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I thought it was pretty damn good.
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I was not expecting that. Seems like most of the reviews have been pretty good. I might have to go see it.

Of course, now Hollywood is going to latch onto anime adaptations ss the next big thing and most of them are gonna be as bad as we expected this one to be, but this too shall pass.
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>>17230876
I don't believe you OP, not after GiTS.
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I saw it a couple of days ago and really liked it. They did a good job on the way they adapted it into a movie length story.

I had to see the 3d version so I want to go again for 2d
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Im in love with her bros!!
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>>17231102
How is 3D nowadays? last 3D movie I saw was Spy Kids 3D
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>>17230876
I bet you did, paid hollywood shill.
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>>17230876
Fuck off

>>17231163
Based
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Shill.
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>>17231169
>>17231185
Really? Doing that shit here?
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>>17231200
Really? Doing this shit here?
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>>17231152
3d as a gimmick (especially if added on after the fact) is still bad. 3d as a method of just adding depth to scenes and improving immersion can be pretty good. There seems to be proportionately more of the latter these days.
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so what was that ending?
did they want the audience to read the old manga (fat chance normies don't read manga) or begging plea for sequel?
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>>17231233
I would assume it's sequel bait. I'd be down but I just don't think it's going to make the money necessary to allow for it.

It was okay.
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I can understand people shilling on /tv/ but on /m/?
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>>17230918
Nah, despite being surprisingly good according to most early reviews this is going to bomb hard domestically.
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Ayy lmao
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>>17231324
if its actually good, seems like the type of things where we should be lucky it was even made
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>>17231336
No, you should be ashamed that it's good. It will create anime movies that will fail zettai
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>/m/ live action being good
OH NONONONONONO
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>>17231281
i thought /m/ likes MUH CYBERPOONK MUH FLOOF
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Its bad its bad its absolutely objectively bad, so bad that you can tell it by hearing the name
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>>17231364
we (/m/) don't have a collection opinion.

*I* can't stand western live-action adaptations.

They do a poor job of representing a franchise (sometimes for the first initial exposure) to the West, the movie does poorly in the box office, and then the blame falls on the fans for not supporting the franchise; even if the product is garbage.

Hollywood blamed the GiTS catastrophe on the audiences unwillingness to accept ScarJo in the role -- wrong.

It was because this distillation of GiTS was entirely ham-fisted with about 40 interwoven plot arcs that were touched upon so shallowly that the entire movie was an incoherent mess.

Each general plot arc outline was from the manga, but either the resolution to the arc was entirely changed or the arc was abandoned and forgotten altogether with the hopes that the audience wouldn't remember to question it.

Western releases of manga and anime typically create a release that exemplifies Western culture.

So, what did they do with GiTS, a franchise that although laden with sex and violence usually uses such things as a way to introduce the reader/viewer to a cerebral idea?

Strip the philosophy, and ship the sex and violence.

I fully expect all future Western adaptations to follow suit. I guess i'll just stick my thumb up my ass until Hollywood shits out whatever is going to ruin Akira and Cowboy Bebop further.
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>>17231410
But Akira still remains untouched aside from few merchs.... Or is there anything I missed?
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>>17231363
bambarubii was betty gud
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>>17231281
I would sincerely prefer you leave the tv board's brain parasites on the tv board.

I'm saying it's a good movie because I've seen it and thought it was a good fucking movie, plain and simple.
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>>17231415
Also some real talk here the Akira OVA does enough to ruin Akira's plot, visually its a stunner but compared to the manga its very shallow.
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>>17231450

I loved how Cameron managed to squeeze in more content than the OVA had.
The motor-ball segments pleases the eyes and he didn't really fuck up the story much by bringing it forward despite losing a couple of characters...who can still be introduced in the sequel...if there is one..*fingers crossed*
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>>17231450

So the manga has something more than unlikeable people doing unpleasant things to each other going on?
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It keeps bouncing around 60 on RT.
>In b4 rt
I know "RT LOL" but still considering I was expecting an absolute disaster this is a lot stronger of a response than I was expecting.
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If there's a rocket hammer somewhere in the movie I'll definitely get off my butt to watch this.
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>>17231324
Thank God. Do we really want anime to be the next Marvel annual blockbuster capeshit?
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>>17231364
I like anime.
Movies not so much really.
Dont see how a Hollywood adaptation adds anything.
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>>17234523
The problem with Marvel, in their films and comics, is that they fuck every character arc sideways by interrupting them with awful pointless crossover events.
GitS, Gunnm, Gundam and whatever else can be done well in film. They just need competent screenwriters and visual effects.
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>>17234654
Pretty big JUST
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>>17231548
Yes, it has likable people doing unpleasant things to each other.
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>>17231324
Now let's pray the fucking insects don't save this pile of trash.
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>>17234523
Considering that Broly made over 100 million on a budget of 8.5 million, actual anime (or at least, anime with a strong nostalgic appeal) could end up being a thing that draws some big crowds for summer releases again. Even Mazinger Z Infinity's limited release got a fairly decent reception, all things considered.

Not saying it's a good or bad thing, but it's some food for thought.
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>>17235259
Thing is, Broly both had a massive marketing push, a ton of hype from Super airing, two fan favorites getting a shot in the spotlight, and it was actually good.
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>>17235291
I'd say "Dragonball just prints money" but that doesn't adequately exclude Evolution from the pattern. Apparently the incredibly low standards of the fandom stop right before live action cash-in?
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>>17235259
Thing is only something as fuckhuge as DBZ can get that kind of response in North America
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>>17235303
Difference is Evolution was dogshit and everyone knew it would be.
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>>17235291
Not denying any of that, I'm just saying that this is the kind of thing that will get the suits to take notice. Dragon Ball or not, it still nearly made 12 times its budget back, hype or not. We very well could see some actual theatrical anime releases beyond just a few limited runs.

>>17235297
Evolution was a guaranteed bomb and the ur example of Hollywood making a cheap cash-in attempt at a popular franchise.

