings and I'm seriously starting to think that using some form of the word "aftermath" is a great idea.
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>>33500806
Why not go with a simpler wording?
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>>33500822
Such as? I nearly went with 'matter arising' or 'remaining issues'.
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>>33500928
So you're looking for something along the lines of 'unfinished business' then?
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>>33500958
Yeah. That exactly.
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>>33499260
>The book never overtly says it
And the show never overtly says that Spike's egg had the colors he claimed, or that the ponies calling the sonic rainboom a myth had never seen one, or that the pony who'd spent years studying unicorn magic had the most basic facts right about it. See how this works?

>Celestia's standing right next to her in the scene and makes no attempt at correcting her.
Yes, and? She necessarily would, because it would be "rational" or something?

>In order for something to be canon, it has to comply and maintain continuity with the source material (the show).
Pretty sure that that's not true; but moreover, what makes the show the "source material" and the book some kind of derivative work, rather than both being part of the same ongoing multimedia project? Seems like a circular argument.

>The book no longer follows the show, so can't be called canon.
>no longer
Has the book changed?

>She goes through the Everfree Forest and walks out onto a savanna ("I walked out and saw a place I'd never seen before in all of Equestria. Tall grass was now under my hooves and covered the land in front of me.") It's pretty clearly their "homeland."
Twilight says that "zebras come from a faraway land", while the Everfree Forest is right in the middle of Equestria. Though I guess there could be a portal.

>An ocean enveloped the Zebras' land and moved into Equestria? That must have been one hell of a millennium.
Even if you assume that their land was west of the forest, rather than inside it or on the other side of a portal inside it, the official map has plenty of land between the forest and the sea/ocean.

(Speaking of which, doesn't the official map originally come from a book too? Doesn't that make it equally non-canon?)

>There's a flashback to "hundreds of years ago"
Just checked; so there is. A thousand is ten hundreds, though.

>Starswirl was out of the picture way before NMM was starting
Is that another thing from seasons 7 and 8?
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>>33499187
Based song with an even more based cover by Lily Allen.
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>>33499262
>>>32289337
>Stuff from this book was brought up in this week's episode
So...the people working on the "source" *do* give a shit about the extended universe?
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>>33500426
The mental image this conjures for me is a vast bureaucratic network across which various paper documents move around in exceedingly complex fashion, to the extent that how they must get somewhere isn't even obvious most of the time so there's a non-trivial problem of routing them through the bureaucracy.
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>>33501243
I liked the animation with the bear.
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On a lark, I just checked my high-school/early college era, long-dead ff.net account for the first time in years. It's where I posted a few fanfics long before I got into pony, and I was surprised to discover that, not three months ago, someone had taken the time to read and comment on all my ancient stories.

Those stories weren't very good, but this person seemed to really like them, and left a rather mournful note on the longfic I abandoned some 15 years ago, lamenting that it would clearly never be finished, and hoping that I was doing well and still writing, wherever I was.

Have any of you ever had this experience? It's a complex feeling, with a mix of encouragement, pride, shame, and melancholy, and I'm having trouble processing it. I suppose this thread isn't the greatest place to go for "processing," but I know there's some other people here who have written older stuff, so I thought I might ask.
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flaminghomophone

i hope that my thread hijaacking served you well last thread.

i just ask you to have the game to be downloadable, and that you can pass the torch if you die, so other people can develop it
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>>33501871
Ah, the Pit of Voles, where good fic ideas go to die.
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>>33501970
It did. Thanks for introducing me to BonesWolbach in particular, he does great work.

I wouldn't mind sharing the game file if enough people cared. You could probably find most of it just by viewing the page source anyway.
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>>33501871
I've seen people lament unfinished greentexts that I wrote back in 2013, although that's now a couple of years ago. It's so weird to see people reminisce about things that I don't only have no intention to finish, but that I'm also embarrassed to have written. A part of you wants to accept the praise, and in turn help them out by finishing it, but at the same time you know that you don't actually care for the text anymore.

Somewhat related, on the topic of people wishing that you're doing well:
>meet some people on a forum
>join a starting tabletop campaign that will be played online
>start hanging out in a chatroom
>chat daily for over a year
>roleplaying becomes secondary to just hanging out and shitposting
>some life stuff happens, i fail to post for a long time
>days become weeks
>feel like i've abandoned them and just vanished
>figure that everyone's probably upset at me for just cutting contact
>feel like a dick because of that, avoid logging back on because i feel like i've burned that bridge
>stop thinking about it
>over a year passes
>log back on for an unrelated reason
>immediately i'm getting messages from the people i used to hang out with
>stuff like: "hey, how are you doing?", "we were really concerned something had happened to you!", "do you want to come back?"
I know it's not a big deal, I was just pleasantly surprised that anyone would express concern or compassion on the internet. Maybe 4chan is to blame for that notion.
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>The Crossed Virus makes its way into Equestria
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>>33484368
Protip: FimFictionNet went to hell in 2014 and has been going downhill ever since. These days all you'll find are talentless hacks who will do nothing but downvote and criticize anything you write, no matter how good it would be so do yourself a huge favor and don't bother going to that site. You can actually do much better green texting stories right here.
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>>33502482
Sure thing, Bleedin'.
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>>33502469
Did that comic ever update?
I think it only had like four pages.
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>>33499773
The show is canon in that it is the originator of the setting, worldbuilding, characters, etc. Every other work must build off of the original in order to confirm it's existing in the world of the original.

>>33500426
>I hear it's an americanism
I've never heard of it. I'm guessing it means "filing" or "transferring?"

>>33500928
>Postscript
>Epilogue
>Conclusion
>Denouement

>>33501147
>See how this works?
I see you're going to take the autism route and not understand how context works.

>She necessarily would, because it would be "rational" or something?
So rather than correct Luna and say "Oh no, this isn't a brand new occurrence we've never seen before in thousands of years. It's actually entirely normal and not something to freak out about." she instead didn't say a word and allowed everyone to freak out over something they had no reason to because Luna's a drooling retard who doesn't know how births work? Sorry, not buying that particular headcanon.

>what makes the show the "source material" and the book some kind of derivative work
See above. The show's the origin and, thus, what everything else has to follow. If the books came first, I'd expect the show to follow them.

You're welcome to say the book or the comics exist in an official AU but you cannot say they exist in the same universe the show does since events are contradictory.

>Has the book changed?
No, rather, the show showed the events that the book covered. Events which occurred different.

>while the Everfree Forest is right in the middle of Equestria
I know. Hence the continuity error. There was some wiggle room at the time the book was published since the map was still just some poster that had been made (and it was retconned several times as well), but once the show itself started using it...

>the official map has plenty of land between the forest and the sea/ocean
Yeah, land that's covered in forests and mountains. There's no place for a vast savanna to exist.
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[Pt. 2]

>Is that another thing from seasons 7 and 8?
Yup. Sunburst even says Starswirl's disappearance was a "thousands of years old mystery."

>>33501488
>this week's episode
Do you mean one of the Youtube shorts? Because the show's currently in the hiatus before S9. There was no episode this week.

>>33501871
>tfw the guy that wrote the NASCAR Lion King fic commented on your oneshot you wrote years ago
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>>33502725
>NASCAR Lion King fic
That sounds frighteningly autistic.
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>>33502722
>because Luna's a drooling retard who doesn't know how births work?
But you have to remember she's pure! She probably doesn't know how a vageenes or a peenor work.
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I hit 300 followers recently but I felt so deflated because I'm been unable to write anything I didn't bother posting a blog post in celebration. Any tips for rekindling my love for writing?
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>>33503054
Read more. It's what I do.
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>>33503075
What type of stuff?
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Which of these should I read next?
Off The Edge Of The Map
The Enchanted Library
Fallout: Equestria - The Chrysalis
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>>33503172
Off the Edge of the Map
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>>33502732
"So, Dale Earnhart, Jr., once again you appear to interfere with my plans," snarled Scar.
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>>33503735
>"You picked a racecourse with only left turns, Scar. This is MY HOUSE! This is what I DO!"

"Curses! If only I, an animal, could tell the difference between right and left!"
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>>33503054
I need to get back to writing. The only thing holding me back is my unwillingness to sit at a desk for a long period of time and type, for whatever reason.
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What the fuck is the point of Fallout: Equestria?
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>>33504105
Stunned disbelief at the fact that something like that can not only exist, but work.
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Bruh dick fic lmao
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Happy Valentine's Day faggots, don't do what I will.
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>>33505182
But it's still the thirteenth...
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>>33505191
>he doesn't live in best country or best time zone
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>>33505194
Hey, my country is great!
It's just the people who suck.
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>>33505238
I feel that way about the state I live in.
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>>33502189
i am not a IT guy
i will have trouble playing the game like that... if i could play the game at all

idk what about a zip file of the html page i can open in browser or something?
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>>33502189
i care
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What do you guys think of this description?
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Almost every story I'm reading has stopped updating.
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>>33502722
>The show is canon in that it is the originator of the setting, worldbuilding, characters, etc.
And what constitutes "the" setting, worldbuilding, characters, etc.? Again, circular. Not to mention that half the characters and worldbuilding were imported from past generations.
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>>33502722
>I see you're going to take the autism route and not understand how context works.
The context being...that you're rationalizing things you want rationalized, while I'm rationalizing things you don't want rationalized?

