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Can anyone really argue you're born gay at this point? I don't understand why some people have such a hard time admitting environment plays a huge role in your development. This applies to other letters in LGBT as well.
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And why do you feel the need to shill this on a closeted Kazakhstani transgender board? No one really knows.
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>>12874681
I have polaroids from every year in my childhood, and basically as soon as I stopped being a poop machine and gained sentience, you can visibly see the swish. It's a little embarrassing.
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>>12874681
a majority of people are gay but their straight parents dont let them show it
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>>12874681
That paper basically said that girls with lesbian parents are more likely to be non-heterosexual. Not exactly shocking.


Why does it matter anyway?
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>>12874681
I don't most people are meaning it absolutely literally as in you come of the womb homosexual, they just use it to mean it's not a choice.
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>>12874681
You’re not. I was a straight guy until I transitioned. Then I started liking only guys
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>>12874807
>>12874813
And this is why it's important. We have to find the root cause of this phenomena and take measurements to ensure it doesn't become more common as it is.
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all women are bisluts, this proves nothing we didn't already know.
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>>12874681
Even if being gay is decided during your upbringing, so what ? How does it make it wrong ?
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>>12874856
Normies want to prevent homos from happening. The fact that they don't know what causes it infuriates them.
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>>12874856
It means the way you raise your kids and what you expose them to matters if you want to have grandchildren.
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>>12874868
Your kids aren't your personal grandchild factories so you can play granddaddy or grandmommy few times a year.
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>>12874781
If this were true we would have gone extinct long ago
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>>12874874
I'm taking steps to ensure they won't turn into transsexuals or homosexuals, that way the odds of them having children are somewhat high, considering I will raise them in a religious and conservative environment.
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>>12874899
and we should go extinct
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>>12874902
I don't understand how people like you are allowed to exist and have children, honestly. You are not going to impregnate anyone so don't worry your retard fag head over it.
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>>12874910
Why are you so upset?
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>>12874902
religion optional
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>>12874912
probably got offended that someone had a different opinion
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>>12874829
or what? a huge portion of the population is suddenly going to not want to reproduce and the population will crash or something? They'll want to stop having children?
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>>12874681
really it's just because it's easier to explain it to normies that way. When you're trying to explain to people why you should have the same rights as everyone else it's a lot easier than trying to give them a course in gender and sexuality
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>>12874874
Wish I could remember where I read this but there some type of study that said homosexuality becomes more common when overpopulation happens. Which would make sense because throughout history most places that have some records of homosexuality are usually overpopulated compared to lower populated places. Plus overpopulation isn't good for any species.
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>>12875010
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20642872/
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>>12875010
maybe due to the fact that gay couples can not reproduce and most adopt because surrogate mothers are expensive.
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>>12874899
Not really. The drop in fertility rates is a very recent thing. Before breeders were popping out baby's left and right.
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>>12875064
and this just proves my point
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>>12875023
>INTERGENERATIONAL
this implies that they are biological children. Furthermore, the link itself states that it is evidence that the sexuality is intergenerational, or the complete opposite of what the OP suggests.
>gay couples can not reproduce
Which means precisely NOTHING about gay fathers or lesbian mothers having children. You ARE aware of 'beards', yes?
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>>12875105
many will choose to adopt rather than hiring someone.

Intergenerational does not necessarily imply a biological relationship. I'm not sure if you're aware but legally the child of your adopted child would still be your grandchild.
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>>12874902
That just ensures they'll be distant from you if they grow up to have different views
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Just ban homos from adopting girls
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Wish my parents were same sex then I could have been gay when I grow up
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>>12874681
So what?
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>>12874681
I still believe homosexuality and LGBT is caused by trauma somewhere in the child's upbringing. Resolving the past trauma can help bring peace to their mental health.
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>>12875869
I had no trauma as a kid ama
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>>12874902
>t. future child abuser
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>>12874829
Female sexuality is more malleable than male sexuality. You should know this.
>>12874856
Also this
>>12874681
Also, it's true that 92.3% of statistics posted online are from bogus studies or OP's sagging and stretched ass
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>>12874681
False dichotomy. There could be genetic and environmental factors at play.

