>Washington has okayed the sale of $2.2 billion in weapons, including missiles and tanks, to Taiwan. The decision outraged Beijing, which accused Washington of interfering in its relations with its wayward province.>Now, Beijing is moving ahead with an unprecedented provocation: China's Foreign Ministry Spokesman Geng Shuang said in a statement that Beijing intends to impose sanctions on American companies selling arms to Taiwan.>That list likely includes most of the major American defense contractors, particularly General Dynamics, the maker of the Abrams tank, and Raytheon, maker of the Stinger missile - two of the armaments being purchased by Taiwan.https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-12/china-sanction-american-defense-contractors-who-sell-arms-taiwan
>>42017726Impressive. With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese monocrystal turbines, plasma stealth technology, quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns, these will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative tot the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
Taiwan really doesn't like China acting as their overlord huh.
>>42017829*Dissects minority member to gove party member new organ*
China btfo. Would be funny to see the U.S. propose UN and NATO sanctions against china for their blatant transgressions to the west, and Taiwan.
>>42017869>NATO >sanctionYou’re retarded.
>>42017726Good luck with that.
>>42017726What's the point? General Dynamics doesn't do business with countries that aren't either the US or best friends of the US.
>>42017726>Be brony nigger>Also be Chink shill
>>42018177They have subsidiaries that have business stakes in China.Maybe China will arrest some of their CFOs as well.
>>42017726Get blown out, Chang. Hey, you think those sanctions will stop the rampant theft of intellectual property in the mad hope they can compete?No, it won't, because all they can do is steal.Not all bad though, maybe they'll steal an escalator design that doesn't eat people.
>>42018199Sanctions mean that Americans get arrested in China and your companies assets seized. China will also pressure their vassals like Cambodia and Thailand to arrest and extradite American managers.
>>42018195No they don't you stupid Chink. General Dynamics does not sell military equipment to China.
>>42018210>China will also pressure their vassals like Cambodia and Thailand to arrest and extradite American managers.You wish. Maybe we'll rape that Chink CEO bitch to death for you.
BASEDARREST AMERICAN CFOs AND SENTENCE THEM TO DEATH
>>42018222Fairly certain you'd see a "regime change" were that to happen.
Based.I hope China kills Apple and Boeing
>>42017874>He doesn't know about the NATO Pacific Fleet.
This is the first time American companies have been sanctioned by someone... So, how does it feel, mutts?
>>42018383Honestly I couldn't even give half a dog turd.
>>42018233This but unironically.
>>42018177>What's the point? General Dynamics doesn't do business with countries that aren't either the US or best friends of the US.You can be almost certain they're dumb enough to source various things from chinese suppliers.
>>42018966>MUH CAPITALISM FUCK YOU SOCIALISTFASCISTNAZICOMMIE>Oh, why is America dependent on Chinese suppliers?Americans never learn. They literally never learn.
>>42018966I doubt it. Having defense equipment supply sources in the US is one of the things the DOD actually cares deeply about
>>42019062No shit. I miss being able to buy shoes that stay intact and electronics that work more than twice.
>>42018177lol you stupid mutt. They will sanction any company that does business with those 2 directly or in directly. So say, if Airbus sources something from General Dynamics, they will either have to terminate business or get fucked too.
>>42018229We need to have that anyway. Might be a good excuse.
>>42019536I wonder how that will effect the Chinese economy
The dragon fears the giant's sword.龍害怕巨人的劍
>>42019536Airbus is not going to terminate business relationships with the largest aerospace industry in the world because chinks are butthurt you dumb nigger
US abuses their power and superpower status by putting sanctions everywhere and never gets any punishment for their own wrongdoings.Now this is payback.Its the first time another country has put sanctions on the US. Welcome to the post American world order
>>42020118And China is the largest Airbus market BY FARWhat is more important to a company? Paying customers on which your entire company relies on? Or a competitor in the US who bends the rules so that their accident prone shitcans are allowed to fly?
>>42020710Oh no, what will we do when Raytheon and GD can't sell their products to China? As we all know, that's a huge market for American defense firms.
>China makes it harder for itself to acquire equipment and technology that it would just copyK.
>implying they would sell anything to the ChiComs in the first place
>>42018199>"Maybe they'll steal an escalator design that doesn't eat people." Fucking kek
>>42020744You would be surprised how many civilian subcontractors and suppliers your favorite MIC champion has which are vulnerable to Chinese sanctions.
>>42019062>basing your argument on something that hasn't been established as fact
>>42020761Laugh now westerner, for soon, the golden age of Chinese inclined transport technology will be upon us all.