>>17235303
Pokemon probably still could, I mean fuck, as nightmarish as some of the things in Detective Pikachu are it's still generating some noticeable hype. MAYBE Gundam, but that'd lean on some very middling nostalgia.
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>>17235313
Meant for >>17235297
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>>17235259
Broly had the bonus of also being fun
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I'm kind of interested in seeing it because it's gotten some decent word of mouth but fuck me it has some of the worst marketing I've ever seen. It's basically
>uuuuuuuuh remember Avatar and how cool that was in theaters? Go see this in theaters too!
Gonna be Edge of Tomorrow 2.0 and flop hard
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>>17235316
That doesn't sound as optimistic as you're trying to make it seem. Suits trying to replicate the success from Broly and not really understanding how it happened is the more likely result.
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>>17235313
But anon, DragonBall is dogshit.
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>>17234484
>If there's a rocket hammer somewhere in the movie I'll definitely get off my butt to watch this.

It has the most sincere appearance of a rocket hammer you will find in a western movie
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>>17235329
>Gonna be Edge of Tomorrow 2.0 and flop hard
Edge of Tommorow didn't flop, it was a critical success and grossed over two times its budget. How is that a flop?
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>>17235593
Things can't make money, they have to make all the money.
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>>17235593
some consider it a flop for deviating from the original material and/or casting tom cruise

imho it was ok, and really good for the mecha porn
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>>17235593
*flop domestically
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>>17235608
Taking a very loose approach to adapting the story was probably the best thing EoT had going for it, I feel if it tried to be exactly like AYNIK it would've truly fallen apart.

It's this weird sweet spot of familiar yet different giving EoT a favorable position of reimaginative adaptation rather than raw copypaste.
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>>17235641
beign creative with the concept , something really alien to big hollywood films other than marvel studios
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>>17235593
Capeshits idiots think a movie is a flop if it doesn't make at least one billion at the box office.
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>>17235678
That's just silly. A billion is rarified turf. Strictly speaking, a film needs to make more than twice its budget in order to actually turn a profit because only half of the box office haul actually goes to the studios. Merchandising can offset this, if there's enough merchandising to be had. A 200m film that brings 350m at the box office does actually lose money though. 5-600m is a more realistic measure of actual success.
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>>17231249
This is why I won't see it till I can torrent it.
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It was KINO
Alita is CUTE
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Just got back from this. It was entertaining, which is all I really wanted from it. I'll leave it to those who have stronger feelings about it to decide it's worth.

That said, that rocket hammer though, and Chiren in those stockings.
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>/m/ will complain about the eyes but vehemently defend shitty Hiraiface
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>>17236862
That's valid though. Hiraiface is uniform among characters of the same age. Alita has a weird alien face despite her not actually looking different from other girls her age in the manga.
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>>17236866
In the movie, Alita isn't the only person who looks like that.
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>>17235608
>casting Tom Cruise
Literally nothing wrong with that. All of his movies range from great to entertaining at least.
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I liked it.
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>>17236945
Cocktail is one of Rotten Tomatoes worst rated movies, ever.

He has plenty of other flops, too , but i'm lazy.
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>>17231415
https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2018/04/10/taika-waititi-is-still-trying-to-get-his-head-around-adapting-akira-into-a-live-action-movie/#2301738c202d

not for long motherfucker.
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>>17235339
But at least in animated form, it's FUN dogshit.
The live action version stripped all the joy and fun from it.
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>>17237294
Waititi no

He'd be FAR better suited for a Cowboy Bebop adaptation
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>>17237294
>>17237490
He'd make it a comedy though, fuck that.
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It was absolutely lovely. I don't know how much of it is Gunnm and how much of it is original but every little scene was in place and so many fine details were put to good use.
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>>17238463
Piss off, shill.
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>>17238487
No you shut the fuck up you joyless contrarian cunt.
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>>17238491
>contrarian
Shill confirmed.
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>>17231324
most of the reviews I've read thus far people have been complaining that it's almost "too anime"
>>17237294
would be better if he adapted the manga into a high budget tv show or somethin
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>>17238570
>reviews
What kind of normiefags do you have to be to carry about reviews from Disney's ass lickers?
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Saw it yesterday, it doesn't hold any candle to the manga but it is still far better than the OVAs.
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>>17238583
I only care in the sense I enjoy pissing myself off
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>>17231415
It was supposed to be in development but things have gone very quiet, thankfully.
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>>17230918
> A James Cameron movie gets positive reviews regardless of how shit it is
His name's on it; that's literally it. Some flashy visuals, and a dick too rich not to suck.
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>>17231332
>Eye LMAO
FTFY
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>contrarian

You know this makes me sad. You can't have your own individual opinion anymore. If your views do not allign with the agreed upon hive mind you're a "contrarian".
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>>17236862
Anime styles don't work in 3DPD movies.
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>>17236862
Hirai can't do any better than Hirai face.
They could've just left the actress' face untouched and I would have bought a ticket.
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>>17239074
>Anime styles don't work in 3DPD movies.
>big goofy eyes do though -- those aren't anime characteristics. no way.
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>>17239066
Peer pressure has always governed fandom.
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>>17238930
He didn't even direct it though, Robbie Rodriguez did.
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>>17238930
BS. Critics and hollywood have always had it in for Cameron. They are literally always shilling against everything he does, and theyve been doing it for over 25 years
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>>17234654
That's a lot of JUST right there. I've not seen a hollywood film manage that properly since the 90s.
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>>17230876
Just saw it today, I thoroughly enjoyed it, it feels half as long as it is though since the pacing is so fast. Almost wish there was like a half hour more footage so some of the scenes could breath more.

Also the movie was a real visual treat. I loved all the little cyborgs bits on the extras in the backgrounds throughout the entire movie, really makes you feel like this is a worlds where at least half the people are some degree of cyborg.

