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deader than sentai
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>>17784173
probably not quite as dead as macross though
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I still find it incredible that Disney, within a half decade has somehow managed to kill off one of the biggest scifi franchises in the world, one that was 40 years in the making over pure unbridled greed and shortsightedness.
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>>17784189
It speaks for itself when the most wanted stuff is more Clone Wars in Battlefront 2 and the continuation of the Clone Wars Show
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>>17784189
>>17784231
the thing is theyre running out of time gap to fit stories in there
i'd rather have to to do complete reboot from the clone shows
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>>17784245
>the thing is theyre running out of time gap to fit stories in there

There are thousands of years to fit shit in and an entire galaxy.
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>>17784189
The fun thins is they fucked themselves over for various reasons, among them:

-Too many movies in a short span of time, Last Jedi being heavily controversial didn't help
-Toy line is destroyed, and apparently the thing that killed it was Rogue One, and Last Jedi made things worse
-EA has the license to make games, and they've barely released anything.
-Rebels being a major step down in quality from Clone Wars, and Resistance being so unremarkable that its already getting cancelled into it's second season (not like they had much to work with considering Force Awakens and TLJ happen right after the other).
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>>17784301

> Too many movies in a short span of time

I still don't buy this argument. The rest, sure, but I've no idea why people think Star Wars would never be accepted as a yearly release.
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>>17784307
Because with say a MARVEL movie you can have very very very different movies and characters. In Star Wars, it's almost always whatever the current main trilogy is or some shallow forced tie in to the OT. There is no quiet movie that's Dr Strange to another's Iron Man. It's all the same shit.
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>>17784318
I suppose that's what the were trying to do with solo and rogue one, but they clearly failed
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>>17784307
You make too much of something and people eventually get tired of it. They tried getting around it by having one main movie, then a story movie the next. It's impossible for us to know if people got tired of it, TLK killed the hype, or if no one cared about the Solo movie (or heard the issues behind the scenes and just decided to skip it).
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>>17784321
Solo and Rogue One weren't different. I don't want to repost a RLM meme but it's not inaccurate. Star Wars only has so much imagery and they won't let it go. RO even forced a pointless Vader scene in. And frankly, Han Solo's story isn't interesting till Luke meets him in Mos Eisley. Nobody actually cares how he met Chewie, nobody really needs to see how he got the falcon and we sure as fuck don't need to see Lando make out with a droid whose name wouldn't have been clever in 1999
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>>17784318
This, the story movies were too tied to the OG trilogy. It should have been it's own cast of characters unrelated to the other films and dealing with events that don't focus at all with the empire.

Considering they had a giant gap between the original trilogy and the sequel one, they had plenty to work with that didn't involve the republic, rebels or empire.
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>>17784330
yeah, I'm saying they failed at being different, while I did enjoy rogue one, both it and solo are still to stuck in the idea of being a "star wars movie"
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>>17784321
Solo might have been able to work on that front, but not Rogue One
In 2015, with TFA, we saw a group of rebels trying to stop the Empire from building a big space cannon
In 2016, with Rogue One, we saw a group of rebels trying to stop the Empire from building a big space cannon
I know I'm oversimplifying but that's really of the core of it, Rogue One is really emblematic of Disney's approach to Star Wars, which is 'squeeze all the shit people liked into it'. I don't want to just start RLM posting, but it's hard not to with this one. It will always be plucky rebels, the evil Empire, Stormtroopers and Tie Fighters and a big space gun. TLJ was able to subvert that I guess, by taking out the space gun and replacing it with Luke Skywalker and Yoda. So not much of a win. And now Rise of the Skywalker is going to do it again.
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>>17784332
I think most people are pretty pissed off at them undoing the OT's happy ending too just for the sake of a sequel. You really are shitting on decades of film culture.
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why the fuck is the first order just literally a carbon copy of the empire? they had a chance to make something new and interesting, but no, it's the same shit again. And if they are just going to recycle shit, then why not remake the prequels? they weren't great and could do with a modern retelling.
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>>17784337
No one cares as long as you tell a decent story, not even good, just decent. The Force Awakens was decent, and while people didn't like that the Han/Leia relationship didn't work and Han died, they still liked the film. If people were pissed the OG trilogy ending was ruined, they would have complained with the TFA.
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>>17784342
Because Disney wanted to make a new star wars film, but didn't want to deviate too much. So TFA was a reskinned ANH. It's why the FO exists.

The irony is that the could have made the FO terrorists going against the Republic, which would have been a fun twist on the dynamic, but nope.
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>>17784348
The Destruction of the Republics Central Goverment would have been far more kino if some FO Fleet Jumped in together with some Eclipse like Planet Destroyer, blasted the Planet and fucked off like some hit and run tactic
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>>17784354
Even some FA concept art had pretty neat ideas that didn't make it into the film. Concept Jakku looked pretty cool, a giant ship made to fight Death Stars, FO ships being Tie Interceptors, etc...
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>>17784348
I think The New Order is suppose to be more like /pol/. A younger generation of guys enamored with idea of the old Empire. Guys like Hux who probably hate how the Galaxy is ran and wants to go back to a time when martial law kept everyone in check, and Ren who is just angry at everything and latched on to the idea that he is predestined to go to the darkside. That being said they don't really play it like that. Despite them being explained as invaders in the movies they are played off exactly as the omnipotent Empire. It would of been a bit more politically charged, but it would of been a lot more interesting to see the New Republic deal with their own insurgency, reason with the fact that a good portion of their population liked being imperial citizens, and kinda hold a mirror up to the division that goes on today with stuff like Trump and Brexit. I think the best example of this is Finn. I really thought Finn was going to be played as this kid thinking he's going to be a war hero, but then defects after seeing what the First Order was really doing. Instead Disney just explained it away as him being a brainwashed child.
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>>17784364
*First Order
I call them the Empire so much I didn't even know their real name.
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>>17784362
They apparently thought of that since they had a weird new Star Destroyer class with a mini death star at the center. Essentially a mini Eclipse.
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If only the New Republic had a roaming fleet like in the Legends canon.
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What is the coolest SW starfighter and why is it the B-Wing?
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Honestly I don't get why Disney didn't make one of the EU books they made not canon into a movie? Just rehashing ANH for TFA was what originally pissed people off at disney for being unoriginal but they own a wealth of books & stories that could have been ripped & people would have bitched less as they were more original.
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>>17784517
They'd have to pay the original writer every time some element from the book was used, wouldn't they?
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>>17784336
>In 2015, with TFA, we saw a group of rebels trying to stop the Empire from building a big space cannon
>In 2016, with Rogue One, we saw a group of rebels trying to stop the Empire from building a big space cannon