>So rather than correct Luna and say "Oh no, this isn't a brand new occurrence we've never seen before in thousands of years. It's actually entirely normal and not something to freak out about." she instead didn't say a word and allowed everyone to freak out over something they had no reason to because Luna's a drooling retard who doesn't know how births work? Sorry, not buying that particular headcanon.
You're the one who called a "Victorian-esque" Luna "good".

>See above. The show's the origin and, thus, what everything else has to follow. If the books came first, I'd expect the show to follow them.
But the episodes of the show that contradict the books mostly come *after* them. And the show itself is just one entry in the much older MLP franchise.

>You're welcome to say the book or the comics exist in an official AU but you cannot say they exist in the same universe the show does since events are contradictory.
The books, comics and show all exist in this universe. They all portray fictitious events in the fictitious world of Equestria. Because those events aren't real, and are instead made up by various writers as they go along, they're free to contradict each other without the actual media disappearing in a puff of logic.

>it was retconned several times as well
Just expanded and details added, as far as I know.

>Yeah, land that's covered in forests and mountains. There's no place for a vast savanna to exist.
Are we looking at the same map? There are forests and mountains, but there's plenty of space between them. It's not as though the map is to scale, or as though the book makes any claims about how big the "savanna" was.
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>>33505507
>>33505510
Right click on the page and select "Save as...". That'll give you a HTML file you can open in Twine. I use the Harlowe 2 format.
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>>33502725
>Yup. Sunburst even says Starswirl's disappearance was a "thousands of years old mystery."
Huh. So there's a whole 900+ years of missing history between the founding and the sisters' arrival? That'd definitely wipe out the Journal. (Though I'd just as soon write it off as hyperbole or a slip myself.)

>There was no episode this week.
The comment (linked to from one with suspiciously similar formatting to yours) was from April. I didn't quote correctly; it was linked as https://yuki.la/mlp/32289337.
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>>33505811
>not glorious sugarcube 2
You're the guy who made that chess thing, right? Is all of this about some new thing you're writing?
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>>33505787
Weird. Spike's a kid. They literally call him a "baby". Despite the fact that he'd probably be over 18 if time passed on the show, he's tiny, dependent and (last I checked) frequently displays very poor emotional regulation and self-control.

>Will update every Thursday!
...like, indefinitely? I feel like that rarely bodes well for a fic; is it going to like (what I've read about) Silver Glow's Journal, with endless chapters of whatever mundane everyday activities the author can come up with?
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>>33505833
>...like, indefinitely?
Why on earth would you assume that? Even Silver Glow's Journal had a planned end date (and had it from the beginning - her foreign exchange program lasts a year, and then it's over)
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>>33505823
Figured I was too dumb for sugarcube when I first started out. I'd make the switch now, but it seems like a bit of a chore to rewrite everything at this point.

Yeah, that small chess cyoa was me. It's a small portion of the text adventure I work on. I've brought it up here once or twice, but never actually shared the full thing. Here it is if you care to take a look.
https://flaminghomophone.neocities.org/Untitled%20Text%20Adventure%20v.62.html
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>>33505833
It's set a few years after the show. One of the plot points is that Spike just recently turned 18 and Starlight feels a bit weird about it.
I also made him go through a growth spurt to make the sex more physically comfortable and so they don't have to twist their bodies too much to kiss during sex.
I should probably make it clear in the description that Spike is aged up.
>...like, indefinitely?
For ten weeks. All chapters are written (sans the last two) and I'll just give it a few final edits before uploading weekly for maximum exposure.
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>>33505880
Well, congratulations on being a porn writer, I guess.
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>>33505939
If you wanted to be more accurate, you should've added 'shitty' before the 'smut'.
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>>33504105
It's misery porn. Some people are into that.
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>>33505788
Entropy increases.
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>>33506018
I didn't feel like I needed to state the obvious.
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>>33505788
Which are the ones that still update?
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>>33506085
You clearly haven't read very far in then.
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[Pt. 1]

>>33502732
It was actually really cool, even if disbelief straining. It was a hunting race that happened in a giant canyon, complete with various racing-related dramas. A nice break from the standard Lion King fics.

>>33505806
>And what constitutes "the" setting, worldbuilding, characters, etc.?
The things which are depicted in the show.

>>33505808
>The context being...
The context being that they were alicorn foals without cutie marks, who were taught by a race of alicorns. Which makes more sense: they were born alicorns or they somehoe became alicorns as infants without obtaiing their special talent?

Meanwhile, you're arguing that Spike's egg, which was seen in the show, isn't actually green and purple because a character didn't actually verbally confirm it was.

>You're the one who called a "Victorian-esque" Luna "good".
What does shitposting about pure Luna waifus have to do with her not knowing how childbrith works?

>mostly come *after* them
And? The show is the basis the rest of the universe is built off of. Every future book, comic, etc. will be using the show's version of events and completely disregarding those of previous books, comics, when they conflict with the show. The show is the star the rest of the Gen 4 franchise orbits around.

>they're free to contradict each other without the actual media disappearing in a puff of logic
But they cannot coexist in the same "reality." Only one set of events can happen in one setting. Either the events depicted in the show happened in the show's "reality" or the comic's did. They both could not have occurred.

Which is why the AU can exist to write off the continuity error. The comics live in their own "reality" and the show lives in its.
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[Pt. 2]

>Just expanded and details added, as far as I know.
Nah, the 2015 version retconned things. There's a new isthmus (if that's what you can call it) that cuts the "Luna Sea" in half in the 2015 version that wasn't there in the original map.

> there's plenty of space between them
For a savanna? Which requires specific climate conditions to exist? In an area with complete weather control? Why would the pegasi completely terraform a section of the country to shift from a tropical savanna climate to a temperate continental climate?

>the book makes any claims about how big the "savanna" was.
Luna's description makes no mention of mountains, so the area in your pic at least can be ruled out, unless you want to argue Equestria went through a period of cataclysmic tectonic activity in the 1000+ year gap.
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>>33505939
>with a coat of cum-white coat
>as a hermaphrodite
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>>33505939
>everything in that entire description
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>>33505939
>20 is a low stat
>30 is a high stat
what variable range are we working with exactly here?
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>>33506151
It doesn't really matter, shitty stats still let you beat up Applejack, which is the first step towards seducing her.
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>>33506151
1-24, 25-49, 50-74, 75+. If I ever get around to it, I'll have the stats soft cap at 100, with only unicorns being able to go beyond 100 int, only earth ponies go beyond 100 str, etc.
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>>33506171
How many flavours of rape will the finished product have?
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>>33506174
As many as it takes until knight complains about it.
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>>33506181
>not rounding numbers
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>>33506193
>implying you didn't find the Equestrian bank's rarest and most useless denomination coin
But for real, thanks for the bug testing, whether you intended it or not.
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>>33506216
>the -0.000000000001 coin
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>>33506216
It's very intentional.

I got that amount from farm work, by the way.
>(set: $farmpay to ((random: (1,6)) + (random: (1,6)) * 0.1) * ($brawn * 0.5))
If you want to keep that formula, you should at the very least apply some rounding.

Oh, and the adventurer's guild encounter (Explore28) is a complete dead end that you can only get out of undoing it all.
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>>33506233
>a coin with a big 6 at the very top and a trail of increasingly small 9's rimming the circumference
>for when you really want to say 'fuck you' to whomever has to give you change
>>33506246
I appreciate it. I've already put this thread in the credits for helping me before, but I'd be happy to put down a specific name, if you want. It ain't much, but everyone should get their due.
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>>33506281
>I'd be happy to put down a specific name, if you want
There's no need for that.
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>>33505880
Was there an update since you last posted it in that other thread?
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>>33506321
I respect that.
>>33506437
Other thread? The last time I shared it was three weeks ago or so in a thread asking for random pony-related projects, hence the fellow trying to supply me with background images. But yeah, I've added a few things since then. You can check for an updated version by adding .01 to the version number.
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>>33506462
Yeah I was in that thread and saw your game last time, it's nice to see you're working on it. Thanks for the tip too, I'll be sure to check for new versions every once in a while
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I started thinking about TMA again. The idea of an absurdly overpowered Twilight visiting Celestia's school to give a quick lesson is a pretty fun one. They'd show her an illusion and she'd hit it with so much autism that they'd all be left in stunned silence. Knowing rational fics, they'd even find a way to make it awkward.
>"Sorry anon, you're still young. I could tell if was an illusion because the raphe of your scrotum wasn't aligned properly. Don't feel bad, you're years away from being an alchemist, but it's a dead giveaway to anyone who knows their anatomy".
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What's the best alicorn thing for Rainbow Dash? I've seen her be the alicorn of the weather, but that's never made sense to me. After all, that was never her talent. Loyalty kind of makes sense, but it's a cop-out. The only other things that I could think of were pranking, which steps on Pinkie Pie's toes but that may be exactly why it'd be great, or speed, which just seems dumb.
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>>33506586
How about none? The only alicorns are meant to be Luna and Celestia.
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>>33506586
Dash is the Princess of Fast
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>>33506786
>Master of Faster
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>>33506567
>I started thinking about TMA again.
Please don't do that
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>>33505905
>I should probably make it clear in the description that Spike is aged up.
Still weird. They met when he was a baby and she an adult [and evil]. How much time has passed? How much older is she than him? Has he passed any other markers of adulthood, like moving out, working for a living, asking out other females or finding his real parents?

