I want all 9mm melvins off my board by sundown.Your round is fine, good enough for most things. But the tacticool faggots who think that it's the perfect handgun caliber that makes all other pistol rounds useless are the most annoyingCaliber Niggers on this site.
Lmao, go cry in the corner .40 fag.
>>42581699Fuddy Five here to send you a message from our campT W O W O R L D W A R SW O W O R L D W A R SO W O R L D W A R SW O R L D W A R SO R L D W A R SR L D W A R SL D W A R SD W A R SW A R SA R SR SS
Go home and take your blown up Glock with you, 357 Chadnum is the one true round
>>42581699Nine milimeme fags can't just accept the truth that the bigger bullet is, the better will be stopping power. 10mm auto is a fine round, and .357 SIG is a sane person's 9x19.
>>42581769Ignoring cost, is .357sig actually livable to practice with regularly in a mid-sized pistol?Just curious.
>>42581769>>42581699The Wondrous 9×19 will be abundantly available during the Big Igloo. Enjoy getting yeeted before I do because you ran out of the gucci meme round you so adamantly clung to, all because you're a special snowflake.
>>42581804I don't care about your larping fantasies.
>>42581699dubs speak truthbut .50 handcannons only
>>42581802thanks>>42581804in the event of Le Big Kahuna there will be plenty of guns on the ground to pick up if it ever got to that point
>>42581836>the event of Le Big Kahuna there will be plenty of guns on the ground to pick up if it ever got to that pointTrue, but it will be hard for you to find ones that use your favorite wildcat round.
>>42581857So go and spend more neetbux on your preps! What's the problem?
>>42581699> misses due to flinching during stress and poor marksmanship (due to time spent on meme bullets instead of training) and has slow follow up shots with his meme caliber>gets hit with an accurate 9mm in the sternum> dies
>>42581857>implying I don't have a 9mm as well simply for ammo compatibility reasons>implying long running gun-battles where you expend large amounts of pistol caliber ammo would occurdoubt
>>42581908Nice mantras 9mm fanatic
>>42581908>not training with the largest cal to build up strength and discipline.you'll shit yourself when someone pulls a gun on you.
>>42581980Shooting a big caliber does not increase your strength stupid, if you want to do that lift weights dumb söyboy. And as if your occasionally shot meme gun gives you "discipline" lmao. You pull a gun on me I'm going to return fire faster and more accurately than you. Honestly theres nothing to argue considering pretty much every military and special forces that matter use 9mm luger. No one important uses whatever shit round you have lol
>>42582008cope harder 9fag
>>42581708That's best mm you fruit.
>>42582008I hate to break it to you but if you regularly shoot more powerful rounds it absolutely will strengthen your hand, especially if you're doing it with a DA revolver. Some .38SPL+P (Rem UMC for instance) feels like cannon fire relative to a typical 9mm self-defense load.
>>425820689mm is way more powerful than 38 spcl retard
>>425816999x19mm is the best handgun round
>>42581768My bullets are heavier, faster, and bigger in diameter. Also I get fuckin 15 of em.
>>42581908Imagine being so physically weak that recoil is a constraint.
>>42581699.22 short skill over power reporting inDavid to your Goliaths.
>>42581836Have fun not being able to pierce through armor and cover.
>>42581699Let the eternal battle continue.>They all fall to the hardball
>>42582085"more powerful" What is felt recoil and DA trigger pull?your "no guns" is showing or just another Glawk baby I guess....44Mag out of a Deagle is actually more comfortable to shoot than a light framed 3in revolver firing a hot .38spl+P
>>42582173A comment so vague it actually has no value at all.
>>42581699Tree Fiddy 7 reporting.
Niggers, niggers everywhere...
>>42582268The great-grandpa round to the fuddy-five AARP
>>42582383Not getting rid of it. It's priceless to me.
>>42581769I only carry a .50 bmg, appendix nonetheless.
>>425822143a armor, car cover and things like glass and wood
I like .22
>>42581699Nothing is as cool as deep concealing a colt detective loaded with reverse wadcutter handloads, or fbi spec treasury loads / supervel supersnubs
>>42584788is that DA only? if not I would not put that in my pocket
>>42584784Good for everything but combat and large game
It's well known that the only legitimate modern handgun rounds are .357SIG and 1cmEverything else is a monument to compromise or something designed by committee.
>>42581752but not vietnam. huh.
>>42582236Imagine butchering one of the most beautiful combat pistols of all time just for clout on an anime imageboard
>>42585553It did, though.