Look, beyond the fact that Death Star busting is a time honored tradition in Star Wars, I'll defend Rogue One for that on one point:

The ANH title crawl.
I never knew how much I wanted a film about the Rebellion's first victory against the Empire until Scariff happened.
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>>17784535
Not him, but even then, Disney's already shown that they've done everything they can to get maximum profits. It's why Galaxy's Edge is set in the new trilogy instead of having it just be a hub with stuff from all trilogies or the original (because they wouldn't be getting the full rights until 2020... but then they bought Fox so it was a moot point).
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>>17784535
Would they? I know theirs a rumour that George Lucas still owns Star Wars & that Disney essentially rents it from him & that if they wanted to use most things from the original movies then they'd have to pay extra royalties to him. It then goes on to say that the OT cast were hardly in the movies because of this to cut down costs & that they made the first order, their changed troopers & slightly changed X-Wings to circumvent paying GL any extra cash.
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Probably the worst thing about Disney Wars (especially the sequels) from an /m/ perspective is how unoriginal and rehashed all the spaceship designs are. I mean, just look at this shit from Episode 9, A-wings, B-wings, Y-wings and a fucking Corellian Corvette. No fucking originality at all.

At least the prequels were able to give us tons of original ship designs (I love the aesthetic of the CIS) and even the stuff that's meant to callback to OT designs like the Clone ARC fighter or Venator Star Destroyers actually look different and aren't just rehashed shit.
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>>17784556
Disney wouldn't settle for "renting" Star Wars and Lucas' comments on the franchise since show that as obviously false. God knows why he decided to get the ball rolling on the PT but at some point there was just enough of a gap for his brain to wake up and say "WTF are you even doing do you remember the PT a third go will kill you" so he dove at Disney's offer before he could talk himself out of it
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>>17785139
I meant ST for the first one. Whatever FUCK YOU
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>>17785272
Actually something quite interesting in this thread for once rather than just a /tv/ thread on why the franchise is dead to people. Definitely looks like an early prototype, thanks for sharing this.
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>>17784863
That's the most annoying part of the ship designs, it's like nothing new came out in 30 years, when in a similar time-frame designs changed considerably between the prequels and OG trilogy. BTW, there's also suppose to be another new version of the X Wing that we might see since the one from TFA is nearly 30 years old by the time we see it, the New Republic was using the upgraded model.

So yeah, the best we can hope for in terms of new ship designs in the X Wing 3.0.
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>>17785282
Yep, Lucas hire a guy named Colin Cantwell to make models of the ships, along with McQuarrie doing early concept art. This is Cantwell's Star Destroyer, behind it was his prototype for the Millenium Falcon. These are the actual models he built, shown in a SW exhibit.
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>>17784160
i miss the one sith.
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>Buy a series because you have trouble marketing to boys
>Market it to girls
>No more Jedi or force stuff, nothing that sets it apart from any other sci fi video game already grabbing kids attention
>Dismiss all criticism as toxic fan whining
Why did the baby boomers who call the shots not realize how absurdley unqualified these handlers were?
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>>17785317
SW is better when the force and jedi aren't involved. easy mentions of the force being in all living things is fine since the force can be it's own thing apart from jedi, but physical use of the force is no fun.
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clone wars>>>>>>galactic civil war
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>>17784354
or use the dark side in a new terrorists way.
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arc-170 was cute.
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>>17785345
can't unsee how the Eta cockpick looks like a giant smiling face. if it actually was that it could easily be turned into a CIS ship, since they are all "sentient"
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>>17785325
I disagree. Jedi are definitely what set apart Star Wars and are a very interesting part of the series. I think Luke's whole progression from "I was going to go to Tosche Station and get some Power Converters!." to " I warn you not to underestimate my power." is some of the best character development in movies, and the high lights of the 2003 Clone Wars is hands down the lightsaber fights, especially the Grievous ones. Jedi are cool, Sith are badass, it's just not being handled well right now. No cool character progression like the OT and no hype lightsaber duels like the PT. Knights of Ren were the best hope for badass Jedi/Sith shit but I guess seeing how Boba Fett and Darth Maul were handled in previous series Disney just thought it was tradition to sandbag hype villains and not wanting to be out done made the most hype villains and put them in a movie for 15 seconds.
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I admit the Mandalorian trailer got me excited for it, but I am not paying a Disney+ subscription for it.
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>>17785325
That's hogwash. The Force is what defines star wars. It's the only thing that sets it apart from other, better, sci fi. Without The Force it's just a big budget Flash Gordon
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Double Decker Star Destroyer
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>Lando, Chewie and the Falcon take a suicide run into Palpatine's main ship in the Sith fleet, and go out in a blaze of glory.
I know it's going to happen.
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>>17785366
That and all the stupid shit Disney's doing to the service:

-Episodes come out weekly
-On a monthly subscription service
-They'll also take down your account if you share it like everyone else does with Netflix and other stuff
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>>17784189
Its truly impressive, the last time all my extended family got to eat together this summer, NO ONE talked about the new SW film, and we are all geeks, lovers of Starcraft, magic, rpg games, Marvel etc.
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>>17784381
The 5th fleet was kino.
Also anyone else feels than Nu-Star wars is extremely small?
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>>17785408
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>>17785414
Wow, I remember see these as pieces of concept art only, I had no idea they went as far as making on-screen film models! Really cool actually
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>>17785452
I think its because the new trilogy introduced barely anything new which just makes everything feel old, thus smaller.
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>>17785452
They explain that in expanded material because fuck having that in the film.