>>42020765Care to elaborate?
>>42020710>toothless sanctionsoh no!
>>42017726Kek Chang is SEETHING. Taiwan is finally upgrading to actual modern tanks, get fucked chinks
>>42020899>Taiwan is finally getting an upgrade of semi-static pill-boxes that will get rekt during the first hour of invasion
>>42020899We should let them develop nukes again. Apparently, they got pretty close before the US stepped in to stop them.
>>42017726I don't know how that even works or makes sense. Taiwan is an independent nation not owned by China.
>>42020923kek i mean it's a tank on an island anon. of course they would use it for fire support lmao. anything is better than the pattons or whatever they have rn
>>42020923You know what would be useful to oppose an amphibious assault comprised of light armor?
>>42020899>Kek Chang is SEETHING.It is the natural state of being a subhuman after all, always barking upward at their betters.
>>420210191 or 2 Virginia classes lobbing ADCAPs at the Chinese invasion fleet?
>>42020923Actual armor that is dug-in would be a bitch to deal with during a landing. Light, amphibious, armor is not going to get ashore and win against an MBT. The way to deal with those defenders would be heavy bombardment which could result in civilian casualties. The Abrams is also a fast tank so it can move from one position to another. If a Chinese landing starts to gain a foothold then the tanks can be moved back to another defense line or push for a counterattack.
>>42021062Taiwan has zero chance of getting US SSNs, not that they could even afford them in the first place. IIRC Electric boat is helping them to design a diesel submarine.>>42021075Good post.
>>42021103I was suggesting the US place assets once they notice the buildup. While the strait is fairly shallow, Chinese ASW has lagged behind the rest of their naval development.
>>42020927Taiwan having nukes would be an epic meme desu, make it happen.
>>42021019>>42021075>implying China would use armor to deal with armorChina has studied US operations enough to know that something called airstrikes and sensor fuzed cluster munitions are the bane of semi-static tank pillboxes. And other tanks for that matter as well.
>>42021134This, Japan as well.
>>42021134Taiwan having nukes means no Taiwan anymore.China has a saying; "we want the islands, not the people".
>>42021137>something called airstrikes and sensor fuzed cluster munitions are the bane of semi-static tank pillboxesA few things: China would not be able to establish air superiority over Taiwan for a while, never if there was a CBG parked nearby.I would imagine Taiwanese tankers are a cut above braindead Iraqis, and would use tanks properly.>And other tanks for that matter as wellWe're referring to the initial amphibious landing, where heavy armor would not be present in anything other than piecemeal numbers.
>>42021174Pretty sure a nuclear deterrent would at least be enough to give the Chinese pause about attempting to invade. The density of most Chinese cities and industrial infrastructure makes them abnormally vulnerable to small amounts of nuclear weapons.
>>42021184im betting the minute any conflic breaks out in the SCC taiwan is going to be accepting a shitton of US Navy F-18's and E/F-18's ready for ASuW and ASW
>>42021225China still has roughly 40% of its population living in rural areas. Big cities are vulnerable, but it means no genocide for China compared to Japan, Taiwan, US.
>>42021184China would easily gain even air supremacy over Taiwan. The island itself is literally within S-400 range and CSGs wouldnt dare to park themselves inside the Strait or anywhere near it due to the masses of shore based AShMs, let alone naval bomber regiments, SSKs and ASBMs.Taiwan is literally dead meat the moment China begins their invasion.
>>42021137Could China get enough strike aircraft over Taiwan to hit them and overcome air defenses? Can they have aircraft on station that can loiter and then fly strikes that become needed during ground action (The US achieves this with carriers).Preliminary air attacks before an invasion may not always work and as far as I know, one has not been tried without also having stealth aircraft that could bypass the defense networks. Conventional planes trying to fly into a defended airspace would suffer losses.
>>42021254https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67BZ1T0ehUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr0s2t9uG5AI hate the fact that I'm linking Binkov here, but he does bring hard numbers to what has otherwise been an entirely subjective conversation. Even in a scenario where the US remains uninvolved for some reason, Taiwan has the potential to be an immensely tough nut to crack.
>>42021254>The island itself is literally within S-400 rangeDon't use theoretical numbers against non-maneuvering, high altitude targets to judge effectiveness against modern fighters.>CSGs wouldnt dare to park themselves inside the StraitWhy would they be in the strait?
>>42018222How many dual use technology transfers did the US corporations facilitate? They are traitorous profiteers.Would love to see some Loral executives imprisoned in China.