>>42581790Recoil is closely approximated by power factor, at least for handguns (where bullet mass >>> powder mass).Typical .357 SIG loads have power factors between 9mm and .40, a little closer to .40.Light turbobullets (i.e. 65gr Xtreme Defense) are down with typical 9mm loads.Some people find it psychologically intimidating due to the substantially greater flash and report, but as far as actual recoil is concerned? If you're not already struggling with 9mm, it won't be a problem with practice. Some more or less typical figures, just as a general idea:.357 SIG:65gr @ 2100 fps = 136125gr @ 1450 fps = 181147gr @ 1250 fps = 184.40 S&W:135gr @ 1400 fps = 189150gr @ 1300 fps = 195165gr @ 1200 fps = 198180gr @ 1100 fps = 1989mm +P:115gr @ 1300 fps = 140124gr @ 1200 fps = 149147gr @ 1100 fps = 162
>>42582008Based and 9pilled
>>42582076This but hes right
>>42586030You're comparing +p to standard rounds. Apples and oranges, why don't you put the real 9mm numbers up there?
>>42585667Well if they'd just make a 10mm USP stock then we wouldnt have to abuse them. Now would we?>stop crying, USP. You chose to put on that dress
If your going to carry a nine micrometer at least have the decency to get some magnum'd out meme version like 9 major or 960
>>42587467Imagine a 10mm mk23
>>42587903>best combat pistol>in best mmI need it
>>42587916Yfw 1150 fps 230 grain supressed loadsYfw you can switch to 135 grain 1800 fps manstoppers with nothing but a mag swap
>>42585547*sucks air in through teeth*You aight, sig boi.>he cute
>>42587937YesI think I just /k/ame
>>42586030Then you have the chad 10mm with heavy loads that match up with most intermediate rifle rounds.60 at 2400 = 144100 at 1850 = 185135 at 1700 = 229200 at 1325 = 265220 at 1200 = 1264 (using a 4 inch barrel, you can push crazy numbers if you use a 6 or 7.5 inch barrel)
I love 9mm but the "you can only use 9mm ever at all full stop without exceptions bar none no substitutions in all situations every time of every day or you will literally die fifty times and be torn asunder and your molecular structure will disintegrate as the very matter which composed your being self-annihilates and becomes nonexistent, even the small and large nuclear forces binding your very subatomic particles together will be blinked from being at the exact moment you touch a handgun loaded in anything other that 9x19mm Luger Parabellum" fags piss me off to no end. "Uh 9mm is better than whatever round because modern bullets" NIGGER HORNADY MAKES CRITICAL DEFENSE IN FUCKING EVERYTHING, THEY ALL HAVE MODERN BULLETS. SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>42587951Just wait until some kommando figures out how to load 10mm slap.You could chuck a 55 grain tungsten rod and 5 grain sabot at oh, I dont know. Probably 2600-2800 fps from a longslide handgun. You could use a MASSIVE charge of longshot (15+ grains) with a projectile that light.
>>42587981Uhh. Is it normal for my dick to turn into a 91-30?
>>42581699>not using 13.2mm AT bulletsLol ok loser
>>42581699Fuck "muh 9mm is just as good babies." .40 S&W and .45 are the best rounds from an all around standpoint. 10mm is pretty cool but it's probably a meme at this point. Cool potential though.
>>42586030Thanks, I'm interested in picking up something for fun or occasional carry (have two other more rational carry choices already) and that's actually helpful information.9mm is only a PITA when it's in something tiny so a full-size .357Sig is probably not a problem. I'm sure practice will be needed like anything else though. After qualifying on a SAW and an M60 I think I'm okay with muzzle flash at this point. kek
>>42589047I own a t-18 aswell as a glock 40
>>4258652710mm +p Sami spec when?
didn't Wikipedia use to say that 10mm was developed in sweden?
Bump, fuck nine niggers
>>42584822You mean SA, right?
What pistol can actually take max pressure 10mm?
>>42593320All of them.If you are asking about +p then it's a differnt thing entirely as there is no set standard.
>>42582124>my bullets are too strong for you traveler
>>42581817A little late but CENTIMETEEEEEERS
>>42593414There is a finite amount of gunpowder that can fit in a 10mm case and still allow for a bullet to be seated. I'm just asking what guns can handle a 10mm loaded to the brim.
9mm guys think bigger rounds cause flinchingWomen
>>42581768>posting a fucking TaurusGet a second job
>>42593687Filled to the brim with what though?Big difference between fine ground blank powder and cannon powders.
