>ITT: Retarded Questions that don't deserve a threadWhy the fuck didn't Feddies build underwater cities? They have the technology for literally hundreds of space colonies, they should at least have a few dozen underwater cities. Think of the benefits>No land mass to colony drop>Actual colony drops are impeded by miles of water>The Federation Navy has an actual role now
>>17041660>>Actual colony drops are impeded by miles of waterI'd have figured a colony drop would result in the kind of typhoon-inducing event that you'd not want to be in the water for.I need a physicist.
Why is there constant east vs west shitposting?
why does Chronicle Asher use his mask?
>>17041660because zeon has a fuckton of aqua-based mobile suits
>>17041660>Why the fuck didn't Feddies build underwater cities?They have too much unused land that building an underwater city would just be an enormous contest of pointless economic and engineering dickwaving. Besides, this is the Federation we're talking about, they are perpetually stuck in bureaucracy and dealing with welfare issues. At least the space colony construction and relocation program had the purpose of moving the socially and economically poor away from the elite and reducing the ecological footprint of humanity on earth.You're in luck though, an underwater city shows up in Victory Gundam episode 33 or thereabouts. Unfortunately they're not Federation-aligned, at least unofficially. The people in power were Zanscare-sympathizers and very much married to the matriarch cult of Zanscare's Queen Maria, I think.>>17041675Depends where in the water you are. Usually tidal waves are only a problem for shorelines, we don't hear about the ocean floor being scrubbed clean by earthquakes tidal waves.
>>17041660>>17041675The problem is that water is an incompressible fluid for all practical purposes, and to an underwater city the pressure wave from the impact would be like the mother of all depth charges.
>>17041660I doubt they'll survive an onslight of zeek attacks since Zeon seemed to have the better aqua MS. Basically making them even more sitting ducks that they already were with the MANY MANY dangers of fighting in a colony or near the damn thing. Well that's what I think at least.
>>17041660>>Actual colony drops are impeded by miles of wateryes but the colony is still going to slowly hit the city anon, it's not going to stay a float
>>17041660Engineering for the deep sea is actually a bigger challenge than engineering for space, high pressure is a bitch to deal with.
>>17041660There is...Where do you think the (((Jupiternoids))) are hiding
>>17043094Furthermore what benefit do you truly gain from building underwater cities instead of say... floating cities if your main concern is overpopulation? The idea that Feddie engineers would spend that kind of resources WMD-proofing their dwellings when it's only seriously ever happened once is absurd.
>>17043168>when it's only seriously happened once Three times but it's still a dumb idea, yea.
>>17043168Looks cool. Geothermal stuff too maybe I dunno. Downside is seismics, possibly?Also a floating city needs to still anchor itself to something unless you want to really entertain the idea of a free floating aquapolis taking the tides or some shit.
>>17041695A lot of it in the past few months may well literally be one guy.Otherwise, though, no answer to why it exists in the first place. There's a lot of potential for discussion, though, such as the prevalence of the false east v. west dichotomy, stereotypes and ignorance, company/console war idiocy being carried over, etc.>>17041710According to him in-show it's because of the dust and smell of Earth's atmosphere or something to that effect, but I may be misremembering.
>>17041660>>ITT: Retarded Questions that don't deserve a threadok, what if the earth federation gave the colonies full independence, what would happen?
>>17044515according to hasegawa the earthsphere orbital areas gets divided up between warlords
What was so bad about Megazone 23 Part III?
>>17044553this, image every colony turning into something like Cosmo Babylonia, it would be 40k but worsts.