Mon Mothma basically tells everyone in the new senate or whatever that they need to keep small military force to achieve peace, and Leia basically calls her a retard since the Empire remnants (they signed a peace agreement after the Battle of Jakku, a year after ROTJ) are still around and could just re-arm themselves in a few years and kill them all. Mothma retaliates by saying Leia is Vader's daughter and kills her political career. She then forms her own militia out of handouts from like minded individuals in the Republic, gaining old decommissioned ships (yes, even the new X-Wings old since they already have newer one's) and supplies.
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>>17785465
I'm pissed off the empire only lasted after the 1 YEAR after RoTJ. The fuck is called Star WARS for?
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>>17785465
>Mothma retaliates by saying Leia is Vader's daughter and kills her political career.
mothma doesn't do that at all, anon. the fact that leia is vader's daughter being public knowledge doesn't happen until 6 years before TFA, long after mothma is out of politics.
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>>17785460
That too, friggin what they have introduced? The planet porg, salt planet, casino planet and cantina planet.
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>>17785479
I'm probably wrong. I haven't read any of this since it got released. Why did they kick her out again?
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>>17785487
we don't have any canon material showing the transition from mothma to whoever was chancellor next.
in terms of leia, she was "kicked out" of the senate because she never shut up about the potential of the empire coming back for 23 years and her rivals used the voice recording of Bail that he left for Leia before his death as 'damning evidence' that Leia can't be trusted in politics ever again.
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>>17784307
It’s just an excuse the corporate suits are saying to cover up the fact their franchise is sucking in a variety of ways. Unfortunately some NPC autists eat these excuses up
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>>17785498
The rapid release of the movies is part of the reason for the suck to begin with.
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>>17784301
Don't forget that the person Disney put in charge of Star Wars almost immediately went out and publicly insulted and shamed the die-hard fanbase.
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>>17785276
Lambda shuttles are such fucking SEX.
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>>17785482
Random villlage, Not Tatooine with destroyed star destroyer, bar in the woods, planet star destroyer, rebel/reisistance base and 30 seconds of destroyed worlds. Most of the locations are rehashes.
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>>17784189
Age anon. Gundam is 40...dying, Star Trek is 53...last breaths, Doctor Who is 66, not what it was and barely deserves the name.

Nothing lasts.
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>>17785307
>>17785408
>>17785411
>>17785414

What if they did THE Star Wars? You know, Georges original idea.
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>>17786383
>You know, Georges original idea.
A Flash Gordon remake?
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>>17785301
The lack of good original designs is probably also the reason the toys are selling like shit. I mean, kids will probably see yet another derivative X Wing design and go 'Boring!'. Lucas at least knew how to market shit, making sure to have new designs every movie and more importantly, cool action scenes to 'sell' those designs to the kids. I mean, what kid worth his salt would see the Battle of Hoth and not want to go out and buy an AT-AT or snowspeeder? Or buy some battle droids and clonetroopers and their vehicles to enact their own Clone Wars battles? Meanwhile all the action scenes in the ST are just lacklustre. Or deliberately show our heroes and villains acting like retards because the director is a pretentious hack who thinks he's making some sort of 'message'.

Also what that anon said about Disney Wars being entirely corporate driven soullessness is true. Lucas was the type who'd throw in some cool design into a scene because it looks cool. Disney Wars will give you more X wings and TIEs because the last quarterly report says they didn't sell enough X Wing toys.
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>>17786386
Fuck, at this point, can't hurt.
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>>17786401
Yeah, that was one of the things people listed as probable causes of decline in toy sales. Most ships or vehicles don't get to do much of anything. TFA at least gave the X-Wings, Tie Fighters and Falcon things to do, but TLJ? A-Wing shows up briefly and doesn't get to do anything, the bombers were boring and pathetic (this one got an expensive lego set, I wonder if any kids actually wanted one), the new AT AT and Walker don't get to do anything cool, and were relegated to the tiny hot wheel line of vehicles. Hell, even Kylo's Starfighter doesn't get a good dogfight or anything, it just shoots and missile to destroy the hangar, then retreats.

Rogue One's toys suffered from a combination of things. The movie was for an older audience, but the toy line was for a younger audience plus it had very expensive items for no reason (the AT AT variant was the worst example, extremely expensive and it was mediocre compared to the older AT AT nearly a decade earlier), many of the vehicles that got to do stuff didn't get a release compatible with the smaller figures (like the Y-Wing and X-Wings) and the gimmicks didn't appeal to collectors. It didn't help that the cast just dies in that movie in a pretty bleak way, even if they won. RO toys shelfwarmed hard all the way to TLJ's premier, despite being heavily clearanced.
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>>17784189
>has somehow managed to kill off
The fact is m8, Star Wars is still quite the moneymaker. It's not near dead. Perhaps you meant to say
>i not liek this! Muh childhood!
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>>17784245
The current year story has nothing to do with the OG story, by Darkhorse, approved by Lucas.

>Mara Jade
>Never ever
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never ever will we see anything like this in a screen play.

But, they are bringing that old fucker back for the last one.
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>>17785418
Who cares, changes or no only chumps would have paid for it in the first place. Only one good ripper ever has to take one for the team, the rest of us will be downloading our 1080p rips from Pirate Bay as God intended.
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>>17786559
I can live without Mara Sue. At least one good thing about Disney's EU is that she isn't in it.
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>>17786700
Nah, you're thinking about Rey. Mara actually lost and got her ass kicked on multiple occasions and eventually got punked by the old EU version of Kylo Ren.
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>>17784189
I've all but written off the sequel trilogy, but I enjoyed Solo and Rogue One, and I have faith that Filoni will deliver with TCW and The Mando.
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>>17784301
Do kids even like the new toys compared to the old ones?
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>>17786991
I still see SW toys from the Disney trilogy warming shelves even with clearance sales. So, not likely.
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>>17786991
Apparently the Rebels toys were quite popular; the film toys starting with TLJ have been a bust.
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>>17784189
The really sad thing is how easily they could have not fucked it up. /m/ could write a new Rogue Squadron game in no time, but it'll never get made because an "expert" like Rian Johnson wasn't involved.
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>>17786383
The tried that as a comic book
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>>17786700
Oh right because REY has been so much better in that regard.
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>>17786401

> Also what that anon said about Disney Wars being entirely corporate driven soullessness is true. Lucas was the type who'd throw in some cool design into a scene because it looks cool.

