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"You bought it because the internet told you to" edition.

Yeah, I made the thread. What of it?

Pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik

Git Gud Guide:
https://mega.nz/#!86AmzYaA!Z88rBjdIcBeTitTrOLX08LFjqKVzLmUpAWRaUEnyO0Y

Prior thread: >>42525858
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Anybody here into ISSF competition 22 pistols?
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Tell me one of you is going to buy this thing. Post videos when you do.
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Does anyone make a holster for the USP9 with GG&G mount plus x300u? Also, is there any better mounts for the USP9 and the x300?
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Best revolver for under 350? Heritage Rough Rider would be a quick go-to but I wanna know if anyone knows a good model in .38, would an Iver Johnson be a fine start?
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>>42553773
Dubs and Burt has to buy one
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>>42553832
Every now and then I see a Ruger security in that price range, does anyone have an opinion on them?
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>>42553832
You can get the SW 642 online for that price range. I’m sure the LCR is in that range as well. I think many places are trying to dump the Ruger SP101 in 9mm as an alternative.

>>42553842
You can get an M&P9 2.0 for 350 why even bother with the Ruger? Hell, you can get a SP2022 or P320 for under $400 now.

>>42553773
No one wants this gay fucking gun stop posting it in the general or buy it yourself with your good boy points
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>>42553773
Is this meant to be scooped up by all the video game playing children that will eventually be into real guns? Because it looks that way.
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>>42554043
Not unless those kids have a few grand.
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>>42554145
$5K for that? I'm not really that impressed. It's ugly. It might be a good gimmick gun if nothing more. Something for people to talk about "muh bore axis" and compare to whatever else has a low bore axis. The autist's dream that comes true.
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>>42553832
No no no no and sometimes no. If you want a usable revolver under 350 you're limited to scrounging for a good deal on a Smith 638, or a Taurus Model 85
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I'm poor but want to into 2gun for fun, not to win. What sidearm get? I already have a poverty AR.
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Why is the PX4 Storm given a "highly recommended" rating on the pastebin?
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>>42555133
Glock 17
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>>42555139
Because it's a fantastic 9mm with a lot of variants to cater to your specific need.
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>>42555141
>$500-600 gun
>$400 if you're really lucky used but usually still closer to $500
Cheaper.
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>>42555155
LEO trade in 17 gen 3s can be had for less than $400
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>>42555160
>out of stock
>out of stock
>out of stock
>$350
Well okay. Any others to look at though?
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>>42555155
https://aimsurplus.com/leo-trade-in-glock-17-gen-2-9mm-handgun/
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>>42555139
Its the best polymer DA/SA on the market right now.
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I want a futuristic-looking gun for laughs.
Should I get an arex delta, steyr l9a2, or something else that fits the bill?
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>>42555175
Full-size used M&P 9mm
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>>42555175
Star Firestar Plus
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Do cz75s have good triggers?
I'm used to shooting compacts, mostly sigs with good triggers and i'm pretty accurate.
I was thinking about getting a duty sized gun for the extra sight radius for more accurate firing.
Also looking at the full sized usp 9mm.
How do these triggers compare to a sig srt?
Any other recommendations?
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I'm about to buy my first gun. Aside from the gun and ammo, is there anything else I should buy as well? Is there anything I should know before going to the counter? Also, are there any apps that tell you how much ammo is going for so I don't get ripped off by my LGS? All the help is welcomed.
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>>42553682
Nice choice OP
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Threadly reminder to Burt:
Go fuck yourself you fat slob
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>>42555344
Why the hate?
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>>42555188
Calico.
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What's a good gun for CC chambered in .45ACP? I was looking at the Beretta PX4 Storm but after shooting it, it just doesn't feel right to me. I'm honestly about to just buy pic related for my larger caliber problem solver.
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>>42555376
Is the Calico in Code Veronica? I haven't gone through all the RE games yet but I don't remember seeing it, and I think the only bigger ones I haven't played are CV and the Outbreaks.
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>>42555408
Yeah, 2 of 'em.
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Anyone have a Glock G19 MOS and actually use an optic on it? How do you like it compared to irons, and how comfortable it is as an EDC?
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>>42555368
why the concern?
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So looking to grab my first polymer handgun. Right now kinda thinking about the HK VP9 or a Glock. Which is the better buy? Any other striker suggestions?
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Should I buy two of the same pistol, one for shooting thousands of rounds for practice, and one I just put 500 or so rounds through and then keep as my carry pistol?

I'm concerned if I just use one for both training and carrying, it could get worn down too much. If I just buy the same pistol twice I can still practice without the risk of wearing out the gun to the point where it malfunctions.
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>>42555640
with pistols there's really no such thing as "wearing them down" unless we're talking like 30k rounds and even then it would be something replaceable like a slide lock, not a barrel. Unless you're firing some insane hot loaded .500 MAG, gun calibers don't have the sort of bang/pressure required to wear out a barrel. Besides, I'd rather have a gun that went bang reliably 5000 times than a gun that only did 500 as my CC gun.
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>>42555640
Dude, I've put 1000 rounds of 115gr 9mm every month though my polymer pistol this year. At that rate, if an extractor or trigger return spring is going to die on me, odds are it'll be at the range.

If you do want multiple pistols, I'd say keep your EDC and buy a big old heavy ass competition capable pistol to give you something to chase and keep you going to the range.
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>>42555640
Are you the guy from the last thread that was talking about not practicing with his carry pistol?
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Explain the goods and bads when it comes to Taurus.
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>>42555768

Good: Cheap

Bad: Cheap
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>>42555768
pros: they're at least smart enough to not fuck up their revolvers
cons: huehuehue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw
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>>42553773
we got one from the importer to test out for the next couple of days

I only had for 30s in my hands without shooting
will try it next week
so far the trigger does not impress
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>>42555879
>it fucking jams on top of firing without trigger pull
My lord, fucking Favella monkeys c'mon now.
>>42555768
>Good
Cheap and mostly reliable revolvers.
>Bad
Cheap and horrendous semi-autos

I would sincerely buy a Hi-point before I would EVER consider a semi-auto Taurus.
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>>42555225
if you want it to

CZ triggers completely depend on what parts are installed

they can go from 12 pounds to 3 pounds in DA mode
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>>42555179
Any DA/SA HK blows the pants off that wop trash.