>>17044643except everything is fucking goofy looking and the gundams have anchors on their heads
How big was the Sleeves? They seemed like they had more forces than Char's Neo Zeon
>>17044986>http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=98520#p98520>Char's Neo Zeon: Char's fleet consists of the flagship Rewloola, thirteen Musaka-class cruisers, and about a hundred mobile suits (the entire fleet carries 85 suits).http://mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=269587&sid=f35ae41b8868e0844bf2ce510cb0e9cb#p269587>In the final section of the story, "Over the Rainbow," we're told that the main Tennyson fleet consists of nine Musaka cruisers and six camouflaged transport ships (similar to the Garencieres). The Nahel Argama crew estimate that these ship types carry six and three mobile suits respectively, for a grand total of 72 mobile suits.>In addition to the Tennyson fleet, the Rewloola also has two Musaka cruisers as escorts. Assuming these ships are fully loaded, they'd carry a total of 24 mobile suits. That gives us a grand total of one Rewloola, eleven Musaka cruisers, six camouflaged transport ships, and 96 ship-based mobile suits
How come Zeon didn't use orbital bombardment to take out soft EFF targets on the ground? Also why was Zeon better at underwater warfare than the feds?
Why doesn't the Crossbone Vanguard just straight up kill their prisoners? Instead, they throw them into the gravity well and Ronah somehow expects they might survive. She's either a psychopath or actually retarded.
>>17045010What about the Palau Forces? They're sSleeves too right? Seemed like there were a few dozen Gazas and Geara Dogas, not to mention the handful of Musais.
>>17045108The feds never had a reason to go underwater, and minowski particles.
>>17045108Zeon's only hope was to land on Earth and knock out Jaburo to force a victory, because even if Zeon has the momentum and tech, they're still a much smaller force that is going to have a hard time winning by trying to destroy the entire EFF. They can't drop another colony because the Antarctic treaty game rules says so, and apparently no one has thought about dropping an asteroid instead. It's worth noting that there aren't many asteroids around the Earthsphere in the first place. Rocks like Luna II, A Baoa Qu, Solomon, and Pezun were towed into place from far away as a result of years of effort and high energy/fuel costs.Anyway, landing troops on enemy territory means they need to capture resources and secure bases on Earth for themselves to use. The EF navy was horribly fucked up by the tidal waves generated by the colony fragments impacting earth, IIRC at least one fragment landed in the Pacific ocean. I would guess the EF navy was probably less of a priority for the Federation to focus on rebuilding so when Zeon landed on Earth, the EF navy wasn't able to resist and Zeon was able to secure territory and capture entire bases like California base. Among the captured bases were coastal submarine bases and land bases housing landships. These formerly Federation submarines and landships were put into use for Zeon.>Dabude landship was originally a Russian/Federation design that was captured by Zeonhttp://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7907&start=0>Zeon submarines were originally Federal models captured by Zeon and modified for their useshttp://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=285858#p285858http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=12127&start=360From there on, the EF navy never had a chance to recover while Zeon just kept improving their brand new naval forces that they were able to obtain at the Feds' expense.
>>17045175Yep, those forces are considered Sleeves too. I would assume that Palau's forces were more or less wiped out or surrendered after the Nahel Argama won their battle there.I guess it wouldn't be wrong to say that the Sleeves were larger than Char's Neo Zeon. Of course, a large part of the Sleeves happen to be using equipment that used to be from Char's NZ forces anyway.
>>17045108>How come Zeon didnt use orbital bombardment Antarctic Treaty and the fact that most high priority targets were underground. Plus minovsky particles son. >Why was Zeon better at underwater warfare The Return of Johnny Ridden sort of answered this question but whether that's canon or not is debateable. According to that it essentially boiled down to Zeon misreading the Federation. Zeon expected the Federation to hold out on Earth for the remainder of the war and expected them to make a bigger deal out of the seas so they invested heavily in aqua suits. The Federation decided to play a different game and cut Zeon off from space with Operation Odessa then decided to bum rush space with the numbers advantage. The Zeon troops knew this was bad news and thus the hail mary attack on Jaburo. That's also why there's so fucking many Zeon remanants on Earth.
>>17044515Zeon would find some other bullshit reason to pull their nazi shit.
