Name a more aesthetic vehicle
>>17223002that's just a B2
You may not like it, but this is peak aircraft
>>17223002How big must those aircraft be if the Evas are smaller than them
>>17223005This plane is flying kino. Loved it as a kid. Planefags, is this a good plane?
hey guys can i come too
>>17223057It's debatable. The project was a mess and there are rumours that the range and stealth are much worsd than expected. Also Nuclear bombers are pretty much obsolete since the cold war ended
>>17223191More like since nuclear ICBM warheads were developed
>>17223195You can argue that ICBM silos will be taken out in a nuclear first strike, although there's also nuclear subs so the B2 is still eh
>>17223057>>17223191>>17223195Hard to judge its capabilities, since it's all classified as fuck, but as anon says, heavy bombers haven't been produced since ICBM became standard. So it's likely a good plane for a purpose that is not useful anymore.
>>17223029That massive thing, what is it? And where is it from?? I think I'm in love.>>17223231This. This thing is beautiful. I would also like to know what it is and where it's from.
>>17223057It looks badass, what more do you need?
>>17223450Its the Banshee, from Sento Yosei Yukikaze.
<< Here comes the snow >>
>>17223008future boy conan?
>>17223511Yup, Miyazaki does good planes
>>17223517that he does.he might be a grumpy old hack, but he can draw some damn fine airplanes.
Flying wings are the memes of aviation and I sincerely hope that they don’t become the standard of military aviation.
>>17223538The future is flying wing drones.
>>17223542>>17223538This is the future of first world Air ForcesWhere you can just send a few dozen guys over to handle take-off/landing while having the bulk of your flight crew thousands of miles from the action, with comfortable living and fewer casualties
>>17223551>>17223542Distributed system of systems.
P-38 Lightning is one of the best planes.
>>17223573D R O N E S
>>17223291>heavy bombers haven't been produced since ICBM became standard.Except, yanno, the b2. And the B1. And the Tu-160. And possibly the TU-22M.
>>17223576what are those ? quads? single engine and a porexpan body? how do they attack? i got so many questions... i mean , its great that they know how to swarm a target , but then what?
>>17223573Even the army's going to adopt unmanned vehicles, and you can bet the navy's going to replace their manned aircraft with UAVs for patrols The days of soldiers going face-to-face are numbered
>>17223640Just strap explosives to them.Imagine someone sending out explosive packed drone swarms in a packed mall or urban center.
>>17223043"One wing plane"It's called a flying wing you nigger
>>17223705>flying wingAs opposed to what, a swimming wing?
>>17223724they're called flying wings.
>>17223724As opposed to wing in ground effect (which is where you use a cushion of air to keep you aloft moreso than the lifting action of your wing)
>>17223542>>17223551>killswitch.exe>all your drone crash on commandNot saying we won't use drones but the leash need to be so short you'll never see much improvement over manned vehicle with AI assists.Until then we are only making them to be cheaper against terrorist, hoping there's no war with real opponents.
>>17223843Or until we make AI good enough to make its own decisions and work isolated from a network
>>17223849The refrigeration required for such a thing means it'd be massive
>>17223859technology advances quickly. Not that long ago computers took up entire rooms and did less than a handheld device today. Who can say in 30 years we won't have a fully sentient AI that fits in a basketball-sized computer?
>>17223859or have drone swarms slaved to a mothership
>>17223859There's this amazing thing called air flow.
>>17223882Once you're going fast enough, air friction generates heat right?>>17223893Dark Eldar have the cooles aircraft, tied with the Orks
>>17223898If you're going fast enough sure, but the Blackbird is abnormally fast for a manned aircraft mind you.An aircraft can still lose heat to the atmosphere resulting in a cooling effect, but you're going to have to find someone better versed in aerospace thermodynamics to relate the variables to you if you want the detailed explanation as to the point at which aerodynamic heating starts to become noteworthy.
>>17223954and most drones don't go anywhere near the speed that induces friction heating.that said, electronics do heat up significantly, especially something processor heavy like a self navigating, autonomous vehicle.
>>17223962Computer cooling isn't exactly a brand new field, thankfully. Advances in low-power computing would probably help too.
>>17223002always wondered if those planes were adapted to drop off Evas or if they were built just for that to begin with
>>17223898>>17223893sorry but theres no way in hell you can call ork aircrafts cool ( funny , yes , balls to the walls crazy ( deff sqwadron anyone?) too , but cool? , nah ) and ignore the espiritual succesor to the cheyenne dropship from Aliens.The eldar crimson fighter is cool too , but less versatile than this baby
I like the fat transports in Fafner.
>>17224416From Yukikaze right?
Props or gtfo
>>17223538They're pretty cool. Biggest downside is that civilian airports aren't designed wide enough for them and they'd take up too much gate space and aerobridges would be awkward.Also maneuvering would have to be very slow and planned out well in advance, any rapid turn would wreck any passenger sitting in an outboard seat. Probably not an issue with modern ATC.If future environmentally friendly aircraft end up using hydrogen rather then biofuel then BWBs are probably the only way to store enough lightweight yet bulky compared to jet fuel LH2 for true intercontinental range.
http://aviationweek.com/awin/lockheed-martin-refines-hybrid-wing-body-airlifter-concept>The twin-engine HWB is designed to take off in less than 6,500 ft. and fly 3,200 nm carrying 220,000 lb. of payload, including all the outsize cargo now airlifted by the Lockheed C-5. Lockheed calculates the aircraft will burn 70% less fuel than the Boeing C-17 through a combination of better aerodynamics, newer engines and lighter structures. “We use mature technologies to be affordable and could build it today,” says Rick Hooker, an aeronautical engineer at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics
>>17223005>>17223898>>17224636>>17223551>>17223542my father worked on all projects those as an aerospace composites engineer.his career and the SR71 project are about the same age.He's still working on current day projects, doing the same stuff.My house growing up was littered with scrap parts from those projects (that couldn't be re-worked) that he brought home because he thought they'd be neat as artwork.(no reason to mention, other than that I feel a special affinity to those planes for that reason)The B2 is beautiful in real life. the SR71 is kind of ugly because of the nut-sack style metal skin that smooths out at speed.