>>42555406
USP45c or HK45c? Glock has the 30 and 36 if you swing that way. P320 has the 45 compact. SW has the Shield in 45.
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I was wanting to buy a Glock 32 in 357 Sig but I'm reading a lot about feeding issues. Whats the fucking deal? Anyone have one?
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>>42556009
>USP45c or HK45c? Glock has the 30 and 36 if you swing that way. P320 has the 45 compact. SW has the Shield in 45.
thanks anon. I didn't know S&W made the shield in .45.
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Guys what model J-frame should I get? Pre-lock, of course.
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shooting double action is hard for me and I wish i could get gooder at it :(
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>>42555258
midwayusa. c o m
gunbot. n e t
sgammo. c o m

Those three should have you set for ammo and accessories. Buy some spare magazines.
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>>42553773
Dubs and burt buys one.
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>>42555258
Tell me you arent going to buy that piece of shit, anon.
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>>42553835
>>42556120
Stop pandering to tripfags
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>>42556124
A few years ago I'd be right there with you. The internet reviewers aren't lying this time, the current batch is actually better. I picked up a TX22, G2C, and an 856 and they've all been perfectly functional guns. There's lots of better used options of course, but they at least do work and have a warranty for sub $300.
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What are some red dot ready Compact sized hand guns besides the Glock MOS? I can't find any compact optic pistols other than the MOS and I don't want to get an MOS just because I had no other options to consider.

Please note I'm looking for compact sized, I do see plenty of full size optic ready pistols. I'm also not looking to get aftermarket milling since that is absurdly expensive. The PX4 storm for example charges 350 for aftermarket milling, then you still have to go out and buy the optic.
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>>42556477
CZ p10c
FN 509
Walther PPQ Q4 & Q5
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>>42556009
>Any DA/SA HK blows the pants off that wop trash.
I own a p30sk. After shooting one with a 8000 series D spring inside, I would say I wish I'd just purchased the PX4 fullsize, except neither one are terribly easy to mill for a RDS.
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>>42555175
M&P 2.0
Canik TP9, preferably the sfx
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>>42556049
36 dingus. Duh
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S&W 9mm m&p full size with apex full trigger, night sights, and two 17rd mags for $400. Worth it for first time gun owner? Mostly for funs and home defense.
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>>42556829
That's the direction I was leaning. Thanks anon.
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>>42556124
It’s not a piece of shit surprisingly. The brand doesn’t have the best reputation, but the TX22 shoots great. Have you actually held one?

>>42556110
Thanks. I assume I’ll need a cleaning kit too? Any suggestions?
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>>42556477
P320 RX. I told you already that the P320’s are fine now after the beta testing that was the first release. You keep going between Glock MOS and PX4 as if those are the only options. Why do you even need an optic on an EDC gun? Have you shot any of these at all?
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>>42556058
Forearm exercises and use a rolling trigger method.
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>>42553985
>>42555062
Thank you for the replies, is the Taurus Model 82 a good option as well? There are some LEO trade-ins for 200
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>>42553773
Not until the price starts with a 2 or better

>>42555139
It's inexpensive, reliable, very low recoil, has an excellent trigger, large capacity magazines, good sights. Why wouldn't it be highly recommended?

>>42555188
Beretta 9000 and 92-Two are futuristic, as is the Hudson H9.

>>42555225
The safety ones have good triggers, but not great triggers. The decocker ones have okay triggers. Both can be made EXCELLENT with a few parts.

Sig SRT's reset is significantly shorter than any CZ75 I've ever seen, even with aftermarket parts. It seems that DA/SA CZ75 resets can't be made super redic short, though maybe that's not the case on the SAO models. Slight caveat; Sigs always have a bit of creep, which I don't mind in that specific case because it's very smooth, it's not hitchy like a shitty trigger, where CZ75s with a CGW hammer can be made to have ZERO creep, truly great break. But again that reset difference.

S&W 3rd gen autos tend to have excellent SA triggers but the DAs tend to be heavy and a little ratchety. Daewoos and Lionheart have quite good triggers. Beretta 92/M9s, PX4s and 8000s all have excellent triggers with a small potential for a very small amount of creep, I've seen it vary, some have zero creep, some have a Sig-like amount. imo it's forgivable there too because like a Sig it's smooth (if it exists at all). Beretta's DA ultrasmoothness and low recoil is a huge plus for those models too. HK USP Elite/Marksman/Expert etc have great SA triggers but the DA, if applicable, is still plasticy like USPs exhibit. Grand Power is another often-overlooked brand who have truly excellent factory triggers on all DA/SA models, VERY short reset and a very nice break and very smooth DA. And lastly I'd say the Walther P99 has one of if not the best triggers ever. Truly perfect SA and reset with a tolerable, long, but smooth DA pull. The only problem with the P99 is it breaks all the way back at the frame, and this cannot be altered.
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>>42557657
I really wish Walther would make a single stack subcompact P99 with that sweet AS trigger.
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>>42555258
>>42557238
I strongly suggest not buying any kind of cleaning kit, or any kind of kit at all. They're designed for suckers who don't know any better and you'll end up not using 80% of the crap in it and the other 20% will be cheapo stuff.

If you want cleaning stuff, just a solvent-wetted bore snake run through after each range trip will do you almost indefinitely, even with messy .22. You can use rags, Q-tips and toothbrushes to clean the rest of the gun. If you want a rod (they do come in handy, and with the right brush and jig do a better job at reaming out caked on lead and copper from the bore) then get a Dewey nylon-coated steel rod or something similar, something decent, and just one or two bore-specific jags and brushes. I rarely ever use my rods, I almost entirely use bore snakes because they do well and are easier and less messy.

>>42556124
It's far from a piece of shit, wake up.

>>42555344
Thanks friend!

>>42555368
You could take a guess and likely be correct, teenagers aren't very complicated.

>>42555501
Neither, or both. It's preference.

Yeah there are a gorillion excellent striker coices, S&W M&P M2.0, CZ P10C, Walther PPQ or P99, Beretta APX, Steyr M/L series, read the pastebin in OP there are tons! I'd take almost any of them over a VP9 or a glokk if I could only have one, because to me the VP9 is overly recoily and doesn't have a great trigger, and I dislike glox grips and mushy triggers greatly.

>>42555768
It depends entirely on the model, it's not an all-or-nothing thing with the entire brand. G2Cs are inexpensive great little DA/SA carry guns. PT92s are well proven Beretta-family full size blasters. TX22s are extremely reliable, great trigger-having .22 plinkers or trainers. Some of the other models have had drop safety issues or parts breakages but the above are solid.

There is no good or bad with Taurus as a whole, you have to confine your criticism to one single model they make on its own.
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>>42555879
>>42555907
That model was never imported to the US, though the 24/7 that was imported to the US was not drop-safe. That was fixed in subsequent models, as were the drop safety problems in the Millennium, G2, and other models.

But THAT one in your video is pure BS, it was Brazilian-domestic only, for their police forces. Don't post that shit and pretend it's indicative of US-imported Taurus products because it's not, and also that video is 20 years old, and also there have been 3 generational updates since then. You might as well complain about the Ford Pinto or Edzel in 2019.

