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Ash Clone Edition
Old: >>42577804
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first. 14.5 pinned and welded is not ideal
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We should all just build the exact rifles wuggy wants us to build.
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>>42584365
>>42584382
>smells like samefag
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>>42584342
New SCAR 17S. Any advice on what to put on it? Thinking ACOG
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>>42584395
Big cog
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>>42584382

Who listens to anything he says?
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>>42584395

S&B Short-Dot on Badger one piece.
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红点瞄准器
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>>42584391
>he cant match the reply number to the number of posters when there's only 3 posts in a thread
Hopeless brainlet
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>>42584395
What barrel length?
Acog would be cool for a 13.5/14.5"

>>42582716
>Field of view through the optic
For an actual magnified optic sure, but we're talking red dots. Arguably optics like the PRO and Eotech have MORE cross sectional area blocking FOV than micros.
>Battery life doesn't matter because I'm going to replace the batteries anyway
Go ahead and move the goalposts
>It was never a problem
I was just zeroing an Aimpoint PRO and a Holosun HS503GU literally this past Sunday. You know which had finer brightness adjustment gradations that allowed for a more precise zero in my lighting conditions? The fucking chinese red dot.

>>42582717
Good bait. Bad post

>>42582728
Build plans?

>>42582751
>Won't snag on optic
>Optic literally 100 times the volume of bad lever
>Sling snags on optic all the time
If I could have a spherical cow gun, I would take it.

>>42582913
>only true issue
>Ignoring thermal shift
>Ignoring weight
>Ignoring the stupid fucking reticule
>great option
Hardly

>>42582993
Compared to a micro red dot with shake awake or solar, yes the PRO battery life is inferior.

>>42583080
Damn that eotech looks like something else. Vertical image is wack. Rifle is a cluster.

>>42583147
I had one of their red dots for a minute. PA MD ADS. Fine dot, but for the money these days just get a Holosun. HS503G, HS503GU, HE503R, etc.

>>42583231
I've got a SD3G from Geissele and it is light as hell. Actually looking to sell it currently, asking $175 shipped.
precisionphilosophy@gmail.com

As far as optics go, you can make red dots work just fine. Just buy a quality red dot, turn the brightness down, focus through the dot onto the target, not on the dot itself, and wear your glasses.

>>42584382
No you should build whatever rifle is objectively optimized for your POU and budget.
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>>42584427
I just bought 10 Okay grey magazines.
Did I do good?
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>>42584427
It is bait but I still think its true which is why I won't get 14.5. Frankly I don't see that big of a difference.
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>>42584427
>Pic Related

Upgraded to the geissele trigger already. 16" barrel.
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>>42584427
>EOTech
I did mention the size. Which includes the weight. All optics experience thermal drift because metal + temperature fluctuations. Newer Eotechs are sealed better and on par or better than aimpoint at that point.
Personally, I like the reticle. I find it to be more precise than the dot of an aimpoint. I like aimpoints too, but I enjoy my EOTech. You don’t have to like them, but simply saying they’re bad because you don’t like them is dishonest and misleading.
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>>42584427
>Build plans?
Discord
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>>42584441
Hell yeah
I've got 20 Okay's and they're very solid.

>>42584455
Luckily it is more of a difference in feel than what you can see. I did a sort of tongue in cheek calculation a while back comparing how much "faster" a 14.5" ELW profile barrel is for target transitioning than a 16" gov. profile. It is in the archive. Quantitatively the shorter modern profile barrel was significantly faster to point.

>>42584457
Nice picture. Nice guns. If I had a 16" 17S I would chop it to ~13.5"-14.5" or w.e was the minimum such that a pinned and welded suppressor mount brought it up to 16", and then out of the currently available options I would run either a Vortex Razor Gen II E 1-6x, Kahles 1-6x, or S&B Dual CC 1-8x with a nice mount budget depending as a heavy battlerifle to light DMR build.

On a 16" you might seriously consider just making it a genuine DMR and running a 2.5-10x Nightforce with potentially an offset/piggybacked RMR or micro red dot.

17S are not known for their precision so IMO some big chonker 3-15/3-18 or 4-16 or larger scope is a poor call. They simply don't SASS/heavy DMR well.

They're arguably the ultimate 308 battle rifle, so chop that sucker then rock a LPVO or an Acog with a red dot.
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>>42584441
yes, you did.
as i always say, okay industries surefeed dry film lube or go fuck yourself
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>>42584559
I asked about putting a 14.5" but the LGS said they would have to SBR it. I'll get a second opinion.

They did talk about the DMR and I thought about the 20" but I figured there are way better dedicated platforms than the SCAR for that. Which is why I figured a dedicated 50 - 250 yard engagement distance with ACOG and red dot would be best. The shop said to be careful about optics as apparently the 17S can ruin anything that's not quality. But that sounded like upsell FUD to me.

I really want to avoid anything that's scoped as I dont want to bench it.
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>>42584559
Ill dm you the upper I bought. /arg/ cant see it yet.
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>>42584627
on discord.
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>>42584607
Find a less gay sun store. All they need to do is chop it down, thread, and pin and weld. It’s not rocket science.
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>>42584559
I would wager that is largely due to the ELW, which I bought. Do I agree it would still make a difference though if both were ELW? Yeah, but not as much as your current results for sure.

Government profile seems pretty stupid, although I wonder how much of it is because the gas block/tube supports the rear half whereas the front half has no support and therefore is thicker. What do you think about that?
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>>42584482
>>42584482
>Size includes weight
Density truly is a difficult concept
>All experience thermal drift
There are youtube tests showing that fucking Holosun beats both Aimpoint and Eotech thermal drift by like 75%
>Newer Eotechs are sealed and on par
Post source? Because both me and a buddy bought brand new Eotechs in 2017/2018 and they come with the fabled Eocuck card saying that Eotech optics STILL have 3.5" of possible thermal drift at 100 yards, and that they're not liable for any thermal drift performance claims.
>I like the reticule
The 1 MOA center dot is nice, but IME the donut itself is distracting. Holosun has essentially the same reticule option.
>saying they're bad because you don't like them
No I don't like them because as far as I can tell their are quantitative measurements of their performance than when compared to competitor optics show that Eotechs are simply not very good, and cost a good bit of money. Here is the basic run down:
EXPS 3-0
>$550
>12oz
>500 hours battery life
>Up to 3.5" thermal shift at 100 yards
>26 cubic inches volume

Holosun HS503GU
>$225 with good mount
>4.5oz with good mount
>50,000 hours battery life
>2" thermal drift
>10 cubic inches volume

Not to mention all the qualitative ways the Holosun beats it like switchable reticule, reduction in "tunnel vision" effect, and not patronizing a company that had to settle with the US government for not upholding the military specifications of the products they were delivering to be used in the hands of servicemen harms way?

>>42584539
>>42584627
Email please

>>42584607
>I asked about putting a 14.5" but the LGS said they would have to SBR it.
Bhahaha LGS is a bunch of retards. Don't go to them any more. Seriously that is fucking sad that an LGS, a company that makes their existence in firearms, isn't aware of pinning and welding a 14.5"
>20S
The 20S is pretty fucking sick but better suited for a genuine SASS than a DMR.
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thinking about those colts, also thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUaHns_4bKI
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>>42584427
>non socom m4 clone

barf, not even close.
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>>42584570
okay commerical mags have problems, buy genuine G.I mags ONLY
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>>42584665
trip on goat fucker
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>>42584400
wuggy JR did. thats why hes the only rifle that wuggy praises.
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>>42584654
>Email please
sent
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>>42584648
Well I honestly went in there for either an AUG or KAC SR-15 11.5" Pistol. They originally tried to sell me $10K worth of NVG and suppressors for my MP5s lol.