>>42021326>Why would they be in the strait?Because uninformed people tend to assume that US Naval planners intend to park ships, whose entire purpose is to take the fighting far away from the ship itself, within visual range of the enemy.
>>42019247Absolutely. Ever worked with some older 80's era Hewlett Packard or Tektronix test and measurement electronics? Built like tanks here in the USA. I have an old Kaypro PC clone running DOS 5 with a 20 MB mfm hard drive that still boots up.8087 math coprocessor too.
>>42021137Any Chinese strike on Taiwan needs to be fast>to prevent foreign powers intervening in one way or another Given time, China could overwhelm anything Taiwan gets or does. The purpose is to buy time.
Who would support Taiwan if the mainland invaded?
>>42021423Define "support">Soft supportMost of the West. >Hard supportMaybe America (and then the Bongs), maaaybe Japan.
>China continues to shit on it's won economy.
>>42021444As in actually fight alongside. Sending material aid won't matter much if it gets caught in a blockade or sunk. In the unlikely event China actually tried to invade and occupy, Taiwan would need decisive military support quickly enough to repel the Chinese invasion and to destroy enough equipment that another one would not be possible. To basically give the Chinese a bloody nose and keep them contained on the mainland- because a land war into China itself is not something anyone wants.
>>42021238>China still has roughly 40% of its population living in rural areas.Yes, and they would effectively be back to the 1800s in living standards with largely non existing heavy infrastructure and industries.As a modern nation China would cease to exist.
>>42021423Take a wild fucking guess.
>>42017726good thing China has no say over our interaction with Taiwan
>General Dynamics>Raytheon>stakes in chinaWhat?I get maybe they source some things from there, but don’t the chinese make most of their own systems and hardware domestically?
>>42021075>The way to deal with those defenders would be heavy bombardment which could result in civilian casualtiesi... don't think china cares very highly about that
>>42020710Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself.
>>42020710As usual, China does something that causes them immense asshurt and thinks doing it in return will have the same effect.>Someone sails a warship through the South China Sea or Taiwan Strait (international waters), China REEEEs and starts issuing statements or dis-inviting nations from events>China sails some warships near Guam (international waters), nobody gives a shit and it doesn't even make the newsThe fact they try to keep matching what it done to them show that what is being done is working. >>42021632Then they would be facing a very defiant population. Which they would be anyway, but there's a difference between civil disobedience and armed uprising. If the Chinese military didn't show care for life then the Taiwanese would be pretty much force to fight to an end. To where the island is destroyed or where the UN / NATO steps in and takes an active role in the fighting.
>>42021796If the US doesn't step in Taiwan is toast either way
>>42021796You realize that a large number of the taiwanese pop is pro PRC do you?
>>42017726Fuck China, let them to convince us to bring manufacturing back home
>>42021844Not if the PLA's warships and aircraft bomb the infrastructure to shit and kill a bunch of civies. That can turn loyalties very quickly.
>>42021852That makes no sense.
In this thread: Chang doesn’t understand sanctions
>>42018195>>42018217If China keeps claiming Taiwan is China, by Chinese logic, the US selling military equipment to China.Why do the Chinese get upset the USA is selling relevant military equipment to China? China should stop China from buying it. Sounds like China has a China problem.
>>42021876generally speaking, most people stop being pro-government when the government starts bombing the shit out of you
>>42021876It does, you are just retarded.
>>42021876Why would a group remain pro-[the country that is bombing them]? Which is what people were saying earlier about how tanks would be useful in a war. Because they can move to different environments and types of fighting, but the answer given was that the PLA would use heavy bombardment. Which could result in civilian casualties depending on the area. If a large part of Taiwan is pro-PRC, would that sentiment survive if a war kicked off and they were being directly affected by it?
>>42021134as well as Cuba and Venezuela ;)
>>42021938i don't think they would carechina plays the long game
>>42018383Well it feels like nothing, honestly.What should it feel like?
>>42021238Yeah those rural people will : 1. Be completely useless living like Amish 2. Starve to death.
>>42021270I'm skeptical of their ability to coordinate them but the majority of China's airforce is still J-7s that are basically rigged to be suicide strike craft to this effect. Like an aerial human wave attack.
>>42022399Taiwan has a metric fuckton low tier sams specifically designed to counter that threat.They are getting more now too, with the arms sale.
>>42021444White Ausfag here. I worked with maybe 10-15 Taiwanese tweakers for 10 years in the early 2000's. They were the softest, gentle boys, who cared more for their hairstyle than their country. They took me to Taiwan twice, about 1 month total. Met one army friend of theirs. He was a "technician of heavy weapons", or so they said. He could pass as a k-pop idol faggot without trouble.From my limited experience, Taiwan needs actual men, as much as anything else. Ausfag shitposting aside, how relevant is my experience to the truth?