My only real grips where some of the lines were cringy, the eyes still look wrong and honestly they didn't even need them, and the ending after the ending felt completely unnecessary. The movie had a perfect spot to end on and then it throws in this sequel bait scene for no reason.
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>>17239066
It's the opposite. You can't praise anything without immediately being called a shill.
Here's a simple guide.
You like something I don't? You're a shill.
You dislike something I like? You're a contrarian.
Enjoy your stay!
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The Critics hated it , and the normal people loved it .
so , it must be a fun movie ,
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>>17240026
>it feels half as long as it is though since the pacing is so fast
Definitely thought the same, at one point I realized that they still had to do the Motorball race and tie up the two, maybe three, separate villians plus the Yugo (ahem, "Hugo") plot and looked at the time because that was quite some stuff to wrap up while we were at, what, around the 1 hour mark? Instead the movie was already 95 minutes in, which surprised me, and yet it still managed to tie everything up nicely both plotwise and thematically-wise.
It's not a great movie, and sadly it doesn't have some outrageously stunning visual sequence or a distinct cyberpunk aesthetics (it doesn't even try to go for anything particularly cyberpunk), but it's incredibly solid and tight, much more than it has any right to for what is basically a sci-fi young adult rearrangement of Alita's plot
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>>17240540
Never take the (((critics))) seriously. There's an almost inverse correlation between people's ratings and their ratings, most of the time. Looking at you, Mickey Star Wars.
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>>17231152
The 3D on Alita is fantastic and a great example of good 3D in a movie that isn't 100% CG like a Pixar movie. It's extremely immersive and only helps sell the Scrapyard as a real place with real cyborgs.

That said, if you want to see the pinnacle of 3D then catch a cinema re-release of Avatar. I didn't give a shit about the movie when it came out but I can't deny that it's the benchmark for modern 3D.
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>>17240540
The critics are all bought and paid.
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>>17241476
>both were made by Cameron
Really gets the nogging going.
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Can I just take a moment of everyone's time to vent some hate at Jon Landau? Motherfucker is the reason why they named this flick Alita: Battle Angel and not the better sounding and more appropriate Battle Angel Alita. Why the change? Because James Cameron produces movies with names beginning with T or A. Titanic, Avatar, Terminator, Aliens, True Lies. That's why. The most FUCKING STUPID REASON EVER.
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>>17230876
I just finished watching it and while the cg was on point, the film felt like it was rushing through the story to fast, Hugo's acting was laughable, and the music was never on point.
The action was very well animated though.
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>>17241476
Yeah have to agree. The film needs some work, but I'd love to visit the world they created.
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>>17241898
More on my view, I think the should have made the film mostly centered around motorball, and had the origin story take place in flashbacks.
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>>17241828

Kabbalah is a serious matter for Jewish people who run the industry anon.
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>>17241828
It's actually so if this makes a franchise you can change out the "Battle Angel" part and replace it with something else for a sequel
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>>17236862
really? I've seen a lot of people on /m/ shit on hiraiface, only the biggest of seedfags defend it and nobody likes seedfags
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Mangafag here. That was actually suprisingly decent. I expected to hate it and i really didn't. The only two things that bothered me was that every cyborg needed a human face, no matter how extensive the rest of the modifications were and how a lot of the dialogue felt clunky, as if it were a dubbed foreign film.
But the presentation and tone of the film were pretty great. And I didn't mind a lot of the changes. Nova hacking random people was actually pretty cool.
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>>17242346
>I expected to hate it and i really didn't
That was my biggest take away too, ever since I saw the eyes I expected this to be terrible just like the rest of the anime/video game movies I've ever seen. But this one was actually pretty okay, the dialogue was cringy, they changed quite a bit and it's more like that OVA than the Manga, and what they did with Nova's character was a bit perplexing to say the least and you'd think it'd end up being terrible but the two hours breezed by and I found myself pleased with what I saw.

I wouldn't say it was great by any measure of the word but yeah, I liked it and that was pretty unexpected all things considered.
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>>17239194
Big goofy eyes aren't anime characteristics
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>>17242391
Oh, ok.
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>>17242397
Western cartoonists have used the large eyes=cute formula years before Tezuka even picked up a pen. Humans inherently find large eyes as a "vulnerable" trait.

It is not an "anime" thing.
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>>17242438
Oh, ok.
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The dialogue was really bad in places, Iron City was too clean, Nova should have been left out, and how they attempted to water down Hugo's character was pretty forced. But it's a huge step in the right direction for Hollywood when it comes to live-action anime.
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>>17241476
I still feel like they should've tried to recreate at least something out of the original cyberpunk aesthetics (even if it'd feel a bit derivative now which is ironic because stuff like The Matrix actually takes after Alita) instead, but since they decided to let that one go I'd say they did a great job at using their budget right.
You don't have state of the art 3DCG in the big sequence only to have subpar one when it's not that noticeable like happens so often even in big productions.
Sure seeing normal people in normal clothes and a robot arm in what looked like the Ciudad de Mexico downtown but with extra pipes is a far shot from the absolute lawless dereliction of a metal scrap city where everyone is dressed in big ragged capes and wears cyberpunk glasses and helmets but everything (aside from the terrible playground motorball part) felt real as in "yeah those guys are really out there walking around with robot arms" real, same for the Motorball looking like a Nascar arena with normal-looking public.
Did it feel like the original Gunm world? No. Did it feel like a convincing, well-established sci-fi world where to retell the story of Alita and have cyborgs with good CG doing shit like it's the most obvious thing in the world? Yes (to quote /tv/, "and that's a good thing")
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Shill shilling.

I remember /m/ was shilling for practically every goddamn movies with a robot in it, Age of Ultron included.
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I loved it. They definitely embraced anime/manga as a genre in addition to adapting it.

It would have been better with a longer runtime to flesh it out more, but Alita herself was perfection.

Best anime to live adaptation by huge significant margin
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Everything that had to do with Alita being an adorable little murder ball was great.
Everything else? Not so much.
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>>17242764
You mean best adaptation of a battle/action manga, since there are countless superior adaptations of romance/SoL material