(I'd attach that comic about Starlight being 732 years old, if the site would let me.)
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>>33506110
I just want to make sure I understand your position here -
If Hasbro & DHX made a new spinoff series, but some of the spinoff episodes contradicted parts of the original show, then those episodes would be non-canon
But if they made the exact same episodes, with the exact same contradictions, but they called those episodes "Season 9", then they would be canon
Have I got that right?
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>>33506691
This to be quite honest famalamadingdong.
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>>33507137
Not him and I haven't followed most of the reply chain, but yes that's literally the definition of canon. Unless of course Hasbro explicitly states otherwise, for instance by stating clearly that the spinoff is meant to be canon too, or by not just contradicting but rather explicitly retconning the earlier stuff.
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>>33506110
>The things which are depicted in the show.
So... literally circular.

>>33507145
Maybe you should spell out "the definition of canon" as you understand it?
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>>33505808
>The context being that they were alicorn foals without cutie marks
"Because Alicorns age at a different rate than the rest of the pony races, Luna and I don't have our cutie marks yet. Being a "blank flank" at our age never felt unusual. I've always known that I would get my cutie mark at the proper time. But now that we are surrounded by so many ponies who have their cutie marks and are so much younger than we are, I must admit, it feels a bit odd."
Which I guess casts doubt on >>33496629 regarding whether they could have been teenagers.

>who were taught by a race of alicorns.
Luna says they were taught by "the" alicorns. If anything, it makes more sense for that to refer to a handful who earned their position than by an entire reace.

>Which makes more sense: they were born alicorns or they somehoe became alicorns as infants without obtaiing their special talent?
Where are you getting "infants"? Maybe you wouldn't find fiction so confusing if you didn't keep mixing up your own headcanons with canon.

>Meanwhile, you're arguing that Spike's egg, which was seen in the show, isn't actually green and purple because a character didn't actually verbally confirm it was.
So you still can't distinguish the meaningless object-level question of what color Spike's egg was from the actual question of when you can and can't rationalize a seeming contradiction.

>What does shitposting about pure Luna waifus have to do with her not knowing how childbrith works?
Victorians were infamous for their secrecy regarding the mechanics of reproduction.

>And? The show is the basis the rest of the universe is built off of. Every future book, comic, etc. will be using the show's version of events and completely disregarding those of previous books, comics, when they conflict with the show.
That last qualifier would seem to negate your whole point.
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>>33507194
Meant to reply to >>33506110.

>The show is the star the rest of the Gen 4 franchise orbits around.
So you admit that there's more to the franchise than just the show.

>But they cannot coexist in the same "reality." Only one set of events can happen in one setting. Either the events depicted in the show happened in the show's "reality" or the comic's did. They both could not have occurred.
There's a third option: neither occurred. Guess what I'm betting on.

>Which is why the AU can exist to write off the continuity error. The comics live in their own "reality" and the show lives in its.
You're free to keep that as your headcanon (headcanons?), but you'll end up with two fragmentary "realities", full of references that are supposed to point to something but don't. (Admittedly, fewer in the show than in the comics; but still some.) Both "realities" will also be full of their own internal contradictions.

>>33506115
>For a savanna? Which requires specific climate conditions to exist? In an area with complete weather control? Why would the pegasi completely terraform a section of the country to shift from a tropical savanna climate to a temperate continental climate?
Because ponies, who the temperate climate was better suited to, were the majority? And why does "tall grass" neceessarily imply "tropical savanna"?

>Luna's description makes no mention of mountains, so the area in your pic at least can be ruled out, unless you want to argue Equestria went through a period of cataclysmic tectonic activity in the 1000+ year gap.
It's not impossible, especially with Tirek's and Discord's attacks falling in that gap. But why would she suddenly mention mountains that had presumably been there her whole life?
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>>33507190
>Maybe you should spell out "the definition of canon" as you understand it?
What the owner (often the author; in this case, Hasbro and its authorized representatives, such as Vogel or Jim or the individual writers) says is canon. Implicitly, the main material (so the show) is canon, and spin offs are context dependent and in some cases can be ambiguous lacking official word either way.
It doesn't have to be contradiction free or self-consistent; and any unofficial material, no matter how much sense it makes, doesn't magically become canon unless the owner/writer says it is (whether directly or not).

For example, EqG is canon, because one of the writers explicitly said so on Twitter. The comics aren't canon as far as I'm aware, because they were never stated to be; I don't think there was an explicit rejection of them as canon, but from context it's clear that they're outsourced to a different studio, and there's that tweet explicitly saying the show (the main source of canon) and by extension Hasbro doesn't care to follow what the comics say - so it's quite clearly not core canon. You could extend the definition to say for example "comic canon", in which case the comic writers/owners also become a source of canon; but by default, "canon" when referring to MLP:FiM only includes material produced or approved as such by the writers, directors, and producers of the show MLP:FiM.
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>>33507065
Sorry, I had another night without much sleep.
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>>33507139
But honesty is Applejack's thing.
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>>33507092
I actually tackle that issue. I want to think I did a non shit job of addressing Starlight's many insecurities in the story, and that does come up early on.
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>>33507194
>Where are you getting "infants"? Maybe you wouldn't find fiction so confusing if you didn't keep mixing up your own headcanons with canon.
Not any of the people you're talking, to, but ponies get their cutiemarks early in life. Ponies in Apple Bloom & co.'s age range may not be infants, but they're still kids or preteens at most.
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https://www.fimfiction.net/story/432018/how-to-say-no

That was a great read. It's always nice to see stories that use sex to tell a bigger story, in this case, Twilight had sex with Spike and he never said no, so they continued to have sex for years. Spike never learned to say no.
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>>33507589
https://ifaq.wap.org/society/sayno.html
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Oh, God My eyes.
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>>33507674
I can never remember the name of the weird as fuck music video that's from...or what the video is supposed to be about in the first place except maybe warning against underage sex.
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>>33484368
dead fucking site
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>>33507888
Oh yeah?
If it's dead, then why does it have so many new users, huh?
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>>33507935
Created manually, that's pretty amateurish.
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>read a story
>Get several chapters in
>Sudden lesbian shipping in the core cast
>significant portions of the remaining story are directed towards it
>Its completely detached from the original premise
Ruins the whole thing for me every time.
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>>33508092
I wouldn't like to be in your place if you don't like lesbian shipping. You picked the wrong fandom to dislike girls with more girls.
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>Thinking of writing a down to earth Sparlight fic
>Check this thread
>Pic related
Would there any interest in another? Or should I not bother.
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>>33507633
>91. having fun gives me prickly heat.
that's not saying no...
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>>33507456
You probably want to at least get rid of that cover picture if you want Spike to seem like an adult.
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page 10 yo
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[Pt. 1]

>>33506567
>I started thinking about TMA again.
>TMAnon caught the Beating the Heat curse.
Have fun being reminded about it three years later by a random anon wondering if you died.

>>33506586
I don't think the alicorns have any shtick tied to them being alicorns. They're abilities are determined by their special talents. Sun = Celestia. Moon = Luna. Love = Cadance. Magic (Friendship) = Twilight.

>>33507137
>Have I got that right?
Yes. It's a headache when there's internal continuity errors with the show (like Twilight's speech about magic in Boast Busters) but within the show, newer material will generally overwrite older material if a direct contradiction occurs.

>>33507190
>So... literally circular.
How can the show not define the setting? There's nothing else if you subtract the show. It's what quite literally established everything.

>>33507194
>regarding whether they could have been teenagers
So what you're saying is the book has even worse characterization since they don't even have the excuse of being teenagers to explain their bizarre personalities compared to later.

>taught by "the" alicorns
The book also mentions "the" unicorns. Does that mean there's only a group of them? You're at the point where you're basing your arguments off of the use of an article in a sentence.

>Where are you getting "infants"?
You get your cutie mark in adolescence. They were alicorns and they didn't have cutie marks, meaning they were foal alicorns. If they weren't born alicorns, then they had to become them somehow like Twilight or Cadance. Twilight used her special talent to become an alicorn while Cadance either used her pre-existing special talent, or it manifested during the witch thing that made her an alicorn.

>meaningless object-level question of what color Spike's egg
I'm getting the increasing suspicion you're trolling since you're the one who originally brought up the "meaningless" question about Spike's egg color.
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[Pt. 2]

>negate your whole point
How does the fact that new EU materials follow the show, regardless as to what other EU material says, negate the point that... the EU follows the show. Are you having reading comprehension problems?

>there's more to the franchise
Of course. There wouldn't be an autistic argument over what's canon if the show was all there was, now would there?

>neither occurred. Guess what I'm betting on.
Glad to see you finally agree that some of the books and comics can't be canon since nothing is. It also begs the question as to why you're even arguing about something that didn't happen and doesn't matter.

>full of references that are supposed to point to something but don't
What does the show reference from the books/comics? It's all one way.

>were the majority?
So they decided to only terraform the savanna and not the deserts the buffalo were living in?