Lucas was the type who included a lot of the designs and ideas purely because he personally liked those kinds of thing. Star Wars itself is basically just a mish-mash of things he thought were cool, collected in to coherent narrative. WWII dog-fights, 1920s Sci-fi, Samurai films, silent comics etc. He knew how to market shit after including it, but he only really included it in the first place because he liked it. Whether anyone else did or not was secondary really.

In a way, Lucas is the most commercially successful auteur and A New Hope the most successful passion project in film history, because studios had no faith in the success of a contemporary space opera, since they hadn't been popular in decades at the time. He had to fight to get it made, and fight more to get it made the way he envisioned it. He also used the profits of A New Hope to purchase the rights, set up his own studio and ensure he'd never have to deal with executive interference or studio bullshit ever again. Which, you can take the view it eventually hurt him, since he had no oversight or limitations with the prequels, but is an admirable achievement nonetheless.
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>>17787059
For any fault he did have he was at least a vision driven mad man. Doesn't fix his movies but I guess it's better than corporate controlled suits.
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>>17784503
The A-Wing is obviously the best because it is the fastest.
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>>17784160
>/m/ has better Star Wars threads than /tv/.
Guess I shouldn't be surprised really.
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Vulture could run circles around the A-Wing
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If only there was a 5th Fleet counterpart in TLJ that would show up and deliver some epic smackdown on the FO Fleet chasing the Resistance.
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>>17787227
I was hoping we'd see a CIS fleet come out of nowhere to help the resistance after the nuCIS got mentioned as being a thing post ROTJ, but clearly we were just expecting disappointment.
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>>17787738
Why would they help the resistance?
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>>17787848
we don't know anything about them other than a faction by that name exists, so literally anything is possible.
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>>17787738
admiral ackbar was a good friend of mine....we will avenge him.
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>>17787848
the rebellion teamed up with a lot of ex-CIS and used a lot of their stuff.
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>>17787879

It's actually have been kind of ironically interesting if the CIS had become the seeds of the Rebellion, because the Empire that grew out of their conflict was even worse than the Republic they were trying to secede from.
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>>17787879
In the new canon?
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>>17787903
yes. one of the aphra comic arcs shows rebels using a lucrehulk as a mobile training station for starfighter pilots
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>>17787892
some of the stormtroopers are clones so the irony was not lost on some of them.
>>17787903
it is in both the old canon and new one.
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>>17786573
Same energy
What would Hamill think of a Dark Empire movie?
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>>17787212
Yeah but the A-Wing was designed to be flown by human pilots with human limitations in mind. Not for dirty clankers.
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>>17787918
Vader had his own squad of commando droids for a while as well.
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>>17788019
It was a joke about the transformation.

>>17787977
Is that actually part of the EU?
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>>17788059
>Is that actually part of the EU?
it isn't part of disney canon, so it can only be part of the old EU.
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>>17788079
Even in a galaxy far way, coke is still a favorite soft drink, this is even more crazy than Pizza Hut still existing in the alternative history world of code geass
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>>17788079
ok
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>>17788079
Honestly the soft drink bottles are the only good thing out of the entire sorry mess of Disney's handling of the series.
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>>17788079
>Cool design, cool design, cool design.
>Eh just slap a label on it, s'just water.
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>>17784189
>kill off
Wut?
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>>17786383
So a Valerian Ripoff that uses Fem!Luke as the MC?
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>>17784189
It's all really because of a disney executive and their delusions of having some kind of Midas touch when in reality they've just worked with some very talented people.

Not that Kennedy isn't good at financing movies, she's apparently the best in the business at it. However when her past success really is just as being the "finance wizard" for Spielberg and a bunch of other people who are much better in the artistic department than her her Midas complex is completely misplaced.
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>>17784160
was order 66 a school shooting?
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>>17788093
I recall hearing those thirst detonators have caused problems with the TSA, the water bottle may be uninspired but at least it won't accidentally be mistaken for an explosive.

Sucks but these are the times we live in.
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>>17784362
These things were amazing, how did we end up with "bigger death star" and "flat pizza slice". At least the supremacy looked cool...
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>>17788549
Well what do you expect from drinks in the shape of literal explosive devices. At least make them like the drinks from the cantina
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>>17785317
Men are fickle. They move from fanbase to fanbase as it interests them. Women, however, latch on to a fanbase and keep feeding it. The women that got into Harry Potter in the early 2000s are largely still into it. Women are a long term investment. Hook them and you keep getting paid for a long, long time.
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>>17788583
K-pop, or certain music groups in general, are a good second example of this.
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At least we got the Resurgent-class SD
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>>17788583
Marketing sci-fi and comics to women was the smartest thing they could have ever done. They stay engaged longer, complain less, and spend more. You had better believe that Disney knew exactly what they were doing when they marketed Marvel Comics and Star Wars to female audiences. Now everyone has figured it out. Traditionally "male" pastimes have figured out the real money is in women.

Even some tokusatsu and anime work the fujoshi angle but honestly Japan largely hasn't worked out the fact that women consume more. But they're starting to get clued in and they're testing the waters.

Nobody wants a consumer who goes to the next big thing every single time. Or someone who complains about liking the old thing better when something new comes out in the series. Women are very brand loyal. And Disney has over 100 years of research to back this up. It's almost sinister in its simplicity and brilliance.
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the FO being terrorists would have been better.
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>>17788637
I mean they are in a way. Also I thought these guys were Helghast for a second.
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>>17788637
technically they are, kinda like ISIS in that they declared themselves a state. It's just the rebellion is even smaller because disney is retarded
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>>17788640
i get that feeling.
>>17788646
going back to the rebellion was retarded
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What do you guys think of the Clone biochip retcon for Order 66?
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>>17784189
>I still find it incredible that Disney, within a half decade has somehow managed to kill off one of the biggest scifi franchises in the world, one that was 40 years in the making over pure unbridled greed and extremist feminism.
ftfy
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>>17788660
what is that? clones having a chip in their brain that makes them follow orders? Doesn't bother me at all
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>>17788617
What the hell are you talking about? Comic book sales are in the gutter. Every "female" targeted book gets cancelled almost immediately outside the editors pet projects and even those have low sales.
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>>17788667
Originally the implication was that the Clones went through with Order 66 out of blind loyalty to the Republic, because that's what they were bred for. Regardless of their personal feelings towards their Jedi generals, they were too loyal to the Republic to allow those feelings to interfere with their mission. The biochip was introduced in the Clone Wars series and made to be the reason they followed through with it. Instead of blind loyalty, they were compelled by the chip to do it.
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>>17788674
Wasn't order 66 issued after the official restructuring of the Republic into the Empire though?