>>17242507
All of this basically boils down to "the overall plot was made to fit a young adult novel pattern". Desty Nova was needed for everyone else to work and create a big bad for sequel bait, if anything they improved his overall narrative role even at the cost of mistaking his character. Creating Jennifer Connelly's character to simultaneously solve a number of problems the plot could've had did wonders too, when I was really irked by her presence at the start
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>>17241480
unironically one of my favorite movies.
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>>17242768
I loved how she was like an actual sadist who gleefully murders people and seems to enjoy hurting people. It was not something I was expecting at all. She's like discovering who she is but who she really isn't the cute vulnerable waifu you were expecting but this crazy bitch with hotblood and bloodlust who goes out of her way to start bar fights, finds an ancient super weapon murder body and wants to jump into it, and participates in bloodsports for the thrill of it.
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>>17242807
>cute vulnerable waifu you were expecting
Who the fuck was expecting that? Did you read the manga? Because if anything the violence was incredibly toned down.
She didn't really kill anyone until the end and barely even takes actions that result in killing (like the hunter warrior who follows her to the rooftops and gets crushed by gears). She never goes through months of being a hunter warrior killing low-key mooks, she was just willing to kill the "big bad who's so bad he killed a dog" (oh, but we're not going to show that) and eventually did, but he's always presented as this absolute evil who's more metal than man.
The only kill that felt real because it carried narrative weight was Vector's because it's where she accepts her identity as the one who stands against evil no matter the cost, and even then they had to show that he had killed Jennifer Connelly to show how irredeemable he was.
The bar scene sets her up as determined, spunky and hotblooded rather than 'fine with murder because that's just how their world is'. She's basically an action hero with a chosen one destiny added to it, which is perfectly okay, but she's no iron-willed human weapon
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>>17241480
The fuck? That movie was glorious.
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>>17241432
The Orville is another example of that disparity.
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>>17242807
This nigger hasn't read the manga.
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>>17242317
Funny, since the latinamerica name is Battle Angel: The Last Warrior.
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>>17242943
>>17242824
>hasn't read the manga.
Is that a problem? I think I watched the anime on VHS once back in the 90s. All I remember was the part where the dog got sliced up.

I really don't watch much anime that doesn't have giant robots in it.
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>>17243018
It's one of the best jap syfy action manga.
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>>17242771
>Desty Nova was needed for everyone else to work and create a big bad for sequel bait,
I feel like they delibeately fucked it over for a sequel. Motorball is already completely spoiled despite us not actually seeing Alita compete for real. Chiren apparently has a brain which preemptively ruins the parallels for the citizens of Tiphares/Salem and they removed all attempts to make Nova into a neutral party.
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>>17231415
so will they have a slit eye guy to play the part?
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>>17243068
>Motorball is already completely spoiled despite us not actually seeing Alita compete for real.
I don't know about that. I loved the motorball stuff so much I wouldn't be opposed to an entire movie about it. It reminded me of F-Zero GX in the best way possible I don't think I'd ever get tired of that shit.
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>>17231249
Eyes need to be about 800% bigger and wetter
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I haven't watched the movie yet, but the previews seem to make her look like a goodie two-shoes superhero that always does the best thing no matter what, while she somewhat of a self-centered asshole that is very close to getting off to fighting in the manga. Is this correct?
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>>17243474
Sorta
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>>17243474
see >>17242807
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A decent enough action flick.

>>17231152
When it works you don't notice, when it's improperly used it kills your immersion, when it falls short you get a headache.

>>17243474
She's mostly just absolutely all in for what she loves. If she loves you she'll happily rip out her own heart if it can help you in any way whatsoever. If you threaten someone she loves then she'll take more punishment than the black knight and still try to rip your throat out. Add to this that her first and main love in life is fighting...
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>>17242824
>>17242943
>read the manga
but you don't need to, just like you don't need to read the original books to enjoy LOTR/Harry Potter/Ender's Game/Edge of Tomorrow etc.

in fact, most of the time, reading the source material only puts it on a pedestal for you to compare (read: shit on) the adaptation to, like you did.
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>>17244452
Fuck off and read the damn manga.
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>>17244456
why should I?
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>>17244466
You'd probably enjoy it
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>read the manga
>to justify the movie being great

that's why youre going have people on both sides of the spectrum - that is the RT score and User score. i'm definitely the former since I never read the manga: pacing was horrible, more jarring cuts than camera techniques, and the world design was pretty uninteresting (generic middleeastern like city sprawl) other than the android cgi blending in real well. i also hated that we were at the doctor's house for what it felt like 50% of the movie.

but according to all these threads it's close to the manga, and there's a lot of merit to that: so hopefully it's a sign for better adaptations to come.
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I saw it today.
Cameron really like motorball, to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if he does some remake of Rollerball.
I thought it was a good adaptation. It felt kind of wooden in the first 10 minutes or so, but it evened out into a decent action movie.
I did like Alita finding the beserker body in the crashed ship. That felt more natural than Ido just happening to have one in a closet.
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This is an actual passion project though. Cameron's wanted to do this for decades. And it shows when you actually watch it.
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>>17231152
I'd say it's easily one of the best 3D movies ever made. It's shot in 3D, it's not a post-convert like most of them and it's actually framed for IMAX aspect ratio rather than again being cropped and blown up.

It's up there with Avatar. If you're going to see it in theaters IMAX 3D is the way to do it.
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>>17244456
I mean the manga good, I'm not really a purist myself and I can totally accept things need to change. You can't have stuff like the guy eating brains and this is already not working as a PG-13 it would be an ever harder sell as a Hard R rated movie. But if you liked the movie by all means read the Manga, it's good.
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>>17245130
Honestly, I felt I wasted my money going to it in 3D. There wasn't a whole lot that popped out besides the chain sequence in the sewer. The motorball sequence was nice but not very lengthy. In fact, they could've omitted it entirely to the plot's benefit.
Besides that, I liked it a lot. So many details are faithfully kept in that the stuff they missed (like the Deckman being a puppet and getting bullied) seems more noticeable than if they'd phoned it in.
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>>17245218
Did you see it in IMAX 3D or the normal RealD 3D?

They're kinda worlds apart, same was true for Avatar. Then again popping out isn't really what they're going for it's about adding depth to the frame more than it is about the gimmicky style of "whoa it's coming out of the screen at me" Spy Kids 3D style.
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>>17245233
The regular 3d.
Well, I don't go to 3d just to look for the gratuitous shots of stuff popping out. In fact, I hate those shots since they stick out so badly in 2d that it wrecks my immersion. The best possible use of 3d are in unabashed sfx showcases, which I can't agree this was with Rodriguez in the chair.
So if my experience of the movie is no different than if I were watching the regular 2d, then I may as well have gone to that instead.
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>>17245266
>The regular 3d.
Yeah, if you're not going to see it in IMAX 3D or you don't have an IMAX 3D screen in your area but you still want to see it definitely save the extra bucks and just see it in 2D. I don't see the point in seeing these types of movies normal 3D. it doesn't add much and the glasses always fuck the luminescence of the screen.
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>>17245282
>>The regular 3d.
>I don't see the point in seeing these types of movies normal 3D. it doesn't add much and the glasses always fuck the luminescence of the screen.
Because I'm cheap and wanted to walk into Happy Death Day 2.
Anyway, don't they brighten the picture to offset the polarity difference?
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>>17245294
Sometimes but that depends on if the projector they're using can output at a high enough luminescence to offset the glasses which isn't always the case with RealD, just brightening the picture isn't enough you've got to actually have a brighter bulb.