I see no reason to trust an uncited statistic on an image board but even if it is true it could mean that homosexuality or bisexuality is more common than people are willing to admit and that those with same sex parents are more chill about it. Disgust can be taught.
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>>12874768
LOL same
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>>12874829
>We have to find the root cause of this phenomena and take measurements to ensure it doesn't become more common as it is.
Why?
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>>12874681
Finding people sexually attractive isn't a choice nor completely biological, but many environmental factors growing up can affect someone one way or another, which you may or may not have control over.
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>>12875980
>>12875831
I want grandchildren, most people do. Birth rates are already low as it is, so adding ~5% more to the population would be significant.

Also, they won't be bullied for their sexuality if they're straight. They're less likely to have mental health issues and kill themselves.

Why is wanting this for your children a bad thing?
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>>12876025
Nobody owes you children, incel.
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>>12876029
But there are methods to make it more likely to happen, obviously I'm going to take advantage of those. Like being raised in a conservative family.
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>>12876036
I was raised in an ultra conservative environment in a small town in Michigan
And I’m a prancing lala faggot.
You should try something else
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even if it were a choice, why the fuck do you feel the need to
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE GAAAAAYSSSSS LGBT PEOPLE LOOKING FUNNY AAAAAAAAAHAHHAHHHHHHHH FUUUUUCK MY EYES AAAH THEY'RE COMMING TO RAPE MEEEEE I'M SHITTING MYSELLLFFFF AAAAAAAAAAAA
you need to focus on yourself instead of trying to change other you straight fucking drone
here's a revelation for you: children out of straight houses are more likely to be straight
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>>12876029
based
>>12876036
Better to have no children at all than conservative ones desu
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>>12876025
>I just want to protect my kids from bullying by trying to force and railroad them into being straight
>this will definitely lead to them being well adjusted adults if they end up being gay despite my shitty attempts to force them otherwise
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ITT: another breeder plans on making small humans but is completely unprepared for the fact that they can and will be unpredictable

You're not mature enough to have kids. Go adopt a dog or something.
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>>12874681
That's obviously because homosexuals who adopt don't care enough about society's opinion about that (marriage and adoption) to care about not influencing children too. Consider that 2% of children end up gay even when society constantly pressures them to be heterosexual.
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>>12874681
That's not a real statistic
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>>12874902
Let me guess, your steps involve shouting at them if they show any sign of femininity or forcing them to participate in sports even if they're not all that interested ?
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>>12874681
>Can anyone really argue you're born gay at this point?


yep.

You cant prove people aren't born gay so the argument is still valid.
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>>12875873

Did you have cats? Ive herd a theory that some rodents carry a virus that causes the gay and if you have cats who catch rats you are likley to be exposed to it via the cat.
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>>12876836
Yeah we had a lot of them. One indoor cat and a couple barn cats
Also cats where my favorite animal when I was little and had a cot book and read cat fancy magazine
inb4 toxoplasmosis meme
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>>12876699

Most graphs and statistics are fake.

I literally just made this.
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>>12876836
None of my traditional, non-abusive family ever had a single cat.
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>>12876878
Watch /pol/tards snatch this one and repost it unironically.
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>>12874768

confirmation bias
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>>12876897

I'm gonna start posting it in /pol/ threads for fun and see if anyone else reposts it
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>>12874807
>Not exactly shocking.
uh this basically completely contradicts the narrative that homosexuality is always innate and that people are "born this way", this is very shocking because that thing that basically everyone in western society believes is apparently wrong
>Why does it matter anyway?
do you not think that correcting falsehoods has intrinsic value?
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>>12876878
>>12876897
>>12876909