>>42022667Most of the Taiwanese soldiers i've met were pretty hardcore, especially the ROCMC. To be sure there are always pooftas in every service, but most of the experience I've had with Taiwanese soldiers paints them as effective and efficient.t.Mutt born in Taipei
>>42017748>implying I use a german proxy
>>42022789Thankyou, attentive Taiwanese born Mutt. Your answer is a relief. I don't want to see China succeed in any conquests of actual populated land.
>>42022667most of the taiwanese dudes you see outside of taiwan are the people who left to avoid mandatory military servicethough they just recently did away with mandatory military service
>>42023244That explains a lot, thanks. So there's a sizeable proportion who remained and would put up a good fight?
>>42023309i wouldn't know enough to comment on how they would react, but they ones that remained are either not opposed to military training and/or didn't have the means to move overseas to escape mandatory service
>>42021254>>42021254>China would easily gain even air supremacy over Taiwan
>>42024434if the us doesn't intervene, yeah they'd have air supremacy pretty early onthe entirety of the taiwan defense plan is holding out long enough for the us to intervene
>>42018383it feels like an ant is trying to defy my boot.
>>42017726>china trying to sanction two companies that never sold anything to them anywaysthe seethe is palpable
>>42017869>Hey UN, I think we should sanction China, does everyone on the security council agree?
>>42021184>China would not be able to establish air superiority over Taiwan for a whileChina would definitely be maintain local air superiority for certain windows. >never if there was a CBG parked nearby.You are sorely mistaken if you think the US will only sortie one CSG to intervene>We're referring to the initial amphibious landing, where heavy armor would not be present in anything other than piecemeal numbers.This is incorrect. The ROC will be throwing mechanized brigade sized elements in first and second wave counter attacks, within 60-90 minutes of the first forces arriving ashore. The ROC wants to wipe out the beach heads when they PLA is at small battalion sized pockets across the beaches, about 500 strong each. I don't think this thread understands what the sheer scope of the ROCs response will be.>In the early hours of Z-Day+1, the shadowy scene would light up with explosions and flares. It is anticipated that strategic rapid reaction units (the 66th and 99th Marine brigades), armor, self propelled artillery, and helicopter gunships would come streaming down out of the hills and the cities, followed by multitudes of infantrymen, who would wash over the invaders like a human tsumani. Airborne assault troops would drop right on top of the astonished enemy, landed by parachute or Blackhawk. Special forces teams, highly proficient at night fighting, would plunge behind PLA lines from the land, air, and sea. Others would emerge from tunnels and urban hide-sites." from The Chinese Invasion Threat: Taiwan's Defense and American Strategy in Asia, Project 2049 Institute, page 230. Quoting Liu Ching-chong, "Discussion on Application of Mechanized Infantry Units in Future Defense Operations" ROC Army Journal no. 54 Vol 529 (June 2013)This isn't speaking on the contributions of the US led multinational coalition that WILL respond>>42021231negative>>42021277Binkov is in way over his head in this topic
>>42021254>China would easily gain even air supremacy over Taiwan.Im not too sure about that, having 200 F-16 Block 70s that are suppose to hunker down for most the shelling that would occur a week before, 22 PAC-3 batteries, and 6-10 batteries of Sky-Bows (Domestic PAC-3s essentially) would make it immensely difficult to operate over Taiwan.>The island itself is literally within S-400 range and CSGs wouldnt dare to park themselves inside the Strait or anywhere near it due to the masses of shore based AShMs, let alone naval bomber regiments, SSKs and ASBMs.The mere presence of multiple (yes multiple, cause you got me fucked up if you think the USN is sending no less than 3) operating within the vicinity of Taiwan would take a large percentage of munitions that would be used against Taiwan to be redirected to US/Western assets. This plays to the Wests advantage, not the PRCs >>42021423>Who would support Taiwan if the mainland invaded?The UN. Anyone who says otherwise is objectively wrong.>>42021444The United States, Japan, South Korea, and Japan would automatically fault to directly intervening.>Japan receives 90 percent of its oil imports, 99 percent of its mineral resources, and 100 percent of its nuclear fuel needs from ships that travel across these sea lanes. In total, 00 million tons of Japanese imports bass by Taiwanese waters each year, with 80% of all Japans container ships traveling right through the Strait, equivalent of one Japanese cargo Ship every 10 minutes>>42021518The United States would have, at minimum, two months of notice before the crisis went kinetic.