>>17224715>nut-sack style metal skindon't ruin it for me
>>17224467based and propilled
>>17223843M8, 6th generation military jets are quite possibly the closest we'll see of Ace Combat tier planes within the next decade or two. The days of manned aircraft are coming to a close and by the time 8th or 9th generation aircraft roll around you might as well consider combat pilots a dead military career.
>>17224045Have you seen how NERV work?If they can make a city sized superfortress with Eva sized elevator embedded everywhere (as well as hidding building underground) they can make a plane which also double as fast transporter for EVA built overland. (never mind the Eva have been attacked on the see and on the ground)I wrote a story-idea about an Eva-like setting were the real hero are the engineering support crews. you wouldn't even see the pilots or hear them on radio outside of feedback sent to the support team about what they have to do. The final would be them winning again the big bad without the mecha
>>17224807You have no understanding of how fragile the network infrastructure is and how unreliable drones are even facing poor muslim opponents. The simple fact that a drone was hijacked and landed whole in Iran should make you shit yourself at the idea of using them without a literal 10m long leash.All current drones project like the RQ-170 are meant to be cheaper expendable support so you can free more pilot for all the jobs drones will never be trusted to do unless you talk of ridiculously self-sufficient AIs that can decide what to do even after the operator lost contact.Operating an army of drone is like trusting an army of kamikaze idiots who might defect to the enemy in a single instant and bomb your own base 5mn after taking off.
>>17223506The TLS on the second one was certainly a surprise
>>17223640They're basically funnels/bits for aircraft
>>17226185Both had it, during the Stonehenge mission you can see the first one firing it. What I don't think both had was the Helios
Beep boop time to die.
>>17226372On its way to BURN OSEA TO THE GROUND>>17226373I'd shoot them with my cannon, IYKWIM
>>17226224Drone pilots have to undergo all the same flight training as a regular pilot, rack up more flying hours a day than regular pilots, have to work under constant scrutiny because every operation is recorded and reviewed upstairs because of the retardedly exaggerated bad PR they get, and then get told they don't qualify for the campaign medal because they did all of their work IN THE REGION from the wrong placeLoad of shit
>>17226385lol shut the fuck up you glorified RC plane operator
>>17226388*does your job, but betterheh, nothing personnel kid
>>17226393>Signal cuts outFuck off you glorified RC plane operator. No one respects you at any level, they all laugh behind your back.
>>17226385>have to work under constant scrutiny because every operation is recorded and reviewed upstairspretty sure actual pilots are under the same scrutiny, considering actual fighter jets cost way more than a drone.
>>17226400someone is salty he's getting replaced by a computer
>>17226400>No one respects you at any level,And yet they keep commissioning more UAVs and recruiting more UAV pilots, don't they?
>>17226385>spending all those hours in an easy chair with the AC blasting and playing with your joystick, no threat of personal harm befalling yousuch hard work... such sacrifice...
>>17226418Jealousy is an ugly thing, Anon
>>17226412need is not the same as respect.
>>17226424>needYes, finally you see that the old lot just aren't up to the job any more>okay, we acknowledge you're a better investment and we're eager to get more of you, b-b-but it's not like I respect you or anything, baka!
Crashing or not, it looked cool doing anything. Rest in peace.
>>17224051Not him, but what you posted is a Stormraven tier flying brick. If you were fishing for (you)s you've wrung one out of me. Christ am I glad I haven't been following 40k.
>>17226438Infinite will bring back the proper Pelican
>>17226689They're keeping the more bulbous, random-tubing hog, I have no expectation.
>>17226927but I want to feel hope;_;
>>17226933Whenever you want to, just remember one simple phrase. We hired people who hated Halo.
>>17227375and then they fired them and hired people who are trilogy fans
>>17226432I need to take a shit, that doesn't mean it's respectable
>>17223057>is this a good plane?It carries a ridiculous amount of ordinance, has one of the most advanced electronic warfare suites ever, and only needs two pilots. It's a flying miracle.>>17223191>>17223195You two clowns have no idea what you are talking about. ICBMs had shit for accuracy until the late 80s so nuclear bombers were still a necessity. SLBMs had even worse accuracy than ICBMs did. >>17223291>heavy bombers haven't been produced since ICBM became standardAnother moron, America is literally working on a new heavy bomber as we speak. The reason you don't see more of them is because the USA is the only one that can afford to produce them. It has nothing to do with doctrine. Also, pic related was made after the Cold War ended is designated a nuclear bomber.
>>17227497small twin engine fighter != Heavy Bomber though.
>>17227580did you try reading the thread
>>17225436>The simple fact that a drone was hijacked and landed whole in Iran should make you shit yourself at the idea of using them without a literal 10m long leash.>someone believed thatThe (state) Iranian video of the 'drone' they 'captured' was pretty obviously a mock-up when looking at the corners of the vehicle but the Iranians claimed the visible flaws were painted and repaired damaged from their soft landing (a claim reversed upon) , inspectors weren't allowed near it, the US didn't seem to care or retaliate after it was supposedly captured, Russia and China didn't seem to have any desire to see it, the scale was wrong, US weapons officials said the damage was inconsistent with Iranian claims, and the Iranian 'prototypes' that were 'based on' the RQ drone are a different scale, different propulsion method, and have never been demonstrated flying (even though they apparently 'fully reverse-engineered' the American drone).The only real thing that came from it was Obama and the security theater that he used to impose more Iranian restrictions.
More drones! This time from the britbongs.https://twitter.com/ChiefofAirStaff/status/1094938701354975232
>>17223015Evas can fit on the deck of an aircraft carrier
>>17224051Not a man of kulture I see
>>17229382Scale is a bit off in that episode, Evas shapeshift a lot in the original series.
>>17223015EVAs are between 40-200 meters depending on the scene.Rule of cool takes priority over consistency
>>17229522So they have the same power as Jet Jaguar.
>>17229522I believe the Rebuilds established them as 80, the original show was very incosistent
>>17229657Fuck the rebuilds.