>why does "tall grass" neceessarily imply "tropical savanna"
Again, you're failing to take in context of a written scene. Not too surprising I suppose given you're arguing over the use of "the" in a sentence. They're zebra, living in huts, in an area of tall grass. What mental image does that invoke? A savanna or a weeded field?

>especially with Tirek's and Discord's attacks falling in that gap
Discord's shit resets when he's dealt with while Tirek lacks the power level. Mountains only exist when two plates collide over an incredibly long period. Tirek, even at his peak in S4, was only ever able to carve ravines.

>why would she suddenly mention mountains
She says she'd never seen the area before. Either she never saw the mountains previously, an odd thing to leave out when describing a brand new exciting area, or they didn't exist at the time--a near impossibility.
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>>33510303
>You get your cutie mark in adolescence.
Sort of like boobies?
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>>33510303
>the Beating the Heat curse.
Tell me some more
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>>33510303
>Beating the Heat curse
That sounds awfully familiar.
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>>33510591
Isnt that the Apple Bloom forces herself on Spike clopfic?
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>>33510775
Could a nigga have some sauce?
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>>33511946
Why am I even spoonfeeding you retards. There's a search bar, you know.
https://www.fimfiction.net/stories?q=Beating+the+Heat
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>>33507221
>What the owner (often the author; in this case, Hasbro and its authorized representatives, such as Vogel or Jim or the individual writers) says is canon.
That would seem to take us back to:
>>33486134
>There's no official canon policy excluding them
>>33493529
>Everything is canon until it's not. Nothing is canon until it is. The end.

(That's the Jim you mean, right?)

>The comics aren't canon as far as I'm aware, because they were never stated to be; I don't think there was an explicit rejection of them as canon, but from context it's clear that they're outsourced to a different studio, and there's that tweet explicitly saying the show (the main source of canon) and by extension Hasbro doesn't care to follow what the comics say - so it's quite clearly not core canon.
>by default, "canon" when referring to MLP:FiM only includes material produced or approved as such by the writers, directors, and producers of the show MLP:FiM.
Apart from the fact that granting IDW the license to sell their comics under the MLP:FiM title sounds like "approval" to me: Isn't Hasbro known to have specifically vetoed or ordered alterations to some comic storylines; thereby implicitly approving the rest?

>>33507471
>>33510303
What, exactly, is your interpretation of "Because Alicorns age at a different rate than the rest of the pony races, Luna and I don't have our cutie marks yet. Being a "blank flank" at our age never felt unusual" and "we are surrounded by so many ponies who have their cutie marks and are so much younger than we are"? The sisters were foals/infants, but the castle is for some reason full of even younger, cutie-marked ones? No wonder Platinum wanted to ride on Clover's back.

>Ponies in Apple Bloom & co.'s age range may not be infants, but they're still kids or preteens at most.
If you ignore how many annual events of various kinds have passed since they were introduced, maybe.
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>>33508291
Please, by all means write more Sparlight.
The only reason I'm writing one is because there aren't more of those.
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Oh boy, looks like my favorite MLP + furry space RPG crossover has finally updated!
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>>33512290
Huh, I was tracking that one. Good to know it isn't dead.
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>>33512290
>a fucking hc svnt dracones crossover
WHY
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>>33510303
Come to think of it, am I still talking to the same person? The original claims were:
>Reminder that the comics are not, and have never been, canon.
>[The Journal] isn't canon (thanks, Flurry)

So, the comics started out non-canon by default. But the Journal was originally canon by default, until Flurry appeared? What's the difference? What else outside the show is canon, or might be in the future?

>It's a headache when there's internal continuity errors with the show (like Twilight's speech about magic in Boast Busters) but within the show, newer material will generally overwrite older material if a direct contradiction occurs.
What does it mean for material to "overwrite" other material? Previously you said that "for something to be canon, it has to comply and maintain continuity with the source material (the show)". Doesn't the show failing to maintain continuity with itself thereby make it non-canon, and therefore (by principle of explosion) nothing else canon either, and the word meaningless?

>>33510304
>Of course. There wouldn't be an autistic argument over what's canon if the show was all there was, now would there?
But if we agree on that, what *are* we arguing over?

>Glad to see you finally agree that some of the books and comics can't be canon since nothing is. It also begs the question as to why you're even arguing about something that didn't happen and doesn't matter.
The post I was originally replying to said:
>Reminder that the comics are not, and have never been, canon.
That would seem to imply that there was such a thing as canon for the comics to be excluded from. But I've been told that I don't understand how context works, so I could be totally wrong.
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>>33511950
Isn't that (1) a comedy rather than a clopfic, and (2) a fic whose main point of controversy is Spike *not* scoring in the end? I thought there might be some other fic that >>33510775 was thinking of.
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Are you guys trying to set some record for the longest inane argument ever held in this thread?
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>>33512517
I remember we had some extremely autistic arguments about Secret Life of Rarity back in the day, but that honour belongs to everytime Fallacy!Anon dropped by.
Oh, where has the time gone?
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>>33512517
My dude, we have unironically burned entire threads (500+ posts) on inane arguments before.

Maybe >>33512538 can remind me - was that with Fallacy Anon? Or was it just normal, Rational discussion?
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>>33512708
>normal, Rational discussion
What passes for normal Rational discussion?
And yes, we've had discussions that spanned several threads with the unmentionable one back in '14 and '15. Then he fucked off to [r9k] and only dropped once to tell us how better he was than anyone else before flying into the aether, propelled by his own intellect.
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>>33510303
>but within the show, newer material will generally overwrite older material if a direct contradiction occurs.
If it gets retconned, yes, but more often than not they just silently contradict themselves for no reason other than they don't care enough. Meaning there's no reason why one should be "more canon" than the other.
>>33512099
>>Everything is canon until it's not. Nothing is canon until it is. The end.
Sounds about right to me, sure.

>granting IDW the license to sell their comics under the MLP:FiM title sounds like "approval" to me
Approval to go ahead with a side-series spin-off sounds different to me than approval to extend the main show canon. Imagine if someone wrote a letter to Tolkien saying "hey can I write fanfiction of your work" and Tolkien was like "yeah sure dude, I'm not gonna stop you".
>isn't Hasbro known to have specifically vetoed or ordered alterations to some comic storylines; thereby implicitly approving the rest?
No idea. Assuming that's the case (because I have no reason to doubt you), that would also make sense. In the above example, assume the random dude also wanted to sell those fanfictions, and then assume Tolkien was a hack who cared vastly more about money than about any sort of artistic integrity. That's an accurate parallel to Hasbro and IDW. Now then that wouldn't make that Fanfiction canon, but since it would be associated with Tolkien/Hasbro's name personally, a veto right to ensure nothing egregiously inappropriate makes it in would be prudent.

Ultimately, however, I think Jim has a good point anyway. This is a toy commercial. The "main canon" by strict definition, i.e. the show itself, alone, with no other sources, contradicts itself amply at multiple occasions; and a lot of other times, simply lacks continuity completely (see: Fluttershy perpetually learning to be assertive). I think that by convention, only the show is generally considered as primary "canon". (cont.)
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But there's no reason you couldn't consider the comics, or the Journal, or other similar things canon if you wanted. As a parallel, it's not uncommon for writers to reject parts of canon, by simply ignoring some later episodes or even season: the most obvious common types being stories set before Twilight ascended, and stories set before the treebrary died. Really, it makes sense to treat canon as context-dependent, when even the writers don't care about self-consistency and continuity (which are usually the main reasons to have a well-defined "main canon": to have it be a single source of truth for all in-universe lore; but when canon contradicts itself, it ceases to give a "single truth" for all cases).
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>>33513049
>assume the random dude also wanted to sell those fanfictions, and then assume Tolkien was a hack who cared vastly more about money than about any sort of artistic integrity. That's an accurate parallel to Hasbro and IDW
What if:
• Tolkien was hired by a publisher that legally owned the concepts of elves, dwarves and wizards
• He created a rich and compelling mythology around those concepts, but the publisher legally owned all of it
• The publisher, not caring about artistic integrity, employed other random dudes both alongside and after Tolkien to write in "his" mythology?

>Ultimately, however, I think Jim has a good point anyway. This is a toy commercial. The "main canon" by strict definition
...is the toys. (I thought that was where you were going with that.)

>>33513067
That seems like a different position than that a spinoff series that contradicted the original (which I feel like EqG probably does in places?) would objectively, by definition, not be canon.
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>>33513142
>That seems like a different position than that a spinoff series that contradicted the original (which I feel like EqG probably does in places?) would objectively, by definition, not be canon.
Yeah, because you made some good arguments, and then showed me the big jim quote. He's literally the main writer or producer or whatever he's working as right now, if he says "anything can b canon just b urself" then that's pretty much word of god and can't really be argued against. If George Lucas - or whoever fucking owns Star Wars now; say the Disney CEO for simplicity - came out and said "hey this random ass gay shipping fanfic from fanfiction.net is actually entirely canon in the SW universe", then it would be canon, simple as that. So Jim saying canon is whatever you want it to be means it's whatever you want it to be.

>...is the toys.
Unfortunately the toys have zero lore in and of themselves.
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>>33513187
>"hey this random ass gay shipping fanfic from fanfiction.net is actually entirely canon in the SW universe"


Oh you mean the new movies ;P
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>>33501871

Every now and then, somebody will favorite something ancient of mine instead of reviewing it. I typically send a PM thanking them for adding the story to their favorites. It's very rare, but a few of them have replied with some feedback or a compliment.