>>42025304>The United States, Japan, South Korea, and Japan would automatically fault to directly intervening.Most of the world economy has a vested interest in seeing Taiwan's exports go uninterrupted. Given the amount of semiconductors produced by Taiwan, any country with a technology industry will see some benefit in helping defend them, especially if they believe the US-led coalition has a chance of winning.
>>42025304I meant and Australia, few spelling and grammar mistakes in my two posts but I'm tired.>>42025350Yes. Anyone who thinks that the United States would be the only country to directly intervene has not taken actual time to read into the topic at hand past shallow youtube videos.A Taiwan Invasion flash point would be the defining event of the 21st Century, or would be the catalyst for the first near peer conflict since 1939.
Flying Tigers 2.0 when?
>>42025304>>42025350>>42025391the US cannot even get the UK to ban Huawei lol.Think about that.also>Korea fights along side with Japan or even lets Japanese military assets passing through its territorytop kek. https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/may/how-we-lost-great-pacific-war"The memorial services had finally run their course. Neither of the carriers lost had been homeported at Pearl, but the toll among the destroyers had been more than enough to cast a pall across the island. Having exhausted all the means available and failed, mourning seemed the fleet’s remaining task. That and reflection, the admiral thought, as he regarded the letter in his hand—his reflections on where all this could have been averted.At least for the moment the ceasefire was holding . . . not that the fleet had much left to challenge it with anymore."
>>42025950>the US cannot even get the UK to ban Huawei lolCompletely irrelevant to a Taiwan Strait flashpoing and has nothing to do with the point Im making.>>Korea fights along side with Japan or even lets Japanese military assets passing through its territory>lol dude South Korea and Japan will just let their entire economy be held at gun point by China>what do you mean China literally invaded South Korea in the 50s>what do you mean South Korea is doing exerises with the JMSDF and USN in Surface Action GroupsAnd wow, congratulations, you just posted a USNI blog that is calling the Pentagon and the US Govt. to wakw up to great power competition and to properly fund tbe militaryWhich is happening, which you would know if you even read the articles that the website you linked published. Or are you trying to imply that, that blogpost was implying the US willl lose the Pacific? Because if thats the case you completely missed the point the article was trying to make.
>>42021519i can only get so erect.
>>42021983gotta stop them from starving first
Uh oh. China's made the mistake of confusing our haphazard and childish political system with our very fucking serious military industrial complex.
>>42025174>China would definitely be maintain local air superiority for certain windows. Maybe, but with F-16Vs and PAC-3 it wouldn't happen consistantly across the island for a long while.>This is incorrect. The ROC will be throwing mechanized brigade sized elements in first and second wave counter attacks, within 60-90 minutes of the first forces arriving ashore. The ROC wants to wipe out the beach heads when they PLA is at small battalion sized pockets across the beaches, about 500 strong each. I don't think this thread understands what the sheer scope of the ROCs response will be.I was talking about the PRC having MBTs during the initial stage of the invasion, since that's what the other guy said.
>>42017726Cool, China will have to stick to their shitty knock-offs while Real China(TM) can get our hardware. Why do we even want to sell weapons to our most likely future enemy #1?
>>42018966This would be a good time to start investing in US manufacturing again!
>>42026962Speaking of MIC, our SECDEF Mark Esper used to work as a top executive/lobbyist for Raytheon. Why the fuck is this shit allowed? Say, you don't think he'll give preferential contracts worth billions of tax payer dollars to the corporation that pays his pension do you? We've become a nation of weak willed individuals. Our country is ran by the corporate elite with the government being merely subservient puppets that represent their interests. Gone are the days of Rome or the French/American revolutions where we fought and killed tyrants. The powers that be will continue to consolidate power and erode our rights until we are ultimately disarmed. There will be no set piece armed revolution. Only slow inevitable descent into further tyranny.
>>42026053Yep. Imagine thinking the Korean will let the Japanese use their territory to conduct warfare. Imagine someone actually imagining the Korea will allow themselves to be the shield protecting the Japanese from Chinese retaliations. Or the Japanese make their homeland legitimate targets to back up the Koreans.That’s cute. But lmao And yes I read the entire article. Did you? The author didn’t ask for more funding at all. And what the US was doing since the essay was written (2015) was exactly what he feared would happen.The sweet thing is the US cannot do anything else because all allies in that region were bought.
>>42017726Taiwan is best China
>>42027128>the days of Rome or the French/American revolutions Those were always plays by the rich and other countries looking to sow disorder or gain power. Pretty much ever successful revolution in history has had a huge amount of outside support.