In my personal opinion I don't think RealD is usually worth it and I prefer to just see it in 2D if that's the only option. If it's about money I'd have just seen it in 2D, but if its was a scheduling thing that made the choice for you.
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>Shumira never ever
IT HURTS
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I also like that they put in the effort to include characters like Jashugan and implied his arc with Gally happens in the time skip before the ending.
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>>17245402
>Jashugan and implied his arc with Gally happens in the time skip
I hope it didn't, if this ever does get a sequel I'd want more motorball. I like Figure the Mad Max Alita stuff as much as the next guy but I'd feel totally ripped off if we just skipped her actually facing off against Jashugan.
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>>17245421
Sorry, bro. But the ending is right before her final championship match so it's kind of the end of all that.
Like the other people in this thread have said, it's a little hard to know where a sequel would go when they have Nova up in Zalem being a generic bad guy instead of a chaotic neutral madman just dicking around on the surface scarfing down creme caramel.
They'll probably rush right into GRs so Sechs can pander to the you-know-whos.
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>>17244466
Because it's good, one of the greatest action manga by the jap and one of the best syfy setting next to Warhammer 40K.

I'm still eagerly for more Mars Chronicles.
>>17244556
I'm not even going to watch this shit.
>but according to all these threads it's close to the manga,
In what fucking way?
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>>17245462
Her championship match and battle with Jashugan could be an opening scene. That would make for quite the action packed intro.
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>>17245462
The ending is right before her FIRST championship match, not last.
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>>17245486
>I'm not even going to watch this shit.
>still asks people how they can think the movie's good

how about you watch it and form your own opinion instead of being spoonfed "meh it's shit" or "yeah it's great" by randoms?
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>>17246377
You could safely bet money he's a "if it isn't 100% identical to the manga it's shit" brainlet
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>>17246396
yeah, quite pointless arguing with their kind.
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>>17246377
The trailer is already telling enough, it's fucking trash.
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>>17246458
your opinion is fucking trash, and so is the outdated chinese comic you put on a pedestal.

see how easy it is for me to also shit on something i don't know?
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>>17246462
Yes, but no one will take you seriously because you are insulting something that is actually good.
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>>17246468
>something that is actually good
but that's just your opinion

>implying the movie was bad
have you read the thread? did you even read the OP?
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>>17246479
>but that's just your opinion
And?
>have you read the thread? did you even read the OP?
Shills, shills and shills. The film is trash by the trailer.
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>>17246499
It's very good, actually.
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>>17244452
>>17244556
OP
>I didn't read the original material so I expected something really different from what I got
Everyone
>well your expectations were wrong anyway as you'd know if you had read the manga
(You)
>reee why are you telling me to read the manga

>>17245385
Now that's a real downer.
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>>17246520
No, it's not.

Read the fucking manga. It's gonna blow your mind.
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>>17246527
I've already read the manga. It's why I like the movie so much.
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>>17246530
Well then either you have extreme low taste and/or retarded.
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>>17246527
fucking paper shills
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>>17246548
Which this kind of reply, I think we are being shilled.

I refuse to pay money for this shit, I'm gonna pirate it when the BR comes out. You shills ain't gonna earn one cent from me.
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unexpectedly good.
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>>17246530
It's usually best to ignore people like him, he's a purist who hates any degree of change.
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>>17242322
Hiraiface is fine, anons associate it with one shitty series and have a kneejerk negative reaction only because of that.
>s-cry-ed
>fafner
>mjp
>heroic age
All good series with hiraiface. SEED's problem wasn't having hiraiface, SEED's problem is being SEED aka garbage.
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I was surprised, I went in with extremely tempered expectations, and went with my brother (who only went because he saw SJWs where hating it) and another friend (who I'm surprised went because /m/ things are one of his least-favorite genres) and we all left impressed. If I could detract from the film, it would be that you can tell they adapted quite a large chunk of the manga.

Also as a slightly separate note, there was some asshat behind me dropping Pistachio shells all over the floor and just left them there, and some woman kept laughing at times that wherent funny (like people getting cut in half)
I forgot why I dont go the movies.
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>>17246550
>I refuse to pay money for this shit, I'm gonna pirate it when the BR comes out.
Surprisingly enough, it's not the kind of movie where the phrase "you have to watch this in a theater" absolutely applies, when I expected it to be.
It doesn't really have that one big sequence with extremely good CG that completely blows you away (what I expected the Motorball to be), but all of the 3Dcg in the movie looks pretty good. As a result, you have a budget that was put to work the best way and a consistent immersion, but the technical effects crowd who would go watch stuff like Bayformers and Pixar movies to put an eye on how CGI is evolving doesn't really get a real treat aside from Alita's presence and animation.

>>17246605
Fucking amen
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Eventually figured out what the problem with the Motorball CG is: the reflections of the metal parts only reflect the light, but not the surrounding environments, and appear too 'shiny' and as if they were lagging behind in movement a bit as a result.
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>>17246605
>Hiraiface is fine
It's garbage, anon. It can be a part of good series, or it can be part of bad series. Its status as an independent element is separate to what it's been used in. And the simple fact is that sameface is bad, and hiraiface in particular looks retarded.
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>>17246550
I'll pirate the comics too then, ink jew
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>>17246523
>pacing was horrible
>more jarring cuts than camera techniques
>the world design was pretty uninteresting
>i also hated that we were at the doctor's house for what it felt like 50% of the movie.

if you thought critically - the rest are more director/production complaints: i dont care how true it is to the source material - cramming never works.

i did expect more of an unique design, like you could cap every scene - if a boring generic, landscape is inherent of the manga, so be it ( i dont like to believe it, but seeing how it was budgeted at $170 MILLION dollars - they could of gone another direction )

>bad anything adaptation
>just read the supplement material bro
>becomes kino
what's stopping them from being kino from the getgo? do the movie flaws suddenly disappear because the manga is just the same?
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>>17246660
I mean, good for you, but I neither claimed it was good nor bad -just that anon's expectation of Alita being kawaii desu uguu were obviously unfounded because any remotely faithful adaptation would have her as a hotblooded warrior. I might not agree with your evaluation about the movie itself but that's perfectly fine and beyond the original point.
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>>17246631
Looks alright to me.
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>>17246703
then why tag me >>17244556
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>>17246624
Shilling again.