If the story is on something other than fimfiction.net and you have some time to spare, try entering the link to one of your older stories in Google or DuckDuckGo to see if it popped up on 4Chan or some other forum. The results can be interesting.
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>>33512306
>hc svnt dracones
What even is this?
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>>33513187
Fair enough.

>Unfortunately the toys have zero lore in and of themselves.
I'm sure they have a *little*. Characters; accessories; locations and the occasional flavor text. All freely disregarded by the show, of course.
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I guess in the end, canon was the friends we made along the way.
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>>33513542
It doesn't exist, yes.
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So...does that mean All American Girl is in some way or another canon to the show now?
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>>33513598
The show isn't a person; but it can be canon to you!
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>>33512290
>not Albedo or a homebrew GURPS Cyberpunk/Transhuman Space setting

pleb
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>>33513142
assuming you are >>33510303, but especially whoever >>33488533 is
I just wanted to thank you for your show
i am >>33488533 and while especially I don't agree with some of your opinions, i had fun watching you shit on the other guy for half the thread. if he somehow is not a troll, i feel sorry for him and his critical thinking deficiencies

have a moonhorse
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>>33514123
especially whoever >>33492447 is, rather than >>33488533
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>>33513469
It's a post-cyberpunk, post-human, furry RPG setting based around the premises of "actually it would be good if we were all ruled by megacorps" and "I want to be a cyborg-lion-centaur".
It's trash.

>>33513911
>GURPS Cyberpunk/Transhuman Space
My negroid.
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>>33514123
>>33513142 here. You appear to be confusing me with someone else and thanking me for shitting on myself. I am unsure how to respond.
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>>33514347
>You appear to be [...] thanking me for shitting on myself.
I honestly love this site.
I'll be sad when Hiro finally runs it into the ground.
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Anyone remember that story that was kind of popular on fimfic where a retired Solid Snake was EQG Pinkie's stepdad?
I can't find it anywhere.
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>>33514529
Nevermind. Decided to check good ol' fimfetch and found it.
https://fimfetch.net/story/292681/snake-pie
Seems the writer wanted to delete it.
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>>33514539
I can't imagine why
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>confe§ions, ch.2, part 1

>Confe§ion #1
AJ met Jade, a unicorn, while in Oklahoma last summer. Jade wants to stay out of any wizard wars, which is why she made AJ promise to keep her existence a secret. But AJ wants to make sure Sunset knows anything that could be useful in case of future wizard war.

AJ angsts a bit over whether it's okay to tell Sunset (instead of calling Jade on the damn telephone and just asking her), but eventually decides to confe§ her secret. She also gives Sunset an envelope from Jade, "to be opened only if either world is in true peril".

>Confe§ion #2
Ponk got raped, got pregnant, and got an abortion, all without telling the Cakes, her surrogate parents. But last chapter, she accidentally revealed a bit of the story while making excuses for poisoning two kids at Sugarcube Corner. In this one, she confe§es the complete story.

Nothing happens. She doesn't even get in trouble for the tapioca poisoning.

NOW FOR THE FUN PART
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>>33515380
>confe§ions, ch.2, part 2

Sunset opens the envelope. It's a note from Jade: she wants to be left alone, but will help with any wizard war if she's really, truly needed.

Sunset teleports out to Jade's college in Michigan for a chat. Jade's built a magic supercomputer, hacked the planet, and turned the whole internet into a worldwide dark-magic detection device. She also shares a bunch of research notes on the Ordo Duodecim, which is also the Knights Templar and the big bad for Phase 4.

Cut to Mrs. Honeycomb's POV. Turns out she's a bad guy, so this scene is a total edgefest.

Honeycomb lives in a boarded up house that she stole from another family, before turning them into hives for her magical bees. She's eating dinner (which consists mainly of magical silver honey) with her mind-controlled zombie of a husband and her lovely daughter Darque'ness Dementia Eulogy. One of her sons, Sprayer, comes downstairs to tell Honeycomb that Grandma wants to chat.

Grandma's almost dead (but not quite dead enough to make Honeycomb the matriarch). She's got a message from the Grandmaster of the OD. He originally sent Honeycomb's family to Canterlot to spy on Sunset, but now he's given up on that strategy. Too many of Sunset's friends are starting to develop magical "Gifts" of their own HYPE, so they need to move quickly. He wants to enact the "scorched earth protocol" (last used in London, 1666).

WIZARD WAR SOON

Randos from CHS getting powers is actually really good. Means we might get a proper SECRET wizard war, even though Sunset's entire family already knows everything. Either way, this is already looking like a big improvement over the last one. Sunset is actually aware that the bad guys exist, instead of blundering around being utterly useless right up until six hours before the big finale (and then steamrolling them anyway).
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>>33515380
>confe§
>confe§es
10/10.

>>33515384
>WIZARD WAR SOON
Wizard War never ever.
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>>33515406
>Wizard War never ever.
Yeah pretty much desu. It can't really happen until GAOA ends, and that shit is just going to keep dragging on for probably another 3-6 months. 150k so far and we still have to survive the coronation arc and probably one more big arc after that.
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>>33515384
Is every entry into the Shinverse trying to one-up the previous one?
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>mfw finally get around to Student of the Night
It's like Night's Favoured Child except last updated two months ago rather than five years ago, and with extra Dishonoured atmosphere
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Valentine's well and over.
Did any decent romance fics pop up?
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>>33515529
Seems that way, yeah. Edgelord McWerewolf (Phase1 big bad) used to work for Sombra (Phase3 big bad, kind of). And I didn't mention it, but in Confe§ions it's revealed that Divine Right (Phase2 big bad) is the "disgraced former apprentice" of the Grandmaster / Blind Sphinx (Phase4 big bad).
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For the writers here, if you're writing a longer story do you give yourself a bit of a buffer zone or just immediately publish your first chapter after finishing it?

>>33515653
>Student of the Night

Yeah it's pretty fun.
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>>33515809
of course not
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>>33515380
RAPE as source of CHEAP DRAMA and CHEAPER FEELZ. Yay!
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>>33515406
GA§ THE UNICORNS, WI§ARD WAR NOW
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>>33515384
>her lovely daughter Darque'ness Dementia Eulogy.

...I'm so sorry, I haven't been following this, but do you mean by this bit that the character is a total edgelord, or that the author is a total edgelord, or did an author who wanted to be taken seriously actually give a character a name like that, even ironically? Because I have no words.
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>>33516104
Wait, I thought Edgelord McWerewolf was human!Celestia's boyfriend?
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>>33518899
If you think this is cheap drama, wait until you see AAG

>>33518911
>did an author who wanted to be taken seriously actually name a character after one of the most infamous mary sues in all of fanfiction
Yeah, I embellished that one a little bit. But the kid's name is unironically "Darque Eulogy", which is pretty damn edgy on its own.

>>33519121
On the human side, Edgelord is Celestia's boyfriend.
On the pony side, he's a werewolf who worked for Sombra and was the big bad of A Hairy Problem. Or maybe his wife was? I don't actually remember
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>>33515809
Well, I finally got around publishing my story the oth>>33518751
Oh...
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>>33517452
First draft complete or nearly so, because I want to be sure I won't be rewriting the first chapter because brand new character in chapter 5 becomes crucially relevant in chapter 7 and needs to have been around since chapter 1. Might not worry so much if I did detailed outlining instead of winging it.
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>>33487906
>400,000 word RvB crossover
I'm going to read this and I already hate myself for it
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Could an anon rec me some fics that focus on Twilight and Luna? It doesn't have to be a relationship, just something where they are the two main characters. I read The Mare Who Once Lived On The Moon but it wasn't really what I was hoping it would be.
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>>33519735
I did ask this looking for romances, and there are only two good ones. "Archmage" and "Twilight's Plan"
On second look, Archmage has three seqels, all abandoned, so I don't know if they're any good but I don't intend to read them in that state.
I did read one other non-romance non-smut story that would fit the bill, "The Immortal Game" but it is an edgefest and overall I regret it.
"The Dark Apprentice" if you are desperate. A victim of the old "artist gives up before realizing their idea's potential at its critical moment" - it's great right up until the floor is pulled out from under you.
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[Pt. 1]

>>33510323
>muh puberty allegory

>>33512099
>specifically vetoed or ordered alterations to some comic storylines
They only veto comic plots that are similar to future show ones. Otherwise, they don't give a shit. It has been rumored they now enforce a "no OC reference" rule after that fiasco with the anti-brony, but I think that's just an /mlp/ rumor.

>>33512099
> the castle is for some reason full of even younger, cutie-marked ones
What are you talking about? The sisters are decades old but "age at a different rate," so while they're adults, culturally it was never strange to be a blank flank. This, in contrast to non-alicorns who get their cutie marks at a much younger age/ This only reinforces the alicorn race thing, as opposed to just being a small group. There wouldn't be a whole culture regarding cutie marks if it were just a small group of ponies who became alicorns rather than being born as them.

>If you ignore how many annual events
At most, a few years have passed. There's some suggestion it's only been a year but I find that absurd.

>>33512494
>The original shitposting was:
Fixed that for ya. I see you struggle to understand this thing called "exaggeration." It's quite commonly used on 4chan.