>>17227497>Also, pic related was made after the Cold War ended is designated a nuclear bomber.That's a multirole fighter,. Yes it can carry nuclear ordonnance but that's for small missiles. It's meant to go around treaty on medium range nuclear missile and to look like a simple surface missile, just like the US B1 & B2 bomber were capable of dropping the missiles stealthily for a first strike.For MAD they have Ballistic missile submarine.Now the US and Russia look ready to abandon all nuclear treaties again.>>17228357>believing stupid conspiracy theoryWhat's next, Pizzagate? Obama birth?When the US President is forced to recognize a critical failure known by his allies and ask the drone back as if it was a cheap toy you loose credibility.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/12/obama-iran-downed-us-spy-droneAnd there's more, terrorist getting video feed and getting their GPS position anytimehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/17/skygrabber-american-drones-hackedAll you've done is prove that a country/sandcultist who couldn't retro-engineer a plane to save their life can still hack them.We are talking of the same peoples who use geolocalized fitness apps inside secret bases.https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a22094111/fitness-app-reveals-top-secret-military-movements/And don't forget the geotagged selfiehttps://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/helicopters-destroyed-geotag.html
>>17229733What are nuclear treaties even for? MAD is already mutually assured destruction with the cold war era shit, it's not like they'll be double dead if they make newer nukes. If anything, they might be cleaber thus posing less risk to civilians/the environment
>>17229808>What are nuclear treaties even for?Keeping your own budget balanced if your citizen don't think you are osing the race to glass the planet faster.And looking legit when you discourage shithole with leader more volatile than Tump from making their own. Even if a bomb is no threat without a launcher.
>>17224051Well, I find it interesting they can take damage that would send the aerospace machines of other factions crumbling from the skies in flame. I find it even more interesting given the stuff is mechanically sound even without whatever psychic shenanigans the lore alleges allows Ork technology to function.
>>17229876>the stuff is mechanically sound even without whatever psychic shenanigans the lore alleges allows Ork technology to function.That varies from author to author. Sometimes it's "meks are born knowing how to assemble a nuclear reactor from scrap" and other times it's "we took apart an ork gun and it was just a metal casing filled with nuts than somehow fired bullets when wielded by an ork".The reason they can often take many hits is that since everything is loose a shot might just punch right through without hitting anything vital, or damage some decorative panels the mek thought would look cool. Their vehicles have always been the least survivable in the game though, even taking that into account
>>17229876Ork tech functions on its own, its just functions BETTER under use of orks.You as a human can fire an ork shooter or ride an ork trukk, its just not gonna work as well.Only hack writers going off of memes try to portray ork equipment as inert chunks of metal that only works at all because of their psychic field.
>>17227497>until the late 80sIt's 2019.>pic relatedA Rafale. A multirole fighter, not a heavy bomber by any stretch of the imagination. There are several nuclear capable aircrafts, that doesn't make them heavy bombers. But yes, the US is developing a heavy bomber as well.
>>17229808We know the three largest super powers are run by people who can't even spell MAD, let alone comprehend it, so we encourage them to get rid of all their nukes and eliminate the risk completely. It also helps stop smaller nations who have nothing to lose from becoming a nuclear power so they can't make retarded demands backed up by the threat of nuclear annihilation.
>>17230092>Three largest supwrpowersUsa,China, India? 2/3 of those probably understand it very well.>It also helps stop smaller nations who have nothing to lose from becoming a nuclear power so they can't make retarded demands backed up by the threat of nuclear annihilationYou're completely right about that, but it still feels like international bullying. Like a "rich get richer and poor get poorer" on a geopolitical scale
>>17226385lol, defending videogames has gotten to a new low.
>>17230092>weWe who?>>17230114>it still feels like international bullyingBecause that's what it is. The big ones are forced to have an agreement between themselves and in the meantime they make sure that they remain the only ones.
>>17223642Drones cannot and will not entirely replace the human element of warfare. As long as there is infrastructure and ground to be taken, held, or denied there will be human infantry, and that human infantry will be trained, equipped, and expected at least in part to combat other human infantry.This isn't even considering asymmetrical and counter-insurgency warfare.
>>17223191>The project was a messHow so?
>>17223564Adolf Galland likened it to the Bf 110 (a.k.a. "meat on the table").
>>17223731>wing in ground effectOh, ground looping!
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/genetic-fuzzy-based-artificial-intelligence-for-unmanned-combat-aerialvehicle-control-in-simulated-air-combat-missions-2167-0374-1000144.pdf>The US’s “near-peer” adversaries are developing capabilities which could challenge US air superiority. >Anti-access environments with modern, overlapping ground and air threats present an existential threat to modern day pilots and fighter aircraft. >Future aircraft are likely to employ a high level of coordinated autonomous offensive and defensive capabilities, requiring reaction times which surpass that of a human pilot, in order to survive in such hostile environments. >These future fighters may be optionally manned or employ autonomous UCAV wingmen, capable of performing air combat. >These fighters would employ with a battle management system on-board which would possess an intelligent agent which would select tactics, manage weapon employment, determine own-ship reactions, and supervise the reactions of its wingmen.
>>17224715>nut-sack style metal skin that smooths out at speedThat's some pretty cool stuff.>>17232214Judah System intensifies.
>>17223542Should resurrect the flying aircraft carrier to deploy them.
>>17232214>Rather than utilize a standard genetic algorithm as a learning system, Psibernetix’s patent-pending EVE learning system has trained ALPHA . EVE has been shown to have unparalleled learning capabilities in extremely complex problems where obtaining the absolute optimal solution is not necessary or practical . For example, an air-to-air missile does not need to perfectly penetrate the cockpit and physically strike the pilot of an aircraft, and finding a course of action (CoA) that utilizes 0.05 milligrams less fuel to complete an objective is not mission critical. A learning system that could guarantee obtaining these solutions would be computational intractable and would never provide an answer. EVE is a GFT whose objective is the creation and optimization of other GFTs. Through multiple recursive application, EVE has been trained to train other GFTs very effectively.
>>17230852I agree, the Blackstar is real shit 'ume git
>>17229808Because you don't actually need more than 10% of all the nukes we built for MAD, so the treaties allow everyone to save on money.And the reason to discourage any other shithole to get them is because it take a lot of intelligent people to keep one MADman from pushing the big red button. It also prevent terrorists from getting dirty nuke if ones of those countries collapses.
I adore Strangereal future planes and stuff but I've always had a soft spot for the old p-51.
>>17235363I agree, its the sexiest fighter of WW2 for me.