>>17041660>Why the fuck didn't Feddies build underwater cities?Well, consider how much we know about space due to how much shit we can launch up there, then compare how much we know about the ocean due to how much we can send down there. The same reason we have a space station in orbit right now and only three undersea habitats, the deepest only 19m below sea level.Pressure's a bitch, anon. You can just fly to space.
So in the original msg the Gundam had a fixed skirt, while in modern incarnations it’s separate. What are some ways I could modify a Gundam to keep its fixed shirt (turning it into a pelvis basically)?
>>17045777Ask the gunpla thread. My first idea, though, would be to create some kind of pull-out joint that allows the leg to remain vaguely flexible whilst keeping the pelvis a single block.
How much do you think a mobile suit costs? I always feel like it should be incredibly expensive, but the way they get fucking killed so fucking fast sometimes makes me think Anaheim or whoever produces the mobile suit in question cuts costs hard somewhere in production. The Geara Doga getting fucking shredded by the Jegan vulcans for example.
>>17041660Of course the Feds have underwater cities, the planet is 70% water. What do you think we built all those Z'goks and Goggs for?
>>17046432a GM 1 cost's 3.50
>>17046432Beam weapons are pretty powerful so speed is armor. The Vulcans scene was definitely weird.MS are pretty impressive assuming their mass is in the hundreds of tons and have metamaterials for construction somewhere
>>17046432About three fiddy
>>17046432I mean an f35 costs about 85 million a unit.
>>17041736theres the Dolos base in TB thats kind of an underwater city
>>17046594But that's a Zeon built and operated ship, not an EF installment.
how deep should underwater cities be built? we've seen in thunderbolt a grublo getting wrecked by depth pressure but how deep is too deep to consider living underwater feasible?
>>17041660how id the Cosmo Babylonia lose the war?was it infighting or was it seabook in f91 killing everyone?
>>17046641technically they won but later infighting (no clear successor for meitzer) did them in.
What was the point of the space whales in SEED?Were they actually going to show up at some point?
>>17046609depends on how strong the materials are
>>17044960Feddies already have little anchors
>>17047376Rumor has it they were to appear in the scrapped movie, with Awakening of Trailblazer apparently using ideas that were originally planned for it.As it is it ended up being a scrapped plot point much like Waltfield's remark about Kira being a possible berserker-type coordinator.
>>17045108They were deeply entrenched like Jaburo and Feds were the real space force even if Zakus could take em out like fodder
1. does a psycoframe barbus warrant it's own thread?2. how late is this joke?
Is this /m/?
>>17046641>>17046644The Feds also lifted (somehow) most of the industry/commerce of the side they took over leaving the CV with nothing to really use.
>>17046432>>17046490The Federation/Zeon also have access to large amounts of metals from asteroids which would slightly drive down costs. The main cost would be in electronics and such
>>17047919but how the heck did the EF outproduce them?>>17047917how exactly did businesses work within the realms of cosmo babylonia and zanscare? with zeon, you know they've got businesses that are in league with them but for the latter two, they just stroll in and hope the established ones plays ball?
>>17047923Zeon grew complacent due to the lull in fighting and never truly ramped up their production. The feds had lots of space and workers o they could outproduce once they retooled their lines. They also had enormous resource stockpiles I imagine.We're never reallygiven a view into the Gundam business world, but I find it odd the Feds were able to lift so much stuff.
>>17047926are the frontier sides basically self sufficient? in the sense that they produce their own stuff rather than wait for stuff from the main branch on earth to arrive?because if businesses still have ties on earth in terms of production, the EF could just block anything going to the frontier sides, hurt the CV economically in the process.zeta/zz does prove your complacency angle though (for a refugee fleet, they sure produced a lot of stuff after they settled in axis).
>>17047926>Compared to Earth Federation the military resources of Zeon is less than one thirtieth of theirs. Despite this major difference, how is it that we have been able to fight the fight for so long?Thats from Gihren's speech at Garma's funeral. The EF always massively outproduced Zeon in resources and manpower. A big issue for Zeon was manpower. They had the technology and the resources but they didn't have enough capable pilots to produce suits the way the EF could. This lead to the need for super weapons and mobile armors, Zeon needed a way to maximize the effectiveness of a minimal pool or pilots.