Every EU material is canon until it contradicts, or is contradicted by, the show. The comics can be interrupted two ways: either they, as a whole, count or don't; or each individual arc is assessed. Most, I think, employ the latter method when determining the canon status of the comics since each arc is basically a self-contained story with no relationship to the other arcs.
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[Pt. 2]

>What does it mean for material to "overwrite" other material?
Generally, newer stuff within the show takes precedent over older stuff, as it will usually provide better context or clarity for something (the NMM/Celestia fight, Twilgiht's comments about how unicorn magic works, AJ levitating the ticket in Ticket Master, etc.). I can't personally recall any direct retcons happening, it's just giving better clarification on things. Sadly, sometimes that clarification can be shit and it would have been better if they hadn't brought it up at all.

>thereby make it non-canon
No, the show is what defines what is and isn't canon. More specifically, the current version of the show is what defines canon. S5 inherently has different things in it than S1 had (more alicorns, more species, more locations, etc.), so canon has to be based on the up-to-date setting that the source material provides, even if it contradicts previous information in the source material.

>nothing else canon either
You're more than welcome to believe fanfics are canon if you want. You'd be wrong, but you can believe whatever weird nihilistic interpretation of canon you want "Canon" is merely used to give fans a definition of events that happened in the universe ("reality") the show takes place in.

>if the show was all there was
>But if we agree on that
>there was such a thing as canon for the comics to be excluded from
It's stuff like this that makes me think you're a brilliant troll. The weird contradiction that the show is apparently the only canon thing, then no wait, there is no canon. Cudos, if so, because it is a very good trolling.

>>33512517
No, that was the "NMM is Luna vs is an entity" argument from a while back. That went on for about three threads.

>>33513049
>why one should be "more canon" than the other
See above.
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[Pt. 3]

>>33513187
>the main writer or producer or whatever he's working as right now
He's a directer, meaning he's in charge of storyboarding and animating the script. He has no control over the content of the script, just over how it's interpreted. The story editor is the one in charge of writing and editing.

>>33517452
>publish your first chapter after finishing it
I've come to despise serial publishing since it puts extra pressure to deliver, prevents you from better planning and editing your story, and creates really shitty reading experiences where readers will have forgotten most of the story by the time it's actually finished. Meaning all the subtle things you did or subplots will be lost to time since it took three years to write it.

>>33519735
>Archmage ignore the serquels since they'll never be finished
>Cry for Eternity
>The Better Angel
>Aurora admittedly I don't remember this one that much
>The Princess of Books
>Night's Favoured Child

>>33519836
>all abandoned
Kind of hard to finish when the author goes and kills himself.
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>>33518911
Sounds likes a My Immortal reference.
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>>33519836
>"The Immortal Game" but it is an edgefest and overall I regret it.
Do tell? I've heard mixed things.

>>33519836
>artist gives up before realizing their idea's potential at its critical moment
What happened? That sounds very interesting.
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>>33520173
>serial publishing
Despite the fact that some great works of literature were serial works, most of your points are more or less why I think writing a fanfic that is also a great works of literature is absurdly difficult.
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>>33520259
I mean, if you just want me to spoil them.
For the most part, it's a DBZ powerlevel focused warfic. Lots of anime-style time compression analysis, and especially a "Mind Hive" trope exploited in the first chapter where Celestia becomes three Celestias to fight the villain Titan while implementing a breadcrumbs-style 5D chess backup plan for her inevitable Worfing.
The story spends an inordinate amount of time describing (mental and physical) anguish, detailing (mental and physical) torture, and also setting up for "badass" oneliners.
As far as Twilight and Luna go, the first part of the story revolves around a corrupted Twilight tormenting her friends while Luna and her friends try to save her. Then, Twilight and Luna team up to defeat the baddies and rescue Celestia. Corrupted Twilight takes the identity "Nihilus Nix Naught" which should tell you all you need to know.

For the other one, it is based on the idea that "My Faithful Student" is in fact a historic title with Luna's counterpoint "My Dark Apprentice"
Much of the story's drama comes from Celestia being aware that a new Dark Apprentice has been chosen, but not their identity. The story drops out right as Twilight starts to gain confidence in the new skills Luna is teaching her.
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>>33520259
>Do tell?
I'm not that guy, but the first chapter alone has several red flags: rationalist-tier mindsplitting, as well the usual >named magic swords. I name these two specifically since they're both unavoidable plot points that would require a total restructuring of the fic to fix. In other words, literal irredeemable elements to the story.

And that's just the beginning. The fic becomes irredeemable right after the timeskip, at which point the Mane 6 (sans Twilight) is turned into a commando hit-squad fighting an insurgency single-handedly against hundreds of foot-soldiers every day, which only remains uncrushed because Celestia's mother can't stop herself from indulging in some kinky BDSM fun with her own daughter. It's my pet theory that the entire insurgency 'arc' was written because the author loves writing braindead fight scenes more than Skirts does—except that the latter actually does a good job at them, while TIG's fight scenes are vidya-tier ABABAB bashing that'll leave you wondering if a better author would've even surpassed 100k words writing the same plot.
AestheticB himself notes that the story wasn't well-planned. Who the fuck inserts an OC of their own editor into the middle of a fic?

I'm not being fair to the fic; I liked it enough to read it a second time (much like our resident TMA autist). The first arc is mostly solid, and I'll contend that I would've appreciated the fic for what it was if the author had just split the story into a sequel then and there. I didn't have much qualms with the final arc either, other than the Fact that Esteem and Terra (and Astor) Did Nothing Wrong.
Overall, it's better than a S1-era fic has the rights to be.
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>>33520360
>Fact that Esteem and Terra (and Astor) Did Nothing Wrong
It's been a while since I read it, and I made no effort to remember the finer details but I'm fairly certain it was never implied that Astor did anything wrong. To the extent that you can't do wrong as a war hero. On the other hand, Esteem and Terra pretty much only did evil and as far as I remember Esteem doesn't even have the excuse of Terra's absurdly abusive upbringing.
>braindead fight scenes
This is totally ridiculous. One ff the few favorable points I would give to the fic are Twilight's creative abuses of physics made possible by magic for said fights. The other being that it definitely has worldbuilding, whether you like the author's ideas or not.
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>>33520360
>>33520389
>except that the latter actually does a good job at them
To add to this, I would also put TIG's fight scenes head and shoulders above skirts' for three simple reasons:
the fighting characters battle skills result from at least an attempt to provide training in-story, backstory or even canon, rather than arbitrary "they can they can"
the fight progression is coherent all of the time, rather than just most of the time, not least of which by way of fatigue
and most of all because it is not peppered with spelling and grammatical errors, not-words, and thesaurus cancer
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>>33519735
See >>33515653
Also apparently Apotheosis is highly praised, I personally still really need to get around to reading it
TMA
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>>33520389
>It's been a while since I read it, and I made no effort to remember the finer details but I'm fairly certain it was never implied that Astor did anything wrong. To the extent that you can't do wrong as a war hero.
It's been a long time since I've read it too, but I remember Astor being shown as a Founding Fathers 'hero of the past, enemy of today'. Something about Astor being too brutal for modern Equestria or something.
>On the other hand, Esteem and Terra pretty much only did evil and as far as I remember Esteem doesn't even have the excuse of Terra's absurdly abusive upbringing.
Twilight and the mane cast didn't deserve to win. In Esteem's case, 'Did Nothing Wrong' means that there wasn't anything wrong with his plans; Twilight beat him because of factors out of his control. It's irritating for a villain propped up for an entire arc to be shutdown by nothing but Twilight's power creep.

>This is totally ridiculous. One ff the few favorable points I would give to the fic are Twilight's creative abuses of physics made possible by magic for said fights.
That's not what I meant. The scenes are creative and engaging, but they serve no purpose. Do you really need three or more fight scenes to happen, back-to-back? How much of the combat actually developed the plot, the world, or the characters, and how much of it is just for show? Do you really need Rarara to jump off an exploding bridge from her abusive father, only to be caught by Dash's hooves?
Every fight from the 2nd arc screams over-the-top summer-blockbuster to me.
>The other being that it definitely has worldbuilding, whether you like the author's ideas or not.
What kind of adventure fic doesn't have worldbuilding? You would think that something like that'd be the bar minimum to be even called an adventure.
And as I've already stated—I don't deny the fic is above average. It's shit enough that it shouldn't be on anyone's recommendations list, though. Pic related.

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>>33519735
Oh yeah, also, The Celestia Code and sequels series has tuna shipping. CC itself doesn't feature Luna prominently at all, but it's a pretty good adventure fic and I'd recommend it anyway: it also sets the setting (har) and all the fics are direct sequels, so it's kinda needed to understand everything in the later ones. Then The Luna Cypher is where the shipping happens. The next two stories then move their focus away, but the two are in a relationship now so there are still scenes where they're together and stuff. (That said, the entries are generally agreed to get weaker as the series goes on, especially the last one (Skyla). I found them all fun to read anyway, but I wouldn't blame you got dropping it after LC, especially if you're only here for Luna.)
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>>33520426
>the fighting characters battle skills result from at least an attempt to provide training in-story, backstory or even canon, rather than arbitrary "they can they can"
See 2nd paragraph above. How fucking shit at writing do you have to be to resort to the trope of, "lol their're not real ponies so we can just massacre them all lol," to get around a mane cast that, by the show, shouldn't have the slightest inclination for violence? Rarara is the only one with an edgy backstory to actually justify this.
>the fight progression is coherent all of the time, rather than just most of the time, not least of which by way of fatigue
I've not had this problem with Skirt's writing. YMMV
>and most of all because it is not peppered with spelling and grammatical errors, not-words, and thesaurus cancer
>"Dashie!" she shouted, causing Rainbow Dash to recoil and hit her head off of the floor.
Is she hitting the floor on accident or on purpose? I can still sense the intent of Skirt's non-words, but I have no idea what the fuck Aesthetic is trying to convey here.