>>17235363>>17236272I love WW2 aesthetics but I find it really hard to tell them apart. A Spitfire, a BF 109 and a Zero look the same to me. With modern jets you get drastically different body types, compare an F-15 to an F-16 to an F-18
>>17236387Here's how it is in my entirely non-biased opinion>BF-109: boxy and ugly>Zero: sleek but antiquated>Spitfire: c u r v e s >P fiddy one: muscular
>>17236387>With modern jets you get drastically different body typesToo bad 5th gen arrived.
>>17235363Out of pity?>>17236272>its the most overrated fighter of WW2FTFY
>>17236463The most overrated would be the BF-109 desu
>>17236507>>17236492>>17236473>>17236468>>17236463WW2 in general is THE MOST overrated war in history. Literally babbies first history interest.60 years of boomers wanking over the same stale ass theatres and weapons.Awful.
>>17236451It's not that bad. The main offenders are the F-22 and F-35, and the chink knockoff. The other 5th gens,the J-20 and SU-57, look completely different. There's also the YF-23, if you count it
>>17236514Is there a "cooler" war in your oppinion? WW1 was just kids bleeding out in trenches for weeks, and everything prior should be on a different category since modern warfare is too different from past warfare.
>>17236576from the top down, the su-57 looks very similiar to the raptor though
>>17236579>WW1 was just kids bleeding out in trenches for weeks,So? WW1 was the direct antecedent to all modern conflicts, featuring the first widespread usage of tanks, airplanes, automatic weapons, chemical and biological warfare on an industrial scale. It was also more than just trench warfare, just look at the German campaign in Africa.
>>17236576I wouldn't say the Su-57's design looks completely different from the rest. Especially if we consider the difference between the F-15 and Su-27. Even the J-20 it's just for the canards that stands out.>There's also the YF-23, if you count itI wish I could.
>>17232342Yeah SR-71’s would allegedly leak fuel onto the ramp before takeoff because of the gaps in the paneling. Everything fit together nice and snug at Mach 3. Not so much at 0 knots.
>>17236579All human wars are just child's play before the War in Heaven.
>>17236887God isn't real, your religion is a lie
>>17237049I'd tip my fedora but apparently that's a bannable offense these days.
>>17237049Thanks to all the war effort of soldiers of mighty Lucifer! Just know who you should be grateful to, you fucking monkey.
>>17236887The one with the Necrons and the Eldar?
>>17237245Guessing that's what he's on about.Old ones and their servant races getting curb stomped by the C'tan and Necrons
>>17236607The J-20 looks very different, even if you took out the canards. It's like comparing an F-16 to an Eurotriangle
>>17223016>The entire ending scene of the Yukikaze anime
>Being a dronefag or a pilotfag>Not being a pilotdronefag who dabs on both while spamming AMRAMMS from the 10 F-15Cs slaved to his F-35
>>17237275not to mention how funny is the galaxy now with that gaping tear in the fabric of reality thanks to the immaterium pollution due to eldar fuckery over the eons up to the birth of slaneesh
>>17237684>F-15C>CThe future is now old man, F-15X is the real thing. 22 A2A missiles, real life Ace Combat right here
>>17237723how come there were no eagles with those extra pylons in the mid section of the wing? what happened to the silent eagle with its canted stabs and missile bays?
>>17237732Apparently those pylons are new, and they'll also have revised internal wing structure, better cockpit and HUD, and Legion targeting pods
>>17237736and what are those bumps on the sid of the cockpit?
>>17237769>The F-15X configuration is impressive as it includes a flat-panel glass cockpit, JHMCS II helmet mounted display (HMD), revised internal wing structure , fly-by-wire controls, APG-82 AESA radar , activation of outer wing stations one and nine, advanced mission computer, low-profile heads-up display, updated radio and satellite communications, the highly advanced Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS) electronic warfare and electronic surveillance suite, Legion Pod -mounted infrared search and track system (IRST) and the list goes on. I'm guessing one of these
>>17237769When in doubt, all lumps can be assumed to be IRST of some form.
godamnit , throw in an AI assist and some fancy recon pod with a sail of some sort and we have ourselves some IRL Yukikaze...
>>17237723>no lasersits trash
>>17237723Also available in classy black chrome.>>17237779Most likely.
>>17236607The T-50 is like the SMASHED and SLAMMED offspring of an F-22 and SU-30.
>>17223859Nah, with things like genetic fuzzy AI efficiency (and thus reduction in thermal load) have shot way up, complex AI capable of simulating combat in real time using multiple drones can now run on a generic mid range PC. I'd imagine it won't take long before an AI selectively intelligent enough to take off, fight, and return will fit in a package the size of a briefcase. There are also some exotic methods of keeping hot-running systems cooled, liquid cooling is pretty ubiquitous and while niche non-conductive oil immersion cooling also works great, for extreme cooling cryogenic cooling systems these days can be made pretty small, essentially a very small chiller, propane tank sized cylinder of cryogenic coolant, and the necessary hoses, regulators, and control computer. Any one of these cooling methods applied to a small desktop sized flight AI still would probably weigh less and take up less internal volume than a human pilot plus their life support system, control interfaces, ejector seat, and the canopy large enough to give them good visibility. A well trained AI can think and plan at least as fast if not faster than a human, and can be tuned to accomplish feats of precision that a human pilot couldn't be capable of, while also not being restricted by G forces in the same way a human is, you can build your drone's body to perform to the absolute maximum that is mechanically possible for an aircraft and the AI will never get light headed or partially lose consciousness when operating it, it will always be able to devote itself entirely to the fight and multitask or network in ways that humans aren't naturally good at.
>>17223642>The days of soldiers going face-to-face are numberedNot if ground unmanned vehicles can be defeated by stairs.
>>17238878>YF-23+B2 My dicc
>>17238817the way the su-57's nozzles are angled slightly away from the center bugs me far more than it should
>>17239083chinks are making something like that, apparently.
Korea's fifth gen indigenous fighter design. Its weird that they didn't incorporate internal weapon bays or integrated sensors though. Looks pretty small too.
>>17239896Looks like a retarded raptor, are they taking ideas from china?
>>17239759Knowing China it's probably some forgotten Soviet prototype.
>>17237681>Meme I made ages ago and posted in /aceg/ somehow made it all the way to /m/ Holy shit, buddy, that's kinda surreal. My legacy lives on, somehow.