>>42027128Wow, a guy that was in the military for 20 years and knows how to work with defense contractors is SecDef now. Stop the fucking presses.
>>42019075>I doubt it. Having defense equipment supply sources in the US is one of the things the DOD actually cares deeply aboutThey always make the same mistake, raytheon will build something built from parts that are made in america. Said component will be assembled in america but made from further non-military sub components made in china. Some chinese company is making PCBs for UK F-35s.
>>42017829Dons't china still use ramps on their aircraft carriers?
>>42021887Reminds me of the "Holocaust never happened but it should happen again" Paradox. Very similar to the "nazi's were liberal socialists, but actually nazi's didn't do anything wrong, but actually antifa are the real nazi's" argument.
>>42027423>Imagine thinking the Korean will let the Japanese use their territory to conduct warfare.Why the hell would Japan deploy forces in Korea in a Taiwan flashpoint?>Imagine someone actually imagining the Korea will allow themselves to be the shield protecting the Japanese from Chinese retaliations.What?>Or the Japanese make their homeland legitimate targets to back up the Koreans.Well since US bases in Japan, and possibly Korea, will be attacked in a Taiwan flashpoint, theres good chance that both nations will be inclined to work together under US leadership, since, you know, neither want Taiwan to fall and have their entire economy held at gunpoint, which will happen if Taiwan falls. >And what the US was doing since the essay was written (2015) was exactly what he feared would happen.And what is that?>The sweet thing is the US cannot do anything else because all allies in that region were bought.4/10The free world doesnt rally behind the United States because theyre paid off to be. Don't know how you can act like you have a grasp on geopolitics and genuinely think that, but you're probably a troll like the rest of this godforsaken board.Pic related
>>42027655>Some chinese company is making PCBs for UK F-35s.Proofs
>>42022399>human wave They're actually automating all their old cold war shit into suicide drones, since they're one of the few countries that actually fabricate their own chipsets for their military.https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/01/08/meet-chinas-new-old-killer-drones/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-5#Current_operatorsThey're replacing the cannons with control pods and new avionics. Several hundred of these will keep Taiwan and the 7th fleet that much more stretched, a few might even get through and hit something.
>>42028152oh you think if Japan and Korea interfere with Chinese invasion, the PLA will just sit back and shrug? And no, they won't stick their heads out for Taiwan.>rally behind muh freedomYou are the kind of people that thought Vietnam would have helped further the Chinese agenda in SEA and that Cambodia and Vietnam would get along because muh communism.Next you are going to tell me, the Turks and the Russians are going to get along because dictatorship and shit.I know your country is less than 300 year old but at least gain some perspective when talking about geopolitics and history.
>>42029319>if japan and korea intervenes in taiwain then china will attack them back>this is a shocking revelation to zhuang
>>42028383>try and shoot down suicide drones>get hit by anti ship missiles from active aircraft>try and hit aircraft>get kamikazed by suicide droneschina really is unstoppable. i dont see how anyone could get around that without taking crippling losses
>>42029578and as pointed out in >>42029319 theyre already surpassing everyone in tonnage, and they can keep that up forever thanks to their command economy. the Chinese century really isnt a meme, is it?
>>42020799china rules the tech industry, so what they say goes. if they say not to do business with america, anyone who uses any form of higher computing will comply because they dont want to get fucked by having their supply cut.
>>42029319Lol, China only has 30 blue water ships and 2 carriers, one of which was a re-purposed pleasure liner.
>>42021238but all of the leadership lives in the cities, and as we all know, any countries leadership is more important than its people
>>42029636>"i-its only a single carrier">"i-its only two destroyers at once">"i-its only two carriers"five years later>"i-its only twenty carriers and 100 destroyers, w-we still make better ships A-America STRONK" lmao, american naval dominance is at its end and all you can do is cry
>>42025174>China would definitely be maintain local air superiority for certain windows.That's implying that China's neighbors don't get involved. Not to mention America.>>42029673>CCP STRONK>Can't even hold a defend a base from a bunch of niggers with rusty AK's>Only has access to one naval trade route (South China Sea)>Can't even project naval power to the Singapore Straight>Can't even leave the Yellow sea since they would instantly get fucked by Korea and Japan.>>42029632Lolhttps://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3017110/samsung-and-other-south-korean-firms-exodus-china-examplehttps://www.plantservices.com/industrynews/2019/manufacturers-are-leaving-china-but-they-are-not-returning-to-the-us/https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/07/30/trade-war-casualties-factories-shifting-out-of-china/#519e7de4103ehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkins/2019/07/09/worlds-wealthiest-get-poorer-as-china-leads-2-trillion-global-wealth-write-off/#249b06883930
>>42024820I've always thought that alone makes the UN pointless. >>42025019Yes, the security council can authorize sanctions
>>42026962>confusing our haphazard and childish political system with our very fucking serious military industrial complexI feel like every country that's started a war with the US does this.