The only thing worth watching for in theater is the sound effect.

Cinema doesn't make the 3D better, it's the reverse.
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>>17246725
>tag
Feel free to go back to whatever site you crawled from
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>>17246742
shut the fuck up aspie
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>>17246624
I totally agree, this is the type of movie I love to see in the theater on the biggest screen possible. The backgrounds are just so full of character there is so much to see they spent a lot of money on this movie and in shots like that it really shows. Like when you look around the crowds every other guy is at least partially cybernetic and that shit doesn't come cheap. Also those shots of Zalem off into the distance really pay off with the 3D giving you that sense of scale it feels massive in a way watching it at home really doesn't. This movie had the cyberpunk scenery porn down pat.
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>>17246745
Jesus christ, the fucking shill man.
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>>17246745
>cyberpunk scenery porn down pat.

lol no
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>>17246748
What's the problem?
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>>17246750
sunlight REEEEE
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>>17246733
>>17246747
Is that all you can say?
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>>17246751
>>17246750
if you masturbate to beats by dre existing 500 years in the future
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>>17246751
Ohhh, I forgot about that meme. I don't go to /v/ much or really anywhere beside /m/. I only osmos these things when they show up on here.

Sorry. My ignorance made me mistake your joke as something I needed to actually reply to.
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>>17246758
not me aspie
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>>17246764
So you were nitpicking about the brand of headphones the extra in the background was wearing and not anything to do with what I was talking about?
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>>17246745
>cyberpunk scenery porn
Where was this? Sure you have Salem in the backgrounds, sure the opening scene in the scrapyard looks great, but literally everything else after the first 2 minutes is a far shot from anything cyberpunk.
Everything looks like your average Central American city of today except with signs in foreign languages -people are walking around in normal clothes and random t-shirts, the air looks perfectly fine, even the architecture doesn't really feel like it's from the future.
I give you that Rodriguez made the city vibrant with sci-fi stuff happening in the background like people with robot limbs or repairing weird mechanical parts was normal, but that's supposed to be the XXVI century, not 100 years from now.
Instead Salem in the manga had this legitimate cyberpunk look, which means
>dark (both as feeling and as in 'poorly lit')
>mostly artificial systems
>tons and tons of metal, mechanical stuff, little to no plastic visible
>feeling of lawlessness always present
>absolute dereliction so not just poverty, rather misery, lots of stealing, beggars
>abandoned factories (Yugo's hideout was made into a church for fuck's sake)
>public spaces are tight and filled with all sorts of people
>everyone's outfits are poorly put together, lots of jackets, capes, hats
>cyborg parts are often slightly disproportioned also not always in full show
tl;dr I could continue but "Guatemala City outskirts except there's people with robot limbs" is not really cyberpunk if not by the largest definition of it available and very, very detached from the manga anyway
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>>17246754
you're right, only the 80s is allowed to exist in the future
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>>17246779
I think you're being overly narrow with your definition and needlessly nitpicky, same goes for the people who complain about sunlight in the cyberpunk game.

Cyberpunk doesn't mean bladerunner, it's high tech contrasted against low society, there are numerous ways you can go about that and this is one of them, and it's a take I haven't really seen in a movie before which is why it was so visually interesting. If this was just another dimly-lit rain-swept street bright with blinking neon lights it wouldn't have been half as interesting to look at. Hell it even has those later in the movie as I recall, when hugo is being hunted it's dark, they're running around abandoned buildings, it's raining it's seemingly everything you're missing.
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Finally watched it last night. I read the manga as a kid and I liked it. I think it's probably the best big-budget anime adaptation. My wife hasn't read the manga, doesn't like cyberpunk or (most) /m/ stuff, and she really liked it. She said it was the best movie she's seen in months.
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I'm sorry but THE EYES ARE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RETARDED
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>>17246834
Such an easy thing to fix too. How did this get by their CGI supervisor?
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>>17231567
RT doesn't like movies.
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>>17246787
because 500 years later people are still using pristine beats by dre - was that in the manga as well?
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>>17231324
Are you shocked? They put the movie in Febuary. The month of death.
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>>17241480
To be fair. It is a godawful movie. But it is the reason why it is amazing.
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So what do you guys think.

I have the hardcover manga in my room but as a procrastinating little shit I have been putting it off for a long ass time.

Think I should read the manga before or after the movie?
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>>17246842
am I the only one not turned off by the eyes? watch this film boost the number of asian youths getting double eyelid surgery I tell you hwhat; making anime real means embracing the uncanny valley
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>>17247274
>watch this film boost the number of asian youths getting double eyelid surgery

Only in China and Japan. It's already super common in Korea and supposedly used by parents as a reward for good grades or making it into a good job or college. It explains why so many kpop starts have round eyes
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>>17247088
Before. I basically did the same.

>>17247274
The eyes are indeed fine.
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>>17247274
Once you start watching the movie you totally forget about the eyes. The eyes also look way more natural in motion than they do in stills.
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>Visually kino

>no one spamming the thread with caps other than my-waifu webms
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>>17247532
That looks awful
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>>17247555
It looks extremely good, actually
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>>17247555
Really I thought those moves looked cool. But what do I know I like watching grown ass men in spandex pretending to beat eachother up.
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>>17247555
Exactly - when the movie is 80% mocap it's not hard to do what was shown.
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>>17247280

Thats only to look more caucasian
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>>17246828

*ahem
joking , crying freeman only cost 5 mill
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>>17247574
It's also basically the only time where you get the real feeling that Panzer Kunst is an actual martial art with distinct strikes and poses rather than just a codename for 'going all out'
I'm considerably peeved about that
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>>17247603
It's explicitly to make their eyes look bigger.
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So I saw it after a friend bought me a ticket and told me after the fact. It's pretty much as I expected. Some cool stuff from the manga and the OVA filtered through modern hollywood perspectives and not really coherent. Also why was this a PG? Yeah, cyborgs get chopped up and there's blue blood for them and some humans die as well, but this was a huge waste to go full Robocop. Also once again thank you for confirming that practical will always look better than 3DCG in these sort of things. More static cameras and practical costumes would make the action in this look far better.
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>>17246745
Are you kidding me? It looks worse than something like Max Headroom. Hardware did it right on a fraction of this things budget.
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>>17230876
I have only 2 complains about the movie.