>>42593902I just want to know what the most solidly built handgun is, my man. That means which one can safely handle the highest pressure loads.
>>42593693My wrists are fucked so I need the soft recoil of 9mm.
>>42593714Taurus has some great revolvers, noguns.
>>42594733So does korth.
Okay guys, so I did some research, and it turns out that Glocks can handle full power 10mm, like the kind sold by Underwood, Double Tap and Buffalo Bore. Colt Delta Elites CANNOT handle such rounds.When it comes to hand loads, the glock 20 is still going to handle it, but you will have a lot of split cases if you reload because glock barrels have loose tolerances. You are better off installing an aftermarket barrel that fully supports handloaded 10mm, if you want to hand load 10mm.
>>42593666>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT SHOOT BOTTLE NECK CARTRIDGES WHY? C-CAUSE YOU CANT. THATS WHY!
What's the best bullet weight for 10mm? I like speed so I get 135gr spear tips.
>>42595357Honestly when it comes to 10mm handguns Glock 20 or Springfield Armory XD 10mm are the go to's cause of the price point $550-$599. A freaking Colt Delta goes for $1000.
>>42595414Yep 135 grain also .40 S&W should be loaded with 135 grain to get its true ballistics,but it's hard to find 135 grain its always sold out.
>>42595414Pic related its crazy how people think 9mm trumps .40 and 10mm
>>42593687>>42593994Glock 40 mos with a 24lb recoil spring and a gucci aftermarket barrel.I've got one and it feeds even swampfox loads with no problem.
>>42595357I have no issues with my g40 running underwood bullets
>>42595401Have fun reloading
>>42595414Best for bears is 220 grain bulletsBest for cans is 230-240 grains IF your barrel can stabilize itBest for dindus Is 180-200, or 135 if you've got a longslide gun and some swampfox tier ammo, you wanna be getting up into that 1800-1900 fps range.Best for feds would be 100 grain solid copper rounds, or ~60 grain sabot loads if your a bad enough dude to make those.
>>42596463180 grain gold dots loaded by underwood (1350ish fps in a 4.5" barrel, 1500ish in a 6") is the best people killing 10mm load. It's just enough ass to peel back the gold dot but not shred it to bits. It gets 18" in gel and will knock a deer dead in it's tracks.
If handguns just drill holes because they can't achieve muh 2200 fps for muh elastic tissue damage threshold then shouldn't 45 70 government and 45 acp do the same thing?
>>42596639Correct, but these retards don't understand ballistics beyond watching one video from an ammo sales company, so you can't expect them to really know what they're talking about.
>>42596639Funny thing is 9mm guys use to hype up velocity and energy back when it was just 9mm vs .45When 10mm, .40, .357 sig comes all of a sudden velocity and energy isn't important anymoreBut wouldnt that mean the old .45 argument of biggest hole matter then?9mm guys try to have it both ways.I dont mind the 9mm. Most my guns are 9mm. I think the 9x19mm jhp is a good defense round.But I dont understand how it's just as "powerful" as .40 or .45 or .357 or 10mm. Its just hard to accept.
>>42593499you deserved a (you) for this, thanks
>>42596794Its NOT as powerful. Max balls to the wall 10mm has 2-3 times more energy
>>42582008You can tell this guy has noodle arms.
>>42587903.45 Super is the same thing.
22 tcm fired from a pistol has less recoil and more armor penetration than every single caliber mentioned above, as well as actually being fast enough to cause damage from the temporary wound cavity.Granted, there are major issues with availability and reliability of this caliber, but it should be good once someone solves all these problems.
>>42599555No way it penetrates armor more then 10mm you little fruit
>>42599477With less capacityAnd velocity
>>42599555.357 sig shits on .22 tcm when loaded with 65gr extreme defenders. We're talking 2200fps from a g31 sized firearm, nearly 2300fps from a g24. Without any of the reliability issues, and much more available plinking ammo.
>>42599555>22 tcmIt was dead on arrival the guns were expensive and the ammo was expensive.Top it off they're made by Rock Island Armory a company in the Philippines
>>42600187I love .357sig in full-size guns, but you've gotta admit .22 TCM is a better fit for pocket pistols.An LCP with a grip stretched just enough to take TCM-9R would be the tits, shame it will never happen.
>>42581752why arent you carrying around a gladius? they were used countless wars by the romans!
>>42601686No it isn't. 22tcm needs a long barrel.