>>42027680Well, they tried using escalators, but that went about as well as you'd expect. Unpowered ramps are much less likely to chew up an aircraft and its pilot.
>>42030507>that alone makes the UN pointlessOn the contrary, that alone is the only reason the great powers allow the UN to exist. If UNSC members couldn't retain the right to veto things they didn't like, they wouldn't agree to work with the system at all.
>>42017726US defense contractors can no longer buy Chinese material and equipment?This is a win for America. I work for a big contractor and they buy an alarming amount of stuff from China.
>>42021844Sez you, commie.If they were pro-PRC they'd be in the PRC.
Imperial Japan resorts to Kamikaze tactics and everyone understand because they were desperate and could no longer carry out conventional attacks.China plans to use kamikaze tactics (with drones) and everyone acts like it's some genius plan. Those tactics didn't overwhelm AA defenses in the 1940s and they won't now. Some will get through and make hits but in the end it's just wasting resources that may be needed later even if they are second rate.
>>42029599nice dubs but know. Theres way more to this then they have drones we they won.
>>42030806Yeah, a one way suicide drone, that operates almost fully autonomously after launch, with a rocket or turbine motor and a HE payload... one could almost call them missilles
>>42017726Perfect! we need to buy less defense related stuff from them.
>>42029578Nothing is clear and dry like that in combat, war is not scissors/stone/paper games. If you believe what you posted please wait till you graduate high school to post on this subject again.
>>42030806Except it did overwhelm the defense. And the Jap didn’t run out of planes. They ran out of pilots.Think about it
>>42029599Command economies are still subject to rules of economics. Also their country is going to shit with pollution and breakdown of farm land, no machine tool factory will fill your empty belly if there is not grain to be had. China is already having to force farmers to produce more grain because food short falls keep happening.
Pretty sure that GD and RTN don’t give a fuck what China sanctions. $2bil arms sale and the support that follows is worth some meaningless sanctions.
>>42029846Reminder that China doesn't need 12 carrier groups to maintain naval dominance in the pacificAlso the idea that NATO outside the UK is going to side with the US because of some ill conceived attachment to muh western civilization rather than sticking to their economic interests in eurasia and Africa is total nonsense and typical american delusion when it comes to foreign policy
>>42030924China is in an incredibly precarious situation food security-wise. Besides the issues you mentioned, nearly all of China’s agricultural heartland is located in a single centralized region. Obviously they’ll have other concerns if a war escalates to the point of destroying farmland, but they’re in a much worse position than the US in that regard.
>>42031032Well, the frogs sailed some frigates through the straits a couple months ago and got uninvited from the Chinese fleet review for it. Between Britain and France, those are the only 2 relevant western militaries outside the US anyway.
>>42020722>And China is the largest Airbus market BY FARSo what you are saying is that Chinese airlines are going to lose access to a major source of aircraft?Great for them i guess.
>>42017869>US propose UN sanction against Chinakek. Found the retard. China has veto power.
>>42029319>oh you think if Japan and Korea interfere with Chinese invasion, the PLA will just sit back and shrug?This is so stupid I don't know where to start. If Taiwan is invaded, the US will respond, which means that China will have to attack Kadena, Sasebo, and Yokosuka, preferably preemptively. Are you really gonna try to argue that Japan would stay out of a conflict that they already have TREMENDOUS incentive to intervene in, where their closest and most intimate ally is already intervening in, even after China attacks the Japanese mainland? Really?>You are the kind of people that thought Vietnam would have helped further the Chinese agenda in SEA and that Cambodia and Vietnam would get along because muh communism.We are talking about the plausibility of Japan and South Korea intervening in a Taiwan Flash point, but lets focus on Japan. You really do not think Japan would intervene on Taiwans behalf?>I know your country is less than 300 year old but at least gain some perspective when talking about geopolitics and history.where are you from?You are aware that China won't out tonnage the USN for the next 25+ years even not factoring the US's resurgence as a naval shipbuilder? China still has a very small blue water navy.>>42029846I meant it in the sense that China will be able to surge enough forces over Taiwan for temporary windows of aerial superiority, not supremacy, nor dominance. They plan to throw around 1500 aircraft to the conflict, 1000ish of which will be 4th gens, the United States will not be able to have 24/7 coverage over Taiwan. Dual CSG or not, allied air forces will definitely be of assistance. For most reports and studies I read on a Taiwan Flash point never really factor in allied coalitions, only the US.