>>17241705Reminds me of the time my GF agreed to anal for the first time. I was going to nut instantly, so I started to think of Warhammer 40k lore to distract myself. Now I've Pavlov'd myself into thinking of 40k whenever I'm having anal and thinking of anal whenever I'm reading about 40k
>>17223002Not quite as retarded as Jaegers being hauled into position by regular helicopters, but it ranks up there.
>>17243164It would have been so much cooler if they used that reason to have the Mech simply standing everywhere.>walk in the street, see magnificent Jeager waiting on standby just protected from the rain and such.>see ugly wall being built to "replace it">alarm goes off, a Kaiju is heading toward a city>the pilots get in their Jeager, weave to the crowd as they depart.>Jeager jump into the water and as submarine they move toward their destinations>sure it's slow, but the Kaiju aren't teleporting to their destination either.>instead of making silly CGI helicopter you'd make "detachable extra propeller"As story goes you'd still be able to accomplish everything in the movie. Reinforcement would arrive late because they didn't started from the same position instead of having to invoke excuse and since the Kaiju are always attacking from the sea, it make sense to make the Jeager into submarine.It's painful being me and knowing how much they wasted
>>17223518>, but he can draw some damn fine airplanes.QFT
>>17223731Or, with a very interesting sounding word, an ekranoplan!
>>17243546I'm more talking generally how most of their shit is Soviet hand-me-downs or bootlegs. Example: J-20 is just a MiG 1.44.
>>17243601Huh, I never noticed. Still, only the outside must be the same. The 1.44 didn't even get to the prototype stage and would be obsolote today
>>17243612>The 1.44 didn't even get to the prototype stage It did though, just got delayed a shit ton by the USSR dying. Made its maiden flight in February 2000, nine years behind schedule, and got canceled later that year
>>17243612Well, up until only a few years ago they were still relying of Russian built jet engines, so who knows?
>>17243652RIP in pepperoni
>>17243656>Three enginesWhat is that plane on the left? Are there any fighters with more than two engines?
>>17243656I wish we got the big MiG instead of the succois we have now.
>>17243652Why would you want that gap on the bottom?
>>17243681If it's anything like the F-16, then it's to prevent freezing
>>17243692Can't say I follow but thanks.
>>17243700Ice can form in the intake, which can then break into chunks and get sucked into the engine, which makes the engine go kaboom. The strut is heated to prevent ice from forming on the intake, and presumably that middle strut has the same function
>>17243732Well that's clever but maybe they should design an engine that doesn't blow up from a dust speckle.
>>17243692>>17243681Its a splitter plate. Helps with boundary layer control.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitter_plate_(aeronautics)
>>17243692I'm pretty sure ice isn't the reason for this and it wouldn't help for it.More like >>17243822
>>17243822>>17243829Oh, you meant the gap between the engine and the body. I thought you meant the strut that splits the big intake into two small intakes>>17243813At those speeds, everything hits hard as fuck. Have you ever seen what happens when a bird gets sucked into an engine? Besides, a chunk of ice is pretty much a large rock
>>17243894wow , even de fatty tissue is smushed to a featureless pulp onto the walls , nice
>>17244023>that noseartimagine the uproar that would cause now.you can send your sons to die in some ditch in derkaderkastan, but god forbid they draw a cute girl on their helicopter, might offend someone.
>>17244029I´m fond of the thunderchief , but its a bit dificult to find good pictures of its cockpit and controls or for the starfighter.Something about the whole century series beign where all this crazy ideas where merging together to shape the proper jet era airplane is fascinating , for example , early starfighters were meant to have downward ejectinig seats
>>17243822>>17243829>>17243732you are both correct guys, flight is complicated enoug so theres no need to argue .AFAIK , the separation panel is to help separate from the boundary layer flow around the airframe from air channeled to the engine , said intake lip needs heating to prevent icing , the stick on that f-16 is there to help prevent suction , because that is a " big mouth" f-16 with a bigger intake
>>17243894Ice actually as higher chance to form the more edge you create, the reason those gap exist are for aerodynamic purpose.Also ice don't cause that much damage to engine, it's NOT good but it's just costly repair.The airliner engine type you posted (when they aren't sucking man) are made so heated air can be injected around flexible part of the jet engine to break the ice, and there's also heater to do de-icing. Same systems is actually on every wings because the ice change the aerodynamic propertyThat goes for >>17244078 too, the air gathered here, since it's not compressed, is also used to cool the engines airflow and can even be injected in the nozzle for extra thrust.
>>17244064>downward ejectinig seats*SPLAT*
>>17244139The idea was that since the F-104 was supposed to intercept Soviet strategic bombers at high altitude, there would be plenty of space for parachute deployment.
>>17244134>fat plane by burgers Who would have thunk.
>>17244183fuel, avionics, and weapons has to go somewhere.
>>17243670nah senpai it's just a civilian style trijet of some kindI don't recognize it though.Anyway, I also never heard of a three-jet fighter plane, but from what I know 2 engines is already a bit more then enough for most applications so three or more never got started.I've got no idea though.
>>17244756soft human fleshbags don't react well to fast moving turbine blades
>>17244064Nothing proper about the century series; all of them designed around a retarded doctrine and as a result then had to be shoehorned into roles they were never designed for and thus were largely unable to perform to any sort of satisfactory degree.
>>17244151Too bad the Lawn Dart's flight envelope was so abysmal there was no guarantee you'd be at altitude when it decided to go full retard on you.
>>17244769Master of the obvious. STORY, SMARTASS!
>>17244791Dead krauts? Mission fucking accomplished, I'd say.
>>17236514Mäh. Last time the whole world was in war. But I got you. Shit got old.
>>17243670passenger transport the 3 engine thing is from the days when air traffic regulations had more strict ETOPs rules , they are a dying race because now twin engines are reliable enough and have enough power to do everything with just 2 ( thats why even the a-340 are beign phased out )
>>17244925Okay, but what if you strapped three SR-71 engines to a fighter?
>>17244935it would go really fast
>>17244783thats half the fun of it dude! thats why its so fascinating , also the new stuff ,like the thunderchief early attempt at managing multiple readings to the pilot in just one readout panel Just look at all those indicator columns crammed in with the navigation compass
>>17244935you´ll have an oxcart dragging dead weight .The sr-71 engines were specifically tuned to work on that place to ride the shockwave from the plan itself into the compression cones in the intakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th-RoJBP0Vs
Fast flying brix
early concept drawing of large transport plane from Yukikaze.