>>42584654
What the going rate on 14.5" barrels? Normally I do my own research but all online resources about the SCAR are circle jerks over whether or not navy seals like them
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>>42584627
>>42584633

I'm happy you post here again dude, honestly fren.
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>>42584559
Nice to finally see yours.
I'll get that straight trigger guard on there some day
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>>42584665
i started to seek the colt pill a couple of weeks back. been casually looking around. now that’s a lower *sip*
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>>42584685
>What the going rate on 14.5" barrels?
About 5+ concussions. 14.5 is retarded. Either go 16 so you don't have to deal with retarded shit like muzzle device length and pin and weld jobs or just fucking man up and go SBR.

Our resident happa mall ninja thinks taking the equivalent of a tip segment of a thumb off a barrel it suddenly unlocks roomer clear and door kicker perks. It really fucking doesn't and you would be better served by taking 4-5 inches off a 16 inch barrel instead.
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>>42584654
>source
Most of it is hearsay. Frankly I don’t care if it’s true or not, but I’ve heard of it being very difficult to replicate the extreme thermal drift with optics purchased post 2017. Yeah they have the cuck card, but still.
You are not going to get me to buy a chink optic lmao. I don’t care how ‘good’ it is. I hate the bug people.
I’ve seen Eotechs take a whole hell of a lot of abuse. I’ve seen them get blown up and ran over and still keep chugging. I think a lot of the hate comes down to people not understanding the difference between a red dot and a holographic, all the while expecting these things to be able to survive on the surface of the sun. If it’s not your thing, get something else. But aimpoints, Eotechs, and even the god awful mro are battle proven and dependable. Beyond that, it all comes down to preferences.
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>>42584607
>I really want to avoid anything that's scoped as I dont want to bench it.
Fair and I like where your head is at, but even a 14.5" 308 can stretch its legs out to 700m, and so restricting yourself to 4x magnification at maximum isn't a good call. I get flak from the board elitists for this recommendation but for the money a Razor Gen II E 1-6x in a Scalarworks mount is a pretty great call for a 14.5" BR 308
The 1x on them is VERY good, and this is widely accepted. I've never shot one, but I did some indoor larperating with one on 1x and it is pretty amazing. The 6x will allow you to really make the most of the .308
Settling for 4x is kinda eh IMO.

>>42584650
>Do I agree it would still make a difference though if both were ELW? Yeah, but not as much as your current results for sure.
This is entirely logical and true.
My argument is that moment of rotational inertia goes with the square of the length of the moment arm. You get an entirely nonlinear effect by shortening things up. Not to mention things like car doors, door frames, and suppressors. Shorter is better, ballistics held constant.
>What do you think about that
I think Gov. profile is fucking retarded and from what I understand it was developed under entirely false premises.

>>42584654
>>42584482
I retract my statement about 75%
Holosun has around half the thermal drift and Aimpoint has around 3/4

>>42584717
You should hurry up on it, I heard they're going to get a bit more rare shortly.

>>42584696
Thanks man, I'm REALLY digging it. After so many builds it feels kinda good just having a factory gun. I want to get the front sling mount like you have, but they're expensive. I also gotta get an ambi selector. F1 and barrel chop are coming up. Also need to decide on a light and light mount. I'm toying with the idea of a BAD lever. Not clone correct, but it would add a feature that I value greatly. Oh and new trigger. Mil spec sucks. I need to get a sling too.
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Gotta chop the barrel on the clone upper to make it a true clone.
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>>42584764
>6x
>make the most of .308
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>>42584764
Do you know what those premises were per chance?
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>>42584764
Also good point about non linear effect. That makes a lot of sense, especially because the velocity increase from what I have seen is "sort of" linear.

But I got the 16 inch elw bfh with 15 inch mcmr for $580 on sale, so I'm a happy camper anyway lol.
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>>42584685
>going rate
I'm not sure but I've had good experience with ADCO chopping a barrel. ADCO, PMM, I think Rainier all can do the chop.

>>42584742
>Suggesting an 11" 308
Yes you're clearly the intelligent one here.

>>42584745
>I don't care how 'good' it is. I hate bug people
>simply saying they’re bad because you don’t like them is dishonest and misleading.
The irony
>battle proven
Ah yes, this is why SR25s cost $4500, they're battle proven
>difference between
I forget the actual numbers but while the parallax shift on the Eotech is statistically zero, the parallax shift on new Aimpoints like the T2 is right up there with the Eotech.

>>42584807
Better than a 4x?

>>42584814
Sorry I don't follow.

>>42584834
>sort of linear
Very close to linear between 11.5"-18"
That is why we always advocate jumping from 10.3-10.5" up to 11.5"
>16 inch elw BFH mcmr
You've got a good upper regardless. What optic setup? I want to do a 16" SPR eventually with some sort of scope.
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>>42584849
You see email? Im probably going to chop barrel to 10.3
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>>42584764
>I want to get the front sling mount like you have, but they're expensive. I also gotta get an ambi selector. F1 and barrel chop are coming up.
Making it a non-rifle upper? Have you considered selling it and buying an upper like mine for only $600? That's what I paid.
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>>42584860
That is a bad call since AFAIK Commandos from that era were 11.5" from the factory and rarely was anyone chopping them, AND functionally that will be worse, AND it will cost you money that could be better spent on other things.

>>42584863
Yeah I was going to chop to 10.3" for CQBR clone purposes. What exactly are you proposing doing? Selling it and buying an M4 SOCOM upper in 14.5"?
That could be cool but I'm not really interested in doing a 14.5" right now since I've already got one.
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>>42584878
>That is a bad call since AFAIK Commandos from that era were 11.5"
its 11.5 right now.
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SCAR17S or high end SR25/AR-10 for .308 battle rifle?
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>>42584887
Yes
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ISO Geissele BGRF trigger

>>42584887
>battle rifle
100% 17s
Lighter, more reliable

>>42584881
Leave it.
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>>42584849
>don't follow
You said the gov profile was based on false premises. I am wondering what those might have been if you know.

>optic setup
I bought a holosun 510c a while ago as I currently have a similar upper from aero with atlas r one rail and ballistic advantage barrel, but you guys got to me over time and I finally made the choice to upgrade when the price is right.

I think it is a quality optic so I don't really plan on getting an aimpoint or anything. I would consider getting a magnifier for it but I cant decide which one to get and I also don't have an urgent need as I live in a pretty close range place.

I had originally considered a LPVO but I did not like the idea of dealing with eye relief vs none with red dot, I did not like the shorter battery life, and I did not like most of the reticles on the ones I looked at.
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>>42584878
>Selling it and buying an M4 SOCOM upper in 14.5"
You could break even and get the sling mount.
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Whats the consensus on groups /Arg/. Three, five or ten shots?
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>>42584927
I'm kind of retarded, but I like 8 shot groups,and excluding 1 flyer.
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>>42584909
>Leave it.
Still swapping the optic to something else.
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>>42584925
>false premises
Oh lol. So I read that back before the profile was developed the military was dropping "tolerance rods" (not to be confused with unjamming rods, or cleaning rods for that matter) down the bores of rifles. The rods were getting hung up on small burrs by the gas port (leftover from the drilling of the gas port), but they thought that the rods were actually getting hung up on "bends" in the barrel right by the front side base/gas port/bayonet lug due to the barrels being bent during bayonet use. The solution was to thicken the area right after the bayonet lug (gas port and front sight block).
This is just what I've read. Fucking retarded.

Congrats on the nice upper.

>>42584926
Yeah fair, but I want to chop eventually. I'm hunting for the sling mount used on arf and tac. We'll see.

>>42584927
Average of four 5-shot groups. IE, a box of 20 rounds of ammo.