>>17047935So the Elmeth, Big Zam, Nieu Ziel and Val Walo were the pinnacles of that idea
>>17047951Nearly all Zeon mech development is a result of that necessity. In terms of overall forces the EF outnumbered Zeon significantly in conventional war machines (tanks, fighters, ships) and soldiers so Zeon produced mobile suits. When the federation could at best make. Guntanks, Zeon was already eyeing development of Goufs and Doms for Earth. But then came the stalemate and Zeon had no way of beating the sheer numbers behind the Federation or lay siege to Jaburo and so came development of Mobile Armors. Also, in a dumber move, came the development of aquatic mobile suits as Zeon thought the EF would put up a bigger fight for the oceans. And then the space fight. GMs were being cranked out like fucking Shermans and with every battle Zeon was taking losses that it couldn't recoup. So came the Gelgoog, finally a machine that could match the gundam, and the big zam, the val varo, the elmeth but by that time it was too late. Plus the in fighting of the Zabi family and the factions within Zeon. Another speech to consider is General Revil's speech that highlights how exhausted Zeon was right from the beginning of the war.
With the exception of Londo Bell did the Torrington Base received any more reinforcements from other bases or they were on their own?
>>17048385During Unicorn specifically? They were on their own. It took them a little while to counter but when the Zeon units lost momentum, it was over.
>>17046322Thanks, will do.
Why was Bright treated with such low respect from other Feddies after the first war?
>>17049111Titans > EFFNot actually all that much of a big shotetc. etc.
when did the GM show up in the OYW
>>17049141>Late Novemberwait, the EF harlem globetrottered (impossible comeback victory) zeon for the win?
>>17049149It was more like a zerg rush after a very lengthy stalemate. Zeon did fuck all for a long time.
>>17049149Not him, but when the war reached Earth it was a stalemate, not a curbstomp. Zeon made very quick gains in space owing to their Mobile Suits and use of the blitz. After this came the Antarctic treaty and Zeon's invasion of earth. Zeon's ground forces, even with Mobile Suits, were not enough to overcome the EF's conventional forces. Both sides were basically gridlocked with each other, during which time the EF was developing its own Mobile Suits. The White Base's odyssey was a part of this but the EF was developing GMs during this time, drove Zeon off of Earth with their conventional force during Odessa, and then continued the offensive following the failed attack on Jaburo.
>>17049156>>17049162oh i get it, it's just i didn't realize how late the comeback was. october maybe but late november makes it sound like zeon gets pounded for the entirety of december (screw christmas!).
>>17049111The upper echelons he happened to encounter were just colossal assholes.
>>17049167That's essentially what happened. Operation Odessa was in early November and crippled Zeon's earth occupation. They made a desperate attack on Jaburo at the end of November (which is when the GM first sees combat) and then it was right to space. Battle of Solomon was on December 25th and A Baoa Qu as December 31st.
>>17049176>Battle of Solomon was on December 25thMERRY CHRISTMAS YOU FILTHY ANIMALS!
>>17041660It is easier to get out of earth and build shit in space than exploring the oceans and building underwater constructions.it is the same reason why in real life there is not much funds and research to explore th depths of the ocean. water exploration is a fucking bitch. the pressure underwater makes it a lot more difficult if not impossible to expand humanity's living territory in that area of the planet.
What the fuck does Gundam even mean?
who is the little guy on the amakusa's hand?
>>17044515Colonies go full warring states, but in space.
>>17045169>or actually retarded.Go rewatch F91 and actually pay attention to her scenes, then ask yourself how you ever thought that she wasn't retarded.