On topic with the question of TwiLuna fics, I found https://www.fimfiction.net/story/31925/duel-nature to be fun, even if painful to read at parts.
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>>33520308
Isn't The Immortal Game supposed to be a parody? What you've described sounds hilarious.

>Nihilus Nix Naught
Is that even from a language?

>pic
That's the worst Twilight hair style that I've ever seen.

>Celestia being aware that a new Dark Apprentice has been chosen, but not their identity
Cool.

>>33520360
>In other words, literal irredeemable elements to the story.
Top fucking kek. I'm glad that I never read it.

>which only remains uncrushed because Celestia's mother can't stop herself from indulging in some kinky BDSM fun with her own daughter
On second thought, maybe I should try this.

>I liked it enough to read it a second time (much like our resident TMA autist)
So it was good enough to reread, but the fundamental errors couldn't be overlooked, making you unable to recommend it?

>>33520432
Oh no, you said the magic word!
I fear that rational fic discussion might increase soon. I was checking up on the author of an old fic that I feared was abandoned, that lead me to find out that HPMOR might be getting its epilogue released either on pi day or its upcoming (5th) anniversary. God save us.

>>33520448
>The Celestia Code
Why do I see this mentioned every couple of months? Should I be reading it?
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>>33520477
>Why do I see this mentioned every couple of months?
It's a fic that's rather popular AND quite good. It's also a lighthearted adventure that doesn't fit itself too seriously, a style that I find is an absolutely perfect match for ponies (as opposed to some dark and gritty "realistic" adventure).
>Should I be reading it?
It's a good fic so why not.
The sequels are quite decent too, but they deviate from the original style a bit: as I mentioned the second one has a whole bunch of shipping in it, for example.
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>>33520477
>Is that even from a language?
It is, unfortunately. Pic related, the author has a habit of butchering actual words to create (admittedly-decent) non-pony pony names.
>On second thought, maybe I should try this.
Celestia's mother doesn't get too far in, unfortunately.
If you're into TwiLuna BDSM fics with a paper-thin plot rolled over them, you should try fimfiction.net/story/90496/the-codes-apprentice. The entire fic is nothing but role-reversal domination with Twilight continually extracting power from all of her enemies and superiors.
>So it was good enough to reread, but the fundamental errors couldn't be overlooked, making you unable to recommend it?
Nope. Unlike TMAfag, I only reread TIG because it was one of the first fics I'd ever read, and I wanted to see how my opinion now would compare with that of the past (hint: nothing improved). I've had some real great moments in the story, like when Dash/Twilight finally return to normal, but they're rose-tinted experiences from a time where I'd recommend anything better than My Immortal.
I don't think I've read a single TwiLuna fic I'd be willing to recommend. Apart from Apotheosis which I've not even finished, they've all been trash.

>I was checking up on the author of an old fic that I feared was abandoned, that lead me to find out that HPMOR might be getting its epilogue released either on pi day or its upcoming (5th) anniversary. God save us.
God save us all, indeed.

>Why do I see this mentioned every couple of months? Should I be reading it?
I dropped it a few chapters in. Couldn't tell you why; it was a year back, and I only vaguely remember reeee-ing at some plot element being burnt in a fire. The story also contains McFlurry and other nu-canon elements, which gets a big yikes from me.
>>33520605
>AND quite good
I've never finished the damn thing, so I suppose I can't tell you you're wrong.
Even then, what the fuck anon.
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>>33519735
Apotheosis (top tier)
The Lies We Tell to Children
Night's Favoured Child
The Moon's Apprentice

>>33520172
So, "what really happened" is every event that appears in the show, except that if two events are contradictory, whichever one happened second is the winner.

How far are you willing to go to resolve contradictions, before writing off an event as non-canon?
In FPK in season 1, Twilight's mane and tail turn into fire when she gets really upset. That effect is never seen again, even though Twilight certainly gets upset in later episodes.
Did Twilight just never get mad enough to trigger it again?
Was it some kind of special effect, tied to Pinkie or to Froggy Bottom Bog?
Or does the fact that we never see it again make the first occurrence non-canon?

>weird nihilistic interpretation of canon
Not him, but I like the idea of "canon nihilism". The whole exercise seems completely pointless. You can come up with rules for extracting an internally consistent subset of events from the show, but the setting it gives you won't be that interesting or worth writing stories in. You'd be better off starting from something like Chatoyance's "Equestria Prime": https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/23579/the-chatoyance-guide-to-the-ponyverses
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>>33520642
>Even then, what the fuck anon.
I like the thing, sue me. It's not meant to be a serious in-depth read, just a light-hearted adventure. What do you think is wrong with it?
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>>33519735
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/2069/smile-at-the-moon (possibly; I don't remember what it's about)
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/234774/the-last-stand-of-twilight-sparkles-personal-guard
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/7508/observatory-hill
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>>33520695
>The Lies We Tell to Children
Don't be a dick, if a fic's abandoned then say so before you recommend it.
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Anyone got any advise for proofreading? I'm the sort that's obsessive about style and deleting unnecessary words, but I'm finding that I'm just reading the same lines over and over again and hardly getting anywhere. I've got about 45 pages of A4 left to go and I fear that it'll take me more than a day.
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>>33520758
If you've got the dedfic autism, that's your problem to deal with, not anybody else's
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>>33520788

If you don't already do it, I find that reading the text out loud helps me find all kinds of awkward constructions that my eyes will just drift right over.

Another thing I do is ctrl-f whenever I come to any mildly uncommon word while editing, to see if I'm overusing it in the story or if I've used it too frequently in a small space. I can't count the number of times I'll find that I've said, say, "dreary" four times in three paragraphs, and that while each individual use makes perfect sense, together they feel comical.

Similarly, I like to ctrl-f all the character names in the fic, to see if I've got any tight bunches that should be broken up with a little rewriting or a more judicious use of pronouns.

A trick for editing down that I've occasionally used is to make a copy of the fic, then go through and delete every odd-numbered page. If I can find any two or more pages that I can read together without losing comprehension, it means I need to edit down. Then do it again with even-numbered pages. That's a trick I rarely use, though it's definitely helped me cut out some useless fat in the past.
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>>33519735
I wrote this short introduction ages ago: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/364394/star-crossd
I was going to expand on it with an entire classical tragedy involving Twilight's overindulgence but I got a little wrapped up in the details and never managed to connect it up.
Though, now that I've gone through several romances involving Luna, I'm considering revisiting it from another angle.
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>>33520866
>I find that reading the text out loud
I've seen that tip multiple times, but I still don't have the balls.
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Any fic with a pony Alan Watts?
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>>33520454
>https://www.fimfiction.net/story/31925/duel-nature
Oh, that story.
It's a fun adventure, and seeing Twilight had her little badass moments was fun, but fuck me, those first chapters before the story finally kicks in are fucking painful. Everyone's OOC. They're either uncharacteristically cocky, or angry, or cold, and it's all just to set up Teilight acting as Luna's bodyguard.
I'd tell everyone to just skip to chapter 5 and infer what happened from the dialogue and context clues. It's much better that way.
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>>33520695
I've seen a story that explained Twilight lighting on fire as her being part kirin on her mother's side.
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>>33520894
Back in the day, we could've asked Voicefag to read it.
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>>33521374
I don't know why I'm surprised that there's more than one fic that actually tries to explain that, and doesn't just see it as something humorous.
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>>33521393
The entire 'rational' genre is literally based on that.
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>>33521393
Oh, it was a comedy. Kinda funny too.
But yeah.
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Anyone remember a collection of FIO side stories about various unusual shards? Each chapter was a oneshot about life in a particular shard, with no real overarching plot or anything.

The only chapter I really remember is one about the cookie-clicker shard, with a whole village of ponies who dedicate their lives to pressing the button that makes the number go up. All they do all day is press their buttons, but Sunbutt shows up occasionally to make a deal, like trading X million points to make each button press worth a bit more points, or to make everyone in the village no longer require sleep.