>>42584961
>Swapping the optic to something else
Also a bad call. He did a good job with that build getting as optimized a function as possible while working within "clone" parameters. Honestly the best thing you can do is just take better pictures of the thing.
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>>42584927
I like fives. I zero from the bench or prone with a 10 round mag so it keeps things easy.
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>>42584977
>congrats

Thanks cant wait to get it lol, Primary arms takes longer to ship clearly than BCM.
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>>42584977
>Also a bad call. He did a good job with that build getting as optimized a function as possible while working within "clone" parameters. Honestly the best thing you can do is just take better pictures of the thing.
gotta pick up a brace first.
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>>42584654
>email please

fatasfuck@mcdonalds.com
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>>42585032
Wgws has my email already.
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>>42584849
>Suggesting an 11" 308
You've been hit in the head too many times because that's not what we're talking about. Do we really need to ramp up the bully again until your faggot ass knows your place?
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>>42585002
>takes longer to ship
I've had good experiences with them in the past for several orders, but I just ordered an A1 lower from them a couple weeks back and it took them almost two fucking weeks just to call my FFL and be like "hey can we send this lower your way", even though they already had the FFL on file. Fucking annoying.

>>42585007
Troll tacswap for an SBA4, or I've seen them brand new with buffer tube for like $95 before off of gundeals. What lower?

>>42585032
>quality non shitpost post please

>>42585056
>not what we're talking about
>you would be better served by taking 4-5 inches off a 16 inch barrel instead.
No, that is clearly what you were talking about.
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>>42585068
>What lower
Anderson
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10.5" 5.56 ar pistol or 8" .300 blackout ar pistol?
Also, a2 front sight on the 10.5" yay or nay?
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>>42585056
He was talking about a scar pretty sure.
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Just picked up my first AR. Was wondering how deep you all stack mags, and if there is a particular mag that holds up well to being stored loaded?
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>>42585117
Use wears a mag not letting one be loaded. Just load em and they'll be fine. Pmags are cheap at Palmetto with the coupon Pmag I think unless it's expired.
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>>42585134
That makes sense. Cycling a spring is more wear than leaving it compressed.

I'll check out those mags. Picked up a ten pack of pmags with the new rifle but would like to have more to go with the dozens of Garand clips taking up space in my gun room.
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>>42585117
I cruised around afghanistan with the same USGI mags (tan followers) in various states of loaded and unloaded, but mostly full, for a year and never had any issues with em, even using the same ones back stateside a year or two later.

that said, I keep about 40 30rd mags around, mostly Magpul gen 2s cause they're cheap. my current loadout is 7 Lancers that I keep loaded all the time. Got 6 or so magpul gen 3s kicking around and those same USGI mags sitting around too.
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>>42585117
Supposedly metal mags are better for leaving loaded because plastic feed lips can warp under the pressure. I have 100% not found that to be the case and have left mags loaded for multiple years without issue.

The correct amount of mags to have is all of them.
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>>42585172
Lotta modern aluminum mags use magpul followers don't they? But without the stronger polymer body
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>>42585172
Technically you're supposed to use the dust cover when keeping pmags loaded in storage
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>>42585198
Ain't nobody got time for that
>>42585184
yes, the follower isn't the issue. Feed lips are the top bit of the magazine
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>>42585068
It amazes me how confident you are in your stupidity.
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>>42585172
>correct number of mags is all of them

Sounds like a plan.

>>42585166
I guess that raises another question, if you don't mind me asking. What's the most reliable mag y'all know of?
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>>42584909
How do you like the acog/t2 offset set up?

I am strongly considering getting an acog and need to do something with my t2 besides have it sit on the shelf.
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>>42585206
Sorry I'm retarded and misread. Been up since 5.
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what's wrong with 16" barrels?
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>>42585244
Only thing wrong with them is if they have a FSB and are carbine length.
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Buy my MARS L lower. MBT installed. $800
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>>42585244
Nothing, but once you buy a 14.5 they look retarded. It never bothered me until I got a 14.5.
>>42585237
It's ok, we're all retarded
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>>42585228
I really, really like the Lancers. They're a bit pricy but take a beating really well. Magpul feed lips can crack if you drop them while loaded, and the baseplate is notably weaker than Lancers. I've seen all sorts of mags break under torture tests though. They're not designed to be indestructible, which is why you buy em cheap and stack em deep. You can score M2 pmags for under $9 a pop right now.
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>>42585299
Gross
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>>42585299
Its amazing, you managed to fit literally every retard in a pair of channels
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Anyone got a link to the discord....?
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>>42585315
its amazing you managed to fit your dick inside Emmy's asshole
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>>42585299
Legit how can anyone honestly join a discord for guns? Like one retard and the whole channel is closed and everyone flagged and sent to the feds. The fbi are already openly investigating the platform
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>>42585318
Come up with fresh bantz anon
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>>42585326
Also little note even if you delete a post or edit it admins and mods can see it still and even what it was pre edit.

t. former discord fag for game channels
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>>42585315
What is really amazing Is no one kicked your Gay ass for being such a Bitch
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>>42585070
Buy another lower
PSA M4 one is like $50

>>42585080
11.5" 5.56
9" 300blk
>fixed front sight
Only if it is a clone.

>>42585117
>how deep
The more the merrier.

>>42585236
It works just fine. I want to compare it to running an RMR piggybacked because I'll be real the "aesthetics" of the setup are tiring on me, but functionally I really can't complain much.
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>>42585406
What would you do if someone snipped your acog cable at a meet?
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kac is inferior
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>>42585430
Noveske hasn't been good since John died, faggot.
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>>42585406
>PSA M4 one is like $50
Meh Anderson lowers are fine. I'm probably going to sbr an Anderson for the build.
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getting a bcm upper should i get a charging handle or no? if so which one?
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>>42585514
>Meh Anderson lowers are fine
They are when they're in spec. You're significantly lowering your risks of it not being with just bump up to PSA stripped lowers.
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>>42585521
bcm mod 4
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>>42585585
New BCM CH is meh. Vltor is selling the old ones under their name now.
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>>42585443
Jon*
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>>42585584
>You're significantly lowering your risks of it not being with just bump up to PSA stripped lowers.
Not really, I lower the risk by buying in person
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anyone here use xtm magpul rail covers?
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>>42585676
you're a fucking idiot.
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>>42585633
nice ash clone
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Recommend me an optic for my first AR308 build /arg/, right now I'm considering the Vortex Viper PST Gen II in either 1-6x24 or 2-10x32
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>>42585950
An Elcan would be just as retarded of a choice but cooler
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>>42585950
Ive got the 4-14x Diamondback tactical sitting on a lr-308 right now. Drops and wind holds for days.
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>>42585810
I've been summoned
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>>42584365
Yes it is, just stop shooting shitty tula ammo.
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>>42585976
>MBUS Pros
>BCM upper with CHF CL ELW barrel
>gucci rail covers
>Aero lower
This rifle blows Ash's out of the water.

>>42585950
Barrel length? POU?

>>42585729
Just go with ladders. The XTM ones are pretty reddit/2007 tier these days.

>>42585514
I highly doubt you're SBRing shit unless we are talking like 2 years. Just being honest. I would love to be proven wrong.
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>>42586071
I like the xtm hand stop on them anon

also why are you building your rifle to impress people on a mongolian weave board?
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>>42584427
>Sling snags on optic all the time

Learn how to stow it when its not in use. How the fuck is any optic at all not going to snag it anyway.

>Ignoring thermal shift
>Ignoring weight
>Ignoring the stupid fucking reticule

Its 2016 and they want their argument against Eotechs back. They fixed the thermal shift. Not like I fucking go to Antarctica anyway.