>>17047934All colonies once complete are supposed to be self sufficient when it comes to resources. Even the Jupiter colonies are self sufficient, although it was hell for the first couple decades because they didn't receive any support from the EF to get them onto their feet first. Being self sufficient doesn't extend into funding or supplying a war effort or producing goods to trade with other colonies.
>>17049507>warring states, but in space.
Is civillian are allowed to own mobile suit? If yes,what does it need to legally own one, other than a money?
>>17049532they can but it's a watered down version (non-combat grade armor, can't use weapons)
>>17049536>Basically only a corporation that allowed to own a mobile suitI was expected to own one like car, but yeah...
What happened to Macross 3-6?
Why aren't remotely controlled drone MS like the ones used by GX-9900 more widespread in mecha?
Here's a really retarded question that really doesn't deserve a thread.I watched a 4-6 episode OVA from the 80s-90s years ago and I can't fucking remember what it was called. The main character looked a bit like Guyver here, but the show was this horrible mess of fucked up porn monsters and guro. Giant old men with snake dicks that attacked people, a monster fat chick that sucked dudes up and spit them out without their skin.What the fuck show am I thinking of?
>>17049556kakugo no susume/apocalypse zero
>>17049556Kakugo no Susume, it's unironically fucking great and the manga is even better.
>>17049551This is probably a question that does warrant a separate thread.
>>17049560>>17049561Thank you guys so so much.It's been like five fucking years.
>>17049562it's already a minor discussion in the g-saviour thread (both it and X feature drone MS).
>>17049167Feddies also has absolute air superiority.
>>17049563You should check out the manga. It truly is a wild ride.
>>17049543Johnny Ridden featured a Zaku for digging/construction work that a township owned. Probably if you had enough cash or wanted to get an outdated model from Feddie surplus, you could.
Has Tomino ever written a shrew that's pettier and more short-sighted than Shou Zama's mother from Dunbine?
Why did Loran crossdress again?Was Guin just kinky?
>>17041736>You're in luck though, an underwater city shows up in Victory Gundam episode 33 or thereabouts. Unfortunately they're not Federation-aligned, at least unofficially. The people in power were Zanscare-sympathizers and very much married to the matriarch cult of Zanscare's Queen Maria, I think.Doesn't mean they built it. I don't remember the details, but it might have been built by the Feds before Victory.
So what ever happened to Amuro's parents? Did he meet them after the war when he was a hero?
What the fuck is Aphrodite A's head supposed to resemble?
>>17041660why don't mobilesuits incorporate control surfaces in their design?not even for full on aerodynamic flight but for hopping around and gliding and landing where they want them to without spending attitude control fuel.
>>17052161In the Zeta era they did kind of experiment with control surfaces, fins were common design features as well. Movable assemblies that combined thrusters and control surfaces were called binders.Most non-flying MS don't generally operate at high enough altitudes that they could glide from though, and if they had to then they would have a Dodai or something. Even when thruster hopping, the amount of time until they reach the ground is measured in just seconds, and for control surfaces to be able to impart an appreciable amount of force to shift around a 50~75 ton MS from just lift, they would need to be rather large, no? The large the cross section, the more likely they are to be spotted and get damaged in combat.If the idea was to airdrop MS on an enemy position, it'd make more sense to get them down to the ground as safely as possible as quickly as possible as they are vulnerable in midair, so they would have rocket assisted landings like in 08th MS Team and Zeta, carrying external thruster pods for landing operations. If the idea is to save operational fuel and allow them to travel farther distances while in flight, might as well just give them a flight platform that has its own fuel supply since the things are so cheap and numerous already. In UC they have perfected thermonuclear jet engines that don't use fuel ignition to produce thrust, but heat from a reactor instead, as used on the Dom for hovering and on the Zeta Plus A series for thrust in atmospheric flight.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_PropulsionIn the end, most MS that feature control surfaces are the higher end models where cost is less of a concern. For basic MS like a GM that will almost never spend much combat time in midair, they won't bother to give it any control surfaces.
>>17052135his dad died and the feddies put Amuro into lockdown
Is Yukikaze worth watching ?