And wouldn't such loyalty to the Republic suggest they'd vehemently not support the Empire?
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>>17788114
Is it true that the Sheev in the background is actually an action figure? I heard that rumor but haven't found if it's the case or not.
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>>17785496
>the voice recording of Bail that he left for Leia before his death
WAT
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>>17788681
The Republic became the Empire after Sheev's decree, and the Senate applauded it. The transition happened through official channels, and so the loyalty carried over.
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>>17786557
[citation needed]
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>>17788691
It's the Hot Toys 1/6 doll, just filtered and with some colour added to the eyes
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>>17788674
Its a minor retcon that really only effects the EU. New trilogy is full of more divisive changes.

>>17788698
Did the name change happen at that point? Even then the Senate just gave him extended emergency powers.
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>>17786991
no they can't even make money with star wars toys
they literally could have put the money they spent on star wars into a CD at the credit union and gotten a better return after expenses of making the movies, marketing them, buying the ip (what they actually own of it) and all that other shit
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>>17787924
>some of the stormtroopers are clones so the irony was not lost on some of them.
Especially when the Clone-Stormtroopers were eventually liquidated.
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>>17788056
...he built those for himself, because he was cut off from the Empire, so...
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>>17788583
>>17788587
>except Disney failed in this regard, too
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>>17788708
dark Empire but shit.
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>>17788583
>men are fickle
lol that's a cat lady's excuse when they get pump and dumped
real nerds liked star wars for forty years now they can't even put asses in the seats at new sections of their parks because they've shitted up star wars that badly
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>>17788706
nayrt, but TLJ did still do quite well. 1/3 down from TFA, but still not bad. Though when it was screened in an extra hundred cinemas and had a comparable budget, a 1/3 drop is a bit iffy. And with the very real suggestion that Disney's been cooking the books on their earnings for years, it could actually have been worse
Solo fucking tanked though, look at that. And the jury's still out on Galaxy's edge, supposedly income in the park's up but only because of increased prices balancing out decreased turnover.
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>>17788660
It made no sense, since they could've been manufactured with that sort of programming built-in. In fact, if one has no knowledge of the additional/expanded source material, the cinematic introduction at Kamino implies that such conditioning was already implemented, given certain phrasing by the Kaminoan representative, and the targeted looks at Obi-wan, given by the Clones themselves.
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>>17788743
>Star Wars is still quite the moneymaker.
>"Prove it!"
>provides proof
>...that Disney SW isn't as profitable as the original
Guess that settles that.
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>>17788747
I did say nayrt
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>>17788660
I always just assumed it was Cold War sleeper agent brainwashing shit, why the fuck does it need a brainchip?
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>>17788698
But if they're unconditionally loyal to the Republic, it shouldn't matter how official the transition is, as it is no longer the Republic.

Not to mention the fact that the Rebellion even existed in the first place is because the legitimacy of the Empire was understandably considered to be sus, they weren't the Alliance to Restore the Republic for fancy naming purposes yknow.
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>>17788759
It stands to reason then that since Palpatine had a hand in their creation, they were bred to be loyal to him as well. Which would be decent justification for the biochip to make them subservient to him.
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>>17788758
Because otherwise people would overthink it and get into heated arguments about whether or not the Clones were just the fleshy equivalent of battle droids or if they willfully committed Jedicide.

So the official stance is "you should feel bad for these space Maori clones because they're real human beans but were denied their individual wills also we'll now use this as an opportunity to elevate at least one of them into a proper-ass character."

It's plot patchwork, don't think too hard about it.
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>>17788718
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>>17788718
and we at skywalker ranch all laughing
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is it so hard to make a female protagonist?
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>>17788822
>tripdubs
It is if you don't understand women and character progression
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>>17788822
No.

But making an interesting female protagonist that doesn't need to partially cater to current gender equality trends? Yes.
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>>17788822
No. Some of the most iconic heroes in sci fi are woman. The problem is that producers think STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONIST means invincible badass and not a female protagonist who's just written semi decently.
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>>17788827
>>17788830
>>17788852
it's not that they don't understand women
it's that they don't understand human beings
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>>17784503
>slow and sluggish
>difficult to pilot
>bitch and a half to maintain
>but it hits like a capital ship at a fraction of the cost
The B-Wing is a temperamental beast of a fighter, but props to any pilot who can wrangle it.
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>>17787046
>REY has been so much better
I'd rather phrase it as 'less bad', but your sarcastic comment is still unironically true. Until Rey gets a mary sue backstory, Jade is still the bigger mary sue.

I'm not even going to respond to the dope who thinks that another writer, not responsible for her character development, deciding to wreck her somehow works as an argument for her not being shite to begin with.
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Is it reasonable to have a very real fear that they're going to destroy the Falcon by the end of Episode IX?
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>>17788747
Ah, the classic 'move the goalposts' move. But what if someone were to move the ball first?
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>>17788758
Because that's a sci-fi way of doing the same thing. It's Star Wars.
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>>17789104
it's a soft balance between the merchandising opportunities of a destroyed falcon model and alienating all the old fans into total collapse.
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>>17785448
that family reunion must smell lovely.
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>>17789091
Jade never got a big block buster movie trilogy. Jade still had a character arc. The only thing Rey has done is be TEH AWESOMEST.
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>>17788566
Yes...
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>>17788566
It did...
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>>17789191
The most annoying thing is that she could have been great, she had her moments, and they did some neat things with her (the whole bit wit her and Kylo being able to see each other across the Galaxy was pretty interesting) but they made her too competent, and the next movie didn't change that.
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>>17789174
>alienating all the old fans
The Mouse has made it very clear over the past couple of years that it doesn't care at ALL about the old fans.
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>>17789104
or give it too ray.
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>>17786383
They did that. It's called Dune
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>>17789104
I really, really doubt it. Chewie would keep it together by sheer force of will anyway
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>>17789104
they destroyed everything else, don't see why this would be an exception.
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I'm probably in the minority in wanting the Falcon to be destroyed or not show up in the new films. I love the ship, but we don't need to bring everything back. We already have most of the original cast, rebels, empire, vehicles, droids, etc...