Only an Autist would hate that reticle, and I could care less about the weight because I am going to put it on an SBR.
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>>42586071
Barrel length 18.6" (it's the minimum up here in Canada to be able to take guns innawoods)
POU durr hunting and punching paper/steel out to 200 yards, further - hopefully up to 500 - if I ever find a range with a longer one or a nice spot innawoods
>>42585957
>>42585969
If Vortex optics aren't great, any reccs in a similar price range? Right now my build is coming out to around USD$1700 after sales taxes before optic
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>>42586071
I do my best to impress
my goofy shoes, however, do not
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>>42586135
>1-6x on an 18" 308
Hell naw. At the least the Viper PST Gen II 2-10x32, but in your price range you should also consider these:

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-3-15x42-tactical-rifle-scope-3.html?___SID=U

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-3-9x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope.html?___SID=U

Since you're hunting illuminated might be useful, so also consider the Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40mm and the Trijicon Accupower 3-9x40mm
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>>42586230
Neat, thanks for the reccs. Sadly we can't get SWFA optics up here, but I'll keep the Trijicon and Leupold in mind.
Another n00b question: isn't it awkward making close-range shots with the minimum magnification of 2x or 3x on these? Admittedly I've only ever shot with irons so I'm new to scopes.
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>>42586071
>like 2 years
Are you saying it's going to take me 2 years to save $200 for a stamp?
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Post rare O L T S
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fuck
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Looking to get this as my upper. Going with a BCM lower as well.

https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-w-BCM-p/bcm-urg-mid-16-bfh-mcmr-13.htm

It comes with a compensator but I’m wondering if I should get something else for it to switch out, especially in the case I get a suppressor. Any other recommendations?
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>>42586385
The one that matches your suppressor. Dork.
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>>42586230
I got the revolution DI today
It's super cool
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The best AR is already solved, there is no need for debate anymore
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>>42586384

What site is that?
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>>42586511
please post it
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my ars.
right is a piece of shit PSA rangetoy with a binary trigger in it. it's a lot of fun and friends who have only ever shot semiauto like it.
left larue obr 5.56
debating saving up for a night vision setup (gen3 pvs14 and prolly a Steiner IR laser/illuminator) to put on the LaRue - even though i have nowhere to shoot at night right now - or getting another rifle in another caliber (308 most likely)
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>>42586517
the secret one that sells all the impossible to find kac cans
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uhhh so a few weeks ago I got really drunk. Like blackout drunk, sitting at my computer. I remember red bull and vodka being involved.

Anyways, today this fuckhuge box showed up. Inside was 100 d&h aluminum mags. According to the invoice I got them for $7 per mag and also they have a BCM floorplate.

How badly did I fuck up? is D&H any good? I sure hope so because I'm running out of room to store these.
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>>42586561
why do you need so many magazines?
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Are there downsides to applying for a suppressor stamp (besides having to pay 200 bucks and wait half a year)? I.e. do you have to register your gun or in any other way compromise yourself?
Also, how much does a decent .223 suppressor cost?
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>>42586569
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED I KNOW MY RIGHTS FUCKING ASSCOP 1776 REMOVE DONUT FROM THE PREMESIS
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>>42586561
they're solid mags, and that's not a bad deal on em. i almost scored one of those big boxes on the right full of brand new in plastic EPMs a few years ago for free. wish my wheelin and dealin skills were as sharp then as they are now.
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>>42586575
>register your gun
No, but they kinda know you have one after you go ahead and register your suppressor, so if you're worried about them coming to take your guns, it will move you to the top of their list, count on it.
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Do I buy assembled LMTs or piece together some LMT shit
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>>42586581
I don't think you would even need 100 magazines in a collapse scenario anon
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>>42586575
>wait half a year
it's a full year right now and still going strong
>do you have to register your gun
no
>Also, how much does a decent .223 suppressor cost?
$600+ before stamp
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>>42586589
Wait for them to have a major sale and buy a complete upper. Buy lower whenever
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>>42586561
I own like 15 D&H mags. I haven't abused them very much but so far they've been good to go. I like them better than Pmags and will probably buy another 10
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>>42586588
>>42586596
well, sounds like I won't be getting a can any time soon. Shame.
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>>42586561
$700 on palmetto state armory mags is just a drop in the bucket to what you'll get charged on your now stolen credit card info.
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>>42586349
Yeah consider the Trijicon and Leupold 3-9x because they will be like half the price of the Vortex.
>isn't it awkward
It isn't ideal, and is nowhere near as nice as using a red dot, but it is doable. If your 18" 308 is being used up close you've got other issues though IMO.

>>42586372
Prove otherwise.

>>42586382
Repost that with an A2 grip.

>>42586385
>16"
>Non ELW profile
That fucker is going to be heavy and swing like a brick. Go 14.5" ELW
Pin and weld A2X

>>42586505
Post pictures. How is the trigger? How is the gas adjustment? Wish it had right hand bolt hold open.

>>42586511
>Best
>Brace
>lol what trigger?
>Eotech
>kryptek
Hardly.

>>42586549
Build something short and quality. Then do night setup. Then do 308.

>>42586561
>red bull and vodka
Better have been sugar free red bull
>100 D&H mags
Not bad at all. You're not going to regret it once the panic hits.

>>42586589
Piece together some LMT shit. It ends up being cheaper, and unlike KAC they're not shitters and will actually sell just the parts.
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>>42586569
I plan on keeping nearly all of them loaded so I can shoot at infringers. But also they have a datecode so I might sell them for $80 each during the next panic.

>>42586582
>>42586599
noice, I might keep most of these then. Do they store okay loaded?
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>>42586609
i feel you anon. i'm in the same spot with buying one.
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>>42586561
Can you send me a few?
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>>42586615
i don't see why they wouldn't. That being said, keeping 100 loaded mags seems a little pointless. if it was me, I'd just have 20 mags loaded on a shelf and keep the rest in their box, tucked away in the attic for the future.
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>>42586613
What’s so bad about 16”? I doubt it would make it that much heavier.
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>>42586636
ELW IS THE MAIN THING. Gov profile is strange, why all the GIRTH up front?
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>>42586613
>Build something short and quality.
I'm hesitant to go shorter than 14.5 P&W because of the looming pistol brace ban threat. what's the lead time on SBR tax stamps right now?
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>>42586653
Oh I understand that, I’m just curious about the whole 14.5” deal going on. Is 1.5” seriously that big of a deal?
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>>42586636
Copy pasta incoming:
Analysis of BCM BFH CHF 14.5" ELW barrel vs. BCM BFH CHF 16" non ELW profile barrel:

The BCM BFH CHF ELW 14.5" is 22oz, with a profile that distributes that mass biased towards the chamber. The BCM BFH CHF 16" (non ELW) is 28oz, with a profile that biases that mass distribution towards the muzzle. For simplicity's sake in the calculation we'll approximate both barrels as having the same mass distribution (same profile), and we'll approximate this distribution as constant (constant length density even though this isn't the case). Using the typical expression for moment of inertia for a rod rotating about an axis perpendicular to the axis of the rod with the axis of rotation placed at the end of the rod ( I=(1/3)M*L^2 ), we find that the 16" barrel has 1.55 times the moment of inertia as the 14.5" barrel. This means for a given applied force at the same location along each barrel, using the basic expression (α = τ/I), alpha angular acceleration equals tau, applied torque, over I, moment of inertia, we can see that the 14.5" barrel will accelerate 1.55 times as fast. This is a 55% increase in the acceleration of the barrel, which for a goal angular displacement (shifting point of aim) corresponds to a 20% reduction in the amount of time it takes to shift our point of aim. What might have taken 1 second with the 16" barrel takes 800ms with the 14.5"

Does a 200ms decrease not sound notable? Consider that it takes a 2500m/s bullet only 20ms to travel 50m. At a close engagement (around 50m), the 200ms you shave off of your target transition with your 14.5" barrel vs. the bad guy using a 16" barrel (200ms slower) results in a situation comparable to you shooting him at 50m but him shooting you at 500m. Basically you could very well hit him with the bullet well before he could even get a shot off.