>>42033951>You are aware that China won't out tonnage the USN for the next 25+ years even not factoring the US's resurgence as a naval shipbuilder? China still has a very small blue water navy.This. Even if the US just decides to not grow its fleet at all for the next few decades, which is obviously unlikely, China has a long way to go.
>>42031248>this level of delusion
>>42031032many NATO countries already are siding with the US. pay attention in class.
>>42034013>China doesn't have a long history of famine
>>42017726US defense contractors have been forbidden to do business with Beijing since 1989, there is no way these sanctions are in any way effective lol.
Quick facts:If China attacks Taiwan in the next 30 years (beyond this who the fuck knows):>Hong Kong Rebels>US, UK, AUS/NZ, Japan, SK all get involved for TaiwanWhat no one expects is>India immediately pushes against china in the Kashmir/ moves for free Tibet and reinstating the Dalai lama>US mid-east allies/India immediately cut off China's access to African markets. China relies on them more than you'd expect.>In the rarest of twists, the Mujaheddin and America end up on the same side due to Uyghurs>In the right circumstances, Russia will dog-pile on as well for further influence in central asia.In short China will not attack Taiwan in the near future because they know all of this.
>>42031402airbus executes:"Hmm, what to do? Salvage the 30 Billion dollar contract or drop American suppliers?""Of course we choose to discontinue our business in China because freedom and that we enjoy getting dicked by American rigging contracts for Boeing"Imagine being this delusional like this>>42033951How the invasion will go hmm?Like in Total war or some grand strategy game bs where you just declare war and attack immediately then the US would "have to" intervene immediately and China would "have to" preemptively attack Japan.What will happen is the Chinese will call the Japanese and Korean to tell them that they will attack Taiwan in 3 months because Tsai and/or the US have done something stupid to provoke them, and that they have 3 months to tell the US to fuck off their bases. And the Japanese and Korean will agree.>us resurgent shipbuilding capacitybruh, the Chinese isn't even trying to build up their shit nor is in any hurry to do so. Pic related is peace time surplus shipbuilding in one single shipyard.They ain't gonna attack Taiwan unless blatantly provoked in which case your "allies" will not lift a finger because they are not stupid.And if they decide to attack just because they will win by sheer power, then well, they will win.
>>42034364>China won’t attack Taiwan First>has literally been the goal of the PRC since it’s founding Imagine this delusion
>>420343645/10 for making me reply for so long. You got me.
@42034364do these people get paid for this
>>42034364losing US support leaves Japan and Korea very open to future aggression from China. And seriously, 3 months? The only way to kick out America that quickly would be by military force and both Japan and Korea are not doing that.
>>42034390>the PRC>is communist>>42034398I hope you find comfort in your freedom and democracy.kek
>>42034419Where are you from?
>>42034390See>>42034291They definitely wanted to but now realize they can't. At least for a couple decades.
>>42034291>indiathe loo is that way
>>42034471A) I'm not a dirty street shitterB) You're dumtarded if you don't think India is salivating at the chance to muscle in on a 'significant power' to prove themselves on the world stage without risk of getting smacked down.Their inability to overpower the significantly smaller and weaker Pakis has left them with a Napoleon complex.
>>42018383>>Washington has okayed the sale of $2.2 billion in weaponsthey'll get there either way and you buttblasted chinks will rage quietly
>>42019236It was clearly a joke, you dumb bitch.
>>42034584>rage quietlyIf they were raging quietly, they wouldn't be seething on the world stage like this.
>>42021627Yeah and we have India now, no one gives a fuck about China. Vietnam is a better US ally than Chinese ally now due to the fact the greedy bugmen backstabbed then after the war and have violated their territorial sovereignty in their coastal regions.
The PRC should just invade annex taiwan, everyone knows america couldn't stop them.
>>42017726>nothin personnel, kiddo
FUCK YOU CHINKS SANCTION LOCKMART NEXT TIME
>>42027480TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN
>>42027655>Some chinese company is making PCBs for UK F-35s.>>42028235It's a British company that is technically majority shareholder owned by a Chinese investment firm and the boards they make aren't actually completed circuit boards just the blank PCB with nothing on them. We already have two backup production options available and we can claim national security and just take the fucking company if we want because the factory is in the UK not China