I would have been fine if they either destroyed/crippled it in the attempt to land at the Star Killer Base or have Chewie just fuck off and leave with it at the end TFA, because he's getting too old for this and decides to do something else with his life, instead of fighting another war.

The new Falcon could have been a ship they steal or something. Have a ship they steal in Canto Bright serve as the new Falcon. You could even show off it's quirks in a dogfight while they try to leave the atmosphere.
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>>17784503
Always liked the K-Wing.
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>>17789673
I don't really agree with the Falcon being destroyed (they should just let Chewie ride off into the sunset with it). I do agree that the new heroes should have gotten their own signature ship though.

Really, keeping the Falcon around is just emblematic of Disney's schizophrenic approach to the sequels, where they're simultaneously shitting on the past (turning all the OT heroes into pathetic losers and destroying all their achievements) while still relying on nostalgia (Hey look its X-Wings! TIEs! The Emperor!).
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>>17789700
It's kinda funny that the prequels eventually did introduce their Falcon, that cargo ship Anakin got in the Clone Wars tv show.
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>>17789713
And it got destroyed, sadly.
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>>17789436
>>17789453
Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that it survived the hit, although crippled. So we might get a Supremacy Repair ver.
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>>17789478
it's already hers since Han's death, did you not watch the movies?
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>>17789715

Why do you keep posting a picture of a Y-Wing model with the name X-Wing? It literally calls it a Y-Wing on the base. Even early Johnson concept art labels the units as we know them, so it's not like it was something that changed during production.
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>>17789863
I always wondered what fhose metal parts on the back of the engines are for. The original clone wars Y-wing has them covered, but the rebels run theirs with those metla frames uncovered. No energy seems to run in there either, does any source explain what they are?
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>>17789778
Yet another thing she didn't earn. By rights the Falcon should go to Chewie but that would require that these movies treat Chewie as anything other than a background prop (I mean seriously, you don't even have Chewie and Luke mourn Han Solo, their best friend, together? What the fuck is wrong with you, Disney?)
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>>17789664
I had a friend who had this model as a kid and always thought it was one of the most bad ass designs. Still looks good.
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>>17789490
this but unironically
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>>17789863
Why do you lose your shit over filename mistakes? Reminds me of a huge portion of the SW fanbase, losing their shit over small stuff.
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>>17790553

Why do you equate asking a question to "losing your shit"?
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>>17789875
>>17789863's picture has the text 'Thrust vector detail'.
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>>17788692
Bail made a voice recording telling Leia of her full background; her father Anakin and mother Padme, their brief backstories, and the fact that Anakin became Vader. This recording was sealed away in a place allied with Alderaan where Leia would be able to get it when she was of age or some shit but the Rebellion happened. One of Leia's political rivals in the NR Senate was of the same "breed" of politician dynasty on her own planet that Alderaan had for generations, which also had the same system in use in the friendly allied planet. She got hold of this recording and played it for the whole Senate, exposing Leia as a liar and a warmonger because it's (Vader) in her blood.
Obviously everyone close to Leia already knew this fact decades prior just after she found it out from Luke in ROTJ, but the greater galaxy outside of those ~10 people did not know.
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>>17790611
ah,the Laplace Box
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>>17790568
Because you thought making a post over one wrong letter in a filename was important.

On.

4chan.
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>>17790611
I'd say that's bullshit, but honestly that's the kind of stunt you'd expect from a politician who's out to deep six a rival.
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>>17790641
>I'd say that's bullshit
it's the main plotline of the novel "Bloodlines," set 6 years before TFA
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>>17790641
the secret recording is bullshit tier, but the rest is totally reasonable for a fucking bothan to do
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>>17790650
I meant in the sense that it feels contrived at first glance, the first thought that went through my mind was actually how this doesn't also slander Luke, a goddamn hero of the Galactic Civil War who also happens to be Vader's son?

But then I realized that this sort of stuff works even in real life because by the time you start questioning the point of an attack on someone's character like that it'll be after the damage had been done.
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>>17790677
Yes, it includes Luke because people remember Leia and Luke are siblings. However, Luke is already traveling the galaxy with Ben during this time period, so he's basically unconnected from the entire story line and the only impact it has on him is people realizing he is also Vader's child
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>>17789713
The Twilight? Yeah, it had its moments, but it never really had much opportunity to shine. It is one of the better examples of Star Wars' obsession with asymmetrical and unbalanced ship designs, though.
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>>17789472
>The Mouse

The person responsible for this mess is not so much the mouse itself, which I do not justify, but Kathleen Kennedy. She's who has strongly wanted most of the crap that happens in Last Jedi
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Life's tough when your the only guy here who likes the sequel trilogy....
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>>17790720
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>>17789934
Why do you think Lando's gonna be in Rise of Skywalker? He heard Han's dead and he's come to collect ownership by default.
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>>17790720
I'm sure you could find a specialist carer to make things a bit easier for you
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>>17790628

I did it because posting it several times seemed deliberate. If it wasn't, "it's a typo I didn't care to fix" would have sufficed as a response.
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>>17790545
ah yes, the flat poorly designed pizza slice
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>>17790720
yeah, speds do get a lot of shit
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>>17790720
I'd imagine that life is indeed tough for one with such a severe mental disability.
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>>17790844
>If it wasn't, "it's a typo I didn't care to fix" would have sufficed as a response.
Bingo. Simply understanding this in the first place and never making a post about it would have sufficed to me.
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>>17790926

I wasn't aware asking questions would set you off. How remiss of me not to know.
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>>17789104
I don't know, destroying the merchfuel like that seems a bit wasteful
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>>17790956
"It's time to let old things die."
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>>17791032
Rian's gone now, we're bringing back the Emperor, Lando, the Death Star, Luke Skywalker, the old things are alive and kicking now
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>>17791041
>the old things are alive and kicking now
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I still find it hilarious how little of a shit people give about this thing. The TIE Advanced is still well known and remembered, but they try to give Edgelord Carcrashface his own and nothing.
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what happened to Luke?
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>>17791041
Wake me up when the real MVP is back.
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>>17791083
There is a Wookiepedia page for anything you can imagine. I really feel sorry for people who get autistic about SW canon, it must be hard.
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>>17789700
>I do agree that the new heroes should have gotten their own signature ship though.
Like what though?