Picture related is my first AR build, 16", standard profile
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>>42586636
>>42586672
Just get the MCMR upper with the ELW barrel. It will objectively be a better rifle that way, and eventually you'll learn to appreciate the aesthetic in as much as it is an indication for your superior barrel profile, weight, balance, and overall carbine feel.
Also keep in mind what approximations I used for the analysis, most notable that the mass distribution is a) constant along the barrel length, and b) that the distribution function is the same for both barrels. This is obviously not the case since the ELW puts more mass closer to the axis of rotation while the non-ELW has almost all of the additional mass up by the muzzle (where it contributes to the moment of inertia with L^2, distance from the axis of rotation squared). This means that the results of the analysis are most certainly an UNDERESTIMATE of the true difference between the two barrels, with the error in the analysis being non-linear with the parameters.

Picture related is my 3rd build making use of a 14.5" Gunner profile (basically ELW) barrel. It was night and day.
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>>42586613
Fair point, I figure the closest I'll ever be using this gun will be 25 yards, where 2x would be alright I figure and 3x would be workable too (I have *really* bad vision)
Ignoring price for a second, what would be the "best" optic of the 3 with regards to things like image quality? I'm budgeting ~USD$750 for my optic, so I can reasonably afford any of the three.
Thanks a lot for the help so far by the way
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>>42586613
>How is the trigger?
Nice. You could definitely shoot really fast with it
I'll probably put an SSA-E in it though
>How is the gas adjustment?
seems fine
>Wish it had right hand bolt hold open
it does
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>>42586676
You didnt factor in the rest of the gun. Your maths are flawed
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>>42586676
So what would the difference be between them if the 16” was ELW?
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>>42586676
That calculation is dependent on not only the two shooters being of exactly the same build and reaction time, but also the same exact bullet weight/shape.
Someone like you will always be on the slow side because how weak you are, wuggy. 200ms isn’t going to help you win any firefights.

But don’t get me wrong. I would recommend a 14.5 barrel anyways.
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>>42586672
Here is a picture of my current, 14.5"
BCM BFH CHF ELW 14.5" barrel
It feels like a fucking wiffle ball bat, in the best of ways. Either my 7th or 8th AR build I can't recall.

>>42586667
You can get a F1 SBR done in less than 6 weeks.

>>42586708
I honestly can't say which will have the best clarity. The Viper PST Gen II is a relatively new optic. I've owned the Trijicon Accupower 3-9x40 and it was pretty clear. I've looked through Leupold VX-R Patrols before and they're also decently clear, but I can't say. Sorry, and good luck.

>>42586726
The rest of the gun would be the same between the two cases, and the rest of the gun is even further back by the pivot point so the contribution to the calculation is increasingly negligible (non linearly).

>>42586728
Less than 200ms, but more than zero.

>>42586711
>>42586711
Hot damn that really does look great. The underhung trigger guard even matches up with the underhung rail. What muzzle device are you going to run? How is the heft and balance?
>Has right hand bolt hold open
Holy shit no fucking way?
Now I'm interested in one for a battle rifle.
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>>42586672
Sorry, here is a picture

>>42586711
Fuck why no rifle 14.5" Rev DI?
They have 14.5" Rev Piston
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>>42586767
But if I get a 14.5” and pin and weld doesn’t that mean I can’t change out compensators, flash hiders, suppressors, etc?
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>>42586767
>Hot damn that really does look great
I'm not crazy about the looks of it
especially with their fucking logos and colorfill, but I think painting it green will fix most of it
What muzzle device are you going to run?
probably cherry bomb with vox s
How is the heft and balance?
it's 6lbs lol
>Now I'm interested in one for a battle rifle
yea seems like a good option
the 16" version is only 6.8lbs and is sub-MOA
super neat
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>>42586795
>can't
It goes like this. Pick a muzzle device to just use on the thing. It can be an A2 flash hider, it can be a whatever. Just decide on something half decent (don't do a fucking 4 chamber brake on a 10.3" 5.56 for example). A good idea is a conservative hybrid device, which is why honestly an A2 flash hider is a solid call. Pin and weld that.

Down the road once you have a suppressor picked out, buy it, it will come with the suppressor mounting muzzle device, then take the device and the rifle to a competent gun smith and they can remove the old device and install your new suppressor mounting device.

It isn't a truly PERMANENT pin and weld. It just takes $25-$50 and a gunsmith like 30 minutes.

>>42586806
>the looks
But the function... I'll admit objectively the spikeness is kinda spikes/cringecore tier, but the thing is light as fuck, a novel design, has great features. That is what makes it look great IMO.
>Buying anything Q
Suchka noooo Q is fucking awful. Vox S with Key Mo, now that is a good call.
>6lbs
Fuck me
>16"
>6.8lbs
Jesus they really nailed the weights.
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>>42586613
no stop
>>42586615
you are wrong
>>42586622
bitch please
>>42586626
i cant even
>>42586676
shut up
>>42586703
shut up again
>>42586767
just stop
>>42586792
you suck
>>42586845
thanks for the walls you shit dick
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Just picked up a stripped lower, probably won't be able to complete it till end of the year or after.
I know it's impossible to predict the stupidity of politicos, but if a ban with a grandfather clause goes into effect I should be good, right? If a complete ban with buyback goes into effect, would stripped lowers generally expect to qualify for full banned rifle compensation?
Also, the lower is a Spikes Tactical for $100 out the door. Decent value at that price or would I be better off trying to move it soon and going with another manufacturer in similar price range?
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>>42586896
you probably won't see a ban until after the election, so you'll be fine.
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>>42586845
>Vox S with Key Mo
I'll do that if I have any issues with the cherry bomb
I want to save length and weight that key mo adds
plus I think the cherry bomb looks really cool
>Jesus they really nailed the weights
yea they did
it came with a car buffer and I already added an H1
if I have any reliability issues, I'll mess with the buffer and spring weights
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>>42586901
Any experience/comments on Spikes lowers?
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I need a new optic for the recce
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>>42586917
they're good, and as long as you didn't get or don't mind the two fighting dicks rollmark, you're fine.
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>>42586845
I just think it's cool as shit having something similar size and lighter than an MP5 that you can shoot at/past 700m with
It's definitrly going to be my go-to hunting setup with some Barnes TSX 130/150/165gr loads

>>42586917
they definitely make good lowers but I hate the logos they have
luckily they have one with no logo
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>>42586932
This one has the Crusader shield, not the company logo. Probably wouldn't be my first choice, but it was in stock, and cheaper than online prices I could find with the in-store cash discount. I'm fine with the logo if they're generally regarded as a decent fit and quality for the price.
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>>42586931
>M16A2
>Recce
Are you kidding?

>>42586904
Ask A2 for the Qpill
Also their numbers are just not even very good. Picture related.

>>42586942
How does the right hand bolt hold open actuate? I've been drooling over an eventual ~14" 17S battle rifle with a nice 1-6x or something, but now this has my eye since the bottom line is that AR ergos are superior to SCAR ergos.

