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>>11757298 (OP)
I was hoping this would be a thing

Having/carrying my bf's kid would be a dream. I was born intersex so I never had the choice to have kids to begin with.
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>>11757299
SEETHING suburban mums
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>>11757298
I'd donate my uterus to a trans woman if I could.
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>>11757298
>women want to have children
>other women complain
Seems about right. I'd agree with them that other natal women should be allowed the same treatment, but not at a priority (we shouldn't be in priority either - it should be a first come type deal or whatever other normal procedure the NHS uses).

And yes, funded by the NHS. Women are women, regardless of whether you like it or not, whether you disagree or not, and whether you think its a conspiracy theory or not.
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>>11757298
Finally.
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>>11757299
Isnt the London transgender clinic a private clinic though?
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>>11757367
thx senpai
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>>11757298
That's awesome!
So, uh., how long until someone can dehon me?
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>>11757298
Surgeons are based. I probably have more respect for surgeons than any other profession except maybe top of their field scientists.
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>>11757298
>millions of biological women can't have babies for reasons
>"Fuck women, we should be implanting wombs into men because LOL I dunno"

thank you lgbt community
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>>11758306
Trans women are women uwu
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god please yes
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>>11757298
Confirmed egg
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>>11758316
>they're women who are so female and womanly that they have to have parts stolen from actual women surgically implanted into them

the logic checks out
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>>11758357
>Stolen
wew
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>>11758366

oh you're right, I forgot that you can just go down to Wombs R Us and pick up a six pack instead of cutting them out of real women who were born with them since that's the only place wombs actually come from, real women who were born with them.

silly, silly me!
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>>11758387
seething
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>>11757409
They're women, that's why they need their chopped up and dick turned inside out before having the necessary parts implanted AND then having another persons eggs put in so in the end their kid won't even be really theirs.
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>>11758387
Do you really think that doctors go around and steal wombs
Is this where we're at
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>>11758413

Where are they getting the wombs from then?
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>>11758437
they ask nicely for them
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>>11758437
Anon
Where do people get e.g. hearts for heart transplants?
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>>11758447

by stealing them from people who were born with them
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>>11758452
So, every time someone receives a heart transplant, a doctor murders a rando without their consent, and this murder is frequently state-funded?
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>>11758472

hey now tranner, one ghoulish organ-swapping fantasy at a time, please.
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>>11758478
I'm afraid that's your fantasy, not mine.
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>>11758504

?

you're the person advocating for implanting men with uteruses because if you don't they'll cry and threaten to kill themselves
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>>11758517
You believe that doctors go around and steal organs from people lol
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>>11758523

where else do organs come from other than the bodies of other people?
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>>11758531
>So, every time someone receives a heart transplant, a doctor murders a rando without their consent, and this murder is frequently state-funded?
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>>11758535
why do you bother replying to that dumbfuck lol
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>>11757298
S K I N W A L K E R S

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>>11758540
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>>11758535
>>11758553
Supposing this was true and it was possible to make transgirls cis using transplantation.

What should be done if there aren't enough females to go around? Corpses don't work and transgirls outnumber terfs, so where do you think the extra female parts needed should come from? Or should some transgirls have to go without and just transition with normal hormones and surgery? How would you pick the ones who have to stay male? Can they pay to skip ahead in the queue?
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>>11758306
Who's trying to stop women from having these implants?
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>>11758626
Not every trans person wants kids, which is the only thing this procedure would allow differently than standard transitioning so far. It doesn't make them cis. They'd still be XY and still have to take hormones.
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>>11758626
There are already more women than men in the world. Try again.
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>>11758653
It's a hypothetical. If you could be turned into a cis girl but the process is >>11758626

>>11758654
If you just use as many females as necessary, which ones do you use first? Criminals?
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>>11758626
>transgirls outnumber terfs

Faggots are retarded.

Let's do some math:
The majority of the world's population are in 3rd world countries. In those countries, the concept of being trangender/gay/ not straight is, to them, so... alien. Many of those women are ACTUALLY oppressed (not like what white/western women yap about) and are honor killed / beaten / raped for just telling a man no.

The west has bern taking in these people and no matter what people say, our demographics will be changed forever.

So if you honestly think a woman (or man) that grew up in those environments and came here... will call a hon looking motherfucker like you a woman... with a straight face.

You
Are
Fucking
Retarded
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>>11758626
Again

S K I N W A L K E R S
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>>11758626
The exact same way we do liver or any other transplants: by medical viability of survival and good prospects for transplant (we wouldn't need the MELD scores and the like which involve survival duration without transplant).