Would they just use a newer YT-series transport? Maybe a variant of the Outrider (YT-2400) that Finn and Rey would end up commandeering or earning through a ballsy gamble?

Or would it be one of the more militarized ships like some of the Legends Corvettes used by smugglers and PMCs?
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>>17791097
He learned the last lesson in being a Jedi Master; hardcore trolling.
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>>17791101
look up sex/rape.
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>>17791102
Give them the Moldy Crow so they can shit on Kyle one more time.
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>>17791108
he was the one that killed /swco/
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>>17791109
Okay, *almost* anything you can imagine
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>>17791101
Whoa now. Are you implying that the fine editors of Wookieepedia's strenuous standards for accuracy and completeness are, perhaps, not the best use of their time?
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i like this over the FO
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>>17791130
I like the totally not BoS wide-troopers, it's cool to see a Stormtrooper variant with a distinct body type like that
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>>17791121
yes
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>>17791140
>totally not BoS
Dark Forces predates Fallout by a couple years.
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>>17791121
Ok to be fair about ducks, the novelization of ANH has one of the weirdest moments where, in response to Obi-Wan making a metaphorical reference to ducks, Luke straight up asks what a duck is.
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>>17791162
Huh, you're right, I thought they were closer together
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>>17791171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E55t0lnp_8M
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>>17786700
Jade never was a Sue.
She wasn't the deepest character, but Mara had her vulnerability moments, especially after giving birth to Ben. Not to mention, she legitimately changed over her depcited life, going from an angry sperg who doesn't really care about anyone but herself to a caring wife and mother.
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>>17791171
>Suddenly the boyish twinkle returned to those piercing eyes along with the old man’s natural humour. ‘I understand you’re quite a pilot yourself. Piloting and navigation aren’t hereditary, but a number of the things that can combine to make a good small-ship pilot are. Those you may have inherited. Still, even a duck has to be taught to swim.’
>‘What’s a duck?’ Luke asked curiously.
>‘Never mind. In many ways, you know, you are much like your father.’ Kenobi’s unabashed look of evaluation made Luke nervous. ‘You’ve grown up quite a bit since the last time I saw you.’
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>>17791180
It's a lot less dumb now that I can appreciate that of course someone who lived their life on a desert planet wouldn't know about waterfowl, but when I first read that bit I legit thought it was supposed to be some kind of 4th wall joke and that ducks didn't actually exist in the Star Wars galaxy.

Childhood reading comprehension is weird.
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>>17791171
That's actually why I looked up "duck". I remember reading that novelization years ago, and I was wondering if they were silly enough to cite it. It's there, of course, just on the "Legends" tab.

Another cool thing is that on the Canon side, ducks are in the "Species of undefined sentience" list, but on the Legends side they're clarified to be non-sentient.
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I actually like the new Sith Trooper design. I only wish they had a ceremonial pauldron with half-cape or something.
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I still wish TRAITOR-san was cyborg'd into a First Order Dark Trooper, and make the whole project canon again. Have him constantly pursuing Finn and losing, only to come back more and more robotic until he's basically a head in a First Order Phase 3 Type Dark Trooper. Maybe also to a lesser extent, have the FO do the same for injured Troopers, as well as having "loyal wingman" drone Troopers to help artificially buff their numbers.
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>>17791220
but then you run into the issue of how a janitor keeps beating these super soldiers. I mean he beat Phasma, but stil...
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>>17791227
The Janitor learned Space Jujitsu or Space Junkyard Martial Arts, where "anything can be a weapon. Even a mop", in order to be of more use to Rey. So since this goes against every standard FO training protocol, TRAITOR-san just can't seem to figure out how to effectively deal with Janitor.
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>>17791212
I think I would like it better if it were a different color. I know they were going for this sort of mix between one of the old royal guards and a stormtrooper, but the all-red armor makes it look plasticky and toy-like. It's the same issue I had with Snoke's praetorian guards.
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the new AT-ST
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>>17791280
Metal Gear?!?
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>>17791280
that looks badass, why wasn't it in the movies?
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>>17791362
it's a fan creation as you can tell by the information on the bottom of the image
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>>17791200
Say what you want about the guy, but George Lucas knew how to pick his designers.
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>>17791267
who wore it better?
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>>17785373
These motherfuckers haven't read the X-Wing series
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>>17788063
Yes, it's a standout moment in the (slightly silly) Death Star novel.
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Steampunk Star Wars when?
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>>17788615
>Let's make all critical systems exposed by having our hull being completely exposed for more natural starlight
10/10 aesthetics, 0/10 functionality