>>42556058
A lighter hammer spring would probably help a lot.

>>42556477
Beretta APX RDO (put the chassis on a compact frame), Walther PPS M2 optics ready, CZ P10S OR, uhm I think there's a """""compact""""" version of the Arex Rex Zero 1 Tactical.

>>42556928
Ehhh if it's super clean like new maybe, and also depending on which Apex trigger kit. They make a $40 trigger only and they make a $180 full parts replacement kit, which is it? $400 might be okay if it were the entire kit but not if it's just the polymer trigger only.

>>42557709
Dude that would be so extremely cool! Little PPS-sized DA/SA with that insane P99 trigger!
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>>42556049
6 4 9
4
9
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i don't get why people would want or use a desert eagle.
It just seems like your compensating for having a small cut penis
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>>42558027
I have an average-sized uncut penis, thank you very much.

I need to take some new pictures of this soon, though. Been posting this one for awhile now.
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>>42556049
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>>42552264
The RAP 401 is certainly the least common on the list, but they can be frequently found in the US.

>Sig P239
How does it compare to the P225?

>Springfield 911, Sig P238, Kimber Micro, Walther PPK
Should have specified that I'm looking for 9x19.

>Sig P938, Kimber Solo
Looking for a compact, not a subcompact.
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>>42558095
The P239 is a slightly slimmer but not really any smaller, haven't owned either (yet).

Where are you seeing a RAP 401 even for sale? I have never seen one for sale in the US and I can't find one now. I don't know if that qualifies as "frequently"

>>42558027
Because it's fun I imagine. Why do you drive something with more than 35 horsepower? That's all you need to get to 70mph, the national speed limit.
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>>42558220
but the eagle isn't practical, why use it when you can just use something like a 45, i hear eagle rounds hurt your arm like a bitch as well?
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>>42557709
>>42557789
Who would I have to get in contact with at Walther to suggest this idea? I want them to know there’s a market for a single stack P99. Do you think they would care at all or wipe their ass with my letter?
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>>42558272
I think they wouldn't care because they already have the PK380, PPS M2, CCP and PPK :(

But I called their 800 number and asked to speak with someone about a design fault with the Q5 SF Match. I got put through to an engineer, who I described the problem to, he knew exactly what I was talking about and said they had been working on a fix.

That was 3 months ago and I haven't heard about a fix being available, but there is a dude there who listens is my point I guess.

>>42558248
Because you can!
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>>42553682
> HK P7 PSP
Decent, but does not live up to the hype.
Cost me $600 or so. I should sell it, but values keep going up.
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>>42558303
eh good enough
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>>42557957
Hot damn. The stainless with the shrouded hammer seems very practical. To be honest I'd be a little afraid of fucking up the finish on a blued gun by pocket carrying it.

>>42558081
They might be okay guns but I have zero interest in designs newer than 1990 desu. Plus Kimber doesn't really do it for me.

>>42558095
I had a P239 SAS for a while and I found it underwhelming. I found the trigger to be noticably inferior to my $200 third gen Smith. Also, the front of the grip is very squared off, which was pretty uncomfortable. Explains why you see so many with Hogue grips.

Aside from that, it was a neat little gun, and was perfectly reliable and accurate. Your options are definitely limited if you want an all metal single stack DA/SA 9mm, so it's worth checking out.
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>>42558248

Who gives a fuck about practical?
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>>42558340
i'd rather not have hand pain for the next day when i have to shoot some dumb cia nigger
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>>42553826
Black point tactical.
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>>42558350
You might be overselling the recoil on .50 ae.
It's pretty much a necked up .44 magnum in a pretty massive gun, so felt recoil is kinda mitigated by the size of the thing.

.500 magnum is much worse on your hands and wrists.
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>>42558220
>Where are you seeing a RAP 401 even for sale?

They come up on GunBroker. Two listed right now I think.
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>>42557789
>Don't post that shit and pretend it's indicative of US-imported Taurus products because it's not
the fact that it ever passed their QC and went into mass production speaks volumes about how much care they put into their guns
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>>42553682
I bought a USP, I like it so far, am I retarded?
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>>42558874
Yes.
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>>42558874
No, because you like it. That's the important part.
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>>42558891
But i don't like it
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>>42558885
Or is everyone else a poorfag
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>>42558874
Not at all, they're very nice pistols. The USP45 is the softest shooting .45 I've ever used, the mag release may take you a bit to get used to, and if you want to put an under barrel accessory on it you'll need to buy an adapter, but other than that they're great guns. Still miss mine, maybe I'll replace it some day when I have 800-1000 dollars to spare.
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>>42558874
Got one in .45 and I love it so far. Only complaint I have is the extra money I had to spend on a rail adapter and that the trigger isn't as nice as my Sig.
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>>42558908
I'm having a little trouble cranking the same accuracy out of it as my 1911, got any tips?
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>>42558815
You assume there was any QC for the Brasilian market

Have your opinion, but don't taint other peoples experience with it. There's no mystery you're the holder of, you're not dropping truth bombs to save people, you're fucking up a whole brand in the minds of some people like a corporate troll.

>>42558874
No, but your wallet is light
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>>42558972
Bought it used my fren
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>>42558937
Get the match trigger for it, and maybe the tactical sights if you ever plan to put a comp or suppressor on it. Unless you have the tactical model, which comes from the factory with those sights and trigger(plus a threaded barrel), in which case there's not really much more you can do to improve the pistol.
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>>42557741
>It's far from a piece of shit, wake up.
Roll off your mom and fight me, Burt.
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>>42556049
You can get 442 Airweight without the lock fren.
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>>42557339
No. Go to gun.deals, aimsurplus, or sportsman outdoors and grab a better used revolver
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>>42553773
I would if I had fuck you money
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Thoughts on the p938 legion? lgs shit on it amd said the the p320 and p365 were better. I like the way the way the p938 better though.
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>>42559477
legion is kinda a meme, but the 938 is a really snappy firearm being so light and small and still shooting 9mm. nothing wrong with it though, i love mine and i love the fact i dont need to stock some bullshit round like .380.
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>>42559477
Did the lgs shit on it cause he didn't have one in stock? also checked
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Anybody own an HK P2000?

How do you like it?
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>>42559281
My mom's dead.

>>42559477
It's way overpriced without real justification, yes there are extra features but in most cases the Legion models price hike doesn't reflect the physical "upgrades" on those models. In the P938's case imo the reggo model is reasonably priced.