>>11758708
Seeking medical assistance isn't 'skinwalking' you mouthbreathing retard.
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>>11757298
what's the point
most "tranwomen" are transbians (aka straight rapists with a fetish) anyway so they can actually have children the normal way (god forbid they do though)
why should we throw away resources to the garbage bin that is transgender procreation when there are many normal women who can't have children
no reason at all
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>>11758357
uh, can't you apply this exact same sentence to infertile cis women that you think should get these transplants instead?
Didn't really think that through huh, did you
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>>11757298
he's retarded, a functioning uterus requires a real vagina and a female endocrine system, and that will never happen until we can switch meat capsules ala Ghost in the Shell.

this is literally an old man babbling
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>>11758781
>a functioning uterus requires a real vagina
lol what? no it doesn't retard
>and a female endocrine system
births from uterus transplants have already been done to cis women without their own natural ovaries
most of the hormones needed in a pregnancy are produced by the placenta. the rest can and HAVE been done artificially, either through an ovary transplant along with the womb or with external HRT.
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>>11758700
I feel it's unethical to use third world populations that way, but it would be more than enough to cover all transgirls.

>>11758708
That's the hypothetical. So where would you find the extra female parts for all the necessary transitions?

>>11758747
So every transgirl on the lower end of medical viability gets refused transition? And her age will go up, so she'll be pushed further and further down the ladder as a candidate for transition.
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>>11758824
Why are you assuming we're stealing organs from healthy cis women you fucking weirdo?
Uterus transplants would either be from dead organ donors or from post-menopause women donating them to their younger relatives.
God TERFs are fucking insane, they really think we're gonna have some dystopia where TERFs get their organs harvested so MtFs can steal them?
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>>11758824
>So every transgirl on the lower end of medical viability gets refused transition? And her age will go up, so she'll be pushed further and further down the ladder as a candidate for transition.
Until we can grow them in vitro, it's the only humane answer.

You have to understand, that takes me out of the equation ~first~, because I'm too old to benefit from it. I'm coming from a place of humanism - most gain and least suffering. That's the nature of any medical procedure, unfortunately. Maturity is understanding that and bearing it, content in knowing that others won't go through the same fat.
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>>11758626
Do you just have no idea how organ donation works? A person signs up to be one, so if they are mortally wounded in an accident or have a terminal disease, the undamaged organs are harvested and made available for those who need new ones at the time of death. It's just like any organ. It's like all logic goes out the window when a transperson becomes involved
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>>11757367
Based
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>>11758839
>we're stealing organs from healthy cis women
>we're gonna have some dystopia where TERFs get their organs harvested so MtFs can steal them
Read >>11758626

>>11758844
That's a sad response.

>>11758851
It's called a hypothetical. Assume that since the procedure makes you entirely female, any corpse is too damaged to be viable as a donor.
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>>11758912
your hypothetical is fucking insane and wholly irrelevant
no, there is no realistic scenario in which healthy cis women are killed so trans women can have their bodies. You are batshit bonkers crazy. Fuck off and take the worms in your brain with you.
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>>11758839
Hey S K I N W A L K E R watcha doin'?
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>>11758931
stop stealing /k/ memes TERF, they're not yours
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>>11758924
I know it's not realistic, it's just a fun thought experiment of if it was possible, where would we get the bodies from and would many transgirls be left behind?
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>>11758993
>teehee it's just a fun thought experiment I don't have any ulterior motive haha lol
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>>11757298
can a male pelvis expand to carry a child?
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>>11759025
Relaxin is a hormone that causes the ligaments in the hips to loosen and is produced in large amounts during pregnancy, so yes, it will expand during pregnancy
However, this doesn't matter, because a transplanted womb can't handle the stress of a vaginal birth. All womb transplant births are c-sections, regardless of whether it's a trans or cis woman.
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>>11759025
no
>>11759049
bones do not move after puberty
>>11758798
>>a functioning uterus requires a real vagina
>lol what? no it doesn't retard
>>and a female endocrine system
oh really.
>births from uterus transplants have already been done to cis women without their own natural ovaries
lol you are a fantasist. Your ideas are things that don't exist. Men can't have uteri or give birth, fake vagina or not.