The lack of management of Silence, something the manga and the OVA did amazingly, some things are best shown, not told. The movie fails at this with the constant talking, but it is something hard for hollywood to grasp so I can somewhat let that one go.

the second one bothered me the most. The absolute and complete lack of correlation between alita's expressions and her actions. Everything was cringy, the speech at Bar Kansas, the lack of emotion while putting doggy's blood... when finding the berserker ...etc. it was annoyingly cringy at all times with mixed facial expressions that notoriouslly denoted that whoever was in charge basicly asked the girl to show random emotions cause' he needed them.

I can accept the fast pace, its a lot of content. I can accept the somewhat happier looking junk city at daylight, I can accept the unnecesary characters that came by and went by with no effect. A main character who's face was mostly looking like an egoraptor flash while doing her lines? no.

Motorball was amazing and if they ever do a sequel doing only motorball arc in detail I'll be 100% over it.

those are my 2 cents and as such are only worth 2 cents.
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>>17248147
>The lack of management of Silence
Americans will never understand it. They added all sorts of sounds and music to Gohan's SSJ2 scene in fucking DBZ even though it's one of a handful of scenes executed so masterfully it's jarring when you watch it. And then they trample all over it even though the dub did an otherwise good job.
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>>17242771
>>17243068
Sequel bait aside, I think Nova was needed because the American audience are huge defenders of the status quo and they need a face for everything wrong in the system rather than admiting the system itself is flawed and could be improved or even displaced for something else. For example Yugo is killed by a rat system defense in the manga, it's the system putting him in his place as a minor disturbance while in the movie Nova himself killed Hugo for fucking with Alita. Yugo was a street kid that got fucked by the system while Hugo was straight out killed by Hugo, a human face we as an audience can hate and root for a hero to kill. There's a big diference there.
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>>17249837
Eh, yes and no.
I fully agree with you about Hollywood movies and Americlap views on the matter in general, but the young adult tale feeling also mitigates this. As in every other YA, you actually do have a vague 'the system itself is wrong' metaphor, but of course that system also needs an uber evil face to it who willingly takes action against the MC and his/her friends to bend their spirit, and symbolize the fall of the system with their inevitable demise.
They could've at least have him eat flan/puddi in one sequence though
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>>17249868
I don't know. The YA setting usually is a pseudo-fascistic shithole that's totally not our America and for this otherness is OK to rebel against the tyrannical government like the founders fathers did or like the allies kicked the nazi butts but Alita's world look too much like our world. A huge gap between the rich and the poor (in this case a literal gap), the poor being forced to mutilate each other for the scraps of the rich, not really good or bad but morally grey people trying to survive with some people more twisted than others, dreams are crushed everyday, etc. Often futuristic dystopias are really about the present and Alita was created during the lost decade. Keeping the huge distance, it remind me to the Hollywood adaptation of V from Vendetta and Alan Moore accusing the Wachowsky of not having the balls (funnier in hindsight) of making the movie in America despite they were so proud of making it about Bush. The thing is a freedom fighter rebelling against the American government is a big no, no matter what
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I saw it last night. I enjoyed it, and I hate live action adaptations by default. It was way more satisfying than the GitS live action. The big eyes CG face thing I was against before I saw it, but while watching the movie it made a kind of sense and I got used to it quickly. Alita was cute. The story flowed well, I thought. I was worried that the rollerball thing was going to take over the movie and it'd just become some generic sports film with sci-fi trappings and shooting at the end, but the length of the movie let a lot of character and plot development happen at a natural feeling pace. There was enough exposition without being drowned in it, and everbody felt "real" instead of cartoonish. Maybe the hunter-warrior with the dogs was cartoonish, but he just passes through in one scene. I had a little trouble believing the actor playing Dr Ido could wield his big rocket hammer with enough effectiveness (he just does not look like a physically capable man,) but it's a minor complaint. The ending was obviously meant for a sequel, and I sincerely hope they get to make one.
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>>17245385
Why did they even include Joshugan if he wasn't going to do anything? You never even really get the idea that he's serious shit.
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>>17243255
By spoiled, I meant by the ending sequence she's already walking into her championship game. We missed her entire career outside of the fake qualifying match. So the most we can hope from It in the sequel is an opening sequence, assuming they would even make a sequel take place just a moment after the ending of the first.
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>>17250047

Do we NEED to see her playing rollerball for 90 minutes?
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>>17246399
A individual being who talks in the cinema and is willing to admit that they do so on social media is not a human being.
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>>17250120
It wouldn't be unwelcome.
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>>17248147
>The lack of management of Silence

Exactly this. You would expect some moments where you can breath and enjoy the scenery, but that really only happens for a bit when they overlook the city from the hotel or go outside to retrieve her power armor. Digesting information non stop isnt great
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I missed Hugos childhood/backstory and felt the motorball parts were unnecessary.
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>>17230876
Just finished the manga today and thought it was fucking awesome. How good are the OVAs? I might put them next on my list of things to do.
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>>17250120
To really do Joshugan any justice he would need proper focus an build up, so yeah.
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>>17235641
My only problem with it was happy ending and lack of coffee but in time I've found it a great movie in it's own right. It is an adaptation of the source material, not scene by scene recreation.
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>>17250401
Hugo was a complete diferent character from Yugo, starting from the age. Being a 12 years old street kid isn't the same to be a 20s something guy having a comfy life in non-Tijuana, playing motorball with friends as a hobby and going to the stadium to see pro motorball later
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So I've been reading the manga and does anyone notice a HUGE change in tone starting with Last Order? Like, It doesn't even seem to share the same sentiments as the original manga. It goes from a tragic life journey to feeling like wuxia where everyone trying to find meaning in brute force and combat. The tone doesn't feel nearly as dark and when something brutal or violent happens it almost feels like it's played for laughs half the time.
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>>17250514
The OVAs are basically the real inspiration for the movie's story. Pretty good for what they are and the aesthetics, but nothing memorable.