I wish you could change out the rail, or that it looked a bit less spikey
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>>42586990
>Crusader shield
good job, anon. you done alrght.
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>>42586942
>luckily they have one with no logo
Would be nice, but my other options were a pineapple or a Swiss cross, so Crusader shield it was.
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>>42587004
Wish I could (legally) use the Deus Vult option.
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>>42586995
>Are you kidding?
the pic wasnt related my dude. The recce as in my 16 inch mid length build.
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Still aways off, and need to do some research on completing my AR, but any specialist tools needed to complete the lower, besides a brass punch? Any specialist tools needed to attach a complete upper?
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>>42586995
>Ask A2 for the Qpill
I already know all the memes
I don't care who owns the company or what happens to him
>Also their numbers are just not even very good
luckily I'm not using a trash panda
the vox is literally quieter than the omega at the ear which is very impressive
>How does the right hand bolt hold open actuate?
there's a button in front of the trigger
very easy to use
I don't like any controls being close to the trigger but it's not that big of a deal
>I've been drooling over an eventual ~14" 17S battle rifle with a nice 1-6x
well coming from someone who had that exact setup and has owned 2 scar 17Ss, I sold the scar and bought this
I like having the same controls and feel on as many guns as possible
plus better accuracy, lighter weight, won't murder optics near as fast, has less recoil, etc.
I'm also putting a folder in here to fit in a backpack

>>42587109
you need an AR wrench, a vise, a torque wrench, and something to hold the upper
other than that pretty normal tools
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>>42587131
>you need an AR wrench
Thanks. Pretty standard tool among the manufacturers, or are there variations with better ergos, etc I should look for?
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>>42587131
Yeah the Vox is very cool. More durable than the Omega too. Have you fucked with Key Mo? Does the Q system have any actual locking? At least with the OSS they have that gas rotation lock system.
>I don't care who owns the company
Yeah but some shitheads are just too big to ignore
>button in front of the trigger
Holy shit add another one to the list.
>17S
It seems better than a 17S in many ways.

>>42587109
>lower
Castle nut wrench. Roll pin starter punch helps for the bolt catch. Razor blade helps with the takedown pin detents and springs.

>>42587057
What barrel is in there again?
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>>42587191
the tapco one is actually really nice for around $20
the magpul one is a little better at around $60
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>>42587199
>What barrel is in there again?
Ballistic advantage modern series mid length 16 inch.
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>>42587205
The 1-6x Viper was honestly a fine optic for a budget 16" recce with that barrel. Should have held on to it.
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>>42587211
That upper was a better deal.
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>>42587199
>Have you fucked with Key Mo?
yea, a good bit
I like it
>Does the Q system have any actual locking?
no, but it doesn't come accidentally come off, so I don't care
>It seems better than a 17S in many ways
it is, but it's not going to be as insanely reliable, look as cool, or appeal to normies/casual gun owners
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Let me ask a serious question

How does PSA do it? They manage to offer functional rifles at low prices. Why do hipsters bother with any other brand, like Aero and BCM.
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>>42587239
>How does PSA do it? They manage to offer functional rifles at low prices
because Eugene Stoner and Jim Sullivan had big fuckin brains
>Why do hipsters bother with any other brand
because they're better guns
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>>42587266
How are they better if my PSA does everything a BCM does?
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>>42587201
Will look into those.
I greatly appreciate the advice this general has given to this AR neophyte. You guys aren't half as bad as the rest of /k/ makes you out to be. ; )
Look forward to officially joining when I complete my build, but will likely pop in with a few questions before then.
Thanks again.
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>>42587199
Nice Cal clone
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>>42587297
>if my PSA does everything a BCM does
well it doesn't
a BCM will be more accurate, softer shooting, more reliable, more durable, not have as many QC issues, feel better, look better, etc.
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>>42587199
>Castle nut wrench. Roll pin starter punch helps for the bolt catch.
Sorry, missed this response earlier somehow. So the roll pin starter punch is a punch that wouldn't be included in a typical punch set?
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>>42587352
I’ve never seen anybody prove that PSA won’t last as long as other more expensive brands.
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So out of all the barrel lengths available, am I retarded for thinking 10.5" and 18" are the only lengths you'd ever need
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>>42587414
11.5
If you need an 18” then buy a .308 rifle
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>>42587317
Cal has a better rifle desu.
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>>42587407
okay then just use PSA

>>42587414
>am I retarded for thinking 10.5" and 18" are the only lengths you'd ever need
no
I think 11.5 and 16" should be the two 14.5 is okay too but pinning is ghey

>>42587424
I mean yea kinda
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>>42587424
realistically though how much worse is the reliability of a 10.5 versus an 11.5, one extra stoppage in 5k rounds?

I agree on the 308 thing but i guess in this hypothetical you only have one lower but you could have two uppers

>>42587431
I see 16" as the gayest barrel- for two extra inches you could have a much softer gun and slightly more fps, and for chopping off a few inches you get a much handier gun
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Looking for a sbr, is Noveske worth the price?
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>>42587385
Wuggy's a retard.

I've never even heard of a roll pin starter punch before. It appears to just be a shorter roll pin punch. I don't see how that would actually make the job easier.

Anyway, there are special bolt catch roll punches, which have part of the shaft milled away so you can fit it up closer against the side of the receiver. It's handy, but not necessary.

There's also a pivot pin detent tool, which I reccomend. It makes the install much less frustrating.

You really don't need any special tools. I've assembled an AR lower with a framing hammer, a nail, and a standard screwdriver. Simply because I didn't want to walk into the next room to get my box o' gun tools.
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>>42587414
Why 18" over 20"?
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>>42587443
>realistically though how much worse is the reliability of a 10.5 versus an 11.5
depends on a lot of factors, but 11.5 is just better in every way except an inch of length
>for two extra inches you could have a much softer gun and slightly more fps, and for chopping off a few inches you get a much handier gun
you're really exaggerating the differences here
it's not "much softer" you can get any gas length and set it up how you want it
you're not gaining much with 18"
there are a decent amount of 18" 6.5 creedmoors, so I don't really see the point of going over 16" with 5.56

>>42587481
because it's shorter
you can literally argue for any barrel length vs another one, but having a lot of experience helps
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>>42587492
I'll make a trip so people will think I shoot as many bullets as you
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>>42587443
I specifically say 11.5 for the purpose of suppression. The 1 inch gain helps significantly in ballistics as well, but not as much as a 2 inch gain to 12.5. However at 12.5 it supposedly becomes sub optimal to suppress. I hear competition shooters use 12.5 because they just add a huge muzzle brake to it and the gain of length starts to not affect ballistics as drastically from inch to inch beyond 12.5.
This is all just from what limited knowledge I possess. I’m not against people using 14.5 or 18, but those lengths certainly have different purposes. For all around use, I would go with 14.5, personally. 18” is perfect recce length in my opinion.
I would suggest only using what I said as a suggestion into looking more into what you might want out of a certain rifle and then hone in your research to suit that intended purpose.
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>>42587492
>but 11.5 is just better in every way except an inch of length
You can keep saying that all the way out to, what, 24 inches?

10.5" is as short as is reasonable to go. I don't understand arguments for 11.5" Either shortness is your priority, or it isn't.
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>>42587515
Exactly- either 18" is your guy or 10.5" is as short as you can go while having a working gun
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>>42587519
Personally, I'm a 10.5/16/20 guy, and 16 is only in there because of asinine gun laws.
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>>42587519
10.5 is loud, very harsh on the gas system, frags m193 to extremely short distances- usually just 25 yards- a massive hassle to move across state lines, and much more of a hassle to suppress.
16" and a can might be too long, but let's not pretend that chopping a gun barrel to half its original length isn't going to affect its performance significantly.
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>>42587515
the point is it's only an inch and you're gaining noticeable reliability and component life
plus you're right on the velocity threshold for 55gr fragmentation/cavitation with 10.5"
>Either shortness is your priority, or it isn't
well people want it to perform really well AND be short
you're getting 40% more dwell time over 10.5 and only a few percent to the length of the entire gun
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>>42587570
Great Ash recce clone.
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>>42587966
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>>42587970
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Why are stripped Colt lowers so damn expensive? Is it because of the fact they won't be selling rifles to civilians anymore? Besides a Colt, what would be a good lower for my Block II I'm putting together?
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Guys, we should all vote in favor of gun bans. And here's why..
Banning drugs got us a wider access to more powerful drugs via the cartels. If we ban guns, the cartels will bring in full auto boom booms and we will inevitably have access to more and better shit via the black market to meet the demand. Plus, they'll be too expensive for the poors to afford. Its a win, win, win.
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>>42588399
You sound like a nigger
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>>42588528
Hmm.. Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to afford a black market M4.
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>>42588171
Colt
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>>42588171
You'd better buy that cold before they become unobtanium and triple in price. Hell, buy two. Wait a year, sell one and make a profit.
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/kel-tec-rdb-semi-automatic-rifle-ultimate-ar-15-alternative-79571