>>42559823
I've got one. Like it a lot. P30 trigger in a semi-compact form factor. Very nice shooting, solid feeling gun that you can find incredibly cheap used. It's like everybody forgot about the P2k.
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Is there a way for me to determine what (third party) magazines are compatible with a 1911?

(Specifically, a Norinco 1911)
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>>42559607
he had all of them in stock.
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>>42560647
My dog eater 1911 takes GI mags just fine, but I can't speak for 3rd party mags; which ones are you looking at?
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>>42560827
There are Mec-Gar 9mm magazines I've been thinking about...
Haven't bought the 1911, just wondering what magazine options I have.
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>>42561232
Mec gar makes solid mags, I haven't personally tried them in my 1911, but I'd bet they'd work fine.
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>>42561232
the 10 round black plastic 9mm mag is finicky because it has the spacer in the front

the 9 round black/nickel mags work great because they have the spacer in the back
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>>42558095
Staccato C?
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>>42561312
>$1500

lawl
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>>42561284
>>42561310
I was looking at the 10 round magazines.

I'll fire off a few emails to places which stock the NP29.
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>>42553985
I do faggot
S&W is for cucks and nuSig is for retards
At least Laugo isnt on its knees sucking globalist dick 24/7
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>>42558972
I just transferred the Taurus' clone of the Tomcat for someone and their manual actually says may fire if shaken in it now.
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>>42561381
Taurus doesn't make a clone of the Tomcat tho.

You mean the PT22/PT25?

Because that's Double Action Only bruh. It's impossible to get the hammer to cock and release itself by shaking the pistol.

Further, I just scoured the PT22 and PT25 manuals and the words "shake" or "shaken" are not contained anywhere therein.

I even looked through the manual for the PT132, their only .32 caliber handgun (which is a new polymer framed model utterly unrelated to the Beretta Tomcat), and that manual doesn't contain the words "shake" or "shaken" either.

So what on Earth did you mean to say?

Am I a dick, or am I taking crazy pills?
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>>42561483
Look, idiot
Its in the Brasilian manuals. Your manuals don’t have it because Taurus could face legal repercussions if they left that on the US manuals.
They figure anyone stupid enough to buy that junk will not care.
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>>42560539
Do you use it to shoot?
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>>42561579
The Brazilian manuals, I should have guessed.

But literally what gun are you even talking about? There is no Taurus Tomcat clone afaik.

Also post pictures of the manual page that says whatever gun this is discharges when shaken?

And quit mixing up Brazilian and US market guns, they are literally physically not the same guns.

>>42561602
It shoot bullits gud.
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noguns thinking of buying soon. I want 2 pistols, one for ccw and one for fun at the range. is that a good idea or should i buy a rifle for the range? Im thinking cz p10c or Glock 19 for ccw and cz 75 for fun at the range
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Hey guys serious question, which one:

M&P shield 1.0 with an apex trigger
or
M&P 2.0

There are really good sales on both right now
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Is there any handgun more humble than the Browning Hi Power?
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>>42562350
I personally don't like subcompact pistols, and the 2.0 is an improvement over the gen1 M&Ps in every way so...
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>>42562323
Just buy one
Train with what you will carry and have fun with that. But its ultimately up to how much money you are willing to spend.

>>42562353
>humble
What did he mean by this?
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I don't know what I fucking want. I'll be getting my carry permit soon and should probably go that route. I live in Florida so realistically pocket carry would probably be the most comfortable. I kind of want a wheelgun because I think they're neat even if I could get a smaller autoloader with a better capacity.
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>>42563419
J Frames are GOAT pocket carry. Do it.
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>>42553826
Yeah HK website sells a better made one than GGG.
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>>42556028
Weird... I've heard the complete opposite. Necked cartridges are supposed to feed better.
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>>42563419
If you're SURE you want to pocket carry, you probably should go for a J frame wheelieboi. Most pocket sized semi-autos are questionably reliable. If I was going to pocket carry an autoloader, it would probably be a Ruger LCP II or Beretta Tomcat--but I'd probably feel better with the revolver.

That being said, IWB carrying a slim subcompact 9mm is way easier and more comfortable than you'd think, if you can bring yourself to go a little beyond pocket sizes, you'll gain a lot in shootability and might actually have fun at the range.
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>>42556028
There is literally no reason to own a gun in 357 sig
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>>42563438
What model get? Keep in mind I'm kind of poor, $400 is probably my upper limit. I was looking at the 637 or 638.
>>42563753
I've given it though and honestly I think pocket would be best for me.
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>>42563845
Also, what .38 carry ammo would be best and is it worth it to carry a speedloader or would a speed strip be fine?
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>>42563957
Speed strips are fine if you don't have the right kind of jacket pocket for a speed loader (speed loader pouches are pretty pointless).

Stick with standard bullet weights. If you go too light your point of impact might be off and a lot of snubs don't have adjustable sights so you're stuck with it. Consider a classic load like Remington semi-jacketed +P hollow point.
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does anyone here have any experience with pistol stocks/braces? The idea has intrigued me for awhile but the only firearm I own that could take one is my 1851 Navy reproduction.
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>>42562350
Depends on price.

The old Shield triggers were nowhere near as bad as the old full size triggers. Much more solid, much less mushy, just had a ton of overtravel.
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So I got back from a range yesterday after shooting a p320. I did great with it, but they are still so goddamn expensive. I was expecting them to be like 300 dollars after the whole drop test thing, but full size ones are still a lot. Not to mention magazines are still 40 dollars a pop.

Instead of that, how is the glock 17? Does it shoot about the same?
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>>42555155
Get a P99 clone
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Handled a vp9 today. Felt very good in the hand and holy crap the trigger was great. I'm rdy to buy one... thoughts?
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>>42564362
The extra money you'd spend getting the Glock to be closer to the 320 in terms of sights/trigger evens it out generally. Plus even with the improvements the Glock trigger will be worse than a stock 320.
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>>42564362
G17s are fine, but I'd be looking at S&W M&P M2.0s and CZ P10Cs while they're still in the $300s honestly.

>>42564368
imo good ergos, good not great trigger, great sights but kind of high recoil. Nice gun though, if you shoot well with one there's no reason not to buy it. Do bargain hunt though, you can get them under $500.
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What >>feels slimmer- g43 or mp shield?