>>17246040It's so smug.
>>17244935You'd run out of fuel after take off and the fighter would disintegrate in flightThe future isn't jet turbine, it's ramjet. You just need an headstart
>>17246040Yeah, we got those.
>>17241816jfc my goddamn sidesbalancing /m/life with a gf is hard as fuck
>>17223518Is there a Savoia kit that scales well next to Bandai's Swordfish II...?
>>17239896>no integrated sensorswut the fug
>>17239896>>17246727It does have integrated sensor, what the hell do you mean?Only interpretation I can see is that it have LESS integrated sensor than the F-35 going for 360° awareness
>>17246075Ikuto Yamashita should get more work as an airplane designer for anime, I loved his designs in Yukikaze
>>17247372Didn't Kawamori do the Yukikaze designs?
>>17247402It's not the same meme slavshit designs so it wouldn't be Kawamori.
>>17224045I've always wondered where the launch section for them in tokyo 3 was?Was it a giant underground runway? Magnetic Accelerator? ETC
>>17247524They didn't launch from Tokyo 3. They transported the Harpies from the other SEELE facilities to Tokyo 3
>>17247655Excuse me, I think your plane's neck is broken. You should get that checked out
>>17247694She just has a looong neck
>>17248236So it's meant to resemble the pilot's neck after pulling 20g?
>>17248960Huh, is this feasible?
>>17250332very very hard, lots of maintenance, but yes
>>17223705Wasn't nazi germany the first that came up with a working concept?If yes it should be called "Nurflügler" (Only-wing) like they did
>>17250352>Wasn't nazi germany the first that came up with a working concept?Jack Northrop was making working flying wing aircraft before WW2
>>17250352None of them were as loud as Jack "I WANT TO MARRY A FLYING WING" Northrop when it came to furiously masturbating to flying wings as a design philosophy.
>>17250343Then why are modern drones just flying wings without yaw control instead of control surface clusterfucks with UFO-tier mobility?
>>17250361Be honest, if given the chance, wouldn't you do it? It sounds like he was a true /m/an
>>17250363Because low observability is more important than supermaneuverability.
>>17250372I believe it
>>17250372Yes, which is why despite all the propaganda pieces being pumped out of Chinese backed media outlets, the Chinese themselves are heavily investing in the J-20 and H-20, both of which prioritize low observability aspects over super maneuverability.
>>17250378Does the J-20 have any confirmed specs? China claims it's a quantum spaceship, while America claims it's a reskinned Mig 1.44 with crappy engines
>>17250392The only ones who know the true specs of these aircraft are the designers, pilots and spies.I only know as much as what's available on the net, which isn't substantial.
>>17250372For a drone arguably yes. Otherwise how knows? This is true >>17250378, at the same time the F-22, Su-57 and J-20 are designed with supermanouverability in mind, so they think it's still somehow useful.>>17250392>modern plane>confirmed specsPick one.Everything from 1990s retired planes onward is pretty much classified. And even then precise specs of systems like ECM and missiles are not completely available either. Russian and European stuff is even more locked down and the Chinese only release data on some export models.
>>17250500I wonder what it would take to change design focus back to agility over stealth. Would some kind of large scale sensor jamming like minovsky particles render stealth less necessary? Maybe computers advanced enough to be able to dodge missiles, but too large to be contained in the missiles themselves? Advances in material sciences making guided weapons harmless? Interesting thought exercise
Ace Combat 7 really gave this board planebrane...not that I'm com-plane-ing!
>>17250636It's either this or /k/, and you don't get the same quality of discussion in /k/
>>17250372>>17250378It's not to be stealthy to normal, it's to make it harder lock your fighter with a low quality missiles.Stealth is pretty much a dead-end concept because situational awareness and cooperation require you to have datalink which reveal your location.>>17250500He said the opposite, J20 and co aren't made for supermaneuverability but VLO first.>>17250500I work in the field and I can tell you fans know way too much about their favorites planes than they should for the well being of their countries.>>17250631The problem is that what you want to make "agile" is also the part with the biggest limitation: the pilot. It simply can't survive dodging missiles.Minovsky particles is basically ambient magic. Any real form of jamming is like shouting your own position to the enemy, sure you prevent actual communication, but not a simple order for a missile to home on the source of jamming / previous source of the jamming.Any system trying to trick the missile is going to be defeated by self-correcting algorithm that don't take any processing power.For the exercise, the difficulty is to remove anything smart from existing outside your pilot, even if it's self-contained and non-hackable or kamikaze.An possibility is to be able to reliably destroy the missiles itself but have the anti-missile not compete with a forward facing anti-fighter canon.Grasping at solution: find a way to make everything in the surrounding look like potential target to anything but a sentient human. It would mean all fighters design being potentially ally AND enemy (same manufacturer) with both IFF off and being forbidden to shoot anything you didn't idntify first. This can only be done through the universe setting.
>>17244935It would be too heavy to have significant payload, and while it might reach SR-71 speeds for a short time the fighter would overheat rapidly and be forced to either slow down or burst into flames. The SR-71 is almost entirely made of titanium, modern fighters do have titanium skeletons but the rest of their frames and skins are often combinations of carbon composites, plastics, and aerospace aluminum alloys which are much lighter and less expensive, your hypersonic fighter would be prohibitively expensive for it's size and internal volume. The SR-71 also had a unique heat sinking and hydraulic system which used it's own fuel as working fluid, a fair bet that it's heavier and more specialized than those used in most air superiority fighters. Also the P&W J-58 is specialized for hypersonic flight with it's fuel-as-coolant heat sinking system, variable geometry shock cone intakes, and air ramjet bypass tubes, which modern fighter engines like the P&W F135-100 don't have, although the F-135-100 is significantly more powerful in terms of raw power output compared to the J-58, it can't accomplish the same role because it's not built to operate correctly at hypersonic speeds.
>>17250392Well it sure does belch clouds of smoke like a re-skinned miggy.
>>17250754>Grasping at solution: find a way to make everything in the surrounding look like potential target to anything but a sentient human.this is what I meant. Instead of trying to hide the fact that there is a target, make everything look like a target. If they're tracking you on radar, "spam" the radar with bogus data to make it look like a mountain is flying. If they're tracking heat, make the entire sky appear as hot as jet exhaust.