gAyR-15 is cancelled, RDB is now America's Rifle
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>>42588629
National Interest is satire right?
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>>42588633
N-n-no.
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>>42588629
Where do I go to get a job writing bullshit like this?
>mfw I'm just gonna shill kac and bcm in every single article.
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>>42588640
>>42588646
WGWS could write for them then maybe someone besides Wuggy Jr would build the shitty 14.5" barrel 10" inch MCMR trash he is shilling all the time
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>>42588667
I'm shilling 11.5's. Whether it be a KAC or a BCM, 11.5 is the way to go. Always. The answer to every single question, is 11.5.
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>>42588667
>Is this the ultimate AR15 build for your POU?
>14.5 pinned chf elw
>MCMR 10" handguard
>LMT MARS-L
>B5 SOPMOD because rotation limited
>Aimpoint T2 on Scalarworks mount
But don't use at extended ranges, because the 2 MOA dot is too coarse for anything 100 yards+
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>>42588703
>Why you absolutely shouldn't EVER go with a 16" barrel
>Because I said so
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>>42588703
Dot is fine u just suck get your eyes checked. Also, presumably carbine gas? Wouldn't want an exposed block/tube. Also I had scalar shit only because of their rotating wheel I'll still to my block of metal larue/adm mounts.
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>>42588717
>had
Hate*
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>>42588717
>wooosh
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>>42588399
>>Giving up natural rights for the sake of greed and personal gain.

I would kill you if I could anon
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>>42588760
>doing nothing as usual and letting ((them)) take everything anyway as they've been doing
Imagine being this retarded.
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BCM MCMR 14.5 ELW feels really good in my colon
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>>42588633
Post new upper, what’s new build are you doing
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>>42588399
t. Mexican cartel arms dealer, not falling for it (((Pedro)))
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>>42588792
Yes it does
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How do you people attach shit to your belts? Do you use the molle, belt slider things, or some other clips to hold your shit on?
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>>42588915
Malice clips through the pals webbing
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>>42588923
Got it.
As far as mag pouches go, should I go for something like a kywi or something stiff like kydex?
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>>42588956
Both styles work.
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>>42587473
>Wuggy's a retard
No you're a fucking retard. There are roll pin punches, and roll pin starter punches, and they are different. Look it up.


>>42587219
True, but now you need a new optic for it.

>>42587235
>doesn't accidentally come off
Direct thread is notorious for coming loose.

>>42587385
https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-Engineering-Roll-Starter-Punch/dp/B01B3NWBVI
These are not necessary, but I like mine.

>>42587513
>but not as much as a 2 gain
Actually the FPS jump from 10.5-11.5" is larger than 11.5-12.5" so while in absolute value yes there is more fps gain from 10.5"-12.5", relative to the increase in barrel length you get a "larger" gain just going from 10.5" to 11.5"

>>42587515
>I don't understand arguments
There are many priorities in building a gun or optimizing any system, and so we try to balance the different priorities. When it comes to 10.5" vs 11.5" the bottom line is that the is a strong fps jump from 10.5" to 11.5" with standard ammo, and so the extra inch is worth "sacrificing" in order to net better ballistics. However the FPS jump from 11.5" to 12.5" is not as large and so in that case the extra inch is not worth it.

>>42587666
>>42587570
>BCM upper
>BCM barrel
>Trijicon Accupoint
>Probably not an Anderson lower
This rifle is significantly better than yours.

>>42588703
>Red dot on 14.5"
Weird because I've got an Acog on mine

>>42588709
>T. doesn't understand moment of inertia

>>42588847
Genuinely a good fucking gun. Nice can.
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Hey guys, gonna buy a bcm mcmr upper with the elw barrel. Should I go for 14.5 or 16? Also, which radian ch should I nab?
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>>42589110
>>T. doesn't understand moment of inertia
I had an inertia once, hurt like hell and couldn't walk straight for 6 months.
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>>42589128
We did this like 5 times yesterday.
The answer is 14.5. Unless you plan on running a can, then its 11.5. Or if you want an SPR, then go for a 16.
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>>42589128
Also to add on to this, I've been debating between an eokek, micro reddot or lpvo, what would you boys suggest for a do all optic?
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>>42589138
Apologies anon, I should've checked the old thread first but thank you for answering
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>>42589140
T2 is the best option for 99.999999% of people. Unless you feel like dropping mad cash on a really good LPVO.
I like my eotech though. But I'd still suggest a T2.
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>>42589110
good morning wugster
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>>42589140
This is like asking if you should get a roadster, sport coupe, or an rock crawler for a do all car.
Different optics are optimized for different POUs. Same with barrels, and furniture. The idea is to have your choices between all of these things congruent with one another.

Both me, anon, and FA have 14.5" builds with Acogs and either piggybacked red dots, offset red dots, or back up irons. Consider something similar. Alternatively if you're tight on budget consider something like the Steiner P4Xi 1-4x
You can also try a 1-6x LPVO

A red dot isn't a bad call, but you probably are going to want a magnifier behind it to have your optic setup be more "congruent" with the 14.5" barrel.

>>42589152
On a 14.5" or 16" you're better off with a $550-$750 LPVO simply by virtue of matching the POU.

>>42589128
14.5"
Get the BFH CHF
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>>42589164
>lpvo
If you're in the hills of afghanistan, yes magnified optics are great. Almost a requirement. However, most 'engagements' for civilians will fall in the spitting distance range and a red dot is perfectly fine on a 14.5.
Plus if you're putting glass on a 14.5 you should be getting an acog. And your 14.5 should be a carbine gas with a KAC ras. Unless you're uncivilized and dirty.
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Brother in law sent me this. Shitty picture and can’t tell what the manufacturer is. You guys know? I know it’s extremely ugly tho
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>mlok
>20 inch barrel
>aimpoint with riser
>A FUCKING HAND STOP

you people are worse than fudds
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>>42589305
Lower looks like is a Thompson manufacturing
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>>42589397
Nice rifle you posted
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>>42589185
>If you're in the hills of afghanistan
If you're west of the Mississippi*
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>>42589433
nice foreskin atf nigger
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>thread is literally nothing but anon, Ash, FA and Wuggy wallposting his happa dick off
Holy shit just kill this general already it's a shambling corpse of what it once was and needs to at least have a mercy death
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>>42589440
How do you overcome the absolutely massive monent of inertia on your rifle?
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Proper optic to clone an m4?
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>>42589479
Same way I overcome your mom's moment of inertia
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>>42589502
More like your sister's, ayy lmao
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>>42589475
Nice rifle you posted
Do you have a question or something to contribute?
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>>42589493
TA31 RCO ACOG
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I wanna buy some aluminum mags. Is D&H good to go or should I pay more for Brownells? Is there a better third option?
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>>42589518
Okay surefeed dry film lube or go fuck yourself
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>>42589475
Anyone still regularly posting in /arg/ is basically admitting to being a subhuman. A tragic fate.
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>>42589502
The RCO (rifle combat optic) we use on the M4 is an ACOG make but its not the same one used for the M16. Their ballistics are different and each optic is specifically calibrated to each model. They aren't cheap. Look up trijicon.
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>>42589540
where do I get this rail or full rifle
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>>42584342