I normally carry a p10c but I need to start wearing a suit daily now for work and that shit’s too thick for my taste under a jacket.
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>>42564642
check out the p365
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>>42564648
I rented it twice and didn’t care for it

I’ve shot the g43 before, not the mp shield, and my lgs doesn’t have either for rent
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vp45 when?
glocks are crude pos
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>>42555640
You stupid motherfucker, you're just as bad as the boomers who dutch load +P with standard for their defensive ammunition because they're worried about wear and tear.
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>>42564517
I felt a p10c next to the Vp9 and i've only ever held glocks and a p320 when it comes to polymer framed striker fired guns. I thought the vp9 was superior to the p10c in every department except for trigger reset which was really good on the p10c. I thought both, especially the vp9, was completely better than the many Glocks i've shot. P320 was good everywhere except ergos just werent for me.
You mentioned recoil? For what reason does the vp9 have a lot of recoil and is it more than glock 19, the only striker fired gun i've ever shot?
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>>42565136
I honestly can't explain why some guns have more recoil than very similar other guns. For example VP9s and PPQs tend to have slightly higher recoil than average, glox and M&P M2.0s tend to have slightly lower recoil than average. They're all equivalently sized striker fired polymer 9mms, but recoil varies noticeably between them. It's deus ex machina.
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>>42564737
Just get an HK45.
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>>42565577
Spring weight, maybe. Assuming I am still within a weight where my 9mm still cycles reliably, I find a heavier spring goes back softer, but comes back hard enough to make my FSP "droop". Too light and it feels like the muzzle rises more, especially with shit 115gr or 124gr.
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>>42564517
Bart, if you had to pick between a S&W M&P22 and a Taurus TX22, what would you pick?
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I got a CZ75B slide recently, rear sight is off about 1/8 of an inch. I'm considering replacing them because there's no contrast, no dots. I'm guessing because it's an older slide, apparently made in 1993. Who makes a decent sight set for them? I'm not really looking for tritium or fiber optic, just standard 3 dot. My .40 slide for my CZ75B has the standard 3 dot sights.
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Are there any aftermarket triggers for the Glock 29 that feel very similar to the travel, weight, and break of the FNS? I love the feeling of the FNS's trigger, but I want a 10mm handgun.
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everything I want is expensive, a meme, or unobtainium
USP
Mateba Model 6 Unica
Mark 23
MP 412 Rex
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Finally got my Barry Burton kit for my 96 Brigadier.
The flat hammer spring cap from Brownells comes tomorrow before I can install the grips.
The next step will be installing the new rear sight and taking out the front sight and then eventually the engravings.
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>>42566154
Between those the TX22, because the M&P 22 is made by Umarex and is skeezy. But the M&P .22 Compact is made in the US and has a much better reputation.

But the M&P .22 Compact isn't $170!

idk man, it's a tough call. The TX22 is cheaper and has a better trigger and has 2 rounds larger magazines. I mean you know what I would pick. But there's nothing wrong with and M&P .22 Compact either!

>>42566199
Most of pic related should have CZ75 pattern sights, tritium or not.

>>42566447
You're just gonna have to settle for realistic memes like an H9, VP70 or Stryk B.
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Glock G19 Gen 5 MOS
RMR06CZ p10c
FN 509 Tactical
Walther PPQ Q4 & Q5
P320 RX

I can afford any one of these. Some are more expensive than others. Is there a reason why I shouldn't just go straight for the FN 509 Tactical or do the other cheaper guns on this list offer things over the FN other than a lower price?
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>>42558027
Desert Eagle would be a pure fun gun if I ever got one myself. Can’t justify buying one in NYS, but maybe someday when I move and if I still have a a good job
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>>42566646
Dry fire each at the store or a range if you can. It may not mean shit 5000 rounds later, but might as well get the one with the most natural trigger pull for you now.
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>>42566646
The 509 is a maintenance nightmare. It also needs to be sent back to FN several times a year if regularly used.
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>>42566780
>The 509 is a maintenance nightmare. It also needs to be sent back to FN several times a year if regularly used.
The fuck? How can they get away with charging 900$ for it then?
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>>42566780
> It also needs to be sent back to FN several times a year if regularly used.
I thought they finally removed that little gem (5000 rounds, wasn't it?) from the manual last year.
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>>42555916
>3 pounds DA
Show me
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>>42553682
I don't fucking care if it looks ugly, 30 rounds is necessary
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>>42555408
Game is ridiculous. It takes around 15 7.62x39 to off a zombie, less hits from a 9mm m9 to do the same

But I'd still raw dog cv Claire because she's a real lady and I want her to be my wife and mother my children
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>>42566646
Handle them before deciding, or rent and fire if possible.

Of all those I'd pick the P10C OR because it has the best trigger, good grip texture and low recoil.
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>>42566553
Very cool. If I had the money or desire, I'd bite, too.
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>>42566553
How
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>>42566922
The kit is being made by a guy who does some sweet custom gun builds called Collector Design Werks.
He's done some really cool shit including making a Semi-Auto Beretta M93R from an original parts kit and a live-firing Robocop AUTO-9 based off of his Semi-Auto M93R Frame and parts kit.
He unfortunately isn't offering those for sale since he's not an FFL,
but one of the main things he has right now is a complete kit to build a Barry Burton Samurai Edge from a Beretta 92/96.
https://www.collectordesignwerks.com/
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>>42566646
I'd get a G34 gen 5 front serrations

The m&P core 2.0 is also surfacing

I don't care for the FN nor the Walther. The p320 x5 legion is hot right now but I'd rather have a Glock. The cz p10 series is fine.
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>>42567492
>I'd get a G34 gen 5 front serrations
G34 is too big for CC.
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Anyone have experience with a CZ kadet slide? Worth the 400 dollarydoos compared to just getting a separate 22 pistol?
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>>42564362
Factory refurb p320s are literally 350 bucks bro
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>>42553682
Why does the USP just look so... so fucking RIGHT? Makes my pickle tickle like a 92 Inox.
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>>42568038
New ones on gun.deals for 399 right now
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>>42568049
a nice balance of materials, straight edges, clean angles, a serious, proffesional look to it. the idea of it, this clean pistol that slams out 45 that is lighter than its predecessors, but can still make it with the best of em. Beloved by operators in its time and immortalised in media.
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>buy first AR
>go to /arg/ for advice
>they're all autsitically shit-flinging about a 0.5oz weight difference on a supressor

>come to /hg/
>ask for advice
>genuinely get it

sometimes I forget that this general is an enclave of reasonable non-autism in a sea of garbage. i love you, /hg/.
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New Glook
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I want another 45.