I think there was another chapter about a serial killer (though I may be confusing it with another fic), and 8-10 chapters in total. Has anyone read this and remember the title or author?
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>>33521671
There's only like 100 FiO fics. Open up their group page and scroll until you see something familiar.
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>>33489027
Stealing Harmony by RapeTrainExpress.
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>>33521671
Here you go: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/137717/friendship-is-optimal-all-the-myriad-worlds
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>>33521816
Hmmm... this seems familiar... >>33520454
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Has anyone written a story about Shining Armor getting dad joke syndrome when Flurry starts speaking?
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>>33521906
I think that most writers either quit the show or the fandom by that point. Moreover, I bet that most of this thread did.
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>>33521950
>Not watching the very last season
It's like you don't want to be disappointed.
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>>33521964
I've not even as much as downloaded a single episode past the end of season 5.
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>>33521991
I hope you at least watch during the anniversary streams, if anything it's a good excuse to booze yourself senseless with the drinking games
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>>33521964
>>33521991
Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time that I watched any TV at all. I don't even watch anime any more. Is this what growing up feels like? I just don't have the time for that stuff. I'd sooner crack open a webcomic or a short chapter of a fic than catch up on any series that I'm behind on.
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>>33522006
Can relate. It's like the price of time has skyrocketed the last few years.
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https://www.fimfiction.net/bookshelf/1095406/read-it-later

Which fic should I read next? Oh and if you see a bad fic in that list please tell me so I can take it out.
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>>33522017
I'd have seconded https://www.fimfiction.net/story/273/paradise but I'm just learning the author apparently took it down 4 and a half years ago.
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>>33522017
>23 pages
>228 fics
There's guaranteed to be more bad than good there. I sincerely believe that there won't even be 200 fics on the entire website that are actually worth your time. Post like 10 of them and we might be able to pick a decent for your to read one. Repeat that process over a few months until your taste improves.
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>>33522017
The Enchanted Library is definitely worth reading.
Keeping It Simple is my all time FiMFic favourite.
That's good right of the bat.
I wouldn't recommend Time Loops beyond the thirtieth chapter. It's esentially just crossovers from that point onwards.
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>>33522017
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>>33522017
Prince Blueblood vs. the World is really good, and it's quite short. Just 15k words.
You can burn it in a couple of hours at most.
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>>33522017
>he hasn't read Sunny Skies All Day Long
You've got like 6 pages of fics that are under 10k words. Read through them first and come back for advise when you've got a list that's easier for us to go through.
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>>33522015
And yet, we're both here.
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>>33522059
You ever get that feeling like you have no energy to do anything meaningful, but shitposting and lurking is still within your reach?
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>>33522061
Yes, but then I suddenly discover that I've spent half an hour giving an anon a 2k characters long answer.
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>>33522061
Lemme guess, you're a student?
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>>33522129
A miss by 2 years, I have a stable job now.
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>>33521906
Idea stolen.

>>33521950
Some day I'm going to watch the seasons I've missed.
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>>33522142
But anon, you already don't care and you know it. Unless gen 5 is amazing, nothing in the future will make you care more than you care now.
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>>33522157
>But anon, you already don't care and you know it.
I'll consider it an act of masochism.
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Why does proofreading take up all of my strength? Apparently it's took me all day to proofread 10 A4 pages. Should I become a poet? Outside of that field, it can't be normal to put that much effort in to so little.
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>>33522263
It looks like you're reading boring thing, or maybe you feel like your work isn't being valued.
Either way, it shouldn't take that long if you actually like doing it.
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>>33522026
>4 and a half years ago
Only a year and a half, actually
Anyway, have an archive: https://files.catbox.moe/l9r1o6.zip
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>>33522436
both have 64:8 ratios? I smell shenanigans
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New thread pls
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>>33522481
They were released to the same audiene at the same time.
Plus, the stories are interlinked. You have to read both to get the full story.
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>>33522142
>Idea stolen.
Then you better write it.
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Have you anons read the Fluttershy and Jesus fic? Unironically extremely comfy and depicts the meeting in a rational manner.
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>>33522436
Shino does good work, though.
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>>33522649
Takes me back to the old chessverse. At least this is shorter, if not less retarded.

>>33522515
This. Page 8 and dropping
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>>33523101
Fine, I'll get started on one.
I'll post it when we're on page 9/10
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New thread.
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>>33520170
>What are you talking about? The sisters are decades old but "age at a different rate," so while they're adults, culturally it was never strange to be a blank flank.
Sorry; I guess I did get a little sidetracked there.

The point: Celestia says that it "never felt unusual" for she and Luna to be blank flanks. We'll assume that she's being completely honest. Therefore, if they were originally mortal ponies, they must have ascended at an age when it was normal for a mortal pony to be a blank flank. But, while we don't know what exact age range that is, it extends well past "infancy".

>This only reinforces the alicorn race thing, as opposed to just being a small group. There wouldn't be a whole culture regarding cutie marks if it were just a small group of ponies who became alicorns rather than being born as them.
You're the one using the word "culture". How many others really need to share a condition for it to "not feel unusual"?

>At most, a few years have passed.
Are you really saying that even at the broadest interpretation of the show's timeline, there's no possibility of their being older than 12 in their latest appearance?
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>>33520170
>>33523601
>Fixed that for ya. I see you struggle to understand this thing called "exaggeration." It's quite commonly used on 4chan.
And going seven rounds furiously clinging to it? Is this the thing called "pretending to be retarded"?

>Every EU material is canon until it contradicts, or is contradicted by, the show.
Thanks for revising. Still, where are you actually getting that rule? It's not in the show, and I'm not aware of its being an official Hasbro position either (not that they can dictate what words mean).

>The comics can be interrupted
Interrupted?

>two ways: either they, as a whole, count or don't; or each individual arc is assessed.
Or look at individual elements of stories, so that you don't have to throw out an arc over a single error. Or just pretend you're a normie and enjoy (or criticize) each story on its own terms, without worrying about whether it "counts" (whatever that means); and if you're writing fan fiction, use what serves your story and ignore everything else.
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>>33520172
>Generally, newer stuff within the show takes precedent over older stuff
Notably, the opposite of "precedent"'s literal definition. More relevantly, it still doesn't explain what that actually means.

>as it will usually provide better context or clarity for something (the NMM/Celestia fight
Interesting choice of example when the original storybook is generally held to provide much better context or clarity than the vision.

>It's stuff like this that makes me think you're a brilliant troll. The weird contradiction that the show is apparently the only canon thing, then no wait, there is no canon. Cudos, if so, because it is a very good trolling.
Same to you.

>The story editor is the one in charge of writing and editing.
And what does he have to say?
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>>33520360
>Celestia's mother can't stop herself from indulging in some kinky BDSM fun with her own daughter.
Don't you just cringe when writers casually sluttify characters like that?
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>>33520454
>How fucking shit at writing do you have to be to resort to the trope of, "lol their're not real ponies so we can just massacre them all lol,"
Is this worse in context, or are you one of those people from a certain wiki who thinks things are automatically bad writing because they're "tropes"?

Similarly, I'm not sure why "named magic swords" (>>33520360) are a red flag in a high-fantasy war story. (Unless it's that ponies are quadrupeds; but then it would just be ">swords".) Was the one in https://www.fimfiction.net/story/172079/philomeanie one too?
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>>33520642
>I dropped it a few chapters in. Couldn't tell you why; it was a year back, and I only vaguely remember reeee-ing at some plot element being burnt in a fire. The story also contains McFlurry and other nu-canon elements, which gets a big yikes from me.
...In https://www.fimfiction.net/story/141549/the-celestia-code, which ended in 2014?
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In previous replies I ignored some points to try to focus on the main points in question. Since the thread is ending, though, I guess I may as well throw in my answers to them.

>>33510303
>How can the show not define the setting? There's nothing else if you subtract the show.
Except for all the other, "non-canon" stuff that's the topic of discussion. (Not to mention everything that was imported from prior generations.)

>The book also mentions "the" unicorns. Does that mean there's only a group of them?
As opposed to what?
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>>33510304
>How does the fact that new EU materials follow the show, regardless as to what other EU material says, negate the point that... the EU follows the show. Are you having reading comprehension problems?
It looked as though you were trying to make the point that:
>Every future book, comic, etc. will be using the show's version of events and completely disregarding those of previous books, comics
But at the last moment you had to admit that, actually, the books and comics probably will keep building on each other and referring to events in past books and comics in addition to the show, even when there are contradictions between them (e.g. Applejack liking vs. not liking seaweed).

>What does the show reference from the books/comics? It's all one way.
Ponypalooza. Whatever >>32289337 is talking about. Horse Play references the Sirens, which are from the Equestria Girls franchise, which elsewhere features a movie being made of the human version of Daring Do and the Marked Thief of Marapore. That's all from the books, but the books reference the comics, as with Tiberius' appearance in Festival of the Winter Moon.

>So they decided to only terraform the savanna and not the deserts the buffalo were living in?
According to Over a Barrel they'd only started settling the desert a year earlier.

>Again, you're failing to take in context of a written scene. Not too surprising I suppose given you're arguing over the use of "the" in a sentence. They're zebra, living in huts, in an area of tall grass. What mental image does that invoke? A savanna or a weeded field?
Irrelevant. Nobody's reading the book as a standalone work; it has to be taken in the context of at least the seasons preceding it. Besides, why assume that a setting without even basic internal consistency adheres to real-world principles of climate or ecology?
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>>33494373 >>33497705
What about that one historical novel that got made into a movie?

You know. Victoria and ABDL.
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>>33523650
It's a complete misrepresentation of what actually happens. Not even hyperbolic, there's no BDSM or sexual aspect, Terra is just cutting on Celestia because muh edge. She happens to also be tied up and in a dungeon at the time.
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>>33523895
Thanks for clarifying.



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