So what would I need to do in order to convert a standard BCM build into being California compliant? Is it even worth the effort? Here are the requirements:

>fixed stock (its already fixed)
>no pistol grip (would have to replace the grip with a rearward wing or some shit)
>no flash suppressor? (would have to get rid of my 14.5 + a2x?)
>10 ct rifle mag (easy)
>mag lock (easy)

Is that it?
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>>42589555
Well first off how does the thought of $250+ pieces of railed aluminum settle with you?
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>>42589566
I don't give a shit about the premium as long as I don't have to associate myself with poverty holes
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>>42589555
https://www.centurionarms.com/category-s/1818.htm
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>>42589590
Then follow anon's link and enjoy.
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>>42589590
BCM makes better quad.
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>>42589564
>no flash suppressor? (would have to get rid of my 14.5 + a2x?)
Yes. Most guys I know in California just go the fixed mag route so they can keep features. All you have to do is pull the rear takedown pin and the mag release can function as normal. The ARs I've seen there have some mod that lets them do it quickly, and I know there's parts for the mag release that let you quickly convert it to standard if you travel out of the state.
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>>42589564
Just buy a kalikey
Seriously why don't people just do this
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>>42589758
Jesus that looks horrible. I feel like the only way to make that tolerable would be to use a side charging handle to convert it into pump action. What's California's legal definition fo semi-automatic? Considering the ATF treats the pull and release of the trigger as separate actions...
>mod gun to have bolt lock back after every shot
>mod trigger to release the bolt on trigger release
>pulling the trigger no long cycles the action
>??????
>problem communists?
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>>42589110
>nice can
Borrowed can, unfortunately. Mine is still in jail. But yes, it was great.
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whats the cheapest ar15 light i can get away with using that is reliable and isnt junk?
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>>42590042
PSA
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>>42590042
Modlite
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>>42586561
yeah you aight

you can join /ard/ if you want
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>Want pic related in 300BLK for suppressor funtimes
>Can't find a single vendor that sells 10.5/10.3" barrels with an A2 installed, dummy or otherwise
Is my only option building myself, or has some sort of AR-15 parts database popped up in the past couple of years?

Also, i'm assuming i'll at least need a barrel that keeps the .750 journal all the way to the end so I can mount a lo-pro block and the A2 sight. Is that right?
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>>42590085
i think you can buy a barrel from ballistic advantage and have the FSP drilled and pinned for the barrel
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>>42590042
just tape a dollar store light to your rail lmao
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>>42590099
I guess i'll have to email them to ask, but their barrels taper slightly after the gas block, which I think means an A2 sight can't be fixed.
Thanks for the lead, though
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>>42589912
You get it so you can have a feature full rifle. And when the boog happens, if your rifle happens to find it’s way to a standard bcg... hey. It’s quicker and easier than undoing a fixed mag.
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>>42584342
My mom and her Boyfriend went on vacation should i take his rifle shooting. Is it going to break and what ammo does it use?
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>>42590085
>dummy or otherwise
It's going to be a dummy. .300BBC requires pistol gas.

I know PSA did do a run like that a couple years ago.
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>>42590143
Yeah you should take it. The RSO or any police you may encounter will probably ask you if you have a "stamp," which just means "is there anything stamped on your FBI file to keep you from possessing a weapon"- tell them "I am allowed to have this rifle on my person as explicitly laid out in the second ammendment and there are no other laws that can interfere with my right to bear arms (meaning you haven't broken any laws, so your firearms privileges are still intact)." They may mention something caled the NFA, but that just means No Further Answer is needed so you can immediately roll up the window and drive away (if in a traffic stop) or load the weapon and make ready to fire (if you are already at the range). Hope that helps!
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>>42590143
Nigga what
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>>42590194
you didnt answer is it going to break and what ammo does it use it looks like .45 but i may be wrong
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>>42590208
Did the rods finally disintegrate your mind?
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>>42590212
I dont know what you mean are you talking about my moms BF? he does roids
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>>42590143
If you're for real: It's a 5.56 rifle and no it won't break if you're not retarded.

If you're just shitposting: kys
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>>42590085
I got a bull barrel from MAS defense and did that. It was pretty heavy, all told.
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>>42590232
How does it feel knowing that you got the inferior virgin FN when the CHAD OLT is about to literally triple in value over the next 12 months?
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>>42590294
you do know they are still selling them right? and Colt said they want to focus on getting their contracts back so they were not pumping out shit and Civi sales would be backlogged.
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>>42590208
Look on the side just above the piece of tape. It should say something like "Cal.: multi" which means you can shoot multiple calibers from it. My favorite way to go on that is to stack the mag with a repeating alteration of .223, 5.56, and .300blk. Hope this helps!
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Hi /arg/. This PA-10 is not mine, it came into the shop where I work. Have you ever seen this type of wear on the lower receiver? It looks like the BCG is slamming back into the buffer tube threads.
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>>42590319
This is what i thought i have 3 mags ready to go im going in the yard to shoot in a few ill update when i get done
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>>42590294
Also the FN is way more clone correct faggot ass colt couldnt even mark their cucked lowers right.
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>>42590314
Still selling them for now.
Keep in mind, colt is the best investment as far as ar15 products go. Because colt has always remained valuable, and will always grow at a faster rate than any other manufacturer.
Give it a little bit for the "Out Of Stock' to pop up in more places. Then watch the secondhand prices go up and up.
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>>42590366
The name means little to the new shooters they have been shit since 2007 so i think you have it wrong old people will want them but new shooters wont want a shit built lower QA rifle when they could just by PSA and get the same.
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>>42590322
it's hard to tell from your pic because your camera is focused on the stock and not what you're trying to show, but that doesn't look like wear.
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>>42590377
Exactly. Investing isn't for zoomers, you invest so you can prey on some old boomer fudd. Watch, some desert storm vets will want them. And boomers that 'used to buy them for $100 at the hardware store back in the 70's' will want them.
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>>42590322
Throw it out and tell them to buy something that isn't garbage. Then charge them for the advice because you just did them a favor.
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>>42590416
I get it. I really think what Colt is doing is making a artificial scarcity to drive up the amount they can charge when they do sell.
Like i said Colt has said they are slowing sales not stopping them.
I am not worried i bought what i wanted i like the FN and it had the Roll marks i wanted. I could of bought the Colt but it felt cheap when i handled both of them the day i got the FN
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>>42590499
>artificial scarcity to drive up the amount they can charge
Maybe. Or maybe they're just cucking hard for the contracts. Remember, all these big names have no fucking problems selling your rights down the drain for a contract. Colt has always historically not given a fuck about the civilian market.
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>>42590408
Better?
>>42590425
Thanks for not contributing, you didn't answer my question.
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>>42590533
You hit the nail on the head. Colt has never given a shit about the civilian market.
The whole focus on Contracts thing is a load of shit because they have none now.
Maybe they are showing the Gov they now have room on their machines?
I just know that they wont fully stop they will sell in Bursts to make there shit QA worth more .I wouldnt be surprised if this is a cuck at gun control or some shit.
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>>42590564
The Retainer pin is low and the back of the BC is hitting the threads or the upper has some play
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>>42590568
>As America's premier firearm manufacturer we feel it is our duty to do the right thing. So going forward, we will no longer be selling our M4 or M16 type rifles to civilians.
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>>42590564
Like I said, it’s probably some out of spec piece of garbage that PSA’s one man blind QA team didn’t catch.
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>>42590595
>And we feel others should follow or lead.
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>>42590611
>Support the NRA. Join today!
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>>42590619
> here take my money ....and sure you can fuck my wife.
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>>42590629
>aww yah Brother take my money too
*crack sip
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What's a good build that would implement an aero M4E1 lower? I was going to do a retro build, but that seemed to clash too much aesthetically.



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