>>17250804Chaff and flares.You're kinda looking to reinvent the wheel that is countermeasures, yknow? About the only thing you're not covering is plain old signal jamming but that's less creating bogus targets and more flooding the airspace with so much garbage radiowaves that you can't separate the returning signal that would form the basis of a radar lock with the emitted background noise.
>>17250631Prohibitive expense is already making stealth difficult, heck planes like the F-22 and F-35 are built to be stealthy only from certain angles because stealth materials cost so much and they're still some of the most expensive mass production fighters. Computers can already dodge missiles, genetic fuzzy AI that can run on a standard PC already has reaction times sufficient to pull off last second dodges against missiles in already existing airframes, however a human pilot would be brutalized by such a maneuver making it impossible for a manned aircraft to do. Jamming as has already been pointed out often causes you more trouble than it solves, however decoy jammer payloads are being developed and an aircraft optimized to deploy several of them in a swarm may indeed make precise detection of the real threat significantly more difficult, and force the enemy to expend weapons targeting every jammer. 2-400kW pulsed fiber lasers may force a move towards greater speed and agility in (unmanned) aircraft, as then combat is boiled down into:>1Who can carry the smallest and most powerful laser with the longest range.>2Who sees who first, and thus who gets the first shot.>3Who can dodge the most effectively once two laser equipped aircraft are within each-other's instantly lethal range. >4Who is the fastest and most maneuverable, or, who can close to killing distance first and who's fast enough to stay out of killing distance.As of now lasers are still a relatively immature technology, the navy's uses sub-optimal continuous beam lasers generated chemically but that won't last forever as more powerful and effective laser generating systems do exist.
>>17250794I'm pretty sure they were using Russian engines up until a few years ago.
>>17250827I know this would be impossible or very impractical in real life, it's just fun to come up with. You mention flares and chaff, but those are unreliable and modern missiles can tell they are fake. Speaking of which, what stops a radar from picking up enemy outgoing radar waves as it's own returning signal? are they tuned to different frequencies/wavelenghts? Would it be possible to make a broad-spectrum "spam signal emitter" than? Or is that how modern jammers work already? Do jammers see any use in modern warfare? Why don't combat aircrat carry them?
>>17250881dunno about other planes, but the F-35 supposedly has a very high end EW suite that rivals the jamming power of dedicated 4th gen EW aircraft like the Growler
>>17250881>Speaking of which, what stops a radar from picking up enemy outgoing radar waves as it's own returning signal? Nothing really. Radio is radio.>are they tuned to different frequencies/wavelenghts? Technical question that I'll defer to a technical minded person if one arises, because this is sorta yes and no depending on context. >Would it be possible to make a broad-spectrum "spam signal emitter" than?ECM exists, yes. > Or is that how modern jammers work already?Essentially if you shit up the signal:noise ratio enough, then yeah you're left with garbage other than "hey that one asshole is blasting radiowaves and makes for a nice shiny target for anything that seeks out radiowaves, like, say, an anti-radiation missile."> Do jammers see any use in modern warfare?When you absolutely have to shit up radar detection to provide cover for some operation like I dunno a strike on an anti air artillery site, hell yes. Electronic Warfare is very much a thing sometimes. >Why don't combat aircrat carry them?Weighs down the combat craft detrimentally, electronic warfare packages aren't a free addition to just any aircraft. Instead usually specialized electronic warfare variants carry the jammer pods and provide such support for the combatant aircraft themselves, though with AESA radar being more and more commonplace you can do some really clever jamming shenanigans roughly analogous to shining a laser pointer in someone's eye, but with radar receivers being blinded instead.
>>17250927>makes for a nice shiny target for anything that seeks out radiowaves, like, say, an anti-radiation missile."AA missiles detonate when they are "close enough" to the target, not when they actually make physical contact right? What if you madde your big shiny "decoy bubble" so large that the missiles exploded harmlessly like 1km away from the plane or something, since that's already the target in their eyes
>>17250979Depends on how proximity is defined by the fuze design. I don't think an air to air anti radiation missile's fuze would be purely "well the signal is intense enough for me, time to blow up." If anything I'd use that instead as the cutoff to spin up a heat seeker for final course correction.Mind you, ARMs are primarily used against ground radar. They're under explored when it comes to something like air to air.
>>17251020I guess then it'd become an arms race between the defensive and offensive layers of countermeasures and tracking. Which is what's happening, so we're back to square one for creating our fantasy situation. From what I hear, radar tech is evolving faster than stealth tech. Maybe in the future we'll go back to "make it as agile as possible", and rhe advances in AI mean that squishy pilots won't be a problem anymore. Maybe Yukikaze was an accurate prediction of future air combat, aliens aside. This leads us to the question of wether AI can be hacked though
>>17251056Yukikaze's "predictions" aren't really useful IRL, as they're born of the series' case study on what defines [human]. Much of the trajectory of the FAF's arsenal's development is the product of an unfathomable enemy never bothering to muster anything more than a barely defeatable force against mankind, a lab experiment writ large; what isn't affected by the JAM's grand design is one of the most bizarre takes on spook plane deployment I can think of, where a combat jet is sent out to play voyeur to every major engagement, and despite being so heavily armed as to potentially change the tide of the battle that plane is to never interact with the unfolding battle except in self defense.I mean sure you can read into the narrative as an exploration of the shortcomings of autonomous warfare against a subversive enemy, but it kinda misses the forests for the trees, just saying.
>>17251056Well to hack something you have to actually be able to connect to it, that means that:>1The weapon or platform must be the kind which has receivers capable of talking to other weapons or platforms.>2You can actually trick it into thinking you are an ally who is worth listening to.>3The orders you send to it are actually ones it can act on. For example, a drone's AI might be hard-coded to absolutely ignore under any circumstances an order to fire on allied IFFs, and that it should ignore any source of orders to do so, making it impossible for you to convince one to turn on friendlies even if you can get it to trust you are an acceptable authority. That's another thing, you have to steal or simulate credentials that are real enough to trick the drone into accepting your authority. If I were making an AI, I'd give it a list of necessary variables it could always check up on for incoming commands. A viable command must come from someone with a viable code, of a certain rank, from a certain branch, with the necessary correct mission format (a proprietary spreadsheet or document which isn't shared outside the drone program from which drones would draw their mission details from), and the mission must not violate an extensive ROE list. I think with those bases covered it would be essentially impossible to "hack" a drone. It would get a packet of sealed orders, it would "think" on them, checking them against it's ROE database, then once cleared develop the most efficient strategy to carry out it's mission (possibly with a tactician AI buddy) and then carry out the mission and return home without any further intervention from it's friendlies.