too late
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>>12876699
>>12876878
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20642872 you dumb fucking troglodyte retards, it's real
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>>12876036
Having a conservative family doesn't mean you'll have only straight kids.
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>>12876836
That's a conspiracy theory from some literally-who
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>>12876956
>Walter Schumm
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>>12874681
children raised by homosexual parents are less likely to repress, and have a more defined place to model their romantic behavior on. Homosexual children raised by heterosexual parents often struggle with this, having difficulty identifying their own sexuality because their primary romantic model, their parents, isn't compatible with them.
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>>12876993
is he wrong? if so, why?
>>12877025
>everyone is gay, they just don't know it yet
are you one of those creepy homos that always goes after straight guys?
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>>12877082
Look at his other papers. He's obviously a biased researcher.
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>>12874681
Nobody is born as anything. You become straight/gay/male/female later in life.
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>>12877134
but is he wrong? if so, why?
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>>12877149
When a researcher is biased they will omit or include certain results from their studies so the conclusion will be in line with what they want. You can no longer trust them or any of their findings.
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>>12874768
My girlfriend is a tranny and seeing photos from 4 or 5 up you can tell the kid was a flaming faggot. It's undeniable.
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>>12877171
you have absolutely no evidence that his results are illegitimate, you've just invented the idea that he must have falsified his results out of thin air to justify continuing to believe what you already believed in the face of contradictory evidence
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>>12877194
What do you mean there's no evidence? He supported bans against same-sex marriage. It's not my job to make someone elses' results seem legitimate, that's the job of the researcher. If you're biased on the issue you're researching you can no longer be trusted. That's how science works.
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>>12877147
prove it.
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>>12874681
The reason they don't admit it is because pretending they're born that way is a perfect counter-argument to people advocating for the use of coversion therapy, which attempts to force people to wear a mask by traumatising them; which is even unhealthier on a psychological level than homosexuality.
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>>12877194
This is just the essence of research. Biased institutions, researchers, or funding are grounds enough to completely reject an idea in academia. You should know this by now.
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>>12877224
Babies are retarded and don't know anything. We develop by observing our surroundings.
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>>12874681
I know a lot of people will disagree, but I think it can be a little bit of both. I think in some cases, it can be genetic, much like the personality someone's born with. But in some cases, personality can be shaped by your upbringing, so I wouldn't be surprised if sexuality was the same way.
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>>12877258
>I know a lot of people will disagree, but I think it can be a little bit of both.
Of course people will disagree, it's 100% both. It doesn't make sense to say one is more than the other when one can't exist without the other.
>I think in some cases, it can be genetic, much like the personality someone's born with.
It's always genetic. You can't become anything if your genes aren't compatible with the behaviour.
>But in some cases, personality can be shaped by your upbringing
In all cases your personality is shaped by your upbringing.

Did everyone on 4chan flunk biology class, like wtf am I reading? You have thousands of genes creating a unique human which adapts to its surroundings. Your genetics don't make you gay or straight, it's an extremely complicated combination of environmental influences and genetics predisposing you towards reactions towards the influences you're exposed to
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>>12877223
>What do you mean there's no evidence? He supported bans against same-sex marriage.
i guess we should kick all of the pro-same sex marraige people out of sexuality-related research then? or is it okay when they do it?
>It's not my job to make someone elses' results seem legitimate, that's the job of the researcher.
you didn't even read the actual paper, you just pointed to his name as evidence for why it was wrong
>If you're biased on the issue you're researching you can no longer be trusted. That's how science works.
um sweetie that isn't how science works at all, the way science works is that you make a falsifiable hypothesis that explains some collected data and then other people try to disprove it by either providing contradictory data or coming up with a better hypothesis that fits more of the existing data, and if nobody is able to do this then the original hypothesis gets accepted as truth
what you are suggesting is that everyone who has opinions you don't like is automatically wrong without ever having to bother even considering their claims at all. that is the exact opposite of science and objective reasoning
arguments are either right or wrong and whether they are right or wrong is completely independent of who makes them. in fact, trying to use who makes an argument as evidence for why it is wrong is an exceedingly well-known logical fallacy known as "ad-hominem", you might want to look it up because this is basically a textbook example of it
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>>12877658
>or is it okay when they do it?
Yes it is. They're not discriminating against anyone on the basis of their sexuality, so it's okay for them to conduct research on the topic.
>you didn't even read the actual paper, you just pointed to his name as evidence for why it was wrong
I didn't "point to his name as evidence for why it was wrong", my point was that the credibility of a study is ruined when a researcher is exposed as biased.
The paper is an examination of ten different studies. Studies with unfavorable results could've been omitted, and the sample size also isn't very big. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that children will have their sexuality influenced by parents and upbringing, but the statistics from this source shouldn't be taken seriously.
>you make a falsifiable hypothesis that explains some collected data
Nobody is questioning the hypothesis, the problem is the data supporting it being cherry picked to favor a certain outcome. I don't need to prove whether that happened, the burden lies on the researcher to stay unbiased. Bias is fine in certain fields, if you're a scientist who really wants wormholes to be real it's okay because people can look at your equations and know if they're correct or wrong, but that isn't the case here when dealing with statistics
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>>12874902
A lot of lgbt people were raised in conservative christian households. I am MTF and was raised by christian conservative parents. The only things that stuck are that I should be able to own weapons and shouldn't have to pay for other people.
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>>12876025
>want grandchildren, most people do. Birth rates are already low as it is, so adding ~5% more to the population would be significant.
Surrogacy exist. Birth rates don't matter.