Males can'r undergo this transplant process.
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Considering how stupid and ugly a lot of mtfs are I hope this never happens. Nature is cleaning up the gene pool and that shouldn't be changed.
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>>11758306
>biological woman
>can't have babies
Are you retarded? If you can't reproduce, you're not a "biological" anything.
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>>11758781
>a functioning uterus requires a real vagina
... why would it?
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>>11759107
>bones do not move after puberty
You realize the pelvis is not a solid sheet of bone, right? This same thing literally happens to pregnant cis women
Read up about relaxin
>lol you are a fantasist
It's not my fault you're a retard and haven't read the studies on pregnancy transplants or even basic facts about pregnancy even for cis women
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>>11759198
>studies on pregnancy *for uterus* transplants
fixed
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>>11759152
For excretory purposes
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>>11759107
>bones do not move after puberty

Cis women's hip bones literally widen during every menstrual cycle to allow blood to flow more easily.
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>>11759253
>Cis women's hip bones

what are you failing to understand, hon?
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>>11759198
>literally happens to pregnant cis women
find the magic word, hon.
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>>11759270
>>11759278
Do you understand how hormones affect bodily function and gene expression?
Males have relaxin receptors too and will react the same way.
You're not btfoing anyone, you're just proving yourself to be a retard who doesn't know anything
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>>11759278
>>11759270
lol it's crazy how religious TERFs are.
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That sounds fantastic, and I'd love it if ovary transplants were possible too so trans women could go drug-free. But hasn't everyone who's attempted this died?
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>>11759335
there hasn't been an attempt at an MtF womb transplant since the 1930s.
There have been many successful pregnancies and c-section births to cis women receiving uterus transplants in recent years. It should theoretically be possible for MtFs as well but has not been allowed for supposed ethical reasons.
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>>11757299
These people don't seem to realize you can do two things at once.
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>>11758404
Vaginoplasties weren't invented for mtfs.
Considering that no mtf has ever been the recipient of a donor egg, then how could donor eggs possibly even be a thing, hmm? And eventually we'll be able to make eggs from our own cells.
>>11758437
Where does any transplant come from? Unless you want to stop all organ transplantation you have nothing to complain about.
Eventually we'll be able to grow these things from our own cells.
>>11758700
>The majority of the world's population are in 3rd world countries. In those countries, the concept of being trangender/gay/ not straight is, to them, so... alien.
What world do you live in? The third world is full of trannies, gays, and lesbians. They know all about this shit. More than you do apparently.
>>11758781
You need to hit the books hard anon. You really don't understand this stuff.
>>11758824
>where would you find the extra female parts
The same way the organ shortage will ultimately be solved - by growing organs from your own cells.
And anyway if say an mtf's menopausal mother or aunt freely offers to donate her uterus, what's the harm?
>>11759025
Early transitioners will have an advantage. But the pelvis changes under the influence of estradiol to a certain extent too - the angles change to create more room. In cis women there's more room during the fertile years. After menopause pelvic space shrinks.
But like the other anon says it's all going to be c-section births.
>>11759270
You fail to understand that male and female aren't as different and separate as you want them to be. We're all human. And XY individuals have a complete human genome.
>>11759335
I think transplanting ovaries from another person is a really bad idea because of the rejection issues. You're better off taking hormone pills than you are taking antirejection pills.
Artificial ovaries are being worked on. If you can make them from your own cells that's a better way to go.
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>>11759437
>transgender identified males will never, ever, ever give birth
Nice slur you threw in, but it will happen. It's only a matter of time and technology.
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>>11759565
Why are you so mean and shitty? What made you hate an entire group of people so fiercely and passionately? What have I done to you?
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>>11759604
I'm not attracted to women...
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Nobody seems to realize how these things actually work.

Even for cis women, the transplanted uterus doesn't stay. It's single use. You get pregnant while you're immumosupressed so your body doesn't kill the uterus, you deliver the child, and then the uterus gets taken out.

This would only be for transwomen who wanted to give birth to their ksn children and would never be a general method for SRS.
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>>11759630
What a fucking waste lmao
Breeders are mentally ill
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>>11759654
Wow you're completely bonkers. I'm sorry that whatever happened to you to make you this way happened. I wish there was something I could do to help you heal whatever is hurting you.
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>>11759416
You know the same money can't pay for two different things, right?

That article is from the UK, with socialist healthcare.
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>>11759701
How many brain cells were sacrificed to make this post?
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>>11759512
>The third world is full of trannies, gays, and lesbians
And we get threated like shit and killed all the time. What world do YOU live in?
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>>11759731
How does the government pay for roads and the military? The same money can't pay for two different things!
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>>11759738
I know that things are bad there. But the person I was replying to seemed to think that LGBT didn't even exist outside the first world. It's the meme of LGBT being strictly a first world problem. But it's a universal experience no matter how bad it is.
I'd like us all to be safe and free to live our lives.
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>>11759701
Great rebuttal
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>>11759253
Citation needed
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>>11759781
?