>>17251098I'd ride the hell out of that.
>>17251119But then you run into issues of how far deep into the code you can get. You know how people figured out how to program ones and zeroes into super mario's code by doing specific movements? I wonder if you could do the same on a deeper level, changing even those core restrictions you imposed. The other issue is that a drone that independant requires very advanced AI, almost sentient, so you start running into issues of "hope the AI doesn't realize humans are the problem"
>>17251206I and others discussed it earlier in the thread, but AI advanced enough to fly, fight, and get back home is already pretty much upon us. New genetic fuzzy reasoning AI programs are both extremely efficient and highly competent, able to fight effectively against tactics developed by humans while suffering from restrictions like the AI using models of older aircraft and being sortied with inferior weapons, or fewer weapons, or not being allowed to attack from BVR. Yet while these programs can match and likely will soon entirely exceed human pilots in terms of capability to perform a complex mission, they innately lack the capability to become sapient like a human being. I'd actually argue that they are skimming quite close to consciousness, but not even animal-like consciousness, they're more like beautiful big brain flatworms, giant bundles of complex "nerves" which just twitch and writhe in reaction to stimulus information, except that the drone's AI will be trained to twitch so that it dodges missiles, or writes up new battle strategy, or strafes a ground target.
>>17229522>depending on the scene.>Rule of cool takes priority over consistency>Cast is a bunch of crying bitches>mfw Eva was the mecha Steven Universe all alongWow. Now I have even more of a reason to hate it.
>>17251242>>depending on the scene.>>Rule of cool takes priority over consistencythis is pretty common in a lot of non-CG mecha shows, though
>>17251206Arbitrary code execution is a program execution attack, it doesn't manipulate the program but instead causes the stack to go off and read code that's been set up by the attacker to do whatever it is they want. Of course, what that -means- kinda requires some computer science knowledge, but suffice to say no AI is going to be vulnerable to arbitrary code execution like that. First off, if your AI has over/under flow issues then you might have royally fucked up your code and shouldn't be submitting it for use in highly secure environments where the penetration tester types are inevitably going to tear you a new asshole.Also you might be grossly overmysticizing AI, just saying. The scope of the problem might require designing open ended learning systems that may not do the thing we intend even if it works exactly as designed, but a Skynet scenario is largely overblown, requiring the kind of total integration and disregard for security that invites the kind of doomsday hubris that such a scenario ends with.
>>17251277I'm not saying your fighter plane is gonna hack into nuclear silos, but what if it decides that the friendly convoy has more chances of making it under the smoke of a burning orphanage? Or if it starts using friendlies as decoys to evade attacks?Of course this are very big "what ifs", but this is a board about giant robots after all
>>17251314You give your AI rules of engagement just like everyone else, give it a set of things it can never do, a set of things it should only do if it consults with a commanding human. Have the aircraft house two distinct AIs, one which is 90% optimized for fighting and one which is 90% optimized for target designating, effectively forming the same kind of team as a 2-seater strike aircraft. Consider as well that powerful AI's can run on platforms like normal PCs fast enough that they can effectively fight against each-other and humans at least in simulations. A 2 "person" drone team should still weigh and consume much less internal volume than even one human pilot.
>>17251314In real life, that would require bad design. Or bad learning models. Either way, you did bad and taught your plane to act like a war criminal.
>>17251332wouldn't this contant rule-checking and conversation between two AIs cause a lag time not present on a plane that had a "war criminal" AI?
>>17251373Shouldn't be. You use the output of one as the input of another in order to narrow down the subset of recognizable objects that are both valid combat targets and not in violation of the ROE to engage.
>>17251373It would but that wouldn't be significant against any enemy with human level reflexes, computers "talk" to each-other at speeds that humans can barely comprehend, and transmit volumes of data in seconds that it would take humans days to convey by speech. To the outside observer a team of well synchronized "buddy" AI's would still reach decisions essentially instantaneously, especially since although AI's can run on civilian PC's we know that military AI's will be running on hardware optimized to allow them to perform at their best. It's already hard enough to fight a modern two-pilot fighter or a single seater fighter with advanced battlefield awareness. Imagine how much harder it would be to fight a team of awarenesses who can develop complex and highly precise battle plans in just a second or two, who's basic reactions are several times faster than humanly possible, who are commanding an aircraft which is only limited by it's maximum performance characteristics, carrying more fuel and a larger weapon load or larger and more powerful sensor package.
>>17251392I'm talking AI vs AI combat, zero human factor involved
>>17251409A pair of buddy AI's might have slightly slower reflexes (might), but will also be able to develop more complex strategies faster, and will have more dedicated processing power for multitasking because each will able to focus most all of their processing power on one of the two major tasks in any air combat scenario, flying and watching. A pair of cooperating AI's may be able to press a single AI so hard that it can't sufficiently pay attention to the rest of it's environment, leaving it vulnerable to friendlies or vulnerable to the more complex tactics of the buddy AI's, who can devote a lot more processing power to planning and paying attention while still fighting.
>>17251434Now I want a show about super AI vs AI battles
>>17251436It would be super interesting, I really actually have to wonder though if AI flying anything modern could actually kill one another, at least in simulated combat they've already demonstrated an ability to actually dodge incoming missiles fired from BVR. It wouldn't surprise me if equally competent AI combatants were forced to a draw because both of them ran out of weapons.
>>17251442It would turn into a game of I know you know that I know that you know... without s shot being fired until one lines up the perfect shot, think wild west gunslinger showdowns or one-stroke samurai battles. I'd be down
>>17251460Two of my favorite things.
>>17236579African independence wars post WW2 are where the real crazy action is at.
>>17251576Really? Please tell me more about it
>>17251581Sorry, i'm going to bed now.
>>17251581just watch Africa Addio
>>17250841>J-31 coal burnerLook like Greenpeace is on suicide watch
>tfw no onboard plane AI gf
>>17251590>that scene with the mercenary that look like classic pirates with a parrotcrazy shit
>>17250841And what are they using now?
>>17244935I do like the aesthetics of the Black Bird.