>Also, they won't be bullied for their sexuality if they're straight. They're less likely to have mental health issues and kill themselves.
Your intolerance is what will cause your child to have mental health issues.

>Why is wanting this for your children a bad thing?
It isnt, See the first response.
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>>12876025
>"It's easier to force my child not to be a potential victim for being apart of a marginalised group than it is to change society to not attack said marginalised group so in justified in my actions of making them repress till death"

I never understood how and why anyone ever thinks this argument is legitimate, "I don't want my child to be born with a skin colour not of the least oppress race because the chances of them facing oppression increases, so I'll do everything in power from having a marginalised child instead of having the power structure that led to this fucked up scenario abolished or altered"

I.e we should punish others for having traits that make them the target of bullies/oppression instead of....stopping bullies.
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I know for a fact I was not born gay.
I was straight for my childhood. I had crushes on female classmates. My dick got hard from drawing dicks but that was just because it was me being a dumb kid who had no exposure to anything sexual, an overreaction if you will. It's like most guys getting an erection in sex ed when the teacher is talking about/showing diagrams of dicks. I never thought "that guy is cute," "that guy is hot," or "man I want to kiss him." When I hit puberty and discovered porn I enjoyed femdom and futa, but never vaginal sex. I eventually got into crossdressing and then feminine guys without necessarily having girls' clothes on and always self inserted as them. A few years later I went back to mostly straight porn but never self inserted as the dom. In my teens I never found any females attractive so I figured I was a late bloomer, but knew I was straight; gay men wouldn't have crushes on girls before, and they wouldn't get off to straight porn. I always knew I had a dick fetish but in my early 20s it went beyond that and feminine men. I started finding guys attractive. Not necessarily feminine ones, either, and I don't like the majority of men I encounter. But it was only in the past year or two I started paying attention to any real men.
I still am not into a lot of masculine features like bald guys or most body hair, so I think I'm just a straight fetishist or prison gay from being alone for years. Before, seeing a fat gut did nothing for me and I didn't look at men twice, now I get horny. When I was at the pool as a kid I never looked at men. Now when I'm at the gym I have to stop mid-rep because there are ripped men there and I have to hide my boner because my gym shorts are thin. When I was a kid I always imagined I'd marry a woman, and as an adult I have romantic feelings exclusively for men.
Abstaining from porn and fapping didn't make any of this go away.

I definitely wasn't gay until a year or two ago. Some might be born gay but not all.
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>>12877904
you're just making a bunch of bullshit arguments in the hope that in the process of rebutting them i'll make a mistake and you'll be able to use that to say i was wrong the entire time. the truth is that you're literally just making shit up for why he's wrong, you have just invented this entire narrative out of whole cloth about how he is biased and therefore must be lying about the results (not to mention the double-standard about how it's okay if pro-gay marriage people compile statistics, because they agree with you). literally the only argument you have is muh invisible undetectable bias (that only applies to people who disagree with me) means that they had a motive to skew the statistics, ergo, they must have done it even if there's no actual evidence they did so
i really think you shouldn't talk about these things at all if you're going to look so stupid while doing them, you're going to make us all look like conniving sociopaths who will say absolutely anything to get what we want even when it goes against the facts
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>>12875126
>Intergenerational does not necessarily imply a biological relationship.
Yes it does. The word adopted does not appear anywhere in the study. The word 'stepfather' or 'adopted father' do not appear anywhere. The only words are 'gay father' and 'lesbian mother'.

That purely gay couples may choose to adopt is irrelevant to the meaning of the study, and until you have some actual evidence to demonstrate otherwise, it will remain as it reads.