I own a couple sigs with SRTs.

what other company provides 45s with triggers just as good?
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>>42568579
CZ97 with Cajun trigger job. Have them do the bushing upgrade, too.
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>>42568586
i mean cool, but what the fuck, there isnt any ood trigger straight from the factory?
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>>42567654
Not if you carry aiwb.... It's rather easy
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>>42568601
The factory trigger is good, but a CGW single-action conversion trigger is outstanding.
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>>42566646
The trigger on the Sig P320 compact RX M17 is pretty good out of the box, but try those out at the range and see what you like best.
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>>42566843
>buying plastic toys from the salt jews
No thank you.
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>>42568579
I mean, if you're set on 45 with a good trigger why not get a 1911/2011?
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Anyone know why a South African pistol would have the magazines artificially limited to 15 rounds? As far as I can tell, South Africa doesn't have magazine capacity limits.
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>>42569068
I guess thats the logical next step..which leads to, Sig 1911 or another brand?
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>>42569333
Dan Wesson
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Anyone have experience with the subcompact XD-9?
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>>42558027
it's an iconic gun used in several famous movies. it's unique in the caliber it fires and unique in its in aesthetic and design. admittedly, it's not very practical as a firearm but that doesn't mean it's not cool as fuck and worth owning if you've got the dough.
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>>42569333
Depends on how much money you want to spend. Sig 1911s are good but not outstanding, but they're a good value for a mid-tier 1911. RIA if you want cheap, DW if you want higher end. Not really an expert on 1911s so I'll let someone else chime in
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>>42553682
Is a Shield .45 Performance Center a bad choice for carry?
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>>42553682
I actually bought it because I really like it.
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>>42566789
No clue

>>42566816
Did the gun change in any way? I doubt it.
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>>42568487
The only way to get any advice from them is state your intent for the rifle in a very clear way and a clear budget. Otherwise, they’ll just ignore you.

Also the tripfags there are idiots, except Ash. Filter them, even if you don’t frequent the thread.
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>>42563825
>There's literally no reason to have a 9mm +P++ without the actual extra pressure, with .40 magazine capacity
Ok retard. .357 SIG's only real downside is cost. Ballistically, it's quite impressive, since, again, it's just a 9mm with more powder. It ends up performing similarly to some .357 Mag 124-125gr loads out of 3-4inch barrels, which is impressive. You can have 13 rounds in a Glock 19/23 frame or P80 compact, which is only 2 less than 9mm.
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>>42571383
You can have better performance from 10mm, same capacity. Just need to deal with grip shape of a g29 (ie not be a woman).
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Know this idiot hipster that got into shooting

He went shooting once and decided to buy guns

Bought an hk usp and sig mk25 off the bat, maxing out his credit cards

Got suckered by the lgs with special forces and navy seals talk

Bought 2 $1,000+ guns he never shot before

Ended up buying the hk usp from him

Everytime he shoots my p229 enhanced elite, he whines about why he got the mk25

He paid more for the mk25 too

For the trident logo, son

For the trident logo. Lol
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>>42571431
I agree, and I own a lot of 10mm handguns. But .357 SIG goes in much more compact frames comfortably. And a Glock 29 doesn't really get 10mm's full potential. At that point you're getting pretty close to just using .40.
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9mm +p, +p+ does not equal .357 sig ballistics

Maybe if you look at really, really optimistic numbers on the box

In reality, no 124 grain 9mm load does 125 grain 1350-1400 fps like .357 sig does

Now you might not care or need the extra velocity

But dont pretend 9mm +p, +p+ has the same performance

Shoot the guns, chrono the guns irl you'll know the difference
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>>42568569
A Gen 1?
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>>42571510
Hotter 357 Sig is going 1500+ at 125gr, too. No way you're getting that out of 9mm without glocknading your gun
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>>42571807
Some guy at our range with more money than common sense brought in a box of his 9mm major he loaded to 9mm OAL. If you ignore how fucking dangerous that is for other 9mm shooters and his own hands (I don't give a flying fuck how overbuilt CZ chambers are), the chrony guys said he clocked in at just over 1450.
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>2023
>HK comes out with a 30th anniversary USP 40 Tactical and USP 9 Tactical
>this time the lower is anodized aluminum instead of polymer
>barrel and firing pin are coated in black TiN
>who gives a fuck about 40
are you buying one?
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>>42572847
Hk did a 50th anneversary USP with a blued slide.

I'm a faggot for bluing but I think it ruins the USP aesthetic.
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>>42572847
I kinda wonder why there aren't more aluminum lowers for poly guns. Theres one for glocks, but that's about it.
I guess because it requires you to be a licenced manufacturer.
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>$400 or less
>small enough to be EDC'd in Florida under a slightly loose fitting Hawaiian shirt but big enough to do competitions with (not at a serious level, just for fun and personal improvement)
>9mm or bigger
>good holster options for both IWB and OWB
Does such a gun exist?
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>>42571517
2, gen1-2 is best change my mind.
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>>42553682
How did I do guys?
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>>42573355
You can easily conceal something as big as a G34 under a fitted Hawaiian shirt if you do AIWB
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>>42573762
based
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Just bought a sig 365. Where do I go for a good holster? What's the best place to buy bulk range ammo? What's good self-defense ammo?
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I'm thinking about a usp 9mm.
Couple of questions...
1) How is the trigger? I hear mixed messages some say good others say meh. For comparison, I know what stock beretta 92fs, sig m11a1 (srt), and glock 19 triggers are like.
2) ergos... how are they? A lot of people say outdated. If it's at least as good as a glock it'll be fine. See pistols mentioned above for comparison.
3) Anything I should know before buying? I'm buying it pretty much because i've always wanted one and I want to like it a lot. Tell me if this is not a good reason to buy one.
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>>42571467
I like the mk25
But yeah paying over a thousand for it is stupid
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>>42573869
Trigger is a lot like the beretta imo, maybe a bit heavier. This can be improved and is one of the attractive features of the gun.
Ergos are good. A no nonsense design that doesnt need shit done to it or added to it.
Everyone and their mother is going to recommend the LEM trigger. I don’t recommend it, but you might want to look into it just in case it might interest you.
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>>42573869
>) How is the trigger? I hear mixed messages some say good others say meh.
Depends on the set up. I like DA/SA with the decocker, a lot of people like the LEM trigger, I think its hot garbage.


>I'm buying it pretty much because i've always wanted one and I want to like it a lot. Tell me if this is not a good reason to buy one.

This is the correct way to buy a handgun. Buy something you think looks cool and sperg at anyone who disagrees with you, especially yourself. To prevent self loathing, go to a shop and hold one first to make sure it fits your hand.
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>>42573762
Huh, never seen a Colt with that kind of serration on the slide

Neat

>>42573355
S&W M&P M2.0
CZ P10C

>>42573866
Can't answer the first question, but for the second I use SGAmmo, PSA, Aim Surplus or look on local gun forums. Good defense ammo is Federal HST or Hydra Shok, Winchester Ranger T or PDX1, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber or Hornady Critical Duty/Defense.

>>42573869
1: The trigger is meh, but that's not necessarily bad since it's a duty gun.