The should've adopted more raider class corvettes
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>>17791173
>>17791140
They're that shape because they're literally robots. Dark Troopers are what happens if you give a Terminator endoskeleton a jetpack, power armour that can take a lightsaber without damage, and a huge fucking gun.
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>>17791437
hopefully never
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*shuts your Star Destroyer the fuck down*
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>>17791439
Is is not like a big ass flight deck? It's just open for no reason?
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>>17791370
the bottom of the image says "ILM art department"
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>>17791382
The Empire's by a long shot. The praetorian guard designs are neat but their lack of uniformity kills them in my view. It's like they drew a bunch of potential concepts for guards and then went with all of them when they should have settled on one.
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>>17791447
The Bandai model kit of this is fucking amazing. The detail on it is above any gunpla they make.
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>>17791453
https://ilmchallenge.artstation.com/
>Industrial Light & Magic, Wacom and ArtStation teamed up to give thousands of artists the opportunity to experience the thrill of working as a concept artist in the world of Star Wars with the ILM Art Department. Through a series of challenges including The Moment, The Ride, and The Job, ILM’s Art Directors challenged artists to imagine key moments, new vehicle designs, character and droid designs, and epic battles within the Star Wars universe.
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>>17791447
I used to have a Y-Wing toy with a little rotating turret on the cockpit canopy. Why doesn't this one have one?
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>>17791451
If you've played the Nu- Battlefront II, everything is exposed.
It's also a flightdeck and engineering bay, but with all the critical systems even more exposed than previous ISD designs. The previous hangar system where you get the ray shield entrance was perfectly fine, now it just blows up spectacularly
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>>17784189
At least The Mandalorian looks like it could be pretty cool.
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>>17791489
That ship reminds me of Jango's from Bounty Hunter before you get Slave I.
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>>17791489
I sincerely hope he isn't boba fett and they don't confirm it until the season 1 finale after disney+ already has a couple months of money from the fans expecting boba kino
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>>17791508
There's probably actual planes that are a closer inspiration, but I see that and all I can think is Talespin.
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The most tactical of Stormtroopers. I like it; reminds me of a Star Wars Master Chief.
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>>17791561
Why's he so angry?
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>>17791508
Used to play that game a lot
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>>17787079
I agree. A flawed movie made from love and passion is always better than a lifeless shitty product made from a desire for cash.
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>>17791563
Because the regular Storm Troopers can't hit shit, and he or she is working overtime killing what the Storm Troopers failed to kill. So they've donned a customized helm that just emanates sheer rage.
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>>17791116
BREASTS ARE NO LONGER CANON
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>>17791464
Rebels often replaced the turret with fixed forward-facing guns

That's the in-universe justification, out of universe the first models had a glass canopy on the turret but it fucked with the bluescreen composing
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>>17791464
There's two major variants of the Y-Wing. One of them is single-seated and locks the turret forward, the other is dual seated and has a functioning turret.

Though, that was back in the old days.
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>>17791471
to be fair, you don't expect enemy fighters to fly inside your own ship unless the point defense system fucked up big time, and the resurgent was like 90% PD
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>>17791561
what if we gave stormtroopers a fuckton of steroids? Don't need to aim if you can hit them with your blaster and cave their skull in
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>>17791630
>to be fair, you don't expect enemy fighters to fly inside your own ship

2 Death Stars and a SSD were lost to Rebs penetrating their respective point defense screens.

Congratulations FO you learned NOTHING
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>>17791629
Did they change that? Last I remember, the one from the original trilogy was the same as the clone wars version, but they stripped the special armor for reasons, and made some mods to the cockpit.
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>>17791636
S.T.O.R.M. - T.R.O.O.P.E.R.
Special Tactics Opposing Rebel Menace - Tactical Reinforced Operator Of Protecting Empire's Regime
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>>17791634
That's probably an upgrade. Combine that with their electro-batons and futuretech scythes and just unleash a bunch of 'roid raging Berserker Troopers. Reinforce their armor with laser and light-saber resistant materials and give them powered armor (or at least powered arms; for power fisting and power smashing).
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>>17791647
I really don't know, I'm recalling from memory here and the last time I dealt in Y-Wing minutiae was before the Disney Retcon so I dunno if there's still two BTL models.

I remember that, at the time before we ever saw what the fully clad Y looked like, that at minimum it was definitely true that the skeletal fighter bomber of the OT was far more dressed up at one time, but past that there was a pressing need to reconcile some apocrypha regarding the Y's which I guess is why there are at least two BTL model codes.

I'd have to dig around for sources to figure out how things stand outside of Legends.
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>>17791635
To be fair, the resurgent's main design principle is ADD MORE PD. ISD's and imperial craft in general had next to zero PD, which allowed the rebels to be so successful in the first place
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>>17791663
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What do you think of Fractalsponge's models?
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>>17791956
I masturbate to his art. Why hasn't ILM picked him up yet?
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>>17791956
Love his hovertank stuff
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>>17792038
The fact that we don't have a vehicle combat focused SW movie is criminal. Imagine Fury but set in the SW universe, maybe some planetary defense force fighting a land war against an empire takeover

Also, I think we hit the bump limit
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>>17792111
they can't even bring back demolition or make a new version of it which is the real tragedy here
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>>17792181
I guess that falls under EA's battlefront umbrella
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>>17791956
>What if a Star Destroyer was also a galley?
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>>17792372
i think those are missile launchers
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>>17790615
Except this time it actually affected later events
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>>17791117
>Aayla Secura reveals a breast
This is a good page indeed
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>>17791681
TFA showed off pd and then it went away in TLJ.
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>>17789774
Great, we get a lopsided super ship.
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>>17792977
the first battle in TLJ is all about PD; they have to send the resistance's best ace to take out the PD or it will shred their fleet
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>>17793016
Pd in TFA were missile launchers which promptly shot Poe down. Then the dreadnought had two dozen oversized towers.
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>>17789774
I don't think the entire space battle past/future make any sense in light of that one cool looking but very stupid scene. The entire movie was a linear sequence of neat looking setpieces visually with zero narrative sense.

They literally shot down every space battle before or why they even have a death star ever when you can fire undetectable, shield penetrating, FTL missles. It makes the opening scene really retarded where you have a space battleship get blown up in a gravity dropped suicide run of FTL capable bombers which could have gotten away with just FTL jumping one bomber with bombs into the ship to achieve the same effect without major losses. Why bother with hard to defend death stars/death planets when you can just use compact FTL drives on rocks/bombs/missles to glass planets at a distance with no warning, no charge up time, no single point that you can fight from. War becomes trivially easy. It make planet destruction as simple as strapping a capital ship FTL drive to a comet and just jumping it into a planet causing massive destruction.

Even on a small scale missles/bombs are useless. Shields are useless. Planetary shields mean nothing.
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>>17791659
kids next door fan are we?



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