This is doubly true since their conclusion is that it is more likely to be genetic than socially influenced, since that's pretty much the case the OP is making. Get some fuckling reading comprehension.
>>12876934
>uh this basically completely contradicts the narrative that homosexuality is always innate
not even fucking remotely. The paper literally draws the opposite conclusion.
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>>12878047
>But it was only in the past year or two I started paying attention to any real men.
How old are you?
>Now when I'm at the gym I have to stop mid-rep because there are ripped men there and I have to hide my boner because my gym shorts are thin.
This is pretty gay, brah.
I never thought about being gay when I was younger. I knew there was something weird about me, but just figured I liked girls and this was what you did. Now that I'm almost 40 I want nothing to do with women. If they aren't a tranny then I have no use for them. I've tried being friends with women, but they always want to fuck. Maybe chat with them here or there, but other than that they serve no real purpose in my life. I've never had a problem getting laid either so this isn't like some prison gay thing.
A lot of people change as they grow and move through life. I don't think most know this because most don't talk about it.
Most wind up getting married and having kids before they realize this.
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>>12878131
If my arguments are bullshit either explain why or fuck off. I'm not going join your shit flinging contest. I'm sorry you don't like "double-standards" but that's what our society is built upon. If everything was equally valid and invalid you wouldn't be so offended by this to begin with. It's very hilarious how you're claiming wanting gay people to have less rights than straight people is an "invisible undetectable bias". I don't think you're a bad faith actor, I'm taking you at your word and will assume you actually believe that. If that's the case, you obviously have an extreme bias towards gay people. No rational discussion can be had with you at this point.
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>>12878169
>How old are you?
22
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>>12874899
Not really. One straight or even bisexual dude can impregnate like 365 women per year. The rest of the men can be gay. And all of the women can be gay too, and impregnated through rape
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>>12874768
>>12875978
>>12877183
>tfw not a flaming faggot since birth
Am I faketrans?
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>>12876044
based
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>>12876934
everyone is born bisexual actually, but a heteronormative upbringing represses the homosexual part of it
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>>12878558
And a intense desire to be special spawns homosexuality, I like this theory
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>>12878419
If you like the feeling of estrogen (or testosterone for FtM) in your body you're truetrans
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>>12878632
before: "trans people need to transition because they experience severe gender dysphoria that prevents them from living a normal life"
now: "everyone who can be convinced to transition is trans"
i'm starting to think those people who say the slippy slope is a logical fallacy had ulterior motives
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>>12878649
Wow you’re totally right, I have been thinking the exact same thing for quite some time and this one post on this niche board totally proves the entire theory
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>>12878649
what would be wrong with convincing a person to transition? if a person doesn't like HRT, they can just stop taking it
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>>12878649
>i'm starting to think those people who say the slippy slope is a logical fallacy had ulterior motives
I really hope that was meant as a joke. You realize why it's a logical fallacy, right?
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>>12878047
>>12878169
don't listen to this faggot this anon here is the most honest I've seen a' you lot. Why does everyone try and push everything as gay? A guy can't do anything experimental without being told it's gay shit. I mean holy fuck ayy-non. get your head out of the mountain dew bottles for a second.
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>>12879060
toxic masculinity obviously
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>>12879060
>A guy can't do anything experimental without being told it's gay shit
It's very simple. Heterosexuality is the most fragile thing in the world. All it takes is one wrong move, and it completely shatters. Why do you think teenagers call everything "gay"? It's because they're deathly afraid. They have to push the suspicion away from themselves with any means possible, and the most effective way is by convincing everyone how bad they think homosexuality is and by trying to aim the spotlight onto someone else. Being straight isn't easy, in fact, we're the most oppressed minority
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>>12878581
Everyone desires to be special, idiot.
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>>12881944
I said “intense desire” though
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>>12881944
>everyone wants to be special and original
do you go outside
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>>12881971
Everyone has an intense desire to be special. Those that don't are unhealthy.
>>12882092
They're just scared that people will judge them if they express their desire to be special.
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>>12874924
If that different opinion involves abusing your children into the person you want them to be rather than what they want to be. Kids are not fucking toys for you to vicariously live the life you want through. They are not you 2.0 or grandchildren making factory. If you can't wrap your head around that you do not deserve to be anywhere near even thinking about getting children
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>tfw born gay
>tfw pureblood
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>>12874991
Lol the rat utopia thing nazis cite constantly? That was a crock of shit. Even use a priori. Plenty of crowded places are homophobic.

The reason more kids of gay parents come out as gay is because they have good role modela that are gay and supportive of them if they are gay. Its like gee I wonder why less people identify themselves as gay in countries where it gets you the death penalty
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>>12877025
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