Compared to a Beretta 92, the USP has equal to or slightly more creep (it varies in Berettas), is a little heavier, has a much less smooth DA pull and roughly the same reset length and overtravel length.

Compared to a Sig with SRT a USP has about the same or less creep, has a reset about twice as long, about twice as much overtravel, weights are roughly the same or maybe 1/2 lb heavier on the USP, and again the USP has a much less smooth DA.

Compared to a g19 a USP's trigger has less creep, no mush, about the same overtravel length and pull weight, and a longer reset.

2: Ergos are 100% subjective--hold one and decide, we don't have your hands.

3: USPs are unjustifiably expensive. They've been in production so long that R&D hasn't factored in to their price for 25 years. I think the $400 copsurp .40s were a super great deal for a great gun, but at more like $800 retail the basic bitch USP models are a total ripoff. imo.

You can put lighter springs on a USP and a match hammer to dramatically improve its trigger, or get one of the guns that come with match parts from the factory at greater expense.
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>>42572614
With 124/125s though?
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>>42566867
Do you think Army men joust with those big floppy antennae?

Also I am happy for you and Claire.
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>>42574278
>Can't answer the first question, but for the second I use SGAmmo, PSA, Aim Surplus or look on local gun forums. Good defense ammo is Federal HST or Hydra Shok, Winchester Ranger T or PDX1, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber or Hornady Critical Duty/Defense.
Thank you fren.
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Should I get a walther ppq?
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>>42573776
But what about when I walk around with it unbuttoned?
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>>42574384
Yes
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>>42553682
My p14-45
Has a 24lb flat wire recoil spring
Full length guide rod
Buffer
Large stainless mag release
17-4 stainless firing pin
Extra power firing pin spring
1911 builders threaded barrel
Rowland stainless compensator for 460 Rowland loads in 45 super
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>>42575065
>>42553682
My p14-45
Has a 24lb flat wire recoil spring
Full length guide rod
Buffer
Large stainless mag release
17-4 stainless firing pin
Extra power firing pin spring
1911 builders threaded barrel
Rowland stainless compensator for 460 Rowland loads in 45 super
Mahsyd
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>>42574384
If you like it for some collection of reasons sure.

>>42574845
I feel like that thing would snap off and hit me in the face
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>>42553835
>>42556120
rolling
>>42557657
burd u must
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>>42553985
sour grapes
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>>42555224
Allahu akbar
>>42555133
Star
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>>42573869
1 - mediocre
2 - mediocre to bad
4 - its mediocre
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are there any pistols that lack a last round hold open like an ak?
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>>42563419
TOMCAT
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>>42574422
Well nothing is really going to stay concealed well then I guess unless it's stupidly deep AIWB, IWB, or not on your belt line
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>>42575438
Why would you actively want this

Most competition 2011's are set up this way for extra capacity and to avoid reloads on empty which can damage the ejector since there's no magazine overinsertion stop
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>>42553682
>go to gun store during lunch time
>leave with this
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>>42575478
I like unusual guns
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>>42575438
The original Ruger LCP lacks a last round hold open, that and the ass trigger were the main reasons went with a LCP II instead even though you can pick up the original LCP for like $200 now.
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>>42575324
The entire slide is what's replaced. It's part of the assembly

That extra stuff on the grip is probably battery or something I dunno
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>>42575724
>That extra stuff on the grip is probably battery or something I dunno
I think that might be the sensor that picks up the reading for where the follower is in the mag. It takes special mags to work with the counter.
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Is the Remington R1 shit?
Should I avoid at all costs?
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>>42566553
looks great
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>>42575867
No and no, but from what I've heard it's not ideal, 2 or 3 anons have had mag-related problems but iirc they fixed that by buying proper quality mags like CMC or Wilson. R1 1911s are are inxpensive though, the only competition are the filipino 1911s
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>>42573762
take a toothpick and clean all that gunk out of the slide serrations
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When the fuck are LEM triggers going to be back in stock for HK's?
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>>42575749
Oh that makes more sense
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>>42566553
Thanks for helping me find that which I did not think existed, the coveted extended slide release.

Shit is cash, way better feeling that the factory stock.
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Henlo hk general
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What handgun should I buy to let all the people at the range know how cool I am?
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What sidearm get?
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>>42576103
1911
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>>42576103
I'm going to recommend against the obvious choice of tokarev and give you the vague advice to get something with wood and steel, maybe a Hi-Power.
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What does porting 9mm's actually do? Talking about ported Glock barrels, etc. Does it produce a small benefit at all?
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>>42576065
mk23
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>>42576103
Zastava Tok
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>>42557024
Shot my Model 29 for the first time today. Absolutely loved it.
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>>42576338
Also took the 1911 out.
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>>42574845
>sci-fi tacticool mallninja slide for a Glock
>not premilled for an RMR
whose idea was this
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Ordered pic related a few days ago. Give it to me straight doc, on a scale of millhouse to over 9000, how meme is it?
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lmao forgot pic
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>>42576402
You’re gonna get varying opinions but I don’t think it’s a bad purchase overall. There are some legitimate criticisms to be made against the positioning of the cylinder but other than that it’s a unique firearm that shoots really well
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>>42566899
>>42567116
>>42575892
Was able to put on the grips and stainless grip screws today, it really turned out nice.
I'm honestly really impressed with the whole kit, he did a great job with it.
>>42576021
Yeah it is really nice, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to actually make one.
Leave it to the guy making video game replica parts to be the first to offer an actual extended slide-stop for the 92.
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>>42576421
pretty fucking gay if its in 9mm and with that laser shit on the barrel. if you got the plain model in a rimmed caliber, then its a fun gun.
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FNX45 converted to .460 Rowland or a Five Seven, which meme machine do I get?
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>>42553835
He'll do it anyway.
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>>42576529
Five Seven. Larp as a NFL player.
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>>42576103
Based on your budget I'd say the cheapest thing you can find
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>>42576103
USP
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>>42576508
I was looking for a speed shooting competition toy so 9mm makes is a lot more desirable for me. Plus 9mm is like half the price of .357mag. I agree on the laser etching, looks dumb as fuck, but it's the only 9mm rhino with a tuned trigger option.
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>>42576954
if its for competition use, then function > form.
itd be a very smooth and easy shooter, thats for sure.
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>>42576954
Should've gotten a S&W 929 then

Just have fun with it
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>>42576254
Redirects some gas upwards, reducing muzzle flip. It can provide a huge benefit depending on the gun, but can also cause malfunctions like a compensator can.

>>42576402
>>42576421
You ordered that one? With the gigantic blinding white text on the side?

I mean if it's what you want then who are we and why care what we think?

>>42576502
How much is this kit, or the other kits?