>>17250673
Vampires were fucking awesome though that arc felt like a different manga entirely
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I'd never read the manga and saw the movie last week, I loved it.

I couldn't not hunt down the manga and anime after that ending, and I was honestly surprised at how plotless the manga actually was for a long time (not that nothing was happening, just that there was no overarching plot and it was entirely disconnected episodic arcs) and it honestly made me appreciate the movie even more for it's adaption choices. I'm definitely liking the manga but the movie has a lot of improvements.
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>>17250039
sequel bait
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>>17250673

To be fair, Alita was trying to find purpose through brute force from the very start. It's a universe where clobbering people is how you learn about yourself, even in the original series.

And the author didn't loser his touch in terms of brutality. Mars Chronicle has several "WTF" moments that would fit nicely in the original series with a lot less humor backing it up. In fact, I'd say it's darkness to humor ratio is pretty close to the original series.
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>>17245027
cameron is too bush being insane for avatar sequels
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>>17239717
>What is The Dark Knight
The problem will always be properly adapting what makes any given series worthwhile in the first place. For Alita, it was the world-building, which apparently they did well, so people like it. For Gundam, it will be marrying stupidly-flashy giant robot fights with sober and internally-consistent geopolitics and philosophy.
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>>17231567
It honestly is. Obscure genre films tend to not get reviewed even if reviews of them are written. So what are those reviews about? Passing moral judgment on the audience it's aimed at. See Warcraft and Scott Pilgrim.
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>>17251876
>So what are those reviews about? Passing moral judgment on the audience it's aimed at. See Warcraft and Scott Pilgrim.
Scott Pilgrim I can kinda see why reviewers would do that, but Warcraft of all things?
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>>17242685
Gunnm was always an over-the-top grimdark world, though, almost to the point of being darkly humorous. It's hard to imagine it as a real place. I get that the author was trying to show the slow but inexorable shift in values wrought by technological change and adverse circumstances, but at its base, his thesis is that the extreme preservation of individual human lives will serve to cheapen life in general, which is at odds with our history (where advances in preserving life made rights seem more and more necessary, almost a sunk cost thing).
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>>17241480
People probably bounce off stuff like the cow really hard

But god the good bits are so fucking good
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>>17247038
>Implying it's not a reproduction with whatever crazy spacial AR audio tech is around
>Or, like, a giant blue hearing aid for a deaf kid
Why are you making fun of the deaf kid?
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>>17251884
Hurf durf gamers.

Not to say that Warcraft was a masterpiece, but it felt like reviewers were expecting LOTRedux, and when they got Fantasy Star Wars, the cognitive dissonance was resolved by bashing their conception of WoW players. Which is a shame, because Warcraft was a really interesting take on establishing a world and the way its people align. Sometimes you have to wonder if Americans are just incapable of understanding a narrative that has two adversarial protagonists and thematic adversaries that are ambiguously villainous. I really want a sequel.
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>>17230876
>Shitty CG made in blender
Not thanks, mister shill.
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>>17251902

We really have no idea how humanity would change if we made everyone live forever. There's a huge difference between, say, HEAVILY cutting down child mortality rates (which is where most of the average lifespan increases have come from) and making everyone live forever. Not to mention that we don't live in a world where disasters that make the Holocaust or the Great Leap Forward look like a walk in the park happen every 100 years.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK1upyDagaI
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>>17252094
It's fucking embarrassing and painful to watch.
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>>17251874


Batmanga film when ?
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>>17252094

I would've pulled a quick KONICHIWA BITCHES !
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>>17252322
Same
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Shills still shilling.

Sad!
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>>17252053
Um, we've had multiple Holocaust-scale genocides in the past 500 years (at least one in Central Africa and one in North and South America), plus the plague, plus a handful of pandemics.

And, yes people still reliably die before they're 100 now and don't in Alita, but cyberization and Methuselization aren't available to everyone, so it's not EVERYONE. I think my point is that the longer people live, the MORE interested they are in protecting their right to life and autonomy, and that altruistic expansion of rights assumed by a person is kind of coded into our biology as a sort of herd immunity. Tribalism and sociopathy stymie that to a degree, but the logic is there and has been carried out for a while now.
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>>17251921
>(you)
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>>17252458
The themes in Alita eventually came to explore all aspects of transhumanism since in Last Order you come to see all sorts of bizarre bodies but the point made is more or less that it's your soul or feelings that make you a person
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>>17230876
At least the toned down the eyes.
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>>17252343
back to /tv/ FAGGET
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>>17255368
They actually made them bigger not smaller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBVNGS16Qk
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Holy fuck what is up with the dialogue
>It's a harsh world. The strong exploit the weak, so you have to hold on to your dreams.
How did this shit make it to the screen?
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The creepy doll eyes put me off.
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>>17255546
those words aren't wrong.
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>>17231410
>posting the orange man
>>>/pol/
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>>17255560
they take a moment to get used to, but you don't notice them after awhile
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>>17246748
Looks more like the Middle Eastern style city on Venus from Cowboy bebop than Cyberpunk
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>>17257664
I'd say Tijuana or Juárez
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>>17231324
It looks like it's going to bomb hard internationally too. Not just domestically.
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>>17260093
Based
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saw it 3 days ago
still mad about what they did to Nova and Zalem
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>>17260431
What did they do exactly?
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>>17260607
Nova is used as a traditional movie bad guy. He's living on Zalem and is Gally/Alita's old target from the war.
The truth about Zalem is non-existant and will need some retcon if they want to put it in any kind of sequel: they show a biological brain belonging to an ex-citizen from Zalem. So it gets kinda hard to do the whole "bio-chip" thing with that.
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>>17260627
shame, why do they always have to change everything in movies?
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>>17258185
That's just Rodriguez being Rodriguez.
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>>17260693
Literally American """education"""
Reading is for faggots and commies
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>>17260627
They could always go the "nanomachines, son" route (like the Unanimous system).



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