>>17052428Yeah. But read the LNs as well because the series misses some stuff.
ok, so we know zeon made a infiltrator suit (the camouf) and the EF had a converted zaku (the zanny) but did the EF ever made a infiltrator suit (gm that looks like a zaku)?
>>17052119I believe the Moonrace had mistaken him for a female pilot so they were playing towards that. Also Guin.
>>17052135They're not really ever seen again, it's assumed Tem Rey just stays in his junkyard making nonsense until his death and Amuro's mom is never heard from at all after Amuro takes off. His parents were never really important in their own rights, just their effect on Amuro as he grows up. It's unlikely he ever reconnected with either.
>>17052158I wanted to say a harp but that doesnt make sense.
at what point in the design phase did hasegawa realized he almost made a beam swastika?
>>17052158i want to say fallopian tubes but people will look at me funny.
do afterimages deal extra damage in the FC setting?
Why are there no Rick Dias in ZZ or Unicorn? They couldn't have all been destroyed, they were mass produced
>>17054928Their production was relatively limited, and Nemoes and GM IIIs supplanted them.
>>17054282I think they're just illusions in FC.
Is there something like the cyberpunk genre but happier and more fun? Like cyber-happiness if you will?
>>17055092still can't figure out how the whole god shadow catching the burning machine gun punch works
>>17055092>>17055102It's like Fist of The North Star, where the techniques are said to NOT be magical spirit extension mumbo jumbo, but they totally are.
>>17055098The standard future utopia like jetsons or star trek?
how will lowe BS that the slaughter dagger is a good boy and isn't made to kill people?
>>17056582Man calling an MS the Slaughter Dagger is asking for war crimes.
>>17056631>foot mounted anti-infantry guns because people complained about wasting anti-MS ammo/energy on them.shouldn't stepping on them be cheaper?>no CE version of Yazan calling his dagger 'violator'
>>17056582Easy, claim the foot Vulcans were fake news.
>>17056690gina: astrays are made to fight and destroylowe: no they're not!gina: i'm one of the people who made these damn things! i know what i'm talking about!
>>17041660what's with the hate with the human debris
>>17058733In my conception, they are depersonalized so they are easier to control.The hate is just part of it.
>>17058733They're literal slaves of the simplest kind. They have no human rights and you can therefore do whatever you want to them without fear of repercussion.
how earth survived colony drop(s) and what was the purpose of colony drops
>>17058878It would take something bigger than the typical space colony to actually destroy the earth. And they usually are dropped as a combination of shock and awe and to fuck over one area specifically. The original drop was meant to take out the eff headquarters at Jaburo, Delaz's drop was intended to wipe out major food production farms in north america to cause a food shortage, Haman's was basically a scare tactic and "fuck you" to the EF, and Char wanted to drop a huge asteroid colony hoping it would trigger an impact winter and force people to abandon the earth (and because he wanted to force amuro to confront him).
>>17058917Wasn't Delaz fleet's drop also aimed at Jaburo, but it hit North America instead owing to the intervention of the EF?
>>17058920No, Gato changed its course to NA.
>>17058851>you can, therefore, do whatever you want to them without fear of repercussion.anything huh
>>17058920No, everyone in series just assumed it was meant for Jaburo. The true purpose of operation stardust was to cause a food shortage that would lead to the EF drawing resources from the colonies, which would stir up unrest and spark a new spacenoid uprising. >>17058924Its course was always meant for NA, Gato was just doing last minute course corrections after it got hit by the mirror array.
>>17041710It's the sort of mask racecar drivers wear underneath their helmets in case of fires.
>>17041710Hes a big guy
Can the Hi-Nu and Sazabi even operate in atmosphere?
>>17058917>It would take something bigger than the typical space colony to actually destroy the earthbut there were more than one>wipe out major food production farms in north america to cause a food shortageso it did kinda kill earth
>>17060946but food shortage only became a real problem in freaking G-Saviour.