>>42575376
Doesn't work like that my man, I never agreed to it or requested the dubs suggestion
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>>42576508
>>42577011
>>42577022
But then again memegang so fuck it
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Will somebody please talk me out of a CZ Shadow 2? Anyone here have one? Your thoughts? Anyone's thoughts on it? It'd mainly be for fun not really even concerned about using it for competition.
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CZ Jericho or a Beretta?
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>>42553842
Surprisingly accurate for what it is
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>>42577022
>How much is this kit, or the other kits?
The only complete kit he has right now is the Barry Burton kit, and it's about $1500.
The standard Samurai Edge grips by themselves are about $220.
(I've currently got a set of his standard SE grips with the light blue "Jill Valentine" style medallions on my 92 Brigadier.)
He also sells the custom rear sights and slide stops separately if you want to do a standard SE build.
I'm probably going to buy the MGW rear sight tool for the Beretta 92/96 before I try installing the custom rear sights on both my Barry Burton build and Jill Valentine build.
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>>42577194
It's really good and several steps above any of the regular cz75 lineup.

As long as you don't expect to use it for carry, then go for it.

>>42577212
Beretta

>>42577292
Beretta rears are easy to change out with a punch but if you're changing the front you got sure want a pusher because of the pin
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Finally found a Jericho 941 with a slide safety, very happy with it even if it does say desert eagle on the side
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Should I get a vp9 or ppq?
I need some cold, hard, factual reasoning.
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My vote is ppq. I think walther is underrated and you get a lot for your dollar.
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>>42577292
Yoikes. That's just for the kit right, not including the gun or milling or refinishing? Crikey.

I'll just have to enjoy them vicariously through you :)

>>42577425
Neat!

>>42577513
They're too similar to reason one way or another. Go handle and shoot both and decide!

I ahve both, I love both.
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>>42577513
PPQ
>better trigger
>everything else is basically the same
>these are pretty much the same fucking gun
>get the m1 or you're a fag, paddle mag is the way to go

VP9
>It's made by H&K
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>>42577425
Congrats, they are a lot of fun to shoot. I wish mine was more reliable, but it had seen plenty of use before it got to me.
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>>42577566
Yeah it wasn't cheap, but I've wanted to do a Barry Burton style SE build for a long time,
and this might be my only chance to do it since he's only making a few of these kits.
Gun was $425 and it's about another $450 for the engravings and refinishing.
So when it's all said and done it will have been around $2500.
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Anyone have an Arcus 94?
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>>42577566
>>42577586

Thanks, looking forward to shooting it!
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>>42577567
I handled a vp9 at a gun store and thought the trigger was amazing. Is the ppq actually better?because if so it must be crazy good.
I like the hk brand and aesthetic more but the big thing seperating them is service and reliability.
Vp9 appears to be used by quite a lot of various police departments and even gsg9.
Ppq is used by only 1 chinese police department which is very surprising and kinda a turn off for me.
>Using Wikipedia as source for this btw
It looks like the ppq is more built for military standards though, as its done very well in reliability tests, the Vp9 on the other hand did poorly in the notorious Mac tests 3 times but quite well in some other tests.
Is this reliability a genuine concern or just kinda bs? I know I will never put my gun through that stuff but I don't want something that can't take what almost all modern handguns can take.
Why doesn't the ppq have more contracts?
Is the Vp9 combat/duty durable?
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>>42577655
Well, I'm the guy who wrote the post you're responding to and I carry a vp9sk. So, there's that.
>trigger
The PPQ has an incredible trigger. A little too good for a carry gun in my opinion.
>MAC test
I don't really believe MAC is lying, but everyone else who has attempted to replicate the failure has failed from what I've seen so I really wouldn't worry about it. I mean, clearly, I don't, cause I still carry mine. So far I have managed not to throw my pistol into any ponds too.
>PPQ doesn't have contracts
It's essentially the same as the p99, which has numerous contracts
>is the vp9 combat/duty reliable
Mine has never had a single failure.
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Decent cheap plinker desu
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>>42577865
I would have gone for an acog personally
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>grampa tim didn't like my q5 steel frame
I guess I have to sell it and make fun of it openly now. :(
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>Desert Eagle
or
>Widley Survivor

Which one would you pick, anon? and why?
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>>42578542
A U T O M A G
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Do fake guns work just for practice? I don't have time to go to the range all day and I'm too cheap to burn thousands of bullets trying to train. How do I gitgud at home?
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>>42575483
A big iron, eh?
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>>42576103
Tok
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>>42576421
I like it
But since I don’t particularly trust these guns or Chiappa as a manufacturer...
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>>42577022
Does 9nm produce enough gas to be effective in this? Coming from a pcc perspective where my understanding is that muzzle brakes and flash hiders are marginally effective just due to 9mn not producing much gas, etc. Granted that's for longer barrels, so I could be confused
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Is the SCCY shit?
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>>42579081
Yes
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>>42578510
That was such a goofball video. I'm not saying Walther's SF is going to dethrone the Shadow 2, but at least use a production legal CZ for comparison. Maybe Tim only shoots limited minor or something.

I do think the Walther SF and the Sig X5 are just race guns for people who already shoot their triggers. My local production matches are so heavily CZ and Tanfo at that I think it might be a cult.
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>>42577655
>I don't want something that can't take what almost all modern handguns can take.
My $.02 is to ask around at your range's rental desk and find out how often they have to service their various pistols, how many rounds they see them go before a part broke, and which part was it that broke.

The hardiest pistol in the world ain't worth shit to you in that moment if it just snapped a trigger return spring.
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>looking for a new handgun
There are too many options, I hate this.
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>>42579695
M&P 9 2.0 threaded
>reasonable price of 600, not expensive out the ass like other pistols of its quality
>interchangeable grips
>great trigger
>17 + 1
>looks kind of like a USP
>American made
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>>42576254
There's a good bit of research out there- recoil jig found factory porting the barrel on a Glock reduced recoil by something like 30%, 8% of which was a result of the loss in usable barrel length and only reduced fps by 50 or so.
So, shockingly well.
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>>42577194
Sorry Anon, it's a great gun. You can buy a base model cz and get the CGW kit with some other tweaks to save a bit of money and get something really close to it.
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>>42579795
Actually, the 4" is on the list of guns I'm looking at.
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is anyone ever going to tell Chiappa that the rhino would look better without the slope
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>>42578705
I'd say yes since Big Brass doesn't have a ring to it. For $25, fuck it why not?
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>>42558248
>but the eagle isn't practical
That’s the point
Style > everything else
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>>42558248
>i hear eagle rounds hurt your arm like a bitch as well?
It doesn't. Just thought I'd mention that before the thread dies.



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