Funding for both those things gets heavily debated. It's perfectly legitimate to say "If we spend $_ less on the military, we could do _ more for infrastructure with that money." And no, "you can do two things at once" doesn't magically create the funding for both.
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>>11759926
Not them but here's a recent study on hip changes over a woman's lifespan:
https://www.pnas.org/content/113/19/5227.full
>. Results show that, until puberty, female and male pelves exhibit only moderate sexual dimorphism and follow largely similar developmental trajectories. With the onset of puberty, however, the female trajectory diverges substantially from the common course, resulting in rapid expansion of obstetrically relevant pelvic dimensions up to the age of 25–30 y. From 40 y onward females resume a mode of pelvic development similar to males, resulting in significant reduction of obstetric dimensions. This complex developmental trajectory is likely linked to the pubertal rise and premenopausal fall of estradiol levels and results in the obstetrically most adequate pelvic morphology during the time of maximum female fertility.
Seems like mtfs on estradiol should be able to get similar hip changes.
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>>11760628
I am now full of hope
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I see no problem with this, I hope it does happen one day.
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>>11757298
As good as the implications are, even if I could have kids, even if I magically became biologically female, I wouldn't have kids. As pessimistic as is sounds, I care too much about my hypothetical kids that I don't want to leave them in this shit hole world. Considering how many issues that exist currently, I wouldn't want to leave my kids to deal with whatever problem 21XX holds. I may end up adopting, since I don't mind being a parent for kids who are already along for the ride and give them a good life (I'm basically financially secure for the future).
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>>11757298
This is disgusting.

The more stuff like this is published, the more I tend to go the way of advocating for genocide against these people. I was tolerant, but this goes too far.

Time to stop.
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How does the plumbing match up?
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>>11762404
Why is it disgusting
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>>11762531
Because opinions
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>>11762404
One word.

Why?
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The endgame of all trannies is to become scar-ridden Frankenstein's monsters, their bodies mutilated by surgery and their mind obliterated by hormones.
And they have the sheer audacity to wonder why everybody hates them.
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>transition
>get transplant
>have baby
>ask who the egg is from
>they say something about a designer baby company
>9 months later
>my beautiful baby boy is born
>scratch the beautiful part out
>baby is pic rel
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>wait 10 years
>get cloned uterus with my DNA
>use advances in science to use my trans gfs dna and my dna to create a zygote
>give birth while a horde of TERFS scream in rage outside the hospital
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>>11762559
So...every human's mind is obliterated by hormones? And every tranny has surgery?
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>>11762587
You'll be dead in 10 years by your own hand you ugly tranny freak
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>>11762589
well, what constitutes a tranny
is it a man who dresses up as a woman or a man who cuts his dick off
note: trannies are not women, and never will be, nd
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>>11762594
>I know nothing but what I want to believe
Sucks to be a judgemental idiot just as the world is opening up, doesn't it senpai?

Oh well.
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>>11762604
the only thing that's opening up is tranny's heads after they shoot themselves lol
practice your voice some more
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>>11762531
>>11762558
Skeletal structure is different between man and women
Babies are nurtured by the body of the woman, all that hormonal fuckup and genetics are gonna make the kid turn into a disease ridden piece of cells, much more prone to genetical diseases.
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>>11762622
Joke's on you, my voice never dropped thanks to years and years of running female characters in D&D tabletop and this little thing called androgen insensitivity.

It's okay anon, most of us don't want you to touch it anyway. I know it calls to you in your dreams, but we're really not that way. No girlpickle for you, you repressing chaser.
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>>11762632
Babies are usually nurtured by the body of Gerber, what kind of fucked up Mormon community did you grow up in? I mean don't get me wrong, I got nothing at all against breastfeeding (which, incidentally, we can do perfectly well if we induce lactation), but you'd have to be an idiot to think that most women nowadays breastfeed.
>hormonal fuckup
You're so cute anon. You literally have no idea what you're jabbering about, but you're just POSITIVE your opinion is important.

You're a middle class white boi, aren't you?
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>>11762637
Trannies are like fucking vampires holy shit
disgusting, cut your wrists now please
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>>11762702
I'm Lustat, Lestat's little sister. Flee, cur!
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>>11762710
what are you talking about you schizo freak
you're not a sister by the way you're a man
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>>11757298
haha bruh i'll just have plastic surgery on my face (always works out perfectly even for millionaire celebrities) and have a womb implanted in me, costing the British taxpayer £100,000+ in counselling and surgery THEN I'll be a happy, true and honest woman
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>>11762839
Mmmm, i love whiny witch salt in the morning, goes good with mah croissanwich. =)
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My opposition to trans shit has always been
a) cost
b) poor cosmetic results
c) lack of function

If mad scientists can fix 2/3, cool.



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